Talkin' Baseball (MLB Podcast) - 368 | Breaking Down the Trades SO FAR

Episode Date: July 30, 2021

Timestamps: 3:15 - A's get Chafin & Marte 10:15 - Astros Get Graveman and 2 moroe RPs 21:00 - Scherzer 26:00 - Tyler Anderson 29:00 - Escobar to MIL 35:00 - White Sox 41:30 - Blue Jays 45:00 - Yankees Get Rizzo and Gallo 57:00 - Dodgers Get Duffy Presented by DraftKings Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Hello and welcome to talking baseball. The trade deadline's happening and things are showing so crazy. And if we don't talk about some of these trades now, we'll never talk about them because more are coming. Let's talk baseball. Hello and welcome to talking baseball. Thank you very much. And it's an impromptu episode because we have a lot of trades talk about brought to by Draft Kings. I am excited.

So much is happening. Thanks for joining us. My name's Jimmy. His name's Jake. Trevor's joining us, impromptu setup for him back from Cabo. Jake's back from Q. West, BPD, in the corner. Here's the deal, guys. Tomorrow we have the regularly scheduled series recap episode.

We were like, no one's going to give a fuck about the results on the field. If we don't talk about all these trades that have already happened, and more trades are going to happen. So today we have a list of all the trades that have already happened, and we're going to share them with you, share some of our thoughts on it, get it out of the way. And then there's going to be more. Then we'll do the series recap tomorrow morning,

and then we'll be live again at like 4.30 right after the deadline to go over all the trades that happened post this show. Trev, how are you doing? James, Jacob, Big Deng, I'm so happy we're doing this episode. So many things have happened. I'm so happy for you guys on a personal level. But baseball's hot in the streets. In fact, the sports world right now is hot in the streets. I don't know if I saw what's happening with the Lakers too.

Yeah. But everything's hot right now. I can't wait to talk about with you guys. Well, cool. Let's just only talk baseball, Trevor. The name of the show is talking baseball. I would never bring up another sport. I mean, we just got to roll it.

Poppy Gordo is fresh off the plane, just been ripping it since we're back. A couple yanks trades. Every team is trading. The Mariners are back in it. Diego Castillo just had. We have so much to talk about. We had to get on the mics because we're built entirely different.

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All right, guys. So I know there's a lot of exciting things like currently breaking, but we are going to go back a couple days. Put some like 10 minutes on the clock per team or per move. Talk about it a little bit. I know Treve has a lot of thoughts on a lot of things. Do you guys want to start with Oakland? Let's do it. Let's do it.

Oakland has made two moves. The first move, they got Andrew Chafin, who's basically a rental of relief pitcher. He was with the Cubs, and they gave their number nine and number 12 prospect, an outfielder and a right-hand pitcher, Greg Dykeman and Daniel Palencia to the Cubs. So the Cubs get two prospects, not high-end, but this is like a rental. He does have an option, but they don't have to pick it up. It's a really cheap buyout for the A's, and they're most likely going to buy him out. It's an 800 grand buyout if they don't pick up his option.

So the first move the Oakland A's made is they get Andrew Chafin, whose name is very similar to a guy we know, and he's a very funny looking, and he's going to be relief help. They also, the big move, a guy that was on the board, and everyone was excited to where he was going, and I don't think the A's were on the list at all, is Starlin Marte.

he is also another rental. Now, the A's love rentals. We know that they've done this in the past. They don't like free agents and they don't like long contracts, but they like rentals. Miami gets Jesus Lazzardo back, who is a high-end prospect. He was getting some Cy Young rub in 2020,

like sprinkle on him to win the Cy Young. The Miami's going to have four and a half years of control. He's making the minimum right now. He's struggling. Oakland, he was struggled as a starter. Oakland put him in the Bull. pen this year. He struggled even worse out of the pen. I'm guessing Miami believes they can tap into the potential he once had. And they have a hell of a young staff in Miami. Jake, I'll kick

it to you. Oakland's two moves. Chafin, Marte. What do you got? Chafin, I mean, this is a move that any contender is making around the deadline. I mean, lefty reliever, a solid MLB career. He's going to have a fun mustache. I mean, he's felt like in Oakland A, even when he was in Oakland A. and the Cubs get a couple flyers. Dykeman, Deekman, he's 26, he's kind of struggled in the minor leagues, but he's actually put it together this year, but it's in Las Vegas, which is traditionally a hitters park. So, I don't know, you're taking a couple flyers.

Let's be honest, and Oakland gets another arm in the bullpen. Starling Marte, man, I had talked myself into him big time, look at some of his numbers and compare centerfielders to center fielders, although I think he's going to be playing a little left, because they have Luriano. Either way, his numbers travel. He's been a really solid ball player for a long time, and I honestly jealousy kicked in for my yanks and for any other team

because the price tag you had to pay for a center fielder of his caliber. Well, Jesus Lazzardo is the price tag, and I don't think other teams were going to do that. So interesting from the Oakland perspective, because this is a guy they loved. Obviously, they had him in the bullpen, and he was truly struggling there. So I think it's, you know, Oakland, for whatever reason.

They pulled the plug. Who knows what was happening behind the scenes? And if you're the Marlins, I mean, this is your dream return for Marte. Our guy, Foolish Bailey had a good tweet that was like, man, the Marlins got a better year for two months of Starlin Marte than the debacks did for a year and a half. So Kim Ang, getting a ton of love. And, man, they are going to have a ton of young arm options going into next year. The Marlins, if a couple guys click next year,

we're going to be talking, talking about them. So I love it for them. Oakland, if you're a fan of theirs, you've got to be happy. Yeah, I mean, I said it this morning about Lazzardo. Like, he needed a change of scenery. He's one of those classic guys. Once a top 10 prospect in all of baseball, and it just, like, the A's couldn't figure out the puzzle, I guess.

They couldn't figure out how to develop them. they have been able to find pitchers and develop them before. But honestly, someone actually kind of corrected me on Twitter this morning. They're like the Marlins might be the best at developing pitchers right now if you look at what they've done in recent years. Now, obviously there's other teams that have track records, but the Marlins surely know what they're doing. And I think they think, like you said earlier, Jake,

they can solve the puzzle and have another high-end starter to go along with their already like stellar young rotation. So, I mean, I dig the move for them a lot. Yeah, I like Chafin. I know he's a rental, but he's a, and he's a lefty, Jake, but he, the Cubs used him just as their eighth inning guy. He faced as many righties as lefties and his splits were the same against both of them.

He's a guy who changed his pitch mix. He went to the two seamer, the sinker instead of the four seam, and he's found a lot of success. And I think he has like a vlog and Cubs fans were like really endeared to him because he's funny and a fun loving guy. So A's fans should love that, like you said, he looks like he was born in an Oakland A's uniform. He's pitched there the last 20 seasons,

but we've called him a different name every time. Yeah, and it's cool for him. I just want to shout out to be, like, wanted. Like, he's had an up and down career and stuff and to go, like a team like sought him out, gave some prospects for him. That's got to be a cool feeling. So boom.

He's trying to find a boat to live on. I don't know if you guys saw that. Like Sausalito? He's like, I need to live on a boat, preferably one that I could. also take out fishing. So the guy's, like you said, he fits right in in Oakland. Him in a swerving Irvin.

Him is swerving Irvin. And you know what, Marte? He's one of those baseball reference pages we talk about a lot. Like, go there and you're like, oh, okay, Starlin. So hitting, there's warm. Yeah, good for Oakland. I think he, is he going to play right or left? I think Canna may be in left, Luriano, than him in right?

Taking order for Piscadia, I think. I've got some options, I think, and either way, they're good ones. And man, you know, there's a lot of prospect huggers out there. If you had told Oakland A's fans this year or two years ago that you'd be trading Baby Jesus for a rental. Holy smokes. And that's baseball. Hey, Marte, 407 OBP.

Whoops. It's crazy. It's pretty nice. He hasn't showed up yet. Chafin pitched one game in Oakland. Marte hasn't yet, right? I'm going to the game tonight. We'll see if he's there.

He's got a three war in 63 games this year. Like when Starling Marte balls out, he balls out. Starling Marte is in the A's starting lineup tonight, batting second playing center field. Batting second. Oriano is in right field. Oh, wow. Wow, okay. I was interested where they were going to put him in the lineup.

I know they were trying Andrews in the two-hole and then they bumped him back. and the tool for them has kind of been a lot of guys. They've had 10 different guys in the tool, so hopefully start Marte sticks. Yeah, the Chafin one, I don't know the return for the Cubs, so I can't sit here and say I love the return, but it was a rental anyway, so the fact that you can get two players and maybe one of them,

I like that. And then, like you guys are saying, Lozardo is still crazy guy talent. So I think that's a good trade for all sides. The A's have an already, like, really good bull, pin. This is just another piece for them. Like that's just what they do. Just acquire arms. Speaking of acquiring

arms, let's move on to the Houston Astros, also an ALS team. They made the trade with Seattle while playing Seattle for Kendall Graveman, a rental. He's owed $450K the rest of the season.

So a cheap, cheap, cheap rental, back end reliever having a good year. Also, Rafael Montaro, for this season and next. They sent Abraham Toro to Seattle. Seattle. Toro has homered in four straight games. I don't know if he homered today,

but it was like two for the Astros and then two for the Mariners right after. One with the help of ex-temate. Also, Joe Smith, Arendal, goes to Seattle. Houston also got Yimmee Garcia from Miami and sent two prospects. Brian DeLecruz and Austin Pruitt their way. Did Houston get a third as well? am I blanking? I thought they might have got another one.

What, Yami Garcia? I know. Graveman, Garcia. And Montero. And Montero. Yeah, yeah, okay. What do you got on this, Jake? Man, this was wild, right?

We've kind of been saying on talking baseball, the Mariners were in a weird spot. Like, this wasn't supposed to be the year. They got, you know, Houston is a force and A's are ahead of them. We said, like, the one thing you shouldn't do is piss off that locker room. And what do you do? You trade two of your better relievers to the big bad wolf in Houston. And we heard the locker room was pissed off and blah, blah, blah.

And then the ripple effect of that a lot of beat reporters were coming back. They're like Abraham Toro has been a lot of analytics people's like pick to click the past couple years. Hard to get playing time in Houston. So, hey, this stings right now in Seattle. We might have to follow this up. They just got Diego Castillo. So they're moving chess pieces a little bit And maybe that can quench things a little bit

But what a gut punch initially for Seattle Just on the concepts Like take the players out of it And you're like, what? We're helping those dudes? But I don't know. I mean, man, if Abraham Toro ends up being a part of their next four years, Which he should,

Then I think if you're a Mariners fan, You're going to look back and say that did sting, but it was worth it. And if you're Houston, I mean, you got a lot of, love it. You're a crew in arms. You're going to need them. And Gravenman's been nasty this year. So good for them. Diego Castillo has, I mean, they have Diego Castillo now for three years after this year. And he's cheap as well. He can be wild at times, but he's also got a 272 a year.

So I wonder if Diego Castillo moved by the Mariners was in response to the clubhouse and locker room and be like, what the fuck? but do Mariners fans, I'm asking, I mean, would you have, like, you have Castillo now who can be a back-end reliever and has been for the raise and is nasty, and you have Toro, because Sears leaving, they said that basically. So, I mean, in the end, are you kind of like, all right, this helps us out a little bit,

because your Graveman was leaving. I don't know. Awesome. Who? Oh, God. Not a trade. Terry Francona is taking a leave. of absence from Cleveland.

So he's gone for the remainder of the season. I hope he's all right. Yeah. Yeah, me too. He's had health stuff in the past. I hope it's not related to that. He's a stud. I love him.

Love him. Yeah, hope everything's good. Trev, what do you got on Oakland? Or I mean, on Seattle. Let's do Seattle's side of it first. It's so strange to me. First of all, I love Houston. I want to say, I love what Houston's done.

They've addressed, like, basically any hole that they've had on that team. So good on them. Seattle, I think, you know, DePoto said they need to wait and see the whole picture. So they went out, got Tyler Anderson. Now they got Diego Castillo to fill the Graveman deal. Then obviously the return for Graveman. So look, he's thinking next year. He's thinking two years from now.

Like he knows this is in his window and he's been operating that way the entire time. Like he's not going to acquire any rental pieces, obviously. He wants guys with control. Graveman was going to be out of there at the end of the year. It definitely stings in the club. house, but he still has time to make up for it. Like he has, he said wait on it. So we waited on it.

We just got the Castillo news. Like, I think the picture is becoming a little bit more clear. Seattle fans should not be looking like or being ready to pack any bags going somewhere for playoff series because I don't think they're trying to get there. Even with these moves. This is stacking their chips for next year or the year after. And they do deserve a little love for getting Castillo. I think if we were on the mics right now and that didn't just happen, which it just did,

I think we'd be really tough on Seattle. And that is one of those funny orders of operation. If they had done the Castillo trade and then Graveman, would we have cared at all? Probably not, honestly. Yeah, we'd have been like what? Like, I mean, especially before this season and maybe I'm a little biased, but Diego Castillo, when he's right, like, that's as gross as it gets. That's as gross as it gets in the MLB.

So, yeah, man. I think if you're a Mariners fan, obviously stung the past 48 hours or whatever. But A, you still got enough horses to go for whatever you're doing this year. And, hey, you might be able to pencil in your starting second baseman for the next like four years if Toro's the dude. Can I ask you a question? Always. What are the Ray's doing on the DAO Castillo? Who did they get back?

He's been saving games for them. He's been the closer. The raise? They don't care. I know they don't care. but at what point do the raise have to care? They've entered a sicko spot. Fairbanks just went to the IL.

Anderson's been out all year. They just trade Castillo. Those were their three horsemen last year. They traded for Nelson Cruz. They're like, they might be at a point where they're looking at the White Sox, Boston, and Houston, and saying like, maybe it's not us, so let's see how weird we can get in the bullpen. They just traded for Nelson Cruz. Like, they're going for it.

Yeah, no, they're, yeah. Yeah, it's just they have some other things happening. That's what's going on here for sure. They're so tight with the moves that they do. They think they're going to make their team better. Like for this year. I know, but at some point, like you just traded away a dude has been closing games for you. You traded away one of the only dudes who's been consistently starting games for you.

And going, you know, as a starter, you got crews. I get it. But, you know, I'm not counting the race out because I believe in their ability to do this shit. But at some point, are they just bragging? Like, watch this. I think so. That's kind of what it feels like. They, who'd they get in return for Diego?

I mean, he's got three years after this. It had to be something. Do we know yet, Peevers? I know J.T. Chaguarg, who I think we saw a couple weeks ago. Oh, Shags. I know him. Eat those 100 miles an hour. Okay, so he'll be lights out for the race. And the third baseman, who was the Mariners number 17 prospect, last name Shenton.

Hall of Famer. Probably switch hits, can play all the positions. But I'll give you a little shagwal kind of scouting report. I play with them in Minnesota, throws the shit out of the ball. Once the Dodgers, he needs a secondary pitch. But, I mean, the raise will figure it out. Like, that guy has a golden arm. It just needs to have someone work with them a little bit.

Figures, like, you know, iron some stuff out. So I bet he's got more than three years of control, or at least three. years. 2026, earliest free agent. So, yeah, they'll unlock him. And he's actually having a really nice year. 31 games for Seattle, three flat ERA, strikeout per inning.

He's hot, too. Oh, really? It's a hot guy, yeah. Ooh, okay, yeah. Like, he's got a little, he's got a bad boy look to him, Jake. I think he'd like him. Okay, I'm in.

Yeah. Wow. Wow. What a development at the end there. All right, Houston. We got to talk about the Houston side of all this as well. Yimmy Garcia is a rental, and then Montero and Graveman. Graveman's been so good.

I mean, Graveman has like a 0-8 ERA, I think, this season. I haven't, I don't know that much about what Yimmy's been doing. I love the name because that's what my coworker called me at Domino's. I mean, he was closing for the fish this year. So, I mean, any time a guy in a bullpen, I always call it like the bullpen, triple effect. If Graveman or Yimmy Click, which they also both could, and Graveman's been stupid good this year, then yeah. I mean, you just added a high, a high end leverage reliever, which every team's looking for. They address, they address, I mean, they didn't even really need to address this. I guess their

bullpen hasn't been great, but there's no holes in this team now, not one bit. Who's to say they don't go to Kendall and say, hey, we'll give you two years 16 on top of what we're giving you this year. stick around buddy you know let's let's give a two-week tryout we like them throw some money out of keep them around i mean i love this team you guys know i love this team they're making great moves yeah i mean they needed relief help we thought kimberl would go there

i guess tomorrow we'll be talking about where kimbril lands as the cubs are really unfolding a lot right now we've got to talk about where bryant lands tomorrow i mean sheesh sheesh for for montara but for ymiyke austin peruit wine i think they had just designated for assignment so soft soft tossing variety who can pitch i know austin show yeah good for him go get an opportunity wait where did he go he went to miami but the asteros had df a df a him so he must kind of just they needed i don't know

yeah innings eater guy good organization debt. The price for a rental relief pitcher and today, how they measure pitchers today, unless you are Kimbril or Chapman or one of those guys, like, it's not a big price tag. BBD. Big Eagles. John Aiman tweet. Mystery team has shown interest in Max Scherzer, but this time I'll end the mystery. It's the Angels.

Stop it. What? What? Why would you? Scherzer gets to pick. That's fake. Treve, you said it before we started recording. Scherzer gets to pick where he goes.

All right. Can I go into Scherzer stuff? Like, the thing is that I'm thinking right now? Because it gets pretty deep. Jim, thoughts? You ready to get deep? You guys weren't here last week. I know that you listened to it.

Jake. I don't know if you listened to what mine and Chris Rose's combo, Trev. I'd rather everybody mute John Heyman and never read a single tweet or put any stock into anything he says. Max Scherzer has full control over where he gets to go. And why the fuck? Would he go to the Angels? Every team's interested in adding them.

Wait, I can maybe give a reason why. But I agree with your assessment of that Twitter hand. handle. Max Scherzer, and this is all of my tin foil cap type thinking, but he has full control, right? He said he loves Washington. He wants to keep playing.

His kids were born there. They're established in the D.C. area, right? I mean, what's to say he's not telling them, line up all your offers for me. Let's pick out the best one together. I'll go there and try to win a championship the second straight, or excuse me, another one, my second championship.

and I'll do that for you if you guarantee me a contract in the off season. Like, like, who's to say that I mean you have like a handshake agreement in place already? He says, I'll come back to you. Get the best return you can, us run this shit back next year.

He can do that. He can do that. He was, uh, Roldus Chapman-Glaiber trade. Like, yeah, it was,

it was almost talked about when they traded Chapman at that time. Like, I think Cashman said, like, we're going to try and have him back after he made the trade. He was like, there's a good, don't you remember,

like in 2016, I think Cashman said something like, Chabman will, we're going to try our best to bring him back. So, yeah, it could be. If he wants to sign back with the Nats two-year deal and just stay in D.C. with his family, then. Yeah, he can keep his house in D.C. He doesn't have to, like, get up and move wondering where he's going to be.

And Rosie talked about that, like, three kids. I think they're all under the age of five or something like that. That's real life stuff. I can't fully comment on that. Treve, you might be our better source here right now for that. But, yeah, it's like a family decision and stuff. It's awesome though. It's literally like he has every single bit of control you can have, which is awesome.

And there's nothing, is there like something illegal about that? Is that like collusion? Oh, I'm sure. I'm just, I'm not saying this is actually happening people. I just want to say like in my minds like this. Well, I say if it's not happening, it should. If he wants to stay in, if he wants to say in D.C., like you can't really stop that. But he's going to the angel, so that's good.

and I think it's been a West Coast show so far in Seattle there's one other trade we have to check off the box Tyler Anderson that whole mini debacle looked like he was going to Philly he's now going to Seattle for Carter Binns Jim I'll let you give the scattering report on him and Joaquin Tejada Joaquin Tejada

yeah unranked prospect it's a show name 100% yeah Joaquin Phoenix like really good actor Like yeah Yeah, yeah He's a good answer

I kind of came out of nowhere right Yeah he kind He just like started to be like really good at acting No he started off pretty hot I mean you know Runs in the family Kind of went like your signs happened And you're like all right

This is cool and I like him And then I think he went Gladiator was after sign Before signs He was still like a supporting role No but he was so Hated in Gladiator Like you legitimately

hate his guts and that means the actor's really good. I used to do circles around Joffrey. Like, I hate that kid. He's probably dumb, stupid child actor. And then I'm like, no, his goal was to make me hate him. And that was incredible. Yeah. The problem is Joffrey's going to be typecasted.

And Joaquin figured out a way not to have that happen to him. Gladiator was before signs. Then Buffalo Soldiers was a movie that's not the bad. Yeah. Ladder 49 and walked the line. back to back. Great, great performances by Wauqueen. Okay.

Who did you ask for the scouting report on? Carter Binns, the 29th ranked catcher in the Seattle organization. How do you spell Carter? I think you got it. Vince. Aaron. Carter Binz. That's such a basic name.

Yeah. B-I-N-S is the last name, Mr. Bins. Mr. Bins. He's from Fresno State, so he's trying to follow the footprints of Aaron Judge, obviously. Yeah, bold up. Yeah, not hitting for power in AA at all right now. Slugging 156.

Tyler Anderson, good return for the Mariners. I looked at his game logs. He's got like a 4-3 or something, but he has two really poor starts. Yeah, don't look at reliever ERA. I might make a T-shirt that says... He's starting pitcher. No, he was starting. So he's actually gone, and C. Rose said this this this morning.

He's gone five innings in every single start this year. And then two outings, I think he got like a 10-run spot and then like a six-run spot or something like that. I was confusing him with our dude, Clay Holmes. Jim, you would. You would love his game log. I would. He has given them a chance in 16 of 18 starts.

I did this with Zach or BBD or someone. I went or maybe it was, you know who I did this with? I did this with Shoraco, producer of the Christmas. Rose. Because yeah, he hasn't. He's completed the fifth inning in every single start, Tyler Anderson, which is of huge value. Your favorite.

Well, it's just your favorite thing in the world. He's never going to beat up the bullpen. I mean, and he's gone six a lot. He's gone to eight one. So, yeah, I did this. I agree with you. I did. I butter knife these with Rob.

And he's better. Yeah. Yes. Hey, arms race. Seattle, this one is a little interesting because this is pure rental, right? So, I mean, I guess you're not, you didn't give up much at all, which is surprising because a couple teams were in on Tyler Anderson. So I don't, this one's a little bit of a weird fit. Strange, strange, strange.

Well, I mean, he was going to Philly and then the physical went south, right? On a prospect. I'm not on a prospect. So then Pittsburgh must have just went to Seattle and like, hey, everyone's mad at you for trade and Graveman. You want Anderson? We like Carter Binns. Yeah. And they must have said, okay.

And that's how it happened. I guess that's the surprising part. For that price tag and to go to Seattle, every team we've talked about could use Tyler Anderson. Yes. How many lefties does Seattle have now? Enough to party. They have like four starting pitchers that are lefties.

Yeah, you said. Sheffield's on the IL, but Marco Gonzalez, you say, and Sheffield was the other one. Flexen and Logan Gilbert? They're righties. That is a That's a weird video game rotation. All right.

Let's move on past that. Let's go to, this is a team that made just one trade. We think there's more coming. The Milwaukee, the Milwaukee Brewers. Pick up Eduardo Escobar. He's a true rental.

And in return, They trade Cooper Hummel, an unranked prospect, and infielder Alberto Soprian. Another unranked, very young, lotto-pick-type prospect is what I have here on my notes, to Arizona. So I guess Eduardo Escobar wasn't getting a ton of suitors. True rental, but that's like a not that much of return. I think there's just a lot of people available right now. and if you wait, I think if they maybe waited longer,

I don't know how this is all going to shake out for them because I do believe they're in on some other bigger names. But I think, I mean, Escobar is a great fit for them. Like, I mean,

switch it in guy, can play them any infield position. You know they kind of value that. And he just fit right into third base there. I mean, yeah, he fits in with the clubhouse and the environment in Milwaukee. Yeah.

He has a 107 OPS plus. So he's been above that. average hitter, but if you looked at the slash line, you wouldn't really think it because it's a 246 batting average 300 flat OBP and 478 slugging. So like by the skin of his chinny chin chin, he's above average. Yeah, he's got 20 homers. He's never been able to get on base to like an extreme clip. He's probably like a 320 guy over his career or something like that, maybe even lower.

But I think they're just looking at a piece that's going to make them better. They didn't cost a lot while they're still trying to go after some of the these bigger fish. Like, I have it on good authority. They were in on Joey Gallo. So, like, they're going, they're going after people. Yeah. From the Brewers, it makes sense. I mean, it's because you didn't give any, you gave up two unranked prospects and one, according to the notes we have, as, like, as lottery as it gets. So why not? I love it. Obviously, for my snakes, RIP, Eddie, it was a lot of fun. But yeah, I mean, Eddie Escobar, I always say is one of my favorite players to watch. I call him five to a light. Go look at his 2019,

where, hey, there might have been a little juice, juice in the ball. 35 homers, 831 OPS. This year, he got 22 homers in 98 games. So, I mean, that's no joke. Like, yeah, some of the others are a little light, but when you're talking about a guy that can play third base, second base, I think you're right. Like, in Milwaukee, that just finds a way.

Like, he will find a way. And how little that team's been hitting. And I think the other part of this move, which might be nice. And Trev, you're saying your little birdies are telling you Milwaukee still might be little. looking to make the big move. This can be a little chess.

Like, they can get Eddie Escobar. They gave up prospects. They don't really care about it. If we're being honest, I think the one guy has some really good on base stuff going in the minors. Good for you, kid. But, you know, Milwaukee, if they're trying to be in on a Trevor story, if they're trying to be in on a Chris Bryant, they can turn around and say, like, hey, you know, here's what we're offering.

We got Eddie Escobar. We believe in him. We're still looking to upgrade a little bit. But if you're asking for too much, we're not going to pay it because we got a guy. So I like it, man. Dude, if you look at Eduardo Escobar's numbers compared to what a lot of the Brewers are doing this year, he'd be one of their best hitters this season. Yeah, he's an upgrade.

I'm interested to see where it all sorts out defensively for the brewery. Because Escobar can, it seems like they're just full of second, short, and third baseman. I think he's going to play third base, and Urius is kind of in filling in there, and he can be one of the, he'll be the guy that. probably moves around and gives everybody else a break. You can give Adamas a break. You can give Wong a break and you can give Eski a break. Who's going to be playing first eventually?

I mean, right now, Tellez has been filling in, Telez. Tell us? Well, they're trying. Yeah, I don't know. We'll see. Rowdy raking as a brewer. Is he? Yeah.

He was O for his first like 20 and then he had a good series. 14 games, three homers, a 1.106 OPS. Okay. So got him off He does not like defense Got him off the bargain bin So yeah he had like Willie He had he had

That's funny Routy had two hits in his first nine games For the brew crew But in his last In his last six he's got nine hits Actually never mind Take that back I don't think he can play first base

Yeah He's kind of small So you think the brewer's got more moves coming Trem I think what Jake says is accurate. They have a move now. They've upgraded offensively. I do think they're like very, they're going after guys. I didn't even realize what they have, Jim. I think like, you know, they see this rotation in the back end of the bullpen. They know if they get into a playoff

series. They just need guys that can get on base and they can just hit a little bit. Like they have the rotation and the staff to get it done. And we just, I don't know. I mean, I do know they're in on guys. It'll be interesting to see if they value their guys enough or not enough. And I know we're not a huge prospect show. Cooper Hummel, my snakes. Career minor league, 389 on base, 805 OPS from the catcher spot. So he's 26. You know, hey, maybe he's one of those guys that kind of got caught up in a weird time last year with the COVID season. And probably, you know, if he was doing what he's doing this year, he's got a 942. OPS at AAA.

You know, what would we be talking about him if he had a big last year when he was 25? I don't know. But it's a flyer. Go snakes. They like him. They like him. They do. 435 on basis here at AAA.

Whoops. Yeah. Okay. What's next on our list here? Next on the table. We can go to... I think it's the Yanks. Well, let's go to the White Sox because the Yanks are...

We've got so much going on. The White Sox is a little tidier right now. Oh, there's a whole other page here. I didn't see it. Okay. White Sox, or Yanks are a little more fluid. Yeah. The White Sox, to be honest, both of these, one of them happened today and the other one, I don't know when it's happened. So I will lean on you guys for a lot of this because I'm not familiar with anyone here. White Sox got Caesar Hernandez. He's got a $6 million club option for next year. From Cleveland for Connor Pilkington. What a name. They also got Ryan Tepera. I was a rental. Is that you say it? Tepera? Yeah. He's a real.

rental for Bailey Horn. What do you got in this, Jake? Tell me what to think. I love me some Bailey Horn. Hey, Tepera has had a really solid MLB career at this point. He's only got one year that jumps out and you're kind of like, he is a little bit of a stinker in Toronto, but he was solid for the Cubs. He became a little bit of a joke because a writer accidentally gave him an MVP vote,

which was just a total accident because he's a relief pitcher. But, man, he's got a two-nine-one. ERA this year, 43 innings, more than a strikeout per inning. Hey, he's going to be a body for the White Sox, which we already like a lot of the talent in their pen, but it gives him another option. Comes cross-town, so he probably doesn't have to move in stuff. So that's pretty nice. Nice.

Yeah, I mean, I don't know, man. You know, it's a prospect arm. Who knows if he's got some. It's kind of funny because people in Chicago, I'm sure, we're freaking out. I mean, cross-town trade. If the White Sox were going to snag like a Rizzo or a Bryant or someone like that, that would have caused mayhem in the city. Then it becomes Ryan Tepera.

Who, BPD, you need to check this. I think I might have homer off him. He could be in the book. Didn't know that's what you were going to ask. I will go look. The Cubs are in for a tough time right now. Cubs fans, they got a World Series out of this crew. They were endeared.

They were falling in love. And obviously, we know the business side. And we know why they're trading a lot of people. and we said on our TPP before the season started that if the Cubs were sellers, it was going to be a fun deadline. And guess what? The Cubs are sellers and it's a fun deadline.

So they did trade Teperorah to the cross-town rival. I think that's not the biggest gripes on Cubs fans' minds. I think it's a lot of sadness and kind of weird emotions today. They might have moved down from Tepero and the Rizzo news dropped. Yeah. And Bryant had like, do you see the video of Brian? looking at Wrigley for like the last time That's very sad.

Treve, I don't see any regular season played appearances on baseball reference. Maybe it was in spring. In the bushes, maybe? I don't know, man. I just feel like, maybe it's another guy. You know, maybe it's tepish I'm thinking of. I'm sorry to pair of.

He, I saw it in there. Let me go look at the numbers. Okay. All right. Cesar Hernandez. They also get him. I know Caesar. You know Caesar?

A quality middle infield guy Like not going to lose you games with a bat Probably not going to win you games with the bat But he can play a nice second base I love I love watching him play second base When it was him and Frankie in Cleveland together Like they turned some nice shit

So obviously the White Sox need a guy at second base With magical out I think he can just rely on his defense I think he's pretty good defense I think he's really good defensively I mean just with my eye test I don't know what the metrics say, but playing with him, he's smooth. He can, he's good up there.

And that's what you, you need a solid middle infield. Love that. You, uh, you have homered off Teppish, uh, Sazon Hernandez, 18 homers this year. Yeah. Already had a career. So that's the, that's the surprise. Our guy Eno was tweeting about a little, because Hernandez, well, you're, what you're saying, Trev, you know, slick fielding, middle infielder, and he got on base.

The past five years he was getting on base at a 357 clip. This year, I think. think he's done some swing-path stuff because he's not getting on base as much, but he got some pop, 18 homers. Oh, and that was Eno's, that was the funny part of the tweet. Eno had his, however, he chopped up his numbers, he had like on base Caesar Hernandez, power hitting Caesar Hernandez, and his WRC Plus for both was 100.

So either way, how he was knifing it, he became a average MLB hitter. Yeah, the strikeout isn't even down. The hitting for average is way down on Hernandez, but the strikeouts aren't down. So it's just, I think what you're saying is a different swing path. Power. I think the bigger thing that I circled on this one was, we talked a lot of big names for the White Sox, and this kind of took them out of some of the infielded.

I mean, we'll see what happens in the next 18 hours. They're supposedly still looking in at story. Story and, you know, some of the big names, the White Sox were supposed to be in on Whitmerfield we talked about. So I don't know if this takes them out or not. Caesar Hernandez. launch angle last year, 5.6 degrees on average. This year, 11.8.

So exactly what you're saying. Makes a lot of sense. He started trying to lift the ball more. Fully from Eno. Yeah. Good job. Good job, Eno. Yeah, if this is all the White Sox do,

it helps them, and they already have a great team. And they're getting Eloy back. Right. And I think, he's back. And I think is Roberts on coming back? Lou Bob. Treves Lou Bob? Someone else is coming back for him.

Yeah, I've got so much talent. I think Lubbub's on the mend. I don't think he likes being called. So much talent. So who knows? He doesn't like being called Lubbub? That's the card industry, the hobby. That's the nickname there.

I think I read he doesn't like being called it. I'll never call Lubbub again then. Oh, I don't know. Don't trust me. Yeah. What's his name? Isn't it like La Pantera or something? I like that too.

Yeah, La Pantara. Yeah. Boom, boom. Fine. Boom. Um, Lou Bob sounds like, you know, he plays a center for the local Dallas high school football team. Yeah, Lubbub sounds a little too American form, maybe. Lubbub.

Um, um, uh, so he said that he prefers the nickname La Pintera, the Panther. Done. Boom. I'm only referring to him as La Pantara. Uh, Toronto got Brad Hand. Sure. What are they doing? I don't know.

Chris Rose came on last episode and was like, they should trade Simeon. They'd get a ton for them. Like White Sox, you want a second baseman? Go get Simeon. But for Blue Jays, it's a little hard because, you know, you want to retain the core. Obviously, you're not sellers at all, at all, at all.

But you do have some pieces like Robbie Ray is also, like if you think you're really not going to get the wild card this year or be in the mix for like, you know, ALCS, you do have two pieces there that you could get a lot back for. That's what Chris Rose came on and said, and it kind of opened my eyes a little bit. I was like, oh, yeah. Well, and Rosie's best point is this move is two weeks too late.

The Blue Jays have been having bullpen struggles all year. You know, a lot of these GMs like to wait to the deadline to make the action happen, and he pointed to Willie Adomas and how huge that's been for Milwaukee. If Toronto had Brad Hand six weeks ago, which he may not have been available six weeks ago, but someone of his ilk, maybe that changes. Maybe you flip two losses into wins or something like that.

So, yeah, it feels a little too little too late, and he is a true rental. I mean, they're giving up their 15th prospect, who's a catcher, and, you know, they've got a couple catchers in the way there, so maybe they just said that's not going to hurt them. So let's go get Brad Hand. I know we have a little bit of a distorted view of Brad Hand because we've... The Yankees, I said...

The Yankees have knocked him around. It's just a fact. I said that. The Yankees have like a 1.7 ERA against Brad Hand. So I have a very distorted view of him. I also don't like soft tossing relievers, but his other numbers are good. If you're the Blue Jays, how can you, go and sign George Springer, bring in Marcus Simeon, and then trade guys away.

Like, they sold those guys in the fact they're trying to win this year. Like, come play for us. We're trying to win this year. If you start to take away pieces now and sell these guys, it's going to be, you're going to have a hard time convincing free agents that want to go somewhere to win to come join you. You're going to have to pay more money. You already have to do that because you're in Toronto and taxes. So I just, there's no way they can blow this thing.

If they cannot trade Simeon, they can't do that. And that was the only other part that you guys talked about on the last talking baseball. Chris Rose, he said like Toronto wouldn't be in on signing Simeon. I think they could be. I mean, Simeon's had a big year. You could give him three pretty well-paid years before you have to start paying Vladie and Bowen those. guys, so I could see that happen. If they got something, it'd be

tempting. It'd be tempting. He's got a five war-rides? He's going nuts. What the Marcus? George Springer better walk into the office and flip a table over if they trademark a sent him.

Springer-dinger. Yeah. All right. Anything else? Let's see. There's a bunch of other rumors, but I think that's most of the confirmed ones. So we will pivot to some of the Yankee stuff.

Trev, this might be awkward for the live audience, but I think for the Rizzo stuff, we have not talked about the Rizzo stuff on Talking Yanks yet. So this conversation will probably get clipped and also posted on that episode. So for that reason, hello and welcome to Talking Yanks slash Talking Baseball. We got Trevor Ploof with us because we're doubling up an episode right now. It's like a crossover, and the Yankees have completed a trade for Anthony Rizzo for two prospects, Alcantara and Viscayano.

Is that the two? They're number seven and 12 prospects, I think, ranked out. And the Cubs are picking up all of the salary for Rizzo, so this does not hurt the tax at all, meaning there's still more moves that the Yankees will make. Trev, we haven't talked to you about the other moves, so we can do that a little bit first. The Yankees started by trading two prospects that were unranked, having really good seasons right now, and we're most likely going to lose them in Rule 5 anyway. Hoy Park and Diego Castillo, a different Diego Castillo from the race for Clay Holmes.

We talked about Clay on here because we talked about is the only other Clayton in MLB. they traded, they did that move because the next day they traded right-hand pitcher Louis Sessa, who has two years of control after this year, and Justin Wilson, who's a salary dump to the Reds for a player to be named later. And then they traded for Joey Gallo and Joelli Rodriguez. And now they have traded for Rizzo. So we've talked a lot about the Gallo move already, Trev, so I'm interested to hear your thoughts on it. It's four prospects for Joey Gallo.

They have him for this year and next year, all of next year. And then Joelli Rodriguez, who has been there eighth inning guy in Texas. He's a lefty and he has an option for next year, but they're most likely not going to pick it up. What do you got on all this, Trev? I think it's awesome. I think Cashman has answered a lot of the questions that I hear on Yankees' Twitter. We need to get left-handed bats.

We got high OBP guys coming over. over which people need to like realize that's a very good thing set the tables because it still is a whole run oriented team but when you guys have guys getting on base it's it makes all that so much better so i'm excited the whole money thing is pretty surreal they're able they were able to pull all that off while keeping kind of like their main guys intact having i mean so cashman like you kind of have to say like kudos to you and what you've done i love both these moves it is crazy I mean, yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. It's crazy that Hal Steinbrenner is telling him, you have to stay under the 210 luxury tax. And before everyone cries that the Yankees are poor, your team spends less money unless you're a Dodgers fan. 28 other teams spend less on their team than the Yankees. So it's so funny when other teams are like, the poor Yankees, it's like they're spending more money

than every team besides the Dodgers. And they're going to spend, they're going to go over the tax next year, while your team won't. So shut up. But it's so annoying. So annoying, Treve. They spend more than 28 other teams

and it's just like a how's the weather of baseball fans. Oh, the Yankees crying poor. It's like they don't want to get taxed 50, 50 cents on the dollar. Yeah. It's, it is still self-imposed. I get what you're saying. They do spend more. I think they should.

The Yankees can't afford it. The fans should be mad. Other teams shouldn't be making fun of the Yankees, though, because other teams don't come near the threshold. Yeah. So anyway, but it is crazy that Hal's saying we're staying under. The fans are saying, this is such a shit roster you've put together.

You have a ton of righty DHS. So what does Cashman do? He goes and gets two lefty bats. Gold Glovers. That are gold glovers. So you fix the left side of the infield. You fix the defense a little bit. You get the OBP guys.

And you get the other teams to pay for it. it because Howell's demanding you stay under the tax. So it is a really good dance that Cash is doing. He's getting rid of a lot of prospects. A lot of these prospects, we talked about it on talking Yanx a couple days ago, that the farm system was having a better summer than anyone imagined. And so many Yankees prospects just boosted their value like crazy in the last three months. So Cashman acted on it as fast as possible.

And they're not done. The rumors are void for a pitcher soon. Could be Barrios. It could be, I don't know. But, but, yeah. That's not enough for Bereos. Well, I wouldn't be all of it. Yeah.

I'll be our 15th best prospect, too. I want to say this. I want to say this. You guys are always telling me that the Yankees are missing, like, a voice, like an identity. You know, there's nobody there that's kind of like stood up and said, I'm the leader of the clubhouse. I'll be the vocal guy. Obviously, they have Judge and Gardner there, but Anthony Rizzo is going to be that guy.

Joey Gallo can be that guy. These are like physical presences. Rizzo's been to the ship. He's won the damn thing. He's been in the playoffs every damn year. He knows the pressure of all that. These are like also high character guys coming over. So I like, I love that for the clubhouse because you guys have spoken a lot about that lack of vocal leader,

a guy that can like be, you know, the guy that takes up after the game and says, this is what's going on. So this is, you know, it's just another thing that they bring to the table that I love. It's exciting, man. A, I can't believe they're not paying either of them this year. It is insane. I mean, when you just think about it, I mean, that feels like, you know, if you turn the video game sliders on for trades and it's like, all right, you pay for them. We'll give you a couple prospects. A, I thought Anthony Rizzo was going to the Red Sox. I was preparing for that. So the fact he's in Yankees, I still haven't fully processed to that. And man, I'm excited to watch him play some first base. Are you kidding? me should help labor out. My God. Platinum glove, by the way, not just gold glove. I mean, the Yanks haven't had that at first base in a long time. So I'm really excited to see

that Gallo. Where is he going to play? It's going to be exciting and fun wherever he does. Is he going to move all over, left center? I guess people thought he might get in the mix at first. That looks like it's out now. So I'm excited. There is a little bit of like, okay, so we're bringing and two big lefty bats after three years of not having them. And you said you kind of didn't believe in them. Well, at least they changed face. I'm moving past that. And man, the Yankees need a nine-game win streak in the worst way.

And I think when you've got these guys on the team now, and you look around and you win two in a row, you win three in a row, and you say, okay, we got Rizzo, we got Gallo, judges back. Like, if this lineup ever gets fully healthy, my worst. It looks like a video game. So I'm excited. I'm excited to see what the next move is. I wouldn't be shocked that they still try to put something in center field.

Because I know Gallo can play there, but I don't think they'll want to run him out there every day. Greg Allen's show. Love me some Greg Allen. But how can you not be excited for where we've been with the Yankees all this year and they go get Joey Gallo and Anthony Rizzo when, you know, we could have thought they would have done nothing at the, deadline and we would have been like, that's kind of fair. They kind of haven't deserved it.

Well, the Rizzo being a rental. Scares you a little bit. It scares me. Fair. Because this, like, I love the Gallo move because they have them for next year. This Yankees team has stuck itself a huge hole. I mean, they're three and a half game out of the wild card, but we're talking about being the away team in a wild card game.

That doesn't guarantee you shit. Now, they do have Garrett Cole. Well, yeah, I was going to say, I mean, you paid a guy. guy threw $1 million. That's that's your ticket. I know, but I'm saying, you know, it's two prospects. You'll never hear me really upset about trading prospects, but I hope the next move

that they still have room. They still have $4 million left, so they made that room for a reason, and they're making the Cubs and the Rangers pay these guys salaries for a reason. So the Yankees still have more moves to make. I'm hoping it's for a guy that has a couple years and is a pitcher or a relief pitcher.

But I need help for next year as well. So the Rizzo move, it came out of left field, so it's crazy fun. It seems like they kind of snatched them from the Red Sox, too, Jim. So I know Yankees' Twitter is happy about that. It's exciting. But, I mean, I just love the trade deadline. Like, when that drop, Jake was getting through, we were here.

And we're like, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, like. And then I'm like, wait, I didn't want a rental. So I'm like talking about it. I'm like, you just told everyone you don't want rentals, but I didn't know it was going to be Rizzo. But yeah, I mean, lefty bats, good defense. That's what the Yankees did not have. And they still stay under the tax. So Cashman is appeasing everyone that's been yelling at him for a past six months.

I love that for him. I do. I love the deals and sleeps outside, by the way. I don't know why that just is always, I've been drawn to it. For the homeless, it's like homeless awareness. So there is two party tricks. He does the outside sleepover and then he does the repelling or scallops, whatever. Repelling down a building every year.

I want to say this because I do have to leave. I am taking tell you to an angel game. I will report how Starling Marte looks in an A's uniform. Imagine Judge, Gallo, and Stanton walk into a bar together. Does every other guy just leave? I stay. I think you just leave. I'm in the wrong fight.

I stay. They're not going to fight you. Exactly. That's why I hang out. I'm in the clear. Those are some, those are some, I don't you know how to, a word to describe that. You had a tweet. Some alphas in every sense of, alpha's in every sense.

You had a tweet kind of go viral, Treve, that had some connotations to it. I just said that's a huge pickup, uh, Gallo is. That's it. That's got to be nice. Do you know his name translates to cock in Spanish? Really? Gallo, yeah. Interesting.

I didn't know that, no. Gallo, Rizzo. It's like Stans the five-hole hitter, I think, which is, or, because they can go Ritey, I mean, if they want to move Judge to three, they can go Rizzo 2, they can go Ritey, lefty, they can go DJ Ritey, Rizzo-Lefty, Judge Ritey, Gallo-Lefty, Stanton, Ritey, Gary Gabbard, Gio, like a righty stack at the back end?

I don't know how they're going to do it. Greg Allen, switch it up. Hit up those snakes for Citelle Marte and let's have a season. Get a pitch. Get a pitch. And some pitching. Get like just like if there's one more move, it's pitching, please.

Please. Send my best to Teddy, my godson. All right. Someone in the chats that talk Dodgers. They haven't made any official moves yet. But we will be doing this again tomorrow. Tomorrow we have the series recap coming out in the morning or we'll be live in the morning talking about actually on the field, which seems so secondary, but we will do it.

and then there's going to be a million more trades because there's so many guys still out there Bryant still hasn't gone Byez potentially Kimball Kimbril is definitely going to go Sherr'ser story These guys are on the move So we'll be back tomorrow to talk about all of those

But had to recap Duffy is official they're saying So Duffy to That's official I mean it came out He still heard That's like an August move Before the trade deadline basically

Because they don't have that anymore they're trying to get arms in September. If he's back, you know, he can be really good. We've seen it before. But we don't know the return or anything like that. I don't think we know the return. Oh, the Dodgers, 18 minutes ago, the Dodgers tweeted out. I think it said something, I think Pass and mentioned players to be named later

that will be like not traditional, like, throwaway guys. Like, they will pick a prospect they like. Duffy has made three starts the last three months. He's battling injuries injured right now. In all of his starts this season, he's been really, really good. But that's, that's, uh, that you got to, he's like still only thrown like 40 pitches. So it's a process. But they're like, well, let's just get around.

Waved his 10-5 rights. Good for you, Duff, man. To go to the Dodgers. Go get a ring, baby. I think, I think, you'd wave it for that. It's comfy. Yeah. It's comfy.

Is that what we got? Yeah, I think that's all. I mean, there was Schwabber news. There's, there's, there's, he's got to go. He's got to go. There's a lot of people that have to go. So we'll talk about it all tomorrow. But Treve, you have to go to the Angels game.

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