Talkin' Baseball (MLB Podcast) - 376 | MVP & Cy Young Favorites + Over/Under Check-In

Episode Date: August 11, 2021

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Hello and welcome to Talking Baseball. It is the midweek episode. It's August. Two thirds of the season are done, so let's check in on the awards, the over under, some bets. Hello and welcome to Talking Baseball, brought to you by Draft Kings. Thank you guys very much for tuning in. My name's Jimmy. His name is Jake.

Oh, my God. Trevor with the razor blade out in California. Just slashed your face, Jake. And BPD producing in the corner. We're doing our, you know, every two-month check-in episode here. We are going to go through and look at all the awards. Who's on pace to win MVP? I honestly don't really know besides, I think Otani.

Who's on pace to win Cy Young? Who's on pace to win rookie of the year? Silver Slugger, do you care? Batting title? I like that one. Even though batting average doesn't really matter. I still love the batting title. I still think that means something.

That's kind of a bizarre thing in my head. Anyway, Trevor, Jake goes first. How you doing, Jake? Ooh, Jonathan Ara Ouse. I'm good. Jim, Trev, BBD, everyone live in the chat. Everyone not live in the chat. And all the moms, man. You put up with some shit, man.

So I appreciate you every day. I'm good. I'm good. Baseball. Constantly hot in the streets. Dog days. So we're lagging it out. We got some big stuff coming.

we haven't fully announced it yet but we got some big stuff coming uh so a little teaser on that and we just announced some other big stuff yeah trav tell them well yesterday we announced a new podcast a met's podcast because we we are totally unbiased here jerry blevens with jolly all of it's called shay station and i'm stoked that we have a met's podcast we need to Edomette's voice here. Get him off my back. There's been a lot of my back. A lot of commenters were like, so did you guys,

are you just using them as a shield? It doesn't hurt. No, no, no, no, but yes. Doesn't hurt. But no, Jerry's awesome. And Jolly Olive, he's, uh, he's the go-to. Jolly's got a, Jolly's got his own YouTube channel. Yes.

And he's going to, and part of Shea Station, there would be a podcast that talks about the day ins and outs of the team. but there's also, he's going to do a lot of reflective, like video essay, fun stuff, like old Mets lore and Mets stories and shit like that. So go check it out. We'll have them on at some point. We didn't map it out perfectly, but we'll have them on the chat. But if you are a Mets fan or an NL East fan that plays, like a lot of Phillies fans,

if they had an episode come out last week, a lot of Phillies fans would have tuned in to drink their tears. Yeah. It's happens to us on talking Yanks all the time. So go tell your friends, John Mow Media, Mets podcast, Shay Station. very excited about it. They're going to crush it. Go, you know, support, subscribe. Early subscribers, early reviews, early ratings.

You know, as a company, we don't really ask for that crap a lot. But at the beginning, a big push at the start. Always helps. Show some support for the company and what we're doing here. Always helps. Always helps. Trev, we're doing some of your favorite stuff today. You and I live in the sports gambling space.

And we're going to circle up on. some team over-unders, the individuals, like Jim said, that is funny, batting title. Note it is, there's going to be someone one of these years that wins the batting title that's got like a 668 OPS, and then people are going to get hot. I wonder what the worst OPS to ever when the batting title is. It's hard to do that because typically your OBP is going to be enough to not make it like a six, right? There's got to be one that's like a low to mid-sevents.

possibly i think what's cool about the batting title is it's usually one by there's usually like a hitter in each generation that'll win a bunch of them and i think that's kind of cool like if it was a different person every single year it's not as cool like i know a tuve's won a few of them uh then obviously the guy that everyone looks to is like a rod carew who has what eight or something like that. Hot. Love that shit. Tony Gwynne probably has 50. 50 on the nose. Shout out Jolly Olive. I love that

the name. Where the hell did that come from? It's sick. It's close to his real name, which I don't know if we're allowed to share or not. Yeah. We'll discuss a... I'm Jack. I know that. Oh, wow, Trev. Well, that's out there. I mean, how would I know that? Who wasn't out there? Rod Karuru actually only seven batting titles. Soft. Oh, disgusting.

Who's the lowest OPS, Jim? I have to do math because the website doesn't have... They have their slash line, but obviously they don't have the OPS as part of the slash line. Speaking of math. We're a math pod now. Yeah, BPD, I don't know. What the hell? That's not what I said at all.

It's kind of messed up. That was messed up. BD, what was that all about? Just had to come clean about a few things. Like, make us feel dumb to make you feel better. That's not. what happened. I was just sharing a past life. I'm not that person anymore.

David Fletcher. D. Fletch right now. 308 batting average, 722 OPS. Slapp. Is he in the lead? No. I thought this would be easy to do, but the sheet has them all in one cell. We'll get it another time. Leave it in the comments. Someone just needs to take this, divide it, so then the slash lines are a different cell, and you just add. Freddie Sanchez.

That's too many. You just said too many things. Now Jimmy's trying to show up for BBD with the math pod stuff. I counterbalanced it. There's tense math stuff. I didn't even use it. I didn't even bring it. I did not even do the math section.

I didn't bring a calculator and I just said don't care. It's tough. I also did not bring a calculator or a pencil and I still scored well in my math section. So people forget about you, Trave. You're just really smart and really athletic. Go Cardinal. And a great father and a great husband. That part's true.

Stanford man. Excellent teammate. Good son. Well liked. Shit. Look at that. Got going. Lost a little early on in the minor leagues, but you're young.

You're figuring out who you wanted to be. Let's get into this. Okay. All right. So, Jake, we're going to do some of the standard awards, as I said. So we're doing standard and then team? Yeah. Okay.

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Yeah. Okay, let's talk about American League MVP. Is this done? This is short. Yeah, this is done. Is that the hot take? It's locked up. It's solidified.

If Shohei gets hurt. Shohei Otani leads the majors in home runs and total bases. He has a 1.039 OPS. Also has 15 steals. Also has 80 innings of a 3 ERA on the, mound. This is what I thought was going to happen in 2020 when I said if Shohei participates on both sides of the ball, he's a lock for MVP.

I was a year too early because he didn't really play all of 2020. I thought the shortened season would actually help him, like stay healthy and do it both. He's doing it for the long haul. At what point could he get, I don't even want to say it. No, and we want to phrase this the right way because obviously we would never root for what everyone is kind of alluded to. How could he lose MVP?

At a certain point, the angels are going to be out of it. You know, it's a long season. Even, you know, guys get banged up. At what point, you know, Shohei Otani is baseball's most valuable asset at the point. It would be interesting. It's kind of the Yelly Belly in 2019. They were going head to head, and then Yelly got hurt, so Belly ran away with it. So that would be the interesting point because Vladimir, we said this the other episode.

Vladimir Guerrero Jr. is having a special, special year. But, yeah, I mean, as long as Shohay's on the pitch, Led Tasso, he's got it. Yep. So it's like... On the pitch. If Shohay's playing through September 1, is he clear? Yeah, that's what that was going to be my question.

Yeah. There's no reason for him not to be playing. The only thing is, yeah, like an injury, which obviously we would hate to see that happen. But even with, like the yellow belly thing that Jake was saying, you know, that swayed it at the end. Even if Shelle, for some reason, rests, sits out. I still think he doesn't play the last month. And Vlad Jr. goes on and wins a triple crown.

I think there's an argument there that Vlad's. That's how you get the most conversation. If Vladdy wins the Triple Crown. And Toronto's got to go to the playoffs, I think. I know that doesn't matter in today's MVP, but I think for Vladdy in the J's, I think it would. Triple Crown To take down Otani Triple Crown which is already kind of arbitrary

Because no one cares about RBI Is the way they did back when they invented the Triple Crown I think it's going to be impossible to take down Otani's doing it on both sides of the baseball Matt Olson and Devers are also On the outside looking in But they're really on the outside I'll give them some credit because they're having great seasons

But it's It's Shohei and you feel bad For Vladie Because he's probably got an MVP season in so many other seasons. Vladdy's numbers are stupid. Yes. So then also, okay, we're saying Vladdy's numbers are so good.

Shohei's like right there. Right. Yeah. And he's pitching. That's crazy. Like even if Shohei wasn't pitching, he'd be in the conversation with Vladdy. Right. If it was just off.

Just offense. But he's also got a three ERA 80 innings pitched. Insane. That's insane. Let's move on to the National League MVP because this one gets trickier for some of the reasons. we were just saying. The front runners right now, Tatis, Turner, Muncie, and Freddie Freeman is what we have here.

Shout out to Erica who helped us prep for this episode. Wheeler. DeGrom and Wheeler. DeGrom's kind of with Tatis. I very much don't like pitchers winning MVP. I wish that they have the Cy Young. I understand at times like the MVP's, but if a pitcher is eligible for the MVP, no one looks at Silver Slugger the way they look at

Sy Young. So Well, I think there's a Hank Aaron Award, Jim. I know, but no one looks at that either. I, I, that's the point is. There is a Hank Aaron award for best overall offensive performance, but it's not this, it's not held in the same regard. I mean, at least yet.

Even Silver Slugger doesn't take into, uh, defense into effect. So the MVP, I mean, I understand when pitchers have special, special seasons that they can be up there. but I don't, they're not in the conversation for me unless they, like, really force it. And those pitchers haven't really forced it. So I like defense.

I like base running. I like hitting. I like that as the MVP because you do that every day. So it's Tatis, but he's out. Might be coming back as an outfielder. Trey Turner. That's a trade situation, which, you know, you see it happen, but is a little weird. Max Muncie.

This is a mess. Yeah, I don't know. No idea. This is going to be an absolute mess. we talked about this a little bit me and see Rosie the only one I mean if Tatis comes back

and finishes the season off and he's healthy he's going to win the NL MVP the only one that's closest to him in my mind is a Max Muncie just because what he's been able to bring to that team

if you look at his stats overall they're great his offensive stats but he's able to play defense and move around positions he's kind of been doing it all year as well but even he's kind of far off from those guys If you take Tatis and de Grom totally out of the equation,

then it becomes like, who knows? You know, you got to start talking about the winkers and the Castellanos and the Harper's. I think Harper's moved up there, but if you look at his overall body of work, he doesn't lead in any offensive category. He's really not even top. Dude, if the Phillies make it run and he keeps going, though. He's currently second. His odds, it's Tatis has the best odds to win it on draft kings,

and then Bryce Harper has the second best odds. I think that's Vegas cleaning up on recency bias. Like they're getting a ton of bets on Harper right now. For what? Like look at the overall, like tell me a category. Like he's not even close in homers. Runs batted in. He's not there.

I think they're cleaning up on the idea that Tatis doesn't come back and return to form. and Harper finishes strong. The other Vegas side of this, I think if voting happened today, I think Wheeler would get more MVP votes than Harper. No, he wouldn't. I don't think so.

Dude, the war is crazy. I know, I know the war is crazy, and I know that. People live by that. Like Jim said, you got to do something crazy. You got to do what DeGrom was doing. You got to do, who is the other people that won? Heraldander wanted.

Go look at those numbers. then putting up to wheelers. There's no way they're even close. I think either way. Gagne win it as well, or did he just win this guy young? Gagne. He just won a side young, right?

Either way, this conversation ends with whoever has the best six weeks. Kershaw. Clayton. He had a 177 ERA. Oh, my God. Verlander, he had a... The point of this whole...

This section here is we have no idea. Tautis if he comes back healthy, Yep, but other than that, it's going to be one of those MVP's that gets voted on and everybody's not happy about it except for the fan base of the guy that wins it. Harper does have Tatis and batting average on base percentage right now. And I think what Vegas is doing, Trev, there is they're getting people that don't believe Tatis will come back and be the same rocket chip that he was and that Harper's rocket is still like full force.

And I might be one of those people that would sprinkle some on Hart. because it's still really going under the radar how good he's been for the last two months. People are starting to notice, but... He's been good every single month except May. Yeah. He's a really bad May. Since June 12th, his last 48 games, he's got a crazy numbers. 340 batting average, 4.30 on base percentage, 660 slugging.

He's been on a 48 game heater. And the home runs are like good, they're helping win. The Phillies start going into like, you know, lock up that division. I don't know. I guess I've talked myself into Harper, but things will change. Yeah, I don't know. I'm looking at Kershaw's MVP year. It was the Stanton, or no, not even Stan had 37 homer.

Kershaw finished with an 8.2 war that year. In 2014? His MVP winning year, yep. This has it a 7-7. If you click over to the NL MVP voting, it shows it's 8.2. You know, it was Stanton with 6.5. It was McCutcheon with 6.4. Jonathan LaCroix with 6.4.

So if everyone lands in that spot and Zach Wheeler, his war right now, I think, is 6-1, if he finishes a high 7 in the 8th and we have this hodgepodge that we're currently talking about, the riders love that shit I don't know man you better be willing to put freaking Wade Miley in there too if he leads the Reds now how fun would happen he's sitting right

he's sitting right behind Wheeler and War so if you're going to talk about that would definitely hurt Weirer being a separator war needs to get on the same page because these two websites have Kershaws a 7-7 so it's just two different versions of the same status they need to figure that out like you know

there's F war and B-Wor Z-W I think Muncie's got a real chance if he goes off as well. If the Dodgers start clicking offensively and this guy has a big, like end of August and September, it'd be a great story. I don't know if he, I don't know if he gets enough, but I like him as a dark horse. Who's that? Muncie. Okay.

I don't know if he's sexy enough for it. We didn't really say his name. They'd have to win the division. Freddie Freeman's been going off too. Yeah. Defending MVP, people like stories. I go, I go Tatee. I think Tatees will still.

Tatees comes back and plays like how he was playing. Yeah. Tatees. He's going to play. Like they're not doing the surgery. He's going to come play. You just got to keep that fucking shoulder in the soccer. In there.

Let's go to Cy Young. In the American League, you have some fun. Because you have... You love this, Jim. You love... This is your favorite. I think Cy Young's your favorite award. I like Cy Young.

It's a pretty cool award. You know, who pitched the best that season. I think it's an easy formula. It's easier than hitting and defense and base running because it's the same thing. And it's results based. Like who pitched the best this season. Lance Lynn, Rodon, and Garrett Cole are your front runners. And I don't know.

I got to look at the stats, I guess. But White Sox having two of the guys seems pretty cool. Give me that split vote for Cole, baby. Ooh, you think they're splitting the vote. It would be funny if Cole won it. this year when he was so much better in 19. I also think they've gotten Cy Young wrong, a bunch in the last five years.

So I don't really have faith in the voters on Cy Young anymore. Like Cole should have won it over Verlander, and Verlander should have won it over Pomerantz. Or Purcellah, yeah. It's interesting if you look at the ERA, qualified ERA leaders. There's only one person in the top 10 that's, in the AL, and that's Lance Lynn.

Gordon must not have enough innings or something. I know Jimmy and I go on this rant probably once a week on here. Man, if Lance Lynn's ERA finishes head of shoulders above everyone, but if he doesn't have the war, or if he doesn't have, you know, the FIPP or whatever,

like, guys, I don't know how to break it down for you. Trev, you had a good point when we talked Zach Wheeler the other day, how his defense isn't good. The worst defense in the league. Right. How his numbers would be improved with the better defense. And there's a conversation there.

I'm willing to listen to some defensive stuff. But your goal is to not let the other team score earn runs. And Lance Lynn has just, like you said, he's with a bunch of NL boys who get to face a pitcher instead of Eloy or Gingcarlo Stanton or whoever your team's D.Hs. So if he is head and shoulders above the ERA, like, that's where the conversation would stop for me.

Yeah, it's, and you guys know I like looking at game log. Like how many games did they just single-handedly win you? But, yeah, I don't like when they discredit pitchers that pitch to contact. It's not a strikeout award. like it's it's not fielding independent if you're lance lynn and you know that you have a great third baseman and then you pitch you know righties inside or lefties away so that you can get induced more ground balls or third baseman that is smart pitching strategy and strategy if you're pitching in a deep ballpark and you turn it make them get a lot of ground balls not fly balls or if you're pitching in yankee stadium and you know that you can't pitch hard and away to righties that's smart like it's just sure you shouldn't be discredited to use the advantages and disadvantages that you get as a pitcher. So I mean, I don't like that. It's turned into who can strike out the most batters award.

Has it turned into that? A little bit sometimes, yeah. But that said, Lance's strikeout numbers are pretty good. The other stuff is there. Yeah. It's a 10.2 case per nine. Yeah, Lance Lynn is the frontrunner right now. Is Vegas say the same thing?

I think they have Lance as the one. Yeah, yeah. That would be so cool. It's Lance, then, and Lance, like, it's, like, really good odds. It's minus. Hey, how about Carlos Rodon, man? Go get the bag this off season, bro. Good for him.

Yeah, that is cool. Jeesh. Rodon has a 238 ERA. Lance Lynn has a 204. In 20-game start, he's a 204. Bullying opponents, so 200. batting average and a 573 OPS. Grabbing that dick.

Hmm. How do I filter by league on here? By league. I think we moved to NL. Sy Young. We talked about Wheeler a little bit. Can I ask you guys one question? Sure.

I did the pitchers this season, the most pitchers that have pitched six innings with two, six or more innings, two or less earn runs. How many games? As the most games, six or more innings, two or less runs. How many NL pitchers do you think are on the list before you get to an AL pitcher? 12.

Less than that. I'm going to say nine because that's what is. It's five. It's Kyle Gibson and Cole and then Bassett are 6, 7, 8. I think every year. I don't know if it gets talked about how much easier it is to get a free out. Four times a game. Different league.

It's talked about quite a bit. Yeah, I think. Yeah. We talked about Wheeler and all that jazz. Brandon Woodruff has been doing it. Corbyn's not on the sheet. That's weird. Walker Bueller, have an incredible year.

Every time you stumble to his page, it's like, oh, he's awesome. 18 games, six innings pitch or more, six or more innings pitch, two runs or less. 18 for Walker Wheeler. That's the most. 18 games. He went more than six innings, six or more. with two or less earned runs.

The next highest is 15 by Woodruff and Gossmann. Bueller's my pick still. I know Wheeler's having a great year, but that alone. He's an instant win. I get, it feels more open than you think after I go on a Wheeler for MVP speech.

You did put Wheeler for MVP. Now you're saying that Bueller's Say Young. I didn't say that. That's an interesting take. Whatever. I didn't say that. I did. Here you go.

I had Walker Bueller plus 1,500 as a sprinkle bet to win the NL Salyam this year. You had that? I did. I love it. Well, Wheeler's the favorite right now. Yeah, Wheeler's still the favorite. Both of them can have to pitch their ass off. The rest of August and September, because the team needs it. These two teams are in dog fights. So I think that's really cool when you have these guys pitching so well and knowing they have such big meaningful games coming up, that means we're going to see like extra moxie coming from walker those pants are going to be so tight so tight that is fun that is fun yeah if you do if you bump it up to seven innings

pitch or more two or less wheeler's the favorite he's got 11 wow that's fucking walker's got eight talk about the team needing that you know the philly's bullpen yeah that he just and he just went complete game shuddy too Yeah. Oh, man. Yeah, a couple more he's there. That's an interesting one. I think it's Wheeler and Walker,

and I think there's going to be a lot of people upset about Woodruff. I don't know. And Al Central can't produce another sell. Young winner are frauds. Oof. I say that lightly. Don't forget fucking so mad at me. It's a joke.

It's like probably 65% serious. 35% joke. A joke. Oh, dude, the NL Central is the easiest division to pitch in. I don't think anyone's going to argue that. Tubbs look good. Yeah.

Okay. Thank you. Reds are good. Yeah, the reds are good. Where do we want to go next? Batting champion? I think so. We can go quicker.

You can go quick. Yeah, just. This is a crapshoot. Right now, it's Yulu, Yoriel, Michael Brantley. It's a mate. In the AL. Brandly's got 329, Uly's got a 324. Cedric Mullins is right there with 320,

and then Vlad, he's got a 318 batting average. I do like, I do like the batting average race. It comes down to the last couple days. And then math gets involved where you can trade. You can trade games for, like, outs or whatever. What's your feeling, Jim? Say you were, you know, one of the best hitters in the league, and you knew that if you sat out the final game,

There was no way somebody could catch you. They'd have to go seven for seven. But if you just sat out, you were going to guarantee you're guaranteed to win the batting title. Team race has already decided. What do you do? I sit out. You've earned the right to win the award. Like if, you know, if there's like a-

In the stands there to see you? The one time, your nephew? I think you go for you. I think you trust in your shit enough where you say, I'm going to go out. there work a walk or something i wouldn't get mad at a player if it's one game and there's nothing else that matters and they can win i mean they've earned it they just play in a full season and we're the best hitter batting average wise in the league they can sit out one game and

get their award i understand that there's a lot of valor in playing and going out there and just like competing and i would i would clap for a guy that did that but i would not shame someone for sitting out one game to secure a batting title champ. I think I figured it out. You start the game. You do your first at bat. If you get a hit, awesome. If you don't, you roll your ankle on first base.

So yeah. That's a great plan. Oh, for one, wouldn't matter? Yeah. Okay, then do that. Because then you can get an applause too. And I don't think people would care. I think as this is what I think.

I think as a manager, it's your job to make sure you make that decision for your player. you give him the one at bat I'm going to give you one at bat your asses coming out of the game I'm going to get you the ovation you deserve that's that's the key managers don't do anything else so might as well do that

okay I don't like the buying out stuff when you miss enough games but you can trade out you hit 360 but you need 500 at bat oh yeah no you have to qualify I agree with that yeah I don't like that go get it's Cedric Mullins He's third right now.

I guess Brantley and Guriel teammates, that's fun if they stick it out. Mullins right now, we talk so much about Vladdy and how he deserves an MVP. Mullins is like 0.04 war behind Vladdy. Mullins is having an awesome year and it's tough to reward guys on bad teams. Leads the league and hits, Moly. Get him the batting title. Sure, yeah. I'm reading for Brantley.

Okay. After smooth. Why do you hate everyone else? I don't. I just really like Michael Brantley's approach and like demeanor and everything about him. Nice guy. Yeah. Ale Central.

Good nickname too. The Brantman. Yeah, it's not it. But yeah. No. Dr. Schmeet. Literally just said it. NL's kind of hilarious.

Yeah. Adam Frazier, Trey Turner and Castianos all are within one point. 322 for Frazier, 321 for Turner. and 320 for Cassiano's. How about Frazier and Turner competing on their new teams? And now it's like the NL West batting championship, but like they didn't do half of it there. We were a week removed.

Dodgers fans and Padgers fans fight over Turner and Fraser, even though like that's some real prison guard experiment stuff, you know, when they just said you're a prisoner and you're a guard, the Stanford Prison Experiment. man. They made a movie about it. You know what I'm talking about? I know what you're talking about.

Go on. Well, because like these guys just came to the team and now like Dodgers fans, if they were in a batting title would probably be getting in fights over. And it's like, hey man, like, your team's trade. That's your guys.

You're not like, you know. That's sports. Yeah. Well, I get it on a team level. Team wins of losses, but like, you know, just like Fraser and Turner. I'm trying to think if someone came to the Yankees, you guys would like, oh yeah.

And it's kind of like, Kluber's no hitter. I, like, very didn't much care about it at all because I don't consider him a Yankee. And I said that during it and after it and all of that. I got crap for it. Definitely a Yankee. And we're going to remember the 10 games and be like, whoa, that guy was a Yankee? Oh, yeah. It's kind of good. You're going to remember him winning the CS MVP.

No, the Frazier part is really funny because I think before Tatees got hurt, we were wondering if he was going to play every day. And it's, oh, he's going for the batting title. So there's a little new age baseball. there. I'm going to take away Frazier and Turner both from this equation because they're now facing much better pitching. Oh, I love that. Tras. Yeah.

I don't think either of those guys stands up. Castellanos has a chance. I'll give you my dark horse. Please. Not really dark horse because he's in fourth place right now. Gene Shigura. The dude can just stack together four hit games. Thick. He could get there very quick. I don't know. Is he fast

anymore? He used to be fast. I don't know. He's pretty short. If I had to guess his baseball savant sprint speed, I would guess literally 50. I would guess 61. Because I think when he gets going, he's a ball. His top speed's still good. Sprint speed 51, baseball savannah. Hell yeah, Jake.

Wow, nice. I know how my short thick king's blue baby. I had the one. God, you know, he just, everything's moving so fast, but he's not going anywhere. Well, no, it is. Tell me that when I ran. Those long leg sprinters once they start going. And Justin moves differently than me.

He glides. But those first couple steps, I'm there. All right. Don't look. Don't look. How many bags do Segura have this year? Stolen bases, Gene Seguera. Yeah.

14. 11. He's got seven. But 190 on the career. So he slowed down quite a bit. Sold 44 when he was 22 years old. I remember him as a base dealer. He's not that anymore.

Yeah. Only caught ones. He's just Gerardi's best friend. Go get a Castellanos. He'll have a good speech or something. Oh, my God, you guys. What? He got him listed at 510, 220.

Yo, he's not 510 too. We saw him. We were sitting in the legend seats. So we were on the same ground as him. And, yeah, Gene's server. And I think they had that Short King's measuring contest and he went over to officiate it and I think he heard himself anyway.

I think Gene's coming in 5-8-225. Which is well built. That's how I like that. that. He's got 64.5 in the bag with another 14.85 coming his way. 99th percentile, that's above average.

I'm going to, I think I'm going to make a website, and it's going to be called RealHight.com. And, I mean, NFL has the combine. Joe Rogan, everyone wants to know how tall he is. The Combine. 5-7. Measures the players in front of you with cameras. You know how tall guy is.

It's there. Baseball, there's no combine. It's just straight lies. Straight lies. Trev, was your stats ever wildly different than you? Or was your height weight honest? They gave me 6-2 when in fact I'm like just above 6-1. So they gave me like basically an extra.

So they's rounded out. Probably gave me like three quarters of an inch, yeah. Would it be fair to say that every baseball player is probably just rounded up or added one inch? Spikes. Yeah. What do you think the percentage of baseball players whose height listed on the scoreboard is Accurate. Maybe half.

Something like that. Yeah, I was at like 20. Yeah. I don't know. I mean... I think I would say most baseball players are spikes height. I think most of that is spikes height rounded to the, up to the next inch. You got to keep like the height ratio there because other teams are like, oh, that guy's six two.

That guy's six four. They don't know your real height either. Yeah. Yeah. That's what I'm saying, though. It makes sense. You hear thick boy Trevor Plouf is six two. You're like, oh, he got juice.

My mom tried to have me lie on my driver's license. She told me to round up because I was like 5.7 and a quarter. And I was like, I don't care, mom. Just put 5.7. Yeah, that's nice. Never really cared. There was a, the reason I brought Joe Rogan earlier, there was like a plane flying around, L.A. Yeah.

Or like, it might have been like, they wrote it in the clouds, like one of those things. And it said, like, Joe Rogan. in his 5-3. Like that was kind of strange that they just did that. But I didn't know that. I knew he was short, but 5-3 is like... I don't think he's fight. I don't think. I think that they're like being, like, taking a shot.

What Jimmy just did. What do you think he is? Five-mile, hour height. Five-seven. So, yeah, that's your NL batting time. Five-seven is, uh, yeah, five-seven on the internet. We got some rookie of the year stuff here, too. If we hit that quick.

Sure, they do this on Farm to Fame. They have, like, been keeping track. of it all year with Peter and Kelsey and Maddie Mass over there. So if you want to stake him track of work with the year, it's been, it's been wild. Your dude and the NL has had it. He's got someone on his ass right now, though. Trevor Rogers for the Marlins, having an incredible year, 245 ERA, um, 129 punchies.

He's been lights out. He got hurt for a little bit. He's back now. And while he was out, Trev fell in love. Jonathan, India. I mean, he's approaching all JM second baseman team. a 402 on base. I know that speaks to you, Trevor,

especially for a young dude. And Dylan Carlson trying to throw a Hail Mary out there. But I think right now it's a two-horse race. Yeah, it looks like that way. Good stuff. All right. American League, Adelis, he was the All-Star. He came down a little bit, but he's coming back up.

Kiel Badu. Eric Haas is a fun. story. Go look that up. How many homers he's hitting after not being called up since May. And Classet, your guy, Treve. He's qualified technically. And he's disgusting, but... He's filthy.

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Trevor is scared of Ashland. I'm not. I told her that. Like, she's only scary on the internet. I met her. She wasn't scary at all. Very nice. She thought.

Okay. Wow. Well, I don't know about that. Still hasn't broken the printer with a hammer. She should do that. It's good therapy. Well, it falls in your court. Ash.

All right. Last time we did this was on June 22nd. How do I know? Because I had the sheet up. And we are keeping track of this. And we all made our bets at the beginning of the year on if teams would hit the over or the under. total wins, if you're unfamiliar. And we kept track of it.

Jake was looking really good on June 22nd. And some teams have bettered themselves, Trev, and other teams are worse. How do you guys want to go through it? Do you have a preference of who we talk about? I think we should go through it pretty quick. Maybe the ones that we all agree on. We've got it. We've got it an alphabetical order.

And I think some you just, like my snake. they were under, they stay under. I think that's all we got for. And I think that's like, you can lock that in. They are not going to win 79 games. Their best case, according to baseball reference, is 60 games. So, yeah, that's going to be tough. Yeah.

The Atlanta Braves, we all went over. We were all under on the D-back snaps for us. We were all over on the Braves. They've gotten better, but... The over under at the beginning of the year is 91.5. Baseball reference has their best case. at 89. Is the East going to be one with, if you win 90 games, do you win the NL East? Yes. Maybe. Yes.

They're on pace for 82 wins. In June, they were on pace for 77. So, you know, obviously they've on the up. They've improved. But I still think the under is safe. But I'm rooting for the over because that's what we bet on. We all agreed. Feel safe. Orioles under is still on pace for the under But the under was 66 Their best case is 65 So it's not locked Still in play still in play They Orioles have a nice September They can get there

That's locked guys Wow You guys did a good job I picked the over just you know 66 is a small amount of wins Do you see Buster only Went out them pretty hard today? Yeah like Orioles are on pace for their third 100, 100 lost season or something like that.

And he's just like, this is unacceptable in sports. So many teams tanking. It's like, damn. Yes. Got a buster. Whoops. Yeah, they did have a good 2020, but that was kind of a fake season. Right.

The Orioles are on pace to lose 106 games this season. And in their previous two seasons, they lost 115, two full seasons. They lost 115 and 108 in 2018 and 19. This is unprecedented, unprecedented in AOL. AL history. When the players union cites non-competitive behavior, the Orioles could be Exhibit A. It's just wrong.

So he wants the CBA coming after the Orioles. Get him, Buster. That was a powerful sentence by Buster. Yeah. Yeah. Damn. Hot. All right. The Red Sox, they were on pace for the over.

It was a low bar. It was only 80 wins at the beginning of season. Jake and I went under. Trev went over. Looks like the over is correct. So there bounces us right out. Treve, we were right on the Orioles. you're right on the Red Sox.

At least. This one, the next one's fun. The Cubs, the Cubs were on June 22nd. The last time we did this, they were on pace to win 88 games. The over under was 79 and a half. I took the under. Jake took the over. Trev took the under.

They are now on pace to win 74 games. They went from 88 to 74. I think that's the biggest drop. Obviously, they were bad, and then they traded everyone away, and now they're going to stay bad. Their best case is 82. West Coast trip will live in Cubs' infamy for a long time. And we talked about it.

Everybody knew that was going on. He benched by as to get them fired up for the West Coast trip. That had a bad West Coast trip and see ya. That's not locked because their best case, according to Baseford and says they could get back on the over, but I'm going to lock up. Back up some Domino Central wins. I'm going to lock that one up.

I'm not locking that up. Let's get 80 Cubs. White Sox. We all agreed on the over, 91.5. Good for us. And it was projected to be over. Actually, they've stayed the same on June 22nd. Their pace was 96 wins.

And now on August 10th, their pace is 96 wins. Yep. Good for them. Reds. 82 and a half. Jim, you and I were on the under. Trevor Plouf was on the over. That's gone.

Holy smokes. They might be one of the bigger improvers. They were on pace for 80 wins last time we checked in. Now on pace for 87. They are playing a good brand of baseball. Their energy feels a lot higher than 82 and a half. That's looking good for T-Pain. Yep.

Good job, Trev. Hot. Thanks. Indians. Last time we checked in on the Indians, they were on pace for the over. They were on pace to win 92 and a half games, and the over-under was set at 81. one, Jake and I took the over.

They're now on pace to push, basically. They're on pace for 81 games. So that one is very much in flux, the Cleveland Indians. The over under was 81.5. Don't leave out the hook, maybe, because that could mean the difference. Well, yeah, yeah, but that's so tiki-taggy for what we're doing here. But yes, they'd be on pace for the under by half a game. It's going to come down to the wire.

Rockies, Jake and I took the over. Trev took the under. Trev loves unders. They're on pace for the over. I think they're going to hit the over, right? Those home field Rockies, baby. They've been nasty. That's a lock.

Rockies are going to hit the over. Let's go. Jake's rocks. Good job. Yeah, all they need to win is with nine more games. Never say never, but. The Tigers, Jake believed in our friend Ray, who said don't sleep on the Tigers.

They're over under at the beginning of the season was 65. Jake was the only one that took the over. And they, I think that's, kind of locked. I think the tigers are going to hit that. That's locked. Bam. Locked. Astro's locked. We all agreed on the over. It was 86 and a half. It felt light. It was light. They're on pace for 95.5

wins right now. 86 and a half. What were they thinking? I think maybe they thought the same thing with the Cubs. Like they were going to get rid of some of these guys. I don't know, man. Maybe the pitching they didn't think was going to be as good, but they've just kind of hit on all cylinders. It made too much out of the going. They were technically under 500 last season. Regular season. Regular season was bad last year. Yeah. The, who's next? The Royals.

71. This one's one that's going to be tight. We all took the over 71. Wow, this one. We're Royals fans, fellas. They were on pace for the over. And now they're on pace to be right around. it. They're like the Indians. They're right in the line. Yeah, we gave them credit for making moves in the offseason when a lot of teams stood pat. So we're like, okay, let's give them the benefit of the doubt.

And I think that's a soft ale central. And I guess they're part of that. Them are the Indians. I need one to get over, babe. Yeah, I think that'll happen. And they didn't fully sell out. Like Santana, Benintendi. You know, they could have emptied out the house a little more.

So that's going to be an interesting one. Angels over under was 83 and a half. Jake took the over. Me and Trev took the under. They are on pace to win 81 games, which is the exact same pace. They were on June 22nd, one and alike, because the Angels beat teams that are worse than them and lose the teams that are better than them.

And we'll finish at probably 81 games. 15th best team in the league, baby. I think maybe next year they're going to be good. Isn't that what they always say? Yeah, of course. I want to see their schedule. If they finish with like two bad teams, maybe they'll have a shot at it. Now, the Dodgers are interesting.

It was so high. It was 101 games. We didn't know the Giants were going to be what they're doing. And we all set over, but that is not looking good. They're on pace to win 96 games. Their best record could be 102, according to baseball reference, but his one's looking like we're all going to get it wrong. I don't know if the Dodgers is going to win.

Do you guys still believe? The September schedule, James is cake. Especially at the end, they go with a bunch of, they have Arizona and Colorado a bunch in September. They end with the Padres, who, whose fate will probably be sealed

by then, so they'll probably be prepping for the wild card game. And Milwaukee is also probably prepping. But it wouldn't the L.A. be prepping? Or are they still going to be battling the Giants? I think that's... It depends. Yeah. I mean, I think they're still going to be going for the Giants in the division.

Where you can be optimistic. They got Scher's and Turner. They still haven't been like fully healthy. Trev, you just gave your Bellinger speech if he figures it out. And like they should be in pursuit of the Giants for a little while if not trying to put them in their rear view. It feels like we haven't seen the Dodgers like 100. Did they start this season really hot? Were they like 13 and 2? Or was that last year? That was this year, right? So like that was really hot. That was the last time. They were hot. Yeah. Fangrass still hasn't projected to win the division,

which they're four freaking games back right now, and they still haven't projected pretty heavily to win a division. Interesting. The Marlins, 70 and a half, we all took the over. I think we're all going to lose on this, especially with the NLEs now becoming a three-team race and them having to play them a lot. I think the Marlins.

This is close. It's close, but I would guess. Rack up those Nats wins. The Brewers was 82 and a half. We all took the over, and I think that's locked. Locked. Ooh, the twins, 88.5. We all took the over and that's locked as the under big time.

The Mets. What is you doing, baby? Mets, 90 and a half. We all took the under. And that's locked, basically. Yeah, that's locked. 90 was high for them from the jump. Well, they were on pace for that in June.

Last time we talked, they were on pace for that. They've got their brutal schedule coming out. they'd have to survive that and get really hot, but it's close to locked. Yeah. Like you said, AL East. NL. NL East, 90 wins. Yeah.

91 wins. Same story with the Yankees. We all took the over at 95 and a half, and that is looking like the under is going to get locked at 95.5. They'd have to get hot, too, but. Live hot, yes. Baseball reference has their best, best chance at 93. Come back, Rizzo. We kind of got going.

Yeah. Any other interesting ones? The A's 87 and a half. Treve and I were on the over and that's looking good. Looks really good. Looks really good. Nice. Ooh, the Phillies.

Wow. The good one. Phillies were on pace for the under in June. It's 80 and a half. They are now on pace to finish at 85 wins. And their worst case, according to the baseball reference, is 80. So that one's looking good as the over. Got Gibby.

That looks good. Pirates. Holy smokes. That one's going to be fun. 56 and a half. I believe in them. Let's go. Currently on pace for 59.

They were on face for 58 when we last checked in. That's going to be a fun one to watch down the stretch. They have their worst case at 56, and that would be the under, but barely. Yeah. I mean, it would, that one's going to be tight. That's a low number. Padres, 94 and a half. Uh, currently on pace for the under.

Trev, you're the only one that had them for the under. Interested to see when Tatis comes back. Interesting to see if they get any juice down the stretch. On pace for 92 right now. Uh, so they're in the ballpark. San Francisco, Jake and Trev on the over because we loved the coaching staff. Uh, that one is locked in. They're over under with 75 and a half.

They have 71 wins right now. That is disgusting. Oh, so they've. hit it. Basically. Six games. Five more wins. That's the most locked of all the locks. The most locked of the locks. Maybe the devax under. Yeah. Also. NOS, baby. Meriters, 72 and a half. They are still projected to go over. They're above, they're 59 and 54. They're on pace for 85 wins. That's close to a lock. Yeah, that is. That's close to a lock. Good job, Mary.

J. P. Crawford, you believed. Oh. paid off. Jakey. That was a fucking Hail Mary by me. St. Louis Cardinals. Wow. Speaking of another Hail Mary by me.

They're one game under 500 right now. Their over under was 86.5. I've been asking for their nine-game win streak. That's what they need to do. Rays were 85 and a half. Free money for me and Jim. Trev, you were so mad at them for their off season. I was so mad at them.

You're so salty. How would you continue to do it? And they just said, here, this is how. And then Trev, the final one, and I can't believe this because they were at least favorite organization. Texas Ranger 67. Me and Jim were on the under. They were currently on pace for 56. Jeez, Texas.

That's awful. You know what I did there? I did the Jake thing where I said if they're over, I'll be happy that I got my thing right. but if they're under, I'll be happy because they're the worst one organization in professional sports. That is Jakey Betts. Try to find a way to be happy.

Yeah. Especially now that Gibby's gone. I could just unload on the Rangers now because I don't care. Gallo's gone. Gibby's gone. I still like Willie Calhoun. Love you will.

You got to talk to Moyland. He was hyping the Rangers up on Farm to Fame. The picture. He doesn't know anything. Oh, okay. That's fair. That's fair. And closing notes.

This one's tough right here, guys. Blue Jays. Oh, wow. We all went under. The under at the beginning of the season was 86.5. We said, I don't think so. It's going to be a competitive A.L. East on June 22nd, at a pace of 81 wins, and they have bumped that shit up to 88.3. Currently on pace to go over, we'd all get it wrong.

But that one's still in the air as well. That's going to be tight. They got to stay hot. They've been living hot for a couple weeks. They did add. that would be tight and oh man gnats how do they suck me in every year I went over you guys went under

that's a lock it's a lock that's a lock 84 and a half I dropped from getting 15 right to 13 and I'm mad about that I think I dropped too it'll change again my friend like the seasons

baseball in the northeast not in San Diego Right. All right. I think that's it. Yeah. Appreciate you. Guys, those are your betting updates.

I guess we got to do this again like last week of September. We've been doing it every two months. And I know it's going to be a crazy race at that time. But this will also be interesting because the pirates right now seem like they're going to be up against it. Like it'll be fun to see which teams are going to be up against it last week of the season. Call up Cole Tucker. Call up Cole Tucker. And you will succeed.

Yes. Bye. Love yeah.