Talkin' Baseball (MLB Podcast) - 268 | Infielders are Signing!

Episode Date: January 28, 2021

Baseball is so hot in the streets. 9:00 - Semien to Toronto 18:45 - Andrelton Simmons to Minnesota 25:00 - Tommy LaStella to SF Giants 32:00 - Galvis to Baltimore 34:45 - Mets trad Matz to the Blue Ja...ys 38:00 - Jon Heyman had a good tweeet 44:45 - Mets signed Aaron Loup 46:15 - Yankees Signed Darren O'Day 54:30 - Where does Jomboy think Bauer is heading? Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

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Starting point is 00:00:01 Hello and welcome to Talking Baseball. A lot of movement, hot in the streets. We got infielders going everywhere. We got some relievers getting signed and a Mets trade. Let's do it. Hello and welcome to Talking Baseball. Thank you very much for joining us today. My name is Jimmy sitting next to me is Jake.
Starting point is 00:00:33 We got Trev coming to you from California and producer Bug Bug Bug Dude behind the dish. A lot of things happened since last episode. It's hot in the street. streets, as Jake would say, we got some infielders getting signed. That went just like fantasy baseball, just like, oh, we're doing infielders. And then everyone did infielders. And then everyone's like, well, what about D-D? And we'll get to that.
Starting point is 00:00:57 And then we got a nice trade last night. We got some relievers getting picked up. We got a lot of fun being had on the waiver wire baseball. Hey, guys, I'm live from California. Jimmy, I love that what you said about the infielders going in the draft. I like drafting a tight end. I feel like that gives me an advantage in the draft. Thank you. Trevor, Jake, do you have any thoughts?
Starting point is 00:01:21 I'm a weasel. I don't know. I'm just passing a weasel around together. That's what I am. That's me, Jake. I'm Jake. I'm a bad guy. I leave my underwear on the couch.
Starting point is 00:01:34 Sorry, but... VVD is gasping for air over there. Trevor, how are you, my good friend? I don't mind you coming at me, but for you to... say I draft tight ends early is a joke. I do not do that. I don't draft quarterbacks early either. Do not put that out there
Starting point is 00:01:53 because that's not who I am. Me on the other fact, when I came at you kind of is who you are. Wow. Deep cuts, man. Jesus. That backfired on you. All time backfire for Jake. So joke I meant to say raccoon maybe.
Starting point is 00:02:09 Yeah, no. I mean, we well, we'll talk about that. We'll get there. We'll get there. But first and most importantly, for the people. I got a shout out the people. Sharon Rover. Michael Sherman. Get moving.
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Starting point is 00:03:09 Zwicky. That's a good relief pitcher name. Yes. That icky Zwiki. Zwiki. Speaking of Patreon, we just changed everything. If you want to get into the mix and support us, you can go to patreon.com slash johnboy media. If you would like a shout out on talking baseball,
Starting point is 00:03:24 we have two tiers now. There's some perks. We made social media accounts called John Boy Media Patrons for Twitter and Instagram to do just behind the scene stuff in the office whenever we go on trips. And that'll only be for patrons only. When we have guests interviews lined up, We're going to tell patrons about that guest and collect questions from patrons,
Starting point is 00:03:46 and we will have a Patreon question of the interview. So that's exciting. And there's a ton of more perks. Go to the patreon.com slash jammed me to check it out. Thank you to everyone that supports us. And I'm happy that we're finally making a big effort to give back to those people. So I'm excited about it. Also excited about how many things happened, Jake.
Starting point is 00:04:05 You said, I think we ended last show with you saying like baseball's hot in the streets, but it's about to like go. And I said that the dam was about to be broken down. And then we kind of got it a little bit. And then Treve called me a weasel and then double down. Yeah. He said, I called you a weasel and it's not a joke. No.
Starting point is 00:04:22 Yeah. All in on that. Yeah. So. Okay. You can get weasley. Oh, sure. No, no.
Starting point is 00:04:28 I told you it's more wrecked home and easel. I get a little wormy. Jake gets very wormy. I have a picture from Christmas 2013. Jake's full-blown worm. Actually, it's 2014. I'll show you. It's like the most wormy he's ever looked.
Starting point is 00:04:41 I'll see if I can find him at a time when I'm not talking. Very wormy. Let me just explain the raccoon reference real quick because I feel like, you know, was it a shot at him? Sure. But for people that follow our podcast, I know I have a rodent problem. The gopher's in my yard.
Starting point is 00:04:56 I'm constantly fighting them. I woke up the other day to my grass torn up in a completely new way. Yeah. With a new critter. So I set up a hidden camera and found that this raccoon has been rolling up this new sod that I planted. Just like this. These little paws rolling it up.
Starting point is 00:05:17 Can we post the video? I'll give me. Is there any private? BPD has it. There's no like private info on the video, right? No, no. And it looks like Jake. This raccoon's hungry.
Starting point is 00:05:28 He's looking for worms. The way the raccoon is navigating looks similar to me. Like when you're hungry, I assume you go to the fridge and it looks just like that. I think that gopher was looking to roll some grass, if you know what I mean. So you just woke up and your grass was unrolled in that manner? I had no idea what happened. It looks like something only a human could do if I was to see it the first time. I think like Teddy was fucking with your grass, your son.
Starting point is 00:05:55 And there was no paw print. So I said, I said, I have to see what's going on. I set this camera up, put it there, got the video, obviously. I sent it to you guys and just reminded me a Jake. Well. And I like raccoons. in, what's the Pocahontas?
Starting point is 00:06:12 Pocahontas, the raccoon's my favorite character. He's very, like, you want to I don't know if that translates to you liking raccoons. Okay, whatever. I don't know. I'm sure there's a cat in a cartoon I like, but I hate cats. No, I don't think so. I think you've instantly right off the cat.
Starting point is 00:06:28 I can't kill a raccoon, right? Name the cat cartoon you like. It's too big of an animal. I've got to think of it. Garfield. I don't think you like Garfield. Baseball's hot in the streets. The listeners know that.
Starting point is 00:06:39 You boys know that. You gals know that. Patrons, we love you. Are we doing the infielders, Jim? You've got it labeled infield crew. Infield crew went and got... Do we follow the money here? I'm going to just read them in order.
Starting point is 00:06:52 Then we'll tackle it one by one. Marcus Simeon goes to the Toronto Blue Jays one year, $18 million deal. That's a really high A-AV. But it is just one year. We'll get into what that means in a little bit. And Drilton Simmons. goes to Trev's twins, one year 10.5 million. Tommy Lestella goes to the San Francisco Giants on a three-year deal.
Starting point is 00:07:16 We're not positive on the money yet. And Freddie Galvis, a one-year deal to the Baltimore Orioles. We do have the shot of the raccoon up now. Oh. It's just funny. I mean, it's great. Tell me that's not a joke. I mean, you sent this in the talking baseball chat,
Starting point is 00:07:34 and it was, I think the younger boys, David and Zach were scared to... I don't handle rodents well. Yeah. But yeah, I mean, that's live from the ploof backyard. I also just texted you Jake's worm picture, BPD, if you wanted to throw that up. So wormy.
Starting point is 00:07:53 It's like the warmiest he's ever looked in his life. It's bizarre. Let's talk about Marcus Simian going to the Blue Jays. Okay, we have an audible laugh from BPD on the worm. It's the... It's not the grossest I've ever looked. It's close. It's very wormy.
Starting point is 00:08:07 Yes. I was drunk. I was getting gross with it. Yeah. Gross to grind. Simeon to the Blue Jays. Second basement, Marcus Simeon. Yes.
Starting point is 00:08:17 So he's going to move over to second base. Bo's going to stay at shortstop. Cabin's going to move to third. I'm guessing Vladdy's going to go to first. And there might be some rotations around if they want to. Really high price for Simeon. He moves to second base. I'm guessing they,
Starting point is 00:08:34 I'm guessing they wanted to keep Bo at short. And if you go get Simmons, he's going to be your shortstop. And then you have to move Bo around. And they wanted Marcus Simeon. They gave him the one-year deal. Their lineup is crazy talented right now. The infield's really fun. The defense should be really good.
Starting point is 00:08:53 A lot of people have mixed reviews on Simeon at shortstop. I think at second base, he's probably going to shine pretty bright defensively. And his bat's been good lately. So it's a huge deal. I have, well, Treb, what do you got on this deal? I mean, whoever he landed up with was getting an incredible baseball player. I'm, oh my gosh. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:09:16 So if you're just listening on the podcast app, you're going to have to go to the YouTube to see. Hide the kids. It's a bad. That's a bad. It's wormy. It's wormy right. Top right on the screen. It can get.
Starting point is 00:09:31 Not a Marcus Simeon ad. Not a good guy. Not a good baseball player. Let me get back to Marcus. That's really making me. Nauseous. Disgusted, yeah. Hot. But Marcus, you know, he's, I think it's strange to me that he's going to second base.
Starting point is 00:09:46 I love the move for the Blue Jays because getting him in your infield and getting him in your lineup on a one-year deal is great. I love the AAV for Marcus. I wish he could have got more years, but kind of understandable the year he was coming off of and whatnot. So to me, it makes more sense for him to go to third base than second base. Leave cabin at second, leave Beau at short. Let Marcus go to third base. But they must have some defensive metrics saying this is the move. I don't know why.
Starting point is 00:10:16 But he improves that team. He's going to help the young. I keep saying this with all these free agents, because I really believe it to be true. He's going to help them develop. He was a bad fielder, bad defender that turned into a really good defender, and it was just by work. So he's going to go show them that. And I think that alone is worth, you know, a lot to the Blue Jays franchise.
Starting point is 00:10:38 Yeah, I think that's kind of part of it that mentally sucks about the Simeon thing. His whole rise at the shortstop position was a conversation in baseball for years. And then he finally figured it out with hard work, which Trev, you hammer home. Like, if you want to get better at defense, that's the way. There's no secret. There's no sleep apnea trick. There's no nothing. Like, it's hard work.
Starting point is 00:10:59 Get in there and he did that. So, and, you know, in the 53 games last year, he wasn't graded short. But he was so good the past couple years. He had really good defensive war, which we'll be talking a lot of defensive war when we get to Andrewton Simmons in a little bit. But I think that's what's interesting. And again, one year, Treve, you drive this home a lot. Like, there's no risk for the teams. Like, they make money.
Starting point is 00:11:22 And for one year, this guy, there's a couple different ways you could cut this. His career numbers aren't that impressive. But in the last three years, he's also racked up about 14 war, which, you know, you translate that to millions of dollars. that's a lot of kish. So for a one-year gamble for this team that wants to go to the next level and how much we talked about how these young guys pan out and how that's going to kind of depend what their ceiling is, I love it.
Starting point is 00:11:51 I love it. And a little kind of off the field on the field stuff, which I picked this up from MLB Network. I'll give them a shout out. The Blue Jays, I think they were the only team in baseball last year without an African-American player, and now they've added Springer and Simeon. So they made a conscious effort to go do that.
Starting point is 00:12:12 The Blue Jays, they added Taiwan Walker later in the year, but they started. So, you know, Toronto's this diverse city. It's one of the most diverse cities in the world. So they're, I don't know. You got to love what Toronto's done. I mean, if you added, if we did this last year before last season happened, the 50 game season, and they added George Springer and Marcus Simeon, I mean, we would be going nuts about it.
Starting point is 00:12:37 So the fact they gave Springer the bag and they unloaded it, the fact they only have to go one year with Simeon is kind of nuts. And I do think he had some multi-year offers. We got some whispers of that, but obviously not at this A.A.V. So he's doing the bet on himself. So go rake, kid. Yeah, I love it for the Blue Jays. Obviously, their lineup is amazing.
Starting point is 00:12:57 They still need pitching. They did a trade and we'll get to that later in the show. But their lineup is great now. the business side of this, Simeon takes this deal. He's going to get a ton of money for one year. I don't know the thought process between third and second, Trev, but he wants to go into free agency next year as a shortstop.
Starting point is 00:13:16 So maybe if he stays at second, he's at least still considered a middle infielder because he wants to go into next free agency as a shortstop with all those other huge names because a rising blah, blah lifts all boats or whatever that's saying is, there's going to be a lot of money thrown at the shortstop position. and if he's the third best, he's still going to, teams will be like, well, let's get
Starting point is 00:13:36 seeming because he's going to cost less than these three guys. So I think that's kind of the one-year deal thing. What I find really interesting, the business side of this deal, he got $18 million. The qualifying offer that the A's could have offered him is one year $18.9 million or $18.5, or forget exactly what I is. So if they offered him that and he turned it down, because he was looking for a multiple year deal, then sign this one.
Starting point is 00:14:08 The Oakland A's could have got a draft pick out of this, which are coveted by people. Because they didn't offer him the qualifying offer, the Blue Jays can now offer him the qualifying offer this year, correct? Which he probably won't accept, and the Blue Jays will probably get a draft pick out of this deal. So I think if you're a front office and GM, we'll take Simeon for one year and we'll get a draft pick out of them for next year
Starting point is 00:14:31 if we don't re-sign him. Yeah, and if he's good enough to do that, you know, it's paid off for Toronto tenfold. I think he's going to want a multiple-year deal. I don't think he's going to want to go back-to-back one. It's going to be really interesting because, you know, I think a team at this point will be able to talk them into Marcus Simion at second or potentially shortstop the next year. And who knows how this season plays out? Like, Bob Bichette hasn't played a full season of baseball yet.
Starting point is 00:14:56 So I wouldn't be shocked if we see some Marcus Simeon playing shortstop for the Blue J. this year and if he looks solid, you know, the question is with the stick, man. He's got the Monster 2019. He had an 892 OPS, a 139 OPS plus, finish third in the MVP. He was a beast. He doesn't have an offensive season with above a 735 OPS after that. And that same, that was 2016. So Marcus, you got more in the stick. Can you get another 800 OPS season on the board? And then maybe you can find your two. two, three-year landing spot, or, you know, are you going to be in this one-year flyer mode where teams are searching for that 2019?
Starting point is 00:15:41 Toronto, baby. You talk about a rising tide raises all ships, Jim? Yeah. Playing in Toronto raises all your numbers. I mean, that's a great place to hit. Yeah. You know, I still, I keep going back. Like, why second base?
Starting point is 00:15:56 You said maybe they want to keep them as a middle infielder. but to me it just seems more natural at third base for a shortstop to go play third base the throws the same you're on that left side of the infield he hasn't had to move to his right anyway with also yeah we're chatting over there yeah so it's going to be interesting to see I think he'll adapt well to it because he is a hard worker and he'll just go in and just figure it out but the second base turn is tough and if he hasn't done it a lot which I don't think he has that's something to to look out for I mean in spring training he's just going to have to hammer that and hammer it. But I'm happy for Marcus. You know, I know we talk about money and it
Starting point is 00:16:33 get silly sometimes on here because we're talking about millions of dollars. I mean, the guy put up that season, gets rewarded with $13 million in arbitration, but he only made 30% of that last year. Like that's ultimate bad luck. You know, like your biggest year of your, he's worked so hard. And you get paid that and you make 30% of your biggest year. So, you know, a nice payday for him, really securing the bag, happy, a good guy, all around good guy. All the reports coming out. out of Oakland and the Bay area about him. Everyone's sad to lose a guy, like, of his, like, he was a quality person. From the Bay, so he's changing coasts.
Starting point is 00:17:08 Man, there would be. Trev, I know we're not a CBA pod yet, but if players could have something in, when they hit their arbears, that they could either, like, give money back to the team to hit free agency early or something. Like, if Simeon could have hit some sort of clause where he could have hit free agency last year, Oda Rizzi. I play for a dollar the rest of the way. That could be the clause.
Starting point is 00:17:33 I don't see that panning out. That's a first football. All about timing, man. It is all about timing. It is nuts, man. Next up we got. I would have liked to be a free agent earlier. Shoot.
Starting point is 00:17:43 Yeah. Final note. Final note. You mentioned Bijio. He's going to be fun to watch this year. It's sounding like he's going to play a lot of third, but they also want to move him around a lot. They want him to be their super util.
Starting point is 00:17:56 So I think skinny vlo. Skinny Vlad has to earn up his street cred to get some reps over there, but you know he wants it. His bio still reads Blue Jay's third baseman, and he lost all that weight. Yes. They're kids. Like his Twitter bio?
Starting point is 00:18:12 Yes. Because like Klubers, whatever, changed. Think about who you're comparing. I know, I know. I don't know his account. Some of these young people, you look at their account, you're like, oh, he doesn't run this. I mean, Vlad, he's been getting in sexy season.
Starting point is 00:18:23 He lost a lot of weight. I get that, but he just, I mean, I get it. And hopefully he does play some games over, though. It would be great. But I just think, look, just go play first base, man. Go, go rake. Go rake. Become Prince Fielder.
Starting point is 00:18:34 All of those guys we just mentioned, go rake. The defense figures itself out. Speaking of defense, Angleton Simmons. Adjolton? Algerton? How do you say his first name? Andrilton. Angleton.
Starting point is 00:18:45 So I nailed it. And then I double checked it. Okay. One for 10 and a half to the Minnesota twins, Trev. The defense in Minnesota is going to be superb. Polanco is going to move to second base. arise is going to become a super utility. I mean, you got great outfield defense.
Starting point is 00:19:02 It's a good move for them. He's going to be the shortstop. It's a one-year deal. Trev, you were excited about this? Yeah, so I actually just finished up a sequence episode going over a particular play of Angleton's. I had it on the burner. And then when he went to Minnesota, I said, you know, it's a good thing, a good time to do it.
Starting point is 00:19:22 So, yes, you're right about Josh Donaldson and Andleton Simmons on the left side of infield, that's like a pitcher's dream, having those guys. And I have some numbers, because like I said, just finished up. He has 159.9 defensive runs saved since he came into league in 2012. Second place at his position is 64 runs behind him. That's Brandon Crawford, who we all know is an excellent defender. He trails only Xander Bogartz and Lindor and Fangrauss War during that time. and we know what kind of offensive players those guys are.
Starting point is 00:19:59 Simmons' value is almost completely brought by his defense. That's how good of a defender he is. He's been about worth the same as those guys just defensively. And you can go on and on and on. I mean, there is, it is not crazy to say that this is the best defensive shortstop of all time. There's a chance. I'd like to see it for... One of the best defenders of all time.
Starting point is 00:20:23 You want to see it for a few more years, but I do look more years. Baseball, you know, the wizard. He's got eight plus eight, almost nine years in the show. The two guys you're going to compare him to have 20. And he'll get there. He'll get there. That's what I just said. You got kind of mad at me and called me a weasel before.
Starting point is 00:20:46 Treve, I will compliment you because, dude, I love just individual team dynamic stuff. And man, when Donaldson's picking it right at third with Andrelton, that is just going to be special in and of itself. That's a very special version of baseball porn, the left side of the infield, coming to my only fan soon. Never mind if Buxton's healthy and center, my word, people like Kepler defensively, you know, if the twins with that offense can find another identity with the defense, I like that as a team for them. hopefully we still expect them to make a pitching move but I like it for Andrelton I have to give Jim some love I thought some analytics nerd was going to talk themselves into giving Andrelton two three years didn't happen he takes the one year deal would be curious to how his free agency went because I know there are some teams still out there looking for short stops but
Starting point is 00:21:41 really fun for one year and I mean you know go check out sequence of truth do you do like and I went through I wanted to do a good play of his, and I searched Andrewton Simmons defensive highlights. Sure. You could go down a rabbit hole. And I audibly gassed many times. Like, oh, my God. Oh, my God.
Starting point is 00:22:04 Like, he is that special to watch it. And maybe, like, underappreciated. Well, he's only won four-goal gloves. Just go watch those highlights. And you just see he's just a different type of defender. It's really cool to watch. They need to get. Cruz. I mean, you're taking a hit on offense here to strengthen up your defense. And the best
Starting point is 00:22:25 way to counteract that is to have one of the best power hitting DHS you can have in the American League. So I would like them to, if they miss out on Cruz, I'm going to be upset. They got rid of Eddie or Eddie. The Cruz is currently not on the team. That's two boom sticks. So they need Cruz back. And then I love, love, love, love this move. Because you are taking a hit offensively. here. You basically, you have no bat to short the defense, which you can do if you have a guy like Cruz who's not playing defense, but going to fucking rake and play every single game. So I'd like them to lock up Cruz pretty soon. I think they will. I agree with you. You know, they are taking a hit offensively with him, but, you know, you can counter that with their pitching is going to be better. Their defensive number is going to be better. So like it's, it might be just like a net zero thing or, I mean, maybe even more. But Cruz definitely needs to be back in that lineup. I believe he will be. And the reason why Simmons is underrated is because he plays for the Angels, which is where you go to fade out and die.
Starting point is 00:23:26 And someone argued with me that. I don't know if it was one of you two or was a guest we had during winter meetings. I stand firm on that. You will get no love if you play for the Angels. I think you said that Anaheim wasn't a big enough market for Trevor Bauer. Something like that. Well, my point was no one cares about or watches the Angels. Dude, it's the star power they have on their team.
Starting point is 00:23:48 International star power. I said it's the dim lights, and it is. You have all those stars, and the lights just dim. It's crazy. Yeah. Next up in the... We're done with Simmons. Oh, the one note I had here is that Thaddeus Levine,
Starting point is 00:24:04 the GM for the twins, which isn't an early settler name. It's kind of like he built the buildings. He would alive at that time period, but he wasn't settling land. He was the sexy name for the earlier settlers. No. The cool names, the kids.
Starting point is 00:24:18 are coming out with now. He paid the bills for the settlers to, like, live, but they never actually met Thaddeus Levine in person. He was just a figure. Okay. I could see that. He owned the ships that brought him over. These are Thadieus Levine ships.
Starting point is 00:24:32 Yeah. Anyway, Thad Levine said he was watching. He's a Twins GM. He said he was watching the Dodgers in the World Series. Saw how flexible they are. Being able to play so many different positions and change up, and it was jealous of that and thought, we have the personnel to do that.
Starting point is 00:24:47 So he actually wanted to get Polanco, out of a fixed position and Arise super util and all that. Well, good. And just when we were pivoting off the Blue Jays, we almost said the same things just with different names. Arise goes to the util role. Polanco is going to shift over to second. That's, this is the way, hashtag Star Wars.
Starting point is 00:25:06 Tommy Lestella is going to the Giants on a three-year deal. We don't know the money yet. I tried to find it, but we don't know the money yet. We just know it's a three-year deal. I was a little interested in this because Lestella's older 33. He's turning 32 in two days. Okay, 32, a year off. And I thought there was a weird move by him, but then I looked at his career earnings.
Starting point is 00:25:35 He signed a two-year $3 million deal with the Angels two seasons ago, and that was his first time reaching free agency. so if they offered him like three years, 15 mil or something north of 10, I think he doesn't care what team he signs with and he just takes the payday. I thought a guy at 32 that's been playing really well would go hunting down a contender. And then I went through his contract and I was like, oh, he's probably going to go take whatever the biggest bag he can get no matter where it is. I know, Trev, but I thought if he already earned like that 10 to 15,
Starting point is 00:26:09 then he would be going and searching for just like, I want to win right now. I'm probably, you know, three more years left in my career, basically. He almost retired when he was 26 when the Cubs sent him back down to AAA, and then he came back up. He's been really good on the Angels. He broke his leg, and then he came back. He got traded to the A's last year. It was great in the postseason for the A's. He's going to go over the Giants and play for three years.
Starting point is 00:26:32 The Giants have no one on the books in 2023. That's like their date. Like, I think that's when Longo comes off, and everyone's going to. coming off the books then? It starts trickling off. I think even after this year, a couple of big ones. I think Posey comes off the book. So it's, they will be turning over some big money in the next few years. Yeah. So I wonder if he's part of like, seems like he's part of like the fading giants and not part of the rebuilding when they have a ton of money. But hopefully the contract is nice for him. I mean, it's a good, good player. Treve, I really want to get your thoughts on this because each baseball reference page
Starting point is 00:27:13 tells a story. How could you not be romantic about baseball? Tommy Lestellas is a weird one. We just came off of Andrelton Simmons, who, you know, could put together a story for Best Defender of all time. You look at the offensive stats for Andrelton, and, you know, it's kind of a you. Tommy Lestella, the numbers are kind of nice. You're seeing a ton of positive OPS pluses. You're seeing some years in the 800s. And, you know, I remember when he was coming up on the Cubs. people were into them. The nickname on baseball reference is 3 a.m., which I Googled, and it's actually a pretty good Joe Madden.
Starting point is 00:27:46 Big O-A-R fan. They asked Joe Madden something about Tommy Lestell, and he was like, I kid could roll out of bed at 3 a.m. and hit you, which is a pretty good coaching line. I know we're not the biggest Madden pod, but Trev, it's a weird one. He's only got one season where he played 123 games, and he didn't get big at bats that year. You're like cumulative.
Starting point is 00:28:07 I mean, he's got like three baseball seasons over seven years. So I don't know what to do with it. He can clearly hit a little bit. He's had some bad luck. He's had some trying to crack for playing time on those good Cubs teams, and it kind of never figured itself out. So I'm really interested to see what you have to say. I'm interested to see what I'm going to say, too. I really don't have a read on this, to be honest with you. I mean, if I'm looking at kind of what's going on in the market, you had pro far, Kike, and I guess Tom of the Stel. They're all kind of like super utility guys that can play everywhere. I think Kiki to me is probably the best of the bunch of that.
Starting point is 00:28:44 And so him and ProFar both got 7 million AAV, and I'd kind of be shocked if he was approached that for three years. But he should be right around there. Maybe it's a 315, something like that. I don't know the direction the Giants are trying to go. They're one of those teams that just don't know what they're thinking. But I'm happy that he gets paid. I don't like the story, Jim, of him trying to quit when they sent him down in AAA.
Starting point is 00:29:09 Clearly he got over that being like I guess I don't know what else to call him, but like a baby. I guess it's, dude, I would guess it's. Everyone has their baseball story of when like, hey, put, you know, he probably didn't quit. He probably, I would say he. It's story. I mean, you put that out there. I don't. Well, it's just like a line that that I think maybe he was like, yeah, it was when they sent me back down, I really had to consider like if, if this is what I'm going to be doing with my life.
Starting point is 00:29:36 I probably wasn't, you know, probably maybe he's got a, I don't know his family situation. I think everyone has a push come to shove moment. And then he stayed through it. Then he broke his leg. Hopefully he got a good deal right now. Yeah, I hope he did too. Like, I don't mean, I'm not like calling him names. I just didn't really like that tidbit about him.
Starting point is 00:29:54 But he clearly got over it. He is a good offensive player. He's one of those guys that, you know, you kind of hear about, like on the Cubs. Then with the Angels, he really kind of found his own. Maybe something clicked there offensively. Giants are going to be so weird this year again. Their lineup can sneaky hit. Their lineup did sneaky good last year,
Starting point is 00:30:17 and they add a guy like Lestella, and the whole crew of hitters is basically back. Like, they're going to finish around 500 again, which is this weird baseball teams don't do this. I think they're better than the Rockies and the dimebacks, and they'll do well in those games. I think they get crushed by the Dodgers and the Padres. And we'll just be doing the same thing all year.
Starting point is 00:30:38 We were like, oh, Giants took two out of three. And we'll be like, what's it all mean? Kind of nothing. Fan service. Longo, Crawford, Lestella, Belt. Is that who we got in the infield there? It's a pretty good infield. They've got options, man.
Starting point is 00:30:55 I mean, Wilmer Flores has been kind of hitting and he's on the roster. Longo, Donnie Barrels. Donnie Barrels over there. Let's see it, guys. A, Dick, Yostremski. A dick? They were the six best OPS team last year. It's funny that Longo still has two more years.
Starting point is 00:31:17 I'm making a lot of money, man. Making a lot of daddy money. Good for him. Yeah. He's the real deal, though. Like, I'm not, like, he should be making that money. He earned that money. Us three and us four, BBD, and Longo go out to dinner.
Starting point is 00:31:33 We're having a good time. Mm-hmm. Okay. Oh, is that? the question? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You guys would love him. Okay. Cool. So he gets silly? He can. He's got a switch. He could flip. Okay. That's all I need to know. Yeah. Last infielder that went was Freddie Galvis. One year deal to the Baltimore Orioles. Another defense first guy. This guy can pick it at short.
Starting point is 00:31:58 He's been at short for a while. Just bouncing around. I like this deal because I love good structured deals. it's a one year for 1.5 million. He gets a 250k bonus if the Orioles trade him. So if he plays good enough that they can trade him for a prospect, he gets a little bump there. So the intent by the Orioles is kind of known. Like we said the Red Sox probably picked up Ottavino just so they could trade him.
Starting point is 00:32:29 Like this is like the Orioles like flat out. Dude, come here. We'll give you Major League at bats for three months. you get yourself onto another team. We'll give you a little bonus. Otherwise, you're probably going to get benched in August and September. I like Freddie, man. He's fun to watch play.
Starting point is 00:32:47 He's pretty good defensively. He's got two 20 homer seasons in the bag. It's a $1.5 million tryout to be on a contender. And they did this with Jose Iglesias last year. And for some reason, he raked, which was odd. He became like their DH. But yeah, Freddie, go out and get it. And, man, dude, started in 2020.
Starting point is 00:33:05 12 still doing it. A fun dude to watch play, and I think the OPS is, you know, it's below league average, career 67, but I don't know. It always felt like he gave tougher at bats than that when he was in Toronto playing against the Yankees. So sure, Freddie G. All right. Yeah, he's a good clubhouse guy.
Starting point is 00:33:27 So again, say it again, you need veterans to teach the young guys how to act, what to do at the baby level, and he's a guy that they can use for that. I forget when he signed. It was right when somebody else signed. And my buddy, John Miole, who does Oriole stuff, tweeted it out. And he was like, Freddie Galvis one year, 1.5. It's just like, ah. Good job, Bose.
Starting point is 00:33:48 I don't hate it for the Orgos either. Knock yourselves out. Hopefully you get it. That was my favorite day in spring training when we saw the Orioles. Great internet. The internet was unrivaled. It's the best internet I've ever seen. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:34:01 And we ate some, like, ridiculous sandwich out in that little area. Is that barbecue? No, yeah, but it is named after Orioles. Oh, yeah. Pug, Powell. Yeah, it was a bug. Yeah, they got that at the stadium. No, that's a big pal.
Starting point is 00:34:16 Different book? The first base was... Oriel's. Oriel's fans are going to be mad at us. Book. Bug. It's not Book Powell, though. Okay.
Starting point is 00:34:32 Well, anyway, that rounds out the infielers, moving on. Is it? Is it? We've moved on. A trade happened last night. The Mets and the Blue Jays, big trade buddies. We got like... Friends.
Starting point is 00:34:47 Three different GMs, but these guys are still trading on them. And they send... Stephen Mats is going from the Mets to the Blue Jays. The Blue Jays are sending three pitchers back. Sean Reed Foley, Yenzi Diaz, and John Winkowski. John Winkowski. The Blue Jays are picking up. follow Stephen Matt's contract. It's got one year left on it and he's making $5.2 million.
Starting point is 00:35:15 The Jays are picking up that entire thing. So what the Jays get here is a potential four or five. Stephen Mats has been declining. His results have been declining like crazy the last couple years. And the Blue Jays are hoping that the analytics help them out because there's still some good stuff there. his strikeout rate was really good last year his Velo is still there 95 miles per hour on his fastball Just two seem fastball so like they still got some stuff I know you know Saris was saying that he still ranks in like top 30 of pictures for like quality stuff Or whatever the hell that means
Starting point is 00:35:56 I don't care about this move I think it's a bad move for the Blue Jays I think it's a good move for the Mets I think there was a chance Mets got DFA'd this year there was a chance like he didn't break spring training and the Blue Jays just went and got three pitchers for him or the Mets just went and got three pitchers for him so I like this from the Mets standpoint if the Blue Jays think Stephen Mats is the answer
Starting point is 00:36:20 he's not he's going to be a four or five he's got the potential I still think the I need the Blue Jays to go get Odo or get Paxson and then I like this for them because they didn't trade away anyone that's going to make or break the next couple years for them either on the Blue Jays side So I guess it needs, there needs to be more moves for this. They still need someone that's going to be in their rotation above Stephen Mats is my opinion.
Starting point is 00:36:45 Look, you get a lefty that can throw hard like that. You just take them and see if he can make some adjustments. Just a quick little scouting report here. Like he doesn't throw his force teamer very often. And to me that seems like if you throw hard, you should probably start throwing that more often. And he doesn't throw that often. He doesn't have great spin on it. guess what he's going to go do.
Starting point is 00:37:09 He's going to get a little bit of pelican grip. He's going to put it on his fingers, and all of a sudden his RPMs are going to jump from 2000 to 2300, and he's going to start throwing his four seam right at the top of the zone. And maybe he figures things out and will be like, damn, that was a really good deal for the Blue Jays. They found a diamond in the rough. They polished it a little bit.
Starting point is 00:37:28 And here he is shining in the playoffs because they've been making moves. I like this move. I was the one that I think Matt's is good. And then you guys said, well, he stinks. then I looked at his numbers and he has stunk. But pure stuff, he's still got it. There's something about baseball,
Starting point is 00:37:44 a lefty that can throw it. And when you look at his baseball savant, the only things that are up are fastball V-Lo and K percentage. So any team around baseball is going to see that and say, what can we do with this guy? I am going to do something. I don't know if we've ever done on this program. Okay.
Starting point is 00:38:05 John Heyman had a good tweet. John Heyman had a good tweet. I love that. What do you say? He said, well, for those who saw Mats, and this is going back a little bit, as a non-tender candidate, which he was. We talked about that. He was going to make 5 mil, and we were wondering if that was going to be worth it in this free agent market.
Starting point is 00:38:25 The Mets turned into three bodies, like you just mentioned. And on the Mets side of that, they were looking for, and it sucks that this was kind of a baseball phrase that you need nowadays to survive. The Mets needed MLB kind of quadruple-A guys they could call up. And Yazni and Reed Foley kind of are those guys. So they give the Mets when their injuries hit or if you need a guy to come into the bullpen for 10 games or whatever it is, you have guys that have pitched at the MLB level,
Starting point is 00:38:58 and they can come do that for you. So I think for the Mets this is really good. If they didn't have anything else they could do with Mats, they kind of tapped him out. I like it for the Mets. But I do like it for the Blue Jays. You'd take a flyer on a lefty that can twirl it, and hey, he's going to go there with Robbie Ray,
Starting point is 00:39:13 who's been striking dudes out from the left side for year. Ryu, he's got some tricks up his butt. Well, what if I say this? I like this as a, I think the value somewhat makes sense here. Maybe the Blue Jays could have gotten like a prospect with Mats. Maybe not. They took on all the money. I don't know.
Starting point is 00:39:30 But the Blue Jays, I would still like them to be in on Odorizzi or Paxton. If their pitching isn't done, we're not happy. Yes, if this is the final pitching rotation move, because they're like they're saying, their lineups amazing now. Like, go supplement that. Don't be the angels. Go get some more starters. A little bit on these guys that are going to the Mets.
Starting point is 00:39:51 Sean Reed Foley, he started some games in 18, started some games in 19. They put him in the pen in 2020. He plays better as a reliever as far as the numbers. He does not have a third pitch at all. He's fastball slider. He tried to throw the change up as a starter. just got crushed. And Jim, this is going to be, I think Treb might think this is kind of mean.
Starting point is 00:40:12 He looks like a reliever. He's a reliever. He looks like a reliever. I had that in my notes. I knew you were going to, I knew you were going to agree with me. Dude's got a funny mustache and he's tatted up. He looks like a relief. He's born to come out of the pet.
Starting point is 00:40:24 Yes, that guy's not a, yeah. I think Treves Google. I got to look him up. Yeah. Look him up. He looks like Sean Reed Foley. Sean Reed Foley. First pitcher from Galway.
Starting point is 00:40:38 Guam? That's not true. None of that's true. Interested to see Trebs reaction. He was first pitcher from Guam. He was born in Guam. First pitcher to ever make the big leagues. That was born in Guam.
Starting point is 00:40:51 Second big leaguer to ever be born from Guam. The other guy was, I wrote it down somewhere because I did so much research for this episode. John Hattig, who was a hitter for the Blue Jays. So this is going to be the first time a player from born in Guam. plays for a team not called the Blue Jays. Did you see pictures? He looks like a reliever, Treb, yes or no?
Starting point is 00:41:13 I wouldn't trust him. That's a reliever. Yeah. Yeah, that's the guy. I mean, I don't know about, I'm not talking about in a baseball game. Maybe I'll trust him in the back end of a baseball game, but I wouldn't trust him just like around my wallet or something like that.
Starting point is 00:41:27 My God. Oh, wow. Tattooist. Tough. I don't even see tattoos. Am I falling? I guess I'm only looking at a headshot, so that makes sense. You see the mustache?
Starting point is 00:41:37 Yeah. It's the smile for me that does it. It's very mischievous. Yeah. Well, he looks like a reliever, and I don't know what the Mets are going to use him as. If they want to go pull him, put him in the reliever roll, they might just stash him in AAA.
Starting point is 00:41:50 Two of the guys that the Mets got that Jake talked about, Yenzi Diaz and Sean Reed Foley are 40 man guys. They both make their big leagues, but they have options so they can start the year in AAA. Up and down. Yenzi definitely will. He only appeared in one game. He actually replaced Sean Reed Foley in a game
Starting point is 00:42:07 when they both got kind of beat up by the Orioles, I want to say. And then the other kid is a Rule 5 eligible guy. So, I mean, he can get picked up if he doesn't crack the 40 man. And the Blue Jays traded him away because maybe he was going to get picked up next year in the Rule 5. So there you go. But, wait. Yeah. I just looked at where Guam was.
Starting point is 00:42:30 Holy! He lived there? Born there. Is that like military? I don't know. It could be, I guess. It could be. It's a territory.
Starting point is 00:42:41 Literally. It's a U.S. territory. So yeah, probably. Yeah. Okay. Never would have guessed that. I thought Guam was like Central America, Latin America.
Starting point is 00:42:52 No, Guam is in the middle of the ocean. Some stuff in the Pacific. Like, what's going on out there? Love the Pacific. Great Ocean. Favorite Ocean? Yeah, Cali guy. Does it have good Yelp readings?
Starting point is 00:43:05 Guam or the Pacific Ocean? The Pacific Ocean. That's a thing. People rate oceans on Yelp, I'm just saying. How many oceans have you swim in? A couple. How many? I'm a two.
Starting point is 00:43:26 Jake's got two. He's got Pacific and Atlantic. Yeah, I mean, I guess I got to think. Like, where have I been swimming? The Gulf is not an ocean. The Mediterranean Sea is not an ocean. Big facts. How are you today?
Starting point is 00:43:42 Weasel. Have you been to the Indian Ocean? No, haven't been in the Indian Ocean. I have in your face. So, North Pacific, South Pacific. I think I've been. You haven't swam in the Arctic Ocean? No.
Starting point is 00:43:58 I'd like to do that. And have you swam in the southern ocean. I'm a two guy and I'm actually disappointed in myself that I'm a two guy. So I have the most ocean swam in on the show. Yeah. BPD. Is that the Australian guy? Yeah.
Starting point is 00:44:09 Yeah. It's because I want Australia. Indonesia. Swem in the Indian Ocean. Got offered to buy baby. Very sad. So I like this trade. And now the Mets also made another move,
Starting point is 00:44:23 which moves on to the, moves us into the reliever portion of today's episode. Can we talk about a couple old guys with some ugly slots they release from? Raise your kids to be a lefty or throw funky. No, I don't. Treves, no poo-pooing now. The Mets also brought in Aaron Loop. So I think the Mets bullpen has gone from an issue. It's either neutral or a little above neutral at this point.
Starting point is 00:44:54 Aaron Loop's good. I'd like them to put Reed Foley out there. He was decent out of the pen. He doesn't have a third pitch right now. And he looks like a reliever. They got Patances still. This guy replaces Wilson on their roster. He's a lefty.
Starting point is 00:45:09 I mean, we saw Loop look gross and we had no confidence in him in the postseason. I have been fully brainwashed by Aaron Loop. he looked so gross last year that he's got the Tampa Magic question Jimmy Trevor May Miguel Castro also in the Mets bullpen I'm starting to like their bullpen And I don't think it's a hindrance anymore at all And it was a sore, sore spot for them
Starting point is 00:45:31 Dude, it just starts getting into that range Where you start valuing guys You've moved some guys down the peg in the bullpen That it's like Familia is your fifth option Patancis as your fourth If one of those guys figures it out They can be lights out I still think Patanus can be the second
Starting point is 00:45:47 Seth Lugo in a flex role for them still. Man, if they do the Bauer nuke move, I mean, this is a very real team. And I think last year when we were doing PPPs, we said if the Mets roster was the Phillies, we would have liked them a lot more, but it's Metsy as it getsy. This year, I think it's a better team.
Starting point is 00:46:09 And it's kind of like, damn, is this going to be real? Well, we also have Yankees signing O'Day. and that's kind of their Ottavino replacement. Remember we were telling you, Trav, that they used Otto as a roguy, a righty's out only guy. Well, and he was making $7 million. Well, now they bring in O'Day, who is a Ritey out's only guy. And he's making $2 million. So it's a straight trade right there for O'Day.
Starting point is 00:46:36 O'Day and Britain teaming up again in the bullpen from their Oriole days. Do you have anything on either of these guys? Look, yeah, Loop totally changed the way I thought about him. last year when we saw him down the stretch with the race in the playoffs I don't know if he was as good had some maybe like an outing where he wasn't but I
Starting point is 00:46:55 no I wouldn't like to see him in high leverage situations is 2020 playoffs numbers nine games 5.1 innings um no no not nine games yeah nine games he allowed a run in one of the nine games he appeared in
Starting point is 00:47:12 okay again I wouldn't like if he's on my team and this is no shot at him. I'm sorry that I'm saying this. I'm just being honest here. I wouldn't like to see him in a high leverage situation. We said that about O'Day too.
Starting point is 00:47:26 Jake and I were like this guy, we're not going to feel confident in this guy. Just because not hard throwing bullpen guys. I will say it depends on who's up. Like, dude, obviously they're, I don't know about O'Day. Loop has been better against lefties. He's not bad against righties,
Starting point is 00:47:43 but in those situations, man, and he really hope he's up against a lefty that doesn't like a slider. And then with O'Day, you really hope he's up against the righty because left-handers, I don't know what the numbers are. I just know that in my baseball experience that left-handers love sidearm, right-hand pitchers.
Starting point is 00:48:00 It's not as insane as you think it would be. I mean, career, he has a righties, a 549 OPS. I mean, that's dominant. Lefties are 7-10. I mean, you normally, for a sidwinding guy like that, you normally expect that to be like 8-10 or something like that. But he's a little different. The Ron Darling, friend of the pod, kind of, likes Trevor Pluse takes.
Starting point is 00:48:24 He said something interesting during this playoffs that I asked you guys, because I just thought it was a weird way to look at it. He said veteran pitchers, they get better against the splits as they go because they've battled against it more. Darren O'Day has been battling against lefties for 15 years now, that he's got his game plan to get lefties out. So I don't know. I'm interested to see how the Yankees use them.
Starting point is 00:48:47 I think they're going to use them exactly like Atovino, like we've said. But yeah, it's going to be going to be interesting. When you're slinging 88 mile per hour fastballs and there's going to be devors at the plate or something like that, we're going to have a couple nervous moments. I will say for some people that might be confused, like I thought the three-batter minimum eliminated the roogie and the lugy. I'm using that term. I should maybe change it a little bit.
Starting point is 00:49:12 because it's more that if the manager sees the lane, which means the next three guys coming up are three righties, okay, that's Darren O'Day's inning. Doesn't care if it's the sixth, seventh, or eighth. Let's put him out here. Whereas Britain will be more, okay, there's two lefties coming up in the next three, let's use Britain. That's more how they see it now and use it now than one.
Starting point is 00:49:36 They can also end the inning with one of these guys, bringing in the ending. But I will say, loop, And O'Day, and I'm kind of, I have maybe a old school opinion on those guys because they don't throw like a typical sidearm guy used to. You really expect a sink out of that guy with a frisbee slider. But both those guys have kind of figured out how to get that rising trajectory on the ball. And that makes them different and makes them tougher to hit.
Starting point is 00:50:04 O'Day's release point is really funky. I think at first I was mentally picturing Chad Bradford. because he, Chad Brad came, underarm, scraping knuckles. He almost comes across his body that it's like, he releases it from the middle. It's a really, it's a funky look. It's a tough at bat, man. I was going to pull up a random video.
Starting point is 00:50:31 Random video. We got Darren O'Day Ball to Gio O'Shella. Wow, Blue Jay, Gio O'Shella. That's like rare, huh? Yeah. Thoughts, Jim? On that pitch? Not much.
Starting point is 00:50:47 It's just kind of basic. During Darren Obey's All-Star season, he had an 11-game scoreless streak that Trevor was a big part of the rally that ended that. Ooh. Producer BPD. What did he do, get hit by pitch? It was August 21st. Fielder's choice. He had a single, a bloop single.
Starting point is 00:51:09 Wow. Sinoed a second. A few guys scored. They were down three one at the time. they took a four three lead in the inning. Did you read the word bloop or is that your interpretation of it? I read an article. It was Trevor Plouf in a bloop single and like the triangle of death.
Starting point is 00:51:26 We're taking them down. I'm also, look, I just looked at it up. I'm three for seven against the guy. He's beating me one time. So on base percentage of five hunch. Sorry. You know, whatever. I battled.
Starting point is 00:51:41 As a righty against that type of pitcher. Can I get that on the sound? Thank you, BPD. Can I get that on the soundboard, BPD? I battled. I did. I battled. That's all we ask, man.
Starting point is 00:51:55 Okay. Jimmy's going for it now. Are you looking for the bloop? Yeah, because I'm trying to have Treves back here. I just don't. There's probably a bloop, dude. I'm not like, Treve. But there's two kinds of bloop.
Starting point is 00:52:07 It could have been a flare, and I think the writer's jobbing you. So I have your back here. I'm finding it. I have it pulled up. Sorry that the people can't watch it. And neither can wait because it's from, there's no video footage. I don't think that game was ever televised. This says Trevor Plouf singles and I pop up to right fielder, Gerardo Parra,
Starting point is 00:52:25 deflected by second baseman Jonathan Scope. Thank you, Scopee. That doesn't bode well for this bloop, though. Wait, dude, I'm okay with it being a blue. For me, that's a hot shot. Yeah. I interpret that as hot shot to second. I've got that description from the article I read before.
Starting point is 00:52:44 This is by Jeff Seidel. Okay. Maybe a new friend, maybe a new anime. O'Day started the inning by walking Miguel Sano, who moved to second when Trevor Plouf blooped a ball just inside the right field line. Oriel's second baseman Jonathan Scope and right fielder Gerardo Parra. Both race to the ball but couldn't make the play. Scope says it nipped his glove, which put the twins in a good spot.
Starting point is 00:53:05 I remember it. I remember it. It was an absolute blooper. Texas leaguer fisted down the right field line 100%. Tarp shot. Guess what? Guess, hey, Jeff, that's what you do against the sidearmers. You stay inside the ball.
Starting point is 00:53:20 And I mean, he's just describing it. Gerardo Parr is a world-class defender. So, I mean, the fact he couldn't get there. That's a hit, Dave. Scoop couldn't scoop it. Hands inside, baby. All right, these two moves by the Mets, the match trade. The loop signing, going with a cheaper reliever and then clearing match numbers.
Starting point is 00:53:39 You know, if they wanted to sign Wilson or another big reliever, they could have spent more money. A lot of people are interpreting this That they are saving up to get Bauer BPD read something that's blown his mind He had to cover Uh-oh So O'Day had a quote after the game Oh O'Day had a quote about it
Starting point is 00:53:57 Oh no, okay Lead off walk is never good O'Day said So that's not good Then Trevor Plouf hits a ball He didn't hit it hard Could have been caught Just in a tough spot and that happens Then I can't hit Tori Hunter to load the bases
Starting point is 00:54:10 Okay I'm okay with that Okay yeah It's fine. I thought that was going to... I thought it was going to take a South turn. They didn't smoke any balls, but that's baseball, and it happens, made some good pitches, but it didn't turn out.
Starting point is 00:54:22 So it's a quote, you wouldn't like hearing post game. Good pitch is better swings. Yeah. So I think Bauer and the Mets is a real deal. I do subscribe to that. I think the Dodgers, I think it's like, I think it's like Mets on a three-year huge deal or Dodgers on a one or two-year huge deal. The Angels are out.
Starting point is 00:54:42 I was reminded by Rosen's. on the baseball reporters how much he hates Mickey Calloway. And if he does go to the Angels, I think they'd have to fire Mickey Calloway. So that was like a bomb in my brain. I was like, I wish someone told me that before we all made our predictions on the Winter Meetings live show. Because honestly, if someone reminded me Mickey Callow as a pitching coach, I would have said, oh, no way.
Starting point is 00:55:02 But the Mets are making moves. Both Coins followed him on Twitter. So that's something. I've kind of been on this from the. start Trev started getting a taste now you're here interested to see I still now I'm starting to talk myself into the Dodgers a little bit because I just think that would be dropping it on the table and saying Padres like real nice offseason guys real nice here's the Cy Young winner um but dude I think for the Mets I was on Bauer McCann so I'll I'll stick with it I think and I mean that would
Starting point is 00:55:38 just be full tilt excitement for the Mets that's a team you don't want to play And, I mean, he announced that, you know, he wants his platform to get launched. And, I mean, New York ain't a bad place to do it. So we'll see. We'll see. Do we think it's going to, like, sneak up to spring training? Do we think it's about to crack soon? No.
Starting point is 00:56:03 No, no, man. He's trying to announce it his own way, so. You know what, though? How do you say this without being a hater? She's embrace the hate. She embraces it. No, because I am a fan of momentum and new media. Very nice to us.
Starting point is 00:56:22 And like we've done stuff with Bauer. Bauer's done stuff with us. And I appreciate all of that. It's the decision by LeBron. That's the best basketball player debatably ever. I'm not getting into that debate, but it is debated often if he's the best ever, right? If anyone in basketball could make a show,
Starting point is 00:56:42 about denouncing where they're going to go, it would be LeBron. He did it and he gets ridiculed to this day for doing it in that manner. And if there was anyone that could, it would be LeBron. So I'm a little like, yeah, tread a little lightly on this Bauer. Like, don't throw yourself a party
Starting point is 00:57:00 with an announcement video. I like it, but I'm also weary of it because I think, look how people still bash the decision and are like 10 years out. Let's do the spin zone. I think we have a YouTube channel now. What if this was us, if we were in Bauer's camp, what would our advice be to him?
Starting point is 00:57:21 Like a social media. Like don't, don't be like a week out, five days out, four days out, we're three days out, we're two days out, ten hours, eight hours, which I think they may do because they kind of play into all that gimmicky stuff. I would just drop a tweet. You know who had the best retirement post of all time? Marshawn Lynch when he just tweeted out a picture of his cleats. hanging on telephone wires. It's the best retirement announcement I've seen by a player. The MJ, I'm back.
Starting point is 00:57:47 But then he came back. Yeah, but still. That's still played. And that's Marcia. He can do anything. Yeah, no, I love it.
Starting point is 00:57:53 You can do whatever he wants. I'm with you. I think it's just the best video would be like Trevor Bauer and he just like puts on the hat and a thumbs up. Yeah. I'd watch that. I don't know, man. I have no problem with him doing whatever he wants with his own media.
Starting point is 00:58:09 I agree. I'm just saying. I mean, but he kind of embraces. races the hate already. Yeah. Haven't you heard a song? Back then, you thought I wasn't cool.
Starting point is 00:58:18 Now all the girls drool. It's not that, but it's just as good as that. Back then was a diamond in the rough growing up invisible. Life was kind of tough. But now I shine in all I do. There might be people that don't know that this is a real song. So we'll just play it. We play it for the outro today.
Starting point is 00:58:41 That's all we really got. Tanaka goes back to Japan on a really. cheap deal. A one year deal, so maybe he tries to come back. I love the whole story about that. Why? He had multiple, he had other offers for more money. He told the Yankees he wanted
Starting point is 00:58:56 X amount of money. He told other teams he wanted more money than that. And then he's like, you know what? I'm going to go home and pitch for this team and kind of go full circle. Like, it's a cool story. Man, he came over and did it at the highest level. Was successful at the highest level. And then he just went back home. man. It's like you don't see a ton of success stories like that. Guys coming over. So I'm happy for him.
Starting point is 00:59:19 Respected his contract. Didn't opt out. Didn't leverage the Yankees. opted in after 2017 for the last two years. He had a lot of money, right? A lot of money. As a fan, he was as easy to root for, I think, as possible. I'm talking about like personality and off the field and on the field. Like light switch guy on the mound, aggressive, screaming, yelling, perfectionist, hitting himself in the head with missing spots. Every fly ball, he'd swear at himself just because they put the ball in the air.
Starting point is 00:59:48 And he did not want that. Even if it was a lazy pop up to left field, you'd see him just cursing himself out in the mound. Just really easy to root for. And then as silly as hell in the dugout with his buddies. His career's still going. I mean, he's one of the top pitchers. So he might come back next year. This might be a one-year deal.
Starting point is 01:00:04 Get away from Corona and COVID. Come back when things sort it and see if anyone's going to give him real money. Again, because he just signed a one-year deal with the recutin Eagles. I don't hate it. I love Tanaka. Would be a fun storyline. Big fan of Tanaka. Tank.
Starting point is 01:00:19 Yeah. Hot. I was going to say something else about him, but I forgot. Okay. Good fielder. Are we really not the talk about the Hall of Fame? We have to do that. No.
Starting point is 01:00:28 No. No. I was just going to say it at the end. No one got into the Hall of Fame. And here's Trevor Bauer. And then the Mets promoted Zach Scott to acting GM. Good. Alderson's doing everything.
Starting point is 01:00:40 Wilson Ramos, one year, two million to the Tigers. squeeze it, kid. Another catcher off the board. He's so thick. The buffalo. He's so thick. I saw him when he was like 16 years old, absolutely crushing balls in Fort Myers.
Starting point is 01:00:54 And he's... Should have made a lot more money. Talk about timing, dude. Worst timing ever. Like a week left in the season, into his platform year, he was having a great year and he hurt himself? There are...
Starting point is 01:01:07 Fangraphs, who have constantly been checking and using their estimates. They thought he was going to get the second most money at catcher, or third, after McHan. This year? Yeah, after Real Moodo and McCann. Yeah. Right. I mean, seriously, when he was a young guy,
Starting point is 01:01:27 he moved and everything, he had everything, the arm, the power, everything going for him. And he, I mean, he put up good numbers. I got to look it up right now, but I know he did. Thick. Got a doubt, maybe, Day? Did you have some? I mean, that might be the third most of catchers.
Starting point is 01:01:43 Anyone beaten that yet? Two mil? Suzuki get that? Let's see. You got one and a half, I think. Romine got one and a half. I mean, they expected him to get like two for ten. But let me see.
Starting point is 01:01:58 I'd have gotten the rankings right. Rankings. No, yeah, at the end of 2016, Wilson, All-Star, he had MVP votes. He won the Silver Slugger and then had that injury at the end of the season. They took that small deal with the raise. Castro got seven mil. They projected Wilson Ramos to get two for 20. He got one for two.
Starting point is 01:02:22 That's bad. And Zanino got one for three. So he's the fifth. So hey, go tiger up. Don't sleep on the tigers. Never do it. Ray, my guy. Trev, last words before we hit it to Bauer?
Starting point is 01:02:38 Send it to Bauer. females want to drool, swooning over me, now they deem that I'm worthy, but these bees are so confused they're crossing eyes and dot and tees. Call it mean that I've seen laughing because they're blotting tears, no more applauding, because I'm plotting you're a bed on those revered. Maybe this is corny, but you should peel your ears and be ready to adhere to the next words you're going to hear. Yes, my name is Trevor. We dig her up together, had no time for me back so the bridge had broke and severed and I'll never cross again. Say you've changed, but you would never, ever, ever, ever in a million years be clever enough to leverage me back. The fact is that I hate this,
Starting point is 01:03:34 But I put up was a diamond in the rough Now I'm just a diamond, yeah, I'm ruff holding your feathers Better duck and sultan flying And reverse this time And I got no sympathy for you so just quit your crying Back then was a diamond in the rough Baby growing up invisible my life is sure tough I'm gold now because I shine in a life
Starting point is 01:03:52 But back then was a bye Thanks for hanging out with us

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