Talkin' Baseball (MLB Podcast) - 320 | Arcia & Odor Trades, A's Disaster Start, & the Reds' Identity

Episode Date: April 7, 2021

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As always, Jake, how are you doing? James, Trevor, big bodacious baby, David. I'm doing well. Man, big day for us. Holy smokes. We're grinding all day that ends with whiskey shots watching Jamo with Jamo, Jamo, Jameson tonight. So if you're a Yankee fan or not a Yankee fan, you might want to tune into that. And, man, I think last night was the moment I was looking for. I was on the couch in time for the Yankees game. Enjoyed that.

And then flipped over and socks wearing extra innings with the rays. And that game was crazy. I had my Arizona Diamondbacks tweeting at me, as if I'm not watching the freight train David Peralta. I can't. I wish I couldn't, but I can't. And then you Darvish was on MLB TV. I was in it.

I was lost in all of it, all of the games, just drinking in the action. It was a beautiful thing, Trevor. What's up, guys? You know, I always think, like, when those accounts are interacting with you, it's hard not to just associate them

with the full team and the organization, but really it's just some guy on his phone. Yeah, so listener. So, like, I wonder who it is. There's probably a couple of them. So I wonder who's enamored with you and us in the Arizona Diamondbacks PR department. But shout out to them because they've kind of taken a liking to us, which I, which I dig. So I also was watching a ton of baseball yesterday, some good games.

And I got my Mike Trout hat on right there. I think the Angels might be my third or fourth favorite team. And that changed quickly. If you know how much I talked about them in a negative fashion during the off season. But it looked pretty good so far. Jake, I was doing the same thing last night. I've done it the last couple nights after the Yankees game ends. I'll just be laying in bed or on the couch with my laptop and just have MLB TV up.

And they have like all the games at the top, you know, and I'm just switching. Yeah. I caught a lot of good stuff, though. I enjoy it. The Red Sox, um, Ray's game. the extra innings roll just close it's just so not fun to watch but Randy at Rosariania

not the best ever last night in Wright Field was the best ever the night before in Wright Field he made a hell of a catch that was pretty ugly the rays did you see that one strike away baseball baby hit by pitch wild pitch can't catch a fly ball

insane it's a hard hit ball it would have been a nice play that's the no time the can't kneel type thing right there. I think that gets Calum. I won that game. Big right field of Fenway. I know, but he turned the wrong way twice.

And he wasn't that close to it. I don't know. It would have been a great play. If he makes that play... If he makes that play, we're calling him the best ever. Yeah. I mean, I don't know. I think, like, Mooki makes that easily. He was in defending. He was in, he was in defending, you know, had to defend, like, the base hit, try to throw people out. And sometimes, I don't know, that ball would maybe was right at him, because they always say that. That's hard, but when I played the outfit, I thought the ball was right at me were the easiest because you just...

Gone at the stand there. Stand there. All right. There were some trades yesterday that were kind of interesting and weird and just for everyone to put on their radar. The brewers made a trade. They traded mainstay shortstop. Orlando Arcia to the Braves. That was so funny how this broke to because it was like the brewers have traded Arcia to an unknown destination.

Like, oh my God. They just really see it. sent him away, huh? Yeah. The Brewers and Braves, the Brewers sent infielder Orlando Arcia to the Braves. I think he has a year and a half left

in return for right-handed relievers Patrick Weigel and Chad Sabatka. I really didn't dive into this too much. Arcia doesn't really hit well and he's been playing short for them for a long time and not hitting at that position for a long time. So I get that end. What's the other?

side. What's all the other stuff to this? Do you know what? Did you deep dive, Jake? What I know, and again, hey, brew crew fans, Braves fans, and we've got some brave sources. I saw our girl Ashland had a, she was like happy to see Sabaka go, so I won't, I won't comment on that. I think this is just Dansby insurance for the Braves. Arcia has options. So right now, I know roster resource lists him as the like minor league shortstop. So, hey, you know, you know, know, maybe that's a box they want to checked just in case. That's a good position to have insurance on. And, man, we went through Arcea's numbers with the Brewers, and it's,

oh, my God. Is that me? Yeah. How about that, ESPN? It's a nice song. Yeah, we looked at Arcea's numbers, and it's like, damn, he really, he hasn't done much hitting. He's been a solid defender, and he's had a couple big playoff games. But, you know, they've gave him the past five years a run at shortstop

for the crew, and now they traded for Urius, who was the guy that got back from Grisham, and we wondered if he was going to be the guy. He got banged up last year. It didn't happen. He made a couple nice plays so far, and I wonder if, you know, it was just out there and it was time to go on, or maybe it was even a conversation in the clubhouse. Like, Arceas owned that spot for five years, and now they're giving it to Ereus. Maybe there's something there.

And my dude, Travis Shaw. Ding dong. Ding dong. Third base. So, yeah, I don't know. It's a little bit of speculation. and not the most exciting, but that's where I'm at. I don't have much on this.

I am on his baseball reference page now, and I always find it really funny when people get nicknamed like El Nino or the kid, and then they grow up, and, like, there's not young anymore. So you have to change the nickname eventually, but he still has El Nino on his. He's almost 27 years old. And like you said, he just, he's been serviceable defensively at shortstop. Offensively, he's been one of the worst in the league. I think I saw a tweet, him in Odore.

have been near the bottom of the barrel of all qualified players offensively. So these two trades here are just kind of very interesting to me. Couple 27-year-olds that have seen a lot of Major League Baseball in the middle and field getting flipped on the same day. Yeah. At the same time. But I say very interesting, I mean, not interesting to me at all. Well, yeah, I mean, we won't deep dive into the second one.

The relievers that the Brewers picked up, one made his debut, Weigel. Sabotka's been around for a couple years. I'm guessing they have options and it's just like relief support for the brooker. Like we can use two relievers that we can stash. The brewers, when we had Brit Groleon and she flexed an article she was writing with, you know, Saris about the teams that are best at developing Velo. I don't know if these guys have Velo. I don't know a lot about these two, but the brewers were the best team. So maybe they're like, well, give us an arm. We can we can turn them into better arms. We've seen a couple of reclamation projects come through there.

David Phelps was Drew Pomm. Drew POM. That was his first relieving thing. So, hey, the brewers might have a little bullpen sauce. And, you know, if that was enough for the Braves to move on and get shortstop insurance, sure. Turned Sabotka's 95 into 97 real quick. So batka. Yeah, is that how you say it?

First Russian player. The other trade that we had was, as Trev mentioned, another guy that hasn't hit forever. Wolf, l'a little boar. Rugi. Rugi. Been with the Rangers forever. He didn't get picked up. So he cleared waiver.

So no one wanted to take on his salary, which is a lot of money. So he cleared waiver. So the Yankees worked out a trade. They bring him over. The Rangers are paying the 27 mil. And the Rangers are getting two prospects from the Yankees. No one major or anything. But the Yankees also D.S.

a kid that has like five years of control left for Odor. So it's really weird because Odor's not good. And the Yankees now traded two prospect and DFA'd a prospect for him. The guy they DFAed might have been the best prospect of the three. Yeah. The other two might not reach the bigs. Yeah. Real weird move.

You know, Odore does. hit the ball hard, which the Yankees have looked for in Talkman and Voit and Giorchella, a lot of their reclamation projects, kind of like the brewers can reclaim relievers. The Yankees have done this with bats. You know, G.R. Schella had no bat when they found him. Voight and Talkman did. They were just blocked. So it's, I don't know. He's going to be with the Yankees like tomorrow, Treff.

I don't know what they're going to do with them. They're not going to play him, right? Does this have anything to do with like the short porch and him having a little bit of power? Yes. Yes. It's also, if you want to tell him, Jake, it's also penny pinching reasons as well. Yeah, that's what I was thinking is a money thing. It's got to be.

So the Rangers, I mean, they were willing to basically cut him. So they're just going to absorb his whole contract anyways. And the Yankees, I believe in, hey, capologists, like if you want to come at me, it's, I promise you, it's not my strength. But I believe once they add Rugi, it won't affect their cap situation. He gets listed as the minimum, right? I think in real dollars they pay him pro-rated version of the minimum, which it's been four days, so the minimum. Right.

But yeah, you know, I guess if when this is Yankees' deep track, so, you know, Derek Dietrich is at their facility right now. I guess if they use Rogie, it saves a couple dollars because they kind of do the same thing on a baseball field, except Derek Dietrich has been a better hitter lately. So the Yankees do believe they have a little. little juice in the hitting department. If you can hit the ball hard, they think they can fix you. And, hey, you know, Rogie O'Dore, he's got the heartstrings of a lot of Texas Rangers fans. The punch, he was on, you know, some of those good playoff teams.

People are going to flex the 30 homer years and they're as empty 30 homer years as you can find. But, hey, if the Yankees can tap into that and he can kind of be the utility infield weapon for him and they can find some porch or maybe it's a hole in the swing that they've and hey, you know, Treve, you'd love this. They were saying it on the broadcast last night. You know, you shave that beard. You put on the pinstripes. You're feeling some type of way, my man.

So, you know. I think that's going to be interesting to see that. Right there, the shaved beard. Yeah. Oh, my God. The Yanks tweeted out a picture with his, like, full gross-o beard, and it's... I was taking it back. I fixed it for him.

You fixed it? I clean-saved him. Yeah. Thank you. Do you think he's going clean-shaven, or do you think he's going to keep a mustache? Like, oh. Can you do a goatee? I don't think he has a good enough beard to do a mustache.

I don't think he has mustache hair. Do the Yankees allow a goatee now? The Yankees don't allow a goatee now. I mean, you can do it. David Wells did it. Don Maddenly's done it. You just have to pay a daily fine. Oh, my God.

Yeah. But the Yankees is wrong with the Yankees. Come on, man. They've been much more relaxed lately. Edwin-on-Karnassione was, I mean, one of the funniest ever. Yeah, Edwin and Carassion, he was like a big client for a laser treatment up in Toronto. So he would not shave his face. He would laser all the hair off besides his chin strap.

So when he had to shave the chin strap, he had laser markings. Wow. Like, you know, like almost like a reverse beard tan line. So he had like all this unsmooth skin because it had never been lasered off. There's probably a picture of it. Yeah. You know, you guys brought up a good point. Like what is Dietrich thinking?

Like he said, okay, I'll accept the assignment. I'll go down to the minor leagues because I'm sure they said, hey man, you're going to be one of the first people called up. We're going to need your bat during the season. And then they go pull a trade like this,

take a guy off the roster and give the roster spot to Rugi. Dietrich's, I guarantee, has already went into the office and said, I'm out. Or like as thought about it at least. I would have left. This is very similar to what happened to me in Texas. So, man, that's, it's tough for him for sure.

I think that's probably who it affects the most, right? Like he's the left-handed pop guy. And now he's not the left-handed pop guy. All because like it like, all because of 500 grand. If that's the real reason, maybe the Yankees nerds actually see good stuff in Odor like they saw in Giorchella, but they got Gio. Did they, yeah. It's just weird that they, they did.

It's just weird. Is that it? What'd you search to find that? I just searched Edwin and Carnaccio and Yankees and. Search Edwin and Carnacian hot. Did, uh, oh my gosh. I mean, he looks good. Looks good.

He's not going to win any beauty. God, that's so funny. I forgot how funny this was. Like, he would get the stubble for night games, but just in his chinstress. because he lasered the rest of his face to never grow hair ever. I want a laser hair. I want a laser this part right here. I worked for a laser hair company one summer in college.

It sucked. Should I do it? No, don't do it. Because if you can never shave it like Edwin. All right, let's move on. We each have a topic we want to talk about. Trev gets to go first and his topic is brought to you by Foco. If you watched our live stream on opening day or saw any clips or any pictures,

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Yesterday, our housekeeper was over, and she was putting some of my laundryway, and she held up the Astros Foco shorts and says, I love these shorts. Wow. There you go. I mean, I legitimately got a compliment out of nowhere. Big fan of cheating. Trying to get in your pants. She might be.

I think that was the hint. Nass up. I think it was a hint, Trev. You think Mela wants to hook up? Yeah. I think she's, I think that she's trying to see, see your policies on cheating.

I have a strict no, no cheating policy. That's a good policy for a married man. Clean this guy in baseball. I have the same policy. All right. I DMed Olivia yesterday. You know what?

She mentioned because she has a private idea. No, this is true. This is true. I swear. She mentioned she has a. private IG and she came across like a friend request from you. Yeah. And she's like, oh, like, you know, like she's like, does Jimmy have one too?

Like she feels bad like leaving people on limbo, but she gets like a ton of these requests and she doesn't, because she's private, it has to like go and like manually put the people in. Does she post, don't feel bad. Is she posting family shots and Teddy and. She's just family shots. She posted a beautiful Instagram story of Trev and the kids in the pool. And it was like a beautiful family picture. Like put it in a frame.

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Hell, no. BPD, you're like probably on the fence right now. I'm not sure I'm going to let you in there because you're hot. I'll earn your trust. You're too hot. Zach? No. Hell no.

No. I'm not let that happen. What do you want to talk about? I have the sound bite ready. You just give me the intro. I'll play it. I don't think there was another pod on the planet that wasn't, you know, in Cincinnati. There was on the Reds as much as we were last year.

We gave them every chance to be good. They just weren't good. They made the playoffs. We even got back in the playoffs. Like, they can do it. Like, this can be the team that scares everybody. Then they just got steamrolled by the brakes. Don't want to see these guys do a three game set.

We kept. saying that, or at least I think it was me mostly. We all did. We were all like, it can be scary. And then I, I, pitching. I fell off because I just started being like, well, they suck. And then, yeah, they went out with a whimper last year. And they were, they were probably a better team

last year because they had Bauer in the starting rotation, blah, blah, blah, blah. But then they come out this start of 2021 season. There's fireworks against the Cardinals. Nick Castellanos is just dropping D everywhere. Tyler Naquin's, hitting the ball out of the stadium. Doing it. Votto looks good.

Mustakis crushing balls. Everyone's crushing balls. And then yesterday, Amir Garrett had the sound bite of the season so far. Go ahead, Jim. Gosh, it's a domino effect. We're going to, everybody's going to feed into it. I want everybody to think that Cincinnati Reds is like the most cockiest team ever. We're some bat flipping, showboating, son of a guns.

And I want everybody to know that. We have shirts up yet? Bad flipping showbone son of a guns. That is what I thought about that. I'm sure everyone said. Put him on a T-shirt. It's on T-shirts already. There's no way.

100%. But I love that he's given them an identity. And it's kind of like it wasn't forced. Like they've been acting like bat-flippin, showboating sons of guns. And I think that is the kind of identity that this team needs. They don't really have the pitching. staff. I need Sunny Gray to come back. The bullpen's okay. But these

guys, if you look at the lineup, they can go and bang with anybody, especially in that park. And they have been doing that. If you look at the statistics right now and look, obviously it's, what is it, five, six games in. But let me get it up here.

MLB team statistics, they are second and average only to the Dodgers because obviously the Dodgers are the greatest. They lead in run score. They lead in OBP. No, they're second in OBP. They lead in slugging and they lead in OPS. They've come out just like gangbusters

and have smushed the ball. We talk about the NL Central being awash this year. I think a lot of us pick the Cardinals and then the brew crew to kind of surprise. But look, it's going to be up and down all year, a bunch of teams vying for the throne of the NL Central. And we, maybe not with a Tautis injury, but we have said that the wild card is not coming out of there.

So there's going to be one team that reigns supreme and they're going to get to the playoffs. For the Reds to do that, they're going to have to bang all season long. And I love the attitude that they're taking. I love that Amir Garrett came out and gave them an identity and they're going to roll with it. I think it's really hard to have that particular identity

through 162 because it's exhausting. And you put a target on your back. But when you need to go, and you know you're probably not the best team on paper, go ahead and give yourself the identity. And I love the sound bite. I love the quote. I love all of it.

And I think for the foreseeable future, they're going to ride this big dick wave that they got going on. And I'm all here for it. I'm curious to see what you guys think about it. Out of their nine starters so far after week one, five of the guys OPSs start with a one dot. So they've all come out hot. I think the worst is I Eugenio Suarez.

And he popped to Homer recently and coming out of it. He's got 611 OPS. But obviously things get very skewed here. Very hard to find like a middle of the road stat line after a first week because someone's either hot or someone's either cold. But I like what you're saying, Tref. It's really hard for teams to get an identity. And I do think that even if this is great,

for Reds fans, like a rallying cry of sorts as long as Reds fans accepted and adopt it. Obviously, you still want to win. But if they're out there competing, if they can be in the hunt for a wild card or just be playing competitive games day and day out with that energy and that identity, I think that's a lot of fun for fans. The identity is a ton of fun. And it feels real like Amir Garrett's been that dude on Twitter for a while. He's kind of wanted this. Castellanos, like none of that was forced last week. Like that was just Castiano's kind of being a bad dude.

I hit a dinger. I'm going to do a couple hops. I'm going to stand over you. Like it wasn't, they weren't trying to be WWE. A couple of those guys kind of are. And I think the other kind of hidden secret about it, we talked about the Reds, how we kept waiting last year. It's not happening.

When is it going to happen? This hitting, you know, the first team ever to have more walks than singles. Right now, they're leading the whole damn lead in OPS. So guess what? You keep hitting, you keep talking. That's a good time to do it, man. So enjoy it. And yeah, I guess embrace the personality naturally.

And, you know, that does become a fun thing for the fans. And if you're the other team, if you're that pitching staff coming in knowing, man, if Castellanos gets me, it's going to be on the news. Like, I think that is an angle that you can take. So I hope, you know, lean in. into it. Have some fun with it. Let it be natural. But yeah, go get it. That's the thing is I don't think it's forced whatsoever. I don't think anybody is going up there. And of all the Castiano stuff, the point I made about it was it wasn't premeditated. He was just doing things in the moment.

So I kind of, I am okay with any sort of emotion if it's real. And that's what they've been given. And if you just look at the guys that have targeted at the opponent. like castie out besides the flex oh I'm not fully okay with the flex I don't think he should have been suspended but I think if I'm a cardinal fan

or a cardinal I think I react exactly how cardinals fans and cardinals reacted but the second home run when he's just turning to his own dugout and pumping up the crowd I don't think you can ever get mad about that I mean but if he's pointing out the pitcher

like you know then I don't like it I just think there's going to be fireworks all year long with this team and we've seen them I feel like it happens all the I feel like the Reds are always in some sort of tussle inner division

and it's just going to keep happening and that's that's we talk about it from time to time this is baseball is an entertainment sport like they're in the entertainment business so they're being entertaining like you can't tell me the Reds aren't entertaining

right now it's fun to watch them I'm like tonight Castellanos is facing what was it Chad cool K-U-H-L he's got four homers off him already like he's if he hits a bomb the night I want to see what he's going to do

so I mean I think it's I think storylines like this sound bites like that are good for business can I have some Reds fans leave the um the origin path

of the swagger below because I associated it with Pueg and Dietrich when they were doing things for the Reds back in 2019 and they were bringing all that energy because Votto has his own calm, confidence, prankster vibe and I love it, but not like what it is now. Brandon Phillips was that way, in a way. Maybe not as boisterous. I feel like, you remember, you remember when he got in Yadi's face? I remember, yeah, yeah, I remember that because you had to shit talk to them or the shit talk to each other. But like, this, this recent vibe.

Like, I feel like, like, Dietrich and Pueig, who I, did they bring this, like, fuck everyone? We're just going to be really loud and boisterous. And then Castiano's carrying the torch and he came over. Well, for me, it started with the big red machine. And what they used to do on the field, that went to the nasty boys carried by, and then it went to Barry Lark. I want the last five years. Sean Casey on the MLB network wearing a suit picking it at first base in an empty studio. And now here we are.

Yeah. Does that line hit the same way if Amir Gareth isn't 6.5 240? Probably not. So if I say that, it's not cool. And not the guy that, not the guy that charged. Yeah. On other teams dug out. They have a very on paper soft-er schedule.

coming up, the Reds, which kind of, I hope they can carry this on for a little bit. I mean, they finish up with Pitt today. They go to Arizona, San Francisco. I know the Giants are good, but they're just not like the Dodgers or the, or they're not the brave, whatever. You guys get what I'm saying. They go Arizona.

If you want to know. Then they go Giants, then they go Cleveland, then Arizona again. Oh, my God. So, like, they have a chance before they even hit St. Louis or Milwaukee to have a pretty good record. Going into the big divisional series. They opened up against St. Louis and just steamrolled them. Well, they won two or three. And hey, shout out.

You dropped him, Trev. Tyler Naquin, man. This Cleveland team that's been missing outfield for the past blank years. Now he goes over. He's currently leading the league in RBIs for Cincinnati. Wonder if there was some swing stuff. Or if he's just running into balls, which is fine, baby. Keep doing it.

And they got a couple young guys, Jonathan India. They were talking about him on Farm to Fame, ad. So, yeah, Sinci, just keep it rolling, baby. And I think, let me double check the stat. Chris Rose tweeted it out. Yeah, Tyler Naquin has 12 RBIs on the year. The Cleveland Indians currently have 13. I love it.

I'm sitting here reading Amir Garrett's page here, and if you want to know why he's got kind of this, hardened attitude, like wants to fight. Grew up in Victorville, California. Then went to Henderson, which is right outside of Las Vegas, and then he went to college in Queens. So he's kind of had this little run-of-the-mill

little trifecta there. There aren't soft. Places where you're not going to be soft if you're making a stop in each of those three places. So good for Amir Garrett, good for the Reds. I love the identity. It's definitely on a bunch of shirts.

And Jim, you brought up a great point. For the fan base, it's an awesome rallying cry. Cincinnati. If you're going to be like... Not going to lie. It's not a great city to... Don't come out.

I don't know. The sports... It's not a sports town. Wow. It's a sport... Who is it? I think it's a sports town that wants to be a sports town. They want to be a sports town.

Yeah, I don't mean to say the fans aren't good there because they are good. They are good sports fans. There's not a lot going on. There's not a lot going on right now. Joe Burrow and Tyler Naquin. If you're going to be a 500 team fighting for a wildcard spot and maybe the reds are better than that, or maybe they're worse. But if that's like, you know, if you're not a give it,

it's nice to at least have T-shirts being made of a style quotes being said and so hopefully they can carry it on fun Mo Ager Shout out Mo Ager He's a radio host out there

That tunes into our live streams And likes our content And he had me on the show He had me on the show to talk about the suspension Like right after it happened He had me a show a couple days ago too And just a fantastic name Mo Ager

I need Moe Is a good name Put his name Do you think he's getting He's a piece peeling it, do you think it's going to get wiped or they're going to reduce it to one thing? They do the class. Or they do the Eraldus Chapman.

They have no witnesses and it gets just get pushed for a year. What if they added games to it? That would be hilarious. They'll go. The first appeal that gets more. They'll go two to one because it's a classic way for everyone that was telling him how dumb it was to, well, at least they caved a little bit. Reds will find an off day for him anyways and a win, win, win. Yeah.

Yep. All right, Jake and I each have something to talk about and they overlap a little. I'm going to go first, but Jake and I will also be doing our two-hour Wednesday radio show today called John Boy and Jake Radio, Trev. And during half time of that radio show, people send us snacks. We've had snacks from Germany, Australia, Canada. We try a bunch of different foods. And the last week, we tried two cereal boxes from Magic Spoon cereal. And this week, we were trying the two other flavors. So if you want, it's probably around 1 o'clock this afternoon on John Boy Jake TV.

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MagicSpoon.com slash baseball. So yeah, if you want to watch me and Jimmy eat cereal, that will be on the network today, along with us taking shots of Jamison. That's some sort of weird fetish for sure. people eat cereal, you know, like it's very audible and there's wetness. Yeah, it's really funny because at halftime we always eat something. And then right after halftime, we do like news stories. And sometimes the news stories get clipped out and posted on their own.

And some of the comments are like, why the hell are you guys eating in the middle of the podcast? Can't you just save it? And we're just like, well, it's actually part of the show a little bit, which we kind of fell into. You said you did a mixture of chocolate and peanut butter. How was that? because that sounds delicious to me. It says on the packaging, like mix cocoa and peanut butter to get like a Reese's mixture. It was good.

And then the milk was kind of just chocolate. So then I just added peanut butter in and that was really good. You wanted to go 80, 20. You added like a scoop of peanut butter. No to the, no, no, no. We mixed it. I ate one ball. There was leftover milk.

That was chocolatey from the chocolate. Then I put just peanut butter cereal magic spoon in there. And then I ate that. I think Jake and I crushed. both boxes. Yeah. It sounds like I'm going to get hot and eat some cereal. Yeah, welcome to John Boy and Jig Radio.

That's the plan. All right. I want to talk about the A's. I've been tweeting about it every night. I've been watching this. It's incredible how bad they've been. They have allowed 50 runs in 54 innings. And we're not talking about like there was one 16 run game that skews this.

They let up eight runs, then nine runs, then nine runs, then nine. nine runs, then nine runs, then 10 runs. And yesterday, their season low, five. Congratulations. They only allowed five runs. Yesterday, Trev, the A's also had their first lead of the season. They went up one-nothing. It lasted five batters before the Dodgers tied the game.

They've been beyond bad. Like, obviously, the pitching's bad that you just heard all those numbers. Hard to win when you're averaging, whatever that is, eight runs a game, point seven and a half runs a game. Harder to win even more so when no one's hitting. They've had, they've had eight guys play in five start or play in five of the six games. The best, the best line is Jed Lowry, who was like a surprise. And he's got a 263 average, a 364 OBP, and no power. So it's a 732 OPS.

you know, Marcana, he's up there as well. Love me some Marcana. But like, you know, bat fippin season, baby. Chapman's been brutal. Mitch Morland's been brutal. Elvis Andrews has been, he's won for 21. Yeah. Olson's been, Olson's OBP's good.

But they've just been bad all around, man, starting pitching, bullpen hitting. I don't know about the defense, but I remember seeing some tweets that they're like there's some sloppy play. It's wild. I kind of wanted to ask you guys. They're 0 and 6 right now. I wanted to ask you guys when, how big, like, six games is nothing.

In the grand scheme of a season, I don't think their season has been altered by these six games at all if everyone snaps back and plays to their potential. But when does the hole become too big? If they lose their first 10 games, are we officially like, I don't think they can win the division? if they lose their first, I think the NL record is, I just pulled this up.

The NL record is 14 games to start a season losing by the Cubs in 1997. And then the AL is the Orioles in 1988. In 1988, they lost 21. Yes. So obviously it's only six games. But they're not losing close. They're getting beat on every single side of the ball.

So I think that's a little more to it. Because if it was like six games and their one run games and oh, no, this guy blew the blah, blah, blah. Like every single player besides like two guys is playing awful. When does the hole get too big where you're like, I don't think they have a shot of the division? Your A's, Treve. I don't know. I don't know when what the number is. I mean, if you don't want to lose any more in a row right now, I mean, going 0 and 6, you need to get that dub.

I think I was a 0-7 team at one point in Minnesota, and that felt like you just felt like you were letting an entire city down, entire fan base down. You know, they have recent success, so I don't think their fan base is like flattened like our twins was. It was like another season of this. That's kind of how it felt. I think they still have a good enough team to bounce back.

And let's not forget that they play the Astros and the Dodgers. Well, guess who they play next, Trev? probably someone good. They play the Astros again. They play the Dodgers today, and then they have three games against the Astros and the weekend set again. Is it wrong?

I kind of want them to lose all the games. In Houston, and you know it's hard to win in Houston. God, I mean, I think best case scenarios, they're going to end up, so that'll put them at 10 games. They might be 1 and 9 after those games. I think the schedule is huge. It's Houston and the Dodgers.

Houston's been the bad, the boogey, to them for a long time in a lot of different ways. The Dodgers are a borderline super team. I think they're casually hitting 327 on the year so far. Oh, okay. So best hitter in the league. Perfect. Yeah, I mean, there are a couple small wins in there.

I mean, you know, Matt Olson, not worried. You know, Kana, you mentioned, Luriano. He's only played half the games for whatever reason, but he's hitting. So, you know, a couple dudes are going. The rest of the guys should catch on offensive. they haven't gotten a hit from their catcher spot yet. Sean Murphy and Aramis Garcia hitless. That's tough.

But the pitching, man, that's a surprise. And that's my thing kind of pivots off years. I was going to do a compare, contrast with the A's. But man, is it a surprise, though? Not a surprise when you look at the teams they played. I mean, you know, if Oakland was, you know, three and four right now or whatever, we wouldn't be too shocked. You know, we'd also be given the same speech, right?

So I think that's what, you know, Bob Melvin. What's Bob Melvin telling the guys, Treve? I think, you know, they get through this tough stretch that fine. I think that's the tipping point. That final game against the Dodgers, then they go and play the debacks, my debacks, freight train, David Peralta. Your debacks, yeah. I think that's when Beaumel says, you just say, hey, all right, let's go.

and we'll see in Jim if you're looking for a finite number it's unfortunately the number that was set a couple years ago 19 and 31 everyone looks at those Nats and that's going to be every team's rallying cry until you start getting below that then you're done well yeah but this is a team I will say I agree with that yeah go ahead here's a difference between the Nats the Nats were a team invested in winning the World Series and bettering their team you can lose management before you lose the fans with the ace.

They got a bunch of guys that are free agents at the end of this year. And if the management thinks that they have a better opportunity to trade, they will. If they go to the deadline, not in first place, they're sellers, not buyers. So that's where I think it's scarier for the ace, if they dig a big hole. And they also don't have Scherzer, Strasbourg, and Corbyn, the three-headed monster. And they don't, you know, they don't have one. Soto and Trey Turner.

They have some guys, obviously they have Olson, Chapman, they need to step it up. But if you're just looking straight at their pitching staff, we, I feel like every offseason when we're going over the A's rotation, the pitching staff are like, I don't know how they're going to get it done, but they're going to get it done because they're the A's.

That's just what they do. Eventually, one of the years, they're not going to get it done. And if you're just kind of looking at the guys they're throwing out there, it's like, okay, look, these guys are good major league pitchers, but when you put them up against the Dodgers, and the Astros, right now. I don't know, man.

Like Jim said, nine runs a freaking game. Let's see where they're back. You can't sugarcoat that. Let's see where they're around May 2nd. They're finishing a second series with Baltimore. They played Detroit and Arizona in between there. You know, if baseball is a grind, man, May 2nd, and then probably the second checkpoint would be,

I mean, you could do this pretty easy. but, you know, there's a Seattle, Colorado stretch where they play a bunch of games there, end of May, start of June. But I wouldn't be shocked if by either of those checkpoints, the A's are back around 500, doing their thing. They got a lot of guys. And, Jim, I think that was the only thing I'd push back on. Like, if the A's are in the wild card race, they have made moves in recent years to try

to enhance the team around the deadline. So if they're around the wild card... Those are wildcard teams? I mean, Houston's run that division. No, no, when they made those trades. I mean, those were a few years back. Yeah. I can bring up some transaction history if we want to get deep.

Houston has not ran the division, by the way. They won it in 20. I mean, the A's won it last year. Yeah, and then they got embarrassed. The ALCS is. I agree. Let's set that May 2nd date. I mean, I'll need to vote right now.

Will they be 500 or better May 2nd? No. Schedule's too tough and puck is the only person that's like played well. And you can look and then the two guys I named, but they're not even like, you know, for first week good. It's not crazy. So I'm doing a cross plug right now. Jimmy's dumb prop bed of the day.

It used to be on the talking baseball pregame show. I forgot to record my selfie video and send it to Erica this morning. I'm going to record it right now. Everyone that's watching and listening, make sure you go vote. I am two and oh in my last two. So two and two on the season. Here we go. Jimmy's dumb prop bet of the day-to-day A's.

They let up a lot of runs. They've let up like 50 runs and 54 games. I'm putting the over-under at 7.5. Will the A's allow more than 7-and-a-half runs or less? Choose below. That's my line. Lazzardo's pitching. Bang.

Go vote on it. It'll be out later today. Under 500. 7 and a half. 100. It's a high line. I take the under. Over 500.

June 6th. Someone write it down because I won't. And the rules. Those are the rules. I haven't looked at the schedule at all. You say they have a tough schedule through May 2nd or is it lighten up after? May 2nd, they get a couple breathers. You get a double Baltimore series, Detroit, Arizona.

I mean, that June date, I mean, there's a couple Colorado, a couple Seattle that they could, you know. I mean, oh and six, it stinks, but you, you, sweep the Orioles or something like that. You're, you know, you're back. So we'll see. Yeah, I'll take 500 or better at Macy. The only thing that my point is it's not a competitive O and 6. They've been out of every game by the third inning.

They're getting whipped by the bad guys. Yeah. Yeah, they were playing two of the better teams in baseball. Getting wet by the bad guys. Getting swept by the Astros, if you're in Oakland Day, is that hurts. At home, right? Mm-hmm. Yeah.

Not enough Luzuela. I've been there, guys You'll be all right Text Matt Chapman That's your guy Let him get a little hot Then I'll text him Let him feel

Or do you think I need to pump his gas up a little bit Pump his gas baby Feel the tank up Tank me All right Jake What do you got Jim I

I mentioned I want to do Compare and contrast with the A's I wanted to get under Trev's skin a little bit I ended up in a better place where I can taste Trev, I can taste ourselves, and I can just taste everything. Magic Spoon. Jameson shots.

The current best pitching team in baseball, according to ERA, is your New York Yankees. The Yankees are off to a pitching start, and we'll see where it goes. They've made a lap around the rotation and cold twice, which helps. Again, like we mentioned, Jamo with Jamo tonight, Jameson Tyone, their new piece.

He makes his debut. And that'll be all the pieces. The Yankees, their main dudes have looked good. And the other team that I wanted to compare them to, that again, I think we'll track it as the year goes. Treves, Philadelphia, Phillies. Out in the Ilydelf, they're out to a hot start. And if we start talking about competition and who you're playing,

you know, Yanks played the O's. They played the Jays before that, whose lineup is stacked. Phillies, I mean, they went Braves to Mets. A couple teams that can hit. They reworked the bullpen, and I did some jakey butterknife stats here. So, A, the Yankees, back in 2019, the full season, or excuse me, no, last year, 2020, they had the eighth best pitching in the American League, middle of the pack, that's ERA. They're the bombers.

They hit. They pitch enough, and they do their thing. Right now, they're first, and the guys that are doing it, I even cut out Mike King, our guy had a really nice performance in a couple of the other ag guys. The dudes for the Yankees. Cole. You know him. I just clicked away from the page because I'm a piece of shit.

Cole, Coluber Montgomery, Chad Green, Loisaga, Chapman, Darren O'Day. They're guys right now. They have pitched 32 innings, 3-earned runs. That's a 0-8-4 ERA. Those are the dudes for them. The Phillies on the other side. They're technically third in the NL. The Mets are ahead of them, but they've only played two games.

They're second in the NL to the Padres right now. Padres pitching people are talking. Wheeler, Nola, Eflin, Alvarado the closer, Nairas, and up Kinsler, who were on Trev. Brogden, Archie Bradley, Chris Rose rotation, Sam Coonrod, the guys out of their bullpen and their guys in the starting pitching staff, 33.1 innings. for earn runs a 109 ERA. These guys are dropping it right now. Interested to see how it continues for the Yankees.

You know, Cluber and Tyone are going to be two really big pivot points on that. Jordan Montgomery looked really good. And for the Phillies, I mean, it's the bullpen. And think about everything we talked about with the Cincinnati Reds. Last year, they're hitting just never got it going. Phillies, the bullpen just turned into a house of horrors. They added some new dudes. Alvarado looks gross.

Sometimes he doesn't know where it's going, but it looks filthy getting there. Kinsler got a big ground ball bases loaded double play. He did that against the Yankees last year. That's kind of just what he does. Gerardi's got his pieces to work with. There's another Yankee tie there, baby. Want to watch these teams pitch?

Because if the Yanx can pitch with the elite, that obviously changes their outlook. And Trev, your fills, man. That's the key. I'm in on the Phil's. I don't know if I'm in on the Yankees having an elite pitching stuff. I get it that they've done it so far. They've done it the last five years too.

Regular season, ERA. I mean, throw it out the window for all I can. A little bit of a different staff this year, but okay, teams are different. I like, what I like about that is the Phillies addressed where they were just historically bad and so far it's been good. And they did it for very cheap and they kind of found guys. that were, you know, like Jose Alvarado just was kind of thrown to the wayside.

Brandon Kinsler, after having a good year last year, thrown to the wayside, they picked him up for nothing. Spend a little bit of money on Archie Bradley. He's kind of like the face of the new bullpen. But they've been really good. Both teams have been really fun to watch. I'm happy that Zach Wheeler is kind of doing his thing because when he's signed in Philadelphia, a lot of people thought they overpaid for him, you know.

And he was going up and he was having to deal with Thor and DeGrom and getting compared to those guys and it's honestly not that fair but he's been lights out there he's been really good you pair him with nola now efflin my guy has been pretty good uh they think they found something with him so i'm i've been on the philly's train for a while now you know it's only five or six games in but i'm excited to see uh what they can do i mean similar to the n l central the nl east is just going to be a shit show this year i'm all i'm here for it geri love drowardy loves roles so i'm interested to see how this plays out because I think he has Alvarado as the eighth inning guy

and Archie has the seventh inning guy right now and in like the save situation close games. Alvarado's I think he's closing. He got the save and Narris got a save as well. Those are the two guys who've gotten saved so far. Narris is pitching.

I think he'll piece it together depending on the situation. You know, if there's a situation where he needs a ground ball, can't switch your guy for that. Like if you're trying not to give a homer and you maybe got a three run lead or something like that, Kinsler's a guy you can bring in. I think they can just go closer by committee and that's probably what they'll end up doing,

riding the hot hand. They don't have someone like a Chapman who's just going to come in and that's your freaking guy. They're going to just find a lane for these guys. And you've told me Gerardi knows how to use a both. But his strategy is usually not that. So unless he changed because baseball is changing, Gerardi has always been he's the seventh inning. He's had the guys.

Yeah, but I'm saying he has guys now. He has guys now. But he had Mariano. That's why he's been able to do that. He doesn't have that now. So he's at the changes course. And hopefully he can do that. Yeah, we'll see.

Yankees bullpen has been, I wonder which one's more real. Because Yankees bullpen, they haven't had a lot of good solid arms on there. Well, that's the funny thing. Chapman was suspended. He had one inning. debuted his new pitch. That looks gross. Absolutely gross. And yeah, I think that's what to watch with the Yankees.

Nerris pitched two games in a row. So Alvarado got to save the next day. I think Nerris is going to be the closer. Something to watch in Philly for sure. Philly fans, you let us know. Let us know what you're thinking. And yeah, the Yanks, you know, there's a couple guys in that pen. They've been waiting to break out for a couple years. Loisigua. He looked gross the other day. And they're waiting for Justin Wilson to come back. get Britain at mid-season. So it's a good start. That's all you can ask. They were really good in spring training too.

I mean, do with that, whatever you want. I don't know. It'll be interesting to check in on because in a way, Treve, like you said, the Phillies addressed that bullpen problem. The Yankees made a lot of action towards their starting pitching. I mean, Cluber will see what he turns out to be. They got Tyone. And then we'll see when, you know, the young guys get more

in the mix. Hermann came back after his suspension. Monty with the full year. We'll see once Davey gets in there. We're going to be watching too. Treb, what do you predict Tyone's line will be? Jake and I will be live streaming on the recliners like you were with us. But instead of you sitting between us, it will be a bottle of Jameson whiskey for Jameson Tyone. And we're going to tie one on for every strikeout he gets. We said this happened when we interviewed Tyone after he got traded the Yankees.

set it out of the blue. And then I was like, oh, okay. He said he's going to throw a lot of curbed balls. There's a lot of ways it can get messy. Obviously, the Cole struck out 13 yesterday of these Orioles. How many did Monty strike out the game before? Are they just striking out? I think they're striking out a little bit.

You start out five. Monty served out. So he went seven and six. So, yeah, I wasn't worried about it. I'm starting to get more and more worried about how many whiskey shots we're going to have to take. And I don't want Tyone to get like 5Ks through two with the Yankees going down 1, 2, 3 in the top of the second or bottom of the first.

Because that's like quick five shots. I'm pretty worried about it. What's your guest, Trevor? What do you think we're going to be at? I wanted to go back and look just like how much the Orioles have been striking out. That's who they're playing. I can bring it up real quick, but it's going to be. Tell me the games.

It's going to be against all pitchers, not just starters. Do I want me to do starters? I'll just give you my line. Okay. I'm thinking the least amount of shots you guys are going to have to take is four. And I think the most you're going to have to take is 10. So let's just average that out. Let's go with seven.

That was quick good math. That's quick good math. Seven shots. And I'm hoping you guys aren't going to use like the little plastic baby ones, like a real shot glass. Dougout mug, shot glasses. Because if you're going to commit... Dogout Mugs is sponsoring. You're going to commit to doing this.

Oh, you're doing the bat. The bat. The baton. Yeah. So, Orioles struck out eight times game one, ten times game two, and this against Red Sox pitching. Game three, two,

three, six, nine, ten, fifteen times game three. Uh, the first game against the Yankees, they struck out, holy shit. Four,

six, seven, nine, 10, 13 times, and then last night. A lot of them. 14. I'm hoping it's seven and up. Seven and five would be, I think, a good amount spread out,

will be drunk, we won't be crazy, and it'll give us enough distance. But yeah, if he only pitches three innings and strikes out like seven guys. Trouble. Trouble. What do you think, Jimmy, you're our kind of Vegas. You mentioned your dumb prop out of the day. What do you think the actual Vegas over under on Tyone strikeouts would be like five and a half? I was going to say four and a half, five and a half, four and a half five because he's going to have like a 60 pitch pitch count.

Like he's going to have like a 65 pitch pitch count. Might be a little higher. Why? I mean, they're already babying him and going six-man rotation and being very open and honest that they're going to, you know, reduce workload. And Domingo Hermann, who also hadn't pitched last year. at all. Boone was very open that he's going to be on a shorter pitch count than everyone else first time through.

And Tyone's same situation as that. Everyone else was on 85, so I just drop it down to 65. Gone through 68. He also got into some trouble at one big inning. So, yeah, we'll see. The worst case scenario is that Jamo has a bad outing and lasts like an inning.

Oh, God, it would be a disaster. So let's just hope that he gets. It's through four innings and has a few strikes. I mean, we've got to see some content. Almost like if he strikes out the side in the first, we're fucked because that's not that much whiskey, but like, you know, in five minutes, three shots. And I haven't taken shots of whiskey in maybe a decade.

Do you know this was the first content Jake and I ever did, Treve? We'd sit on stools in my basement with three cameras pointing at us and big lights. For sure. Our friends would, like, write in questions on, Facebook and YouTube, and we'd answer a question, take a shot of whiskey, and we'd do 12 a night. So by the end, we were just block out drunk and having, and then we'd watch it the next day and be like, so what did we say?

Oh my God. Sounds about right. From what I've heard of you guys passed. We did about like eight of those. Moms weren't a fan of that show. Are they still available for consumption? I think I unlisted all of them because I have no idea what we said. We'll say him for another day, rainy day.

Okay. Yeah. I would say I join you guys, but you know, I don't put that in my body. Temple. I want you guys. Also, speaking, the last time I did have whiskey was not too long ago because I was with you, Jake. You made me a bad boy. The picture from our dinner together is my new header picture on Twitter. Yeah, so enjoy that.

Let me see this. Let me see what you're talking about. Let's see what you're working with here. Coach Trev I mean it's just Jake I thought it was going to be like a nice picture of the two of you together No it's just Jake

Good man ponies on the back I just look like a lost soul Yeah a little bit We had a cracker jack old fashion It was delightful We got a bunch of cracker jacks in the office Maybe we have those too Cracker Jackson whiskey is kind of like a low-key fire combination

Because the caramel notes hit together teeth hurt thinking about it. That's like a next morning you wake up and you're like, did I go to the dentist? Why my teeth hurt so bad? All right, those are the three things we wanted to talk about. That's the episode today. Anything else? Anyone else got anything else?

Anything else got anyone else? Boba Shet's so hot. There were a lot of injuries. You guys talked about the singer. A lot of scary injuries. You guys talked about Carl Ravits, right, and him, that whole thing. We did it on the weekly dumb and I went pretty hard at ESPN. I don't know if you saw.

I went pretty hard at him. We're going to assume that was the producer. We're going to assume Carl's better than that. I don't know. Carl, come on, dude. Yeah. All right. Jake and I will be live in 45 minutes for John Boy and Jake Radio on that YouTube channel.

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