Talkin' Baseball (MLB Podcast) - 2025 Cy Young Draft!

Episode Date: March 17, 2025

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Hello and welcome to talking baseball. We are joined by Enosaris as we are doing the Cy Young draft. Let's talk ball. And it's St. Patrick's Day. Eric Jones. Somebody pinched Trevor. I've green on. That's not green.

That's not green. That's not green. Hello and welcome to talking baseball present you by seat geek. Jake Story Ellie. Trevor. He's got a MERS out. this high-fashioned merce in the mountains. And Enos, Saris, joining us.

Eno, where are you coming from? Fabulous Phoenix, Arizona. God, as we're wrapping up spring training, man. Yeah, it's been a bender of a week. I like that. You know, Eno just informed us. He's not the biggest morning guy, as we told him, hey, let's record at 7 a.m. on the West Coast.

So we thank you for joining us. Treve, how you doing? I'm doing great. Spent the last couple days perusing the mountain, Jake, and I've fallen in love with skiing, as you know. So it's been a great time. But baseball's here, baby. We got Eno, we got the Dodgers game, Dodgers Cub game tomorrow.

Like, time to lock it in, Pop. It's time to lock it in. Yeah, if you're not a morning guy, you know, are you tuning into that? Are you catching the highlights? I'll watch it out. No, I'll watch it out. We'll catch the social media post.

No live tweets from me on that one. I think on the East Coast we're live streaming. So anyone who wants to tune in, I'll be there. I think John's in. We'll see who else in the office. We can sucker into it. But that's for tomorrow. Let's get into the Cy Young draft,

which has become an annual episode for us. We did it last year. We had Jimmy and BBD and said we packaged them together. We got Eno. And BBD actually cooked us last year. He drafted scubel, which ended up being massive points for him, and Zach Wheeler, which that's a guy who always seems to rack up points. You know, I didn't tell you this point.

We just go with the actual vote points from the end of year, Cy Young, and just add them up. So, you know, if you get a winner, you're sitting pretty. But if you get a couple two-threes, you can add them up. Trev, you did pretty well last year. You had Cole Riggins, who was your not, had not received Sy Young votes before. And Corbyn Burns, your first round pick. That puts you in second place.

Jimmy with Logan Webb and Dylan Sees, his last round pick ended up in third. I pitched a shout-out. Not to flex my muscles as I'm dressed up like a goddamn leprechaun today. but strider in the first round hurt pick your mariner i went kirby glass now's end of the season Justin steel and Yuri Perez so that was a kiss of death from me last year well done thank you thank you it's good you know i consider myself an expert in the field of sort and we did uh we did do a random number generator before this draft people may believe if people may not. I got the first pick. Eno will be the two pick in the middle of me and Trev, as he is right

now, and Trev will be the wrap-around. Eno, any, I guess you shouldn't be revealing this to us, but any strategy coming into this, you kind of asked if there was any crazy rules. Not really. We just have our, you need one guy who hasn't gone votes before rule. I may do something strategic about that right in the first round. Okay. I know where you're going, Eno. Okay. Yeah, you probably do. With that,

let's get into it. Also, Eno, anything we need to hype up before getting into the season? Any of your stuff? What do you got? I got player tears up today.

I'm going to do my pitching ranks again. They're pretty popular. I'm going to do my pitching ranks to update them this week. And those will be up on the athletic. And rates and barrels. You know, we're a daily,

daily podcast now. Yeah, man. Yeah. And I'm a, man, I'm excited, dude, this spring, I mean, it's every spring, but you got new pitches, you've got, um, and that's where I said, if we couldn't do this, I wanted to get you maybe a month in, do some stuff plus check-in type deals of who's, who's actually moving the meter. But we'll get there when we get there. Uh, let's get into the draft. The Cy Young draft is brought to you by Seat Geek. Baseball is coming, people.

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With the first pick, it's me. I'm throwing strategy out the window because that worked well last year. No, man, I just, every time I look at the stat page, it blows my mind that he finished third in the Cy Young last year with 133 innings. We have a social guy who's kind of no filter. Shout out to our guy, Kyle.

and midway through last season, he said he's the best pitcher that's ever pitched. And we're like, all right, like, calm down. Like, I don't know. Like baseball happens. We see guys happen and that becomes part of it. Paul Skeens, I think he is different. So if you're giving me the one pick, I'll take Skeens. And I don't know if the new cutter is going to be a real pitch for him.

I don't know if anything matters for him. He just makes it look so easy. He finished third last year to sail in Wheeler with only 133 innings pitch and 233 starts. So if I curse him, then a tough day to be luck of the Irish. That's a great pick. I mean, he's just amazing. One of the funniest things coming up was like we were talking about, oh, the shape of his fastball is not ideal.

I mean, I said that once, I think. Can you talk to me before you say something like that? Like, hey, it's 100 miles an hour and dots it, by the way. Yeah, it turns out if you sit 99, you're fine. It makes it look too easy. Great pick, Jake. Way to go. Yeah, right.

I kind of couldn't screw that up. So I think the draft order worked out. Eno, you have the board. You can be articulate if you want or just dunk on us. Probably a classic overreaction, the only rule and over-stategorizing. But at the top, I think there are some obvious candidates, and it's okay to kind of divert. I'm going to go Garrett Crochet, the hardest throwing lefty in the sport.

Okay. Because he's never gotten a Cy Young vote, and he will this year. I mean, dude is super nasty, and it's obviously, as the hardest throwing left, he's like 698, but he evolved a little bit last year, and he added a sinker late, and he can be a four-pitch guy sinker sweeper of course it's all about that fastball and that cutter but if he's like a four-pitch guy left-hander he's a dominate dude he's gonna he's gonna have a great season that is not where i thought you were gonna go with that one i like to pick obviously he's a yeah he's a stud and i i have very very high hope for him and the red socks this year i thought

you're going sasaki like that's kind of uh that's kind of the shape of his basketball is not I'm not even kidding. He did get taken up top of some kid on the backfield. That was like one of the first outings. He's been good since then. That's funny, though. I like the crochet pick, man. I think the Red Sox are going to, like, shock the world this year.

Yeah, I've got a bold prediction on that, dude. Yeah, I can't tell if it's Trev just trying to balance out our Yankee side at the office, but Trev is really loving the Red Sox this year. Have you seen Roman Anthony's, fucking swing dude i'm sorry yeah well i don't it doesn't for me it doesn't reject well yeah

all right i got two picks here and uh i'm gonna go with i think a kind of a couple easy picks and i want to get some points i'm going i'm gonna go scobs uh last young last year's triple crown winner in the a l i think he just i think he doesn't have a lot of like competition behind him like he's going to be in the top five Cy Young votes in the AL.

I believe behind him last year was Clase, third, and Lugo was two. And like for those guys to do that again is, I don't know how, how much we could bank on that. So, I mean, yeah, crochet is like one of the guys that's going to go up against him, but I believe in scoves his stuff. He's obviously going to have to do that for that tiger's rotation. So I'm going to take him with the number three pick. I mean, he won it last year.

He's in his prime. I don't know. It seems like the right pick. Yeah. Yeah, and it feels, I guess maybe I just have Sandy in my head, which I don't know, no spoilers, maybe, but I feel like, have we seen pitchers have these like two-year runs where they're just disgusting? And then I don't know if the innings catch up or the leagues catch up, but it feels like scoobiles lined up between that, the ballpark and just how he's peaking. that yeah for the fourth pick i'm i'm i'm gonna go with my guy sasaki this the guy's never received a really he's he's come over here i think he looks good uh you could talk about the shape of his fastball all you want um but again i think he throws he can't spin it either he can't spin it

not good listen i'm saying this is someone who would poop my his pants if he'd put it against i know i know but like what about the splitter talk about the splitter though the splitter is really really good but i've seen guys get swings off on his fastball this spring yeah we're talking spring guys too yeah i told you there was that video of uh the lefty for the for somebody uh for the white socks yeah that was that was nice but i mean there's also like couldn't they teach him a good hard cutter or something he's in the dodgers organization i like that for development um and again and vilo is be lo he can't can't say nothing about vio yeah so i those are my two picks i like him i think I'm going to get Sy Young votes from both those guys.

He's got a good story, too. Love the whole thing. I just, I don't, I don't know what innings they push him to. Like he threw, I think he threw a buck 11 last year and also the Dodger season literally just comes down to October that I don't know how much they're going to push him. But I don't know. He's probably, we had a guy with 130 innings last year. Oh. That's right.

Yeah, it doesn't matter as much. It's true. We're going rates. Just spin it back. Look at you, Treff. Eno's here. you got a little more confidence today. I'm dressed like a fucking idiot.

You're feeling good today. You know, the board is back to you. So when this guy, I went to Modesto to see this guy pitch. And he was like this fresh-faced kid that like, he had this big curveball and he was just so happy to throw it. And he was like,

I want to be Justin Verlander. And like, you know, he was like so earnest and I wanted to hug him. And he comes up. And his first. year he's awful it's just getting beat in and he when he comes off the mound he's just all like i just wanted to hug him dude he was like so sad he's a little puppy this is logan gilbert i'm

talking about who throws with most extension of the business so you're the ball is like in your face when he releases it and now he has this like dominant persona on the mound if you've watched him like he's like he's like ready to go and he does this whole thing like in the clubhouse who's done but like the whole like nobody talked to me like i'm locked in like he's got that whole thing going like he's like he's your ace you know he's the seattle mariners ace and uh then he also every spring he shows me like three new pitches so he this year he thinks he might throw three kerboles you kind of i love watching a pitch you kind of lost me now that he is the guy that like i'm picking the music nobody taught to me i'm choosing the jersey we all know those guys but i i do like you i think he led

the league in whip last year 0.8 or something like that i love that i like guys that don't walk people and that's the epitome any throws a ton of innings i like that's yeah maybe i'm a little old school but i like guys to throw innings and don't walk people and that's yeah i think good home parks like that school will pick you know it's like you know good home parks also we need to get in on that one day but like you know we're supposed to be able to like take the pitcher out of the park and be like oh yeah you know like i know like i know what i'm doing when i'm voting but like we're all influenced if that ERA starts with like a one.

It doesn't matter what park he's doing. People are going to get votes. He's going to get votes. How there was that awesome article. I'm blanking on who wrote it this offseason, but on the Mariners ballpark. I mean, you know, how, that's, it's real, real. Oh, I just talked to Mitch Hanigar about this.

It was hilarious what he said. So like, this guy studied the park effect for strikeouts in Seattle. Why are there more strikeouts in Seattle? And the Oscars said the batters eyes, And that is part of it. But this guy took the level of the sun and played that against the strikeouts, expected strikeouts, and found an exact point in the sun's descent where the strikeouts in

Safeco go through the route. I said, what is it called now, T-Mobile, whatever, in Seattle, they go through the roof. There's an exact moment. And I was like, I told Mitch this and he goes, yeah. I'm like, what? He's like, yeah, it comes through the windows. I'm like, what? He's like, the sun, it comes to the windows on the concourse.

It goes right on the batter's eye. And the batter's eye is light green. You can't see the ball anymore. And he sounds horrible. He said it so matter-of-factly. And he's like, and they could fix it if they wanted any day. They just had to put some shades on those. I was like, you think they don't want to fix it?

He's like, no, man, it's like an advantage for them. You know, at T-Mobile, I went five for 60. No, excuse me. Nine for 60, so I hit 145 for the 145. with a 145 slug. That plays so hard, dude. That's so insane. That's so insane.

I think Petriello wrote the article earlier this offseason. Go click on it because some of the routes and things that just get mentioned, I think there's a wind tunnel potentially, like in front or behind the mound. And it's just, how do we do this? And how it affects the game is crazy. and I always jump to the opposite of that. The first London game, like when guys were just teeing off,

I was like, time out. So if you just, even if the mound and the plate are the same distance, if you change a couple of the ballpark factors a little bit, it's a completely different sport. Yeah, you know what the trop does. It inflates your stuff as a pitcher. There's a stuff part factor.

That's why the strikeouts are through the roof in the trough. is because it's like a lab. So it's a lab environment. The pitch comes out. It does what the pitcher wants it to, you know? I hit 165, uh, a 223 slug. Tress.

I'm just looking at the stats, people. You take those two ballparks out. Out. Yeah, they're really good, dude. They didn't have park adjusted back in my day. Yeah. Yeah. Well, would Ron Gardenhire tell you about the park adjusted stats? Today's episode is sponsored by Best Western Hotels and Resorts.

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but they start to blend together a little bit. And I guess on a given year, I don't know who's going to be the guy, but he's been the guy. And he finished six in Cy Young voting last year. Okay. So that gives me the double. Do you want to play it safe, or do you want to go? I feel like I should be playing it safe after I look at it.

A safe guy, Jay. Yeah, you're right. You're so right. You're right. Let's see. Kirby Yates got two votes last year. No, I think I'm going to go with, you know what? We've got more brain power here than we normally have.

I'm going to build off of it. And I liked what you were saying about Tampa, a guy that's got pretty good odds, and he's coming back this year and not a lot of people are talking about it. I'm going to take Shane McClanahan. Shane McClanahan is back. I think people forget. Not people forget. That sounds like lazy podcasting.

But that guy's nasty, man. And you, hardest throwing lefty. I guess I'd have to put them side by side because I feel like McClanahan had similar to what Crochet had in the tank. Maybe he's got the higher max. But give me that ballpark factor that Eno just planted in my head. and I was thinking about taking him anyways in this trap. They're not playing at the trough this year, Pop.

Fuck! I take my pick back. I take my pick back. They're playing in a mini-Yankee stadium. He's going to get rocked. I take the pig back. Trev, that's why we keep you around, man. This whole time, I was like, he knows they're not playing at the drop. No, I totally forgot.

That's such a weird storyline to this season. They're playing at the Yankees High A facility. Okay, McClan. You're out. It doesn't matter. You're changing. Yeah, I'm changing. No way.

Oh, wait a second. Referee. No way. Rob. Rob has is the pick in? If the picks in, the picks in, the picks in. I mean, I don't,

I think it's out. I don't want to, because you didn't know. I did, though. This is my job. I'm keeping it. I'm keeping it. You host a baseball show.

God damn. That's on me. Didn't read the packet. Put the goddamn roof back on. Well, shoot. All right. So that pick's going to be bad. That means,

you know what I love. I love McClanhan this year. I love him. I think he's going to be special. I think he's going to be back. God damn it, Jake. I think I'm going to go lefty and lefty. God, he finished six in the Cy Young in 2022.

Maybe he's going to be, this is going to be his scoobble year. This is going to be his bounceback. I'm going to go with a guy that he found a new home. He got the Cy Young a couple years ago, and his second half of the season is always better than his first half of the season. It's my favorite stat in baseball, because he's now been doing it since 2016. I'm going to take Snell.

He found a new home with the Dodgers. They kind of don't care about anything. because they have this great team, but he might be the horse for that team. And if Blake Snell throws over 130 innings, he tends to win the Sigh Young. So I'll go with Snell. Yeah, I mean, you know,

if they do go to a six, and they kind of been doing an undercover six for a while, a six-man rotation there, I feel like they cap out at like 135, 140 innings. Hey, give me 140. I mean, yeah, if they're dominant, like the Skeen's thing, it's a good example. we're definitely as a voting

crew at the BBWA. We have definitely over time have been voting for less sample, like, you know, lower fewer innings. I, uh, I don't know. I just feel like he's, uh, you can go on runs. That's what you love about him. He can go on a run where he is absolutely

unhittable. He looks like the best picture of the game has been the best pitcher in the game at time. So I, I understand the pick there. Well, give me, give me like a it's something like to be a simple as he won the Siong before. Yes. Okay. Then maybe he'd win the Sion this year. Give him a full spring training and like healthy and that just, I don't know,

everything with the Dodgers org. If he has a three, five at the All-Star break, he has a great chance to win the Siong because he, every year his second half is better. I'm done. You're going to come back to these last two picks and they're going to be pointing them out. Yeah, I'm worried. All right, Eno, pick it back.

It could be in a good way, dude. Two dominant lefties. That had a great year? Yes. Thank you. I'm going to go with a Ritey, whose best pitch is the cutter that he lost for a little bit of last year, but he found it at the end of the season and added a sweeper. And I think he's going to come into his own.

Corby Burns is going to come back a little bit on the strikeouts in a great place, I think, for a dominant season. That park is just, it's another kind of a labby environment where, like, you know, he'll get those movements down. The cutter is a dominant pitch, and it suppresses balls in play. So even if he doesn't strike out the world, I think he could, he's the kind of guy that could have an ERA starts with one. No, I mean, that's one of the reasons I picked Scoobes because Corbyn's out of the AL and he's, you know, he's not a lot of competition in the nationally.

I think that's where some of the best pitching lies this year. But, I mean, I like. It's going to be a tough one. I like the team behind him as well. So he got the deal. He's going to be at home. There's a lot of things to like about, like you said, the environment there to pitch in.

And I feel like that staff, knowing some of those guys, like I feel like they're just going to talk a bunch of ball and like going to all get better because of it. So I like that. Did he change the shape of his cutter for contact initially last year? And then by the end of the year changed that? Or am I missed.

You know, I think that, you know, what happened? I was talking to Dever at this one time. Like, Beaver really, realized all of a sudden that he had changed the, like the release of his curveball, like an inch over the course of like eight years. Just like a little bit, a little bit, a little bit. And then they like he should, they showed them the like the slow motion video of early in his career and like lately. And he's like, what? Like I think that things come and go a little bit.

Like you, you kind of do these little little adjustments. And then someone's like, hey, by the way, like your curve, your cutter doesn't have the same shape. You'd like, why? You know. And I think he's pretty inquisitive. He's like, you know, the brewers like, tend to like. have these these really inquisitive pitchers that you know mesh with their very analytical style in Milwaukee so i think he's the kind of guy who'll tinker and add i like guys who add pitches like

like logan gilbert's three curve off yeah yeah all right coach i have one uh this guy is in a walk year so he's looking to get the uh big payday last year i believe i have it up right here with sa yung four He plays down in San Diego, and he is one of those guys this year that's adding a new-ish pitch. He's changed his change-up. He started to throw it a little bit harder. That's Dylan Sees, elite innings guy, strikeout guy, everything you like about a Cy Young pitcher, Dylan Cease is. And again, it's the walkier, man. He's got to go ball out this year so he gets the fat payday.

I'm taking him, what was that, my third pick? Yeah. That's pretty good. That's a good pick for a third pick. He getting traded? I didn't laugh because his old change of was like made me angry. It was like 65 miles an hour, wasn't it? Yeah.

And he like dropped it on the plate. It was just like it. Like it was like an ephist. It's an ephus of changeups. I'm ready for I'm ready for him to have a good changeup. I am ready. The first time I ever saw him was on the backfield. And John Baker was like, you got to see this kid.

He's like 98 up here with a power curve. It's like the best prospect I've ever seen in those when he was a cub. That's kind of sad for them. 33 starts last year. I'm like a big bolt guy. And you guys let me have this guy. And now I've got both triple crown winners. I'm going to take Chris Sayo with my wraparound pick.

He's an anomaly. Like nobody else throws like him. I always say that on our show. Like the arm angle, the way he steps towards the first base dugout. Like everything is just different. You do not see guys like him. It was very hard to, you know, unless you face him time and time, again like you're just not ready for it it doesn't matter he changes shapes with all his pitches

slows them down speeds him up uh and again triple crown winner last year give me chrisale i love it love it thanks guys yeah that is he where does he like mechanically if you are looking at it from in the box where does he does he look like a randy johnson or does he look like um like a madison bum garner at all he's these kind of lower bum's a good one i never i never faced uh Randy Johnson. In fact, my first ever almost like big league at bat was in spring training and I was on deck and I was about to face Randy

Johnson. I was like, what is going on in my life? I was like 18 years old. And he ended the inning right before they went to a new pitcher so I can get to face it. But I think Bum Gardner is a good comparison there. It's just so different and Bumgarner was like a big

presence and Sale is like a slender man. Like he's so it just looks weird coming out. He looks like he's picking over to first base. And he, every single about, I mean, we can go and check this out. Like, I feel like every single bet, all he would do to start me off to get me 01 was a throw the backdoor slider. And it starts in the other batters box.

Could never pull the trigger on. I knew it was coming. And he would just never look like a, never looked like a strike. It never looked. And you know what? With the new ABS, I might have been challenging it every single. It might have went around the plate. I don't know, but that's what he would do to me every single time.

And again, you just, you just can't, you can't, there's nobody to pitches like them. So you can't really compare pitchers. You're just not ready. So for sale, my guy. Nice turnaround, Trev. That was, that was better than my turn. Eno, you know, split us up. I'm going with a new ligament on a near Hall of Fame guy, I think, already.

Jacob de Grom, give me that new ligament. I just, not to be less facetious, like, you know, what I like with guys returning is when they come back at the end of the season and just demonstrate that their stuff is back and like, you know, that they can maybe have a normal off season. So I really like that de Grom came in and, you know, blew his 99th in Hondos and, you know, it looked like he was Jacob de Grom again. And I think that, you know, a team needs him to be their ace. And I think he'll, if he gets like 140 innings, man, like, I think he'll just, he might just win a Cyano. I mean, he's that, he's that good. he's I think our generation maybe best per inning pitcher you know per inning starter but you

the bulk has not been there for him so that's why it's a it's a borderline hall of fame case but I think he'll I think he'll start to remake that case with you know like a sigh this year in 140 innings he just big leagued our friend jolly olive so I got a little bad taste my mouth with him but I think every baseball fan is rooting for de grom to come back and look like the guy that you know he can he did like you mentioned last September come back and make those starts. He's looked good in spring training. So it's how long does it last, right?

I guess that's what we always think of with Jake the ground, which sucks that that's the first thing you go to. But he is. When he is on, it's something different. And tell me this, you know, you know,

obviously he was a shortstop, you know, became a failed shortstop, becomes a pitcher. I feel like he throws, like, do you ever see, like guys that change from position players to pitchers

kind of like later in their life? Do you feel like they have different, like, arm action like i i always feel like he's got a short stop like a shortstop's throw to his it's kind slingy yeah it's like uh but also uh lower slot like to some extent you know like uh schwellenbach and michael givins were short stops and they had these weird like side slots and maybe that's an adjustability with the arm angle i feel like too like you can kind of make throws from all these different angles that you have to do as a short stuff you and i don't know if he's done that over his

has changed a lot. It kind of looks like he's got great mechanics that he repeats a lot, which is what you want. But I always noticed that guys, he throws the most stressful. The reason he's hurt is he throws the most stressful pitches on your arm. I mean, he throws really close to his maximum, which is supposedly very stressful, you know, other than just throwing 99. And then the hard slider, they did some research a drive line, but they were looking at the different, the stress on your elbow with like the pulse, I mean, the, whatever, the sleeve that they have. And, uh, they did it. And, uh, they did it. They found it was like, oh, fastballs put more stress on the elbow, except sliders per mile per hour put more stress on.

So if you throw a 92 mile an hour slider, that's like it could be one of the most stressful pitches in baseball. But to take McGraw and so big, me when I was a little bit younger, the writer, I came up to him and it was like, you got any time? He goes, no. And then he sits down. It takes out a bag of chips. and he eats the chips one at a time while looking at me. I'm back in on him. Yeah, I think, yeah.

That's acceptable game day behavior. Wait, big league, jolly, big league, you know, yeah, that's kind of, that's not bad. But it's not too bad. God, it's crazy that we can't even like, we can't daydream of it. We can't daydream of the 150 innings because if he does, Then he probably does win the Sy Young. It's been a minute. And he should, if he is, Texas and what they're doing this year.

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responsible gaming resources, see dkng.com slash audio. Okay. I'm going to get my, my, hasn't gotten, Sy Young votes out of the way before coming up on the last round of the draft, right? I'm between, there's a couple of Houston guys that are interesting, a couple other Pittsburgh guys that are interesting. I'm going to go Hunter Brown. Houston, I don't know, it felt like a weird offseason. I think if this was a team without what they've done over the past decade or so,

that we probably would have been tougher on it, but Hunter Brown finished down the stretch really strong last year. His last 13 starts, he had a 232 ERA. He kind of gets both sides out, and he's hitting his prime. He's 26 years old. They're banking on him to be the one-two punch with Framber. But I'm going to go with Hunter Brown. You mentioned old Verlander comps.

I feel like when he came up, it was like, nice fastball, Verlander, Houston? And I don't know. It felt like something clicked last year, so why not take a chance out of the guy out of Wayne State? How about that? Love it. Yes, you know. He represents a little bit of the newest trend.

We have this stuff-related trend. We're like, just throw your best pitches and no, no, don't throw your bad pitches. And now we're in a little bit more environment with everyone's like, I need to have four fastballs. And Hunter Brown added that sinker last year. And after he added a sinker, the RA started with a two. Like it's it just all clicked for him. I think people were keyholeing his fastball and just it was it's a good fastball.

But if even Verlanders had this happen to him where it's like you give up homers if they guessed right. And it makes it harder to guess right if you have two or three fastballs right. Because you're like, oh, it's hard. It's the four scene. Oh crap. It was a sinker. Yeah.

In 2023, he was a four seam curveball cutter guy. And the curveball just got absolutely blasted. So last year, like you said, he added the sinker. that was had an eight run value he threw that that was the second most used pitch behind the four senior i like guys to make adjustments you know i like guys it seems like now i just had an episode with Kyle gibson talked about pitchers and how it's easier than ever to add pitches because you have all the data you have the slow-mo cameras and it's just a bull it's a bullpen away to fucking add a pitch and every hitter just groans and then we got guys complaining

about what is the trajectory the bat like the yeah the pitcher throwing and it's the machines throwing to the hitters, the pitchers are really mad about that when you can just add a pitch whenever you want. Like, I'm over it. So I like Hunter Brown. I talked to a pitcher that used project to get better. They were trying to convince Hayden Birdsong that he would be better on the third base side of the rubber. So they had him stand in against himself and throw the slider and they moved him as if he'd be on the third base side of the rubber. Like, do you see it? And he's like, oh, yeah, I see it. So I think Shane Bieber was doing something with Dallas Braden. He said something like I don't understand why I just don't throw a slider down in the way every pitch

because he stood in on himself. Yeah, right. The pitchers only knew. Yeah. Oh, do you, I saw a presentation this weekend out of this analytics conference here where the average amount of pitches added every season, uh, since, uh, Hawkeye or since Chalkman came in, it's like just been steadily going up. The average pitcher now adds like, uh, four-tenths of a new pitch.

I mean, that's, that means that, like, like, like you know what I mean like that means that most guys are actually adding a new pitch they say they are and you know you never know to believe them most guys it's like every other guy is actually throwing a new pitch if I could get my like hitter bias away I think it's really cool yes the pitching science like just and we all get to see new pitches and there's like the chance we'll see a pitch type we haven't seen before I'm I'm chasing a story on a pitch we've never seen before so okay okay yeah I mean like we're talking you know everyone's throwing they're kick change now and it's like when i see guys like i love when guys take their the baseball out and show me i move my finger here and then up the seam and here i'm like you and then it goes yeah and and they all can do that you know before it was it took it took it took a long time to to know what you were doing and you couldn't really you didn't have the instant feedback like they have now so now it just happens it's like it's like it's like it's like technology and the simulation that we're And, you know, it's just faster and faster and faster.

We're not going to get into that. Oh, boy. Oh, boy. Yeah, Trev, I did like, that was pretty crazy. You talking to Gibby last episode, and you mentioned the kick. You mentioned the kick change. And Gibby was like, I'm not sure what that is. But then he started talking and he basically figured it out on the fly.

He's like, I'm guessing. It's like, okay, Kyle Gibson with a kick change for my Yankees in a couple weeks. Love that. Let's do. If he'd sat like 98, he would have been on an amazing pitcher. Dude, he's had a great career, you know? Yeah, he did have a great career, yeah. He's not done yet.

I see what you're saying. Yeah, right? The second half is coming for Gibby. Let's do the final round of the draft. I can't go risky because I already did that in the middle area. I'm going to go to the opposite of kind of this, like, high end, 140 innings, 150 innings. Like, can Zach Wheeler get one?

He's got... See, Zach Wheeler is still on them. He's got two Sy Young 2. Well, that's because, you know, people were jumping for McLanahan. He's got two Cy Young 2s in 21 and 2024. And, man, it's crazy, you know, because we think of him accumulating in, okay, 200 innings last year. The other time he got second, he had 2.13, and he just seemed stable for that. He led the NL and whip last year.

Like, I don't know. I think we I don't think of him that way even though his dominant starts obviously are there he's a guy that threw five pitches last year and he's he's going to be there he's going to be there so I'll round it out with Zach Wheeler a little safer than some of my mid-round picks

you needed that pick Bob That was huge for the little guy Where do you round it out of you know my pitcher lost more Vuelo over the course of the season last year than any other qualified starter that makes him a really great pick Cole Regans I think actually though that he's figured out when Brown mechanically he said it was more of a lower body issue than you know the arm getting tired or whatever it's always a little bit of a risk with him because he's kind of a two Tommy John guy but it's pretty nasty stuff when he's out there and I'm going

bet on a guy I like I like the parks you know I think that's a decent part for guys I know that it plays natural neutral overall but it suppresses homers so that's always a nice thing to have in your pocket it's a pitching high Velo lefties a theme of the draft he um wasn't he was sye young four last year wasn't he yeah good for him I picked him last year I was going to go with him if you didn't you know that's a great pick now I got to rethink everything I think I'm going to go with a safe pick here as well and you know I talk about what I like in pitchers and again I like guys that throw innings still I'm still that guy

probably will always be that guy I'm going with my guy Logan Webb because we didn't pick Logan Webb we would hear from Logan like how did you not pick me so I like I like the defense behind him I really you know he plays to that obviously I like the park that he pitches in the fact that he makes every single start goes deep into games he's kind of again everything i like in a starting pitcher so logan web at the bottom of the draft is is pretty good for me i'm happy with that pick yeah i think there was

a little bit of pushback last uh was it last year when he had the you know the he always had the most innings you know and there was the closer it gets with the other guys in terms of er a and strikeout the more somebody's going to be like yeah but he threw 200 you know come on and there's there's definitely been some of that in the media i could see i could see that there'd be being like sort of a campaign for Logan Webb, you know. We go. You know what? We kind of forgot.

I didn't forget we knew this. Like you're, you're kind of insider trading right now in this draft because you have a vote. Like, we don't have votes. What's going on here? They don't, they haven't handed me a vote yet.

This is how I'm going to squirm out of this one. Thank you for that. But, whoa. We get, we get our votes assigned. like August. So I potentially could vote for MVP. So after I get my vote assigned, I know what I'm voting for. I actually do stop talking about it. No, I know. You're here. You're the pitching

guy. But I can't, yeah, that's the other thing. I couldn't stop talking about pitching because I might get the Sall Young vote. Like, that's my job. Yeah. Wow. Trev kind of throwing a dagger at the end there. Thank you. Hey, I mean, you're right. You're right. It is the, it is a, it is a funky thing. those awards. But I do, like, as soon as I know what I have, I stop talking about it. The final rosters for everyone. Trevor Plouffe, uh, with the last pick, took scubel, Sasaki, Dylan sees, Chris Sale, and Logan Webb,

Eno, Garrett Crochet, Logan Gilbert, Corbyn Burns, Jacob de Grom, Cole Riggins, and myself, I took Skeens, Shane McClainahan confidently, Blake Snell, Hunter Brown, and Zach Wheeler. maybe we'll come up with a fan team because, God, it's, it feels silly whenever we do something like this. And if you have three or four guys, the names that still get left off the board. And it's just tough.

Like, it feels bad, but year and year out, like Seth Lugo finished second last year. And I don't, I don't know. That's tough to say he's going to do that again. Yeah, I could see somebody like Schoenbach, like getting in there. Right. In the same way as Lugo, because he has a ton of pitches and good commitment. and. Yeah, even the, we had a list of 12 guys in each league that hadn't received votes before.

Tanner Bybee, Glass now. Ronel Blanco was the other Houston guy I mentioned. Tanner. Hasn never gotten votes? Never gotten the votes. Crazy. That would have been a good one. Tanner Howlke, if he takes another step like he did last year, I was wondering if Treve was going to bust out a twin, Bailey Ober, Joe Ryan.

My, my quality start king. Bailey over? I do love I do love him and Joe Ryan. How about Framber Valdez didn't get picked? That's baseball legend. The fact that we didn't go there is alarming. His contract year too, I think. I think. I mean, he's not just like a groundball guy.

Like, he strikes guys out. I love, we love Framber Valdez on this show. He starts banging that down the end curve. Yeah, I thought, I thought about taking him with that McLanahan pick. I'm just staying away from my Yankees right now, dude. bad Clark Schmidt News he's throwing a bullpen right I don't know it's getting oh yeah give me baseball games that count and they didn't really have debts you know because of

their trade thanks keep going and they're out of prospects um camslettler come on down cookie carrasco yes not drafted there's your four and five baby not drafted um you know Thank you for doing this. I know Trev was hitting you up last week.

I hit you up this weekend, and we always love hearing from you. Stop the music. I'm not ready, Rob. I know we said it before, but go check out the podcast. Go check out your riding at the athletic. Go check out your pretty sunglasses. I don't know. Yeah, over at Rates and Barrels.

We had a closer last year, Trevor May, and this year we were adding a hitter. so that will be news coming down a pipe soon. Yeah, when's that announcement coming? Yeah, any time. Okay. Oh, a little teaser for the people. Do you know who is? No, I said when is that announcement coming?

Okay. And any, any, any, I'll wait on. And how about that? Any more underwear modeling stuff coming up or no? Oh, I do have a, oh, I should do this one. If you're listening in San Francisco, we're doing live shows at the bear bottle. at in Bernal Heights and I made a beer and and there's a video of me in our discord that's like just giggling like a school girl putting the hops in just absolutely a child just taking big deep

breath through your nose yeah it's like this is so much fun and they're like this is work you know sandwich king pitch king beer king and honestly you're my favorite baseball writer. So, thank you very much. Wow. God, now hit that music. That's where we do it. Eno, thank you so much, brother.

Enjoy, is it final day at spring? Yes, I'm out. Wow. Hope you had a good spring. We'll see everyone on Wednesday. Thank you very much. I stink. Happy St. Pats, I guess.

I might have ruined it for everyone. You did. The wrap around around the world, baby. That was a tough two picks right there. Oh, did he shoot himself at the end? I don't have Zach added some blood in there. No, no. All right.

Uh, do you know.