Talkin' Baseball (MLB Podcast) - 190 | Tatis Homered on a 3-0 Count, Clevinger & Plesac Sent Down, + a Playoff Bubble

Episode Date: August 19, 2020

Baseball is at the forefront of sports as Fernando Tatis Jr. hits a grand slam to pass Mike Trout for the MLB lead in homers, but all anyone cared about is that he swung on a 3-0 pitch (5:05). What a monster! Jomboy, Jake, & Plouffe also share their thoughts on Zach Plesac and Mike Clevinger being sent down by Cleveland (30:50) as well as an inevitable playoff bubble (38:35) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Welcome to talking baseball. Boy, oh boy, do we have a lot to talk about. Fernando Tatis swings hits a grand slam, and people are upset. Let's do it. What's going on, everybody? Welcome back to talking baseball. My name is Jimmy. I got Jake sitting to my left.

We got Trevor coming here from California. Big baby David behind the dish. And we are live in the Roosevelt Studios in the Bronx. That's RSVLTS.com. slash John Boy, go get yourself a hat, a shirt, 20% off, whatever you want. A lot of fun stuff to talk about today, Jake. One big thing, that's pretty hot. Hot in the streets.

But first, Jake, how are you doing? James, Trevor, doing well. As you guys both know from Talking Baseball Pre-game show, check that out, people. I'm feeling great. The baseball was incredible last night. Three walk-offs. We had the Seeger brothers both Homer and their first time playing baseball against each other. Awesome.

We had nine guys hit two home runs in a ball game. Baseball is rolling minus the COVID Reds right now. They're tapping out for a little bit. We got a, it seems like a rotation, but the baseball is incredible. Again, look at the top of the home run leaderboard. It's Tatis, Trout, Betts, and Judge. genuinely a genuine argument for the four best players in the game in this shortened season where anything could happen

and who knows blah blah blah they're doing it the product on the field is good I mean again I just mentioned part of it but we watched the Yankees last night sweep the Red Sox in four games oops we get off of that we record our podcast talking Yanks I turn on the TV to finish off the night

I get two walkoffs D-backs, the Seeger Bowl. I get the A's. The A's got walked off on. Who else? Oh, the Angels. So baseball is great. I'm doing great.

NBA playoffs, too, if you're a sports fan. Trevor Patrick, how are you doing, Big Nasty? You know I'm living in life right now. Last day of A.K. I'm happy you got finished off last night. It's always a good thing. But what you're talking about is true. And I don't usually agree with you, but baseball is so good right now.

we went through all the crap to get this season. We did know how it was going to look. We didn't know how players were going to respond, but the product has been there. When it's on the field and we don't have teams quarantine, it's been amazing. I cannot wait for the three-game playoff series. It's going to be electric.

I think there are enough good teams that we're going to see great matchups throughout. And, you know, I just, seeing the baseball lately has got me excited for that. So it's kind of where I'm at. I'm happy, man. Yeah, I think, you know, there's still some teams, the COVID still dancing around and shutting down games here and there. I think we still haven't had like a full slate of the series yet,

you know, where every team played a full series at the same time. So that's the bad news. The good news is the good is really good right now. And even some annoying storylines, which is the big topic of today, I still think it's good for baseball overall. I am a believer.

I thought the Astro stuff was good for baseball in the off season. Same here. It's frustrating. It needs to change and we'll get into it. But everybody who likes sports woke up and what was the story. And who did it involve? A young stud that we've been screaming. Everyone needs to know about this guy.

And he just put himself on the map because the dumb, angry, old people helped him out. So net, net, as Jake would say, I think it's positive. This episode of Talking Baseball is brought to you by Samuel McLean, Rob Dobson, Isaac Sutton, Rafa Ramirez. What a name. Rafa Ramirez. Matt Caraher, Karaher, Carla, Oliver Richards, Patty Mack, Mill, Urana, and Oscar. Oliver and Oscar, thank you very much to those people there, most recent.

recent Patreon supporters, the most recent patrons. They can be in the chat live. We got a couple people hanging out with us, Wolfgang, Nate Steele, Norm, Thomas, Andrew, Jim, and Nana. Nana. So thank you very much to them, guys. Let's get right to it. Fernando Tatis hits a home run earlier in the game. It's great. The Padres are up seven runs, 10 to 7. The bases are loaded. The seventh inning, right? Seventh inning, right? Seventh inning, bottom seven?

Eighth, I think. Zero out tonight. It's six more out. Six more outs. Okay. So eighth inning. He gets a three-o count. He swings away.

It's a grand slam. Solidifies the game. Seven run lead becomes an 11-run lead. Game is in hand. He runs the bases. He's happy with himself that he did it. He takes the leaderboard away.

from Trout, the best player in all of baseball home run race. Let's glorify it. Let's amplify it. Shout out Roosevelt's race to 20. Let's celebrate this like McGuire and Sosa. Oh no, wait, no. Let's be mad at him because he swung 3-0. And everyone knows you're supposed to grant that pitcher a strike because, you know, he's got feelings and clearly he's pitching poorly and can't find the zone. So let him lay one in there. you know, after that he'll give you a fastball that you're allowed to hit. Oh, never mind. After that, he's going to try to get you out.

And then after that, the other team is going to try and score runs to cut the lead in half and try to win the game and have a major comeback. But you're not allowed to hit runs yourself. That would just be rude. The other team can still try to get you out, but you have to give them easy strikes. Is what the manager of the ranger said. Is what the manager of the Padres said.

His own manager. It's what his teammate, Hosmer said. And I'm sure it's what a bunch of old, angry white men said sitting on their favorite comfy chair that they've sat in with a newspaper on one handrest and the remote on the other. And that's where they sit and watch the games every night. And it's the most frustrating storyline in baseball.

Trev was hot. I got hot. Jake got hot. A whole world is. kind of on our side, which is the good thing. But boy, oh, boy, is it frustrating. And I know I just walked all the way through it. But Jake, Trev, I don't know who wants to go first.

Trevor, go get it. Trev, as a player, man, you tweeted out something really interesting. You said, yeah, we are told to take three O. But it's stupid. Yeah, that's kind of like a tweet for like all walks of life. Like, if you're taught something growing up and then you learn that it's stupid, you can change your thought process and you should change your thought process. So when Woodward references this is the way we got brought up or Bill Ripkin goes on MLB whatever show on MLB network and says,

hey, I was brought up in a baseball family and that's not how we were taught. You get me the guy who is like the ultimate guy on that side. I will rub his face in his wrong opinion like you do a puppy when he pees on the floor. I will just rub his little face in it because it's so stupid. Fernando Tadis, guess what? Grew up in a baseball household. He knows the rules of the game. He understands how to play the game.

It's just a dumb rule. I could go on. I could seriously talk about this for hours. What if he did it on the 2-0 pitch? Is that okay? two-o-pitch up seven runs you probably know a heater's coming there too what's the difference oh-oh pitch for it to lead off a game you're not supposed to swing at that one too like tell me what pitches i can swing at let me get behind and i really have i can get hot on this because in my career

i was told to take way too much we would get down by if we were down by three or more runs in like the seventh inning or on and you were leading off an inning or there were no outs, we were told to take a strike. Now, I don't know if you know what the difference in batting average is from 0-0-0-1. It's drastic. All the numbers fall off a freaking cliff, dude. So you're telling me the hardest thing in sports to do, hitting at the major league level, you want to give a leg up to the pitcher?

Because what? He fell behind three strikes or you're down a few runs? that makes absolutely no sense. And I had guys, former teammates of mine, texting me last night saying like, hey, come on, man, you know how it is. You can't be doing that. Would you steal?

Would you do all this? And guess what? They were all pitchers. You know, like, this is so dumb. It doesn't make any sense to me. You had six outs left in the game. You're up seven runs. How many times have we seen teams erupt

for seven runs in one inning? let alone two innings. It doesn't make any sense to me. And like Jim, you were talking about it. Fernando Tatis, he's one of the biggest stars in baseball. He's broken out this year. Like, was he really good last year? Yes, but people weren't paying attention to him like they are this year.

This guy has come on the baseball map. He's added to the list of young stars that we have in this game. And you're going to try to put handcuffs on this guy, put a muzzle on this guy? No, dude, you let him go. And the fact that Tingler came out and didn't defend this player publicly and like apologize, get the fuck out of here. Now, I get it because he, this is the whole thing.

This is why Hosmer and Machado kind of talked to him. It's that they know that a team like the Rangers for some fucking reason are going to throw it the next guy up. But that's the problem. It's not that he swung 3-0. That's not wrong. What's wrong is you retaliating for nothing.

That's the problem, not Tatis. So you have to figure that side out of it. And let's not forget. There's a couple things here. I'm going because I'm just so, I'm pissed. Let's not forget last year. What did the Rangers do when Mike Miner needed his 200 strikeout? They let a pop-up fall in foul,

ground because they wanted to get this guy too under strikeouts. Don't talk to me about unwritten rules when you're letting pop flies fall and foul territory so your pitcher can hit a mark for strikeouts. Get out of here. Not only that. Someone sent this to me and it's hilarious. Hold on. I got to get it up.

I'm going to be hot. Let me make one more point. Let me find the tweet. I want Jake, I want to hear your thoughts. I've been talking for like five minutes. Is it the Machado Woodward tweet? It's a, no, that one too. That's another one I was in reference.

He's rolling. He's given daps to Machado hitting a 3-0 homer when he was third base coach to the Dodgers. Now he's pissed. I have one about Chris Woodward specifically. I need to go find it. But you guys know where I stand. I'm just furious about this. And anybody that wants to come at me, let's go, baby.

Come at me. We'll talk about this. The baseball needs stars like Tatis. Get out of here. Yeah. Jake, the floor is yours. You hit a lot of the nails on the head, as did Jimmer Fredet to start. So I don't need to deep dive into it. Yeah, I think the only thing where I'm not running as hot,

and Jimmy mentioned no PR is bad PR. I think it's a little different than the Astros thing because the people that aren't big baseball people, I know our friend Big Evan commented under Trevor's tweet, and he was like, why is this even a story? Because if you look into it, you find out that one of the best young players hit a home run, which that's, that is good PR. So if that's, if that's what it takes to get T. Dot T's out there, sure, let's get weird with it. And the big thing that never got me

completely hot about this is that the wave is here. Like the, the only two people that I've seen mad about this were Woodward and Tingler. Um, you know, I think like you mentioned, Hosmer and Machado did some veteran stuff, which I think, I think, I think some of that's eye wash on the field. You know, I'm going to talk to you and let you know, kid, and then they go into the dugout and they say, yeah, hit a grand slam whenever you can. And there's too many other things tied into this. And I think sometimes we get hard on the analytics nerds when they don't give guys the right defensive respect or, you know, they're just missing something in the shape of baseball. If the best pitch you get in a bat is a three-o pitch, go get it. And there's too many stats and

money that are now tied into this, that if you keep going that, you know what, when Tatease is up for hits free agency, do you think they care if he took that 3-0 fastball and then he grounded out to third base? Do you think Tatees can point back to his stats and say, well, I took that 3-0 fastball. I would have hit a homer. No, they're not going to give you any love for that. But if you have another home run in the tally book, they're going to give you love for that. So there's just too much to tie to it. And as true, you're not. Trevor mentioned, I mean, we grow as a society. You know, Phil Hughes tried to do a football comparison, friend of the pod, Phil Hughes, close actual real life friend of Trevor Plouf.

And he tried to do a football comparison, and it didn't work at all. Sorry, Phil, I love you. Because when teams try to run out the clock, it's because they're trying to secure victory. And there is no clock in baseball. You try to secure victory with your run out the clock to... You're trying to... That increases your odds of winning. You're not looking after the other. Yes. Yeah, yeah. So, you know, if you're comparing it to passing in football,

games evolve, man. I mean, look at the game of baseball. Look at the game of football. If you want to look at it like that, like, yes, there's more passing because passing can lead to more scoring. There's more home runs because home run leads to more scoring. And that's all they're trying to do. And it's a, I think that's why I'm not getting hot hot about it.

Because I really haven't seen, like, who's the guy on Twitter? Who's the baseball media person that's really driving at home? Like, that's a mistake. You can't do that. I haven't seen it. So I think that's a good thing, and there's still some old heads involved in baseball. So that's where Tingler and Woodward aren't old heads. These are new young managers that are supposed to be part of the...

Tingler's supposed to be part of the shift of the game. He was literally brought in to be a player's manager to take this young Padres team and mold them and be the Boone and be the Ross and the Cora and like the young new manager and he's so he's not an old head you know if this is leeland or garden hire i get it or even madden like these are supposed to be the new so that's where i'm most so disappointed tingler what the fuck are you doing man how do you he's the biggest stud he's your golden goose publicly fucking wipe his ass for him and kiss his forehead if you want to talk to him behind closed doors and say, dude, you know, hey, if we give you that sign to not swing,

you can't swing. That's a direct order. If you want to swing 3-0, let us know and maybe we'll allow it. Do that behind closed doors, but publicly, Tingler, your one fucking job is to babysit these young studs on the Padres

and have their back publicly. Can you imagine Boone doing that if Glaber got in shit? It's the connection. It's the connection. It's lie through his teeth to protect his guys. It's Tingler still being too connected

to this text. team. I mean, that's kind of... And that's where I think the optics are even worse for Tingler. Yeah, that's what's fueled this whole fire. And it's really dumb. It's really dumb. And like, Treve, I don't know if he dug it up and found it, but I mean, Woodward's walking all over himself and looking like an idiot. Tingler not protecting his guy is really stupid. But yeah, I mean, these guys being linked so closely. And then I think the old heads thing, you're absolutely right on this. But I think that ties back into what Trevor's saying is that they're doing that and they're saying that stuff. So there's not beanballs today, that there weren't bean balls yesterday.

That's why they're doing that whole act, which, again, is just dumb all around. It's stupid. I can't find the tweet I was looking for. My Twitter's a mess right now. Make it up. It had to do with Woodard and like a home run that he hit or like, it was like, how do you have that reaction when this happened to you? I'm going to try to find it. It's not that big of a deal because everyone knows how dumb this is. Like, it's just, What are you supposed to do, man? Well, dude, the biggest thing is Tate's came out and apologized. And the dude just hit his second home run. And the dude had a fantastic night at the plate.

He passed Trout for home runs. And what's he doing his post game? He apologizes and says, sorry, I didn't know the official unwritten rule. I didn't know if I wasn't allowed to swing on 3-0 with five runs, six runs or seven-run lead. I didn't know what it was. Do you want to hear what the official unwritten rule is? This is what I've been taught. and I'm sure this is what everyone is taught.

It's supposed to be six runs after six. Okay. Maybe back in like the 80s. Yeah. That was okay. Big red machine, yeah. Six after six ain't shit anymore. You're telling me we got to, with six runs and nine outs to give, we should stop.

We should go station to station? Nah, man. And you know, the thing is, it's like, okay, you have that rule. abide by the six after six rule. Okay. When you hit a ball in the gap, you still go to second base. You're still trying to hit the ball hard. Okay. So do you think, do you think the stolen base stuff still applies? It's different because you're putting yourself in a, you're trying to move forward on a base. That's not the same as being up there trying to hit the ball. Right. It's just a count. Yeah. And if they're, like, there's so many different things.

If they're not holding you on, you can just go and waltz in there. No one says a dang thing. It's like the catchers don't like that because they don't want to get a caught stealing or a stolen base against them. It's all about not hurting people's feelings. Get out of here. You know who gets their feelings hurt the most? Hitters.

We fail the most, dude. It's so hard. I am not giving you a strike ever, ever, ever. Do you want to know before this game, in the five games before this game, how many runs do you think the Padres bullpen gave up on average? In the five games before this game? Three or four? Four and a half runs.

So you have a seven run lead. Your bullpen sucks. You give up those four runs that you've averaged the last five games. now you're in a save situation. Get more runs, always and forever. Who cares? I saw this on Twitter and this is good. This is good.

If we want to have this rule and people are getting their feelings hurt because, oh my goodness, he swung 3-0 and they're up by so many runs, guess what? Forfeit. Throw in the white towel then. We talked about this. I'm okay with a 10-run rule. Or if you want to forfeit the game to save your pitching and save guys,

I think that's okay. That's like I think Donaldson said it A lot of guys were tweeting out And someone's like If you promise not to hit runs The next inning sure I won't score the runs

This inning It's so But you're gonna try to come back So I should try to also score Another example Which is kind of going around It's like You know

If your team The pitcher's team Is up by seven runs And you get me 02 Don't throw me a strikeout pitch Yeah That's not fair Give me a chance

To get back in this game. That is not okay. Then what are we playing? Dude. What is that sport? Most of these guys, there's two people defending this. It's old. Chris Rousseau. It's, yeah, exactly. It's old dudes who just have zero, like, they don't understand the pulse

of the game. Like, it's gone for them. Like, it's their way or the highway. And then it's pitchers. Pitchers, and not all pitchers, because a lot of pitchers are like, I don't care. I need to make a better pitch, 3-0, or I need to not get to 3-0. but there are a few, and they were in my text last night. You know who you are trying to defend this. It's indefensible. And I dare anybody to come at me.

I dare you. Please. Let's talk about it. Tatis has to apologize. I'm hoping that Tingler comes back from it. I mean, how could you not? How could you not see what's going on today and come back in and be like, you know what?

I know a lot of those guys over there. There's a lot going on in the moment. That's my guy. I kind of screwed up. If I'm J. Stingler, that's the first thing I'm doing today. Who was the pitcher the three behind Machado? Is it the same dude? I don't know.

Let's see if I can bring it up. They had... That was in about, not the same dude. They brought in a new pitch. They did ring in a new pitcher. Young guy, right? Yeah. Okay.

Let me just say this. Let me just say this right now. And if Kyle wants to clip this, somebody wants to clip it. Go ahead. Okay? This is a young guy coming in. He gets the ball. Guess what his manager tells him to do.

Throw it behind Machado. Hit Machado. I guarantee someone told this guy he needs to throw it Machado. He throws behind Machado. Did anything happen? They didn't even issue a warning. Nobody got suspended. Nobody got thrown out of the.

the game, but Joe Kelly got eight games for doing essentially the same thing. Yeah. So I don't even hold this guy accountable because you're a young guy and your coach tells you to do something, you're going to do it. So who's held accountable? Got to be the manager then. Woodward, do you want to sit and complain about unwritten rules and you can't be swinging 30 and then you tell your pitcher to go throw at another star of the game?

Let's hurt this guy so he's not playing. Get the fuck out of here. pretty dumb he needs I mean let's talk about that he should be suspended get him out this is such bullshit

that a retribution for that is so stupid I think it looks really bad that Tingler has connections to Woodward I think if he didn't have connections and then it was just like too stubborn old head managers even though they're young and supposed to be new I think you would be upset

but the fact that they're like looking out for each other and the fact that Hasmer looked at the test Texas Rangers dug out and said, we'll talk to him. We'll talk to him. That's just a thing that'll happen. That's just the thing that he was like, look, man, we don't want anybody else hit.

We'll talk to him. We'll talk to him. Let us handle it in-house. That's okay, dude. Like, they don't want to get it. But if I'm Tatease and I see that, and then I see Tengler not have my back in the press conference, and you're fucking, like, young and crushing it. And it's like, wait, what?

What is this? I'd assume that conversations behind closed doors, with Hosmer, Machado were a lot different. Yeah. Yeah. And the fact that Ting came out and did the press conference like that is crazy to me. It's crazy town. Great band.

Jake probably loves them. That's Funky Town, but, yeah, I don't know. It gets me hot, man. I feel like I've cussed a little bit too much. I'm sorry for that. It just gets, I run hot with this stuff. because, come on, man. What is baseball?

Better out than air. It's an entertainment sport. Yeah, yeah. Let the guy entertain. He's the most entertaining guy in baseball right now. Someone in the chat said, also the Rangers were the team to blow out the O's 30 to 3. I want to find that tweet about something with Woodward, too.

It was like, he's like, this, he's like, someone should retweet this a million times. Like, it's hilarious. It's just, you look horrible, man. Yeah. Okay. Dumb. Oh yeah, wait. I was supposed to give a little monologue on Lance Lynn.

Okay. Okay. Here we go. So Mike Miner cannot hit Tatis because he was the guy telling Ronald Guzman, don't catch the pop fly, don't catch the plot fly. I'm trying to get 200 strikeouts.

I think he either got an incentive for that or he just wanted it as a milestone. Got it, yeah. Either way, guess what, man? Stats pay. Guess what? Tatis trying to get paid. So anyways, minor can't hit him.

I am going to text Kyle Gibson, who's throwing on Thursday. I mean, we're going to talk. He's not going to hit him either. I'm just going to make that clear to him, hopefully. And I don't think Kyle's that kind of guy, friend of the pod. I mean, if you hit him, if you hit him now, you look so, like, you know, you got to look at the public reaction and. You know who doesn't give a shit about the public reaction? Lance Lynn.

Lance Lynn. I don't think Lance Lynn wants to hit people either. No. He's the one guy I'm worried about. I want to just reach out. He doesn't even go on the internet. I'm not even sure he's ever been on the internet. He whoops and hollers Lance is all about kind of story.

Let me know how your carrier pigeon to Lance goes. He literally grabs his nuts. If someone could send a carrier pigeon of this transcript to Lance so he gets it, it'd be nice. Lance, please, please don't hit. Tatis. No, it would be badass. Don't do it, man. If I was a Texas Rangers fan, have you struck out, Tatease?

If you just punched them, made them look silly, you know, beat them at the game of baseball. Win some baseball games. Go beat them. Peace. All right. We're going to move on. We've got a couple more things to talk about. But first, I've got to tell you about draft kings because they are bad transition.

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You want me to guess it and see if it's right? Yeah, yeah, go for it. The one I saw was, we don't quit. We fight. We have quality at bats late. We were one hit away from tying the game or winning the game. Can't say enough about that. Chris Woodward in 2019 after his Rangers came within a hit of tying the Orioles after being down seven in the ninth.

I mean, yeah. I love that. This is the one I got. Woodward hit one grand slam as a player. His team was up by six runs. at the time. He should have just struck out, dude. You're already up by six months.

Why are you trying to hit a grand slam, dude? Send me those tweets. I want him for the breakdown. Okay, I will. Breakdown. Yours was really good. Where'd you find that? Who tweeted that?

We don't love the person, so rather not. Okay. You could just use the actual quote. Yeah, I just find the quote originally. In your face, person. We don't like, who I don't know who it is, but I have a pretty good guess. There's so many.

For me, there's so many. This is old news now, Trev, but Clevenger and Plysec got sent to the satellite camp, and we haven't talked about this with you yet. We talked about it on some pregame shows. Did we talk about it? I don't think we did. Seems like straight roster manipulation to me.

Treve, your thoughts? 100%. You know, Pass and Scott the, the inn on the secret closed door meeting apparently. He would tell us not to tweet something like that, but, you know, do as I say, not as I do type thing. Here's my feeling on it. They're using Oliver Perez as this veteran who has a ton of pool and he said he was

going to walk off the team if Clevenger and Plesack were still there. Do you think Oliver Perez has that type of pull within the inning's organization? He doesn't. Respect. Yes, he's played for a long time. I get it. You might have some respect. But he's not going to make roster moves for the team.

He's not going to call it out. But I'll tell you what he will do. He will be the face of it. So the front office can say, yeah, our team didn't want him. So let's keep him down. Let me get my calculator out. Oh, yeah, let's keep him down this many days. And now both of them are going to lose a year.

of service time. Not lose a year, but add an extra year before they can hit free agency. That's an all-time screw up for these two guys. I mean, Plessac has less than a year. There's like 100 days in the show.

Now he's going to go from being super two to not being super two. That's tough to swallow. And Clevenger's going to delay his free agency by a year. And honestly, normally I would say they're going to file grievances because this is BS,

but they're not going to be able to because the team is going to cite health reasons. And they have an argument against them, a good one. So, like, is it clear roster service time manipulation? Absolutely. Am I happy that it's happening? No, I don't want that to ever happen. But, like, they're going to do it,

and there's nothing that these guys can do about it. and they caused it themselves. There are some times where you just got to say, dude, you guys screwed up. And this is one of those times. And it's costing them big time. That's a huge thing. This is not some small thing where it's like,

dude, Clevenger not being a free agent and having to go play a whole other year, that's... I think it's too much. It puts me back on the player's side. I mean, I know that this is what the union signed this is the agreement and teams mess with service time all time. But does Cleve was supposed to be a free agent at the end of this year?

Or does you have two more years? I think it was after next year. After next year. It wasn't this year. Now it's going to be two years from now. That sucks, man. How do you, how do you have a good relationship? He almost need to trade him this off season now.

I mean, how do you repair that? And yes, Cleve made a dumb mistake. I mean, really dumb. Lying to the team going on that plane when police acts driving his car is about as dumb, about as selfish and rude as you get. Oh, wait, wait, wait, wait, I'm sorry. We are way ahead of ourselves. Way ahead of ourselves.

He's Arb eligible. This year is the first time. He's not a free agent until 2023. Well, still, though, it adds a year. It's still going to push it back. Just like, it seems like that's bad. bad blood. Yeah, and I mean

what you're saying, Jim ties into, I mean, that's why these guys are professionals. I mean, we've done the arbitration conversation on here before, which when you zoom out is the most ridiculous thing in sports, have a team and a player fight about how good or bad they are to get their financials. My word, that's so dumb. And so if you're Clevenger, I mean,

you kind of have to eat the bug on this one and say, all right, well, I'm going to put my head down and shove and either get traded out of here or hit when I hit free agency, make sure I still get my payday. And you're right. I mean, there's going to be no argument from their term. I mean, they could point to the Cardinals. They could point to the Marlins and say,

oh, well, we don't want to shut our season down. And there's basically no counter to that. So there's nothing to stand on. It sucks, man. I mean, Clevenger was a sexy Cy Young pick. And now he's off that team. And I think trying to tie these. stories together in weird Jake fashion, because that's what I do, is we're going to find out

we got some juicy stuff right now, is how do these teams react? Because guess what? When they kicked Clevenger and Pleseck off the team, Indians brought the broomsticks to Detroit. Yes, it's the Tigers, but we forget that these places are workplaces, their environments. Like, the Indians could have a nice little chip on their shoulder and bonded together, turn that three-game win streak into five, turned into six. Like, we've got other pitchers. You know, Trevor talked to you about Pluck Co all day. We've been trying to get in a stop.

But, and I think it's the same thing with the Padres. What happens from here? This is going to be a mark in their season. Does Tingler come in and eat a bug on it and say, hey, you know, I didn't handle that great. I believe in our guys. Does Tingler put up a cold, old school baseball shoulder? That ain't going to go well. And how does Tatis react to all this?

Does Tatis see all this? this online today and he's like, you know what? You guys all like that Grand Slam? Come watch more of the show. Or is Tatis, you know, in this weird, my manager doesn't like me, baseball sucks. These are both check marks in this young but weird season that I'm excited to follow for Cleveland. Hey man, I think Cleven Plesack, you screwed up in different ways on different levels. How do you react? Yeah, Plesax. I didn't even, he's so. And I'm trying to double down. I've talked to some people about him.

And I'll just, you know, I hate that, look, I root for players. These guys are good players. I mean, they're good for the game, too. They have personalities. If you like him or not, whatever. Like, they have, these are good. I don't really know Plessx. Well, first glimpse at Plessx personality.

I don't think it's good for anything. Yeah, I'm not going to talk on Pesex. I don't know him. I haven't seen enough of them. Judging on the one video. The pitchers has a personality. It's a personality that people seem to enjoy. He hits a target demo.

He's a good pitcher. You want to see these guys on the field. You want to see them getting paid because they've worked their ass off. But then, you know, you can't do dumb stuff and not, you know, have consequences. So I really hope the Indians don't go through this and hold them down because they're also, guess what, like they got to win games. And these guys help them win games. Next time we do a giveaway, one of the giveaway, one of the giveaway, is going to be two-minute video of Jimmy doing his Clevenger impression

because it's a sight to see. It's kind of beautiful. And guys, how about my fake narrative I just made up? So they swept Detroit after the incident. They play three versus the pirates. And then they play three more versus Detroit. We could very well be talking about an eight-in-one Indians team since the incident with maybe eight-and-one being on the low end, if they're right.

That'd be cool. anything else we have anything else oh the bubble the bubble the bubble we're not going to spend a lot of time in this but we figured we just keep you guys informed

for those that aren't up to date and I'm not even up to date the article is too long for me passing that's not your fault it's just it's not on you me and articles don't get along which is weird because I love books but I don't like articles

they're going to do a bubble for the playoffs we've been saying it Jake's been saying it it seems like they're already starting this they reached out to the NHL to ask them about the benefits of a bubble. I'm sure the NHL said, keeps players safe, we're in a pandemic. And then MLB was like, oh, shit.

Smart. That's awesome. Really smart. Hey, Bob, they say there's benefits. And then they run the bubble plan. What are the cities they're talking about, baby D? Arlington and San Diego were the two front runners. I believe Milwaukee, New York, and Chicago where all this place is also being considered,

but does the two. Nice. So it's happening. I mean, we'll keep tabs on it for you. I don't think there's anything more to discuss. It sounds smart. It sounds better. Can I say something? Yeah, what do you want? What do you got, Treb? Well, I had hoped that MLB didn't just start thinking about a bubble. No, but they're putting it in place. Yeah, you couldn't have this season in a bubble.

There's too many teams, too many games. Couldn't do it. It doesn't work for baseball. But for the playoffs it does. My thought on this is Houston and Dallas host the playoffs. you have an AL, or I guess you could have an AL and NL site. Both are domed. They're centrally located. Let's go get these guys in there. And I think you could do it that way. Yeah.

We'll keep up. They should do it. Sounds like they're going to do it. Yeah, I mean, you mentioned the player safety stuff. I think more importantly to the people making decisions is the money part. And if a playoff series were to get shut down, that could be a potential fiasco. So the bubble makes a lot of. a sense and I think the guys will be fine with it because I mean, you know, if you do an

AL-N-L bubble, that's going to be two, three weeks. Have everybody check in, do your spit test, do a couple follow-up spit tests, and in theory you should be all right. I think the players are fine with that. And, yeah, I don't know. If I'm being completely honest with you guys, right now I have just a Tatee's dick-dropping tour going on in my head, which is him in the next few weeks, basically saying, I'm bigger than the game and I will change the game.

Yeah. Good. I hope that he comes out with some vigor and venom and not a subdued like, you just yuck my yum. Dude, I hope Machado might be perfect for him. Machado's just going to feel the fire a little bit. Housner's the same way. These guys, I'm telling you, there's no way that behind

closed doors they were like scolding him. There's just no way. Hossmer and him were laughing in the dugout. So I do think he was just placating the Rangers more than actually you think he was like, hey man, I'm going to look like I'm talking to you about something right now, but really that shit was so awesome. Like, you should just keep hitting three-o grannies, and I'm going to act like I'm, I'm chastising you, but really that was sick.

Or just along the, hey, these guys are big fucking babies. Tingler is best friends with Woodward. They go to each other's houses and pool parties, so, like, we just got to act like we can't do this because they're a bunch of... Woodward and Tingler, but buddy baby, so... John Boy's not going to be able to read my lips. The camera's behind me. Tingler is a grinder.

I get it. He's been in the game a long time. But he's also coached a bunch of Winterball. He's very good with the Latin guys. And if anyone has ever played Winterball or understands how the DR and Venezuela and even Puerto Rico how they play the game, like they don't. The other rules are not the same.

Tingler, I guess, is having a press conference right now. And he said at the end of the day, I'm happy the 21-year-old missed that sign, I guess. Eat the bug, Tingler. Dude, what? Stupid quote. That is still a stupid quote. Yeah. Hey, I was, this, uh, this ties into, uh, Jimmer's,

Jimmer's good for the game thing. Have you ever been excited for, have you ever been more excited for a Padres pregame manager interview? And have you ever been more excited for a three-o pitch and a Padres game? Tingler sucks, man. I'm out. I didn't like his whole. presence in the press conference.

I told you I'm not a fan of the Texas Rangers organization. Hey, Traves, I know that Boone Savage's rant is cringy. If you're not a Yankees fan, like our dudes are savages in that box. If you're not a Yankees fan, I can be, I can understand you being like, that sucks. But all you need out of these managers is have your players back at all ends. It's literally their only job. So the players feel like you have a leader. and like to mess it up in your easiest and first opportunity is and now to backtrack the next day after you get ripped to the media.

And I'm glad he's backtracking instead of doubling down. You have to backtrack. But like just a really bad look for Tingler, I think, in his first kind of test of sorts. And I think he failed it. I didn't really know what he was about. I still don't really know what he's about. But in that one interview, I thought he came off like, it's just so easy to have your golden goose is back. That guy, I will.

hope he swings at every pitch and hits a home run. Like, I'm never going to be upset. When that dude's doing what he does, he's lighting up the sport. So easy. It's so easy. What an idiot. I got nothing, man. That's just, it's so, it's, there's no, like,

looking towards the other side and seeing that it could be right. Like, it's just wrong. And I was brought up that way, too, man. I got it pounded into my head. Pounded, pounded. This is the right way to play the game. Blah, blah, blah, blah. Some things you can change your opinion on. This is one of them, Ting.

Chris Woodward. Let's go. Ting's back peddling hard, which is good. And I think there is a little bit of, and again, it's why you tune in to talk at baseball, folks. We the best. Trevor mentioned it with the Luriano thing. I think the A's not having a railing was a huge, factor in that situation. And I think here,

Tengler being connected to the Rangers is a huge factor. He has to backtrack. I really, he has to backtrack. I really don't like that. He said in his quote, he did what he's supposed to do with that pitch. At the end of the day, I'm happy the 21 year old missed that sign. Because he's just kind of making sure people remember, you know, he did miss the sign. We don't know how he's saying that to be fair. What's the freaking sign, dude? Don't, like if he said, if he says that with a giggle and a wink. Yeah, you're right. You know. Good call, Jake. I don't want to be hot to quotes.

I was talking to Dallas Braden last night. My bad name drop. And I was telling him like... Oh, that guy that caught the ball in the pool? That was awesome. That was funny. I was telling him like, dude, I had to take so many strikes with garden hire. And I even got in trouble. I got yelled at in front of the whole team because I challenged, like, go ahead and take a strike when we're down three runs. I'm like, dude, we're down three runs every game. I have to go hit 01 every game. So I told him, I said, when I got to 3-0, I promised you, I never looked at a coach. I am not looking at you.

Don't give me a take or a swing. I don't give a shit. I'm swinging. And our guy from Foolish Baseball got my stats up. He said, I swung 25 times out of 112-3-0 counts. Yeah, Foolish Baseball. He looked it up. It was good.

So that's nice. At least I'm practicing what I've done. The Dallas cut his beard and hair? Is that Braden Kett? Maybe that's not from last night. That's from a couple years ago when he caught that ball in the pool. Do you know? I have no idea.

I saw it and I laughed at. Either way, it's a good clip. All right, that ends the show. Thank you guys very much for tuning in and hanging out with us. Oh, wait, wait, wait. Yeah. Biggest winner of the Tatis thing. Yeah.

Sorry. Yeah. Hang with us one more second. Our boy, Phil Hughes. He owns all of the Tatis, rookie cards, all these things. sitting there laughing because this guy's becoming a superstar and go on eBay, you're going to find some of those

Tatease cards for sale soon. Add. For a lot of money. Get it, Phil. All right. Thank you guys very much. We'll see you later. We got voicemails tomorrow, so Colin, if you haven't already. Love you. Swing away, 3-0. Do what you've got to do.

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