Talkin' Baseball (MLB Podcast) - 186 | Astros-A's Brawl, Drama in Cleveland, and Marcus Stroman Opts Out

Episode Date: August 12, 2020

Baseball has DRAMA this week. Jomboy, Jake, and Plouffe give their full thoughts on the Astros-A's fight and aftermath (8:00) as well as live reactions to Laureano and Cintron's respective suspensions (45:50), the Cleveland Indians sending Plesac and Clevinger home (37:30), and Marcus Stroman opting out and finessing the Mets (50:45). Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Welcome back to talking baseball. We got suspensions. We got brawls. We got team suspensions for going out and partying in Chicago. Let's do it. What's going on, everybody? Welcome back to talking baseball. It is another...

It's been another wild week. We got game action. We got standings changing left and right. Suspensions, brawls. A lot of stuff going on. We're coming to you live here at the Roosevelt Studios in the Bronx. That's our SVO. You get some nice fun shirts like Jake and I are wearing right now.

Jake is sitting to my left. B-B-D is behind the plate. Trevor is in California. We've got a fun show coming up. A lot of topics that we need Trev's input on. But before we do that, let me let you know who is bringing this show to you. Josh Don Levy, Randy Ackerman, Max Koza, William Luce, Lavaliers. Mike Sosnik, Dylan Strine, Zach Fijiel, Nelson Escobar, Tyler Biggler, Billy Farmer. What a name.

Alex Shy, Matthew Troopia, McLean, Saude, Brandon Martinez, Christopher DeVay, James Sullivan, Richard Prisinski, Sade, Sabzwari. Sade Subswari, that's cool. Been in the chat. Derek Falcon, Finhan, Brandon Altman, Garen Worshmidt, Derek, Worshmit, Derek, Falcon, Derek Falcon twice. Thanks, Derek. Jordan Fonville, Ryan Hayshill, and Matthew Savallo. Savallo.

I think a lot of those were duplicates, so if you did get doubled up, congrats. Congrats. Jake, how are you doing? Doing well, James. We're running hot. You listened to the Rob Lowe interview yesterday and Matt. I think the biggest takeaway, and again, we, we, we, said it going into it. I mean, they're baseball fans. They're Dodger fans. It's really cool.

We got, you know, it's just a little follow-up. The day we talked to them, we talked about someone pitching the ninth. And that night, Joe Kelly pitched the ninth. And they sent a picture. And they were, you know, it was a baseball family around the TV at 7 p.m. watching a baseball game. I showed that picture to my fiance, Caitlin. And she's like Starstruck. Oh, God. It's just got a picture of Rob. Hello, just sitting in his couch? I go on. I was like, yeah.

He's got frosted tips. Flex. So, yeah, we got that. We've got Mark Adonacio, the brewer's owner, coming tomorrow. He was very cool. Again, very unique interview. So we're doing well here. The baseball is good.

We need those cards back on the field. Not sure if Trevor Plouffe has an update on that for us. But, yeah, man, otherwise things are good. We keep doing the Roosevelt's Homer board, and you're starting to see the big names come up there. there. You're starting to see the real names come up there. I mean, Tatis with a huge trout, like where it's happening. So baseball's good, man. Trevor, how are you? I'm doing great. I'm looking at that Homer board. And I told you guys, I hate that over 20

Homer bet. And now they were seeing these balls. I should have waited. I mean, I should have waited to give my judgment. Did you guys see some of the home runs that are going out of here? not saying that Judge isn't hitting them hard enough or Tatis isn't hitting them hard enough because they are. They are absolutely mashing baseballs. But as Juba Cabrera hit a home run yesterday. Yeah, it was bad. Off your guy, Chase and Shreve.

Yeah. It was, it's maybe the worst home run I've ever seen. It's, uh, you know, and there was two of them yesterday. I forget who the other guy was, but this was bad. I believe Meredith Wills. I believe what's happening last postseason is happening again. We have a grab bag full of baseballs.

And I think that some guy, aren't smart enough to throw away the bad ones. You see Verlander, you see Cole, you see a lot of these pitchers just throwing away balls they don't want to throw. Maybe Jason Shreve, he doesn't know how to tell the difference yet, you know? Bouncing it and get a new one. These new balls are wound as tight as your shirt on your neck.

I mean, these things are like golf balls. You look good right now. Don't listen to him. I'm not a big fan of that, Jim. The Azruble Cabrera won yesterday was pretty tough. Good call by the announcer. It looks like a broken hat, broken bat single to left center.

Even worse. I thought it looked like a broken hat single. Broken hat single. Those are the worst. But yeah, my guy chasing gets screwed again. Give him a chance. No, he's actually been pitching all right. And it kind of went like far for a home run.

It went far. And like, there's either two things. Like we got the grab bag and you got some juice balls coming out. Or we might have to look into a Nationals thing. Because Howard as Drewble Cabrera and Howie Kendrick, just becoming beasts at the twilight of their career. I made a little fungal back going on? I think it's the balls.

Shout out Howie Kendrick this week on Sequence. Not him, but I go over and abat from his 2019 World Series. Are you familiar with him? Like, are you guys played a few matches against each other? So what I said on sequence was like, look, this guy is, like, if you ask big leaguers about Howie Kendrick, they're going to just be like this guy is a professional hitter. Like that's what he is.

Like his swing is geared up. He's got like the kind of the Jeter inside out thing. Like always keeping his hands inside the ball. So he's just a pesky at bat. When you deep dive into the numbers, nothing really stands out. Like not even his batting average, which I thought was going to stand out to me. But he's done it for a long time. Like I said, he gives you professional bats.

I have not seen the as Drew Bull Cabrera home run. I'm trying my darndest to find it. MLB doesn't make it incredibly easy for you. I was going to give you my live reaction to it. How you looking? I should be able to find it. Well, I have it on MLB.com slash video, which is where you should be able to watch it.

The video just won't play. Okay. Yeah. It's the best website. I don't know. I remember when Howie Kendrick came up and he was a pretty big prospect and it never fully came together. He was always nice.

But yeah, it's cool to see it. I wonder if it's a, you know, a little bit of health, a little bit of, you know, you become older and wiser and maybe a little bit of juice in the balls, and that just raises everything. But he's a career 294 hitter, which, hey, that's pretty really good. 337 on base, a 768 OPS, which, okay, becomes a little more average. But, I mean, with the Nationals, 319, 366 with an 888 OPS. So go get it.

You know, he's always been a guy that barrels the ball. So if you have all of a sudden your baseball is acting like golf balls and all it takes is for you to barrel a ball. Well, juice. A little adjustment and getting a little bit more launch angle. It's all it takes, man. Jimmy just watched the ass crabs, Homer, and? Shreve looks great with the beard.

He does, right? Yeah, he needed that. He looks like Barry Pepper even more now. The home run, I thought it was. was oppo but it's just I don't know that's bad someone does that to you in Wiffleball I almost check the bat I almost

tagged you guys in Dr. Meredith Wills last night but that's uh it opens up a whole can of worms and I was I was having a nice Yankees night off so we'll get her another time yeah all right the first big news I want to talk about you Treve I need your opinion on this whole

Lauriano Centrone Astros Oakland fight You saw, I mean, I'd made the breakdown video of it. You told me nice job. I appreciate that. It was good.

Thank you. Good job, buddy. Hard work. Standing at my car with the unlock button in my hand. And then I got the text from someone. Just turned right back around and texted Katie and said, I won't be home. I won't be home. I won't get a history to make.

You should see me when I get in that zone trap. It's scary. Jake tried to talk to me. and he was like this, this, I get really zoned out. I just didn't see him and he was right in front of me. And then finally I saw him and I got really, oh, oh. Like I was doing the, like, if you're at a deli or somewhere and you're trying to get their attention, so you like, you either stomp your foot a little bit or you bump into the window or something like that.

I was doing, I was doing all the tricks and nothing happened. So I was just like, then I was a foot away from Jimmy. And I was like, hey, if you don't see me now. So spooked him a little bit. But yeah, I think you, what was that, two and a half hour? straight of research and edit and laying the track. Yeah. I go to this weird zone. It's fun.

It's fun. It's completely blinding. Enough sucking your D. Trevor, thoughts. There's so much to think about. Okay. All right, I'll give you some questions. I could go. I mean, look, when Luriano walks down to first base and it's like, dude, like, okay, when you get hit with an off-speed pitch, everyone's always like, it's an off-speed pitch.

if it hits you in the right place, it's still going to sting. He'd already been hit earlier in that game. And then another time in that series, I think this was his third time being hit. It starts to get annoying, whether it's a curveball or what. So I thought when he was walking down to first base and he was giving them the, just, you know, just come on, snap it a little more.

I thought that was, like, hilarious. That's some of the best humor I've ever seen on a baseball field. It was so calm about it, too. Like, he was playing it the perfect tongue. His facial expressions were hilarious. Astros fans are acting like that was really uncalled for. And it's like, no, I mean, if he was screaming and yelling, then it's, you know, it's, but like that is as mundane and as fun as you can react, just being a little dickhead.

Like, I agree, Ramon, but on purpose, he was like, that's something I would have done. Just being like, hey, man, you know, just if you kind of snap it, you probably won't hit me. I don't care who it was. I mean, the most hated player in baseball, whoever it is, if he did that, it's funny. Even A-Rod would make me laugh if he did that. Whoa. Maybe not. His would be so much more premeditated.

Like, L'Oriano's was great. I liked it. He starts to walk down to first base. Maldonados got him. You think everything's over. And then you hear the chirping. And he hears the chirping. He starts chirping.

And the thing about, when, you're playing in Oakland, there's no railing. It's open. So although the dugouts are kind of far away, it's a long walk, as we all know in Oakland, a lot of foul ground there. It's still open. It doesn't feel like you're in a dugout. You're just out there. So the chirping is different there. You know, there's no barrier. Whatever that means, there's still like a mental thing when there's a barrier in front of you. Like that stops you from doing things. There's no barrier here. Well, it's like Centrone, when he steps up and then steps closer, if he does that, he can't do that behind a railing.

So the lack of a railing almost makes it like, I'm on the field with you. Yes. So, you know, and Centrone, look, I kind of gave him a hard time. He deserves it. But if he was just chirping, that's okay. Coaches chirp all the time. Is it stupid when they chirp? Yeah, but they're competitive guys too, especially former players.

we heard Dusty Baker who did they tell like Get Back in the Box Mother Effer Didn't you just say that? Do you guys remember that? Yeah yeah yeah yeah You uh

Get Was it Moogie? No get back on the man A little fucker Yeah Yes Yes he said that It's a really good impression by man

That was pretty good So like it happens Like coaches chirp Like you don't want it to happen But it happens The thing that he messed up with And he knows And everybody has to just

They get it You can't step to a player like that come on not even step to him also invite him in with your hand like the whole thing is outrageous and then of course he realizes that he made a mistake when loriano charges him and he's like well even if i want to go out and fight him that's like the worst case scenario so i think he i think what he did was actually the best case scenario like i think he realized that this is stupid i'm going to get in a lot of trouble for this so he stayed back like if he would have went and like went after Luriano, it would have been so much worse.

And we would have been talking just as much about, I think he did the right thing, even though he looks like a huge pussy. For lack of a better word, I'm sorry. It's like, no. Well, he just didn't think Luriano would actually do it. Which is so dumb. I don't love that Luriano did it either. Okay?

Like, we can't just call Luriano a hero here because I get, you can get egged on, but like, this is your team, man. And like, not only that, but you are, you're risking people getting COVID. don't fucking know. There's no guidelines in place for a reason. I totally agree that, you know, Luriano gets some, a lot of blame for actually charging. You shouldn't do that. But I think the heat of the moment gives Luriano a little extra cushion. Centron's not in any heat of the damn moment, man. He's a 40-year-old coach. Like, he can sit back and chill and he would not be thought lesser of. You know, he's supposed to be a peacemaker. So it is a little, like, do you think?

invited into, I mean, that's, like, as... Did the international symbol. What are you supposed to do to that? You got to go, right? I mean, you just, you just mention it. I mean, you get hit by an off speed pitch. He's been hit twice in this game, and Jimmy just mentioned heat of the moment. And I love, you guys know I love jumping around in different sports.

I mean, Miles Garrett tried to kill Steelers quarterback with his helmet this year. And we got suspended, but you go heat of the moment. And, like, NBA guys, you see guys swinging and stuff. And Ramon Luriano gets hit. hit by two pitches. The team that screwed them over, like, I mean, what do you think's going to happen? And I just, we can talk about what you think your guess on suspensions are, but they just better give Cintron a real one. Because, I mean, that's, that's just such crap. I think he's, I think he's done for the year. I, you know, I say Luriano's at fault and he needs to have self-control.

And he does. Like, but Cintron's egg and you on giving you this. Then apparently he said some of about the mom. Right. And you just got hit. There's so many things like, you kind of got to go. I don't, I like Luriano.

We met him. I'm really good guy. I do like Luriano. I don't buy the mom thing. Okay. It's used every time there's a fight. Pedro Martinez dropped it twice when he was mad at Hori Posada.

Like, he was like, well, he said something about my mom. And I think in certain cultures, that's a big no-no. So whenever you can't prove what was actually said, you kind of just said. Well, he said it about my mom, and then you get everyone backs you. I think it's an easy out when, you know, I think that the players use that a lot, knowing that they'll have some sympathy. I would need to hear it. It's used so, I wish I could think more examples.

I'm sure we'll be able to find some audio, don't you think? Or did they stop the ballpark, right? They don't get off for the ballpark. And you can't hear. It's too loud. There's a lot of yelling. But if you have that on your radar that he said something with my mom, you'll hear. hear it almost every time there's a fight.

There's, look, there's sayings in every language about the mom. And we kind of talked about this like, S-O-B, like that's a really, if you break it down, that's a really bad thing to say. Yeah. Okay. But also in Spanish, you know, there's a saying that you hear guys say all the time. I don't want to say it here. But it's just like a thing.

Like when you get mad, they say, I think maybe that's what it was. But it was a combination of everything. Loryana went for him. him. And then I think he realized it was dumb when he saw six guys standing in front of them. He saw his buddy Dustin Garneau there. Dustin Garneau tackled him, which was great. Nice form tackle. Go for the midsection. That's where you aim for. And he did. Got him down to the ground. Afterwards, they both said, like, look, that was the best thing for it. And everyone realizes that. But just a bad, bad look all the way around. Loriano is one of the A's best players. And he's going to miss significant time.

I'd be so surprised if it's less than eight games that Joe Kelly got. I'm thinking it's going to be more. Oh, okay, so what do you think it's going to be? I don't know if you heard Jake and I's guesses. I haven't yet. I think it may be high, high, high, high, high, high, high, high, high, high. Like, I think they might want to set a huge precedent. I think it could be like 15 plus.

I wouldn't put my money down on that. I'm just saying I wouldn't be shocked. But the outrage, like they'd have to do something crazy to Centrone then. then if that's the case, they're going to give Loriano 15 games and Cintron's out for the year. Dude, the Astros should fire him. And they won't because they're terribly run organization and they embrace this more than anything. And also, if the Astros fired him, it'd be the same shit with Lynch or Lynch, with Hinch and Luneau where the league gifted the Astros and out.

Like, okay, we'll just suspend him, but you have to fire them so you guys can look like the good guys. It'd be the same situation. And in all honestly, who cares if Alex Entron is there or not? Like, it doesn't affect their team at all. It doesn't affect the sport of baseball. It affects the A's a ton. Like, I don't think MLB should suspend them for the season or anything. But I do think if the Astros wanted to change their perception, they would be like, you know what, that guy's out of it.

We don't want that in our organization. Look, that's the thing. Like, okay. They do. What's, if they don't do that, what's to stop another team for being like, hey, coach, take one for the, team right here. Go egg that guy on. Get him suspended for the playoffs. We'll pay your fine, whatever. That's a dangerous game you play right there. Yeah, and that's the biggest thing. And I mean, we haven't said the word that's, that unfortunately, I think is going to give

a lot of credence to Jimmy's thought process is COVID. I mean, I said that. It's not due to Houston, Oakland and Oakland being screwed the past three years by, you know, a cheating ball club. It's not Luriano getting hit by a pitch. It's supposed to be that these teams are not supposed to brawl this year. I mean, Kelly was supposed to be the example for not brawing with the Astros. This is supposed to be the anti-COVID. So I unfortunately do think it could be big. I think if you're Manfred, and if I'm Loreano in the A's, I am screaming about Centrone.

You're right, Trev. Like, whatever he gets better be significantly higher than Ramon Luriano. I'm thinking Luriano gets eight games. He gets baited into the dugout. In the heat of battle, after being hit by two pitches, I mean, that's terrible. And I do think, and again, I get a little optimistic sometimes, and maybe I have the blinders on. I could see it coming in at 15, maybe 15 max. I'm hoping, if that's the case, it's maybe 15 negotiated down to 12.

I'm hoping it's lesser because the other thing that was important about the Jell Kelly thing, yes, they were trying to send a message. but also he is a reliever. Like eight games, I know you can do the multiply by 2.7, blah, blah, blah. Luriano plays every day. That's what I mean. Joe Kelly, Joe Kelly in eight games is probably going to throw three innings pitch. Like, at the end of the day, that suspension ends up being fine.

Luriano bat's second for that team. He's got a 400 plus on base. He's one of the best defensive centerfielers in the game. I hope baseball has their heads wrapped around it pretty well. But like Jimmy's saying, I mean, you do. want to set the example, and it's COVID. They don't want another brawl to happen all season. Yeah.

Like, they don't want that at all. Even though baseball's been like the most talked about sport and you have NBA and NHL back and it's actually been really good. I've been watching one NBA game. And by the way, how about you make the example of Sin Trone? That's what I'm saying. The guy who they do that. But Luriano will be part of that. Oh, absolutely.

I think eight games, because they like to set the precedent and stick to it. You can't just keep moving the precedent. That's not how things work. So you set the precedent at 8. Luriano comes a week later and you're going to give him 15 for a position player. That seems excessive to me, especially with how it all went down. But the one thing that I do love about this, as we were kind of finding out about Alex Centrone and all this shit, your guy, Phil Nevin, told Alex Brevin, if you guys remember this, this was last year,

he told Alex Brabren, go tell your coach, I'm going to kick his fucking ass. And it was Alex Centrone because apparently Alex Centrone, because apparently Alex Centrone flipped Phil Nevin off. So this is like a hilarious thing. Like, Centrone, chill out, bro. Like, you had your day. Like, you played in the big leagues. Now, just like, take your guys in the cage.

Dude, I hate to say it. That's their culture. There was a quote about Centrone from someone up that said he was the driving force of the Astros culture. Someone like from the Astros organization said that about him. Trevor, a couple things. I love the point you made about the field being Oakland and without the bars. Because normally you just have the coach with his arms hanging up, talking smack, popping off.

And that could neutralize the whole situation. Because Luriano probably says a couple choice words back. He keep the ball game moving. So I thought that's pretty interesting. The other thing I had someone, Wake and Jake at, if you like sports, go check it out. I've been asking people to comment a lot, bake the algorithm. and someone said, because we've been hyping up this Astros bullpen that's like nine rookies and they've been shoving, guess what? And we talked about this with talking Yanks. One of the oldest baseball like idioms is like,

hey, if you're a kid coming up, you just better be able to throw strikes. Hey, all these rookies are pretty talented, but can they get the ball over the plate? And by the way, if they can't, you've got the one team in baseball that you're not supposed to retaliate against. The whole thing is so screwed up. And it's, and it, again, it ties back into the Astros culture, which if you're an Astros fan and you're still listening to us, we appreciate you so much. There's probably not a ton of you. But the culture thing is so messed up because remember, spring training, we're going to get these big apologies. Here it's, here it comes.

Marwin Gonzalez gives a heartfelt one for the twins. Somebody else was it. Harisnick, kind of did. And then we go to the Astros, and they had to apologize for their non-apologies to start. off. Like, this team still thinks they did nothing wrong. Reddick after the game comes out with a quote that's like, I hope the target's not any bigger on our back now. What? Like, these guys have now, they were living in a bad culture. That bad culture did not get punished significantly enough. I tweeted that and someone's like, oh, they didn't get punished, bro, GM, manager, and draft picks.

The players don't give a damn about any of that. And Chris Bassett came out and says something like, We feel like there's a double standard here. Like when you face the a show's, you feel like you can't do anything. You can't play the game for fear of getting in trouble, which is crazy because they didn't get into any trouble. They're the bad guys. It's insane. The quote was from Loonow GM in 2017, or no, Tom Koch-Wesser,

director of advanced information, sent an email to Jeff Loonow that said, Cora, Beltron, and Cintron were crucial and driving the culture with Bregman and Vigio. I don't know who that's. I have no proof that it has worked, but we get real good dope on pitchers tipping and being lazy. That information, if it's not already, we'll eventually yield major results in our favor. Once players get used to the implementation that he said Cora, Cintron and Beltron did. and they said Centrone was a driving culture in the sign-stealing operation, yet he was not named in the Manfred's report.

So, I mean, he is that culture. He's the culture that they should be trying to run away from, but they have decided to act like their victims and embrace, so we'll see. Look, they got a new GM there. What was it, James Click, is his name? He's got a decision ahead of them. I think that he knows what to do. But we haven't even had a statement from,

Trone. No, he said he was sorry. He said he was embarrassed and he was sorry. When did that come out? I didn't even see it. Was it like him addressing the media or just a statement? Through a Dusty Baker, I think. No, that's not, that ain't it, coach. Like, if you want to call guys out on the field, get your ass in front of a microphone and talk about it. Like you don't get to hide like you hid behind the other coaches and your players, bro. Yeah. It's funny that Dustin Garneau and Ramon Luriano are like friends. Yeah, that happens a lot in those brawes, man. Just find your buddy. The Garneau quote was really good. I forget what it was, but he's like,

yeah, I saw Ramon Lauren coming in and my only thought was like neutralize this. So I did. Grab them, took him to the ground and it really was the best case scenario for it. I saw a local sports writer in L.A. said like, just like back in the day, he played football at some high school. Los Angeles somewhere and this guy was like, we've seen him do it as a, he was a quarterback and the safety or something like that. So he's got skills. Yeah, his senior year, he switched over to safety. Did hear that making the rounds.

I saw somebody mentioned this name in the chat, Dusty Baker, who obviously when he took this job, he knew what he was getting into. And he definitely said the right words in the interview too, that you're going to have to have these guys back. Like, you can't be like, yeah, you know, they cheat a little bit, but here we are. I think the right words were, do you want the job? Yeah. Well, and that's what you're.

I was going to ask you guys, because I forget, I think I was watching either the rest of that game or another game, and they were talking about Dusty Baker's resume, and he's got all these wins, like, so much managerial success. He doesn't have the World Series. There's kind of a debate if he's a Hall of Famer or not. And maybe he is, you know, Dusty Baker's a name that if you're familiar with baseball, you're familiar with her. I'd have to get into the numbers a little more, but I don't know. It's just kind of weird in hindsight that, like now that I'm looking like I feel like dusty Baker might have compromised himself to try to get that world series with this team and I don't know that just feels kind of weird and well weirded me out realizing they didn't clean house with the coaching staff and uh yeah quentin hubner's in the in the patron chat so I'll see if he has any info for me but like when head when managers change usually the coaching staff changes like when gerardy left the Yankees The first base coach, the third base coach, the bench coach, all left.

And same thing kind of with Tori to Girardi. Like maybe there's one that carries over. So I don't know, I guess because they never cared and maybe they wanted hinge. I don't know. I was like, they kept him. But I think that just goes to they don't, they're playing victim rather than it was our problem. And they're not changing the culture at all there. So I don't know.

But did anyone, did anyone else change? Was it just Loonow and Hinch and they just have like dummy replacements? I couldn't tell you. We need some Astros people here. I became so sick of talking about it. But here we are again, still talking about it because there was no punishment. How about Reddick saying like we don't want this to put a bigger target on our back? What I feel for are the guys that had no part of that that are on the Astros.

Yeah, I wouldn't want to go there. Like people are getting traded. over there, it'd be like, damn. Quentin says that everyone stayed except for Hinch, Espada, because he wanted to go be a head coach other places. Petis, the third base coach, and oh no, everyone else stayed. Espada, Petis, and Cintron all stayed. So they all stayed. That's weird to me. Like, Dusty Baker is such a dummy manager then. A little bit. Like, how could you have any say or change anything when every, the players, the scouts, the bench coach, you know, everyone else is from the old regime like Dusty's going to come in and change anything?

There's no way. So that feels like just very much a dummy position. So I don't know why Dusty took it. Treve, we've definitely done this a couple times, but the chat was just asking, what, like, what's your biggest brawl? Like I say baseball brawl and where does your head jump to? I think you said you had bigger minor league ones and major league. Did I dream that?

No, minor leagues for sure. Had one in Burlington, West Virginia. A couple guys went to the hospital. Actually, both of my big brawes. Okay, Trev. Yeah, and I'm serious. Yeah. The second one was actually against the Yankees team.

We were in New Britain. Yeah. And who's their team there? Their AA team. Trenton Thunder. Yeah, Columbus Clippers. Trenton. So we, same guy pitching.

One of my good buddies is actually a pitching coach in the Twins organization. now got charged like the nicest guy just got charged twice by hitters and I was in a field I was a shortstop for both of them but in the big leagues nothing crazy we've had obviously bench is cleared but nothing crazy where big punches are thrown I think guys are more they don't want to get fine dude yeah you know it's just not worth it it's really not worth it I think everyone has that mindset every once in a while you'll get guys are just like so fucking pissed or frustrated, like, it happens.

Did you guys see Maldonado's mask? What happened there? Was there any punches thrown in this, bro? Gear it up. No, I don't think so. The weirdest thing, and I hope I didn't blow up their spot, but is Austin Allen, the A's catcher running up to Maldonado like a goalie fight, and then Boretto somehow coming away with Maldonado's mask.

Yeah, that saw that was interesting. Weird. I don't know how that happens. I mean, look, if you're a catcher, keep the gear on. for sure. Why not? As long as you can. Didn't Dozier or someone we interviewed said there was a fight and they took someone's gloves or something and they threw them into the stands?

Who was that? I forget. That was on here. That's good. That's a good role. Did you hear the Houston announcers? That was good. Trev?

Can I play it for Treve and get his read on it? It's like one minute. Yeah. So there's, could go to Quentin again. I don't know the play-by-play guy is, but the other guy's name is, Jeff Bloom. Jeff Bloom, who's the color analyst. Yeah.

So the play-by-play guy is, you know, he's pandering to his audience because he's got Houston fans and he's trying to act like what Luriano did was the most disrespectful thing ever. And the play-by-play is kind of going along with him. And then at the end, Todd Callis is play-by-play. At the end, they see Centrone. And it's the second time they saw Centrone. And they just ignored it the first time, say, come here. And you can hear at the very end, Jeff Bloom's go.

Just he's trying so hard to defend the Astros the best he can. And then it cuts to the Centrone camera angle. And he just seems to not be working. So he just was like, oh, man. Yeah, he was doing everything he could to give Astros the benefit of the doubt. And then it cuts in and he just lets out this pick. Oh, God. Damn it.

There's no defending it. I think we're trying to set up the Bluetooth. I can just do it this way, BPD. Oh, here we go. But that was a breaking. Nobody loves it. likes getting hit, but that was a breaking ball. But Laryano is the one who kind of initiated the process by complaining about being hit

by a backup slider for the second time in this ball game. He brought the attention to himself and the Astros dugout took Umbridge. And like you said, TK, there's not much other voices going on out there. So you're going to hear everything. He got hit by Brandon Bailey earlier in the game. And then Umberto Castellanos, who was a taxi squad player. even on a spring training roster this year and was mostly a class A pitcher last year

came into an emergency situation with Round Rock a few times and see Alex Centron saying, come on, I've heard enough from you and there goes Lariano. Well. It's so funny, dude. It's like Bloom is just listening to the play-by-play guy make excuse after it's like L'Oriano's not allowed to be upset. Yeah.

And then he just goes, well. What are you supposed to say to that? We're the bad guys again. I've got a last quick one before we move on. Do you guys think even 1% of Ramon Luriano's on first base? I was thinking about it. He's got a lot of thoughts running through his mind. Runs hot.

Hot guy. Do you think there's any part of him that's like, you know what? That whole Joe Kelly Astros thing kind of worked out good for Joe Kelly's brand. No. I don't know. I'm just saying. He's rep by Easton. He's a stud.

I'm just saying. That guy's trying to get pay. He don't care about social media clicks. He's like, let me continue mashing the baseball. Double those social media clicks. Billie Bean to get off his wallet and give me some money. We dropped the free Ramon shirts because they're so good. But people complained we didn't put the till day in his name, so we might have to change that.

Yeah, let's go. Come on, guys. It's 2020. I always copy and paste from Google because I don't want to miss the till days. Someone, I think Loriano has both. Like in this tweet, look, Centrone. I got it. Nailed it.

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All right. Thanks Teddy for finishing off that ad read for us. Yeah, that was Trev's son, Teddy, at the end there, doing a really good job. Residuals, pay that man. Love that money. Trev, we got a crazy situation for anyone that doesn't, know the Indians self-suspended Pleseck, one of their star pitchers who's been doing really well for them because

he was out partying in Chicago after shoving seven in his pitch one on a run. They had a team meeting. They said we can't do that. We have to hold everyone accountable. I believe Clevenger had some quotes about like, yeah, it's just a trust thing. We need to trust everyone, all that. So they do that. We kind of all applaud.

Say, yeah, Jake says, well, he wasn't pitching for eight games anyway. But still, good job, good job, good job. Take it serious. You got Cookie Carrasco on the squad. He is a cancer survivor underlying symptoms. We can't fuck around here. Clevenger turns out was out with Plesack that same night.

And when Pleesak got in trouble, Pleysak didn't rat in his boy, Clev. Cleb didn't rat on himself. And then somehow they find out, oh, Clev, you were there too? Oh, you're suspended as well. So now Cleve is suspended from the team as well. two out of their five starters. Trev, very, very interested to hear as an ex-player what you have to say on this whole situation.

I had a mean tweet ready to go yesterday. I'm still in my drafts. But I took a deep breath because I wanted to like think about this situation a little bit more. Slept on it, thought about it, and I just can't shake my initial feeling, which is like, what the fuck? are you guys doing? Like, they both, Jimmy, the quotes that you reference were from July 30th with Mike Clevenger. So before this incident, Zach Gleesack on July 3rd, they're both talking about how we need

to be responsible. I saw something about Clevenger saying, hey, Trevor Bauer left. I think this is on your episode with them. He said, Corey Kluber left, excuse me. And now I have some shoes to fill as the leader in the clubhouse. I have to get there early. I didn't have to think about those things before. Now I do.

I understand the role I'm in and I need to do that. It's a new thing for me. Well, you didn't do it. Cookie Carasco decided that he was going to play because he thought that you guys had a team that could win the World Series. Cookie Carasco also has leukemia. His underlying health issues that when presented with a virus like COVID could literally potentially kill him. Okay, but he's trusting his teammates and saying, I hope you guys don't do anything because you're going to put me and other people in jeopardy. I defended Pizak a little bit when I thought it was just him.

I said, this guy's a young guy in Chicago, like any other year, that's a dream scenario. You go out, you have a great time, can't do it this year. It's a slip up. Then to hear that Cleve was there with him, went to a team meeting, flew home with the team, and then got cold. caught. Still didn't come forward. Got caught. There's no other reaction to have other than like, like I said, what the fuck are you guys doing? It's so disappointing. This team has so much potential. We've been talking about how good they've been. Clevenger's stepping up into that role. Yeah, you got Beaver there, but Clevenger's been there longer. I would say he's the guy the guys go

to there. He should be. But how can you do it anymore? How can you, I mean, with a mistake like that, people are allowed to make mistakes but this is bad dude this is just pure selfishness there's no other way to put it well now what does cookie say to these guys what does tito say to these guys yeah depends on you know tito don't like this shit depends on how those you know relationships already are and you know it almost cuts into friendship and how you believe a person and you know do you believe it is an honest mistake and that's where there's what's what's What's the honest mistake? Well, okay.

So it's not an honest mistake. It's not an honest mistake. I take that back. It's a selfish fuck up. What this story went from was a dumb, young guy, pitch is good. He says, I'm going to see my buddies, grab a beer or two. Probably won't be a big deal, right? And then he comes back.

The team unifies. They say, you're not welcome here, man. Like, we are not doing this this year. And yeah, I do think it would have been interesting if they had like eight games and seven days type situation coming up to see if they still would have kicked them off the team. They do have a double off days this week. So I think if there was a time to send this message,

it worked out conveniently. But it went from young, dumb guy, unified team. Like, Zach, if you give a good apology, you know, we kind of get it, man. But you have to think of the bigger picture. Let's move on. Let's be unified to Cleve, who's supposed to be the team leader, you know, the team leader on the team, like you said, you know, he was stepping in from Kluber. He had, that was the whole clip that came out with the John Boy on Bowers, Bauerbyte show,

that, you know, he was late for weighing or whatever, and then he read the wrong time, and then he realized like, holy smokes, like Kluber has been that guy, he's been the role model. I want to be that guy. I need to be that guy. And then to have this come out a couple days later, with Carasco, you're talking about three of five guys on the starting pitching staff. You know, you got Cleve and you got Plesack with Carasco. You know, those five guys are supposed to be a united crew. They're the guys you see in the stands and they're talking pitch grips and they're talking golf and they're talking everything.

You know, and for the Indians who their pitching has been so good and they've gone off to this great start, hey, you know, again, you hope everyone's sorry and they're still. genuine apologies and He didn't just do one thing That's kind of like what pisses me off And that's what like I keep trying to Cool down a little bit

About the situation But as I think about it more and more It's like okay you fucked up and went out There's your first fuck up Then you let your boy take the rap for it Drive home in a rental car From Chicago to Cleveland Didn't say anything

Have a team meeting about it Didn't say anything Fly home with your team close quarters fly home with your team like you fucked up a bunch bro like that's telling about somebody

like it's not that you're just trying not to get in trouble you're actively putting people at risk every step of the way I agree with everything you guys are saying I want to say this if you think there's a guy in your favorite team

that hasn't gone out after a game there has the Indians are just being more responsible than 29 other teams right now. And I bet this sets a precedent around the league. Like, oh, other teams are probably going to, like, I bet you, I guarantee other guys have gone out and they're just not getting in trouble. 100%.

But not every team has a guy in their pitching starting rotation. Exactly. Exactly. And I think, but like, we're talking about precedent with the suspension from the league on Luriano. I think maybe the Indians are trying to set a precedent around the league. Like everyone take this more damn seriously because there will be consequences if you go out. The Marlins, you fucked up the Phillies whole thing. The Cardinals, someone fucked up your whole thing, whether it's accidental or not. Like, you know, there's, I think, you know.

Should we read the quotes? Because they're kind of, they're kind of telling in this whole thing. What quotes? If you have quotes, read them. All right, Zach Pleseck on July 3rd. There are common sense situations where you see things. are packed or going out to the bars and drinking, doing stuff like that, isn't stuff that's really important to us right now and shouldn't be important to us right now. We're given this privilege

to play to be able to come back and play and give in the short window to even play. Blah, blah, blah. You said it. You know, do as I say, not as I do. Breaking news. Oh. Centrone suspension. 20 games. Largest ever against an MLB coach. Should be more. I'm satisfied largest ever. At least they, like, made it. it the harshest the coach has ever been suspended adds up in the times but i do think if the aster's wanted to do take things into their own hands they should but they won't i need to see it juxtaposed to loriano's if it's you might if you might begin the same if it's 20 and 10 i think i'm okay with

it if it's 20 and 15 i'm not yeah anyway go back to the quote sorry triv that was no it's okay i look i i'm not i think it should be way more than that but uh Interesting, he came back so fast. Yeah. This is the one that's kind of like, man, this one's going to get thrown back in his face a lot. Mike Clevenger, July 30th, not too long ago. This is from the athletic. Quote, having that trust in your teammates is a big thing.

It's a big thing on the field. If you feel your teammate doesn't trust you off the field, how are you going to feel like he trusts you when you get between the lines? Well, I guess we're going to have to find out, Mike. Yeah. I would like to know, has there been any information confirmed or not about where they went? What they did? Was it like a nightclub? Was it a buddy's house?

I heard that there are security guards there. And the reason that Cleve didn't get in trouble right away was that he just didn't come home. So they didn't see him entering the building again. That's what I heard. I don't know if that's been confirmed or not. You know. Jimmy, you kind of, JJR today, you were in the chat and you kind of started a theory. Do you want to talk about that on here?

Well, it's pretty easy to get some watercolor tattoos and a wig and just fake Be Clevenger at a nightclub in an opposing city. White Sox live in Chicago. I'm just saying. I ask them. Just saying, I don't know. I mean, was it really Clevenger? Or, you know, we need a tattoo matchup or some pictures. I don't put this against the white socks, you know, putting one of them.

You know, Cleve would be on his Twitter typing in those ridiculous fonts being like, this isn't me and he'll add some inspirational quote behind it. He already did that. He's giving me a face of panic. Did he say something on Twitter? Yeah, he tweeted a picture of him and Plesack. No. But I hit the pass and button.

I have news. Okay. Moving forward. Loriano five games. Luriano five games? There you go. That's what I'm talking about. Let's go.

baseball. They blame Centron. That's perfect. Because they should have. Baseball did good. Let's go. I am shocked, but happy about it. Bobby Manfred. That is coming from Nightingale, to be fair. Yeah, coming from Nightingale. So here. Oops, it was 50. So wait, Sunshine has not tweeted anything. No, someone must have retweeted an old picture of him in Plissac with one of those quotes. I just typed Bobby into Twitter like that was going to bring in Nightgale. And then, yeah, my other fake theory, piggybacking off Johnboys is what if, you know, police act maybe had a nice night out, maybe he brings back, you know, basketball player,

volleyball player, long hair, wearing the shoes, gets confused for Clevenger? I don't know. I've got theories. Oh, man. I like that you didn't know where that was heading for a second. I didn't know where that was going. I'm tweeting, did not expect it to be so low, but glad it is. Centrone, the bad guy, confirmed.

MLB confirmed. I'm happy because, I mean, the five games is great. I think they took into consideration that Lordaard does play every day. Joe Kelly pitches, we'll pitch three in those days. I just thought they were going to lay down the hammer because they don't want this to happen again. Fucking everyone go fight? No, no, no, no, no. If someone points at you and gives you the international fight me sign from the Matrix movies,

even Bobby Manfred knows that. That's the thing. That's shocking to me a little bit. That's awesome. Good day. Five games. Oh, I hope Luriano appeals to. Get to three kids.

That is not. That's nothing for charging a dugout in the middle of a pandemic. He got baited, man. He got baited. And to think about Joe Kelly got eight games. for missing somebody. Yeah, the Dodgers have to be like what that. Yeah, Joe Kelly's appeal day.

That's funny, man. How about that? Live, baby. Live. That's awesome. All right, the other topics we have here is Stroman ops out. He gets his service time, opts out, leaves the Mets in the wind. They traded some prospects for him.

They got 11 starts on a third place team and no starts this year. Trev, you had the tweet. Teams do this to players all the time. The Yankees are currently doing it to Miguel Anduhar and keeping them in the minors to get an extra year of control. The Yankees did it to Tommy Canley. The Yankees did it to Brandon Droy. The Yankees did it to Clint Frazier.

The Yankees did it to Glaber Torres. This is all the time. All the time. Teams take advantage of service time to benefit themselves. You cannot blame Stroman. The only thing that sucks, in my opinion, I guess I'll go first. Stroman talks a lot of game, a lot about him and the Mets are coming this year.

Look out for us, look out for us. He also said, do you think I would have thrown 90 pitch bullpens to try and get ready for this season if I was just going to rope a dope and opt out? Yeah. Otherwise, it would have been a bit more obvious, but I still don't care if you rope a dope an opt out.

You're allowed to, if they fuck over players, players can fuck over teams. What I was talking about... But if you're a Mets fan, that sucks. Yeah, what I was talking about with him, I called it a finesse. And I'm not saying Stroman orchestrated this whole thing and never wanted to pitch. That is not what happened.

Look, the guy was excited. Yes, he does talk a lot. I kind of dig that. Gets a calf injury. Okay? Calf injury, mind you, he's a free agent after this year. He understands how many days he has to be on the 40 man to get that service time. Has the calf injury?

It's the middle of a pandemic. am I going to work my way back and then come in and hurt my free agent value? This is the perfect time for him to say, now I'm going to ride into the sunset. I'm going to go make sure I'm clean. Let me get back up to 90 pitches to show I'm completely healthy. And look, man, the best thing for me and my family is for me to not play. I don't need these games. I don't need to take these extra endings on my arm.

Maybe I get hurt. after busting my ass my entire life to be able to reach free agency? Like, look, this was a business decision. Could he have came back? Obviously, probably he could have came back. But he's protecting himself. He's worked hard to get to this point. I do not fault in at all,

especially when you put it up against the backdrop of what teams do to players year after year after year. The Mets got finessed. There's really no other way to look at it. And what are you going to do? You know what I think? They're like, hey, you let his team down. I think the team's like, you know what,

that just gives somebody else an opportunity. Somebody's going to get his innings. Stroh didn't need those endings. Somebody else is going to get him. I do think it affects his free agency a lot. Really? I don't. Yeah.

Why? Because I don't. Teams that like him are still going to like him. Teams that didn't like him aren't going to like him. If he shoved this year, I think he would have got more money. I don't think he's going to get a lot. Or he doesn't. He doesn't project to last a while, so he's one year old.

and he could have really used a bigger, a big season. Now he hasn't pitched for a year. I don't know. I mean, coming off 2019, his combined stats, 32 starts, 322 ERA 184 innings. Yeah. I mean, I'd hold out for that too. It's just, you know, look, and most guys sign insurance policies. Maybe he didn't do that, and he's like, fuck.

He'll get big money. I just think if he pitched and performed, he would have got. Big money. Pitchers always get big money. Weiler got a ton of money. I mean, yeah, I wouldn't. Wheeler's got a little more upside with the stuff and how he's projected a little bit. But, I mean, Stroman's going to get paid like a two, three starter that hits free agency. If you're a Mets fan, I get how it could be deplating a little bit. But just add it on to the pile, right?

I mean, a lot of things going on. But you got to put yourself in his shoes. Yeah. And that's, look. That was a really good point about the play. players, Trev, because, you know, we, we speculate a lot and his fans, you hope stuff and blah, blah, blah. From the vibe we've gotten from almost every player realizes it's a business because it is, it's their lifestyle.

So I bet the Mets kind of, you know, gave us shucks, like, really wish we had that guy, but I don't think anyone is mad. From any player we talk to, I would expect their reaction to be the same thing, like, would love to have that dude, but I get it, man. Like you said, Marcus Stroman is now, he's 29 years old, he has spent the last 15 years doing everything he could to make it to this point. That's nuts. Remember that the season that he tore something, his ACL or whatever the hell it was,

comes back in like six months or less than six months, like four and a half months and pitches in the playoffs? Like this guy's put a lot of work to get where he's at. Like him or not, like I know he's a polarizing figure in MLB, A lot of people don't like his antics, what he does. Will he be attached to a draft pick? I think they have to offer him a qualifying offer. I believe he will.

Yeah, I'm just interesting. Are you qualify offers in this year? Wasn't that one of the things they were talking about? So many things in and out. Yeah. 30 years old, he reminds me of like a little lesser than Kichel when he had the draft kit. He could get what Kikel got, whatever, like a four-year-year-old.

Yeah, but no one wanted Kikil when he had a draft pick attached to him. No one-year-60? People waited until the draft pick. draft pick was out. You got a 30-year-old pitcher with bad peripherals. I think Keikl's numbers had shot down. Like, Stroman stuff has stayed the same. Yeah, yeah. I don't know. He's also super marketable teams like that. That makes sense for a lot of teams, especially in a year where they got to do a lot of things to get eyeballs in the game.

Yeah. So. Like Keikle, Keikle went from 2015, Sy Young winner, you know, almost a strike. out per inning to when he hit free agency he I mean he was striking out much he would led the league and hits allowed like he was on a tough trajectory tromans kind of been on the same thing so we'll see if you're a metz fan absolutely sucks um says metzie as a getsy is it comfortable now are you comfortable in like the pile of filth what do you mean I mean like is it just like are you comfortable, like, with all the things going on. Like, oh, yeah, it's just one more thing going on.

That feels right. It feels at home for us. It's like you almost don't anything good to happen if you're a Mets fan, because that'll feel really weird. So the only thing that's relatable is being a Nix fan, and you just kind of expect failure and you expect this. I think if you're a Mets fan, you're just at the point every year where you've hyped yourself up for the season, and then Sindergarde goes down, and now Strowman's opting out.

And you're just, today's the day you look at, the mirror and you're like, I got tricked again. And the Mets will probably do the other thing that they do to bait in those fans. Wouldn't it be shocked to see them get hot late in the season? Push for one of those final playoff spots. If we get in with DeGrom, do you think we could pitch them two out of three games? Like, I don't know. I think that's what we're headed.

I'm still- Bullpen had a good week. Centrone? The Astros should suspend him for the rest of the year. If the Astros want to shed their culture and their identity as the hated bad culture. It's like, you know, we're at like, what, 20 games in. They just gave them 20, 20-something more games,

just suspend them for the rest of the year for the Astros. They won't do it because they are embracing this identity for some weird reason. Seems like such an easy move if I'm the Astros to be like, you know what? That was a terrible look for us. We're going to, we agree with them. We'll be, we'll extend this for another 20 games. But I think. And Jose Al-Tube is horrible right now.

So Alex and Chun, you're not doing your job. And how perfect is it that like we get continued. to get so many layup jokes with the Astros that it's the hitting coach so people can still say, oh, the hitting coach is still a bag of trash or still trash. It's just, everything is just too easy.

Had the easiest job in baseball the past couple years because they had a trash can tell in the pitches. You know, I don't want to, like, go too far into this, but Altuvae was one of the guys that I remember us saying, like, didn't use a lot of bands.

His numbers were very low. He's taken a beating right now because he's not performing that well. Did he have a buzzer? We don't know. I'm not. We don't know a lot of it. I will say this, man, talented little body second baseman. I was kind of on this take before. Like, look at Padraoya's numbers after age 30.

I'm not saying it's going to happen Al Tuvei. He's had some injuries. He's a little guy. It's an intense sport. I think the second half of Altuve's career, the past 30, ain't going to look like the pre-30. So I think that was coming anyways. And I think people are going to be able to link it to the scandal, which is even worse for him. And dude, I mean, the way he's reacting, he's always been an intense player, but I think he knows, like, the world hates him now. And he was, he was this loved little guy. He was the guy that beat out judge for the MVP, like, and he's just not anymore. He seemed pretty shook in his interviews afterwards when he had to come to grips with that.

So that's, and it's, and I can't even imagine. And I'll keep going back to this point, the Astros paid these guys, even though they knew they were cheating, which is to me, like, what? Trade Springer at the deadline. Jim, the other thing about suspending Centron, they'll never do it because that would literally be the first time this organization would show that

they don't believe in their style. Like they don't believe in what they've been about. You know? Yeah, they have embraced it the whole way. I mean, crazy. Anyway, how deep are we into this episode? An hour? An hour.

The rest of these times, topics. I don't have much. What do we got? Quick hitters. Since he put a proposal to get fans in the stands, Cincinnati approved it. I think, you know, individual states are not acting in the player's best interest or the people's best interest. So we'll see what MLB says. I would hope they just shoot that down and say, nah, we're getting put through the ringer already. We don't need any more obstacles. Imagine if MLB approves this, then every other state's going to try it and prove it that doesn't care about their citizens.

And then imagine if some fans all get it and then you have to worry about that. I shoot this down immediately, which moves us next to the bubble. Everyone's saying we need a bubble for the playoffs. I do think we need a bubble. We said this a couple weeks ago, start putting that plan in place. So if either of you have some quick thoughts on the SINCi proposal and the bubble, I just gave mine. Trev, you got anything? I need to.

Am I muted? Yeah, I can't hear you. Oh, shit. Jake, you got anything? How about that? How we're in? Sorry. Oh, there you are.

Go, Trev. I think it's smart. I think I don't know how they implement it. They better start planning, like you said. But you can't have teams missing whatever the Cardinals have missed. How many is it now? 10, 12 days. It's a few.

It happens in a playoffs. What do you do? The team forfeits those games. That's the only way around it. So they got to figure that out. I'm starting to feel really bad for the Cardinals. They played five games. Flaredes losing his mind.

I don't blame them. They might just be losing his mind. At some point, they may say, hey, sorry, you guys aren't in contention. I think they need it. No, they'll try to do more double-headers and stuff, and I mean, that wears on a team just as much. So that might be tough to watch. Where's the bubble, Jay?

Give me your bubble prediction. Oh, where's the ball? Bring him to Houston, babe. You think Houston and Texas? Let's keep multiplying it. Let's see. You've got the new ballpark in Dallas. Could see that.

Kind of like a Dallas bubble. How far are those apart from each other, Houston and Dallas? It's about three and a half hour drive. I went down to Texas A&M, Alabama game a few years back. Alabama. That could work. Roll damn tied. I think you can do that.

I think California, but I feel like there's obstacles there. Arizona. How about that? You need two. You know what I like about the bubble ballpark? plan the most. I just thought of you know what I like about the bubble plan the most? Deck them out with cameras and TV crews and don't have to spread your resources or do with light crews because we have less cameras. You aren't for these games.

I don't be going. What's that? I think I'm in on the bubble. I don't think you can go. Media. Yeah. Well, if we can go, that's cool. But for breakdown purposes, give me more cameras and replays and angles.

If it has to be, if that's the sword I have to fall on, if that's my moment, Jakey in the bubble, like I think feels like one of those life things. Unless we have to sit in the press box. I don't want to go and sit in a press box. I do. I love seeing all those miserable guys in the press box because it makes me realize how good I have it. It's the best. Perspective is an amazing thing.

Yeah, you like setting up in there and then leaving. And then if we're in the bubble, can you interact with guys? So we'll see on that. I think the bubble's a must just because you're right. There is no backup plan. You can't push games back a week. You just can't. So, yeah, interested to see where they land on that.

Do you guys remember the eyes that we were getting at every spring training park? Would New York be fun? Yanks, Mets? No. Yeah. No, I think most of the people that we met at spring training that knew us were very, very nice to us. Like, I don't think we got some stink guys from men who still read newspapers in the morning. I love newspapers.

Do not talk poorly about newspapers. You knew what you're saying. I was describing. Hey, but I think Texas is the only place this works. Because you got the domes or the roofs at least. There's two stadiums there, three hours apart. Trevor, you ever seen that October baseball in New York City? Too cold, man. The big lights? Oh, that's what it's all about.

Yeah, I dig it. I dig it. That is funny. 45 degrees. I dig it, but you just don't want to, you don't want, if you're not going to risk, if you're trying to mitigate risk, the roofs make sense. That's so different How we see the seasons Like Treve like when I think of playoff baseball I think of a hoodie and a jersey over the hoodie

And that's the crowd And if we did like every game on the In like this south And it was just Dodger vibes But that's just me And that's just probably Northeast fans Because you probably don't think that at all Treve it's just weird

Where our brains go Like playoff baseball is cold Yeah when I think of the World Series I think of camping in the cold. I'm always cold, watched the World Series. Growing up every year I was camping, and we'd watch it on one of those, like, bunny-eared things.

Do I'm talking about? Yeah. And my final thing on the bubble kind of doesn't matter where it is if you're someone that thinks you have a big bubble take. NBA bubble's been in Florida, which has been one of the worst places. But it's a bubble. That's the whole point. So I think they got to. You can't build up your whole season.

The whole reason we fought through the COVID, it scares from two weeks ago. The whole reason we're going to give the Cardinals more games, the whole reason we're doing all this is for the playoffs, babe. And I think they're going to, they're going to secure that. There's a really nice four seasons outside of Dallas. Big spread. I think that could work for the bubble. I'm thinking Texas has got to be the play. So you think you do like central location? A.L or NL in Dallas, NL in Houston, and then have the champs meet up. Yeah. Yeah, I think that makes the most sense. But we'll see.

We'll see. Quick Cardinals news. Flaherty says he thinks they should be back Friday. That's all I got on that. Sources. Just tweeted out a tweet that everyone from Houston that follows me that I have muted will get very upset about. Basically what I said. If Houston cared about their rap and culture, they would suspend syndrome themselves the rest of the season and say that's not what we're about. That's not who we are, but that's who they are and that's what they're about.

So they won't. It's true. I believe it, so I'll tweet it. Oh, man. All right. We're out. That sounds awful, so I'll stop it. See you guys.

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