Talkin' Baseball (MLB Podcast) - 296 | Houston Astros Sign Jake Odorizzi

Episode Date: March 9, 2021

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Hello and welcome to talking baseball. Jake Oter Rizzy signs with the Astros. Some other teams are doing fun stuff. We got things that discuss. Let's do it. Hello and welcome to Talkin Baseball presented by Draft Kings. My name is Jimmy. Sitting next to me is Jake.

We got Trevor out in CA. And behind the desk, we have producer Bug Bug Bug Dude. We got the Jake Oter Rizzy signing today. We've got some Angels camp. We each have something we want to bring to the table and discuss Trev's topic. Should be turning some heads. Maybe. Not really.

But maybe. Depends how easily your head turns. Before I throw it to you, Jake, and ask how you're doing, I got to mention some people. Jeremy Edelman. Jordan Young. Jacob Lopez. Chris Tapia. Renee Carrillo.

Renzoan Sanchez. Brandon Weston. Anthony. Anthony, Murphy, Trenton, Bocert, Frank Ippolito. I like that one. Frank Ippolito. I have it palitos in my family. Hell yeah.

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because every new patron gets a one-of-a-kind authenticated photo of Jake and I that we sign in a weird pose. So, what's that? The Major League. The Major League patrons get this. We've been taking so...

We have a fashion shoot once a day in the office. We're models now, professional models. It sounds like it's going to progress into something more, which I think... I think I'm here for, so. That's our version of NFTs, except they're not make-believe. They actually exist. You can physically hold them.

They're one of one. Okay. Jake, how are you doing? Uncle Jake. Uncle Jake, my sister had a baby this morning, a baby boy. Oh, wow. Officially Uncle Jake after being the godfather to Trev's two kids. So I'm feeling good about it.

But yeah. So now it's time to have one myself. I'm good I'm good We might have to add some Some bonus Trev To the To the Patreon

Maybe we'll have him send out some nugs or something We'll work on that Well maybe when he's in the office He'll be part of the one-offs Maybe we can make like rubber replicas Of his Gonads I'm doing all right

Big Baby David James Trevor You know we're coming Jim I mentioned this on talking Yanks yesterday We're coming up close to the part of spring training where you want it to end. You know, we're getting guys going their second time through the rotation. Trev. I'm not there yet.

Slow down a little bit, man. I want real baseball. I want 162. And I was also dreaming of it's going to be hilarious this year when it's the end of July. And we're like, oh, this is when last season started. And we'll already be through basically two of those seasons. So all over the baseball emotional special. spectrum, really worried about my white socks in their one in five start. So I'm in panic mode,

Trev. It's so show of you to like want spring training to be over. So I am. So show. My swing feels good. I feel you on that. I feel you on that. You're, you're ready to go. You like the bright lights. You want the cameras turned on. I get it, man. But hey, I'm doing great on records. The Diamondbacks are one in one. We took our first L this weekend. Played a team a little bit older than us. Coach definitely more

experienced than me. He had like the full thing with like a batting helmet. You got outcoached? No, not outcoached on the field. I got outcoached off the field. Like he had like the batting helmet holder, the bat holder, like they were very organized. That is not who

we just show up and play. Yeah. You don't want to be that team. and where? Well, I guess what I did. I went on Amazon and ordered all of that stuff. So now I'm also going to be the organized coach. So I feel good. Kid that shows up with like the brand new wheelie bag and the brand new bat and the brand new

glove and the brand new everything. It's like the last kid that you want to talk to. The one thing is it's not that. It's trying to get five and six year olds to find their own gear and then like get up to hit. It's a disaster. So like I get why this. guy does it. You put it in a place. They know where it is.

Back in my day, 1972, one bat. Whole team shared. You shared? Trust me. I feel the same way, man, but it's Corona season, too. Okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's tough. Teddy's a big Pueig liquor of the bat, right, before he swings? Licks the bat, like Pueg?

I was trying to, like, think of, like, a comparison for him. He's like a Jeff Kent. Oh. Oh, okay. Hardcore. Swings hard. swing hard. That's all you need. Godfather Jake.

That's the other comparison for him. Wow. My boy Jake. Ooh. Boy, Jake. Speaking of Trev's boy, Jake, the big news, the final big signing. Who else is out there? Shane Green?

Puee. Shane Green. Puee. Shane Green. Yeah. Puee didn't play last year, so I think. Yeah. But that's the last one. Trev, your boy goes to the Astros.

I don't know what you can share behind the scenes about any other teams that were involved or were not involved or decision making, the breakdown of the contract. What do you got, Trev? I don't know what I can share. I think I'm just going to share and see what happens. Smart. Does that sound all right?

Sure. I mean, obviously there were other teams involved. Some of them are obvious ones. The Angels were involved. The Blue Jays were involved. So there were teams out there. out there and ultimately I feel like Jake took the deal that the incentives are there as you saw as I put out in the tweet so I think he's saying man if I'm healthy like this is the best deal for me monetarily and and I told him this and he agreed like this is the best chance to win between the angels whoever else and Houston is the place to be right now like this this year in particular we'll see how they figured things out in the years coming going forward but he's really happy

I tried to be on this thing you guys know I was on it I said Jay you got me have this scoop he's like I got you I got you so every couple of days I was asking him what's going on what's going on what's going on and finally on Saturday he shot me to text I'm going to be an astro and I was

coaching so I missed it but even when I went back and looked at it like when he sent me that text like literally I think it was like a minute later or whatever like passing with was already out with the news. So even if I got the text and like tried to like flub around and send a

tweet, I would have been second. So I don't, the state of all that is crazy to me, but I'm happy for Jake. He got, he waited it out. He did not come with his hat out like Kevin Mather said. And he got a good deal. I love, I love you saying the word flub. I don't know how else to describe that. Did you, Treve, you know, this is more fan service type stuff. And, Houston, blah, blah, blah. We know. I think they're getting a couple boo-birds at spring training. Did you talk to Odo about any of that stuff? I mean, with a big contract like this, it's always going to come down to dollars and cents if we're being honest. But did you guys have that talk at all? We didn't. And I don't think he cares about that. Number one, he's not a part of it.

And number two, it didn't seem to affect it. I mean, I guess there was no fans in the stand last year. But, I mean, this is a damn good team. I don't think. a boo is going to make them play worse, in my opinion. Maybe it will. He's going to be part of Dusty's plan now, which is very exciting. Also, we have recorded the Houston

TPP, but it hasn't been released yet. We'll need to add a little addendum. So we'll add a little addendum to that, because the reason they went out and made this final offer for Odo, and I really wonder how it would have played out for him had some injuries not happened. Framberg goes out with a fractured left ring finger, which

that Hayman reported he might be out for the season. Forrest Whitley, the prospect who's supposed to be budding, he's been budding for a couple seasons now. He goes out, is he Tommy John? Is it UCL? Tommy John was recommended. I'm assuming he's getting some more recommendations. That was a couple days ago.

So, yeah, I mean. So their depth took a big hit, and that's why they probably took the offer they had or went back to Jake and said, you know what? We need to get this done. What do you need? And, yeah, I don't know, I don't know how involved they were before Framber went down.

We didn't hear a lot of them, right? Yeah. You didn't hear them before Framber went down. Not really. So I don't know if that means there was never an offer or they weren't really going back and forth too seriously. But as Framber went down, I think is when those talks started to heat up. I mean, and that's crazy. And Odo had some offers on the table that he could have taken had waiting help.

him a lot. So it's a very smart move. A lot of people are like just sign you got offers and then he waited and something happened and he got the best offer he got and he took it. So that's cool. And people referenced a couple pitchers from yesteryear when Odo was clearly in that strategy, the clear best pitcher left at the start of spring training. You're going to have some injuries. I think Cobb did the same thing. Ended up getting a nice little payday. So glad Odo's going somewhere that he's feeling better about. And yeah, I mean the Framber thing, You know, we kind of swept it under the rug pretty quickly, but is that the biggest injury so far easily?

Like I'm trying to think. If he's out for the full season, yeah, that was their number two that has nasty stuff and they were depending on. I don't think anyone else has lost a front of the rotation starter yet, right? Valdez his four playoffs starts, 1-8-E-R-A striking out 29% of opponents. That was a really weird way to phrase that, this article. but we love Framber. We're a big Framber pot.

And yeah, we'll see. I wonder, because we were all freaked out because it was broken ring finger and then Haman tweeted probably out for the season, but it looks like he's getting some opinions. I can't speak very well on that injury. Just tape it up. Treb, Trev, do you hear static every now and then? I do not.

Can you do an unplug, re-plug on your mic? Plug, re-plug. Yeah, I'm going to come back here to you. I feel like I'm a little fuzzy. All right. See you later, Trev. Goodbye, Trevor Plu. Thank you. That was reporter Trevor.

Reproved. Helping us out with the Oterizzi contract. Thank you very much. Nice, DVD. You had that just wait in there? Ready to go. Yeah, that's my new cover Trev. If he leaves,

otherwise get a weird black spot. For those just listening, it's a picture of Nelson Cruz wearing Miguel Seno's pants. That might just be a go-to going forward. That's what he'd be. BPD just said, whenever someone ditches, we get that picture. Yeah, man, and I think the Forrest Whitley side of this, and I'll say this while Trev's off there, so I can take some jabs.

We have our Houston TPP ready to go. It's going to be in a little while. They're up there. Not going to give that away. But me and Trevor did a little Jake Trevor sush where I was like, you know, Forrest Whitley, the shine's kind of wearing off a little bit. You know, he's not the prospect he once was. And Trev kind of gave the look like, everything I've heard about this kid is he's gross.

It's almost glass-nowish, I think. He's six, seven, he pumps a Hyundai. The reason prospects lose shine, it's either performance or injury-based. And Forrest Whitley now, I mean, this is year four of him being a big prospect. Yeah, someone in the chat said it. He's always going to have a great next season. But, I mean, for it to be an injury like this, that sucks if it's a major setback. It's great.

I mean, there's a world where, I mean, we like, you know, we like, like Javier, we like a couple of these other young arms for Houston, but there was a world where going into playoff season they were supposed to be Grinky, Framber. Forrest would have had to show a lot. Talent-wise, he could have been in this discussion, but no, I mean that a couple, Houston probably with the biggest woe in their season's outlook from a spring training standpoint. Is that their first big signing since the whole school? scandal? Like the first big outsider name that's come to the team? They re-signed Brantley. But he was re-signed. Yeah, had that, but I think it's the first

guy to come into that. I think so, yeah. So that's dusty. I think technically Maldonado. He had been there already, but he wasn't there most recently. I don't think he's ever going to be considered a big signing. The big signing from yesterday year was Dustin Garneau. He was one of the first free agents that went. So yeah, no, I mean, this is a Houston, I think, reasserting their dominance in the West a little bit. Yeah. Jake actually.

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You want to talk about the Astros. Jimmy. Tell us what's on your mind. Jimmy, you and BBD have seen this boiling over the past couple days in the office. Oda Rizzy signed. We've been doing our TPPs and going through the teams, and it's been fun to see, you know, you really get a better idea of, you know, Team A versus Team B and how they stack up. Man, we, nobody likes the Astros. Ah, they cheated. I get it. it, man. I like the Yankees. Swear? And they played against Houston in 2017, and those guys were cheating.

Jim, I'm on the Houston bandwagon, man. I really am. I think you stated ever so eloquently in the TPP. We're giving a lot of way. Yeah, don't step too much on our TPP. Well, this is a fact that a lot of baseball fans probably know, but you just hear it and it opens your eyes. Four straight ALCSs. four straight ALCSs for the Houston Astros. That's wild, man. In a sport that is just tough to be that consistent and get back there. They have done it.

And, man, I get it. The cheating stuff stunk. They were using some cameras. There's a lot of funny business. There's a lot of guys who still rake on that team. They get Jordan Alvarez back. And I just think, man, when you put these AL teams on paper, I think the Yanks are the Vegas favorite and still the favorite.

I mean, talent throughout that roster. They've got a lot to figure out through this year, especially with the Zach Britain news coming out today. We'll see how significant that is. But, man, I think the funny thing in my head was everyone's talking about the White Sox. They added Lance Lynn, they added Liam Hendricks. That lineup is young and still blooming. You know, some people getting hot to trot on the Blue Jays.

That pitching still leaves you wanting a lot. I think right now Houston's my two in the AL, and I think people would probably think that's a little hot takey, but man, Grinky, now that they added Oda Rizzy, if you're going to give me a chance on Framber coming back or whatever else they figure out with those young pitchers, I'm just, I'm on the Houston boat. I don't know if I'm getting blinded by Jakes. Isn't that a band? Was that your band back in high school? Less than Jake. Less than Jake. Sky Revolution. One of the only bands to survive.

You know I love doing fan service, so I figured, you know, talk about the Houston Astros. But no, I think they're in my head. They're the second best team in the AAL and everyone's just giving them the shrug treatment right now. Now, I hear a lot of people coming at you for that. Like if you were just to put that quote out there, I hear a lot of White Sox fans, Ray's fans, A's fans, twins fans coming at you. Yeah. And I think the thing that you and I believe in that some,

A lot of people might just think regular season, right? But I am a firm believer on being battle tested. When the Red Sox won the World Series, they were in two ALDSs before that, where they went like five games, six games. Like they had 10 games under their battle of postseason ball. When the nationals won the World Series, I believe they didn't make it the year before,

but the two years before that they were in the ALDS, they went like five games, five games. Dodgers, obviously, very battle tested. I think the Astros made one postseason before they won in 2017, so maybe they're like a good example. When the Cubs won, they lost the year before in the NLCS. When the Royals won, they lost the year before in the World Series. So I am a like, you're hard pressed to get me to bet on a team that hasn't won or gone deep into a playoff series in the last like three years of their baseball life or that core set of players. So the Astros are so battle-tested that they don't even flinch.

They had a losing record last year. They didn't even flinch when they got to the postseason. Those guys don't care. That's the regular season for them. That's what it's come down to. Like the World Series is the postseason, the Wild Card, the Divisional Series. That's all just regular season. And I mean, that's what the Yankees and Dinosaurs used to say.

This is a warm-up season starts in October. And I truly think that's the mindset of the core of the Astros. And that's a scary thing where I think, yeah, I think I would look at them is like, I don't want to play them in the first round because of that reason. Trev, what do you got in all of this as the only guy to play? Wow. Yet. I just want to make sure you guys can hear me because this picture I'm putting out there is brutal right now.

Is the audio okay? You're good enough. You're good enough. You're a little chop. I mean, you're going to be upset because you're not crispy. You're not crispy. I'm so upset right now. I am so upset.

Is Teddy just sick and streaming blippy using all the internet? I don't, I don't know. I'm plugged in. I told you guys. that but anyways we've been on the astros we thought you know regular season came around last year we said okay they're they're feeling some of the ramifications of it a lot of them had down years and then yes in the playoffs it just came and turned it on and we we saw that and i think all of us collectively you're like damn like if they can do this they're they're a legit team i think we all kind of came to that

conclusion now here we are sitting in 2021 there will be fans in the stands there will be booze is that can affect them. In my opinion, no. When we started doing the TPPs and we started looking at these lineups, I think all of us again, we're like, damn, this team is really good. And we forgot, Jordan Alvarez, not there. That's a huge piece for them. Like, that guy is real deal when he's right.

So bring him back, you bring Oteresey in, and like you're saying, Jim, I agree with you. Like, the whole battle-tested thing means something. Now, they got to get there. You know, they got to get to the playoffs. But once they're in the playoffs. I don't think they treat the regular season as like the regular season.

I know they've been in the ALCS four times in a row, but they still have to get there. And there's some really good teams in the AL. There's not expanded playoffs this year. They wouldn't have been in the playoffs last year if there wasn't expanded playoffs. So we have to remember that. So yes, they still have to play and treat the regular season like

this is, you know, whatever, whatever. But once they get into the playoffs, I agree with you. I don't think there's any teams they want to play them. Well, and that's kind of part of my equation here, too, is that, you know, you know, in the East, the Yankees are the favorites. The Rays and Jays are going to be pesky this year. But the Yanks are pretty big, big favorites to take the East.

In the Central, I mean, the Twins and White Sox could be a toss-up. And I guess that's where I take a step back on the White Sox. Like, these Chicago White Sox, are we doing the one-game playoff this year currently? Like, I thought about that recently. Like, what's the playoffs, how many teams are in and what's the structure? And, like, do we know? I think it's currently the one-game playoff. We'll see if it gets changed before them.

Yeah, it's the same as it was going back to 2019. Like, I've got the Twins and White Sox as a toss-up, which means as a corn toss, and you could see the White Sox in a one-game playoff. Like this new team, Tony Larusa, we'll see what it looks like. No, they could win the Central. I think they could even distance from the Twins if a lot of things goes right. But, I mean, if you're this new team with all these expectations and you end up in one game and it's against the race or it's against Oakland,

and, you know, Oakland beat them in their five-game set last year. So I don't know. I think Houston has a pretty good lane at their division. Like Oakland kind of took a baby step back as well. Houston lost Springer. Sure. And the Angels, who knows what they're doing? I think you might know something, Jim.

But I don't know. I just, I think the Houston train because of everything around them, nobody's obviously going to be on board. But I'd playoff started tomorrow. I'd much rather face Minnesota, the White Sox, the Rays, or the Jays, than the Houston Astros.

Fair. I think your point's valid. I mean, you know, depends on the starting pitcher, of course. Right. Like if Gialito's just on, you're not going to face him. If Glass Now is going crazy. A couple John Boy Media guys are. Yeah, those guys are on the same podcast.

How about that? I did not even mean to do that. Dude, Glass Now's episode was really good on the Chris Resortation yesterday. All three have been great. brought was hilarious. Glass now for a 6-8 pretty boy. His personality does not match his appearance. Like like him now. Yeah. He was like very down to earth, thoughtful and cool.

Cole Tucker likes him. We should have known. I know. That was a big thing for me. And then I found out he went to high school in Santa Clarita, kind of where I grew up. And I know the people out there. They're humble people. It's true. You grew up out in the Santa Cruz Valley, you know, it's, it's not great, so it humbles you a little bit. People's champs, Trevor. I want to talk about the Astros or the Angels.

That's what I'm bringing. So we're staying in the West Coast. We're staying in the AOS. The Angels have been turning the most heads at camp right now. Mostly on the offensive side of the ball. I don't know what the pitchers have been doing, so I don't know if there haven't been. But, I mean, you got a couple things here. Iglesias is just making play after play first.

I don't know if you guys have seen the highlights. and we're a live show so we can't put him here, but go look at him. Glazi's made some plays at short, Trev. One, he comes forward on the ball, comes in on the ball, rushes, kind of like throws it while like falling slash diving forward. Really good play. But the second play is so cool. It's a ball of the left field.

I don't know who the left field are. Is it Upton? Upton? Yes. And you can pause it when you watch it. Pause it and see the moment he looks at Upton. You can see his head down. Eglacius, and it's a high ball, shallow left.

He looks at Upton, and he sees that Upton has his hands out and has no idea where the ball is. So then he goes into go mode. Like, okay, time for me to catch this ball. He didn't have it. It's like he tracked it the whole way. And usually, you know, maybe the shorts have tracked it the whole way, and Upton never calls him off. So he stays with it.

No, like he didn't have it. He found it last second, swiped it underneath, and then flips it to Upton. and Upton, you can see him for one second be like, why you've flipping me this ball? And he's like, oh, and doubles up the dude on second base. One of the cooler double plays, and defensive highlights, I don't, you know, obviously it's much cooler if it matters at a big moment in a World Series game. But still, like, just a defensive highlight is a defensive highlight no matter what. Like, that's just a skilled play.

Is that your feel? You're not, you're relatively, offensive highlights and defensive highlights. He's on the exact opposite. No. Nope. Nope. You got to run. You somehow heard my words verse.

I was saying defensive highlights are always cool. You know, like a home run in a 9-0-0-0 game. Who cares? But a home run, that's a walk-off for the World Series. Obviously, that's cool. Defensive highlights play, I don't care if this was spring training, or if they were doing, if they were doing like BP drills and he made this play.

Like, that's a cool, skillful play. So, Glacisius is turning heads. You got anything on those plays, Trev? I mean, just as a player, Like, you ever made one of those and no one saw it and then he cried? The one he came charging in and threw basically underhand. Like, he's done that a couple of times before. It's just like he has these incredible, like, wrists, you know, and he's able to manipulate them.

And, I mean, that was, that's, so get down on that angle is something that only a few guys can do. And then, and then the other one, he was just showing off. Like, I could tell he was just kind of like having fun with a spring training game. He said, I'm going to go get this one. It looked like Upton thought he juggled the ball and was like, oh, I got to catch this so he's out. And then I think it, he processed it. It was like, oh, I got to throw it to second base now.

But Iglesias defensively, yeah, he's one of those guys that just sees things a little bit differently and is ahead of the curve. And he's always been that way, too. I mean, it was never a time where that guy didn't shine defensively. Even going back to a race to play against him in the minor leagues, he was he was Jake built different yeah he we saw him at spring training

with the O's last year and you say like he does these wrist things his warm-up drew him if I could stand up and show people okay here we go he would the grounder would come usually you catch it like this he was doing every catch at the last second he'd turn his hand fully

and catch the simple grounder backhand like really quick at the very last second that's cool I think we have a video somewhere because I was like holy shit get that. That's cool. Just for funzies. That's how talented he is. Man, and those two guys you mentioned are two of the big names to circle this year for the Angels because Justin Upton, his last full season was 2018, which were a little separated from

Hurt in 2019, came back to 42 games last year, and he was math. His last full year, he had an 800 OPS. He's got a career 820 OPS. He's 33 now. So it's what does he have in the tank. I know he's getting paid, and he's probably not going to live up to the money he's getting paid. But if you can add an 800 OPS guy to this lineup, and then with Iglesias, man, he was de-hing for the Orioles last year because he was hitting so well, but his hamstrings were nicked up. So I don't expect Jose Iglesias to repeat his 373 batting average and a 956 OPS. He's a guy with career 700 flat OPS. But, hey, if those eyes to hands have figured it out, a little veteran savviness at the

dish, and he can pick it like Jose Iglesias has always been able to pick it, then, hey, Halo Up, up, baby. Yeah, and I got more for you on the Aux. Watch out, Oakland. Upton hit a bomb. Upton has a 500 batting average with three home runs. So he's having himself a hell of a start to spring. The big story that we're burying here is Shohei, a top.

Otani. He's five for ten. He hit a home run, Trev, that cleared the batter's eye, like an absolute bomb of a home run. And he's also doing it on the mound. We're getting a glimpse at the greatness and the dualness of Otani. He's pitched. How many innings has he pitched? He started a game, and his Velo was good. Let me see. He had five strikeouts in one point two innings. That's all the outs. Yeah, every out was a strikeout. He did give up one hit, one earned run, and two walks. So it wasn't five up, five down.

But hey, I mean, if you're an Angels fan, get excited. Everyone's hitting two. I mean, Juan Lagaris is like, he's playing for the fourth outfielder spot. I think he might get it at this point. With Fowler and Upton needing days off, and Ligaris can play center field. And he's having a really good start to spring. He's six for nine. Sure.

So. Stay hot. Some fun and Angels game. Winter ball. What's that? I always found that the guys that played winter ball, they come in and they're just so ready to rake in the guys who didn't play winter ball. Like, I can't see the ball right now.

I need some time. So it's kind of funny to go. I bet we could go look and put all the people who played winter ball in a category and then all the people that didn't play winter ball. And I bet you'd see a drastic difference in statistics, like at least the first week or so of games. Do you want research your max to do that for you? On it.

I would. That would. That'd be fun. That'd be fun. Trev, I've got good news. A, you're looking crispier over there. So excited for that. I'm back.

He's back. B, he's back. B. How about this, Jim? I need the Angels to be fun this year. Well, that's the cool news, right? They're fun. Because right now we've got the Dodgers and the Padres. And then in the West Coast and the A.L.

You know, you're going to have Houston playing some late-night games. You'll have Oakland. If you give me the Angels, that late-night slate, that 10 p.m. with Trev and Jake Slade Slate Slade. late, that John boy, you know, doing silly, silly stuff on the Twitter machine. Those background games will be fun. You know what I've been mad at Treve about and I tweeted out of once? Here we go.

Let's beef. Trev is in West Coast time. Yeah. So he reads my 10 p.m. tweets at 7 o'clock. Yeah. It's such nonsense. If I tweet something at midnight East Coast time, that means I'm highest hell. Yeah.

And I'm being silly. and I have all these people on the West Coast reading them in like dinner mindset. They're like, what the hell is this? When you're tweeting at that hour, it's like you but different almost. Yeah. Like, come on. If I want to tweet about how slow Colombo is, like be in my same mindset. Don't be coming at me with 7 p.m. thoughts.

It's a totally different person. It's a West Coast advantage. I can news dump if I want. I can news dump. I put it out at 9 o'clock my time, still acceptable. And it's midnight over yonder. So. Yeah.

It's the one, the one It's almost like they need a delay Twitter needs a delay feature. I'm treating this at midnight. Don't put it to my, if your location says West Coast, you don't get it until midnight.

Otherwise, you're not the same headspace as me. Just put a disclaimer out. Just put a disclaimer on those 10 p.m. Jim tweets from now on. Say if you're on the West Coast time, adjust your mindset. Imagine if I have any followers in Hawaii,

screw you guys. Yeah. Sitting at the beach and like two people. I'm doing late-night tweets? I'm not huge on the main island, but everywhere else. Big. Juice. Dude, I would, I don't need to go to Hawaii and watch some football games.

Wake up at 4 in the morning and watch some football games. I'm in for that. No, that sucks. I'm good. I'm in for that. Kind of can do that with, you can do that. Just get into the Premier League. It's like 5 a game for you.

The guy I work out in the morning, he always has them on in the garage. It's badass. Flex. His footy. All right. That's all I wanted to talk about on the Angels. They're making some fun highlights and some fun at-bats for Angels fans. But the Otani is the biggest thing.

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Gambling problem. Call 1-800 gambler or in Indiana. 1-800-9 with it. Trev, what would you like to discuss? I'm kind of like hesitant to bring all this up because I know I'm going to get painted as like the old guy. Boomer Treff. So I'd rather, instead of,

me just like coming out and saying something i want to have a discussion let's in the chat i want you guys to be involved in this as well i want to talk about on field celebrations the state of on field celebrations because i don't know if you guys have been on your twitter feeds my twitter feed is full up of college baseball celebrations of young high school kids flipping bats and going nuts. Pitcher striking a guy out and staring into the other dugout. And there's one in particular that kind of sparked this in my head. It's, it's Virginia Tech maybe. And they hit a home run and they all come out on the field. And they have this like sledgehammer and the guy gets it and he hammers it down and they all like go down together. You know, it kind of looks cool. But like they do

it every home run. So the sledgehammer? I think that's Houston. Well, they had one when I made the breakdown of them. Somebody's got it. It's like Thor's hammer. All the college teams have something now. Something.

So I guess I'll give my take. I'm curious to hear everyone else. I just, I don't like the planned stuff. Like I don't like the planned stuff. I think it takes away from like, you don't want to take away people's, um, like emotion you don't want to take emotion out of the game but plan stuff is an emotion like i get it these guys are fired up they're all like 19 year olds like with a ton of hormones going on in them so like it is a little bit different for college ball uh but i just i don't know how i feel

about too much celebrating i feel like you got to earn it a little bit or like at least like make it natural i think it's getting too planned like okay another guy i'm going to go off from a little here and I'm going to sound like the old guy. It's the guy who's pitching for Ole Miss and he's doing the Max Scher thing. He's basically like telling the hitter he's going to fucking kill him or something. I don't know what he's saying out there.

He's saying something. He might be firing himself up and not saying anything about the hitter, but it looks like it's fake to me. Like it looks like he's like, I'm going to go out there and I saw Max Scherger do it. So I'm going to do it and it's going to get on pitching ninja. Like I think people are

self-aware, I guess is my point. I don't really like it. Like the authentic stuff and the celebrations and we don't need to take emotion out. But like the plan stuff, I'm not into it. But I feel like a lot of people are. So I'm in this twilight zone, dude.

I don't know what to do. I'm in the middle. I'm in the middle for you. Like the college kids, a lot of these kids are playing college baseball. This is their show. And this is, they know that this is where the road ends and they have other aspirations, but this is their college career and have fun. You're your young kid, like, go all out.

So, I mean, I don't care what they do at all. Like, but do I like it? No. Like, am I like, oh, that was cool? No. But I don't care. I don't care about it. Like, um, I thought the, the Rained-Dla antics are like some of the most uncreative lamest thing in sports.

But they're always on like top 10. And people eat it up. I don't eat it up, but I'm not going to really yuck their yum. It's just I don't care for it. So canned antics I never really like. I just think it's kind of lame. But like the staring contest, I'm so over that. Like that, that went through.

Staring contest? That went through college. That went through college baseball. The Yankees and the Red Sox did it once. Some hockey players just did it. Yeah, like I refuse to go back to the dugout or the bench and break our staring contest first. but I'm a crumuch.

I've been told that I'm an old man since I was in middle school. Like my sisters and my friends have always been like, Jimmy, you're just a grumpy old man. So I've never been into that shit. If it's genuine and it just happens naturally, it's hilarious and I love it.

So I don't care. But I mean, once you get to the pro... You're roasting in the chat right now, by the way. They're roasting me in the chat. No, I thought there was a little bit of love. It's unpopular take. The love was... The love, unfortunately, was attached with a lot of I agree with Trev.

Am I a boomer? And yes. Yeah, Trev, I mean, I do think you have a more unique scope on this as someone who went through the minor leagues and made it to the show and played there. I will say this. I do like your point about, I think a lot of these college pitchers now know that our guy pitching ninja is out there scouting. So a couple of those guys turning it up. I'll say for the Max Scherzer kid, I didn't see it. But, like, you know, if we saw college Max Scherzer doing that,

would we have been calling him a Hardo probably? Now we're not, because that's how he gets it done. So, hey, hopefully that kid is in the show in six years, dropping hammers on dudes, and that's how he operates, and he can give some love to Shurs. Yeah, I think it's a, it's huge in college sports right now. You need the college football teams. They got the sideline chain or the sideline, whatever.

The baseball teams, they're coming up with their thing. And it's, I don't know, man. It's something that keeps the kids engaged. And if, you know, A, if that's dictating where a kid's going to school, whoa. Now I kind of like it. But I don't know, man. At the end of the day, it's people trying to have fun around baseball. And that's what the game needs more of.

So I'm fine with it. Don't ham it up for pitch ninja. That's where I draw the line. I like it's their self-aware, I think, is my biggest point. I don't like the self-awareness. I like, uh, like if it's something with your boys, I'm okay with it. But if you're like, hey, guys, I'm going to do this and we're going to get on SportsCenter tonight. It's kind of, kind of, kind of lame to me.

I like when MLB teams have a thing that everyone does, like the antlers or, um, the Rangers have the antlers. The Yankees had thumbs down. And that happened organically. pay a guy in the stands to do a thumbs down. They had the guard... The Gardi bang. You know, when you reach base, like to flash a little sign to the dugout.

Yeah. I like that stuff. I think it's... And that's planned, but I think it's easy and small. If your reaction's genuine, I almost don't care what you do at all. I agree with that.

Like, even Jose Bautista, that big-ass batflip, like, that was his genuine reaction to a big, big, big, big moment. Like, I'd love that. I think it's amazing. even like Jabba Chamberl needs to get in trouble

because he came like five years too early because he would fist pumps inning ending strikeouts like that's fine that kind of leads me to my next point Jim thank you for the segue segue would you say a free throw in the NBA

is essentially a gimmy like it's a free point it's a free throw right? Yeah sure so league average in the NBA is 73%. percent of free-thoe shooters.

Look at Trev. Look at this angle he's coming from. Analytics. So the kind of is almost in line with how much a pitcher is supposed to get his job done. If you look at on base percentage, even last year, on base percentage was across the league was 322. So 68%. They get the job done. And they're supposed to get the job done. It's like a free throw, kind of.

Herein lies my problem with pitchers striking guys out and flexing towards the other dugout and going nuts. It's kind of like a free throw, bro. Like, you didn't do much. I think position players have, if pitchers are able to do what they do after winning a battle, they're going to win 68% of the time, what can position players do when they win the battle?

We should be doing backflips every time we get on base. It's much harder. I don't like every time you win, you've got to flex, flex, flex, especially if you're a pitcher. I think it's a message for the kids, too. You don't always got to flex on people for winning, especially when you're supposed to win, and it is 68% of the dang time.

I mean, I love analytics trash. Call me a boomer, but my goodness, I'm getting fed up with seeing it all the time. I mean, you're a boomer and a hitter, for sure, which I love. I love that. I think where your analytics get a little skewed is probably the strikeout side of it, because pitchers don't strike out guys 73% of the time. They get guys out 73% of the time.

So if you're just doing strikeouts, that percentage lowers. I mean, they still celebrate after ground balls, fly balls. It's getting the job done. But yes, a strikeout is more exhilarating for a pitcher. So I do understand your back. So I think you got to hone that, you know, an inning strikeout. If you start doing percentages on that, I think that's a little tighter. And be excited.

You got the boys back to the dugout. I'm with you. I mean, if you're celebrating. If it's a big spot, I am for it, bro. But don't be doing in the fourth inning. I think, yeah. No, I'm with you. Can we just like save it?

Can we just like save it so special? If you have a zillion, pink starbursts, they're not going to be special anymore. The reason pink starbursts are special is because you had to go through the yellow and the orange ones. Yeah, like weather in California is bullshit. It makes people soft because you don't have to suffer through winter or fall or spring. You don't get excited for the new seasons. You just get gifted nice weather all the time.

Makes you jaded and soft. We all agree on that. Kyle, don't clip any of this. You are not allowed to clip any of this and put it on the internet. I'm going to get roasted. It's probably already clipped. I mean, there's a picture of Teddy and Jeff Kent on our talking baseball Twitter timeline. If it's genuine, it's fine.

And like if Bruce R. Gratterol comes out for the seventh inning and he pitches a one, two, three inning, and he got his job done. His manager asked him to do something and he did it. I love a big fist pump. Give me the big boom. I like it. If it's, you know, he does it after striking out the first batter, make sure the job's complete first, I would say. Go watch Jack Lighter pitch. Go watch Jack Lighter.

do what he does. Also Kumar Rocker. They have the passion, but they're not going to just like, because they are confident. They're really confident. Like be really confident. That's what I want in people.

Like the showboating and all that stuff. It's like, man, I get it. Like it's your time to shine a little bit and not everyone gets it. The college atmosphere is jarring. And I like it for college baseball. But I don't think I would watch that for 162 games. And I think maybe because they don't play 162 games against like pro competition.

That's why it gets a little diluted or doled down when you get to the pros. Because it's wild. Pitchers are like flexing off the mound every inning. I like it for its place. It's college baseball. It's antics. It's whatever. Like, dude, I mean, 18 to 22 year old kids might be the dumbest demographic you can find.

Like, yeah. Just judging from my personal experience. 18 to 22. They're all overly confident. They're confident for no reason. Yeah. I mean, you just have it. I mean, we were there.

I just, I don't say that to like be an asshole. I was, was one of them. Big time. It just big time. World bubble is small and you're the best. Maybe.

That's it. I'm curious when it is going to leak over in pro ball. Like, because we've seen. the Latin influence coming to pro ball. And their style of play is different than the American style of play. It's definitely more passionate. And I think theirs is more genuine. Now, it's starting to get more like, what's it, coordinated or whatever.

But the way that Latin people grow up playing baseball is more passionate. I don't think what we're seeing in like the college game is that. I think that's kind of my point. and I'm wondering when is like the helmet thing, you know, after they hit a homer, did you guys even see that? I think my video came out. You know, when they hit the helmets?

Like, is that ever going to come to the big leagues? Because when that happens, I think I'm going to, I'm going to vomit. It's not, Treve. I mean, college sports are different. I mean, what do they do with the helmets? They just, like, bump helmets. They take them off. You don't like that?

That's easy enough, Treve. I don't know why that just signifies. The California boomer. I don't know. I'm gonna get roasted for this. I don't care. I'm being honest with you guys. All I can be with the chat and our listeners is be honest, man.

Maybe you're as close to the 18 to 22 year old demo we just described. Yeah, very dumb. Okay. I mean, I jumped over fire. I climbed a telephone pole with no safety harness, drunk as hell multiple times. I was the dumbest kid alive. You tell and Jake and I jumped off our roof

Into the snow With no Guarantee it was safe to do that Yeah I used to run into street signs And odorizzy And I used to run into street signs Just because the street sign bends a little

And then slingshots you back Yeah And it was like a little roller coaster To run full speed Jump hockey check into like a no parking sign And Like a cartoon character It throws you

We did that a lot We did that We'd that multiple times. Often. Like, just think back on the things I did. I was the dumbest person. That's living. I'm also rooting for the guy who's like imitating Scherzer to be as good as

as Scherzerger. I would love that for him. I don't want to take that away. I'm just, I'm just sharing my observations. Huge. I like it. I appreciate it.

I don't want anyone to, I want them to have fun, but don't be self-aware. Okay. I just like genuine reactions will always be awesome, whether you're crying or, or you're happy. Like, my mood can be swayed.

I'm soft that way. Like, I'll eat it up. Treve, you know what you need. You need the college picture to book the trend, the guy that shows no emotion. The guy, you need a board. Well, that's kind of like Jack Leiter. He shows real emotion.

He won't even step off the freaking mound if you call timeout. He's peacocking and he knows it because he could probably get out in major league baseball right now. I'm talking about I need the guy from Southwest Florida State who pumps 84 in there. He gets. the big double play and he's just like, yeah. I do like that long-haired kid, Jim, that you did the breakdown on. Altaf.

Tulane. I like that guy a lot. There's a guy a lot of these that I do like. I don't want people to think I just sit on my phone being like, boo these young kids. That's not what happens. I enjoy a lot of them, but some of them like, I cringe. Boo these young kids.

Dude, I'm about do a breakdown. I mean, it's going to take forever on college, on Boston College. They had a big comeback. They're down nine to one to six. to some team from the south, Georgia or Bama, I don't know. And the team that was winning 9 to 1 took their DH, who had a hell of a game at the plate. Like just feeling great about himself

and put him on the mound to get the last couple outs and then blows it? Auburn. Auburn. How about a whirlwind for that kid? Like just DH relaxing and just hitting. They're like, all right, now you're pitching and now it blows. I didn't even really watch it.

I don't know how bad he did. But I thought that was like just a funny tidbit. Like, oh, come on, man. Can I just stay? It's kind of a different sport, man. Like the same way NCAA football is different from NFL football, college baseball is different from pro baseball. And I would have been one of those guys.

I would have been that dude taking my helmet off after I had a homer. Oh, my God. I get it. It's a mob mentality almost. Once you get around the boys and they're doing stupid stuff, you're probably going to be doing stupid stuff too. Us four if Stanford, if we decided to go to Stanford instead of GoPro? our celebrations would have been electric.

Mainly about the problem with the pitchers, but that's because I'm a hitter. No. Us three pretending to be hobbits around you doing Gandalf after your home runs. See, you shall not pass would be a great one for them to do. I'd be down for that.

Like if a pitcher did that walking off the mound and like someone threw him a big wizard staff and he hit it in. Oh, it's a little gimmicking. I'm in for that. I thought of a planned one that the first time I saw it, I loved it. When the dude hits a walk-off home run and everyone's crowding home plate and then he runs and then he jumps on home plate and they all fall like it was a bomb.

Like, there's a pull. The Prince Fielder? Is that what that is? Prince Fielder did that with the Brewers and I was not a fan of that. I like that. That's fun. That's a good time. But Prince Fielder can do whatever he wants.

He's in the show. It's a good time. Show. And maybe it was real. Maybe he did shake the earth. He was a big dude. Maybe they all just fell because he jumped so high. Prince Fielder was built.

He was built different before built different was owl. Yeah, my buddy worked for the Padres in the clubhouse, a good friend. And he saw Fielder with his shirt off for the first time. And he was like, that is not what I expected. He's like, that dude from the belly button up is all my. or from maybe the... Oh, he's strong. Yeah.

Yeah. It was like he's... Maybe my whole take just sucks and I just need to get over it, but... Ron Darling? What am I going to do? Ron Darling probably, no, he's a pitcher. Oh. I like Green Trevor.

He doesn't want it. He's got a lot of good takes. Thank you, Ron. Ron definitely agrees with me for sure. Treb, you have to get something off your chest. And everyone appreciates you doing it and being honest. I am a product of my environment. just as everybody else is a product of their environment.

Yeah, that's why I don't speak Spanish. I was born to an English-speaking family. I went into pro ball straight from high school, and the first thing they do, they chop your fun. They chop the fun from you, bro. I think you're jealous that you didn't get. I think you're a little jealous that you didn't get that.

Maybe you want two years of college ball where, like, there's no veterans and this is the way, blah, blah, blah, blah. I don't think so. I don't think I wanted it. I definitely would change things if I, like when I was a veteran, I treated people differently than I got treated when I was a rookie. But I still like the idea of earning stuff and like putting the time in and then like, you know, being able to do stuff because you've earned it.

But hey, man, that's just me. You guys don't got to agree with me. and I hope everyone's happy. I mean, but that's my opinion. It might suck too. It's 2012. You just go second deck.

You come home. You grab your bat. You hit the home run with. You shall not pass. And there's, you know, Brian Dozier, Jamie Carroll,

and the Hobbits follow you into the dugout. I mean, that's your dream. That's kind of funny. We call Brian Dozier Hobbit. That's great. I love that. I'll relay that to him.

I'll also tell them about the pubs you talk about. Promot code talking, the manscape. Well, okay, on Dozier, I said once you're a big league manager, I will be part of your staff, but I do not want to coach it all. I just wanted to be there for post-game beers. So make that happen, however that is. It's a neutral. But so in 2012, I did hit a bunch of homers.

I was a stud, and I was doing this thing around third base where I was team. Oh, yeah, you told us about this, yeah. my my BGs to strap off and then I started to feel like that was too much so that's that's the generation I come from so maybe I don't know what the hell I'm talking about do you like the coordinated high fives

with the third base coach after home runs a lot of Yankees do that John Carlos doesn't bother me at all John Carlos Sand gets a play action or no it's just a handoff they should do play action once yeah we tell Nevin that when we interviewed him yeah they should do play action ones

they all do a little something judge comes down like a hammer Glaber does something else you don't you don't mind that I don't mind that I don't mind that third base coach

you gotta have something to do and besides fuck up the game when you really crush one when you really crush one you get the first base coach involved that's show so that's the sign of a big time home run

when the first base coach dashed yeah if you if you can give a high five to a first base coach, you crushed that homer. And you pimped it. Okay. Oh, yeah, we can't use the word pimpe anymore.

You celebrated it well. I'm going to look out for that. How many home runs were first base coach home runs? It's going to be a new stat. 24 ding dogs in 2012, Trev. You and willing him. I got hurt too. I was on my way to 30 easily.

Yeah. How many of those balls do you think were juiced? None. I played the dead ball era. Yeah. Incredible. I want you to put that in your profile, your Twitter bio. I played in the dead ball era. I don't know, man. I guess it's weird because I do like some celebrations and I absolutely hate other ones.

So I think it's just like how I feel in that day doing it. I don't know, man. It's all about perspective. Dozier with six home runs that year. Trevor Ploof for 24. BPD didn't tell us what do you feel? You're 14 years old. You're the future. What did you, how do you feel about this? It's hard to say. I mean, there's a little bit of, you know, when it's a bad one when you see it. But it's an important distinction we've got to make between something being like planned and something being like your thing. Because like a thing's your thing.

That's different. Like the first base celebrations with the dugout. Like, yeah, that was planned. But that's like the thing everyone's doing. But if you like, This is the first time we've ever done it and you start doing like actual flexing around the bases. That's kind of a weird, weird move. More things. What did you feel about Bauer with the eye closed? I mean, he like, he like Instagrammed it and said he was going to do it

and showed himself doing it in bullpen. So that made me think, okay, I mean, he's a weird cat. If there wasn't a picture of him doing it, that would have been an issue but he did it so like sure he did like what spring training spring training i like it

i like it there's something i was wondering what he was going to say and then i think he came up with a perfect answer he because you can't you can't come back at this he said i'm trying to put myself in uncomfortable positions to get better like when i'm feeling comfortable yeah like so i that's a great answer

If he was just like doing it to like mess around Then I'm like come on man Like this is your professional But if you give that answer and say I wanted to challenge myself in a spring training game To do it then I love the answer You hear what he's doing? You hear what he's doing next game?

No He's chapping off his left arm He doesn't need it Doesn't need it Pube rates Doesn't need it Brian Dozier's Rasta Pupes Please don't clip any of my take Kyle

Might have to bring him back. D'Oge? Textosge. Textosge. Tell him we come back. Maybe we're having a guest on Thursday, unless something big happens. 925 Evil Empire said,

did Trev really just compare a free throw to getting someone out? It's the same. It's the same percentage, essentially. Jake's point was good about the strikeouts. The percentages are there for you on that one, Treve. Yeah? Thank you. Pitchers get batters out at a very similar clip

to professional basketball players make free throws. Yeah. So don't celebrate in the fourth inning pitchers. I don't know. Or do and just don't care what the fuck I say. I think they might go with that. It's also an option. All right.

That was the episode. And it was just one of the best episodes in the history of the show. If I can figure out how to get the song to play, I'll play it. Don't you mind me. Love you, chat.