Talkin' Baseball (MLB Podcast) - 220 | ALDS Game 1 Slugfests

Episode Date: October 6, 2020

The first games of the ALDS were Monday! Jomboy, Jake, & Plouffe recap the Astros win over Oakland (3:00) and the Yankees win over Tampa Bay (16:00) before the NLDS kicks off Tuesday! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Hello and welcome to talk in baseball. The first two games of the ALDS have been played, and now we shall talk about them. Hello and welcome to talk in baseball. Thank you very much for joining us today. My name is Jimmy, sitting to my left, is Jake BPD in the corner, producing his butt off and over in California, the soft coast. We have Trevor Plouf.

wearing a Jake Sucks hat and got his carrot picture behind him. I love the carrot picture. Big fan of the carrot picture. Jake, how are you doing? Art. I am good. Tell them where we are. James, Trevor.

We're live in Roosevelt's Studio East. Trevor Plouffe with the Roosevelt's tea on today. That'll put some lead in your pencil. I'm doing well. We've kicked off the A.L. Division series. Treves Yanks are rolling. and John Boy's Astros are rolling a little bit. So some exciting storylines in the ale before the NL kicks it off today.

And a good day for the Twigs yesterday all around baseball. Ball was flying out of L.A. Trev, you would have been a 30 homer guy there. That's something we've got to talk about here. These homers, if the ball's going to continue to fly, we've got to talk to Meredith Willis about this. Wills or Willis? Meredith Wills. believe.

Yeah. I get that mixed up all the time. Anyways, yeah, the ball was flying. Carlos Correa went on a dick-dropping tour. Good job. Jake pick there. And then the Yanks bat stayed hot. It was, this is a day.

Like you said, the offense definitely showed up. Yeah. Overs were the call. Big time. I don't know. Do we just go straight into the games, Treve? I got to tell you about the patrons that brought you this episode. I surely do.

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McCullors Bassett. McCullors Bassett. Astros A's. In L.A. Early start time. The final. Astros 10. A's 5.

Crush Davis with the early. Homer. A's fans getting excited about that. Is he back? Is he being right? John Murphy with a Homer all over it. How bad do you feel about that? Just slightly off of it. Homer draft stuff. Bragman with the punchback. I think a playoff punchback is a very real stat that kind of needs to be tracked. Correa does it. Three nothing to tie to threes. Maddie Olson goes yardskey. A's fans are excited about that. He had a rough wildcard. Is he getting it going can a sack fly it's five three and then houston goes off in the six uh springer with the rbi double altouva r b i single brantley rbi single all sparked by a simian error pretty brutal

bad timing you can't have that in a playoff game and then korea my word he goes yard again uh they put on some insurance runs in the ninth astros 10-5 uh their bullpen holds Both starters got knocked around. The ball was flying out early. I do think there was a difference later in the game. Couple hard hit balls did not get out. Astros, man, the feathers are starting to come out. They're starting to peacock pretty good.

And I told you guys this. You guys were so against this. I said, if they do something in 2020, we have to consider it legit. And right now what they're doing is legit. Carlos Correa has taken it upon himself to be the most hated man in baseball and then he backs it up with a dick dropping torso what are we supposed to say we just got to say great job we're not going to forgive you for what you did or forget about it but i respect him for going out there backing it up man i have so have trev okay i thought

about this and i probably shouldn't even put it out there but i'd almost i'm almost like would be i just love a good storyline and i we thought thought about, we were walking the line, I said, what if the Astros win the World Series and in their path, they beat the A's, they beat the Yankees, then they beat the Dodgers, and they just double bird the whole way. It would be something. It would be something. I think baseball would have to just quit existing.

Oh, internet would be over. We'd all, all those astro haters would have to be like, fuck. the internet would be over. Good job. You know, the thing about that is, they would look back chronologically, and like who was supporting us in 2020 and be like,

Trev was. And Jimmy and Jake shut it down. And that's how it's going to be viewed here. This is a good team. I told you that. It's a good team. Sometimes don't know what you're talking about because I picked this Astros team

to beat your twins. Unlike you. Unlike you. You picked them because you put, well, it doesn't matter. but they're going to go review the tapes, and if they're reviewing the tapes, you know, they'll hear that.

I said, from the get-go, you jumped on the bandwagon late. I said from the get-go, I said, whatever they do in 2020 is absolutely legit. You have to give them credit for that. Yeah, I don't think anyone's- You guys were not on board with that. Why would we fight you on that?

No, it was legit, the regular season. You did fight me. I don't know why. This is why we happened to have my talk. We were analyzing what they've done so far, and they were under 500, and all of their guys, had some of their lowest batting average of their careers coming off of a cheating scandal.

So I think any takes that came from that were fair. Anything they do this year was legit because they're not cheating anymore. And guess what? I mean, go look at their hitting stats, Treve. Everyone played below their career levels. Now, I pick them against your Minnesota twins because they have playoff experience. They've done this dance before. I still believe in those names, the Springers, the Kareas, the Brayes, the Brayas.

Grant Lees and hell Zach Rinkie. I think the bigger thing is the bullpen that everyone was shitting on yesterday. Guess what? I don't even understand what you guys are talking about or arguing. You're going to- I'm not arguing. Don't skip to the pitching yet. I want to talk about the hitting.

Okay. The core four from the cheating crew went off yesterday. 11 for 18, 3 home runs, 8 RBIs, Springer-Altuve, Bragman, Karea. I mean, Bregman had four hits. Correa had three, but Altuva had two. Braggman had two. They went off, so it's good for them. And at the end of my dream, where the Astros beat the A's, the Yankees, the Dodgers

going to fuck you tour, in 10 years after that, in the year 2030, I want them to come out and say, we didn't even stop cheating. Yeah. And we were cheating the whole time. That's what I want. Seriously, I don't know what will happen. If that comes to fruition, what are the internet streets looking like in December, in November? We're talking about this.

Carlos Correa, I think then he's going to be so unlikable that he's likable. Like one of those people who's just so bad that, okay, kind of. It would be the A-Rod. If he continues. No, he's not A-Rod. If Correa continues to talk out of his ass, like he's doing W-D-W-W. promo after every game and then the next game he hits a home run and then he does this around the bases he'll win me over and i hate this dude i think he's the lamest dude in baseball i think he's a

great a weirdo if he talks shit after every game and then delivers on the field and does the the ear he'll win me over just because i'm like holy smokes it is a spectacle is a spackle i'm gonna say something unpopular right now here we go the a should have won that game yeah i mean he got four on her i don't know if one is the right thing to say because Because the error looms large. The Simeon error allowed, you know, and you got to make the pitches after that. They were up 5-3, top of the sixth. But baseball, playoff baseball.

To playoff baseball. Play-out air by Vimian. Is it very much make it matter. You know, lead off walk, make that matter. Error, make that matter. And they made that error matter so much. And as an infielder, all you can hope for is please get the next guy out. and hopefully it's just like a pop-up to the right field there

and nobody has to worry about anything. But more often than not, for some damn reason, this game comes back to bite you, walks will haunt, airs will haunt. And they came and put a four spot up. And that changed the game. Now all of a sudden you're down two runs after the air. Then I don't know who was in the seventh at the time,

but a shutdown inning directly after that. And then they're back up to hit again, and they get another run. Like that was, it was it. And it's the loneliest feeling on the baseball field for Simeon to be out there. And it's not only you're out there and you're watching these runs score and you know that it should be out of the inning. But it takes a toll on your body. They were out there for like 30 minutes that half inning.

And then you got to go try to hit. It's a whole, I mean, just compounds on itself. So, I mean, they got to, if he makes that play, man. And it happens. We all know what happens. You know, it's not like. errors aren't going to happen in a baseball game, but that is... Yeah, and you know who they went to for that shutdown inning,

and Jake was pivoting us there to the bullpen for the Astros. They went to... How do you say his name, Manoli Peridis? Peridus. Oh, the young guy. Making his debut in the post season. He didn't pitch in the Wild Card Series. And he comes through with the shutdown inning there,

and then another, another inning, two innings pitched. I mean, they leaned on him. They leaned on Blake. Blake Taylor, was he the first out of the pen? Guys, five innings pitch, zero hits from the Astros bullpen. And Blake Taylor and. Taylor, Paredes, Javier, and Presley. And Presley is the only one that isn't a rookie.

I mean, they leaned on rookies. Javier pitched in a wildcard game. Blake Taylor and Paredes, I don't know, debut and locked it down. Hey, man. Reddick's wife's probably super stoked with the bullpen now. Well, they're not rookies anymore. They got some, you know, seasoning on them. Battle scars.

Yeah, and that's, again, I think these guys, they're talented guys. They are young, but we saw this at the start of the season. This Astros bullpen got off to a really good start, and we were saying, who were these guys? A couple of them came back down to Earth. Dusty saved them through the Twins Wild Card Series. Now he lets them rip, and they look good. I mean, Paredes, he had that one, like, Catwoman play where he was all over the ground.

That was kind of fun. You were worried about a rookie moment there. He recovers. And hey, you end up putting up a 10 spot. The bullpen doesn't give up a hit through five innings. That's a pretty good formula to win baseball games. Bassett on the Oakland side, he got knocked around a little bit. Again, the ball was flying out.

It didn't help him or McCullors. But Bassett, kind of like Trev was hinting to, and this is a little too harsh. Not that it's like a party trick, but he's got some funk to him. And the more you see that funk, the less funky it is. He's got like a little of that long little league. Like it feels like there's an extra kind of wrist flip on his throw because he's so long. So they got to him and then you go to the bullpen.

And once you go down, you know, you're not using your higher leverage guys. So you go to Jordan Williams, who's literally the last guy in the roster. I have a big question about this. Put on some tack-on runs. They brought Mike Minor in. And I thought he got a clean inning. You know, I'll too if I got thrown out, helped him get out of it, but minor stretched out.

Or is there a plan? I don't know. I don't know if this has been discussed in Aisland. Is there a plan to use Miner as a one-inning guy? I mean, he's the starter. His last couple games in the regular season, he threw 80 pitches. And then they're a three-run game, and minor gets a, you know, gets that in and out of the inning. And then they pivot to Weems, and he makes it a three-run game into a five-run game.

I'm just, I'm genuinely curious. Like, is anyone in Astros or Aisland saying, like, why do we go to Weems? I think you're losing and you just don't lose your good bullpen when you're losing. But that's exactly that. Like, Minor could have just rode out the game. Right, but I think Minor's kind of a bonus piece for them. When he came over to Oakland, he wasn't that great for them. And they have pitchers.

I mean, Mania's going tomorrow. You know, baby Jesus is going to get another start for them. They gave him the pill in game one. And then I think they're lining up Montas. But I don't know. I would leave it to the A's fans. to tell me if there's more on that. But I think as of right now,

minor's not a part of the rotation. I think they're just trying to get extra outs. I know I would have rode him so you don't have to burn any other relievers later on. I see what you're saying. And he looked good. Maybe they wanted to get him a little experience to end of the game.

I don't know. There's only three runs at that point. I want to make two points before we have to go. Maybe they can use minor tomorrow and they wouldn't want to use means if minor looks good. Yeah, I guess so. Two points, quick. Shamania.

Against this Astros lineup, I'm scared. Someone says that minor might be possible for starter, so this is just a throw day for him. Someone said he couldn't locate either, so I don't know. Okay. All right. I don't know either. So, Trev, Manaya?

I'm scared for Sean Mania because this right-handers are waking up in the Oakland, or excuse me, in the Astros lineup. So I'm scared for that. Number two, and maybe my biggest point that I'm going to make here is, I was all about Lance McCullors yesterday, then after watching him actually pitch, and his antics, I am now off of him and I would not want him on my teeth.

I was very, very confused. I bit my tongue really hard because he's very similar to some other players I know in the league that I know you dislike. So I was really confused when you said, you think everyone would root for him. But I bit my tongue. Well, I think he has it in him.

He's a legacy guy. His dad was in the show. He should understand how to act. But the whole like, oh my gosh, I gave up a home run thing to me. I hated it. I don't like that. When you're playing behind a guy, you don't want to see that from your boy on the mound.

That's like a one-off. It's not a one-off. It's not a one-off. It's not a one-off. Yeah. All right. Game two, we'll be previewing game two of that series on the pregame show later on today. This episode was brought to you by Draft King's Week 4 of Football's in the books.

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under over under from Vegas was seven they went way over Yankees hit four home runs Ray's hit two six home runs in the game geez um yeah I mean the story here is the Yankees offense again they flip the switch and they they're mashing they get Snell out of the game early Snell didn't look crisp at any point um and I don't know if that's chicken or the egg there because the Yankees spit on a couple curveballs early and then he kind of

of abandon it. And then he was trying to find the slider and change, and neither of those pitches. It was very just, he didn't have a secondary pitch and his fastball is missing high constantly. So I don't know if it's chicken or the egg there. I don't think Snow looked great. And then they get to their secondary bullpen piece, John Curtis, late in the game to blow it open. The Yankees bullpen, Chad has to save the one-run lead. He does it. Britain has to protect the one-run lead. He does it. Backup catcher Kyle Hageokioka hits a home run. Clint Frazier gets his playoff start over Gardner. He hits a home run.

And then Judge and Stanton both hit home runs. Stanton now is a home run in each and every game of this postseason. Three games, three home runs. Nine RBIs, seven RBIs in three games. So he's having some fun. Yeah. Wherever you want to go, Trave, I'll throw it to you first because Jake and I have talked about this a lot. That's kind of what happened.

What are your thoughts? I thought it was a really good game. Obviously, Stanton blew it. open in the ninth. Too many walks. That's what I think. Let's see. They had five walks there and then another five.

So 10 walks total in the game. I guess that's kind of what these teams do. I don't know. As I was watching the game, I was like, why are they walking so many people? But I said it for the get-go. If the Yankees bats stay hot,

I don't think there's an offense in baseball that can keep up with them. And that's what they did last night. I mean, going into the ninth, though, only a, a one-run lead, right? And then we've got Shioca and then a grand slam. So game was close.

I thought that Cole looked really good. He had his Choi moment, which is fucking hilarious to me. It's so funny. I said to Jake on the live stream, like 29 other fan bases, this is the most fun and enjoyable storyline that fucking G-Man Choy just crushes, Garrett Cole, not even like gets them. Like crushes 14 at back. and seven extra base hits now.

And four of them are home runs. Like just, if I wasn't a Yankees fan, it didn't hurt me as a fan. Like, it's the most fun baseball story. And it's such baseball. And I think another star has been born in this playoffs. Randy Arasurana. Yes. This dude is a beast.

He is five tool. You know, we often dance around the Ray's lineup and be like, yeah, they play matchups. These guys don't scare you. I think Lau Meadows and Arasurana next year are going to say. scare people. He's legit. He clips Cole with the solo shot in the first. Where did he come from? I know he's Cuban. Like, when did that happen? When did they sign him?

They traded him from St. Louis. I want to say it was before this season. And it was kind of weird because the Rays traded one of their big pitching prospects. And everyone was like, what is this? And then it turns out that the rays know what they're doing. I got to be honest with you. Did you get a chance

to sign a Cuban baseball player? You sign a Cuban baseball player. That's just bottom line. That's, he's, he's, signed back in 2016. Like if I'm a GM, I am, come on, baby. He was part of the Jose Martinez trade. Yeah.

Name a bad Cuban baseball player. It's impossible. It's impossible. You're so good. Trevor Plouf showing his GM tactics. Wait, what? You're right? What do you got, Jim?

Just that, like, I didn't realize he was part of that Jose Martinez trade this season. He's 25 years old. He mashes the ball. He was taking, I mean, that baseball. that Torres caught, the line drive, 114 miles an hour off the bat, that was a missile. That would have went, that was a low line drive, and it would have went all the way to the wall because it was hit so damn hard. That was a potential game changer.

I think the theme of this game, yeah, Snell was on or off. Cole was on and off a little bit. He was still Garrett Cole, and he had two lockdown innings after the Yankees retook the lead, which was very important. Hey, the Yankees, we talk about the rays and they push the right buttons and G. Manchoi, my word. Yankees, they push buttons back. Clint Frazier gets to start. He hits a home run big.

Kyle Higigashioca, the personal catcher for Cole, controversy in Yankee land. Guess what? He hits a homer. He goes two for four. The buttons, the Yankees pressed and they intentionally walked G. G. Man, Choi. Garrett Cole Garrett Cole gets the $300 million contract

He intentionally walks G. Man Choy Which kudos to the Yankees Soft It was the right move The Yankees didn't get proud there And I think in a lot of years The Yankees would be too proud to say I don't care

This Garrett Colvers G Man Choy Get him out Screw that Go get Manny Margo He did And then, yeah, Giancarlo Stan opens it up late with the Grand Slam. I got a little soundbite for the... Yankees go over by themselves in every game this postseason.

I got a sound bite for the Matt Blake pitching meeting with Cole when they were 2-0 on Choi. This is what that conversation went like. Now we're the time to be proud. That was... Ed Henry's kicking your butt out there. Wait, so let me ask you this. You got you're talking about pushing the right button. starting Clint over Brett.

How was that pushing the right button? That's a no-brainer to me. You got a lefty on the mound. Clint has been performing well. Because Gardy's been performing really well. He's the hottest janky. And Gardner has good at bats versus Snell. It's not like Snell owns him.

So you could have very much started Gardner and said, well, we're riding the hot hand. He's been doing it for us. This is Brett Gardner. Better defense. But you start Clint, and now Clint's part of this series, which if you sit Clint in game one,

it's kind of not part of the series anymore. I don't know if you saw the mid-game interview. I just think that's an obvious player. It wasn't that obvious. The mid-game interview was the opposite conversation we're having right now. They interviewed Boone and they go, you know, what made you start Clint today? And he, like, laughed and he was like, a really good year. Good ball player for us.

I don't know. I think he'll read too far into that stuff. I mean, look, it's a righty against a left. You do want to get him involved. He has performed well. It's a good option to have. You're completely right, Trevor. but at the same time, if, you know,

when a Garrett Cole's first at bat's, a ball gets hit to the left field and Clint kind of misplays it, you know, then everyone's like, oh, should have had the veteran guardie out there. So you're absolutely right. People need to relax. I need my one hour to talk common sense

into people every week. Every week, I need to have it. I want that too. We're on the same page there. I will say this. Trevor Payne. It ended up being a blowout, but the game was close.

And it was a great game to watch. there was big moments in it you know Cole stepped up when he went nine hundred up on a Rosarena that was awesome everybody knew that was coming he went with the two high uh the curve balls up and then just blew his doors off two fastballs up right off of it yeah he had no chance

Cole knew he swung through the was like the one one pitch and it was like uh top of the strike zone and then you knew Cole was like all I have to do is put the ball there or a little bit fire again and this guy's done and he just executed perfectly and then he gave the big freaking um afterwards and I love

and I said that Snell wasn't sharp Cole wasn't particularly sharp either he just grinded out a little bit but and Jim I'm having I'm having a weird thing because you and I were on the same page there and Trev says you know Garrett looks solid and I'm you know kind of going through my head in the game and it it is

funny looking back at the box court they had the two home runs a Rosnerana solo and then Choi got him Those were the only extra base hits. They only had one at bat with runners in scoring position. So, you know, it was playoff baseball to a degree, and I think it's kind of a good side of Garrett Cole that we've seen him look a lot better,

but when you re-go through it, I mean, that's a really good start. I feel like this is what every time I see Garrett Cole pitch, this is kind of, unless he completely dominates a bad team this year, which he did, which is fine, supposed to. this is kind of what his starts look like. He gives up like random solo home runs. Yeah. And then strikes a bunch of people out.

And, you know, like six innings, three earned runs. Like that's kind of what I've seen for him. I'm glad we don't have to see that again. Ray's got to be feeling not that bad going into game two with Glass Now versus Davy. We'll talk about that on the pregame show. You know, I had something else that I lost it. Damn. Every Yankee that played got on base, that's 11 dudes.

Oh, I was going to say, and this is just me being a butthead. Trev, when I told you that when you think of Blake Snell, you think of Scy Young winner, that's the Blake's now I think of. Like, can't find the zone and off speeds are like hesitant. Because we've seen that against the Yankees a lot when he faces the better teams, but not his night. every single Yankee that had an RBI except for Clint Frazier

was from California your starting pitcher was is from California I am now dubbing the New York Yankees the California Yankees and I don't ever ever want to hear anybody from New York talk shit about California being soft

ever again no that whole statement was extremely soft ever again you drink our wine our produce and you take our baseball players enjoy it. I'll send you some of that Connecticut wine. I think the other thing that does need to be addressed is from the Ray's side.

Trevin, you know, your thoughts on it. You help build this Ray's team everyone's been talking about. Snell, he goes through the lineup the second time. They have the lead. It's three to two, top five. I understand he is Snell. He does have that Cy Young in the cabinet. But, you know, like a lot of pitchers, his numbers get worse.

The further he goes into the game. They had Diego Castillo up. I know. So you're going to give him Higgy. You're going to give him Higgy. And Higgy clips them, which, hey, kudos to Higgy, man. That, you know, that takes some Coyones. But the fact they give him judge, I mean, that inning, it goes from three, two,

Rays to four three Yanks. And I mean, that kind of ends up to side in the game. I totally agree with you. When they had Castillo warmed up, even the broadcast was talking about it. Like, not sure why he's not in the game yet, and then sure enough, He hangs a curb one, judge puts in the seats. It's, it's a rare mistake from cash. And, and, you know, I think that there is a little element where he says,

I'm going to, I'm going to trust my guy here. It's the fifth inning. Like, let's get him through here. Maybe give my reliever a clean inning, whatever it is. But, you know, I think that's, we can look back and say that was, that was a mistake. Yeah. And not even like a, in hindsight. Like, during, during it, that was a mistake.

Yeah. And then John Curtis got left out to die against Stan. there a little bit so that's fine they knew that thank you they're like it's your inning one run game basis loaded i don't know at that point was it a one run game two run game he gave up a single to hicks to make it a two run game yeah and then stand yep yeah i agree with that too but all right we miss anything i think that's the two games we got uh we got four coming up today pregame show will start soon and uh give our pick and our takes and our thoughts, our feelings, emotions, it'll all go into it.

Trev, little bonus for the people before we log off. At the end of this Yankees game, McClanahan comes in, he makes his Major League debut, brutal, Glamer steals on the first pitch. After a couple pitches up and in, I think it was fun baseball. I think that's kind of the general consensus. And then Brett Gardner gives him a tough at bat, chops one over him, him in the second basement collide. You know, and he ends up getting out.

It doesn't get too, too ugly, but, you know, it's a major league debut. Do you have any guys that came up that you played with that had like just a tough major league debut? Anything that jumps out? I mean, you put me on the spot here, man. I don't know. I'm sorry. Maybe I'll save that for the preview. I got to think about it.

But I do. I thought it was hilarious. Like, that guy comes in the last thing he's thinking about. The last, and six, they're up six runs. The last thing he's thinking about is picking over to first base or even looking at Glaber Torres. So I thought it was an excellent time. And whether that was Glaber being like, hey, should I just go right here or the first base coach being like, you should just probably just go. Yeah.

I thought it was, I thought it was hilarious. And really funny. And that guy, what's his name? Sorry. McLanahan. McClan. Something like that. Just a debut to remember.

Like Jim was talking about getting run over by his guy. But hey, that was your debut. You didn't get up any run. You debuted in the playoffs. That must have been awesome. Oh, it's a fucking nightmare. It was a nightmare. Stoll.

He's got it out. It can only go up from there. Second basement tackled me. Old man Gardner chopped one over my head. I've ran into a teammate. Got DJ LaMeyuda in the inning. Yeah. I got DJed in the inning.

There you go. It's on the cell. All right. Another California guy. Nope. No, no. He's from Louisiana. No.

I don't know. I just made that up. Yeah. We know. Claiming them all. Got it. Are you sure? Yeah.

All right. Thank you guys. We'll see you later. Morning by Thalia. Yes, I'm right. Thank you very much. Ejian the Mayhew, California guy.