Talkin' Baseball (MLB Podcast) - 160 | The Players Respond + Voicemails!

Episode Date: June 19, 2020

The MLBPA delivered a counterproposal to the league Thursday for a 70-game season and it seems like there is real momentum to get this thing done. The guys also answer your voicemails! How would Plouffe fare against himself as a pitcher? Do we like the Mariners' long-term plan? How bad have the negotiations really been for baseball? Leave us a voicemail at 917-426-2796! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Welcome back to talking baseball. We got more offers passed back and forth, but more importantly, we got a ton of voicemails from you guys. Let's do it. What's going on, everybody? Welcome back to Talking Baseball. My name is Jimmy. I got Jake sitting right next to me, Trevor Plouf on the big screen.

He's coming to us from California and BBD in the corner. It is June 18th as we record this 420 on a 30 Thursday. on the 30th Thursday of the year officially. And there's a lot of voicemails to get to, but there's also some stuff we've got to talk about first, Jake. Are you excited to do more labor talk? It's all I like. I'm becoming a labor expert.

I think I'm going to, I think I can officially add that to the resume. And yeah, man, Jim, you know I like to fake, give myself a lot of credit or a good fake pat on the back. I've kind of been hot lately on this. You have. You have. The last two chess moves I've nailed.

I knew the owners were going to hate the players' counter. And then what was the other one? I don't know. I'm two for my last two, and I'm going to take that to the grave. I think you're even more than that. I think you've been pretty good on this. Thank you. Trev, how are you doing?

I'm doing all right. I'm pretty stoked that we started at 420. that was not planned. I do partake, so it means something to me. Who's your source for all this info? You must be a fucking stud, huh? You're, well, okay. I'm excited to hear your tidbits.

I hate it. I'm so sick of the business side of baseball. Here's the deal, Trev. I'm giving us 10 to 15 minutes. I think Jake gave us 12 minutes of updates. before we get to the voicemails. Because I feel like it's our 10th episode on this. But I want to start it off because I'm upset with the players.

The when and where we applauded them. We said they put Manfred in the corner. I don't know who's advising Manfred, but he just flipped the whole fucking thing on him. He basically did Ali Rope-a-Dope. I'm going to take a million punches and I'm just going to throw one huge one because go look at the public opinion right now. The players had it.

They had it. Everyone. We were like, I've never seen the players win the PR battle and go look at it right now. The when and where backfired. Because as soon as you say when and where, and I understand the nuances. Don't, like don't get me wrong. I understand the grievance is like another added wrinkle and there's nuances. But to say when and where, fuck it.

Give us a one and where. And then get a proposal and then counter. you look bad. So I'm mad they were playing such a great game and I feel like they fumbled they fumbled in late in the fourth quarter. I mean, I don't want to agree with you. I really don't.

But it just, I'm sick of it. You know, I don't think the when and aware thing was like a bluff. But somehow, because people want, players wanted that. Like just shut up and tell us when to play. But somehow, yeah, MLB turned it into a bluff. They got called.

Yeah. So here we are. Two sides that sat down together, or two people sat down together and can't remember the conversation. And we're nowhere. We've gone nowhere. The only thing we've seen them agree upon is they're going to put some stupid logos on the jersey for the next two years. Yeah, we've submitted our offer. We're going to put some John Boy Media logos right on the heart, we think.

I'm going to say it again. I'm so sick of the business side of baseball. Jake, do you have anything to add? We might not even run up against the 12-minute. Yeah, like you said, Manfred played a great card. We thought that at first, Manfred had the nuclear option of the 48-game season. The players called his bluff on that. the players, now they have their nuclear option, and it's the grievance, which the owners are

clearly in fear of. And here we are, 10 games apart. And I think it was funny today, and I fought it. I don't know if I fought it just to be contradictory, but everyone was saying that, yeah, you know, players will come back with 70, 72, owners will counterback, and here we are. And I said no, because the negotiations have not gone like that the entire time. We haven't seen an actual amicable negotiation. And Rob Manfred played his best card when he left. And again, this is where the media is powerful in what Jim said, with the impact of how everyone is now reacting and mad at the players

for getting their offer and not wanting to play. The players never agreed to anything. But Uncle Bobby leaked something through a reporter who will not be named for this exercise. Let's call him John Heyman. And he leaked it through this reporter that the public perception was baseball is back. We've done it. We've made it through the shitstorm. We're still going to be the first sport back.

Beautiful. The players never agreed to anything. Less than an hour later, the players union came out with an announcement saying they never agreed to something. And guess what? The word was already out. The public perception had changed. And it was an impressive card. And I guess that is what Bobby Manfred learned at Cornell Negotiation School

because it was a great card to play. I mean, where do we go from here? Like, everybody has learned so much about the ins and outs of the game. So when all this, let's just flash forward to 2025. whatever. I'm there. What are we doing? What's our perception of the game going to be?

Is it going to be happy, go lucky, we're just happy to see baseball? Or are we now so good at spotting all this BS that we're going to be cynical of every single move that baseball does? Like, it's just, like the joy has been sucked out of the game for me right now. Oh, no, no, no, you can be cynical and still be full of joy. That's how I live my life. I think I get it from my father. I'm very cynical. I'm very cynical person.

But once baseball starts and the games are being played and there's teams scoring runs and rallying to take the lead, I'm not going to sit here and tell you I'm not going to be fully immersed in that, whether it's a 14-game season, whether it's just playoffs. If it's a skills competition, I'll be out. But if it's nine inning games with a winner at the end, Like, I'll lose myself in that easily, but still be very cynical. I live both worlds at once.

Okay. I just, I don't know, man. You know, a lot of people who are casual fans and just wanted to watch the games, see players play, now they're getting a crash course in business and the economics of baseball. I just think it kind of, you know, like they say don't meet your hero. Mm-hmm. You know, and I feel like people are meeting their hero and they're disappointed. It could be. Jake and I kind of had a conversation that the gamesmanship of all these counters has kind of been fun.

I mean, everyone's talking about it. Baseball has been fucking hot since like October. As soon as the World Series ended, like baseball has not left the news cycle. For better or for worse. Well, I don't think there's anything good. That's, that's, I don't make good headlines. It'd be a real shame if in 2025, you know, some of these baseball teams that are worth billions of dollars. were worth zero because the John Boy Professional Baseball League

had started and started their own league of 30 teams and players get taken care of paid and, you know, baseball is on TV for people to watch. You know, just some little things that we change about the game. The JPA. Are we buying a league? Creating. Creating.

Us and Kyrie, taking over the sports world. New leagues. New league life. All right, let's kick it straight to voicemails. And Jake, you kind of open this one up. So we'll start here. What up, fellas. What up, fellas.

It's Bubak. Oh, gosh. I know I tweeted it out, but I just want to make this known to the world my feelings about John Heyman, how he can just eat a bug. Eat a million bugs. I don't care. I've never liked him, but I believe him today. and he broke my heart.

So I'm down. Peace, fella. So we're not naming him, but yeah. I second the motion from Bubak, who's a regular caller to talk in Yanks and makes our jingles. He makes the tidbits jingles. Heyman, can eat a bug. Was that a question or?

No, no, I just like a statement. Okay. A lot of statements going around these days. Tons of statements. All right, here we go. Next voice. Hi, guys. Playoff Glaber here. I want to talk about how I don't feel like this is a bad look for baseball. I feel like this is actually a pretty good look for baseball because the players are very pro playing. It's not like basketball, how Kyrie Irving is coming out. Like ESPN made a post on Instagram compiling all of the players' tweets. Just talking about how everybody wants to play. It's the owners. that are pro not playing or against playing, I guess.

Anyway, I just want to know you guys, good-looking baseball, is it a bad-look baseball? I think the players are giving the game a good look how much they want to play, how much they really want to play. All right. Bye guys. Okay. Playoff Glaber there, Turro.

What do you think, Treb? I think the win and the wear was great for a few days, and now it's kind of backfired. a little bit. It's backfired so bad. I don't think this is a good look for baseball. I don't. Yeah, I think. I'm trying to find the silver lining and maybe, you know, there is something good that's going to come out of this. I don't know. I don't see it right now. Maybe I'm just like, I'm beat down. I'm beat down. Yeah. I think the player's side has shown that they know playing

baseball is good for baseball and the other side still kind of hasn't shown that. And I think that that was the big difference, and now all the media juju has been lost. I had a good spin on the Astros thing, where I kept saying people who never watch baseball once heard about the cheating scandal and they asked questions. How'd they do it? What did they do? Why did they do it? What are the signs? Why do they, you know, all that stuff?

And my spin was in those answers, you learned about baseball and the intricacies and what makes it such a fun. and pitch selection and all that. I don't have a spin for this. It has been in the news cycle, but I think at this point right now, it's a bad look. Any casual fan has to be incredibly turned off. Yeah.

All right. Next. Dylan and August of the game, what their level of interest is. Love you guys. Thanks. Oh, Trev, I'll go first because you got a baseball wife. Sure. Go ahead. Did she, did Olivia enjoy baseball before you guys became an item?

Did she show interest in, did she root you on and it was very like fake and you were like, babe, I don't like need your fake support or was she into it from the get-go? Put it this way. She doesn't listen to our pod. She told me that baseball was only interesting to her when I was playing. So she wasn't into baseball I mean we met when she was 19 years old So who knows you know whatever

But she definitely wasn't like knowledgeable about the game She's definitely you know earned her stripe She knows about the game now She sat through a lot of innings Yeah Traveled with me All that but she's

She likes you know My buddies She's interested in how they're doing But like if you're asking me If you're going to sit down and watch a game No All right. Well, about Jess?

Yeah, not too into it. We kind of live separate worlds in there. She gets some laughs out of me. If there's a baseball game on and it's 0-0 in the third inning, she'll just walk by the scream and go, Boring, which is a good joke. That's a good joke. That's just a lifelong joke.

And I got her a shirt from our website, go check it out. a baseball is fun shirt. And sometimes she pretends to scream that this shirt is a lie in public. So she takes some jabs at baseball. Not super sporty debate club. Likes to work. So sometimes opposites attract. All right.

Yeah, Katie definitely didn't watch baseball before. She claimed to be a Red Sox fan because she went to Boston once and she had a Red Sox hat. And I was quickly like, well, that, you're not a red, that doesn't count. The deal breaker. Right away, like, well, there's not even count. Like, I'm not even going to get upset about this because it doesn't even count. You just have the hat.

We switched it for a Yankee hat. Katie will surprise me. She can name, like, the whole roster. And some people might think, well, obviously, she's dating you. But I watched the game in my own room in my own room in a desk. You know what I mean? Like, I don't know, like we've watched many games ago. So I was shocked how much she knew.

I think she enjoys watching very surface level. You guys aren't dating anymore. just so you know. We're engaged. We're engaged to date forever. I will say that Olivia would love to go to a baseball game. Like, that's what baseball really, really has going for it, is the fact that it's outside.

You don't really have to, like, pay attention the whole time because there's a lot of downtime. So it's really like a social event during the summer where you can drink beers and hang out. A good day for baseball. She likes that. I have an update for you, So we just released our company-wide statement.

First statement in the history of the company. Kevin Shockey retweeted it. I don't know who that is. Philly sports guy. Just people in the biz, like real people. That's kind of fun. Saw Martina, give it some love. It's a good statement.

Gets the point across. Go check it out on Twitter. All right. Next voicemail. Where's the voicemails? Hey, talking baseball, fam. This is Matthew from Charlotte, North Carolina. I know that I'll be on a certain team, the 2020 season is just a lot unfolding every minute.

But how is this going to affect the CDA agreement in 2021 in layman's terms and how this realistically good affect the future of baseball between players, owners, and the fans? Thank you all for all you do. Awesome, Michelle and keep it up. Thank you very much. Nasty? Somebody call himself? I think Matthew, but we'll call him nasty Matthew.

Nasty Matthew. I'll go, Jim, because this funnels into one of my theories that I think. I stumbled into. I mean, we're still going to get baseball at some point. I don't know if the Manfred 48 nuclear option comes back. I don't know if we do meet in the middle. I don't know if one of the sides caves closer to 60 or 70 at this point. Everything I've been told and informed about the players union is that they're tight enough that if the 48 game nuke is hit, they'll file a grievance, but they will still play those baseball games. Trevor, correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe we'll get baseball in some sort.

And then just at the time when we're enjoying baseball and maybe the new playoff format is cool and we had a good time, we are going to be right back in the shit. And it's probably going to be ugly. Probably uglier than this. Yeah, these sides hate each other. It's going to be so ugly. I didn't listen to the question. I have to be honest.

I'm not very good at these voicemail episodes. I was reading our company-wide statement, which was... It's a good statement. It's a pretty funny. What was the question? Give me like a little. What does this mean for the upcoming CBA negotiations? Means a lot.

Yeah. It's not good for it. Hopefully I think we're going to, I do. I'm okay with that because that means like, will Rob or Manfred or Tony Clark be involved? What? Will Clark and Manfred be involved in 2021 CBA? Don't put me on the spot like that.

I don't know. Okay. Okay. Is there, like, a world where, like, in the last 24 hours, they brought in, like, the universal DH stuff is here to stay and a couple other things. Like, does that help at all for moving forward? No, because I don't think, I don't think anyone was divided on the DH.

The players wanted it and the league wanted it. Like, that's like, there was actually not true. It is true, Trev. Wow. Players, the reason it hasn't been implemented already is because players have been split on it. pictures like that hit i think i think like i would say most players just don't really care but there has been some pushback and that's why it hasn't been implemented

those players are buttheads well i think you know the general feeling is that it'll save veterans jobs like maybe a prolong careers a little bit but there's also a sentiment and a group of players who think it'll take away jobs from pinch runner utility type guys in national league teams. So it's not unanimously like, yeah, let's do it. But the four-man bench helps that out. I'm just telling you what I hear. All right.

Well, I don't think to answer your question, maybe I don't think that's the biggest point. Not that one specifically. The service time and the arbitration, what goes into an arbitration hearing and what stats can they actually arbitrate against. It's going to be gross. I've got something because I got into the weeds this morning and that was a bad time. But I don't know. I think one thing that we've come to see BIDA's in this whole thing was that they didn't put a deadline on it. And now, you know, here we are.

Rob Manfred and Tony Clark met and sat in a room and that was the most progress we've gotten in three months. A, why didn't it happen two months earlier? So with the CBA, I believe that does have a timeline on it. So maybe some backs against the wall We'll get some negotiations done earlier But that's the most optimistic spin I can find It's going to be ugly I'll back you up against a wall

Hey, let's do this Let's do this No soundboard Let's paint a picture Of what that meeting looked like Since nobody knows There was two people Let's try to paint a picture for

I don't think it happened Oh Johnboy from the table at a house? Was it at a hotel? I got it at Dunkin' Donuts. Hotel bar. Were they sitting at a table six feet apart from each other?

Were they masked? What was going on? I really, really would love to see. All I know. Was there water on the table? Were there refreshments? Trev, all I know is every sentence started with. My side really would like this.

And my guys are telling me I can't leave this meeting until we get this. And my guys and my guys because they're just puppets. and they're like, well, I'd have to ask my people about that one. Well, I don't know if, you know, I got some guys in my ear that aren't going to like that. Tony Clark wore a massive suit. Yeah, or jean shorts. Massive suit. Just making- Do you think they walked up to each other and were like, this is a shit show, huh?

So cordial. What state do you think it happened in? I think they said Arizona, right? Yeah. Damn. They should have done it in New Jersey or New York because that's a one-party consent state. and then someone could have recorded it on the other person. They probably look into that shit.

There were snacks. There was refreshments. There were snacks, yeah. I think there might have been some. I think they shared a meal. How do you not have someone else in the room? How do you not have another person in the room to take notes? The first thing you do when you start a company, you know, all the advice is, you know, take notes of every meeting that you're in.

How do you not remember any? I hate it. I don't think it happened because I'm so mad about it. Did you think they shook hands? Or like dapped it up? I think they were very cordial. I think they were laughing. Rob, Tony, how you doing?

Fuck, this got out of hand, didn't it? Good to see you. Yeah. Didn't think we'd be here, huh? My side is mad. I think they're as mad at me as they are at you. Yeah. 112.

You didn't they ordered some food? Maybe some pizza? 112 games. That was a good one, Tony. 112 was good. It was 114. Do you think it was like the old lawyers when they get together and they all huddle up at like someone's house and they order Chinese food to eat it straight out the box.

Do you think it was like that? Classic, a few good men scene. No, I don't think that's what you do with Chinese food out of a box. I think there was subliminal. Like, I think they ordered, they ordered an app to share. And Tony Clark was like, I will take, you know what, I'm only going to take 45% of this app. Yeah. And you can.

What? You're going to eat that last bite? No, no, you have it. There's seven. There's seven dumplings. I'll take three of the dumplings. and you can have four. What if they just played like rock paper scissors?

Like whoever wins, like, let's just call it. Who do you think was the first person to say like... They both kept throwing rock and like, whatever. Don't care. Someone dropped a line like, well, we both know what this is really about. At some point that line was dropped. Ooh. Tony went serious first.

Oh, man. Tony went serious first. Rob was trying to delay it as long as possible. Tony towers over Rob. You know what Tony should have done right away? Tony should have like dapped him up in some like young hip way, you know, like do, and Manfred would have been straight-laced handshake and he would just would have been uncomfortable right away. Tony, Tony Clark 1,000 percent went both hand handshake to basically put Manfred's hand in a clamp

of two massive burgers. Tony can handshake. Like he can dab it up. He's got all that because he's got to go through the clubhouses. That is 100%. He's got that on lock. Yeah. that's a great negotiating tactic to start a meeting off.

You're so right, Jim. Yeah. Just go in there, bang it out. Rob's like, I am way too old and white for this. Yeah. Robert Manfred's also really embarrassed about his hands. He's got tiny little hands. I don't know if that's true, but... They're always cold. They're always clammy.

Always cold. Who drove? Man, okay, also. I just want to sit back and watch the Red. I can't believe it took a fucking pandemic worldwide for the Reds to not win the 2020 World Series. Fuck Robert Manfred. So that's on par.

So he's, you know, I think the Reds have a great, great, chance in a short season. They're one of the teams. I have completely forgot about who's on what team. Luis Castile. I cannot wait. Sunny Gray, Trevor, Bauer. 48, 60, 65, 70,

whatever it lands out. So we can start getting our takes ready so someone could be like, I think the Reds got it now. Reds, pirates are battling it out. I think I'm on a big Mets kick. I think I'm in on the Mets. Baseball team? Yeah.

Yeah, they got a rotation. Thor is out. I've flipped on the Nats, too. Short in season, I love the Nats. Repeat. Mad Dogg Russo, back in five. Mud Dog. Are you guys cool?

You guys beefing? I don't know, man. Trevor Palf! I just don't want him to say stupid shit on MLB Network. You have a platform to promote the game and all you do is shit on, like... I did Dave 35 times. Shit on Bryce Harper. Like, I could care less what...

It really is... It really is sad that there's people on MLB Network just... just crapping on the players. Yeah. It's going to be tough for old Mad Dog to get guys to come on his show after that little display. And, like, I don't know if he cares. He probably loves it. I mean, he's trying to, look.

I don't know. When you come to winter meetings with us. I don't have no idea about that. But apparently he had a great career before all this. He is like, he's just trying to stay relevant now. He is pioneer of sports radio. Him and Francesa basically spearheaded sports radio as we know. Like didn't exist.

before them kind of. I can't stand either of those guys. And I've only taken in a small amount of their content, but it was enough for me to be like, I don't, I will never watch anything that they do. I mean, it's kind of fading out. It's fading out, but I will tell you back in the day it was very, very good when they were younger and working together. But anyway, so was Jason Giambi. And I was good too. And then Jake, like he said, I knew. You knew it was time. Although we could still get you back in the league. I was going to say something and I forget. Oh, when you come to winter meetings with us, Trev, you got a. they put Mad Dog in like the middle of Radio Row.

And he's usually like higher up. And he's just yelling out of the players. And like the whole room is just like. It's almost like there's a disconnect between the MLB. And thinking that Mad Dog Russo is still the face of what their media product should be. Huh. I promise this. If I'm at Winter's Meetings.

Yeah. And Mad Dog is there. Yep. I will use the dep him up tactic. I don't think he shakes hands. Really cool. And he'll have no idea what hit him. Yeah, I'm going to guess he's not a handshaker.

Probably the clammyest hands you'll shake too if you get to shake him. I got him as a clammy hand guy. Yeah, he's probably, I mean, I don't know. I really don't want to talk about the guy because it's like, I'm just going to say stuff that's mean. We're moving on. He's like an older guy. We're moving on.

Next voicemail. Hey, guys, this is Sam from Madison, Wisconsin, and I'm not entirely sure what you guys want out of these messages, but here I go. Since I'm a Brewer's fan, I wanted to know if you guys have a favorite Brewers player and or moment of all time. Keep up the great work.

Take care, guys. Thanks. It's a great question, Sam. It's a great question, Sam. And I'll go first and say I don't have the greatest brewer's moment of all time. but if you want me to just think of the most recent one, it's the Grisham error because we just watched it, and I don't want to say that because it's mean.

That is mean. Can I say something that I think gets overlooked in baseball history? C.C. Sabathia on the Brewers. Look that shit up. That's awesome. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That's awesome. That was a fun team to watch.

You might never see an athlete put himself out there like that again. Well, not until the JPL starts. The JPL. Yeah, that's true. I mean, we kind of saw it. Like Bumgarner did it. too. Yeah, he did it in 2012. Yeah.

But I mean, that was like for his team, if that makes sense. Like, Cece was clear, he was a rental before his big free agent payday and went out there and threw every three days. And hit a home run in the way. It's a monster. I will tell Sam. Yelich is pretty cool. Yelch is cool.

Yeah, Yel is awesome. Moose is a friend. Moose. I will tell Sam from Madison, Wisconsin, that I probably have. had a top five night in my life in Madison, Wisconsin. Madtown. What you do? It's not really for the air.

Okay. We could talk after. All right. Give us one hint. Give us one teaser. Big, had a lot of fun. Okay. All right.

That's a good teaser. Useless. A lot of fun. Mix results on the hint. All right. Next voice, ma'am. Okay. Hello.

This Ryan from Florida. Quick question. Moving forward, you know, kids playing high school, baseball, Lutel League and all this stuff. Minor leagueers getting cut, released because of all this pandemic, because of this pandemic. How do you think, or what do you think about going forward if it's going to be, there's going to be no motivation for high school players to try to, you know,

squeeze into D1 schools or they're going to fall to other sports like basketball, football. I mean, it's common. And, yeah. Love the podcast and looking forward to your answer. Thanks, Ryan. I'm a little confused. The draft's going back to normal, right?

Like, is his question... I think it depends on the CBA. But what was his question? I don't know what his question was either. But, yeah, I want to answer it, but I don't know the question. See what you answer. I don't think the corona season changes, like, if you're a freshman in high school, you're still like, you know, going to...

Your life wasn't changed, I don't think, in your journey to play baseball. I should probably let the professional baseball player speak on it, but I think the question was about, like, long-term health. Like, there's kids who are nine years old now who now didn't play baseball, don't want to go back next year. There's also stuff with, like, the colleges now have more players returning than usual, so there's less playing time for young guys. Guys getting squeezed out.

There's stuff there. I don't remember the exact verb. is, yeah, the college thing is an interesting case study because there's 11.7 scholarships per D1 team, which doesn't make any sense at all because you get at least 25 guys in that baseball team. And so now a lot of these guys who would have been drafted are like, no, I'm not going to take that 20 grand. I'm going to go back.

And now the schools are like, well, we thought you were not going to be here. We gave away your scholarship for this upcoming season. They're going to have to do something with that. I don't know, man. Yeah, I think bigger picture. This whole thing is not good for the game. It's not good for the game. Bigger picture, I mean, I think people are more worried about,

I mean, football and head injuries and kids playing and stuff. Like baseball has an opportunity to grow. I mean, I think Peewee football, the numbers are going down, and kids got to play some sport. So, I don't know. So there's plenty of. of opportunity for baseball. They do need to make sure they don't fuck up the draft.

Because like we've said, and even about the minor league reduction and stuff, did baseball need to trim the fat a little bit? Yes. And I think they can do that. But someone made a great point about the MLB draft that it's the sport that gives you the best chance to become a professional. Even if that's high A. Hearn.

Yeah. I mean, that is impactful. That is impactful. Yeah. I mean, I'd be wishful thinking, but yeah, I mean, still more kids play baseball than football, right? Well, I've said this a lot, you know, with that, like, to your point, Jake, you know, I'm a parent. Yes, apparently. I have Big Baby David as one of my sons.

I would not let Big Baby David play football. No. I would. So there is an opportunity. He's much too fragile, not physically. I'd let him know. I think soccer is picking up a lot of those athletes, but another thing that I'll say about, you know, like kind of where our country's headed is, you know, our biggest, you know, immigration

population, people coming in is like Central America, Latin America. And guess what? Those countries love baseball. So, like, it's going to be here. Like, baseball is going to be around. My dad signed me up for football when I lived in Illinois, middle school. And I was like, I don't want to do that, though, dad. He was like, why?

I said, because you practice more than you practice. play. He didn't really have a counter. He didn't really, it was like, I don't want to practice five times to play one game. I'd rather play three games and practice once, like baseball. And my dad, you know, he was like, wow, I have a smart son. A decent counter. Yeah. He didn't, like, you know what I mean?

It's so stupid for football. Practice so much. Dude, you can't, I mean, dude, you can't play that many games. Yeah, so why you got practice so much? Got no plays. Because you got to be tough, bro. Execution. You guys would know nothing about that.

Execute. Oh, here's a good one. Hi, this message is for Jake. Jake, tell me about your first bad Tuesday. What was it like? What started the chain and this horrible string of Tuesdays that's lasted, I don't know, 30-ish years? Yeah.

The Tuesday train didn't start for you until, like, adulthood, though. Thank you. Thank you for calling in and a great request. I just think, A, and maybe this was my early jump on the take wagon, Monday has such a bad reputation. And Monday's a fine day. Monday's necessary. Get your rhythm back. Recover from the weekend.

There's no expectations on Monday. You could, if you do nothing on a Monday and you're in a workplace and you're just like, oh, Monday's killing me. And everyone just nods their head and they're like, yep. You say that on Tuesday. Everyone's like, you're kind of being an hour. asshole, like get it together. So, um, my first bad Tuesday, let me see if I've got it here. I want to say I was born on a Tuesday. Let's see if that's right. How else do I look? What do I

type in? Just type in like 1989 calendar. Mayan calendar? 1999 October calendar. You were born the 11th? Well, it looks like it was a Wednesday. Okay, so the day before that sucked. Yeah, you were born on a Wednesday. I didn't want to come out. Yeah. I refused. I appreciate Jake, but I'm very much more traditional where Monday is the buffer day that sucks.

And then by the time Tuesday comes in, I'm like, all right, let's fucking do it. I'm ready to roll. I'm a big Thursday guy. Well, of course, man. Everyone's a Thursday guy. Thursday is essentially the start of the weekend. Yeah. What are your least favorite days?

Top three. Hmm. It just depends what time of my life. I was it. Wednesday for me sucks. When, why? Because you're not like towards the end of the week. You're not still like getting into the groove of things. Kind of middle area. The start of Wednesday is tough. But once you're post-lunch Wednesday, like that's Thursday. Yeah, you're set the end of the weekend. Post-lunch Wednesday is not Thursday.

Basically. I like to clarify that. Tuesday's the worst day of the week. God, you got. You kind of got to get a point there, Jake. I hate to give that to you. Sunday night sucks, kind of. Scary. You know?

Unless you like good to HBO shows. When I was playing, it's like you do the day game thing on Sunday and you got like a night to go out and like have a dinner. So I used to love Sunday nights because it meant like I got to go to a restaurant and hang out with like and kind of like be,

live a little normal. But now. Not into it that much. Yeah. All right. Game of Thrones really ruined it for me because they had a horrible seven season. They did. Those idiots.

Next. Okay. I just have a question. My name's Aaron. Even if the season starts and there's an extended playoffs, it's notorious for the playoffs to be really, really cold and very uncomfortable to play in. So if it's extended, it's going to get way too close. I mean, maybe not even able to play baseball.

So what's going to happen in that situation? How are we going to play? Like, in some miracle that the twins get in, for example, it's going to be really cold. Are they going to go to Arizona? How's it going to work out? I think the easy answer is that they're starting the playoffs earlier. Season's going to end on the 27th instead of, like, the second. That's an extra week to do the first couple rounds.

They've also said that they could move it to a neutral site if need be. due to Corona, which would also make sense to go somewhere that's domed at that point. Yeah, it's still a bummer. I mean, it's not that cold, dude. Like, baseball gets played in the cold all the time. April's freezing. True. Go play baseball in Minnesota and April.

It's freezing. Chicago freezing. Do you ever wear a mask? Like a ski mask? No. I didn't want anyone to think, like, I was, like, hurting out there. Yeah. Remember when Jake Arrieta pitched in the freezing cold with, like,

no undershirt and everyone was like, dude, you don't need to do that. He's crazy. He's like legitimately crazy though. But in a good way. Like the best way possible. What, uh, like, what's your weather scale for playing baseball? Like, 100 degrees or 40 degrees?

I have to pick 100 or 40 degrees. Yeah. Like, I'm wondering where the numbers line up. That blows. If it's just a one game situation, I would go 100 degrees. But if it's like a week long of that, shoot, man, I might go 40 to be honest with you. drains you, dude. It's tough.

What about 68 and sunny? Or 80 and thunderstorms? What? Tough. I just keep thinking about how I'm going to dab mad dog roost about the next time I see you. Did you hit well in the rain? Mud dog. Mud dog.

That was a good one by you. Hitting was always tough enough anyways. If there was ever a raindrop and I was hitting, I was a total puddle, pun intended. I loved it Really? Yeah It seemed like so dramatic You walk up to the plate

Yeah you would like that It's raining It's like a movie bra It's like a movie bro And and You know Nobody wants to be out there In the rain

So you could like kind of hit A ball somewhere Usually you'll be caught And the players are like fuck that Okay You got a good hitter's mentality I want to tell you that Not enough people would tell you

All the bad stuff Okay You're an elements guy I wasn't I learned that you could use it to your advantage If you just like just told yourself Like what is a Patrick Swayze say in Roadhouse Like pain don't hurt You don't use it you lose it

Yeah like that's how I felt about the elements like Cold isn't cold All the pretty boys are too scared So you gotta get a little grit in your mind set Yeah Next voicemail Hey guys this is Pete from twins' territory How are you doing? Quick comment.

I think you should simplify this in terms of comparing it to like the NFL. If we were to reduce the 162 game baseball season to 48 or 70 games, it would be like reducing the NFL season from five to seven games and then still allowing a half or two-thirds of the teams to participate in the playoffs. I have no sympathy for the owners. Since Target Field opened, Trev, in 2010, the price of a hot dog, which was $4, the last year at the Metrodome, is now $7 at Target Field this past year. That's a 75% increase. A surly Furious, which was $6, the first year of Target Field, 10 years later, last year was $11.

That's an 83% increase. increase in price. So just a comment. Simplify things for us and let's talk. Keep up the good job. All right. Yeah. I love that one.

Thank you from Minnesota. All in. I am interested in the increase in prices nationwide. So if anyone wants to call in and let us know the 2010 prices compared to the 2020 prices, we'll get BBD to make a full list. Full list. Movie theater in my town in California went up 50. 50 cents every year.

And it was kind of like you knew it was going to happen and you knew the amount it was going to happen. So you were never surprised by it. So you were never upset about it. And then, you know, like four years go by and it's two full dollars more. And you're like, hold up. Why have I been accepting this? So that would be my strategy as an owner.

That's the Netflix model. Yeah. I'd just be like every year, 25 cents increase. We're going to like celebrate it. Like as a new year. We got to a higher mark, you know. Maybe the last game of the season is 25 cent night because it's going up 25 cents. Yeah, yeah.

Marketing. He's a marketing major. We're a good pair. We're a good threesome now. BPD, quads? Do you have them? All right. Thank you.

No, you're all over it. Kind of wasn't one. But it involved you. No, look, I get what he's saying. Thanks. Shorter season sucks. More twins callers. Shorten season sucks.

Shorten the season but expanded playoffs makes no sense to me. Obviously, it's the money. Crap shoot. I've been saying for a long time that this whole like Atlanta Falcons thing they did with the concessions being like super cheap needs to be like mandated league-wide. The JPL, man. Yeah, JPA will have cheap food. You only got to have two options though.

It's also not going to have a lot of options because... Just normal food. But that's fine. Yeah, yeah. That's what I don't get. It just doesn't make sense to me, and I'm just a basic human idiot. But if you offered like a $6 chicken Sammy and $6 beers, I'd have a field day. I went to one, I went to four colleges, five actually.

One of them had like a deluxe cafeteria. So many options. You walk in, there's like 12 different lines you can join, ethnic foods, all different times. I hated it. Just give me one line. Tell me what I'm eating today. I'll pay for it. So that's what the JPL is going to have.

Just cafeteria style. What's Thursday? Spicy chicken. Awesome. Give it to me. Friday is hot dogs. Do people enjoy that? And I haven't been to a lot of baseball games, but I've heard, you know, I know Olivia enjoyed like when a stadium had something unique besides like nachos and hot dogs.

But that's because she went a lot. Got to have one poll. She's like, I don't want to just sit and eat hot dogs and nachos. And I don't think you want me to do that either. I'm like, yeah, you're right. But do people Other people who go to A casual fan

You go to three or four games a year Are you like Stoke that they have like A salad bar or like some like Regional restaurant or Do people who just want a hot dog when they go to a game? It's like one of those things It's synonymous with baseball

I don't go to a lot I'm a hot dog guy The Yankees have chicken buckets Which are very popular amongst Yankee Yankee fans It's just a bucket A bucket full of fries and chicken food I like having one specialty, and they now have, like, an MLB Expo every year.

Like, what's each place of specialty? And I like that. Just in case you're one of those people that you do, you know, you like going to visit stadiums or something, you know. Texas Rangers, I think they got the, like, two-foot-long hot dog. Crickets and Safeco. Crickets in Safeco. Dude, I've been handling a lot of crickets lately. How's the lizard catching going?

Lizard catching is done. We bought a lizard, so I didn't have to catch any more lizards. It's huge. Why don't you just keep the one you caught? Love the one you're with. Because those ones wouldn't eat. They're, like, terrified because you caught them. Yeah, basically stole them from their home.

Oh, cool. So instead, you just go get the lizard that's been born into slavery. Yeah, I mean, that really sucks that you put it that way. Now I feel horrible owning a bearded dragon. But apparently they like to be owned and they like to be like held. And birds like being in cages. We get it. Don't listen.

I'm an animal activist, I guess. We just took a puppy from a farm. For the last 30 seconds. He just took a puppy from a farm. For the last 30 seconds. I'm out. Don't make me... You've got a bearded dragon?

You didn't send us any pictures of this yet. I think I did. Sent me one. Wasn't a lizard, though. Weiling. Yeah, I'm not going to expose you right now on talking baseball at gym. You called me out. I'm not going to call you out.

I'm taking the high road. Oh. Okay. Appreciate it. Speaking of Crickets and Safeco. Hey, guys. I know you guys don't talk much about Mariners Baseball. I was wondering if you guys think that their farm system is actually going to be able to come up.

And if you guys think Evan White is worth the contract that he signed this past year going straight from AA up to the Middle League level. I know it's kind of hard to predict without knowing what's going on this season, but I'm hoping he does. Also, what the hell is? going on with the players. What's going on with baseball? Just come on now. One story, one minute. The next story of the next minute. You guys nailed it with your presentation. Great job. Love the podcast. Keep doing your guys' thing.

So, Jake, you're our minor league expert with the Mariners? Yeah, so Evan White got one of those our guy, Scott Kingery-type deals. He got an MLB contract before he's played a game. He's supposed to be a solid first baseman. And, hey, we've given guys like Yelly and a couple of other guys credit for signing their contract before everything's gone down because who knows what contracts are going to look like. So credit to Evan White for getting the contract before he's played a down of NFL football. What was it? I think it was, it was one of those things that was spread out. I want to say it was like six for 50 or maybe it was five for 25. No, that's way too much. Five for 25 seems better. With like three club options? Something like that.

Those are tough, man. I mean, I say they're tough, then you like people roll their eyes like the guy is a multimillionaire and has done nothing yet yeah i mean little risk for the team little risk for the player but yeah the future of contracts right no arbitration none of that stuff um i don't know hope hope for both sides he's good how about he spent all of 19 and double a yeah but i think the mariners are kind of one of the teams that do that like they sent justice Sheffield down there. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, you're right. I don't know anything about Evan White.

I'm sorry. I love the Mariners are fun. They've got some young guys coming up. Kellanick? Six years 24 million. Six years 24. You know, Evan White got. Here is my take on all of those contracts.

The club just has to hit on one of them so they can dish out two, three, four of those. You know, they trust their teams. that evaluate the players. And if they think, hey, we got a guy that's going to be a pretty good big leaguer with the possibility of being an All-Star, they throw those contracts out. And like I said, all they have to do is hit on one of them and they're going to save money. A lot of teams will be doing that. Yeah, yeah, a lot of teams. Braves did it.

White Sox are doing it. Braves didn't do it with prospects, but they gave those contracts out. All right. Next question. This is an interesting. The Mariners. Over the course of 500 advance, what would Trevor Plouffe the hitter? What would his stats look like against Trevor Plouf, the pitcher?

You'd light yourself up. Yeah, average white righty. 500 for 500 with 500 home runs. That's what everything's told us. I'm a position player pitching. Yeah. So if we just go back and look at the history of myself, I'm two for two with two homers, so yes, then apparently I would go

500 straight homers. How are you pitching yourself? High fastballs? High and in? You're going to try and go bust yourself up high and in? Scouting report on me is pretty easy. Yeah, make me expand in to open up a way. Okay.

Hard and soft away. It's pretty standard scouting report. What if it's all Trevor Ploos fielding? Depends what year. I was a pretty good fielder for a few years. It was a pretty shitty fielder for a few years. 2014. I was pretty damn good

Okay So that's that balance is out then So then maybe you're hitting like 380 Was the secret sauce I would rake myself 100% I would rake myself Like I said I'm a 6-1 white righty

Who throws You know 89 to 92 That's a dream That's a fight at the bat rack You should have seen what Jake was chucking yesterday Popping my mitt Poping me yesterday

I missed that sound Yeah And we were in a we were in like a corridor So there's a little echo to the pop of the mitt It sounded pretty good He was throwing nothing but knuckle balls And then he fired like his hardest fastball Didn't let me know it was coming

I was squatting down with no protection It was kind of scary I let you know I gave you the glove That's curveball That's curveball That was my curveball Power curve Okay

Oh my goodness Yeah Yo guys It's Cameron From Manhattan Midtown That's right I'm back talking baseball

I love you guys. Shout out. Thanks for dropping the voice mailbox thing, whatever you want to call it. Anyway, I just wanted to say the players were saying when and where, and then all of a sudden they get the pro-rated deal, and they want to add a couple more games. And I get where they're coming from. However, as a fan, it's hurting me a bit.

What do you guys think about that? What do you think about that, about them wanting to add a few more games? I want more games, of course, but I think if the owners won't budge on this, why are we even trying that? I don't know. I could be wrong. I already voiced my answer on that. The players were doing so well, and they just kind of lost everything that they had going for, I think, in the public. Not everything, but go look at Twitter.

stuff right now and it's a lot of, I thought you said when and where, and I think it's a very fair critique. I'm looking now there's some Manfred quotes out there. Do you want to go over them? Sure. Not really. Are they just basic statements? This is pretty good. It's kind of funny. John Heyman writes, Commissioner Rob Manfred's take on the meeting with Union Chief Tony Clark and Clark's assertion that Manfred only offered a proposal. quote, I don't know what Tony and I were doing there for several hours going back and forth

and making trades if we weren't reaching an agreement. He's right, man. Manfred's right there. Like, what do you think, like what do you think was happening there, Tony Clark? We were going back and forth, negotiation, if that's what happened. Who knows? Last part of the quote, this needs to be over until I speak to owners. I can't give you a deadline.

Time is of the essence, you know. Is this how this ends? Are we going to get a deadline for Wednesday next week And we're going to hear both sides aren't going to budge And then we're finally going to get 64-66? I don't know, man I think that's what Manfred's hinting towards their A firm deadline sounds like

They're going to lay a line in the sand Which is fine. I want that at this point Manfred played such a crazy good hand By having that meeting And Tony Clark saying Uh that he only offered a proposal and they weren't like discussing things

like they naturally had to be doing some give and take in the conversation. Right, but you know very clearly if an agreement is reached. Well, this is the thing. It's like, why not lock yourself in a damn room till it's over? And Manfred never said

they reached an agreement. They just said in principle. If we weren't reaching an agreement. So he is. Like that's what Manfred. I don't love this statement by Manfred is bad. I am all. He's saying he's basically trying to do like a Fonzie.

Like, I don't know. We're two guys in a room talking about stuff so we didn't reach an agreement. Like, I don't know. We weren't fucking in there. No, he's saying that Tony Clark saying, yeah, we reached an end point, but that was just the final proposal. Like Manfred's saying we weren't pushing and pulling to see what my proposal was going to be. That was the final agreement.

Tony Clark saying we spent hours. is going back and forth crafting this. Right. And it was just why would Tony Clark sit there and help him craft a proposal? I kind of agree with you there. In Manfred's mind, we're crafting an agreement. If we're going back and forth. What was leaked to Hayman.

Even John Hayman didn't say that agreement was reached. And it was fed to him by the commissioner. We know this by now. No, he said a deal was in hand. They never said an agreement was reached. And that's bullshit. He's not even saying it there. I'm going back to the tweet right now.

Let's check it out. But do you get right? what we're saying? Yes, I do. For Tony Clark to sit there and be like, no, this, no, that, no this. These come down to little words, and that's exactly what they're doing here. But imagine spending two plus hours with someone, going back and forth, gang forth, finding an end place, you would think, oh, okay, we're going to, you know, we're very close.

This is agreement in principle because we just went back and forth for hours. And then to hear, no, dude, we were just crafting your proposal. Now we counter your proposal. Right. That's bullshit. Exactly. You're falling right into the game. This is exactly what Manfred wants.

You gotcha. But Tony has to... He played the media perfectly through John Hayman. Tony's not there to help him craft a proposal. Yes, they are, because they both have to go back to their sides anyways. And I'm sure... So that's bullshit for Clark to be like, yeah, that's good, let's end there, bring it to your side, I'll bring it to my side.

And then they bring it to each other's sides. And then Manfred officially offers it and then Tony... An agreement was never reached. An agreement was never reached. It does say that it's... breaking, MLB and Players Union are closing in on an agreement to play in 2026. Because when you sit there for three hours and you reach a final place and you take it to each other's sides. But they didn't reach a final place. That's what you're missing.

Well, how do you know that? They clearly did. They clearly didn't. Otherwise, we'd have a deal. I think that's why Clark's in the wrong here. And that's why I think you're getting fed this through Heyman and for some reason you're taking the bait. I think Tony Clark said, yes, we have the framework. If Clark leaves that, I still need more games for my players. And Manfred says, okay, we've got a framework. He leaks that through Heyman.

Everybody thinks it's real and done. And that's why the MLBPA has to come out an hour later and say, no, there was no deal. We agreed on a lot of stuff except the final games played, which is such a huge detail. But if Tony Clark is there for two hours and they get to an endpoint, and he knows that that endpoint isn't something that his side is going to say yes to, Then what the fuck were you doing, Tony?

He laid a framework that he wanted to get 70 games for. That's stupid to me. Like, think about... Exactly. That's the whole point. Until he knew their sides would have accepted. It makes no sense to go have a meeting and just help the other side propose something you know you're going to say no to. It makes no sense.

In an alternate reality, this meeting should have taken place months ago. Yes. Yeah. But it was the owners dragging their feet. That's what I got in the weeds with people this morning. They were like, people are caving to the owners because they're saying now time is of the essence. And it's like, why do you think that is? Yeah, exactly.

They did this on purpose. I don't know, man. I just think that if Tony Clark meets and they sit down, Tony, you better reach agreement in principle. Do all the negotiating at that table. As close as you can possibly get it. and I'm guessing Manfred thought that's what was happening because that had to be the goal. So for Manfred to think they're close and he's like goes to decide, hey, I think we're close because, you know, this is where we left it.

The only other way is... They were close. They've got everything except the games. Yeah, I just, if you're going to do that... The two pieces of information right now that have you have your opinion are leaked from Commissioner Rob Manfred. No, no, no, the fact that Tony Clark is saying, yes, I sat with... Tony Clark is telling me he sat with Manfred for hours and didn't reach an agreement. Well, that's your fault, Tony.

That's a bad job by him. That's what I'm saying. If don't go sit down with the dude and not reach an agreement. Because now you're the one stalling it. Because they didn't give them the games he wanted. But Tony should, they should have counted right then and there at 70. Just because Tony Clark stays at the meeting doesn't mean they get the game still. Like that's not how it works.

But everything that we're doing right now should have been done in that conversation. He should have said 60, Tony should have said 70, and we should have reached an agreement in principle. But Manfred wanted to do this whole turn the media on them thing. That's why he did this. That's why he went to Cornell and did this. You kind of just have that in your head. Like Tony could have thought he was one-uping Manfred.

Who knows what happened? Either way, it's ridiculous that an agreement wasn't reached. Well, what's happened in the past 24 hours? You guys are both ridiculous. You're sharing headphones. You should just make out. Hey, that's so we can have you on here. I already did.

Here's the next voicemail. What's up, guys, Jack, here coming in from Boston. Just want to ask the commissioner himself, Trevor Bluth. It could be a part of any one-team season. What team in what year would it be? And I'm thinking, 04 Red Talks, obviously, but this is up to you guys now. I love the show. Keep it up.

You guys make quarantine survival. Thanks. That's a very nice thing to say. Huh. 2015 Royals, huh? It's a good question. Part of me wants to say, like, you know, 88 Dodgers. But then I'm like, I'd rather be like more recent than that.

I feel like baseball has gotten a lot cooler and like you get to do a lot more stuff. So, hmm, I got to think about that one. But we'll come back to that. Let me put some thought into it because at the top of my head, you know, I say the Dodgers in 88, but I want to do. something different than that. Yanks in 98. Dude, the Yankees would be fun.

Not going to lie. I mean, New York City, 98. No internet. You can get away with whatever you want at bars and clubs and no one's going to film you. Plus, greatest season ever played by a team. And the media wasn't even all over them because the home run race was not even covering them. So they could really do whatever they wanted anywhere. Probably a fun team.

Being in New York would be awesome to win a World Series. There's no doubt about that. So that's a good one. 86 Mets. Oh. That's a party. That's a party. That's a party.

Yeah, I don't think I would survive that one. Hey, guys, I do have a fact, though. Okay. Our boy, DJ, you brought up the 98 Yanks. Mm-hmm. I segued into this, my bad. Thank you. DJ.

Mm-hmm. Do you know how many career grand slamps he had over his thousand-year career? Yeah, one, want to know why Trev? Because do you want me to tell you his stats with the base is loaded? Here we go. Because he didn't care about the glory, man. He just wanted to score some runs for his team. I don't want you to tell me a stats.

I will. You force my hand. What I want everyone to know is, and Mad Dog Russo, check this out, bro. I got two grand slams in my career. Don't make me compare your... That's debatable. I don't know.

I just don't know. You've done it now. Oh, page didn't load. How's that? Trevor blocked it. Baseball reference is going through changes. Yes, but Trev, that was like a big, big storyline in Yankeesville. Every time Jeter stepped up to the plate with the bases loaded, it was dropped.

Never hit a career, never heard a grand slam in his career. So when he finally hit one, it was like almost a meme. Like Todd Frazier played for the Thames River, literally. Like that was Jeter with the bases loaded. He's never hit a grand slam. You got him hot. Maybe he just wasn't up for those big moments. Oh.

kick your butt. Oh, man. Well, baseball reference isn't working, but I know his numbers are good. I'm sure they're better than mine. He's a Hall of Fame shortstop, best hitter of all time at the shortstop position. You've made that very clear to me. I was, according to Mad Dog Russo, a scrub, who hit 220, I need to shut up. Next voicemail.

Hi. I was just wondering, if you have a 90-degree, you know, like 90-degree, 45-degree, 45-degree, 45 degree triangle and the hypotenuse is nine what is the length of the bottom sign given cosine of 45 is two divided by radical two so again it's a 90 45 45 triangle uh thank you all right it's easy we'll i'll answer on three one two three i saw six yeah it was six six final answer all right that's the end of the voicemail i did uh do the math on that earlier I believe, and I can't hear the voicemails behind the curtain. Yeah.

I believe the answer I landed on was 6.36. I had to Google how does cosine work today. So Trev was right. Give it to me in Trev. Trev said six. I said I saw Cilis. I did a quick little math in my head and I got to six, but. You guys are both really smart.

Thank you. That's the end of the episode, guys. We'll see what happens tomorrow with more counters and co-counters. Derek Jeter with the base is loaded stats. Yeah. Baseball reference, fix your sight. It's like stat-head now? Am I better than Derek Jeter?

In one category, yes. Yes. What's that? Grand slams? Career grand slams. You crush him. You kick his ass. Double him.

I doubled up on him. Yeah. All right. Cool. I think we're good. It's hot as fuck in this room. Yeah. We're out.