Talkin' Baseball (MLB Podcast) - 230 | Astros & Dodgers Stay Alive!

Episode Date: October 17, 2020

Jake & Plouffe (and Jomboy over the phone) recap the Friday night games in which the Astros and Dodgers forced Games 7 and 6, respecticvely. 2:00 Astros-Rays Game 6 28:45 Dodgers-Braves Game 6 52:00 Sam Deduno Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Today is October 17th. The Astros are zombies. We're going to game seven. And are the Dodgers back? Let's do it. Baseball! Welcome. Oh, I just forget there's two.

Talk over to fun. Yeah. Welcome back to talking baseball. That's not John Boy. It's Jake. John Boy is live on the phone while he's moving. Trevor Plouffe in Roosevelt Studios West as I am in Roosevelt Studios East with BBD. John, we still got you on the horn?

I'm here. I'm in my new backyard. It's beautiful out. How do you like your new house? I love it. Got a backyard. This little outside shed that I'm thinking about making my office, I think it's heated. It's got cable outlets.

It's like weird. They finished everything. The attic is completely finished with trim. It makes no sense. Jimmy, the finisher, O'Brien. Trevor, how are you doing, Big Daddy? I'm doing great. I'm excited. We've got two games today. I can't wait to see what Carlos Correa has in store for us today.

I'm a sicko. I'm disgusting. I want to see it today. But other than that, I'm great. My hair looks great today. I conditioned it this morning, so I'm just letting it ride a little bit. Yeah, Correa is becoming like a cool guy kind of before our eyes. No, no, no, no, no. It's blowing Astros fans' minds that the outside world can now want to like him. We'll see. A lot's going to get decided today, but it's getting decided today because of what happened yesterday.

The Astros staved off elimination again. Jimmy, do you want to get in like John Boy's three minutes of pain here, or how do you want to do this? Yeah, sure. First and foremost, Dusty has a plan, and I'm a fan of it, and that's awesome. And Cash and Snell both fuck each other. Snell didn't pitch good enough to be fully trusted to stay in. And Cash probably should have put some trust in him or confidence in his dude. I think that's when analytics backfired. I think if he goes out there and says, hey, you're Blake fucking Snell, just like battle for a couple more out. That's a better method. you say that's what the Rays do. I don't know. That whole situation was weird. I think both sides of it were like wrong in a way. Trev? Yeah. No, I agree.

I wanted Snell to stay in, but we all, I mean, we just know the numbers. It's like we talked about Dave Roberts keeping Kershaw in too long because the third time around is no good. Snell was only at 88 pitches. Like I've said on the show many times before, he comes from a tree of guys, a pitching tree of guys that want to go deep in games, they want to throw 200 endings. That's his mentality. And I just think organization-wide, they're very analytically driven, obviously. So it was an atyliqually driven decision. The Diego Castillo thing is a little interesting to me. I guess you

want him in the high leverage situations, but it backfired. You know, he did not get the job done. And then you're kind of playing catch up there and the momentum swings. It was a, it was an interesting decision. But they look, they got one more game left. All I got to do is win one, right? You decide now. The other thing I have on that series and Jake and I said this on a live stream after you left, Travis, now that the series

is tied at three games a piece, if you say to yourself, okay, well, which team has played better? The Astros have out hit, out pitch, out bullpenes the race in this series. The race just had superhuman defense for three games and Altuvae was yipping it up.

Now that Altuvae did the Trevor Ploof throw 30 balls as hard as you can, and he's making plays at second. Like, the Astros have been the better team in this series after six games. So that sucks for the race. I think they have a good chance of winning. But momentum and just, like, vibe, like, if his race team comes out today and has the same vibe that they had in the dugout and on the field and Yandi barking at a rookie for no reason, like, they were doing weird shit.

Meanwhile, the Astros are just kind of being squaggered out heels and have all the momentum. So I think it's really interesting that they were up 3-0 and the rays are dominating. But now if you look at it, you're like, actually, Astros haven't been better than this whole series. Yeah, and you wonder if managerial spin zones come into that? Like, you know, you're saying the Astros

through 6, they have outplayed the race, and the rays are still going to be here in game 7 with their rest of playing. So we'll talk a little bit more about that on the pregame show. Jimmer, you want to get some Dodgers, Dodgers Braves thoughts in? And then me and travel just talk for 50 minutes about nothing?

Sure. Yeah, I didn't watch all of this game. I was laying in bed, but my biggest thing is it's kind of like the Ray's defense, and that's the Braves rookie pitching. And after Wilson, no, Minter, after Minter, I think his most pitch is thrown was 27, and he threw 30-something and have shutout ball. Like, once, like the shoe had to drop on the Braves a little bit because that was unreal. I was Unreal's the Ray's defense. And, you know, When the Dodgers do go off, they go pretty damn crazy. It's kind of special to watch. But I think the brace of the upper hand.

But I don't know. I didn't see a lot of the Dodgers pitching. Like I don't even know who they used. Tell me a little bit about it. They emptied it out. They went May to Kelly to Trinan, Tobias, to Gonzalez, to Gratterall, to Kenley at the end, which we'll see if that's important later on. But, yeah, I mean, they, you know, the Dodgers kind of implemented that bullpen day.

that looks genius when everyone is on and pretty much everyone was on. Victor Gonzalez was the only guy out of the pen to give up a run. And then, yeah, I mean, once they got the lead Atlanta, you know, at the Will Smith, Will Smith entanglement that I'm sure everyone wants to talk a lot about, you know, they finish with Webb and Tomlin. So, yeah, I think it's for pitching-wise, it's the classic when that works. It looks beautiful. Everyone's new and funky and different and just needs a clean inning.

When it doesn't, it gets ugly. That's, you know, going back on this box score right now for the Braves, Matzik, Green, Smith, and Webb, you know, three of those four are good guys for them, and all four of them gave up runs consecutively. Yeah, and the other thing that I'll say before I let you guys do your thing is, after going six games and five games through both championship series and seeing the strategies and the way teams go about it with no off days, I hate it.

I know a lot of old heads on MLB network were like, I love this. It's a true test of the depth of a team, not how good are your top 13 guys, how good are your top 25 guys? It sucks. Teams are not trying to win. Like the raised, the race were fine taking, like, they're not using their best bullpen. The Braves are not using their best bullpen. They're clearly playing for a seven-game series because they'd rather not kill their pitchers.

So I'm officially firm stance, no off days in the ALCS. Treb? On that point, I don't know, I'm in the middle there. I kind of see where guys are coming from because this is how the rest of the season is played. I mean, seven games in seven days, this happens all the time. I get that it's, you know, seven game series, so it's managed a little bit different. I do like seeing the best of the best, but I don't know. I don't know where I'm at.

I'm kind of thinking I don't like that it's like this, and I don't want it to stay this way, but it's been fun to see how they approach it because, you know, this isn't like those guys are saying. It's not just, you have three relievers and three starters and you see what happens. Like, you know, you really got to see what you got in the tank. So to me, it kind of has been a little bit of separator for, you know, that depth. And, and I guess the biggest point is it's made a difference in how you manage a game. And I kind of like that. I want managers to mean something. in those other series, they don't really mean that much. You know, you have your guys and you let them go and the players decide it.

This is a little bit more of a tactical, if you will, type of series. So as I do agree with Jim, I don't necessarily want to see it happen again, because I don't think it's good for players either. But it has been fun to see, like, you know, we're talking about Dusty has a plan. Cash, who's usually the best at managing his bullpen that he screw up yesterday. I kind of like those storylines involved in it. Yeah. Yeah, I just wish it was like, you know, Walker, Kershaw, Ureas, Dustin May for a fourth game,

if you need them, Walker, Kershaw, Ureas, Fried, Anderson. Sure, sure. Give us like premier starters, multiple games. And then I think it's pretty clear managers aren't managing the same way, which you're right. Like, it's more tactical if you like that, but you're also relying on guys that you never relied on in big outs. And Jake, hit him with the Scott Van Pelt quote. How good is you're good? I think that's what people want to see in the playoffs.

And I guess my only counter to you, Jim, because I agree with a lot of what you're saying, is, you know, this was sprung on them at the end of the year. It would have been really cool to see, you know, we talked about the Lance Lins and guys like that that didn't get traded this year. You know, I think if teams planned for this and knew this is how the season ended, all these teams, and especially our Yanks, we always bring it back here. Like, they plan on using their high leverage guys after off days. Like that was their playoff plan, and that's changed everything.

So, yeah, I mean, it does feel weird having a team go down in a playoff game, and it's almost a relief. That was Snickers quote. Like, hey, if we're going to get beat, let's get blown out, so we use our bad guys. And I guess that's not great. It's like a weird mindset. And, like, a lot of the guys, like the pitchers that the Blue Jays picked up at the deadline, like, you know, four guys that can give you length.

I think if they knew there was going to be no off days. there would have been a mad dash to get, like, back-end starters that you can use as, you know, a starter or, like, give you four innings and a blowout. Yeah. Hasker, you know, I'll see if that comes back to matter. Jimmer, thanks, bud. The chat does request that you get some Mac footage. They wanted a GoPro on Mac during moving day.

That may be tough. So, I don't know, maybe an IG story or two. Yeah, he's not with it right now, but I, but I don't know. I will. Okay. And then tell the patron chat, I love them, and see you guys later. Patrons, we love you. Yeah, we'll catch up with you at the pregame show, all right?

Goodbye. See you, Dad. Another James. Finally. Okay. We can start the show. Oh, my God. Woo!

I love the Astro. Just go full, full spin. All right. Let's, uh, let's, uh, let's, do it trev you want to uh have some more i guess there's a lot of shit went down yesterday big jakey you want to go back to the raise a astro yeah let's go back to let's go back to raise astros we're a cron pod i do have a burn written up so i'll chew through it quick and then i'll kick it to you can i like tip it to you yeah if if you want to tip it to me yeah i don't know how to do

give me the tip baby just fucking just do it okay jake Time to burn. Woo! Rematch of game one, Blake, what's that Snell for the raise versus call? The Frambulance, Valdez and the Stroes try to stay alive for one more game. Bottom two, slick Willie Adomas with the RBI double gives Tampa the early lead. It would stay one nothing until the fifth. Snell gets pulled for Castillo.

Cash's decisions wouldn't be money. Tell me if you've heard these names before, Trev. Springer Altuve Correa, combined for four RBI in the fifth. Just like that, it's 4-1, well, 5-1. Tucker, I barely know her. Kyle gets in on the action. Brantley and Tucker again driving runs in the 6th, it's 7 to 1. Oh my God, it's happening.

Tampa would do their best to not Margo down easily, or at least Mani. How about two homers in the 7th and 8th? from Manny Margo at 7-4, but Presley would lock it down in the ninth. Frambert with a strong six innings, 9Ks, one-earned-run, to scrub, to Taylor, to Javier, to Presley. Stroes win game 6-7-4. We are going to Game 7-Baby. Fuck yes.

Holy smokes, Trev. You crushed that, Jake. You crushed it. Thanks, Dad. Thanks, Dad. Love that. What do you want, Trev? I know we hit some of the bullet points.

There's so many things to go to in this game. So, so many things. Framber doing it. Do we have to talk about the Yandi Framber exchange? I don't really know what that was about. A little bit, but nobody really knows. Like, I don't know if anyone's... Hold on.

This is what I'm... This is going to look real quick. Yeah. Where's Framber from? Framber's from... Dude, I did this. Palenke Dominican. Yandhi's from Cuba.

I look this up. That doesn't make any sense. Maybe it's just... That was my same exact thought process. I was like, maybe these guys go back to the island. Because the way they're going at each other, there must have been something we just missed. Like Framber must have punched Yandi and let out a little yippee or something in game one.

I don't know, but that was wild, man. Taking a walk and screaming at the pitcher. I don't want to say what it looks like. Well, Jimmy had a- what it looks like. Jimmy had a theory that I think he went full Framber hooked up with Yandi's sister or something like that. I,

it looks like Yondi, I'm not going to speculate or say anything like it. But you know what happens when you get on the sauce, you get a little crazy. That's kind of what it looked like. I'm not saying he's on the sauce. I'm just saying, that's what it looked like to me.

Like he was just angry. Booze or stare right? Is it the competitive juices? Yeah. Coming out? Is that what that? that is because that's a lot of competitive juice coming out. We need to save that bottle that up a little bit.

Thought that was funny. I mean, a great walk. Yeah. To lay off that curveball. So let's do, because, you know, this game's rolling. Framber looks pretty good. Shadows. Snell looks, you know, Snell, he's struggling, but he's putting up zeros.

And they go up one-nothing. And then in the fifth, he lets on the first two base runners, if I'm remembering correctly with Maldonado in the nine spot up, and Cash goes to Castillo, which again, this is where things can kind of sound wishy-washy because we want these games to be played like elimination playoff games, right? So if that's the case, you know, Cash probably goes to Castillo there. This is a huge spot in the game. It's Maldonado, and then the top of that Astros lineup, which is scary.

but at the same time, man, there is this, you know, I'm the one-starter mentality. Blake Snell has a Cy Young in the bag at his home, and he's getting pulled in the fourth. It was 82 pitches, Trev, with Maldonado, the nine-hole hitting catcher coming up. And that is one of the things where there's got to be some mental psyche stuff there that we saw it when Snell comes off the mound. He was pissed, man. It's exactly what you'd expect the race to do. That's kind of what point was. That's what they've been doing all season long.

That's what the numbers, I'm sure, have said to do. It was his third time going through. Even though he had struck Springer out twice. Altuve was 0 for one. I'm going to go back and look what Maldonado did. Ground out. And I guess that was his second time through, so he didn't face him. So those guys, I mean, a combined 0 for four with a walk, the three guys coming up.

I tend to agree with Cash's decision, you know, as much as I want starters to get their length and to go deep into games. I mean, this is, you manage a little bit differently in the playoffs and Cash played, you know, played his best hand. And it doesn't work out all the time. And then here we are second guessing it. But I think he got to give Cash a little bit of credit there. Like he knows what he's doing. It just didn't work out, you know, Maldonado. puts a bunt down on a tough pitcher to bunt.

And people, you know, we talk about buntz a lot. Nobody ever wants you to bunt. Can I cut you off for a second, Trev? Do you think he still would have bunted if Snell was out there? Yes. Okay. I do. I do because it was just the perfect situation to bunt.

You have Maldonado who, you know, he's the nine-hole hitter, okay? Specific against Diego, clearly a double-play candidate with that sinker coming in. you turn the lineup over if you move the guys over second and third okay what you're gonna walk springer to face altouvae and then

who is after that brantley correa like Bregman no like you're gonna pitch you have the opportunity to get another run there I thought it was I thought it was perfect if there ever was a situation

to Bunn that was a great situation to bun he gets it down on a tough pitch and then you know the rest kind of his history there like I said though to go back to it I do agree with Cash's decision as even though, you know, you think, I think Snell could have, could have done it, but in that, in that instance, I think the cash was just like, this is, let's play our best hand.

And the Astros have done what the Asher's have done. They made them pay. Yeah. I mean, any time that you go to Castillo, I mean, that's kind of the raise going for the throat there. The bunt, and again, this starts getting into analytics and all those kind of fights. Treve, the part I love the most about your counter that, again, analytics doesn't fully pick up, Maldenado double play ball. And think about how much of this series have we talked about impactful raised double plays.

If Maldenado had grounded out into one, you know, we'd be saying, oh, the rays do it again. You probably see the Astros head drop in the dugout. Instead, you've got second and third with Springer and Altuve coming up. They have the infield in with three men on the left side. And again, analytics people, I know you're going to want to fight us on this. That wasn't George Springer's home run swing. George Springer tried to hit a ball to the second baseman, and guess what? He did it, and nobody was there.

And again, whenever I go on one of these analytical rants, like, we love analytics. Analytics are great and use them. But there is still going to be a future world of baseball where we need to be. to calculate this because yes, it's really hard to hit a ball to second base. But you know who can probably do it? Springer, Altuve, Brantley, Bregman. You know, I think we need to start making adjustments for the guys who are elite stick handlers, which they don't have a way to quantify, so that's why they can't. So, hey, when Castillo comes in, that's cash playing a card. Dusty plays his bunt card

and then he ends up looking like a genius because Springer chops won to second base it's a two RBI single that whole sequence is just extremely well executed by the Astros because typically if you are in the ship you're like okay try to hit a ground ball to second base

because we're going to be throwing sinkers in on you here's where you typically hit the ball on the ground We're going to cover that. If you want to try to hit this hole, go ahead. The problem with that is you got runners on second and third. So that if you are successful hitting that hole, which Springer was, it's two runs. So it's you have to just have to tip your cap to the Astros. And it's not like the Rays did anything wrong either.

They did what the Rays do. They went with the numbers. They went with the analytics. They shifted when they should have shifted. It's just that the Astros outplayed. them in that situation. Springer, you know, that was 100%. I don't know if he came on and said that afterwards or not, but that was 100% him trying to go that way. And it's really hard to do it. And he did it. You just have to tip your cap, man. It is. And it, I mean, it ends up looking great

for them. They score four in that fifth inning. Again, it's Springer Altuvei Correa. Four to one. Kyle Tucker gets the rook McClannahan who comes in after that. And again, this kind of ties into what we were talking about when John Boy was on the line. You know, McClanahan, all the talent in the world, he's a rook, man, who doesn't have any experience, but the rays are trying to burn through pitches. He throws 45, Tucker clips him. He gets in trouble with Brantley and Tucker the next inning. So then it's 7-1, and I think a lot of people, we literally,

we were live streaming this game, and we were like, hey, Jimmy's got to move tomorrow. We're trying to get any sleep we can. We called it. By the time I get back home, Manny Margo homered once, and you're like, oh, nice for you, Mani Margo. Then he does it again. It's a two-run shot 431. It's 7-4.

And, okay, so a lot of people just don't understand the whole John Boy Media relationship with the Houston Astros. And I'll say this. When Astros went up, 7-1, everyone is firing off their tweets. Like, oh, these rays aren't good as the 2004 Yankee. People were digging deep. Yankees fans, Red Sox fans, Houston fans, the L.A. fans, like the heart of baseball Twitter was going in. And I was like, well, it'd be a hell of a time for the race to really upset this game. As everyone's getting really hot on the Astros.

They don't. Presley came in third straight day and actually looked really good. And, yeah, I mean, 7-4 final and the raise, as we were also alluding to, after McClan. Alvarado for 25 pitches, loop for 11, Curtis for 8. And that's kind of this weird thing we'll talk about on the pregame show. Like I think the rays are still feeling pretty good. Like you're nervous. You don't want to be that team that gets remembered, you know,

whenever they talk about this going forward. But they've got Morton, Glass now, and their good bullpen ready to go. Yeah, they got everybody that need. Ready to go. While today for Houston, you know, it would be Presley's fourth day of work. I think Scrub might have gone back-to-back days. You're without Framber. But again, Lance McCuller's been pretty good.

So, I mean, we can save that whole conversation for the pregame show. Trev, you called Susugo, pinch hit, so we'll let you flex on the people. What else? I think that's a matchup to watch for today. If Dusty is going to rely on Presley at the back end of a game, if it's close, which I got to imagine he will because it's crunch time. You want your guys in there, and he's his guy, the rays are going to counter with Susie. and he's had now two really good at bats against Presley.

One was a deep fly ball out last night. Not a great, I mean, he got a base hit, you know, didn't crush that ball, but definitely still looks very comfortable against Presley. So that'll be a matchup to watch for. That's going to be an excellent game. What time is that starting? It's a little later, right? So that's the nightcap tonight, 837 Eastern.

Okay, so Shadow should be not a non-factor. maybe, maybe right the beginning of the game. I think that really helped McCullers out the first day because you can wrinkle it up there. And, you know, Morton would be the same way after the were Shadows. But I think we'll see a true game here. Shadows shouldn't be, have any effect on the game.

And I mean, look, game seven, did I read, right, that the Astros is the only the second team in sports history to go force a game seven. after going down 3-0? How is that fucking possible? I think that's the other way to bend the stats a little bit. I mean, basketball is basketball, so if a team dominates,

there's kind of no comeback. Football doesn't do it. Hockey, I guess, would be a little surprising. I know it's, they were only the third baseball team to ever force a game six after being down three years. Right. So they said it was the second team ever in sports history

to go down 3-0 and forced against that. That's wild to me. Obviously, the other one being the, for Red Sox. Dude, I think it's kind of what Jimmy alluded to. You know, teams aren't built how they used to. Like, it's not throw your four best starters and win the game. Like, it's baseball's changed a little bit that we, let's be honest,

we haven't seen the race kind of go full tilt since. Game four with Glass now they had the ability to and they did not. And like, I think we might see this in Dodgers Atlanta a little bit where teams are a lot, with knowing rest and how players perform with rest and blah, blah, blah, you know, again, I think these Rays are sitting there comfortable that they're saying, hey, game seven, we got our best guys lined up, let's do it, which is just this weird sports mindset. Hey, Ray's been in an elimination game before already this postseason.

We all know what happened there. I know you guys remember it. I'm just expecting great baseball today. am excited to watch. I had something else on the race, but I forgot, maybe I'll think about it. But yeah, here we go, man. Beauty.

Yeah, and again, we'll be talking about that in the pregame show coming up after this for the patrons. You guys will all be there. We love you guys. Oh, I wanted to point out. This is a real. Okay, we found it.

Our guy, I mean, look, we talked about Jimmy referenced that the Astros have been better than the raise pretty much in every facet of the game, Harry and our chat, kudos to you. I've been pointing it out. The race have to hit, dude. Like, they can't just rely on a timely home run here, a timely home run there.

Like, you got to hit. Especially against this Astros team, I think that's going to be the difference. They got to come out and swing it today. They can't rely on their pitching staff. They just shut them down because it's not happening. The Astros can swing it. You got to be able to swing the bats too. Cash alluded to that in the post game.

press conference he's like we need to hit time to step up wherever it may be somebody other than Randy our guy he's got to step up again this is one of Jakey it's kind of low hanging fruit

and it's not really analysis Rays were O for with runners in scoring position yesterday I think the game before that I think they were also Ofer you know and those at bats if two of them drop you end up having you know this game's probably 7 to 8 But we'll see. And the other thing, in that Houston rally, after Snell got pulled, you know, the advanced stats were coming out. The expected batting averages on those balls were pretty low. And, you know, that's kind of baseball and Babbip luck turning back on its head a little bit. So everyone will be watching that today. Game 7, Houston Astros, Tampa Ray's, excited for that.

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Gammon Claw Call 1-800 Gambler How about that? All right Treve, you good to go on to this Dodgers Braves game? I was watching this footage on Twitter of these guys that tried to like kidnap the governor

of Michigan and it's like a tactical training video that like somehow one of the news stations obtained these guys are such fucking dorks like what are they? they doing? I don't know, man. What is going on?

I don't know. Okay. Sorry. You got it, Bieber. Speaking of dorks. Jake, ready to burn? Oh, sassy. Sweet sassy mo lassie.

Burn. Wow. Jake's burn. The Dodgers try to stave off elimination, embarrassment, and wholesale changes throughout the organization with Dustin, May, the odds. ever be in your favor as he walks into the hunger games of this Atlanta Braves lineup. AJ US Minter gets the start and boy was he money. Three innings pitch one hit seven

K's first start since college on a bullpen day what dar no dar yes RBI single he's a monster Paschae with the RBI oh my god it's happening again it's two nothing Braves bottom three doppelganger Dansby with the sackfly scores Ozuna to go up 3-0. Oh no. Ozuna, the big bear with the base running error slash mooky bets with the web gem. Instead of 3-0, it's 2-0 and it's 2-1. Seeger later. Corey with the dinger.

Top 6, the second biggest Will Smith entanglement of the year. The catcher Will Smith clips the pitcher Will Smith. for the three-run homer. Two to one to four to two. Mookie-Dukee. He gets the RBI single. Five to do. Yeah, show that, do that arm thing, Mookie.

I like that. And then Corey Topanga's another one. 413 feet. It's seven to two Dodgers. Darno tax another one on late, but that would be your final. May to Kelly to Trinon, Tobias, to Gonzalez, to Gratural, to Kenley at the end.

Dodgers take game 5-7-3 final. The series is now 3-2-Bravos. Corey Topanga's another one out of here. I mean, hey. Pretty, pretty good right there. You got me. You know, that's what to do what it is. Look.

Yeah. We knew the Dodgers weren't going to go down without a fight. But we also didn't know AJ Minter, we're going to come out and do what he did. We can only hold these bats down for so long. The Braves want to have, if the Braves want to close it out,

they have to continue to hit. That's what they have to do. Because the Dodgers, I mean, look, could they be silenced in the game? Yes, is it likely? Probably not, dude. Like, when they got the confidence going like this and Muky's at the top

and you got Seeger as locked in as he is, Muncie's hit some balls hard. Not a lot of success, but he's kind of coming too. Everybody was kind of getting in on the action last night. Nine hits from the Dodgers. Will Smith with a big homer. It just, they're going to have to score. Bays are going to have to score.

They had some opportunities yesterday. We obviously were watching that since we took the over three and a half runs. But the Dodgers played some good defense and got some timely out so they needed to double play on Mookie's ball. That was kind of, that was it. If Mookie charges that ball and doesn't glove it, kicks off his glove and they score two runs for nothing, that could be the end of the season. Instead, he catches it and throws to home.

Ozuna leaves the bag early. Yeah. For some reason, he just hopped off the bag. Double play. End of the ending. So, Arnaf his end of the ending, he was two outs. But got to end the Dodgers, man. That ended it.

He was the third out of the inning after that. Yeah, so to try to cron pod this a little bit, Minter, good for you, dude. A Texas guy, he comes out and he shoves, and if you're the Dodgers, you've got to be sitting there like, no way. Minter today, three innings, seven Ks? Like, you got to start doing one of those lookarounds in the dugouts.

Like, maybe it's not our year. And then Dustin May, he looked so up and down, man. I'm so interested to see where his career goes, because, I mean, it looks like some of the most armed talent you've ever seen. It's going to go well. And, yeah, I mean, that's the other thing. He is still so young. But, you know, it's still fully not hair.

Oh, excuse me, there. The hair is there. And Trev, I don't know, man. I believe so much in momentum in sports. And I had Braves fans pretty mad at me. because Mookie catches that ball at his shoe tops, which again, you know, there's, I think the list of right-fielders that catch that ball

you probably put on one hand. I don't know how many catch it without diving so that they can still make the throw home. And I think that's where, again, you put Ozu-N in a bad position, not a guy known for his base running necessarily. They tried to point out on the broadcast that there was a lot of bodies in his way. Between the base runners, the fielders and the shift, there was like six guys to look through.

I don't know if that affected him. It was a little funky anyways. I mean, you saw the happy feed, and that's the stuff where, hey, we say it a lot. We don't know exactly how war works, but how many war points does Mooky Betts get on that play? Because you just saved a run, you saved a hit. And I wonder, I said I think it's going to change the momentum of this game. Braves fans got very mad at that. because, you know, I think they're playing.

A lot of the analysts have been saying, like, when are these Dodgers going to kick in? One are these Dodgers going to kick in? We were saying it for game four when Kershaw came back. But when Mookie does that, it goes from 3-0 to 2-0, and then Seeger leads off the inning with a bomb. I mean, just think about the Dodgers emotion there. You go from down 3-0 in an elimination game

to it's a 2-1 game, and Seeger just homered. mentors out of the game like you're starting to feel pretty good and then after that I mean Will Smith on Will Smith which had had baseball Twitter

above Trev oh baby I wanted the hate on all the Will Smith stuff but I actually found it quite amusing like it was so wholesome so wholesome and you just knew that everyone was waiting for that so it was like one of those things like just let it happen

let everybody get it out of their system. Let's see how original you are, which is we found out not very original for a lot of people. But yeah, I think that at bat right there, we talked to the mooky play was a game changer. That had bat by Will Smith,

the batter against Will Smith the pitcher. It was fucking incredible, dude. Like the approach that he has, if you're looking at like a swing to emulate, like he's one of the guys you want to emulate. Like he just does everything right. He took some really good pitches. back foot sliders,

heaters in, and then, you know, he gets the pitch he wants. Heater down and in and just cranks it. Got to feel good to do that. And I think once that happened, it was like, okay, this is the Dodgers game. Hopefully they can make a comeback, da-da-da-da. But that seemed to me like that was almost already

the nail on the coffin in the game. Yeah, and then going back to this new playoff format. I mean, once the Dodgers go up four, two, you know, they go Matzik to Green to Will Smith, who are, you know, some of the Braves high leverage guys. After that, they go to Webb, Jacob Webb 27, not one of their higher leverage relievers. And, you know, again, I think in playoff years past, you probably do use one more high leverage guy and you say, hey, if we could keep this at two runs, you know, with this Braves offense, I mean, two runs, that's a one. That's a walk and then literally whoever comes to the plate.

Instead, they go to Webb who gets the two outs, and then the Dodgers turn it on to that kind of scary degree that makes you realize how they won 43 games that they just got going. Betts following Taylor, Seeger hits another one. Yes. Which, Trev, and this is fun. I almost tagged you on Twitter last night. I don't know if you saw it.

I did a little poll because, you know, Stone Tired Jake on the couch was... I voted. I voted. Who'd you vote for? Carlos Correa. It's really interesting because, you know, Correa's been dominating. Their career numbers are actually very similar. I think Correa has the defensive edge. Yeah, that's what I was going to say.

Defensively, he's incredible. Seeger adds a little something different on offense because he's a lefty. Like, I know that shouldn't really matter, but it kind of does. And I think it's one of those weird things where it's, I think I'd rather have, if Corey Seeger was my three-hitter, I think I'd rather have that than Correa. Like, Correa kind of, he's normally down in the lineup a little more with those Astros. I guess you could kind of say the same for Seeger. I don't know. I just think it's a really fun conversation.

And I was, the moment I posted that, I knew there was going to be some absolutely fire slash terrible takes about how can you compare Seeger to Correa? Correa's not even in Seeger's area code. And it's like, well, no, that's actually, that's why it's a fun. Oh, I wasn't to say the other way. I think, look, I know Seeger's a really good player and he can hit. He plays defense as well. I think Carlos Correa is just, he's a step above where Seeger's at, in my opinion. And, dude, if you have Seeger as your short, like, my Dodgers friend says it's all time.

Like, nobody appreciates Corey Seeger. You got to appreciate Corey Seeger. You got that guy as you're starting shortstop. Like, be very, very. happy with that. And how many trade rumors was he in this year? Like, get rid of him, get Lindor. Yeah, no. Leave that guy alone.

He's very, very good. Carlos Correa's on a different level, I think, probably mainly because he hits the long ball a little more. I'd have to look at the numbers. I'm pretty sure he hits more homers, and I think he's a little bit better defensively. But they are

not too far off, but I think Correa is just like a little tier above. But two excellent, George Stahl. Seeger's got him a little bit on OPS. I do think defensively, Correa's got the edge on. I mean, that's where I think it's a fun combo. Would you rather have the lefty, you know, slugging

shortstop in your lineup? Or would you rather have kind of the more traditional, really good hitting righty, who's also a stud defensively? Yeah. My biggest takeaway from yesterday was that we got Gratterol and we got Janssen in the game and both of them

looked lights out. Jansen. I mean, I know I'm trying to Who did he face? Let me see. You know I love a good redemption story, Trevin. I'm almost buying into Kenley. He faces Danzby, Austin Riley, and Camargo. So not the thick of the Braves order, but he dominated them. He dominated them.

Three strikeout swinging. How many pitches he thought, like barely anything? He just looked great. Cutters. Here I am just praying for someone to get on. And we need one run, one run, one run. and Kenley is just as dominant as I've ever seen him. Dude, that cutter's cutting.

I'm wondering if it's the mound. I'm wondering if it's confidence. I'm wondering if he re-gripped and found something because his past two outings have looked good. They've been lower leverage. So maybe that's it too if you're one of those Dodger, if you're a Dodger hater fan that's never going to believe in Kenley. And hey, I kind of get it.

You've seen him blow some tough moments for you. But our guy Jack Davis Retweeted something last night Talking about how every Dodgers fan is still Like this isn't like in the fourth or fifth inning Maybe it was the sixth inning when they took the lead With Seeger's bomb

He retweeted something that was saying like Dodgers fans collectively are like Already nervous Shitting their pants thinking about Canley coming in later this game Yeah And I sent that to my buddies And they're like

They're like absolutely like we need we need five more runs. Like, you know, so Kenley can come in and give up his couple runs and we'll feel good about it, whatever, whatever. But it doesn't happen. Kenley comes in and looks dominant, and that's baseball, baby.

So he's ready to go. Gratterol looked good. Did he induce a double play? I'm trying to think, because the only other Braves moment is after they got punched, they had a little rally forming Carmargo pinch hits and draws the walk.

And then he kind of screams at the bench, like, let's go, let's go. And that's when Paschae grounds out into the double play. And it was like, I think this one might be over. That was, that was bias. I'm looking right here. Gonzalez. Graterall was after that. Freeman doubled after Gonzalez.

Fly ball, ground ball. Gets in the score. Then, yeah, he strikes Ozzy out. That's right. Okay. So set up for a game six, Max Fried, Walker, Beeler. Yeah, man. Remap the game one.

You know, I'm a romantic. I'm a lover. I'm passionate. You know, I think, you know, go both ways when you lock that door and you're in there. What? Today might be the best day of baseball of the year. Max Fried versus Walker Bueller. That game is going to be crazy intense.

And then game seven, Astros, Tampa. You know, I don't know who's going to be more nervous coming into that game. I don't think it's Tampa. I think it starts to turn into like the Astros. You almost did the hard part. You got to game seven. And now if you don't finish it, oh boy. So I don't know.

I think it's going to be about eight hours consecutively of insane baseball. I'm excited for that. We'll talk about that on the pregame show coming up soon. I keep doing this. If you're fans of these teams, like enjoy this, dude, like I wish. Oh, no. I wish I had a team that I was really invested in to root for today. Yeah.

Like if it's like I root for the, like, by really only two teams, I really, really, really, I have three teams. Seahawks, Trojans, Lakers. Twins, come on. Please say twins. We're a baseball podcast. I'm not like that with the twins. I know, I know.

I know what you mean. I wish I was. That's what I'm saying. Maybe I would be. If they were here, maybe I would feel that way. But if you're one of these, a fan with one of these teams going now, like, just enjoy this fucking moment, dude. Like, feel that nervous energy. And, like, that's what sports is all about, dude.

I can't even imagine what Astros fans are feeling right now. It is so them against the world. Like, that's a fun feeling. Braves fans, so fucking nervous. Like, we had a three, we're up three. Oh, are we going to be a joke like the 04? Yankees. That's tough.

And then you have the break, I mean, everything. Enjoy this shit. It's amazing, man. Playoff baseball is incredible. I know on days like this, it's the classic try to distract yourself. Like if I was a, if I was a raise or Houston fan, I would, you know, have my whole morning planned out. And I never plan anything. But I'd be like, yeah, you know what?

I'm going to go to this coffee shop. Get a nice cup of job. I'll walk there. How nice is that going to be? and then about a half hour before the game, my brain will mentally shut down. Can you imagine if it was Yankees, Astros, and they had forced a game? Treve, I really can.

I mean, it's funny. We, you know, we like talking to the people about our work schedule because we like opening up the door for them. We're not trying to do it in like, look how hard we work away. But if the Yankees were playing this week, we would be dead. we'd be dead i don't know what john boy would be doing you'd have to pick one you couldn't do both dead i think death would be the choice death is dead choice um like we're we're already hurt and i i think i got my 10 hours of sleep in last night uh medically aided um on the couch if i'm being i fell

fell asleep on the couch and normally if i if that does happen to me it's like a wake up at 2 a m stumble to bed i slept on the couch from midnight to 8 30 a.m just clean i love that i love the about you on the couch. Just clean. Me and the dog, just heavy breathing. Oh, man. Exciting times.

Do you know what I, just a little chat real quick. Do you know what I started watching? Would you start watching, Treve? Speaking of being medicated, you know, medicated. I was Medicaid last night.

I was watching it. I'm on like episode four or something like that of The Boys. Oh, okay. Heard good things. It is fucking wild. Very gory and like kind of like, whoa, very edgy, if you will. Okay.

I was not expecting that. It's about bad superheroes. Trevor, talking baseball trivia question. Which player did we interview ended his interview by saying he's for the boys? He said his name and then he said he's for the boys. Cole Tucker? No, it's a good guess. It was someone who surprised us with it.

It was Neil Walker. Neil. I fucking love Neil, man. What's Neil doing right now? We need to call Neil up. Yeah, we might have to do, uh, if we, uh, if we have some weird downtime in Dallas, we might have to do a weird just like hit people up and just like keep it running. Catch up.

I'm excited to do some more interviews. It was, it was, uh, fun to do that. I was happy to get away from it and actually talk baseball. But, you know, during the off season, I'm assuming we'll get kind of back to that schedule. It's going to be interesting to talk to guys about this year. I've talked to, I don't know, two or three guys now. I talked to John Jay yesterday.

He was talking to him about. Oh, your boy. Yes, he's going to be, spoiler. He's going to be coming on sequence, talking about some of the World Series stuff. He's just an all-around good guy, like a baseball, like your favorite baseball player's favorite baseball player, John Jay. And he was just saying, man, such a strange, strange. year. So many different things.

Let me find to dive into them. Beautiful. A little teaser at the end. And a little shout out to the chat, the patrons who have been great today. Harry Lewis at the end, Carlos Correa is two months younger than Framber Valdez.

Probably three years younger. He's had to guess. When it comes out that Framber doesn't look very young. Framber is a young 34 currently. I love that. He has a boy of smile. He's awesome. He's awesome.

man. We didn't talk about him enough. He's six innings pitch, one earn, run, nine Ks. He deserves a lot more love. Framber was awesome. And then the whole Yandi thing, then getting the double play, like that is some freaking stones, bro. Dude, if you, uh, all right, deep cut to end it, because we do have to end it. Um, Framber, if he continues like this, we did this before. Like, he starts entering, like, a top five left-handed starting pitcher in baseball. Whoa. Come. Dude, I'm just saying. I agree. He's got it. I think it's a little bit of funk.

It's early. At a full year of good. Yeah, the legal readjust. But right now, he looks nasty. He looks great. We had a guy. Let's go deep cuts. Okay.

Final deep cut. Yeah, that's true. No rules. Dad's not here. Guys, you're right. Just want to say one, talk about one more player. One more player. You probably don't even know who this is.

Try me. Bitch. Framver reminds me. A former twin. And then Astro, actually. Or maybe he was an Astro before he was a twin. Okay. Sam Douduno.

Did Duno? Okay. Do you remember? There was a point where Sam the Duno. I mean, he just like threw this fastball that like, it was like a knuckleball, but it was a fastball. And there was like a stretch of starts. He was the best pitcher in baseball. Nobody could fucking hit him. Very much reminds me of Framber.

Wow. Just a wild card that came out of nowhere. and doing silly shit kind of like the most soft-spoken guy off the field. All he would do is sit in his locker and read the Bible. Sit on the plane and read the Bible. It's all he would do. And it was the nicest guy. And he could sing.

Like he just like starts, he'd be reading the Bible and singing in his locker. Like just what a guy. But he had a stretch of starts where he was like unhittable. There's one game in particular in Houston where he had like his fighting necklace. And he was chewing on it. Like he was so intense on the mound. It was like the completely different person.

But very similar to like Framber. It's kind of coming out of nowhere and dominating. So I enjoy watching Framber very much. As we always say on the spot, we were the first people on Framber. Know what I love, Trev. Sam Dutono. Some of these, his stats are pretty good. Pretty good stat page.

Looks like it just kind of ended for him. What year was that? 2013 or 14, something like that? He had a couple starts that were just lights out. 2013, he had just a nice year. 18 starts, a 383. On MLB Network, they were comparing him to Liriano and Johan yesterday, which I think, I think

that's a hefty comparison right there. The only thing I differ on that is those pitchers were built on their change-up, and I think Framber's money is the curve. Well, Liriano's slider when he came up was, Liriano was the best left-handed pitcher in baseball in 2000. It was like six. or something when he first came out. So was Johan for a while.

Johan and, yeah, and then Liriano was unhittable. Those guys were fun to watch. I mean, I agree with it. Framper's been incredible. Sam Diduno reading the Bible and singing on planes. B.BD, it looks like you had a final note, or did I take your Diduno Bible thing? Oh, I'm just looking at Dudon. I think I found the stretch.

I got to stretch from end of May till early August of 2013. It was 77 innings of like a 26 ERA. I'm assuming that's the stretch. It's like a 12 game. It was just like a strange thing, you know. Pump it. Like all just very good starts. Sammy D.

None of them like seven shuddy, but like. Treve, you should, like six and two, seven and two. You should tweet that at some of like the short kings of baseball. And I bet it would make their day that you tweeted at them about Sam Dudono. Sam fucking to Duno. All right. Let's tie it off. Hell of a show.

Cats away. the mice will play. John Boy moving in. Got his notes in early. Pregame show coming up next. Enjoy the baseball today. Oh my God. Jake sucks. I'll put the Sanvedino highlight reel I want to show you in the pregame chat. Okay. You guys.