Talkin' Baseball (MLB Podcast) - 133 | Trevor Williams Breaks Down the Pirates-Reds Brawl

Episode Date: April 20, 2020

Pirates righty Trevor Williams sat down to talk about last year's brawl with the Reds, being traded by the Marlins, and much more. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Welcome to Talking Baseball. We have special guest Pirate Stud, Trevor Williams, joining us. Let's do it. What's going on, everybody? Welcome back to Talking Baseball. We hope you had a fantastic weekend. We hope you're excited for a new week of doing the same thing you did last week. Happy quarantine week number eight or six or whatever it is.

My name's John Boy. I have Trevor with me. I have Jake with me. BPD, producer BBD is in the home plate on the bottom of the screen. Podcast people don't know what that means. How's everyone doing? Doing great. Like you said, this is a groundhog day right now.

Although I will say this, I replace the grates on my grill. Oh, huge. Changed everything. So I made a nice. Try tip yesterday. Some ribs really. Don't sit there. Yeah.

We don't have that out here. Stupid. I've heard that. That's an interesting thing to me because it's such a great piece of meat. But yeah, it was really good. I reversed seared it. I did it over charcoal. Indirect heat, then reverse seared it and cast iron with some butter.

I can give you a try to a recipe. That's really good. It's a specific kind of beans. And you need to need the salsa. No, it's the best. I make it with pork coin. But it's a different. It's a marinated.

What's that? It's a marinated. No, no, it's not marinated. Oh, it's a rub. I put a dry, it's Katie's dad has a dry rub. He sends it to me. With beans?

Yeah, yeah, you put the tri-tip, and then you put the specific kind of beans that they're really hard to find out here on top. Then salsa. It's so good. Okay. That's because the tri-tip was, from Santa

where's Santa Maria Steinbeck Country you could really you could do it a bunch of different ways it's just a good but it's interesting that it's not it's really a West Coast thing

but it's like it's a popular West Coast thing there's like an every weekend barbecue you can't find it on the East Coast at all next next time we're out West you guys will have to have a try tip cook off done oh I can't I can't cook it I wouldn't

enter mine, I would enter Katie's dad's. I was just going to share Katie's recipe with Treff. I'm in for it. I mean, look, I like to cook a bunch of different stuff. So I'm in. Yeah. All right. Well, that's Treb's update. Jake, what's your update? Yeah. So, A, congrats on the grill stuff, Trevor. And if anyone's got a board moment on Instagram, Richard Hamilton, aka Rip Hamilton, Yukon, Detroit Pistons. Like, star NBA player for a while. He posted a picture of his grill. He's had it for 20 years and he's like, oh, it's got the best flavor in there.

I love that. And everyone, everyone is like, dude, rip, get a new grill. So that's kind of, kind of worth looking at. And yeah, I'm proud to say I'm happy that there's no baseball right now, because I am on the IL. Got a little bit of an upper back neck situation going on. So this is good. I'm hoping to be fully rehabbed by June 15th when the season will start. Or was that announce? No, it wasn't announced. Oh, okay. Never mind.

You lost Trev with all your jokes. Just going blind optimism. Just going blind optimism. Okay. I'm sticking to July, early July. I think it's going to be right. I think we're going to get baseball. My optimism level has risen.

So your graph is now going back up. Yeah, I think that, as you're going to hear in this interview, Mr. Williams, T. Will, points out something that's kind of obvious but true. It's still early April or middle April. We have some time for all this to be figured out. And I think, I think that July 1st, July 7th, you know, something like that, I think he's going to work out. July 7th. I don't know. Whatever, you know, beginning of July. All right. We're looking forward. to it. I'm very excited about that.

I'll let you know when my optimism comes around. It may very soon. Where are you at with the percentage-wise season? The season happens? 50. Oh, 50. I don't know. I'm just saying that. I don't want to sound too pessimistic. That's as high as I'll allow myself to go. Jig? So I think there's probably two scales. I'm 75% we get some sort of baseball. I'm I'm probably 50% we get like a semi-legitimate real season. Yeah, I think that's kind of where I'm at. Do I'm going to blow you guys out of the water right now?

Just really blow your minds. I'm going 90% that there's going to be a season. And yeah, it's not going to be 162. Trevor, you heard about like 10% two weeks ago. What's going on here? I have since flows. I have feels. I have feldies.

I have all these things going. I'm 90% sure we're going to get some sort of a season. All right. That's great. It's going to be 162, but we're going to get it. We just wrapped up an interview with Trevor Williams of the pirates doing a lot of fun on their social media. Had a huge 2018. We talked about that.

We talked about his involvement with the Reds brawl. Talked about a lot of fun things. He was great. Yeah, he's a good time. He got in on that brawl, which is going to be really cool for all the people to see. Oh, yeah. Yep. All right.

Jake, choose a color. And that will be our intro. segue sound bite. I will have Trevor guess my favorite color. Orange. That's wrong.

So do I hit orange or do I hit Jake's favorite color which is green? I love green. That's my favorite color. They're laughing at you, Jake. Not me. We are joined by

and we are now officially a dad's name Trevor Pod. Trevor Williams of the Pittsburgh Pirates. Trevor, how you doing, man? I'm good. Thanks for

including me in the dad's name Trevor Pod. I appreciate that. It's huge. It's a big step for us. Yeah, I think it's pretty niche, but we'll make it work. You got to go to what you know. Yeah. Stay in your land.

I wanted to introduce you as host of Trevor talking topics on Thursdays. Trevor talks topics. We're kind of, I don't really know what it is. I don't know if it's Trevor talks topics on Thursday or Trevor's thinking about talking topics on Thursday. just rolling with it. We're losing our mind in quarantine and we're trying to be as creative as possible and figure stuff out. So we've had we've had fun with it. We're like we're shooting it in between nap times in the morning. So we really have like 40 minutes of like you need to do this in one take or it's we can't do it this week. So we're we're grinding that way. The pirates have been

crushing. I was going through their feet. I was searching for your videos. And then I was like, damn, they're doing a lot of stuff. They're doing throwbacks. They're being as active as possible. Did they come to you? Uh, kind of. So we, we started doing like an Instagram live once a week with players. And then I just said, look, if you give me time to prepare, I'll do do a topic a week and we'll have the fans about on what they want to talk about. And the first week we kind of screwed up because we were going to include like a bogus, a bogus one. We had like three real ones and then a bogus one. Then of course, the bogus one won. And I'm like, gosh, dang it. So now I have to really do research. I have to like crack into the books and like look at the Wikipedia really was most of it. But, um, yeah, wait, hold on. Hold on. Hold on. For those that don't know, it was 1900s U.S. foreign policy. Yeah, 19th century. 19th century. 19th century.

1800. But you, then you showed off you were a history major. I was a history major. So I was listening to it and I was like, did he actually do all this research? Because a lot of it was Wikipedia. Okay. I was like, it would be funny. If you were like, you know, pirates, send me this stuff.

Yeah, no, we did a lot of, it was a lot of Wikipedia. But you just have the, it's 100 years, right, of history. See, in a five minute video. and I'm not going to do a 30-minute video because I really don't think Jensers want to listen to that. Basically covering Western expansion, which is my favorite topic in U.S. history. So I was all for it.

Oh, good. Thanks for voting for it then. I think your tweet cracked me up. You're like, please don't make me talk about Farns. I'll talk about it. And then the joke was on everyone saying, like, look, I have somewhat of a background in this. Mine is more like postmodern U.S. American history,

so like World War II and up. So I, you know, I have a semester of Western expansion. Could you turn it into like a TikTok dance or something like that? Because I think that's what you have to do now. I'm refusing to download TikTok, reference TikTok, because I ride or die with Vine. Okay. I think they ripped off, they ripped off Vine and I'm not giving them any of my time. I'm not giving TikTok any of my time.

Do it for the Vine. It's like a five-year shelf life that our age will know and no one else will. Is Vine not a thing? No, they shut it down. Once Instagram started doing videos, I think that was the death of vine. And because Vine was perfect for like, like you said, like five years, it was perfect. It was the perfect social media and then all of a sudden, they canned it.

So did. Did you have a vine back in the day? Yeah, I did. And I've been trying to find all my vines because I thought I had a few good ones. It was from, it was from college. I thought I had a few good ones. But for whatever, I don't know, sometimes a website works. Sometimes it doesn't.

I can't imagine they're still paying for that domain name or all that. Because Myspace shut everything down. Like music's gone that people had like photos aren't popping up on people's profile. So like they're not paying rent anymore. So I tried to find my old Myspace recently. And then I was so happy I couldn't. I was like, please don't let me find this. I don't want to find it.

Couldn't. So it was good. The next video you did on Trevor Talks topics on Thursdays at Pirates, Twitter and Instagram, shout them out was, walk-up songs for Mario Party, right? Is that what it was? Mario Kart characters, yeah. Okay.

So our thought was... That was much better. That was much more fun. And I think people could relate to it more. I think people, especially guys that have played Mario Kart, I think, I didn't go too controversial with some walkout songs.

But I thought, I thought I encapsulated their personalities pretty well. I liked it. I saw that video and I thought it was hilarious. It was good. Yeah. Thank you. And then you had trouble with Yoshi. Jake, he had trouble with Yoshi. And he called up our dude, Cole Tucker and a bunch of other people for walk-up songs. I hate Cole Tucker. God, I hate Cole Tucker.

He's gorgeous, huh? He's too gorgeous. He's like the nicest. He's great. He's great. We, we bumped into him at spring training. And we, uh, Roosevelt's, they make like the spunky baseball shirts for, right. And we were like standing around and Cole Tucker was like, hey, can I get one of those shirts? And we were like, yeah, we had a backpack full of them. We were trying to give him out and we didn't know how to do it in a cool way. And he was like, yo, give me one. So we are Cole Tucker fans.

What did our Cole Tucker sign say? I'm blanking. Cole Tucker said hi to us. He was nice. Yeah, he was some sign. He was a very nice guy. It's kind of annoying how nice he is. And I think he like, he knows every fan in the stadium.

All the fans know him. He knows, not only does he know stuff about every fan of the city, he knows, like, something about them. Like, talk tells them by name and asks, like, how's your dog Skippy doing? And it's like, cool, how do you know that, dude? Yeah, so he's super sweet. He's, like, fourth on our list of babysitters in me because he lives down the street for me. And he's like, he's like, dude, I promise you, like, I will come a babysit if you can't find a guy.

And it's like, I'm, we'll keep, we'll keep that up, uh, keep that as an option. Good to know. Yeah. Yeah, we came this, we came to spring and we, we accidentally went, into the clubhouse. And we thought we had passes, media passes. Turns out, we did it. So we just literally walked into the clubhouse when we shouldn't have.

And I don't know how we didn't connect right there, man. When were you guys there? First week of games. Yeah, we talked to Paul. Early March. Archer stopped for a little bit. We talked to him a little bit. But we were in the clubhouse and all of a sudden the PR guys like, hey, yeah, by the way,

you got it like you're not supposed to be in here well but that's i mean that's that's that's a testament to i've always believed security is they're strong in certain areas especially at big league stadiums but if you act like you you know where you're going and you just give the peace sign it's like you're walking with a mission you can sneak into anywhere well do you guys remember yeah if you guys remember we were walking and we had like passes and whatever to get in media passes but the cops that were like at oh yeah parking oh They freaked out when we freaked out on us. They were like about to pull a gun on us.

Yeah. Yeah. They do it to us too. And it's like every day you say, you say hi by name. Like George, like let me through, dude.

And a lot of them will walk in front of your car and then barely leave you enough space to go by them. And it's like, can you just give me like an extra 10 feet? Because I don't want to roll your foot over. But another hardcore, they take their job serious, which is better than taking it not serious.

Yeah, I've always thought, especially with security. It was wild. We were dressed in the silly rose. So when we were like, no, we're credentialed media. He was like, no, you're fucking hot. I know what those guys look like.

They're old and miserable. You're not. I think they thought me and plough for ex players and Jimmy was media. But what, um, how was your spring training going? Were you, I mean, you're, you've been in the league for a couple years now. Was it, um, are you working on stuff? Was it just, you know, getting healthy and getting your body ready or, or what was spring training for you at this this point in your career yeah so uh last year we had we did a little something

different where we weren't we weren't we weren't going to pitching games until we had our like third or fourth inning so we were taking a couple couple couple of our first outings on the backfield to work on stuff um at the time it sounded great but once you get those like three inning ups your body like for those first game reps like your body gets crushed and you're like there's a point as a starter where you wake up after a start in spring training, you're like, I'm not going to be ready in five days, but I have to continue this because the progression is getting me ready for whatever, start three, start four, start five. And so this year, with new coaching staff, we said, like, look, we tried this last year,

and it was good in some areas, but I think we should start throwing one up or one inning outings in actual games and then go to two innings and three and progress normally how it should. So it was good. You were working on stuff. And it's something that we talk about as players all the time, especially in. spring training. I saw for three or four games in a row, a starter is going out for four innings, and he gets ran out in the second inning. It's like, it's spring training. Everyone's getting ready for their season. Let's just roll innings, okay? It does nobody any good for your starter that

you're getting ready for the season to be out after 60 pitches in the second inning. Like, let's just say roll it, we're good. So it was that point of spring training where I was getting my, I had a five inning start the next day or the day after everything got shut down. So I was, I was getting built up, I was ready to go full go, and getting ready to get the pitch count up, and then they shut everything down. But body was feeling good. Stuff was spinning good. And it's always the spin command of what comes last. So you go fastball. First outing is fastball to the white part. Second outing is fastball to the black part. And then the third outing, you know, spin to the white part. And then the last side of the spin to the black part and go from there. So we're, yeah,

we're full. Yeah, because if you can't throw your fastball over the plate, you're not going to, nothing else is going to come. You're not going to get your slider right. If you're fastball, you can't locate your fastball. So it was going good. We were just, we were ready to get going. And at that point of spring training, too, is the 25 guys start getting, it starts getting down to 25 guys.

So you start going to go from 80 people, it seems to, it was getting smaller and smaller and smaller. And guys were looking forward to, to be with those 25 guys. Were there any, like, real battles in spring training? because I'm on record as saying I don't believe there's such a thing as a spring training battle because if you're a sophisticated front office and you're going to rely on a small sample size like spring training where the baseball means nothing, then I don't think that's like a smart decision. So I'm on record of saying they don't exist.

But do you think there were? I mean, did you guys have something that was like a semblance of it? It is funny that you say that because in the minor leagues everyone has their exit meeting, right? And it's like, well, where am I going to be next year? Well, you'll battle it out in spring training to see if you go to double a triple A. Like, no, you know as soon as the season's over where I'm going to be next year, right? Like that's the same with the big leagues. You know, there's like maybe some relieving spots, you know, like a bullpen spots.

But those guys, there's three or four spots in the bullpen where you're just going to be right in the bus going back and forth between AAA all year. So, you know, did you make the team as the opening day guy or not? But I think a lot of that will depend on the first schedule, first week of games. Like this guy match up with these two teams. And if he does, we'll keep him. And then after that. AAA, this guy, you know. Right. And that's what was cool about adding a 26 guy this year because now

teams can be more creative and maybe some teams will have that revolving door more now with 26 guys. Who knows now? We might have 35 guys to start the season for the first. We'll see what happens. We've got to figure that out. But as far as Camp Battles go, I think there was one for the last starter spot. I think you could tell who was going to get it. and we were waiting on health from other guys. And then Coltuck was fighting for a bench spot too, because he was a lefty bat off our bench and kind of that fourth infielder guy.

But he's also young enough where they want him to get full-eyed bats to AAA. But I've been a big believer, the best developer is at the big league level. Like you're not going to get any more reps out. Even if you're getting reps once a week, the best way to develop is at the big league level and the fail at the big league level.

Because you can dominate AAA and great, what are you doing? You're not getting ready for the big leagues. So he was in a tough spot and he got, he was in a tough spot too when they started making all the cuts after we got shut down and it was like, that sucks. He has our vote for the to make the team. Like if our opinion matters, like talking baseball, which it probably should. Yeah, Cole, you're in.

Yeah. Yeah, I want him back there too. He played he played a game last year with like a dislocated kneecap. Did he get optioned? He got optioned at the end of school. spring. Well, he got option once we were sent home and then they had to cut off of like, okay, your roster needs to be set today. And he was part of the group that got optioned while we were at home. But he played a game last year. He like dove for a ball, heard his kneecap,

didn't know how bad he heard his kneecap. This was in September. And then played the next day behind me at shortstop, made like sick plays and then come to find out the next day he dislocated his kneecap. So he's out there at shortstop, dive and jump in with a dislocated kneecap. And it's like, cool, tuck. Like, it's not your ERA. Like, I get that. You're like, you're playing awesome. But like, you got to dislocated kneecap, dude.

I need, I need those ground balls to be caught. But, uh, but he ended up balling out. And, you know, he's, he's a joy to watch on the baseball field. And he's the happiest man on the field, I think. Yeah, big old smile. He, uh, I mean, yeah, you said he was nice to everyone we saw. He, he said hi to us. We were standing around scared to say hi to people.

And he was like, what are you guys doing? But it's crazy. We talked to some guys on the Yankees about what the process was like when they canceled spring and then go home. So like for the Yankees, the players voted like, we're going to stay in camp and hang out to the end. And then Cashman came in and was like, hey, wherever you go, make sure you're comfortable there because it's going to be a long time. And then they were like, oh, shit, okay. So what was the moment in Pirates camp? Like who, what was that like that scurry between the players or the management and the coaches where you guys realized like,

all right, I'm going home. It was, there were like five days where, like, it was changing every hour. Like, what's going on? And then there were a lot of fake tweets going out, too, that like, what's going on, what's really going on, who's saying they're right? And at the end of the day, no one knew what was going on. Still no one knows what's going on. But it was the first day we were all together and said, look, the team's going to charter

up a flight to Pittsburgh. Okay. If we're chart, if the team's charging a flight up to Pittsburgh and everyone's paying rent in Pittsburgh, let's just train at PNC Park. We have a wait room. We've got mounds. We've got a cage. We've got pitching machines.

Then that sounded great. And then the next day it was like, well, it might be four weeks. Be where you're comfortable. Like, be where your family is. And this time, we're deciding, okay, well, should we stay in Florida? And I hate Florida. I can't stand being in Florida longer than I have to be there. Like, even for spring training, I have a tough time showing up like a week before you're supposed to just to get acclimated.

But I just, I couldn't stand. So, like, the thought of me staying in Florida for an extra like four to five weeks. I couldn't stand it. But that's what we were deciding to do because it's like, well, if they're going to keep, if they're going to keep Lecom open, we have mounds, we have technology here. We've got catchers. You've got live A-Bs off big leaguers if you want to do that. And then the next day, everyone started leaving. And then that's when they came in and was like, guys, we don't know when it's going to start up again. We're getting word from up top that they don't know when it's going to start again. Just be comfortable wherever you want to be. And that's

when we decided, like, let's all just go home. The guys that were finishing up their rehab state in Florida, and I think there's some guys still there now. But that was really, that was it for us. And it's been the right, it's been the right call. Our new pitching coach lives in Phoenix. So I've been really lucky to throw with him. So I'm throwing twice a week.

I'm throwing like a simulated game, like a three, two inning, three inning game once a week with like a short side in between there. Last thing I want to do is start the season and have, like 100 innings under my bill. I think that's just that's stupid. That's not smart, especially if we're playing into November, possibly December. It just doesn't make sense. So I'm able to throw with him. There's a few other guys here that we're thrown with. It's been fine. I'm grinding in the backyard with, you know, band workouts and kettlebells. And I'm so lame when it comes to working out. Like I love working out, but I need direction. I need someone to tell me this is what you're doing.

and I'm tired of doing banded lunges and banded like it's just it's driving me nuts but um like we just got an exercise bike today because like I'm not a runner and I can't like motivate myself to go run outside so like I got an exercise bike to do that and get at least some cardio and so but you know you're adapting your adjusting you're figuring it out but I think it was the right call for everyone to go home and be comfortable especially for my family I mean they want to sleep in their own bed and they don't like Florida as much as I do nobody does I mean especially now after seeing even the beaches are somehow open again in Florida. Yeah.

I don't know how that happened. They had their biggest single day spike after that. I think everybody is just, you know, Florida, get out of here. Sorry, sorry to our listeners in Florida. I share your opinion of Florida. Well, there are some nice places. My first spring truanianian was in Jupiter, West Palm Beach, because I came up with the Marlins. And that's the Scottsdale, Florida.

That's unbelievable, right? I'll be in Jupiter for years. but I mean the Gulf side is isn't my favorite. Do you like Jacksonville? I was going to say you spent a lot of. Jacksonville, I love Jacksonville. So I spent a season there. And it's sneaky one of my favorite cities.

Okay. Because it doesn't feel like Florida, really. I mean, Jacksonville Beach does, but it's a cool city. There's a lot of cool places to eat. It felt like a metropolitan area. And we were such a bad team, but we were pulling like 10,000 fans at night. It was amazing. Okay.

What, can I ask about the trade from the Marlins to Pittsburgh? Yeah. Because, I mean, I'm interested to see how you viewed it. And because, you know, you hear, we've talked to a lot of players that get a little bitter or angry. Seems like you hated Florida. But also the trade itself, like when you look at just who, what players went back and forth, it's one of the more lopsided trades going. But there's, so at what point did you ever like, wait, who was I traded for?

Did you ever look at the other name and do that math? Or what was your whole mindset? Because if anyone doesn't know, you were, you were traded as part of a compensation for the Marlins poaching a pitching coach. So you're really traded for a pitching coach instead of the player. Right. Yeah. On paper, it was for Richard Mitchell, who had like seven innings in the Dominican Summer League.

So, I mean, for peripherals, like, it looks like I was an asshole. Like, it looked like, why are they? trading away this guy. Like he's got to be a prick. He's got to be like he's got there's something wrong with him. He's not progressing as fast as you should, which I thought was funny. I mean, I was a college arm drafted pretty high and I thought I was moving through the system pretty fast.

Yeah, I think you were ranked sixth in the Maya and Marlin system at the time. Like you were high up too. Well, which is hilarious because it showed the Marlins, minor leagues at the time versus where the pirates were at. when I got traded. I don't even think I was in the top 30 with the pirates because they had so they had so many dudes compared to the marlins but it was it was strange um I got traded so like my son my son was born on October 2nd and I lied to the marlins I said that his due date was really like the 10th um October 10th just because I was supposed to be going to the Arizona Fall League and I wanted

to avoid that as much as possible so I lied and said like his due date is the 10th so I get a little extra time at home with them and moving out of moving out of Florida. And so he's born on the second. We end up leaving to go to the fall league on like October 18th or something, right? So I'm playing games as a Marlin as a Mesa Solar Sock. And the pitching coach for them was was my pitching coach during the season with the Marlins. So one day he comes up to me. He's like, like they asked you not to throw anymore. Like they asked you like stop throwing bullpen, stop everything. And this is this is right when they got the new pitching coach or the new pitching

coordinator and then also the new farm director. So I'm pissed because I'm like, do you just made me move my entire family from Florida to Arizona. I have a two week old newborn. This is the, this is the Arizona get hurt league, right? Everyone gets hurt here. Like I'm going to get hurt either the next season in spring training or I'm going to get hurt here.

And I was pissed and I'm like ready to come on the phone with my agent. ready to blow up the this these new guys like like look you either send me home or you compensate me for everything for all the travel that I've had to do because this has been insane you guys don't want me to throw as as one of your guys so this went on for a couple days and then I was on the phone my agent saying like what's the move here because like I'm I have to throw a long toss on like the back field away from everybody and I have to throw bullpens away from the pitching coach so he doesn't see me right and so I'm on the phone my agent and then I get a phone call as I'm on the phone with them from the farm director and I'm like all right let's see how this is

phone call calls, I'll call you up after. And then he apologized. He's like, I'm sorry, you've been in the dark, but like, they've been just going over medicals the last few days. You've been traded to the pirates. And I'm like, okay, well, that makes a lot more sense now. And I remember, I remember asking, well, who was it for? And he kind of just like shrugged it off. And he was like, it was just a minor, a minor league or it was a minor league trade. And I go, no name. Like you can't. Basically for me, right? Right. You can't give me, you can't give me a name or anything. So, and then it later came out, it started, you know, coming out that this is what it was really for and it was compensation. And it's wild what happened. So then I ended up moving. Then I had a sick

rental across the street from the Mesa field. So where the Cubs sat, I had a sick rental like I was walking there. And then I got traded to the Glendale team all the way across, which like in the grand scheme of things, it's better than getting traded from like New York to San Diego right during the season. I was just traded an hour away. So I had to, I didn't have a rental car. So like the pirates were awesome. They gave me a rental car for the for the fall league. So I was just making in that drive as a, thankfully I got a pirate uniform for the first week. I was in a Marlin uniform, but I didn't pitch.

I was just getting back into it. But yeah, it was strange, strange, strange time. And, you know, hindsight is always 20-20. And, you know, would the Marlins redo that trade? I'm sure they've done a lot of trades in the past five years that I'm sure they want to take back, like a lot of teams, you know, like a lot of teams. They've done a lot. They've done a lot.

Yeah, it's funny. A lot, there's a lot of Marlins' exile. like Paddock is on there, Chris Paddock, Luis Castillo's on there. Andrew Hedi, Yelich. Yeah, I mean, Stan, I mean, I think they got a lot of, they got a lot of trades that, you know, for one way or another. JT. Real Muto? I mean, JT. Yeah, gosh, I forgot. There's a Marloni. D. Gordon. That lineup was crazy. They were really good. Marcello Zuna. I mean, they had a really good lineup. And it's, you know, it's not. A young guys in Miami, though. That's the, that's the problem. Yeah, I mean, but, you know, their ace died and that was a tragedy and that puts that puts that puts an organization back 10 plus years

when you have that type of talent be gone you know you built this team to be to build around him for the next 10 years and then he you know dies you have to you have to punt and I think that's what you know jeter and those guys saw they're like this is we're going to try and redo this in 10 years unfortunately yeah that was that was tough yeah yeah the most of that's sorry It really was franchise altering. Without a doubt, he was the best pitcher in baseball. Without a doubt, and he was well on his way to become a perennial, All-Star perennial, Syung finalist.

And when you have a guy like that, gone, I mean, they were building around him, too, the pieces that they had when I was there was Henderson Alvarez was dominating over there. They just signed Chen, who was coming off a great year. Who else was over there? His numbers are crazy. Like I haven't looked at his... No, sorry, Fernandez.

Yeah, oh yeah. 76 career games, 258 ERA. Wow, I didn't know. That's hard to do in a video game. I've tried it. He was so good and, you know, it's unfortunate. You know, will we ever see an arm like that again? I don't know, but it's a tragedy.

Especially the Marlins, too, because they, it's not like you can, you know, they operate small budget for whatever reasons they do. And it's not like, okay, let's let's go and try to replace him with a big free agent pitcher and then go from there. It kind of, like you said, it kind of set this domino effect. It's kind of wild when you look back. It's a big kind of sliding doors moment. I want to talk a little bit about you, Trevor, if that's okay. And normally, normally when I say that, yeah, yeah, well, no, normally when I say that it's,

making me talk about him, but I'm sick of that. In 2018, you full out shoved. 31 starts a 3-1-1-E-R-A, no matter how you slice that up. I mean, that's an awesome year. And this is something that I want to spin into a recent talking baseball episode we did with Dr. Meredith Wills, who's on a hunt for the baseballs. But I was going through some of your numbers and it seems like your your splits lean fly ball a little bit when you got to spring training this year did the first thing you did was check the balls because i'm just just looking at some of the numbers and i i can't watch every pirate start but i'm guessing you're someone who got kind of screwed by the turbo ball last year i mean your home runs per nine one up they doubled

yeah there's there's a lot okay there's you know you know you don't have to be humble here Maybe. Yeah. Balls maybe, balls maybe, but there were also, so I was, I was pitching really well last year until I got hurt. And it was the first time I got hurt in my career. I, you know, swinging like an idiot hard. And I felt something going my oblique or my side.

And I was like, okay, that didn't feel right. Pitched for another two innings. And then finally, like I pulled down hard on a slider and felt it, felt it go. And I had, I think I had Will Meyer, like, oh two or one two. I'm like, you know, I could go one more pitch and see how we're feeling. through a ball ball, like way ball, and thankfully swung through it. Strike three, and I was kind of like, I could push it, but let's not. So it was the first time I got hurt in my career.

And it was a point where we were skidding at the time. And I was rushing as fat because I felt like, Poof, I don't know if you've ever been hurt, but like it's something that I felt so worthless on the bench. I felt like I was adding nothing. I was like, I was going and getting my rehab done and I was done with my day. And like, well, what do I do now? I'm not going to watch a video of myself throwing.

all day. Like just to keep, keep the images in my brain of like what my body's supposed to be looking like and how my arm's supposed to be. But I just felt, I felt worthless. And I kept trying to get out there as fast as possible. So during the rehab process, it was during the rehab process, I was so focused on, does my side feel good? And does my arm feel good? And that's, and that's all that I cared about. So I started creating really bad habits with my delivery, unintentionally, but that led to, after I got hurt, that led to a lot of big misses that I should have, that I should have noticed, like, why am I having these big misses over the plate when my bread and butter is this pitch into this pitch or this pitch into this pitch? And I just, I couldn't execute

that as much as I could. And I thought it was just rust. But so those big misses coming back after my injury, you know, that I had a lot of homers. I had a lot of homers given up on some, some big messes. I also gave up a homer that was 90 degrees or 90 miles an hour off the bat, which was pretty lame. So there's not good. Where was that? Chicago. When wasn't blowing. It wasn't a blowing wind Chicago day. It was a it was a day game in Chicago. It was a, I went to go back up home because I thought it was a sack fly off the bat. And so I'm standing behind the catcher. I'm like, you've got to be. So there's a couple. I mean, there's a couple, but we're just going to say it for you the balls were juice last year meredith proved it there's a

yeah it's an insane thing and and and i will say this because you know MLB didn't mean to do it they were just negligent so i mean it's not an excuse for them but they also weren't like these evil geniuses like you know putting steroids in the balls it was like just negligence and a shift in how they were producing the balls right there's there's some good conspiracies I thought it was hilarious in the playoffs, seeing everybody sprint backwards and then sprint three more steps forward. I thought that was pretty hilarious. We covered that yesterday, too, a couple days ago, too. I thought that was funny.

And we thought it would be really hilarious this year when all of a sudden the league leader in homers, it's 30 homers. You know, like this goes the opposite direction. So I think, you know, this is entirely conspiratorial, but was their intention to increase offense? Sure. you know, who doesn't want to watch a lot of offense? Did they think it was going to spike this much, you know, with the introduction of like the launch angle and guys swinging out of their ass at every pitch? You know, sure.

If they were to make the balls harder and didn't mandate that all the nets go all the way around the stadium, then you're liable for somebody's death. If you knew that happened, if you knew you made the balls harder and you didn't protect your fans, that's, this is entirely conspiratorial. However, however, however, but if they knew it, about it and we find out they did know about it, they didn't make them harder and somebody died, who's that fault? You know, like, that's, that's just insane to not put up nuts everywhere. But, and we wouldn't care if someone told us, you know, we made the ball started. We wouldn't

care. We would just know how to pitch a little differently. And I think some guys started pitching a little differently, but when it became a mystery and guys were just shaking their heads at like homers that shouldn't have gone out. And it's, it's the three-run homers that are tough, you know, you could, you could get, it's the solo homers that are fine. But if it's, And it's fun, it's like spring training homers too, which is, it's going to be funny if we do end up playing all word games in Arizona because it's just going to be a home run derby. But the spring training homers, the spring training homers are a joke sometimes because there's no grandstands knocking the wind down. But like, if you're, if I'm in the sixth inning and I got runners of the corners of the corners with two outs. And I execute a pitch to get guy on his front foot to hit a pop up or a fly ball.

And that ball goes over the fence. And all of a sudden it's a three-o ball game to three-three. like that's that that changes your your win loss record it changes your a year a change your season potentially if you give up a three on homer or that goes from giving up a three spot getting out of getting out of the six with the quality start to going five and two-thirds with six runs you know what I mean and that's and that's on executed pitches you know that's not on it's not on huge misses so there's and there's sometimes last year in certain starts where you execute a pitch and you know hitters are really good there's no doubt about that but

there's there's also a little bit of it didn't sound great off the bat and that shouldn't have gone that far. There's some opo shots that still pissed me off. It's like crazy just down the corner. It's like that. That wasn't even a good swing. But whatever. Hopefully we asked,

well, we asked Jack Fired if they felt different in spring and he gave a very quick yes. Yes. Yeah. They're going to experiment. They'll figure it out, but. So you said you injured yourself swinging? Yeah.

Yeah. Does your coach pull you a side? I didn't be like, hey, man. Well, it was, it was one of those, it was one of those things where, what were you doing? Well, I was due up first and, uh, or I was due up second. So, and I had a long inning and I came in to talk with my catcher. And then I went back out there and didn't like, didn't go through my normal like, you know, stretches and kind of just.

And I, and I don't take pride of my hitting at all. I don't. I'm not like, I'm not taking BP every day. Like I take pride of my bunting. And if I put contact, great. But like, I was at home in front of my home, man, front of my home. in front of my home crowd or my hometown crowd. So we were in San Diego and I was like,

you know what? If I hit my first homer in San Diego, that would be freaking awesome. But like I'm never gonna hit a homer, okay? Like I know I'm not gonna hit a homer. Yeah. But it was one of those where like, it happens in a split second,

but you saw the pitch and you're like, that looks good. And then you like everything comes out this way and then you swing and you go like, it didn't feel like I heard it right then, but I just felt like a jolt. Like it was kind of like, oh, I don't know, I shouldn't have swung that hard without warming up.

And then as I continue to pitch and then, you know, I hurt myself on a pitch when it was isolated, but it was, I think it started from the swing. I've done the oblique. I've done both sides. It's horrible. But like you're saying, like, you'll, you know you did something. And to me, it felt like a little bruise in there.

But, you know, you play through it. You don't want to go on the IL, whatever it's called. And then you have that moment, you know, and it comes out of nowhere and it just, boom, just feels like someone stabs you. It was painful. And then you know it's like this is not going to be good. So it's the oblique is one of those things. I'm sure everyone's told you this. You just got to take your time with it.

And it's impossible too. When you, like you were talking about like you go on the injured list and you do, you feel worthless. And I'm like a cheery guy. Like I loved what I did and all that. But once you get there, you do lose your sense of worth. Even though you're still part of the team, you're only gone for two weeks.

It's like this weird mental thing that goes on. So you are itching to get. back but when you have an injury like that it's like that's the dumbest thing you can do you should be taking extra time to get with it but you mentally you're just you know whatever whether it's the competitiveness in you or whatever it is but it's it's tough man yeah and you just you just you see a team that you're on and you just want to help as much as possible and it's it doesn't make sense to the best way to help it's just get healthy you know it's like no like I can get out there now and I can help the team win now but but it's a good let's a good learning thing what happened like I hope

to never get injured again, right? But I know now what to do and what to look for my body. If this happens again, we have to get everything right. Do you just stay chasing the home run? Did you me to come out to Phoenix and help you out a little bit?

I never claimed to be the best hitter. I dropped the bat size last year. I was swinging a 34, and I'm like, I'm not on swing of 34. So now I was using 33. But like I was using 34s to bunt better, right? And but like, you know, if you don't, I went a couple starts in a row

where I don't have to lay down a button, I'm swinging more. So it's like just, I'm not a slugger. Take your singles, Trev. Like, you're all good. Like, you don't take the defenses. I was going through your batting game log. You're the second pitcher we've talked to who has zero extra base hits, minor leagues or majors. Oh, even in the minor leagues.

I didn't know that, Jim. But you have an RBI walk to your name. I have a couple. Look at my OPS with the base is loaded. Okay. Okay. Yes. Yes. So what's that?

My first, my first start. Derek Gere. Yeah. So my, my first start last year, I was on pace to win the Silver Slugger and the Sayong in the same day, right? So I had my first, my first two A-Bs, I had a, I had three RBIs, I think, within my first two A-Bs of the year last year. And I'm like, this is, I got the silver slugger in the bag. And then Grinky, I think hit two homers the next day. I'm like, all got it.

I don't got it in the back. I don't even know they gave a silver slugger out to a pitch. They should not. That's ridiculous. This is the last year. This is the last year. Everyone was going to, everyone was going to, like, it was Silver Slugger or Bus this year because we know that the D.H is coming.

Listen to this. With two outs and the base is loaded. Trevor Williams has an OPS of 2.000. 0.00. On base percentage of 1,000 batting average, 1,000. Two hits, one wall. Wow. Three RBIs.

trick? Do you do you like crowd the plate a little more? Don't sway. Don't swing. For me, for me my, my hitting. So like I was a great high school hitter. Yeah, I hit high school hitting great or high school pitching great. But like I see you take a couple years off and then you see that first that first big league feeder. It's like, holy shit. This is, this is serious. And the bunting to bunting is the hardest, easiest thing to do. If you've never like bunted, it's like you just set your angle, you stick your nose in it and you just, you get it. down, but it's a hard, easy thing to do, right? So for hitting, it's the same thing. And, like,

I'm, I'm, I'm swinging or I'm not swinging every pitch. Like, I don't, I don't read and react. Like, I just say, like, okay, I'm picking this pitch and I'm swinging. But with the basis loaded, you kind of just, I know as a pitcher, especially if you go 1-0 with the bases loaded to the pitcher, it's like, you start pressing a little bit. Like, you start, like, I can't go two-0 to this guy. I can't go 3-0, and then you start kind of grooving it in there. But, but you also have to know who you're grouping it in there too. But it's, yeah, I don't know. I don't know how it's worked out that way.

But it just has my second AB in the big leagues was a basis-loaded walk. So I got my first RBI before I got my first hit. I think it took me like 27 ABs to get my first hit. I was looking at that. Do you think they'll put you in with basis loaded? Do you think they'll just pinch it? Like Sheltie's like, hey, let's go to you now. I don't know.

I don't know if Sheltie knows or he knows yet, but I was going to let him know. He knows that, you know, I'm a great bunner, but that's, that's it. I get it. So that's, yeah, I don't know. We, we joked about it a little bit last year at the end of the year. Like, if you guys need an RBI, I just, I'll stand in there. I'll have my helmet ready, my spikes on.

Like, we're good. I'll take the walk. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. If you see the analytics nerds, like hanging out somewhere, you should be like, hey, do you guys know who's the best bases loaded to out here on the team? Because I just, I just thought analytics were big now.

These are, this is an objective fact. okay i mean that's not this is analytics okay like this is no opinion and i bet they didn't see that coming either i bet that was in their scheme in their equation that i would be the best one i love i got i got to wait go ahead i forgot we had jameson tyone on the show he's a friend of the program um does he try to corner you into coffee or whiskey or golf or where are you guys at we're we're coffee and whiskey together i uh i wish i played more golf um i do i wish i played more but like for me, it's a long time on the links.

I'm not spending four hours, especially in spring training. I just stood in the sun for four hours. I'm not going to go and stand in the sun for another four hours for a game that I don't really love. And I also like hate, I would also hate leaving my family in the off season for four hours and be like, sorry, babe, like I'll be back whenever

and I'll probably get drinks after. So like, sorry, you're on your own. Yeah, no, he's, we go back and forth. We actually just put in an order of whiskey. There's a place in Phoenix that he'll, likes going to his, I think his sister-in-law lives out here. And they were having, like, a sale because, you know, Corona is affecting everybody.

And so, like, a lot of these bottles were at MSRP. So, like, he put in a big order for us. So, like, I show up. I say, hey, get double, whatever you get double it. Okay. And I was expecting to get, like, three or four bottles. I show up and there's 14 bottles. So we got seven each.

And I'm like, I can't send these to you in the mail. I can maybe send you one. So like when we start spring training 2.0, I'm going to have a suitcase of seven bottles of whiskey for them. So it was cool. It was a homie move. And I'm like, dude, like, they're good prices and they're MSRP. Like they're supposed to be 85 bucks and they're giving it to you for 20. Like, yeah, let's buy seven, dude.

So, so it's been good. Good. I've become a different person at night after we put the kids down. Everybody knows the audience knows after 10 p.m. Trev is, is gummy, Trev. I'm just, I go to the moon. I hang out there and get some solitude, baby. That is. We're in the same plan there, Treve.

Yeah. I ran out, but I got re-up by my California friends, so I appreciate that. Anyway, we'll change the subject off drugs and move on. I got to ask you about the brawl last year. Yeah. It's a must topic. I don't know if you want to talk about or not, but it was one of the more entertaining things that happened.

It was a good fight. Absolutely crazy. You pitched the series before and the series after. So what was your vantage point for all that? Like, where were you when the bra was actually happening with the Reds for anyone that doesn't know what I'm referencing? Were you in the dugout? Were you in the clubhouse? The big, like the big one.

Yeah. No, I was the guy who Amir went after. You were? I thought it was trick. You broke it down, didn't you? No, he was. Yeah. We can break it down together.

I watched your breakdown, and I was hoping you had field mics because then I could give you context of what was going on. Yeah, you couldn't hear anything. This stems from a huge, like, miscommunication on, on this. A, the umpires of the umpire, okay, uh, Larry Hanover, huge miscommunication error, okay. Number two. And unfortunately, like, okay, so that happened in June or July or August, whatever it was. And I still haven't had my appeal phone call with Mr. Tori. It's been a long, I haven't had it yet.

I was fined and then appealed and haven't had my sit down because I was ready to, I was ready to blow up. This is what happened. This is what happened. And your umpire did this. And this is because of your umpire, this is what happened. And this is what transpired. So context. So we were fighting with them all year.

And like, look, not a fighter. Okay. I haven't been in a fight in a long. time. I haven't thrown an angry punch in a long time, okay? Probably like 10 years. And we talk about, oh, how old are I? Since high school, okay? So it's been a long time. And for me, if it's not personal, there's no reason for me to put my career on the line to break my hand, throw out my shoulder. If I'm not personally involved, if you're not like mother FME or my family, like it doesn't matter. Okay. And it's not good. It's not good for the game, but, but whatever.

I mean, you have 30 alpha males out on the field, and something happens, and then it's the heat of the moment and something happens. So there was a lot of red lights ran at the start of the season, and it started with, you know, watching a homer. And like, I came up with Dietrich. I think he's great, dude. You know, I came up with them with the Marlins. But that's what it started with, and there was a lot of escalators on, like,

and there were multiple characters to this story from beginning to add. Who did he hit that off? Was it Archer? It was Arch. Yeah. So if it was me, right, and I'm just, I'm telling you how how I would operate. Look, if you want to watch your home are great. If that's what you want to do, if I'm on the mound, I'm hitting the next guy, right?

So if you're on deck, I'm hitting you and saying, I'm hit you because of your teammate. If you want to dish it out, dish out. Yeah, yeah, don't dish that with me. Because I'm sure there were guys in the dugout that were like, what are you doing, dude? You know, but I'm not going to, I'm not going to put words in their mouth. And I'm sure, you know, but that's how I would have dealt with it instead of waiting. one more going the lineup and then hitting him because everyone knew it was an off day for a lot of guys that first fight it was an off day for a lot of guys and then when he came up the second time there were a lot of guys on both sides at the top rail because everyone knew it was about to happen yeah that was an early fight it was like an april seventh brawl the first one yeah real early in the season to be brawling I tell people that all the time because bat flipping and you know kind of just showboating I guess is what you'd call it that's become the norm and I really don't have a problem with it,

but what I've told people all the time is I said, yeah, you know, you could want that in the game. But the problem is people are really competitive, and when they're on the field, they're going to be thinking about it differently from maybe when they're off the field. And the problem is the guy that's, the guys that are doing it,

they're not the ones that are going to get a hit. It's going to be the best player on your team. It's going to be possibly like you said, the guy right after. So you're, you showboating, doing that so you could post it on the gram or whatever to be, you know, look cool on TV, you're putting your teammates at risk. Right. And that's why I would hit the next guy. Because if, because if you really want to

cause a controversy, like you make it between two teammates instead of me wearing a different jersey, right? Like, look, the game's changing now. Like, personalities are rampant now. Like, there's the games getting younger and like, hey, I'm off for personality. Like, without a doubt, like, we need to brand our players and we need to brand baseball better. And if this is the way of the new generation, like, sure, let's roll with it. You know, not everybody's going to love it, but this is how it's, this is how it is. And if guys start doing that and their teammates getting hurt and it's going to take somebody saying, hey, I'm getting hit because of you.

Let's tone it down a little bit. Not me throwing out of a guy saying, like, don't do that because you may be mad. Sure. And guys, and I've never been a fan of throwing at guys. There's one guy I threw at one and I won't tell you who, but it's been, it's happened once. and and I just as soon as it left my hand I go oh shit that was too high like as soon as it left my hand but it wasn't it wasn't too high um but but it's not smart right like guys throw too damn hard now guys throw too hard like I'm not putting your career at risk because of because you

just show but like this to me it to me it doesn't make sense but um but anyway so that was the first fight right so there's a lot of context so there's a lot of red lights rant so the second one you're not in your jersey so that's probably why when I made it I didn't have your name at the point. Yeah. And he gets, so he gets your hat. So you're right in the thick of it.

Yeah. So, so what I, what I think happened. So what I, so a lot happened prior to that and you went over in your breakdown, right? Like he's coming in. He's hot,

right? He's looking. There's one thing he's wanting to do and it's fight. He didn't, he didn't care about pitching. No. No. Right.

And that's what we saw on the bench. Okay. What we saw on the bench, that's what we saw. And that was, to everybody on the field, they were like, this is not going to go good. Okay, this is not going to go. There's something bad is going to happen.

And again, there were a lot of red lights ran leading up to this. Okay. This wasn't, this wasn't just a random moment. A lot of red lights ran to get to this moment. So that happens. He goes to tag out somebody, and I think he was looking for the fight there because he kind of get like a push tag. And like Newman kind of was like, what are you doing?

Like, I'm just trying to run to first. So then he gets on and that's when they took him out. That's when they took him out. And then I was yelling at him. I was yelling at the umpire, Larry Hanover, the home plate umpire. I said, Larry, don't let him do anything stupid. Like, he wants to fight. Larry, don't let him do anything stupid.

As Larry's walking out, he points right at me, like right at me. And keep in mind, I'm on the far third base side dugout. Francisco Sorvelli is on the home plate side. So just keep that in mind for, for, for, later okay um here it's Larry Hanover Larry Hanover points right at me and says you're gone you're gone like toss tosses me okay so here we go well he looks at me so it's after so that's yeah and poor poor Jared like the nicest guy on planet earth like Jared's got to go ahead on right okay so here we go I'm yelling at Larry Larry don't let him do anything stupid the home

play down like the home plate up right there I'm yelling don't let him do anything stupid Before he gave him. No, no, no, this is, yeah, this is before. So this is when he's getting taken. Coupe. Yeah, yeah, me a lot of Coupe. Yeah, and like, RIPCoop, because like, he was part of this too, right? So like, and he's been awesome.

Like my interactions with Coup had been, like, amazing up until that point. He's a guy that I remember like an umpire name and face you remember, K. So everyone knows what's about to happen. This is, this is not, like, everyone knows what's happened. And that's another thing. It's hilarious. We got traded in the middle of it. That's, that's just the cherry on top.

Yeah, that's hilarious. And he's so. big oh my gosh yeah like the first the first fight we locked horns and like my fingers like broke i was terrified dude i was like holy shit right he's a big dude so um i know you were chirping here you must have been saying some stuff here gives up a base hit no like and that's i'm not not a chirper case so so so i mean i was yelling stuff prior to that right so he gets so the home run happens worse we're high for like here we go yeah so is that just pointed at you uh Is that when he's getting taken out?

He points right there. He's pointing at your dugout. Is he pointing at you there? He might be. Like, if this is him getting taken out. Yeah, it is. And so, like, we were pre-jointed some stuff. And like, Swartis, like, kind of looks in our dog and he's like, yo, chill.

Like, stop. Like, he's going to snap, like, yo. So we know it's, so this is what I'm yelling at. Larry, like, Larry, don't let him do anything stupid. And then as he's coming on, I think he tossed me like, right? But yeah, so he's over there. He tosses, points at me, and I'm under the impression that I'm thrown out of the game. Because my eight teammates next to me see him point right at me and say, you're gone.

So when I say that, I go, I go, F you, Larry, that's bullshit. You shouldn't, like, that's bull. So, so, but he's standing next to Amir, though. So what I think is Amir heard, F you, Amir, that's bullshit. So I go to turn, I go to turn to leave because I just got thrown out of the game. and then that's what happens. I go, holy shit. So, like, one camera angle looks like I die.

Okay. Like, so that's, yeah, that's me. That's correct. That's correct. And, like, okay, as a reminder, I haven't thrown a punch in a long time. I, like, I'm not wanting to fight. I didn't think he was going to actually do it.

Okay. And he did it. And there was a couple seconds where I go, like, oh, shit, he actually did it. Like, good for him. He actually, he actually did it. So, so, so. So he misses right there.

You wish you. My guardian, my guardian angel threw me down to the ground. It's like, what? So this all happens. And I go, wow. So,

and here's another thing. Like, guys only get maybe a couple opportunities if they do. Maybe even one opportunity to big leaves, like to show your toughness. Okay. Like, like Jose Batista,

man, great ball player, but like he will forever be remembered as getting rocked. Right. So like, no matter how tough he is, no matter if he can fight or whatnot. Like,

guys might not only, might only get one or two opportunities to show their toughness, right? So that's in the back of my mind, too, right? So, like, so that's what happens. A lot of punches get thrown, a lot of punches and minutes. And Amir's a big dude, too. He's got reach. He's got a hell of a reach.

And I didn't realize until that was going on. So you like that cop. Yeah, yeah. And he wants to get in there so bad. You know, he's just shaking. It's just SMDH. So, um, so that happens. We go to the ground.

I get hit on the ground, not by Amir by somebody. And I know who hit me. And, you know, it might not happen this year. It might not happen next year. But I know who hit me on the ground and the side of the head. I'm looking. I'm looking. But so that happens.

Look, it's not good, right? And in the grand scheme of things, it's not good. Okay. Like, this is not a good scrum. A lot of- Trampled. Yeah. No, that's a breakdown.

It was funny. I was hoping you would hear what was going on. So, okay, so this happens. Anyways, I'm out of it. of there as soon as I hit the ground and I get hit in the head and I got out of there. So I'm like, I'm not, this is, this is insane because you start. You back here? No, I'm, I'm gone.

Like, okay. I'm gone. I'm either like, I'm by the railing with somebody like I'm, I'm kind of gone. So. This is a long brawl. No, it is. Yeah, it is. And it was like a Wednesday night in Cincinnati with like nobody. So, so, so anyways, not a good look. And like a lot of red lights ran out. Like, this shouldn't have happened. right when you're when you're when you're when you're when you're when you're when you're thinking about it and it's like this shouldn't have happened right and like baseball is such a small community we're like look I know I'm not going to be a pirate my entire life I know I'm not and everyone is one text away from like getting traded and saying like what do you have on this guy like what like is this guy a good dude is he is he going to have your back is he awesome so like I never want to like vilify myself but that's just me personally because I know I'm going to have a lot of teammates from other teams right you're not going to like every teammate obviously but

But like if I'm on your team, or our same goal is the World Series. I don't want anything to hinder that relationship. So that happens in your, so you're thinking about like what, what happened to that we could have avoided this. But so the next day, I'm under the impression. I give, I give an interview after the game saying like, yeah, I was thrown out of the game.

But like that's what happened. I was tossed like three seconds before that all happened. I was on my way, leave. I made the turn. And then I saw him. point and yell and I go, that's directed at me. So then that's when I hop the fence, okay? So the next day, I go up before the game, I'm like, Larry, what the hell happened

last night? Like, why did you throw me out of the game? Why did you throw me out of the game for saying, Larry, don't let anything stupid happen. Don't let him do anything dumb because you didn't listen to me and something stupid and dumb happened. And he goes, what are you talking about? I didn't throw you out of the game. I'm like, what do you mean?

You pointed right at me. It's like, no, I threw Sorbelli out of the game. I go. Oh, no. And I'm like, we're on completely different sides of the dugout. My English is, his English is good, but my English is better than his. So like, you got to know this is coming from my mouth. And like, this could have all been avoided if you, like, didn't throw any of us out of the game.

Right. I wouldn't have, I wouldn't have yelled an F-bomb and I wouldn't have said that's bullshit. And there's probably, who knows, it wouldn't have been directed at me. You know what I mean? So, like, there's big miscommunication. And he's like, well, you were over the fence first. version. It was like, what was I supposed to do? Like, invite him into our dugout. Like, what do you want me to do?

Do you want me? Like, an old thing was a disaster. And it wasn't a good look. And, you know, it's unfortunate that it happened. But it just, it was wild. Well, you know, were you aware that the managers, like, that bad? Oh, they hated each other. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, yeah. But like, well, but, uh, well, you're aware that they, like, got into an altercation as well. Because I think it's, yeah, because that was, that was the crazy, like, one of the crazier part. just like the managers are sprinting at each other. That was nuts.

Yeah, it was a good scrum. Oh, yeah. Papa Bears trying to protect their cubs, man. You got to scrum it out too. Yeah, I mean. Did you guys have any contact like the next day? Like I'm sure there's guys that are, you know, friends. Yeah.

So like you said you knew Dietrich. Like did you guys talk about it or was just kind of like, no, there's a lot of blood there. That's not. Well, I wanted to clear up some things with, um, I played summer ball with a couple those guys. So I wanted to clear up some things and be like, look, this wasn't a team after. This was an individual did this and an individual did this. Like, this didn't come from the team. What happened did not come from the team. And I would just want you guys to know that this didn't

come from the team. And then just cleared up and be like, that was ugly. This is what happened. I hope it never happens again. And we'll see. We're going to keep a lookout on your hit batters next year. Look out. We're going to be a chart. I'm going to be smart with it. Like I said at the beginning, like I really don't like hitting guys. I just, I don't think there's, I don't think there's a reason to it.

I think, I think the way to get guys now is to pick off and hit them. Like that's, but that's the risk you take. Like, that's the risk you take. It's like, you're picking off and you're like, and you're throwing it into the ribs as they're sliding because like, they don't have, yeah, but you're taking the risk of like that's going to right field and, you know, but like I said, like I'm not, I don't head hunt. It's just not stupid. like a a a also for like 90 miles an hour case so it's not going to hurt right so like

it will hurt dude just hit it right that was a funny clip last year buzzer posey got hit with like a 60 mile per hour curveball and he got the first and he looked at the pitch he goes it still hurts yeah yeah it gets you in the right spot you're kind of just like oh man like that's how many how many times you've been hit as a hit zero I'm looking forward to my first hit batter. I'm looking forward to like... Pitchers, man. These pictures let each other off the hook so bad.

It's crazy. So I was bunting... That's what you should do. If you're mad at somebody or someone pimps it, hit the pitcher. Yeah, well, you have to, like... Can't do that, though. I'm not hitting the guy that's throwing 98. Like, no way.

So last year, I'm bunting against some top prospect against the Cubs. I think, like, Al-Mosea or whatever his name is. He threw a sinker between my legs, right? And I jump and free, like, jumped and freaked out. And then I thought about it. I was like, I've been looking forward to my first hit by pitch for so long. Like, wearing it off the shin would be totally fine right now. Like instead of instead of wearing it. Yeah. Calf or something. Yeah. No, but that's where you got to go for. Try to get hit in the butt. It's the best place to get hit. Everywhere else sucks,

man. I'm looking forward to it and I hope, you know, someday it happens, but hopefully not. We'll see it. You think new management and new pirates team, or is the Reds and the Reds and Pirates, if they were to meet up in April, would it still be? It'd be really funny in front of nobody in Glendale. I mean, look, I think everything's been exhausted. I think it would be really dumb to bring it back up again. I think that it's been exhausted. If it gets brought back again, if it gets brought back up again, it's an individual effort.

That's what I'm going to say. Nobody wants to fight. I mean, maybe like one or two guys. league wants to if everyone else is like what you said i'm not trying to risk my my bread right you know that's food on my family's plate i mean come on like i'm not i'm not breaking my hand over something stupid like that doesn't involve me but but you better get your ass in the scrum like don't be on the don't be out on the outskirts you better get in there if something goes down you got to get in so it's a catch-22 you don't want to do it but you better because there's cameras

everywhere and if you're just like the guy that's like like this on the outer edge like Yep. And you got John Boy, you got John Boy breaking it down too where you don't want to get exposed, right? So like the best thing that my 10-year-old coach, my 10-year travel coach ever taught me was if you were, and he was like a 15-year AAA guy, right? So he was like he was a grinder. The best thing that he taught me was if you ever get in a scrum in the big leagues, you have to find somebody that you know on the other team, grab their jersey and just starts talking to them. and be like, hey, I'm here, I'm here, we're hanging out, looking like we're doing something, but we're just, we're just going to stay here and we're just going to talk it out.

There was, last year, the A's and the Rangers got into something. It was Luriano, and, oh, dude, it was exactly that. I forget who it was, but they, they were just holding each other and, like, playing paddy cake with their hands on the outskirts. And I was, I was laughing because they were clearly just, like,

friends. and not. Elvis Andrews and someone. They're just touching each other and laughing. It's funny. Yeah. And 99% of baseball benches clearing. You're just,

you're out there and you're laughing. You're like, this was stupid. Like, let's just go back. This was so dumb. Cheater and A-Rod. Got in a lot of trouble for that.

Do you remember that, Trev? Your favorite cheater? Him and A-Rod just sat and talked on the side of when the Mariners and the Yankees were in a brawl and everyone gave both of them like a lot of shit. Well, I mean, I don't even. I already, you already know my feelings on these guys. Like, Gita doesn't need any love from me.

He's got love from everybody else. Let me be the Jeter guy that maybe doesn't, you know, I don't want to say what I was going to say, but, you know, you know how I feel about him. Let me straighten you guys out. Let me straighten you guys out. And while we've got tall shortstop on the mind, there was a dude in Pittsburgh camp who,

when you walk in the building, he stands out literally. Did you ever have O'Neill Cruz behind you at shortstop, and you're just like, what are you doing? Victory, you don't belong there. More like tall stop, am I right? Am I right? There you go. I like that.

I get it. I get it. Um, he was behind me in a couple drills. And like visually, when you're doing, when you're picking off, like an inside move visually when you're picking off, you're, like, looking down, but then you don't want to believe that he can give it. So like, because you're throwing that toward the bag so he could put the tag on. But like, it's, it's like, thrown to a tall catcher.

your vision's a little off. You know, like the tall catcher might catch it out of his chest, but it's out of the zone, but it looks like it's a strike because he's so damn big. It's the same thing about, like, throwing pickoffs to O'Neill Cruz. And he's a stud. Like, I've watched his BP.

It's a stud. I hope he's a stud for a long time with us. But yeah, he should be in the outfield or on the mound. How is how is he? 6-7. Six-seven, yeah. That's short stuff. That's hilarious.

No. That was a really good segue from Jeter. by the way, thank you. But yeah, we were out in the outfield and we were looking on that little backfield back there and it was all the infielder's just doing a little bit of pepper. And it was like, okay, you know, 510 guy, 6 foot, 6 1, 5, 9. And then you're like, way to say one of the pitchers got lost.

Yeah, oh, yeah. Now, he's got the lanky body too. So he looks a lot like body typewise like Gregory Polanco. And Polanco is huge. and his his legs go up to like everybody's shoulders but he's like he's six five but he's like six two of legs and uh o'neill's is similar like body typewise so that's if you were to like imagine what o'neill's going to look like in a couple years you know you just say polanco plus a couple inches stretched out like that yeah man thank you for joining us i mean i don't

know jakey any questions stashed away trev i've i've got i've got one i've got a question from my uncle rick who's a giant pittsburgh pirates spring this is true big pirates fan this is very true he he goes to like every spring training game he lives in sarasota and then he like writes a whole report on every game cold tuck probably knows him yeah probably probably he said what did you do last year to refine your foreseamer and have you shared it with Mitch keller so i don't know if that's yeah what does that mean i don't know what any of them is but it's deep dive pirate stuff yeah um so my bread and butter has always been my my

fastball my heater um I get good extension on it so I know like that's the pitch that I need to go to with my with it's all four corners um it was just locating it better like I said like knowing when I'm in when I'm in a rotation of guys that throw 95 plus and then I'm the guy that throws under that you know hitter's eyes get big and they kind of circle that that game like okay here we go like I'm not getting JMO I'm not getting Joe I'm not getting arch you know I'm not getting those guys so I have to exploit the aggressiveness of hitters so like if I exploit like one oh guys coming out of their shoes with my heater if I could go black to begin with and then just off the black and you circle certain hitters but just

exploiting hitters aggressiveness with the forcing I think helps the equation to make my force seem good I don't know and this is this warm me out because that's exactly what I would have thought if I'm facing Yeah, I know it. I know it. And then, you know, say, guys, you know, just a little bit more into my, you know, bat speed range.

And then, yeah, you would throw that pitch and I would swing it out and I'd pop up and I'd be upset. Yeah. And that's, and that's, story of my career. That's what's being cool. Being on a rotation of guys that throw fuel.

Everyone kind of helps each other out in one way or another. You know, one guy's better pitching away. So if I got the next start and I know you'd be getting dominated away, then I know that away is open to this guy versus, you know, if I know a guy, if I'm pitching game one and guys are being more aggressive on heaters and that tells, you know, the game two, game three, game four guys, what to look for. So I love the rotation that we're in. We got some good dudes and, you know, Arch, poor Arch this year with the, with the season not starting on, because he was looking really good in spring training. And I really wanted to see what he could do

for 32 starts. So hopefully we get, hopefully, yeah, I mean, hopefully he looked really good. He came in his spring and I like him a lot better without his dreads. I think he looks he looks more project he looks more projectable you know so going but but he looked he looked really good in his bullpins everything was really sharp so like you know hopefully he would get in as many starts as possible this year for him and just see him take off because you know he's looking really good in camp awesome all right love that that that goes to my point I've been saying archer's my guy this year and then obviously now we're just hoping we get some season so June I mean June 1st 15 is like our hope date and we're at like we're at the mercy of the CDC so we'll see yeah

it's only April 15th I mean it's only April 15th I mean it feels like we've been in this quarantine forever but like it's only April 15th you got anything to plug I like the optimism you've been doing a lot of stuff with the pirates and some charities and I know you're involved in a lot of things anything you want to send out to everyone um I'm involved I my wife and I started a foundation a couple years ago with some buddies called Project 34. And it is a foundation that aids people and families with spinal cord injuries. So one of the co-founders of Project 34 is named Corey Hahn. He was a stud at ASU as my roommate, California player of year coming in like super top prospect, broke his neck, C5 vertebrae sliding into second base, our second game of the season or freshman

year, like craziest thing I've ever seen on a baseball field. And his whole world got flipped upside down. He still is in baseball. I think he's a scouting director for the d-backs. I don't know what his exact title is, but he's in the front office now, so I jab him a lot. Like, dude, I'm pro player. You're not here pro team. Like, we got to, it's like, just pay the guys, right? So we created this foundation because we saw a need in the spinal cord community of, it's not an ACL injury where like nine months, you're good to go. Like, it takes a years for some people to just scratch their nose or just like have a better way of life. So we wanted to create a foundation that breaks up the monotony of rehabbing every day,

doing the same shit every day. And we saw that if you could create a community of people going in and watching and rehab, and kind of get that extra kick in the pants to like, you know what, keep that hope up. And then also we saw there was a great financial need to. So we were twofold and we help people get standing frames, second wheelchairs, proper rehab equipment. So really everything that insurance doesn't cover. So that's what I'm involved. It's called Project 34.

That's why I switched my number to 34 was for, for Corey. So if you want to check it out, it's project 34.com all spelled out. We're working on getting the other domain name with the numbers. That's awesome. Cool. I have a T-shirt. I have a T-shirt. They're great shirts.

They shelf the pipes. Love it. Shelf the pipes. That's sweet. Thanks guys for having me. Thanks for the plug. You guys take care. And hopefully we're playing baseball.

Yeah. Yeah, it's got to come back on once you start the season up. Of course. Yeah. Thanks a lot, man. We appreciate it. Peace and love, guys. Later.

All right, and we're back. That was a great interview with Trevor William. If anyone doesn't understand, the soundboard comes with eight predetermined, like, drops. So Orange is laughter. Now we know that. It's a whole crowd of people laughing. Never do that again. When we have people like DJing the crowd noise, like if a guy messes,

is up in a serious moment and like hits the laugh button. It's going to be funny. Good content. It's going to be real funny. I mean, should I start dropping these on on interviewees? Like Trevor Williams says something that not funny and we just all go silent. I play the laugh track. We need to talk about, you know, we talks about my tidbits being good about a bunch of different things. But the crowd noise thing, guess what guys? What do they do? Where are they playing baseball now? Taiwan. Taiwan. What are they doing? They are pumping in crowd noise. I am now not only the commissioner of major league baseball. I am the commissioner of baseball. Hey, like baseball. Hey, Trev. I think you can take that title actually. I think I think I just did.

Yeah, that's fair game. Nice, dude. Congrats. Thank you. Huge. Thank you. Longtime friend of John Boy Media, Nick Bubach, sent in a custom song. for Trevor's tidbits if we ever do that segment again. Oh. Are you interested in hearing it? I can't. I mean, of course. Jake says no.

Can't till the tidbits come out. We need more tidbits. Do you have a tidbit for us? Not really. Not today. I'm not a guy that just throws them out there. Like, they got to be real. My credibility as commissioner of worldwide baseball is on the line now.

All right. We will sit on it. Sorry, Bubak. It's true. I can't wait to hear it. I'll dig up some stuff. Final, final note for me on Trevor Williams, that was awesome. Because it wasn't an interview.

It was a conversation. And that's always the goal. And that was great. Yes. Best looking Trevor in the game since 2018. Hmm. Yeah. Shots fired, Bauer.

Oh, my gosh. Hey, come on. Great pitch. He might be the best Trevor player-wise, but... Trevor Story. Trevor Kaye. Good looking guy. Trevor May.

Trevor got. I'm just going to say it.