Talkin' Baseball (MLB Podcast) - 145 | Walker Buehler Loves the Big Moments

Episode Date: May 18, 2020

Dodgers ace Walker Buehler came on the show for the best day of Trevor Plouffe's life. The young stud provided a deep dive on him and Clayton Kershaw's routines, throwing a combined no-hitter, his first All-Star Game, his time at Vanderbilt, and much more. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Welcome to talking baseball. We are very excited for the interview we have on today's episode, Walker Bueller. What's going on, everybody? Welcome back to talking baseball. My name is Jimmy. We got Trevor. We got Jake. Producer BPD's here.

And we just wrapped up an hour-long conversation with stud starting pitcher Walker Bueller for the Los Angeles Dodgers. Trev, how are you doing today? I'm glowing. Yes. You guys knew I was looking forward to this. And really, it kind of surpassed my expectations. The kid has a glow about him, an aura, an air of confidence that you need to be as good a pitcher as he is.

And I was just, I was happy how everything turned out. He told some really funny stories. But it was a big interview for me and I think we did a good job. for the people just listening and not watching Jake fake ate his tie it kind of a did eat his tie and then spit it out but now I'm worried you hurt your neck again I uh man I get sometimes I get these weird neck cramps and by pretending to eat my tie I uh I just gave myself a neck cramps so that's that's a little bit in my life and for those listening and following uh we did record this on Jeff Passen day so that's that's why I'm wearing a tie um yeah I

I think what Trevor said. Yeah, he's got the confidence of a young dude that's done what he's done in Major League Baseball, like not above, not less. Like, he's right there. He's locked in. And he's got like a little bit of the pitchers quirk mixed with, you know, he's from Kentucky. And, you know, he had a couple good jokes through there that were pretty, you know, he stayed deadpan and he stayed on the course.

And it was like, yeah, okay. I get it. I'm in. I like it. Yeah. All right. Let's just throw it right to the interview and then we'll come back to a little wrap-up session afterwards. Have some fun.

Do things. Talk. Here's Walker Bueller. We are joined by one of my Vandy brother in Walker Bueller. Walker, how you doing, man? Good. How are you guys doing? We're good.

Doing well. I'll correct Jake right away. Okay. His girlfriend went to Vandy. and he's gone to some reunions and now he thinks he's welcoming to the club. And Dansby Swanson gave him a hard, no, not in the club. Yeah, you're not a Commodore by association, but it's all right. Yeah, we're off to a tough start.

I lied about that. We spelled your name wrong in the Zoom. Yeah, man, I went to like the five-year reunion thing this year, and it was nuts. It was kind of awesome. So keep, and I'll just, I'm just going to kind of keep prodding at the Vandy guys until someone lets me in. Do I need to go after Corbyn or what should I do? Well, I think that'd probably be the toughest sell.

Oh, shit. Price might let you in. I think Price might. Yeah. Okay. He's pretty nice guy. I'll talk to make a day to that. Good.

Isn't Camph got a bandity guy? Tony, yeah. Yeah. Yeah, and he's short, like us, Jake, somebody he'll let you in. I'll be like, you know, it'll be really test the bondhood between short guys and vandy guys. What's stronger? Just pushing the envelope everywhere.

Walker, enough about me. How you doing, man? I'm just hanging out at home kind of trying to stay in shape, try and stay ready. Hopefully, you know, we'll get to go soon. How is, you're in Kentucky, you told us, Lexington. I mean, it's a beautiful time of year there right now, right? Yeah, we're almost to the good spot. It's kind of, it doesn't know the weather here doesn't know if it's Arizona or Antarctica.

It's 55 and nice and pretty, and then it'll be 32. So it's like 50 and a little rainy here today. Well, in Walkerville, which is Los Angeles, that's what I'm going to call it from now on Walkerville. It's 71 degrees. It's beautiful. So this whole city is waiting for you to get back, man. Oh, man. We're missing it.

Where are you, obviously don't get specific. So where do you stay in L.A.? My first two years, last year was the first time I actually got my own place, but I did some Airbnbs. my first year in Marina del Rey so I liked it down there and got a place down there last year and then this year we found a house to rent in the Hollywood Hills so we're missing out on but we wanted to be a little bit closer to the field this year yeah marina's a little bit of a drive oh yeah a little 45 minute action but I loved it I loved it down there I'm telling you right now this is like Los Angeles at its best because nobody's driving so that's the worst part about

is the traffic. You can actually go places now, huh? Yeah. I mean, I'm in the San Fernando Valley, and I could get down to Marina in 20 minutes. Yeah. And that's just something that nobody, everyone listened to this is like, shut up, Trevor, ask something different, but I'm just saying it's, you understand. That's a beautiful thing.

I tell everyone around here that everyone always asks me about it. I'm like, listen, you can do one thing a day. You've got to pick one thing that you want to do because it's going to be two hours each way, and that's just the way it is. Yeah, we learn that. the hard way with like three things planned going like through the valley and all that stuff it's terrible but are you doing any uh throwing while you're like at home you got a spot of the high school field or uh you know backyard or uh one of my best friends is a division three coach at a little

school here called transylvania so i've been making him come and throw with me we've been going to we jump around the spot so that we don't get caught but uh yeah we've been playing catch here and there and throwing some bullpens and stuff like that. Is it all on you, or have you been getting a lot of stuff from, like, your pitching coaches and organization, or how's that? Yeah, we've gotten, you know, we've gotten our throwing program, and, you know, as we do every winter, kind of get a program and then make it your own, and that's what we've been doing. Luckily, we have a couple of pretty good pitchers and guys around here.

Trevor Gott is from here. Robbie Ross is around. I'm forgetting somebody. but we've got a good little group that we kind of get together and throw bullpens and do that kind of stuff. What was the vibe with the Dodgers when all this has gone down or is there any like team group chat? Because I mean, the Dodgers are in a crazy situation with, you know,

your guys are in the biggest open window right now, like a favorite, have a hell of a team. You get price, you get mooky. I'm sure spring, like how was spring? It had to be a pretty upbeat and happy spring training. That was, it was exciting. Obviously, we were just kind of all getting, getting to know each other well and kind of gearing up and then they shut it down.

But, yeah, I mean, we're in a tough spot. Obviously, having Mookie for the one year and, you know, D.P. for a couple more for that. But, you know, we were excited and getting to know those guys and kind of figuring out our little roles within the clubhouse and it's all kind of poofed away. So, you know, we're looking forward to getting back out there with that group. and obviously, you know, want to hold up the trophy at the end. Oh, man. I'm, I told you I'm from L.A.

So, you know, all my friends are Dodgers fans, and that's all we ever talk about is a Dodgers. They ask me questions. I tell them I have no idea about anything about the Dodgers. But to go to the World Series like that and come up a little short, then you add Mookie, it's like you got to be Jones into, to get back out there. Like everybody I talk to, they're like, once you get to the playoffs and you do stuff like that, that's the only baseball that means anything to you anymore. Do you feel that way?

18 was definitely a big experience for me and kind of changes the way that you look at everything. And obviously that being my first real year was kind of made it even that much more special. And, you know, last year losing to Washington, you know, you always want to lose to the team that wins. So, you know, they just got on a run and played really good baseball. the stretch. So, yeah, I mean, we're, you know, it's so cliche. Everyone says, you know, reload instead of rebuild and all that stuff. But it's really what we've done. And we like our roster a lot. And, you know, the depth of it is obviously probably second and in the league. So, yeah, we're really excited. I don't think we're any less excited now. We're just a little bit,

a little bit delayed. Yeah. Speaking of the postseason stuff, I mean, I like, well, I love watching you pitch because the word I always use is Moxie. It just seems like you're in control of the game. And then you got the, you let the emotions out after the inning and it's a big release. Like, I love it. You pitched in the tiebreaker. I want to go into a bunch of these.

And a lot of postseason starts, you're also in the World Series in college as well. Big games just been finding you, like in high school were you in big playoff games as well? Because it feels like big moments chased you around. Yeah, I don't know. I think a big part of it is I've just, just always throwing strikes. And I think coaches have been like, all right, these big games,

you know, we're not going to walk our way to losing this game. So I did that once in Atlanta, but no, you know, I think I've always tried to try to believe that if you can be good 50% of time in big games, you're going to be fine. And that's kind of what happened to me in the College World Series that had two really good outings and two really bad outings. But you learn from that stuff. And, you know, the first playoffs was was kind of a rocky road, but I got better as the playoffs win and got more comfortable. And, you know, I just don't think anything really prepares you for what the adrenaline feels like in a playoff start and a playoff atmosphere. So definitely takes a little bit of adjusting, but, you know, feel better about it now.

Yeah, I mean, your postseason IRA is like 272. You're doing pretty well. I think you've done pretty well. That doesn't even include the game 163 against the Rockies where you pretty well as well. What about the no-hitter? That's like the no-hitter, combined no-hitter, first in Dodgers history. What was the emotions when you realized you might not be able to finish this one? Yeah, there was some discussions and some, you know, heated words coming both ways. but when they told me I was coming out, but it was my third start in the big leagues, and I kind of knew I was going to be on some sort of limitation throughout the year.

You know, I think had it been 10 starts later, it would have been a lot more heated, but I think at that point you're still just really happy to be there and to even have thrown six innings. You know, it was a really cool accomplishment, and I don't think at the time I really soaked it in the way that I wish I would have or really understood how cool it was, but obviously something we'll look back on.

Enough of this taster stuff. I'm sick of bluefin. Oh, I got so much more, bro. I'm sick of them tasting you. No, I wanted to ask, because I always find it's funny. I love looking through guys just different years. And I mean, man, you've shoves college pros, blah, blah, blah. We get it.

2017, when you get your cup of coffee and you get those eight games coming out, and you get hit a little bit. I mean, do you look back at that as something that was good for you? Like, did that bring you into the offseason? And you're like, hey, I still got work to do. Or are you like, no, I just missed a couple pitches? What happened then? No, well, I will in my defense say that I didn't throw as bad as the numbers might suggest.

I did give up a grand slam. Yeah, Jake. In a game, similar to the playoff numbers. I think it's a pretty similar situation. but definitely humbling to walk out of any season with a ADRA or whatever I had. So I think it was a little bit of both. I think at first I was initially really upset and disappointed. And, you know, I walked in there and from, you know, from the staff and the organization,

had a chance to make the playoff roster if I threw the ball well and felt like I squandered that opportunity. And, you know, then to watch them all the way through. And coming off of having numbers like that or that month, I don't know if I could have helped. But if you're competitive, I think you always feel like you could have helped. So then you walk back into 18 and I was a first cut in spring training. And I thought I was going to make the team and didn't because, you know, I needed to go to AAA and get a couple starts and that kind of stuff.

I think it was all humbling. And then you do get the chance and things start going well. And you get more and more acclimated. I think it's kind of all part of the process. in this game, everyone's going to get humbled at some point. And I'm just glad it happened early and could learn from it instead of, you know, I'd rather it happen then than it happened now. I want to go to that game 163.

Obviously, you had a great year leading up to that game. But I've been telling my buddies, I said, this is the guy with the Dodgers that you give the ball to in a big game. And you look at that rotation. I mean, there's obviously a lot of depth there. You have Clayton Kirschaw and the trio of other guys that you have in the rotation as well. But when Dave Roberts comes up to you and says, you know, do or die game, you got the ball. Is that something you expected or were you surprised by that?

No. Well, I think what's kind of forgotten about that whole thing is it was played pretty quick. It might have been the day after the season or something like that. So, you know, more than anything, I think it fell on my turn through the rotation. But, you know, it was nice, I think, looking back on it, and when we talked about it, it was like a playoff game. And I think for me to have that experience was great. And I think it was a calculated of risk by the organization of this goes really poorly. We've still got these other guys that can get us through that wildcard game.

Or if it goes, well, we don't have to play it. And Bueller's got a playoff experience start under his belt. And luckily, it went well. The post-game comments did not go very well for me. I don't know if you guys saw those videos, but I may have cussed on live TV on the field, which didn't feel very well. But, no, I mean, it was all good, man.

I'm glad we got through it. That staff in 18 that you joined when you finally came up, I mean, it's got Kershaw in there, obviously. Also had Rich Hill and Alex Wood. Older guys, like you joined a kind of veteran staff. They're all having decent years. and Kirshaw, I mean, he's Kershaw. Is there any like, holy shit moments with him or, you know, watching him work,

any aha moments? Did he, is he giving you any tips and advice that really, like, resonated? Yeah, I mean, I would probably go back to 17 more so because I had never, I didn't go to Big League camp in 17. So I made my debut before I had been to Big League camp. So I didn't really know these guys very well. That's crazy. You know, the closest thing that I had known with Kersh was when he made a rehab and

17 when I was in AAA. So, you know, hadn't been around them much. Obviously, being a pitcher growing up in the era that I did, Clayton Kershaw is kind of more than, more than a player. So it was, you know, it was cool. And then to get up in 18 and you've actually met everyone before and things like that, it certainly makes it a lot easier. I got, I got two Kershaw questions for you. I'm coming loaded right here. All right. Is there hard, is it going to be hard hitting? You said you made a rehab start in AAA. What did he buy for spread?

Better be good. Have you ever been to Oklahoma City? There's a little steakhouse there called, I think it's called Mickey Mantles. Okay. I think that's what he got, but I'm not 100%. We had a couple guys down there while I was there. Gonzo was there.

He bought a bunch of good spreads. It's the best. Andre Aether was there. Chris Hatcher had been there. So we were pretty lucky in the food department, but I'm pretty sure that he had done Mickey Mantles. You know it was one of the coolest moves that I saw when we were down there. Justin Masterson was on our team that whole year.

He was just playing in AAA for us. He would just get fed up at some point about the food and just buy spread because he was there. So he did Mickey Mantles a couple times as well. That's awesome. I love that. I did the same thing. My last year split the year in AAA. And the food is so bad.

I think you guys probably have it better than most. organizations but we were doing pretty good and Massey just at some point I was like no not doing that you can only have dry chicken breast and like steam broccoli so many days in a row I would always do pizza for the boys like on road trips just get the pizza in guys we need it yeah we had a we had a pretty good tradition there on that team of buying some pizzas before the bus rides that was our big deal who's on this current dog I got another question here bro two kershaw questions That was one question.

Oh, my God. Yeah. This one's even harder. This one's even tougher. Oh, wow. Wow. Question number two, Clayton Kershow. What are those Skechers cleats like?

I got to know. Are they just underarmor cleats with the Skecher logo or what are we doing there? They are fully, listen, I don't want to mess up his deal here. I don't want to mess anyone's thing. They are a Skechers product. I do know that. Okay. Are they going to hold up?

through a season or what? Because I'm worried about that as a Dodgers guy. He's the only Skechers guy. So I'm pretty sure that he gets about as many Skechers pleads as he can ask for. Okay. The second part of that, they are eerily similar to the Under Armour Cleats. We'll just leave it at that. Similar. They look like they took the Under Armour sign and just kind of swirped it into an ass. They're very, very similar. Thank you for answering.

I also told him when he brought up the idea of the sketches. I'm a big shoe guy. I really care about my cleats. I asked him if he would rather have the money for the sketchers deal or the respect of his peers. He chose the sketches cleats. Tell me that money, maybe. So if the sketcher rep comes to you, it's a tougher decision? It will not happen.

It's not a discussion. Not a discussion. A lot of discussion. Any further questions, Mr. Plouf? You're good for now? That's all I need to know. I wanted to ask you, Walker. It's kind of what we're all missing, man.

I know Plufey was tweeting about it today, but we miss doing things and being with the guys, whether it's, you know, playing for the Dodgers or whatever the hell we do here. But who's a, yeah, who are the guys on the Dodgers? I know we're Yankee fans and Tommy Canley out of their bullpen. Like, he's the energy ball on that team. team. He keeps them going through 162. We talked to Sean Doolittle and he was talking about the guys on

that team, Parra and some of the other guys that just kept the energy up. Who were the dudes on the Dodgers that are kind of the pulse of the clubhouse? Yeah, we've got an interesting group. We got a lot of we don't, you know, we have our leaders of our team, JT and Kirsch and we all kind of know that. But the rest of us are all kind of, you know, nobody's super shy. Seeger's a little shy compared to some guys. But then you've got guys like Kiki who are not shy. And it seems like every little facet of our team in the bullpen there's some shire guys and some outgoing guys. It's all pretty balanced, I would say. I'd say our most eccentric group is the outfielders probably with Belly and Jock.

And Pollock is the more veteran, mature presence of those three. And then adding Mookie in there, obviously, he's a pretty entertaining fellow as well. So, you know, I'd say we're pretty balanced group. That outfit is a joke. I mean, Bellinger, Mookie, and Pollock are jock. Yeah, and then CT and Kiki. Yeah, I mean, my goodness, dude. Silly.

You could say the same about our infield and you can say some things about our staff. They're good, too. They're all. Dude, I went, so I went, I was, sounds ridiculous now if you're just like looking at me and what we're doing here. but I was going to join the organization as front office PD. I don't know what. I went to instructional league this last year for the Dodgers.

And not only you guys just stacked on your major league side, but you guys have guys coming up too. Yeah. There's like a secret sauce down there, man, that just you guys keep growing from within. Obviously, I was really impressed with the facilities, and I knew a bunch of the coaches and stuff. But I mean, like, what do you think it is?

Do you think it's like they've driven? drafted well, or is the player development just that much better? Well, we eat organic, so that's a... Oh, that's it. Drink a lot of essential water. We have all sorts of... It was pretty show. But, no, I do think that we draft really well.

And, you know, we've gotten a lot of players that are good players that we've made better. You know, you look at guys like Max Muncie and Chris Taylor, and then, guys that have been to the big leagues, obviously very talented, very good baseball players, and I think kind of unlock them. And I think when you do that to guys, people are going to think that we developed them, and we didn't. We just simply helped them in their career. And obviously, those guys both side extensions this offseason, and we're happy to have both of them, right? So, but we didn't draft them. But also, we have drafted. Well, Corey's been unbelievable as a first-round pick. Belli, Jock. Those guys weren't first-round picks, but

obviously impact players now. And I think as an organization, if you hit with most of your first round picks and then steal two or three valuable players in the rest of the draft, you're going to be in a pretty good spot. And I think we've been on a pretty good run at doing that. Yeah, I mean, Justin Turner is another example. I mean, I played against Justin for a while, you know, Baltimore, New York. And then he's the king of L.A. now, man.

And I'm so happy for him. because that means he's from L.A. What happened here? Did I lose you guys? We got, we got you. Can you hear us still? Yeah,

you're good. I just, it like went to the background. I don't know what happened. I'm good. I want to talk about you with a bat in your hand. You tweeted out that you couldn't hit 200 in double A, watching the last stand.

Let's talking about Michael Jordan. But hey, you hit 168 in 2018, and then last season you popped a Homer. Do you like hitting? About a season. atrocious at the plate. But, no.

One homer, though. I did hit a homer, but I think that ruined the rest of my season. I think I was trying to do it the whole time after that. It's a little addicting. It will happen. It does happen. And I also gave up a four spot right after the homer. So Homer is not as sweet a memory as one may think.

It was a premier name you knocked it off of at least. Who was it? I got Waka. Wow. It's a good name to get. Yeah. It's a nice shot too. Especially in our clubhouse because him and Stripling are big buddies from Texas A&M.

So if there was anyone, it would probably be him. Are you going to, so then, you know, the proposal, well, DHS. If the D.H comes, are you going to be more happy? You don't have to hit anymore or are you going to miss being able to pitch to pitchers more? I like hitting. I like throwing the pitchers. I love it. I get that the game at some point is probably going to go to the DH, but I like it.

And, you know, I think it's, I just think it's a fun part of the game personally. When you, if a pitcher gets a hit off you, are you like gripping the bat tighter in the box when you come up against him? I mean, that's got to just be natural, right? Yeah, I mean, you don't like to give up hits to pitchers. I can't remember. Cindergarde smoked a ball off me this year, which sucked. like you hit like 106 down the line but it didn't really matter how hard I

grabbed the bat against him I don't think I was going to too much So Indygar's got a bad body he needs to work on that Yeah it's really tough to look at I get that That dude's scary big He is big I got a good one for you here

Because I don't know if we should refer to you as Walker or Commissioner Bueller As you are the commissioner of the Dodgers fantasy league. I was. I don't know if I will have that title. I don't think I did a very good job. Let me tell you this, dude.

It is a thankless job. Anyone that's ever done it knows. You're just going to get complaints. This is true. So I am in a fantasy league with Turner. Okay. And it's kind of like a league-wide fantasy league. He's pretty good.

He had a really good team this year. Who are like the top players in that Dodgers league? Maybe rank the top three for us if you could. Oh, this is going to ruffle some feathers. Ross Stripling has won the past two years, I believe. But he is sponsored by Clayton Kershaw. I don't believe that Clayton has a lot to do with the Fancy Football decisions on a day-to-day basis.

Interesting. But Stripling is also a stockbroker in the off-season. So it does make sense that he has some natural inclination to be good at fantasy football. Is he number one? I think as it stands right now, he has to be. Okay. Barnes is very invested, very, very, very invested. There aren't really many bad players in our league.

I would say that I would be considered one of the bottom third players, but I had Sequan get hurt on me last year, which causes some, causes some desperation moves to occur. So, yeah, I made bad moves. Did I know they were bad moves? Yes. You know, it wasn't out of, you know, it was the situation that was in. If you lose a first rounder, it's going to be an uphill battle, no doubt about it. especially number one pick and then McCaffrey, you know, it's just, it was a tough year for me.

Is there any collusion going on? Is there any like, hey, we need to kick this guy out of league? This guy's this guy's not setting his lineup. These two are working together. Yeah, I think, I think what has happened recently is we've kicked the front office guys more or less out. Friedman. Friedman is far on when he was with us. They were, you know, threats, perennial threats. I personally would like to get them all out of there. But, you know, if it's 10-man league without them or 12-man with them, everyone's going to take 12 with them. I agree. That's brutal. You can't get a trade offer from your GM or owner. Like, what are you supposed to do? Yeah, but they're so egregious that you can.

You can send out. Okay. Maybe that's a test. The GM making fantasy trades. Yeah. It's just kind of like, Hey man, this is what you do, though. Right. You know, it is an advantage for them. That's like us doing a fantasy podcast, like in our head. I don't even go. It's just that's your real job. That doesn't make any sense right there.

That's his real job. And then he's doing it like in a fake world as well. Okay. That's crazy. Wow. Deep end of thoughts. Walker, when we had Jack Flaherty on, I asked him when he's in the middle of a stretch like he was at the end of last season and you were at the end of the 2008.

18th season where you're just dominating the second half of that season. When you take the ball, how much is your game plan changing per batter? Or are you just like, I have my A plus stuff. I'm going to throw the pitches I want to throw. And Jack said that he doesn't care about scattering reports when he's feeling the way he feels like, I'm going to throw my game. He can't hit it. So how's it for you?

Are you going batter to batter? Yeah, I mean, I think whatever routine got you to that point, you're going to try and stick to, right? If you're really scouting or really deep diving guys or whatever, you're going to try and keep doing that. I would also say to Jack's point, he has one of the best catchers of all time behind the plate that probably doesn't take scouting lightly ever. So, you know, I think when you get in those rhythms and grooves and whatever you want to call it, I think you just try and recreate it as long as you can. Yeah, and last year I was looking at the pitch mix for you,

and it looked like the fastball ticked up a little bit. Was that by design or just that high fastball is now working so much better than it? It seems like each year that high fastball works better. Yeah, you know, I don't go into a year trying to say, hey, here are my percentages and here's what I want to do. I do think that, you know, the swings in our game are becoming more uphill and run-oriented. and I think every year you're going to see you guys throw the ball up in the zone more. But I've always been kind of traditional in the way that I think, you know,

I want to get strikes early, low and low in the zone and then move up later. You know, it kind of is what it is. It's just part of the game now. And, you know, I would say it's mostly dictated on what was called or I was in, you know, more pro-pitcher counts. So I'm trying to throw the ball up in the zone more because I'm, trying to punch guys out. Yeah, that's a horrible pitch for hitters.

Just so you know, just keep throwing it up there because if you look at, like, heat zones for any hitter, that top is usually blue. Not too many guys there have that red hot zone. Yeah, you know, it's one of the more fun ones to throw. It's a little scary for a while because if you miss or if they get it, it's usually going to go a long way. So there's also a weird illusion where every ball that comes off the bat

that's a high heater, at least to me, looks like it's coming right at my forehead. But I think it's kind of more incentive to throw good ones more often. I'm kind of fascinated with the kind of catching change that's been going on for catchers, where they're starting with the glove on the ground and kind of working from down up to steal some of those strikes. I haven't pitched in a long time. I pitched in high school. But I remember, my bad. Please laugh at him.

It was pretty good. Please laugh at him. I have a point to that, all right. I'm just saying, you know, I remember throwing to certain catchers and not liking it, throwing to some catchers and liking it. What is that like for you? I mean, are you okay with, like, them having that target down and having them and come up late with it?

Do you just focus on a different target? Like, how does that work for you? You know, I think, obviously everyone wants to throw to a target or whatever. but in all honesty, I think for me for a long time, it's been more of a feel of I'm trying to throw this ball on the outer third and the target kind of is what it is, especially once you get to professional baseball, you're going to be throwing to so many different catchers all the time

that you in some way can kind of push that out of your head. Also, the way that I, my delivery, I go over the head with my hands. So there is like a pretty decent amount of time. and then I'm not even looking at home. So whatever they do in between kind of is their thing, their professionals and some of the best in the world at what they do. So, you know, if they're helping us, then we're good with it. Okay.

Have you ever had, I love the hands over the head. That's Trevor's talking about his high school delivery. That's my Wiffleball League delivery. What, um, had coaches tried to take that away from you at all? because I feel like a lot of coaches try to nowadays because it's kind of the less motion you're doing. But I guess if you're doing what you're doing, they let it ride. Yeah, you know, that was something that I put in, this is actually kind of a weird story, I put it in right before my last college start.

So I threw in a regional game at Vandy, we won that game, swept super regional, so I didn't have to pitch. And then my first start in Omaha that year was 17 days later, and I came back with a whole new delivery. So I've always kind of tinkered with it that way. And then I have the year off and just kind of forgot to do it for a while. And then rediscovered it and kind of I've been doing it ever since. Yeah. Did you meet resistance in the minors? Because, you know, like David Cohn always writes about how people hated his.

delivering the minor leagues and he ran into so many coaches trying to change he coiled his wrist and they tried to change it forever he was like that's how I pitch um you know I I was pretty lucky and going back to the Dodgers player development stuff they didn't ever really try and change a whole lot of what I was doing I think to them you know to the organization I had already been out of year so our first round pick we just let's let him go see what he can do and and people really mess with much outside of, you know, scouting a port or being a pro or finding a routine. It was more of that stuff than my delivery, I guess. All right.

Let's go back to some more fun stuff because that's really what I'm interested in here. L.A. Big city of stars. Yep. I mean, people come all the time to your games. Who's like the person that you met and you're like, wow, that's pretty cool. Like that's so-and-so. for me personally do you ever watch a show

The League? Raffy was there That was pretty cool That was your guy Rafi Lodd That would be like the one that you wouldn't expect Like you know we've met some cool people Obviously Kobe when he came

Was really cool and You know obviously a sad Teal but Yeah A really cool memory that that during the World Series in 2018, I met him the day after probably the biggest game in my life. And that was pretty cool.

And then this year, Kevin Hart and one of the Kardashians took BP with us at one point. So that was kind of cool. Were they good? No, really bad. Triple G came in, Anthony Davis. And for me, that was awesome because I'm from Lexington and obviously,

played at Kentucky. So I was wearing one of my UK basketball shirts, which was pretty funny. That's awesome. You know, we get a lot of people come in and, you know, I think the funniest thing is how all of them are of us in some way. We're like, no, you're such and such. And they're like, we're in your locker. It's just a weird. I mean, you've seen that with people coming through locker rooms. It's weird how, like, out of their element they are, even when they're an athlete and they're in a locker room, right? Yeah, because, I mean, they're around 30 guys, whatever, in that locker room. It could be intimidating.

Plus, dude, you're the Dodgers. You know, I played mostly with the twins. I mean, there's some people who are big twins fans, but Dodgers. Prince come by? What's that? Prince come by? No, man, but I was there when Prince passed away, and that was crazy, man. He was really beloved there.

What else is famous from Minnesota? Nick Swardson, who's become one of my buddies, and he's, like the best. Yeah, he's in your fantasy league, right? Yeah, he's hilarious. Nice Paul. Yeah, but L.A. is different. I mean, when you're in L.A., it's the Dodgers and Lakers and that's it.

So I can see how those, you know, people, especially they grew up in L.A., like they know, the Dodgers are, it means a lots of people out here. Yeah. I didn't even realize that. Like, you have celebrities coming by nonstop. Is it ever like, hey, let's close off locker? We don't need the Kardashians, take a batting practice. No, keep the Kardashians coming.

I think the sketchiest, not sketchiest, but the closest to it being a problem was it was Kershaw's start day, which is kind of a legendary routine and ambiance in the locker room. It's just a different, it's a different animal on Kersh's day. Is there no music? No, he's, apparently he's eased up. I believe it. It is still kind of hard to believe, but he has eased up. But he was downstairs starting his,

warm up and every single Rams rookie walked through the weight room, which was like I was down there at the time working out and obviously I have no choice of the music. You know, you're putting your plates back very quietly. You're just kind of letting Kirsch get ready to help our team win. And then you had every Rams rookie walk through and, oh, look at this and all the, you know, It was a little sketchy. We kind of got him out of there pretty quickly. That's fun. He really has earned that, you know, like, I feel like if people hear that story,

like, oh, Kershaw might be a prima donna, but dude, the guy's earned it. He could do whatever he wants. And if that's what the recipe works. Right. Yeah, if that's what works, let him do it. I know he eats the same lunch every start day because he eats it in the locker room. And what's crazy is how long he's, like, had these routines or plans. to be as successful as he is.

I asked him about it once, and he makes a turkey sandwich or whatever it is, but he knew that he could get that same meal in every big league park. So that's how it starts. All of his routines are based on no home bias. He wants to be the same on the road. It's just wild how, like,

how much confidence you have to have to think, well, I need to do this routine so that I can do it in every big league. Park but Kirsch is also the most humble guy ever so it's just really interesting how how that routine and those routines have kind of set him up for success I think it goes into what do I always what's the term I always used decision fatigue is uh like they say that's the recipe the least decisions you have to make every day so if Kirsch was like I don't have to make a decision on my food now this is right every start it's less time he has to think about something besides the game that's like what

all the crazy single-sided, smart and successful people too? What's your routine? I think I'm more of a simplicity fatigue guy where I want as much going on before the game as I possibly can. I have an embarrassing story about myself that I will share with you guys. All right. So traditionally, we play games at 7 o'clock. On Saturdays, we play games at 7 o'clock. On Saturdays, we play at six because we have day games. I may or may not have been playing cards up until 5.15 before I start when I normally start my routine at an hour and a half before. So I traditionally get the trainer stretch and all that. And I looked at the guy that works on me. I said, you have five minutes. And he said, this usually takes 30. I said, you have five. And I threw the

ball well, which is the only reason I will ever repeat that story. ever again. Well, when you're doing it, are you like, huh, maybe I need to change my routine up a little bit, throwing well tonight. No, I enjoy my routine. Most of mine is more of a massage, so I just kind of enjoy that and move on with my day. That sounds like a nice routine there. Yeah, you know, to get one every fifth day, or really, for me, everyone in locker, would tell you I'm praying every other day rub down guy, so I'm a little bit high maintenance. Got to have it. You know, it was a lot easier or a lot to get away with that when I was a rookie. It's become a little bit more of a, oh, that's his routine.

Do you have any other superstitions? I wouldn't even call that a superstition. You know, there's some little things that we do. Little things we do here and there. I've always traditionally worn a St. Christopher Nicholas. One of my grandfathers gave it to me. So I do give that to our strength coach before I go out. I don't wear it anymore.

It started hitting me in the face all the time. so I kind of wear that all day and then give it to him on the way out. What kind of card games are you playing? Are you a spades guy? We're a big pluck. Pluck. Love Pluck, man. Yeah, we do some pluck and then we play cards.

Who's your partner? See, it's kind of a rotating partner. What we do is Jock and I play each other and we just grab partners. So he and I have little wagers here and there on pluck games, but it's kind of whoever's ready to play that day, but it's just me versus jock. We used to play Pluck all the time. A. Shifty on you real quick.

It's the best. I miss that. Now I'm getting sentimental. If you guys out there don't know about Pluck, it is one of the simplest best card games out there, in my humble opinion. Yeah, I got to take it up. Never played Pluck. So it's a Trump game and you just,

and you choose. Trump. Yeah. There you go. So you, you pluck around a little bit. We know you're watching last dance like everyone else. What else, what else are you about besides baseball? What's, what's going on in the off seasons? Are you a Netflix guy? Are you, we've had a few hunters on here? What do you get into? Yeah, I do some, I do some duck hunting. I don't know if you guys can see it. There's the first one. Hey. Oh, wow. There's the little guitar we got. share it from the Cleveland All-Star game. So we're trying to make this into a little man cave up here.

Yeah. No, I do a little duck hunting. Since the quarantine, we built a deck on the back of the house. So. You duck cutting off the deck of your house? You could. I live on a little bit of a golf course here. So you definitely could.

It probably needs somebody to go out there and shoot some of these geese. No offense to the lovers. but yeah we just kind of hang out big into the horse racing deal so i got to go to the breeders cup last year which was really cool um that makes sense pretty that's about it you're right you're you're in horse racing country yeah i live probably seven minutes from where the big sales go on and about 12 minutes from keenland so it's kind of hard not to not to be into it when you're from here It's crazy. Is that going to be a next step?

Are we going to be hearing about Walker Bueller's horses at some point? Yeah, I've had some opportunities to do that stuff, but I think we need to wait until I get a little more secure financially. Okay. It is the sport of kings, so. Well, let's get Andrew on the phone right now. Let's go. This guy needs a horse.

Come on, Andrew. No, it is pretty cool. My fiance's sister is married to a Hall of Fame job. jockey as well. So we've got to, I kind of more hang out in the locker room at the horse track than, than watch the races more than I used to. Damn, jockey life. I'd love to see the inside working of that. Supposedly, it's crazy. That's a crazy locker room. It's a lot different. Yeah, I don't know if you guys have, Trevor, or Jake, I don't know if you've ever heard

stories of jockey locker rooms, but they're nuts. Go read some. I've just been recruited, never, never been in. Yeah, it's a lot smaller locker. It's actually exactly half the size of the locker. Jake, you need to lose a little bit of weight before you go out of those. Yeah, too many carbs for me. But one day. How did Vanderbilt become?

Was that you I in Vanderbilt the whole time at a high school? Or near him? Yeah, you know, I just kind of fell in. You know, I had a few offers and had some, you know, stuff lined up to go and visit schools and went down to a camp there. They asked me to come back two weeks later. They offered me whatever they did. And I committed and canceled everything else.

It just kind of felt like that was a spot. And then, you know, obviously going through the draft and stuff out of high school, you kind of feel like you should do this or should do that. And, you know, at one point after, I think it was after the first round, I called court and said, hey, man, I'm coming to school. And that was kind of it. So if you had potentially gone one, it would have been a thought process at least, or in the first round? I just know how impulsive I can be sometimes, and I figured if I called and told him that I was coming to school, that I would feel even that much worse if I signed.

So after the first round, I just kind of made the call and stuck with it. Worked out. I mean, yeah, your team has a lot of guys in the bigs right now. I mentioned Swans, Dan's be at the beginning. Tony Camp as well. Friend of the pot, yeah. When you, when those guys step in the box against you, is there like a smile and a nod and a laugh or is it a higher stakes? Yeah, it depends on the guy. Swanson and I, it's a little bit of a laugh. He's actually always hit well off for me. I don't know if he has any hits, but he's hit a bunch of balls hard. We got to look that up right now. He probably has one or two hits. I mean, I'm thinking about you and Danesby facing off just like two young, good-looking studs.

Yeah. It was fun. I love that. I'm pumping your gas all day, Walker. I'm sorry. I like it. Who else would we face? Brian Reynolds.

I don't know if I did face Brian. Brian had a really good year. Yeah. Pittsburgh. All right. Dansby, let's see. You got it before me. Five at bats.

Ground out, line out, single fly ball line out. But all of the outs. in the air, baseball reference says they were deep. Yeah. So as I said, he's one for five. So I'm technically winning, but he has hit the ball well. Yeah. You're winning.

Don't let him celebrate hard hits. Well, you know, it's kind of the game. Trevor can tell you, you know. Yeah, guys. No. So the results-driven game. I thought I thought I faced you. So I've been telling people for a long time, like, dude,

Walker's nasty. I faced him. And when I was with the Phillies, he cayed me. I got double switch for in the second inning because that's where my fucking career was at at the point. But it was Ross Stripling, who also was nasty. And he threw a hammer to me. They double switch in the second inning?

You're going to break them off. Yes, they did. It was in Philly. I got a start. I'm like super stoked. You know, I've been on the bench for a long time. Throw me out there. I strike out.

I'm like, all right, but you know, I feel like pretty good at bat. And then our starter just kind of like, yeah, I mean, he was having a bad day. Is that 17 or 18? 18. July 23rd, 2018. I saw Gabe come out to like make the pitching change. I'm like, I'm going to get double switch for in the second inning. I'm going to be super embarrassed about it, but what are you going to do?

It happens. I got my first big league win in Philly in 17. It's a fun place to play. I've never thrown the ball well there except for that one day. But that was a vulture win too. Yeah, it's a hitter's park, man. Yeah, Andre Aether went backside right off rehab, which was kind of cool because I rehabbed with Andre for four months. So for him to come and hit a pinch hit Homer and me get my first one was kind of cool for me.

That's awesome. He's a kind of guy who probably doesn't remember that at all. But what stadiums do you feel most comfortable in? I've thrown one good game and one bad game in St. Louis, but I really like throwing there. I like Seattle a lot, surprisingly. I didn't think I would, but I really like Seattle. So what comes, what are you like evaluating when this happens? Just like general feel? Do mounds feel different, or is it the visuals? Yeah, the mounds, the mounds for sure. I think a lot of it is the bias of how you throw there. Yeah.

So like Seattle, I threw the ball well, so it's a contender. You know, Texas, I didn't throw the ball well, so it's not even a contender. It's out. Yeah. I like San Diego. I told you, it's a results. It's a results-driven league, you know? Yeah, you know what?

I pretty much, no offense to the Rockies that just kind of, it's their disadvantage, but anywhere except pitching in Denver, I think, I feel pretty decent about. Did you make your debut in Denver or just against them? No, I've just pitched in Denver a lot and it's just the moon. Yeah, the balls don't do the same thing that they're supposed to do. It's got to be such a strange feeling for a pitcher when your ball, you're used to it breaking and it doesn't break. Yeah, it's an interesting one for sure. But I do at some point you kind of give their pitchers a little bit of credit for staying healthy there and succeeding there.

staying sane more so that's tough i gave up 13 hits in a game in Denver which was not fun they should some journalists should make a book all the journalists that listen someone write a book and called i was traded to denver and then take all the pictures that are ever been traded to colorado and they're just jot down their initial reactions it'd be a pretty ex what i've written yeah it would be like you motherfucker what the hell A little rated R. We're talking about Plouf getting double-switched out, which again, that's one of my preferred stories.

Let's say you're in a funky one. Maybe it's an extra inning battle, and maybe you have to hop out in the field. Are you an outfield pitcher guy? Do you float around out there? Can you pick it somewhere? You know what's interesting about that? In Miami last year, I was told I was going in the outfield.

Okay. and I thought it was kind of a joke and didn't really think it was going to happen and blah, blah, blah. And even went and put on my spikes. So I was ready to roll and then it was yanked out from under me. So, you know, I have a pretty steadfast rule on that if you tell me and you know that I put my spikes on, I'm going in. That's a serious thing for a pitcher to put their spikes on. Yeah. So after that, after that, you know, experience, I made it very clear to our manager that,

hey, man, like, don't tease me with this again. If you keep the bikes on, I'm going. Oh, man. I got you more as like an infielder, but I could see shagging leads to a better outfield position, maybe. Yeah, you know, I played every, I think I got to play every position for my high school team. So not that that matters a whole lot. I would rather play the outfield if it's the big leagues. They just hit it.

They hit the ball really, really hard. So, you know, I'm not saying I'm soft. I'm just saying I don't really need to be in the infield. I mean, pitcher, you're standing as close as closer than anyone. So if anyone knows how hard they're hitting them. Yeah, Trevor's story got me on a comebacker two years ago that broke two of my ribs. So that one was good. Oh, shit. Did he really?

Yeah, 108, I think. exit and it hit me square on the ribs so that was a good one how long that bruise last the bruise wasn't that bad it was the fact that I pitched for another month before we knew they were broken so that was that was fun we actually figured it out against Atlanta I came out for the sixth inning and was throwing 90 91 and I had been throwing close to my normal velocity in the fifth so they just kind of shut down on me. Damn. You mentioned no fun.

Yeah, you mentioned the All-Star Game guitar from Cleveland. Yeah. What was that like? I mean, it's your first season that you break camp with the team and you get selected to the All-Star game. And what was that moment like and how did whoever tell you? Yeah, that was really cool. We were in Denver when Doc called me in and told me.

And, you know, we had some other guys had found out before me and we'd had kind of some talks because Dave Roberts was managing that game. So he's like, hey, man, like, there's anything I can do to try and get you in there? We will. And I'm still not sure if they snuck me in there or if I was voted in. But obviously one of the coolest experiences you're ever going to have either way. I also think for me it was really cool. Kersh got back into the All-Star game.

And so I was getting to go together. He got suit, which I was. was very thankful for and yeah it was just a really cool deal and you know outside of Cincinnati Cleveland's probably one of the closer ones to home so you know got to have a lot of family and all that stuff up there and I actually drove home the the night after the All-Star game so I threw my inning shower got in the car and drove five out five five and a half hours home nice what goes on in that drive are you I mean are you windows down cranking or No, my fiance and my two best friends were all asleep, 90% of the ride.

Oh, no. I was pitched in the All-Star games and dead tired, and we get home at like five in the morning. And I had to do it all myself. That's something right there, man. I think they sold out on me a little bit. They might have been, you know, a little day drinking, yeah. Yeah, I don't know. The All-Star game's a long couple days.

I'll tell you guys that we I never felt the way that I felt walking into that ballpark from a hydration standpoint. It was this it was as bad a bad a situation as I had ever been in in that respect. We've heard a lot of guys talk about that. You know, I mean, Judge talked about it when he did the home run derby then the All-Star game and then like they had no off day. And he was like, that's, he's like, I didn't get. instead of a break, I had to do more.

Those weren't his words. He was saying around about that. And I mean, Jeter at the tail end of his career just said no. He was like one of the, it's a huge story. He denied the request because he was like, I'm not healthy right now. And that's a grind. Right. I'm sure it's worth it as well.

It's one of the coolest things ever, but there is a lot that is involved in it. Obviously, if I was a little more disciplined, it probably wouldn't have been as tough on me as it was. but it was my first All-Star game so you got to let it go I'm okay at the decisions that I made the home run derby I know is just kind of a for lack of a better term of shit

show that's what I've heard from everybody you're out there I actually I'm not proud of this either but I left after the first round of the home run derby that's okay that's okay dude well jock was still in it so that's I felt a little bad about that I did watch it very intently

on the television at dinner so but yeah i mean it's all it's all a cool deal man it's a it was a fun weekend was there's someone that you saw in the locker room you know in that all-star locker room that way you were like holy shit um yeah i mean de grom and churzer and the guys that i've watched obviously my my whole life but you know i'm also fortunate enough to have a guy that's you know of that caliber in our locker room every day so um yeah it was it was just cool And then Rue got to start the game. There was just a lot of cool stuff going on for our team there.

Yeah, it was basically a Dodgers All-Star team. I mean, how many guys did you have there? It was a lot. And you and Kershaw both pitched. Three Dodgers starting pitchers in the game. Yeah, and Kersh and I also both gave up runs. So when I came out, I told Doc, I said, listen, if you just would have kept us out of this, we may win this thing.

our boy Gary got you that's my dude right Sanchez yeah he got a little double down the line I think counts that's luck he's got lucky he got lucky all right Jen keep your Yankee bias out of here he got Labor to Ndiying so we're all good I did I got Lindor from his home home ballpark too nice he's a stud dude that one felt good after I had given up the run Awesome. All right, man. Hey, we appreciate you sitting down with us and chatting with us. It was awesome. Yeah, no problem. I absolutely enjoyed it, guys. You're a stud, man. Always rooting for you. I'm telling you, I talk about you a lot. Just don't be afraid of me if we ever meet in person. But I'm a Walker Bueller fan, okay? I like it. I appreciate it.

Yeah. All right, guys. We'll see you. We'll see you. We'll catch you later. Thanks, buddy. See, yeah. And there you have it. That was the Trevor Plouffe trying to date Walker Bueller show. Gassing him up, Treff. I mean, I gassed him up. I really did. I mean, I knew I was going to.

You think he was like a little freaked out by the end of it? I hope he wasn't. We all were a little bit, but I think he liked it. Okay. You know, whenever Walker and I cross past, I don't want him to run the other way. Compliments are nice. and never sit on a compliment.

And you did great. I did think Jake said in the intro, a very dry sense of humor. Like there are some lines in there. I was like, okay. He's good. You got a little tasty on him and that's fine. Normally you critique me pretty hard when I'm like,

hey, Lance Lynn, come to the office. And you're like, whoa, Jake, get off his dick. And you're out here literally like, wow, you and Dan's be playing baseball. That's hot. It is hot. It is hot. It is hot, though.

Yeah. Okay. You know if there's anyone that likes that. It's poppy. I mean, it's, that's what you, if you're a baseball fan, you got those two studs facing off. That's what I want every day. That's why I'm out of the game, okay? Like I was a little too old for the game. Back in the heyday, me and Walker would have been a nice little battle. I think the ladies would have liked that. But now, you know, let those guys do it. We'll just talk about it. Walker's good, man. And he's also really fun to watch. And that's, you know, there's pictures that only check one of those dots for me. Like Weaver, Jeff Weaver. I thought he was so fun to watch.

Just the results were. Jeff Weaver? Like the old school Yankees, Jeff Weaver? Yeah, dude. That's your guy, huh? No, but he wasn't good for the Yankees. But his stuff moved like crazy. It was like, like just watching the pitches was fun.

The results were bad. Walker, I like watching them. And I like the results. He gets both. You guys get the results, but watching it was kind of like, yeah. I think we're going to be saying in a couple of years, because like Trev was saying, I mean, young stud in L.A., it's the Dodgers.

But, man, we, you know, we kind of forget that, and, you know, we joked about, you know, Friedman come on the line and pay this man. You know, he's early in his career. But I think, you know, we talked about the horses and stuff. Like, I think we're going to intend. years, you know, Walker Bueller's going to, I think he's going to be, he's going to shine a little more. And, you know, the GM being in the fantasy league, that's so messed up. Get out of here.

It's not too out of the realm of things. We've had managers in coaches and stuff. I don't know about front office ever in ours, but definitely when you got guys with brains like a freedman, you probably don't want them in your fantasy league. You want to be. He probably got good insight into how he probably get good insight into his trade offers. I mean, maybe. I'm kicking those guys out right away. I want all the idiots in my league. I don't want any smart people in my league.

I mean, dude, Jack, Jack Peterson was reportedly traded for like 48 hours this offseason. Like, imagine that. Like, you know, you just, you just move me in my family. Like, I don't know. I think fantasy sports is nice and light. Like, let's not. do that. And he did rank the fantasy players in the team, which I thought was great.

Because we definitely got to clip that out and put it out there to ruffle some feathers. Oh, yeah. And what was that? Daddy, Daddy Kirshaw, fronts stripling? Is that what we found out there? That's a thing. That's a thing. Yeah. Yeah. Well, I mean, Flaherty's backed by someone in your league, right? It's me and Jack. Oh, okay. There it is. Yeah, yeah. That was the first time we ever met you at We're bar and you got a FaceTime from Jack Flaherty asking who you guys, who should we start? We got, yeah, it was a tough, it was a tough, uh, tough year for us this year, but usually we're pretty good too. I, I love fantasy football. So, all right. You got, you, you got a FaceTime from Flaherty. I had a missed call from my mom. It was, uh, we had some beers. That was a good time.

Simpler time. You stepped on my brother's shoes. Trev, how you doing, dude? Like, you, you've got everyone a little emotional on the internet today. that was I do I mean I was thinking about Hooters I don't know I mean that that video is that Kyle probably made that that video with the under the sad song underneath it. It's pretty funny. I mean don't you miss the days where you could walk into a Hooters get 40 ounce beers poured for you and just have some fun with the boys yes I don't know when we're going

to be able to do that next dude next year we got a whole tour bus I already have it planned. I'm going to be staying in scary nice hotel that's a joke for people that don't understand that I was joking but maybe oh you I thought you were serious yeah I mean I want to have a tour bus I don't have it already right if you have a plan that's how shit happens so we'll worry now well it's tour bus in Florida and it's a house in Arizona yeah I'm excited now we're doing both yeah yeah the Arizona a house, you know, families and synics and others can just use it while we're out at the ballpark. That way we don't, that way we don't leave our families. We'll talk about the details later.

Thanks for listening to talking baseball. It's all, it's all nonsense anyway. None of this is official. I'm not bringing my family to spring train. You kidding me? They stay at the house, Trev, while we go watch baseball. Love you, babe. Jake sucks.