Talkin' Baseball (MLB Podcast) - 397 | Must-Watch Games & Checking Our Bets

Episode Date: September 29, 2021

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Hello and welcome to talking baseball. It is the last midweek episode of the season. We got some overrunners to look into and some must-watch games coming up. Let's do it. Hello and welcome to talking baseball brought to you by Draft Kings. My name is Jimmy. Sitting next to me is Jake in California. We have Trevor Ploufen behind the dish producer Big Baby David.

And I think this is the last midweek episode of the season. Trevor will be out here in a week's time, and then for us, begins live streaming season, and every single day episode season, and post-season season. And I'm excited for it. I'm nervous about it. And I am wondering what's going to happen

the last six days of the season that might be of interest to people. I think that's what we're going to talk about today. Jake, how are you doing? James, Trevor, BPD. Yeah, excited. Trevor's coming out. were just scheduling some dinner plans.

Man, yeah, we're here. We're here, Harry. I feel like the next midweek episode or whatever we're going to have to plan is giving out, you know, it's going to be a black tie affair. We're going to be giving out the all-j-M team for this year. So, you know, that'll be after the season and we'll get our trophies ready and all that. But it's playoff mode. playoffs are already starting. We're going to talk about that a little bit.

You know, they already started last week. Yanks and socks. We got a couple big series, and we're going to check in on our awards. We pick some winners for you before the year. That's egg-siding. And, man, a couple other sneaky races we just looked into. A little batting title chase ex-lovers. Trev. How are you? Jacob, James, Big Big Dong.

everybody listening and watching. What's up? Tuesday. This is a Wednesday episode. I always like that. It's like we're time travelers. That's kind of what I think about when we do these episodes.

Like we're in the future right now. It is plaguing us a little bit right now because tonight, as people are listening to this yesterday, was I believe, the most must-watched game. Like if we were live right now, I'd say tune into Philly's Braves, but as I'm saying this, people know what happened.

If the Phillies lost, I think their season's over. If they won, then tonight, Philly's Braves is must watch. Yeah. I think we better just give our predictions right now. Just when it's here, just tell me what's going to happen. Give me the score and the winner. I say Phil's win tonight. I think they find it.

Their season's on the line, the Braves isn't, wheels up. Phillies win 3-1 tonight against more. It's Wheeler Morton? Wheeler Morton? I have it as in the first three innings, it's lopsided affair. And then a comeback, but not a full comeback. I don't know which way it's going. Someone's up four nothing after three.

And you're like, oh, no. Then it might become like, you know, four three. And then the next team makes it seven three and it's done. No lean on which team that is. I just have the game script. The game script. We got the flow of the game. what actor saying that it's.

You've got a hat on, Trev. I do, and here's my dream scenario is that the Phillies win tonight. So I'm going to go with you and back Wheeler and the Phil's. I think they pitch to Harper when they shouldn't. He might hit a bomb.

And then I think our guy, Max, just goes and shoves. And then that ends the Philly season. Okay. All right. Well, I'll go five to three. Five three. three to one, seven to three.

We all have threes involved, so that's huge. I, we have a couple other games and matchups down the way that we think have a little more meaning behind them than just a single game. We'll get into that. We are going to do our update on our over-under at the beginning of the season. We all took over-under on specific teams. The last time we checked in was on August 10th. So we're going to update that. We also have some prop bets that we said at the beginning of the season.

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All right. We, the way we've done this in the past, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12 teams. At the beginning of the year, what it feels like so long ago, the three of us all agreed on the over or the under for these teams. And I'd like to let you guys know, we're going alphabetical because we're CronPod. The Arizona Diamondbacks, they were 79. That was their over under, 79.

We all agreed. We love you, D. Bex. but that's an under. They're on pace to have to win 51 games. And that's hilarious because they've won 50, so they're on pace to just win one more out of the next six. So good job by us. We nailed it.

That's two games under 500. At the time, we were like, that doesn't seem right at all. The thing that really put me over the top when we looked at it, Dodgers were going to be awesome all year. We thought the Padres were potentially going to be the Giants. I guess if you want to flip the script on those two teams. It really shook me when the Rockies' rotation as a whole clearly had a one-up on them. And that was kind of a major red flag for me.

And our snakes here went a little different, but we're getting that one pick. And we're building for the future. Lavello's back next year Yeah Our year He is They sign him one year extension

You're gonna have dinner with him Spring training You're coming with Trev We're like buddies Man Like we're basically gonna go there And talk about old times How about it?

That sounds terrible We won't do that We won't do that We might talk about new times too Yeah All right here's another fun one The Atlanta Braves Trev

We all took the over on 91 and a half wins. They got Charlie Morton. They're regrouping. They were a game away from the World Series. They got all those young stud pitchers that were in the ALCS NLCS last year. They hit the under.

They're going to win the division. Maybe. Depends what happened last night in the Phillies game. They are at 83 wins. The over under was 91.5. They're on pace for 86. If they win out, they would be at 89. So that's guaranteed under, and we all got it wrong.

Yep. Damn. I think we were all in agreeance that we thought they would be tops in the NL East. And because of that, we said that's got to be a 92 or above win team. We liked them a lot. So they were middling most of the year. And let's not forget, they don't have freaking someone named Acuna. Yeah.

Someone named Acuna. They don't have someone named Ozuna for different reasons. No Soroka. Was supposed to be a boost to that. So, yeah, that's, hey, Phillies, I keep saying it. Prove me wrong. I hope we're talking on the Friday, yep, that the Phillies did it, and it's their NLEs to lose.

But if the Braves win it this year, they're winning the next four. Like, God. You've said that a lot, though. Said that a lot. Yeah, not good. Haven't they won it for quite some time already? Isn't there like a street going right now? It's their division, man.

I don't know. How many times have that one? I mean, you have to, right? I'll get there. Three. First place, 2020. First place, 2019. First place, 2018.

So they're on a hot street. 18, 19, 20, now 21. Could be four in a row. I just have to count that on my fingers. How about that? Five. Five. Whatever.

All right. Here's one that's interesting. The Chicago White Sox. We all agreed on the over, and they were also at 91.5. They had a hell of an offseason. We thought the division was getting weaker. We thought they were going to be really good. They've been on pace for the over for a while when we do this game, but now they're on pace to win 91.8 games.

So that would be the over by 0.03 or whatever. They're at 89 wins. you guys think they got this in them Trev? Yes They gotta win to three games I think they see the the finish line approaching

and they want to go in hot They know You know I don't know if that's necessarily A myth Or just media narrative Like about going into the playoffs hot Sure seems like it means something So

They're looking saying It's time to start playing our best ball Let's go And I don't know Gotta be motivating at this point get ready to go play, playoff fucking baseball. Well, Abraeu and them just cleared the benches because Abrae's sick and tired of being hit versus a one game rain makeup against Detroit.

Their last three games of the season are three against Detroit. So they may have found some extra motivation to take those last three games a little more seriously. I think Dallas Keigel said he was going to hit a guy. I think he said that in his post game. so I think because of that drama unless Hinch gets the Tigers up for those games Are these now must-watch games The first game between the White Sox and the Tigers?

How about it? If you're Tony Larusa, you better be in the freaking club out saying We're not doing anything to the Tigers We're not doing shit. Well, I think. Because who gives a fuck? I think Tony's going to get a redemption sprint in.

You know, he saw how his big run went over Twitter. Honestly, I think the pivot point might be tonight. They're facing your cousin, Jim. Pitching for Cincinnati tonight, Riley O'Brien. Riley O'Brien. Not in my book, but I know him from family events and all that kind of stuff. A double Irish name. He has no stats.

I remember seeing that Riley. They're going to get there. You think so. I think so. I think the White Sox, Tony being old school, I think they're going to want a little juice going into the playoffs. And like that last series, it's Lynn Gialito Cease and, you know, their last start before the playoffs,

you're still going to let them run, what, 75 bullets? Tony might let him go 115. You don't know what I'm saying? Like, there's no way he could be there being like, let's go fuck these guys up. He's got to be like, hey, let's chill out. Like, let's go win these games. We're not fighting anybody.

We're not throwing in anybody. No one's going into second base hard. Like, let's just go get these games, get it over with it because we have, something more important to play for. Our moms. Yeah, that's what I was going at. And Jess. Jess.

Jess is watching. Dad. Dude, Riley O'Brien's dad was a big leaguer. His brother Johnny was on the Pirates. Or his brother Eddie was on the pirates. His uncle. Does he have a baseball reference page? I can't find it.

Riley O'Brien? Riley O'Brien. He has to, because he's been in the minors. Luis Castillo has like a family emergency, so it's like a last second call-up, yeah. Middle name Chun Young. Dude, he was pitching. Okay, he's in tributy this year.

Yeah. All right, I think the White Sox are going to hit that over, and we're all going to get it correct. Good job by us. Next up, Houston Astros. We all agreed that they would go over, and they have. This was the lowest line. We still can't figure out why it was so low for the team.

It was 86 and a half. They're at 91 wins now. So is it there on, you know, our little on-base calculator we did has them on pace for 94.5. That felt like it should have been the Astros over under to start the year. Yeah. Like 94.5 felt like the number and I think the three of us would have been split. Like I think that's crazy. 86 and a half, no idea where that came from.

It was before Odo, but Odo doesn't account for eight wins. no I don't know what they had the 500 2020 season I don't know how much that played a part into it I guess it must have some but that was also my one of my locks on my prop bet sheet

I said Astros to make the playoffs lock that's locked up they're they're the dark horse right them and the Cardinals I guess would you call the Cardinals a dark horse now they're making so much noise So people would play that.

The Astros have been quiet all season. They're just like so quiet. And they're going to be in the CS. Snake in your ass. I think them in the White Sox are the dark, I guess the White Sox. Nobody's talking about them. It's just because they've had it locked up for so long.

It's just a problem of winning. Houston with, by the way, sneaky game. It happened last night. They've lost four straight and they're host in Tampa tonight. Like, I don't know. You don't want a five game loser at this point in the season, but they also don't care. The Kansas City Royals.

We all agreed they would go over. I have great news for you guys. The over-under were 71. Kansas City Royals have 71 wins right now. I believe they will win another game. Let's get one. Just one more. And we're the smartest people in the room.

Let's get one. They got Cleveland and Minnesota. So it's just a bunch of games no one cares about. Do you remember in late May, early June? The Royals had like the best record in baseball? Ah. Big off season. So, yeah, that's how we picked them to go over.

Dayton Moore is actually making moves when a lot of teams were being stagnant. We said, look, let's give them credit. They're trying to win a little bit here, so it paid off. Not really for them, for us. More good news for us. And this one was looking tricky at times when we did this update. The Dodgers, they had the highest line, 101.5 wins. was there over under.

We all said over. We didn't know they weren't going to win the division. They are sitting at 100 wins. I believe they will win two more games. I believe. Do you believe, Jake? Yeah, this was one. I think when we first did this exercise,

it was looking like the Dodgers were going to come short. And I didn't hesitate on this one. By the way, we're getting into some numbers and individual stuff later. I was just clicking around the stats page. Best team ERA, the Dodgers. They are the only team whose team ERA starts with a two. Ooh. Enjoy that if they get past the Cardinals in the wildcard game.

When we did this on August 10th, the Dodgers were on pace to win 96 games. I mean, the Scherzer move is amazing. They are now on pace to win 103. We picked that before we knew they had Scherzer and Trey Turner. Imagine if you told us that. Like 114 games they're going to win. Yeah, they did lose Bauer for Scherzer, so, I mean, he was having a pretty good year, but. Yeah.

Marlins, we all agreed on the over here at 70 and a half. What were we drinking? Pitching staff. Pitching staff and the NLE sucking, which we kind of nailed. But, yeah, traded Marte, but we kind of knew that. They're at 64 wins, so at best. if they went out, they would be at 70, which hits the under of 70.5.

Bummer. 2022, go Marlins. He just... Just chisim. No beef in that lineup. Yeah. 28th in OPS, 29th in OBP, 28th in homers.

Sad. But back to us being geniuses, guys. Brewers. We all said over. It was 82 and a half. The brew crew have won. 94 games It's done

On pace to win 97 We're the best Easily Let's keep going Twins We all took the over here That's not going to happen Owry

The under is locked up You know what we said about that Great regular season team They're going to win 96 games They're going to get beaten the playoffs by the Yankees And well Wheels fell off Stunk.

Have they? I think you're in last place in the A.O. Central. Have they been winning recently, like second half at all? They had a good August. They went 14 and 13. They had one winning month. Holy shit. Yeah, the two games behind the Royals for the last place in the Central.

That's a fall. Tough 1201st season for them as a franchise. Not the worst 100-10 first season, though. No. The Orioles was brutal. brutal. Yeah, Twins fans, I think that definitely have all the teams that were, like, there were people that picked them to win the division.

And no one scoffed at that. They're like, ah, no, white socks will do it. Like, it wasn't, no one could really, it wasn't crazy to finish dead last is insane. What happens, Trev? Like, they're going to have to figure out some things, who they're going to keep if the window is still open. What about coaching staff? I think it seems like they're all pretty secure to me.

Around Twins, Twitter, it doesn't seem like Rocco's on the hot seat. You know, they just made a regime switch. Like, it's, I think they're going to stick with it and see what they can do. I don't know, man. It's definitely going to be an interesting offseason because they have, they're at a fork in the road. And they got to pick which way they're going to go. It's tough because, I mean, they were first the last two seasons. They were second the two seasons before that, although one of those is a sad second place, 78 and 84.

It's never been a deep division, like for a while now. When's the last time when the twins were the wildcard is like? It's been top heavy. There's been a lot of champions and really good teams to come out of there, but it's been top heavy. Like the tigers were there, and then it was the royals, and then the twins kind of came along. It's been top heavy. Now it's white sucks. So they're taking turns.

at least. That's nice. Yeah. Twins were in first place the last time on April 10th. They've never, they had a winning month in August by one game. So this is, it's been just an absolute, abysmal season. And what they do with Byron Buckson is that's the key to it all. If they keep in, then they have to go forward. If they trade them, then obviously they're not going for it.

Yeah, I'd keep them. But we'll see. All right, where were we? The Twins and then the Mets, we all agreed under. They had a crazy high line, 90 and a half. They're at 73 wins. That's guaranteed under. I mean, they're at 73 and 82.

And now they're getting live comedy in between innings. I couldn't believe that one. I read that today. 73 and 82. I mean, DeGrom has been out, so I guess that's a lot. It's a lot. didn't hit. They didn't hit.

New York in general. Yankees and Mets just didn't, their offenses just didn't hit in like very weird, surprising ways. The Yankees surprisingly have a great pitching staff this season.

The Mets were supposed to be the pitching staff. So I don't know. Yeah, I'm texting Jolly Olive right now, Shee Station. Shout out. And what are you going to say to him? What's their record since DeGrom was officially out-out? because I remember we said that a few times, like, oh, since DeGrom went out,

and now the numbers have to be absolutely cooked. When was DeGrom's last day? Well, we'll let Jolly on. Let's keep this moving. All right. Is that the last one we all agreed on? The Yankees, they're guaranteed to get the under. If they win the next six games, that would put them at 95 wins,

and their over under was 95 and a half, so the Yankees are guaranteed under. We all said over. Why did we all say over? because the Red Sox weren't supposed to be good And Toronto We like their offense But not they're pitching that much And the raise were supposed to take a step back

Not supposed to You know Yeah I mean The raise over under was a joke The other side of that is the The Yankees are going to win 92-ish games this year And they underachieved for five months So

Yeah, man But were we drinking just the The lineup Kool-Aid Like saying like damn Like they got a stacked for the Trev that's kind of the tricky story of this Their pitching has been really good this year Yeah

All the other guys The underrated guys have been great They are normally the Bronx bombers Like they have that name for a reason And they just haven't hit this year So hey hopefully it's coming together We got the, have you heard about Bronxie the turtle, Treve? I've seen it around social a little bit.

You know, I like turtles, so I'm into that. Okay. I think a turtle would do well in a city, you know, like obviously you have the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles. That's kind of like showcases it. But the turtle shell is just very, it's a good home. It's tough. It's tough.

If you're a Yankees fan or you like turtles, go get a Bronxie the Turtle shirt at our store. Do you're. the Blue Jays. We all agree that they'd go under 86 and a half. They have 187 games. So we got that wrong. And the Blue Jays are so interesting because they really went for it.

And I don't even know how much their trade accusations. Like, I don't know how good Barrios has been. But I think the mentality of going for it helped them the most. and getting Springer back. I mean, obviously their offense things. I'm not talking about their offense, but. I mean, A, we didn't know Vladdy was going to be an MVP before the season. You might hear a little bit about him later.

And you didn't know Robbie Ray was going to be a Cy Young candidate. I mean, right there, you just made up like 10 games on two guys. But, I mean, Ryu's been less than you would have expected him to be. Yeah. Mino has been huge. Jim, you're going to love this. Yeah, Mino was been good. You're going to love this with Burrios.

Okay. Rios came over. He had a 3-4-8 with the twins. He's got a 3-5 with the Blue Jays. He's got a 357 FIP when he came over. Got a 351 FIP. The Blue Jays. His numbers are near identical across the board,

just split in half. He's been good. He's been what they got. He's been what they wanted. Looking at his game log, it's definitely you would want this. There's a three-game stream. stretch of, all right, but there's two games that you'd say don't like.

Yeah, he's been good. He's been really good for them. So good for them. Heming versus Cole. All right. Coming up. Other overrunners that are still up in the air, I think that's kind of interesting. The Cincinnati Reds were 82 and a half.

Will they win another game? I'm going to say they will. Yeah. They're not there yet. The Cleveland Indians, they've won 77 games. Their over under was 81. and a half, so will they win five games out of their last six? Probably no.

Doesn't seem likely. So then they would hit the under. But they play the Reds, right? Sweep the Reds, right? Sweep the leg. Flip two Jackie Ws right there. Now we're talking. The athletics were 87 and a half. They're at 85.

Are they going to win three more games? That's an interesting. That might be the trickiest one where you just shrug. You know, I know this has come out on Wednesday, but the Monday night game really seems like it might have put the nail in the cough in there. Yeah. For the A's. I asked Jake that earlier today.

I was like, so there, are they officially done? Like, officially no, but. Math-wise, no, spiritually, yes. They have two more against Seattle and three against Houston. Are they going to win three games? Like, if you had to bet right now, do you think Oakland wins, three games out of their next five. No.

No. So you think the under's going to hit? I'm a little biased there because I'm the only one that took it too. Oh, you're the only one that took the under? It'd be interesting. It's going to be interesting. It's going to be interesting. Because they're still a really good team and they have Montas going and he's been pretty good

and I think Minai also going up against the Mariners. Man, you think they're going to lose? They just never lose. They're the new giants. It feels like Oakland will come down to the last. last day of the season, a Houston game that means nothing, an Oakland game that means nothing, and how that plays out. The Phillies have already hit there over. The Pirates have hit there over.

56 and a half. It went to 58. Let's go. Kotuck. And the Cardinals were at 80s. So everyone else has hit. It's really, I mean, a lot of it's put to bed. James, let's talk about your San Francisco Giants pick here a little bit.

Where is it? How come I don't find this? Oh, I was the... 75 and a half was the number. I went under. I would love to find out why I said that. We need to go back and check the tape. This seems so low.

But we were... It seems like we were probably goofing. We were probably saying we love Gabe Kapler. They made some strides last year. There's something going on. It might be the first time I referenced the player or the coaching staff. Oh, yeah. You guys got mad at me.

Maybe I was trying to counter you guys. It's going to be fun here. I think a fun way to break. this up is by divisions. I thought the Padres would be really good. I think I thought the Padres and the Dodgers were just going to take all the wins. It was going to be hard. I thought the next three teams.

Turns out the Padres were the team that stunk. Stunk. I mean, the Padres are at 78 wins, so. I just had him flipped. Yikes, man. Padres, what is you doing, baby? Looks like Trev, only one with the Padres under, so. How about it?

Smart. Yeah. Smart guy. 94 and a half games was a lot. Yeah. Yeah, turns out. If memory serves me, I think I said, they're going to be around a 90-win team,

and the Dodgers are going to run away with it, but the Pogers will be good around 90 wins. They weren't not good. Well, right now, as it stands, Trevor is winning with 17, thought to be correct picks. If Oakland wins three games, you can get to 18.

Jake has 13. He can get the 14. 15. I can get to 16. C. Centsy. Lose everything. Winner wins. All right.

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Yes Yeah All right I heard nameless genetics is also Trev, do you want to walk us through the prop bats? I do. You know this is my favorite. We've had some good ones this season. I'm proud of what we accomplished,

and some of the picks were kind of spot on. We'll start with you. James, you chose four, one of them being a flyer. So we're going to give you three picks. Your flyer was that green key to lead the AL in Wins. I have no idea. I know he's not leading the A. In Wins.

Is he close? I don't think so. I think he had hurt recently. Yeah, just for anyone that's not familiar with the term flyer and all that. That was like a value pick, meaning, it's like sprinkle some money on it because the return is amazing. But I don't actually think this is going to happen. It's just there's an odd.

It'd be very rare if we got one of these. Yeah. It would be very fun. So you had that at plus 4,000. That's not going to hit. But you did really well in your other props. You said Mike Trout under 41. half homers that got priced in it plus

100 and the reasoning you said was all takes is one injury and he's never like hit over 41 homers in his career yeah I think he did it once did it once but yeah one two weeks stint I didn't want him out this long but yeah that one's that one hit

I like that one and then my lock Trev tell him what my lock was this was interesting and it kind of looked like it wasn't going to hit halfway through the year it was the Yankees to win four and a half a more games than the Mets. That was at minus 112. You took that confidently.

You put the lock on it. You locked it up. And it's hitting. It already hit. Yeah. Dang. Good for you. I'm just happy I got my lock.

Yeah. So those are your two wins. Your one loss was a Trevor story over 280 batting average. I think you were banking on the free agency looming. Maybe a new team picking him up halfway through the season boost. But he got off to kind of. a tough start, never really recovered, especially with the batting average. I think he's sitting 245 right now.

So you'll take the L on that one. I think he was banking to get traded too. Yeah. I think if he got traded, I might have a surzer situation. So I'm going to blame the Rockies on that one. But going two and one is pretty good. I think you'd take that to the beginning of the year. Yeah.

Yeah. The trout is weird, plus 100. You get it. How about Jake? We'll move on. Yeah, move on to Jake. Now, the first one we'll go over is his flyer. His sprinkle, if you will.

He took Corbin Burns to win the NL. Sai Young at plus 4,000. That's so if you bet a hundred bucks, your return will be $4,000 on it. Corbyn's currently sitting right behind Max Scherzer in the Las Vegas odds. So this is a great sprinkle. You have a shot here. If Scherzer has a blow-up start, Burns has a lockdown start, things could absolutely switch in your favor, and this would be a home run. Scherzer has a start against the Padres.

I need Slam Diego to come out one more time. I need that relief pitcher to hit. What was his name? Cameran. Camerana. Need him to hit. And then, yeah, Corbyn Burns finishes Saturday against those Dodgers. Game to watch.

That's going to be a good game to watch for some. And, yeah, if I hit the plus 4,000, you know, there'll be some, there'll be some tweets. Some tweets. You win the whole thing. If you hit the plus 4,000, you win this whole thing. I mean, it's gentlemen's, you know, we're gentlemen here. I'm going to clap for Jake anyway, because that's a plus 4,000 and, you know. I liked what I saw.

Corbyn Burr's going to get Cy Young votes. That's a lot. The fact of plus 4,000 is down to the last week is pretty good. And yeah, man. What are the odds now if you bet on Burns? It was... I think we said they were like minus 108. Plus 108, I think.

Plus 10. Shers down like minus... Plus 160 or something. So, I mean, that's... That's a win in itself. If the voting happened today, he would still have a chance because he's sandwiched by Sherser and Bueller, so if we could get some Dodger Pultz votes,

pulling from each other. Bueller, most quality starts. Don't forget that, West Coast voters. Can I tell you why I think Sherser gets... One of the reasons Sherser gets it. Why? A sentence that I think Trevor said the other day. I have a nice piece.

Maybe it was Kyle. Someone said if Scherzor wins the Cy Young, he has like, he's in a, you said that, he's in the debate for one of the best pitchers ever. He goes to all time. And, I mean, he already is, isn't he? But I mean, it's his fifth or fourth side. Hardware now. Maybe his fourth.

Fourth. I mean, if he gets a fourth Sai Young, he's got the World Series, he's got all the other accolates, 3,000. And there's a little... You start doing pitching in this generation type stuff. Sports riders, they want to be part of greatness and be in the presence of greatness. And if you give this dude his fourth, Syung, you kind of cement that.

So that's the storyline voting. And that happens. It's not robots voting. You know, he's already one of one, two, three, four, five, six guys. There's only six guys that have won it in both leagues. Shurzer's part of that elite group. So, yeah, I mean, Clemens has seven,

Randy Johnson has five, Carlton Maddox each have four, so I think this would be his fourth. Yeah. So that brings him into like, you know, the all-time starting five, essentially.

So. But Bueller and those quality starts every night? Let's move on. Nice sprinkle, Jake. Nice sprinkle right there. Your prop bets, your player prop bets,

your team prop bet, We'll start off with the one that was the biggest bozo pick. But you saved it by what you said about it. I'll go ahead and get it. Vladimir Guerrera Jr. Under 28 and a half home runs. You said he's skinny Vlad. Skinny Vlad.

What's that name I gave him? Skinny Daddy. Oh, Slim Daddy Vladdy. Slim Daddy Vladdy. Slim Daddy Vladdy. You said he's Slim Daddy Vladdy. He's never hit for power. He's more of an average guy.

Doubles. You said, give me doubles. That one looks very foolish. I think he has 45 home runs leading the major leagues. Yeah, 46 now. What do you have to say about that? Yeah, so special. He is two points behind Yuley for the batting title,

and I did suggest he might give that a run. And I said some MVP votes. Probably not suggesting he'd get second in the MVP. But hey, I thought Vlad would be nasty. I just thought it would be more in the gaps. He decided screw that. Yeah, Dunedin, Buffalo, Toronto

literally did not matter this year. I wonder what is home run total would be... Do we have that? Can you do that for those stadiums? At each one? Do you have a secast in those stadiums? You know what I mean? Like if you put everything

and overlapped it in Toronto, what do you have more or less? I'm guessing more. I can do that. John's on it. John's the best. me move on. So that one was a bus, but you know, you did hedge it. You did hedge it well. You said if he does break this and hit over, I'll be happy as well.

Other one, Freddie Freeman, more home runs than Francisco Lindor. That is true. You got that at minus 112. Freddie. And then your lock. I'll go ahead. What's the number of that? Freddie with 31, Lindor with 18. Locked it up. Your lock. My actual locks. Speaking of locks. You're actually. You're actually. Shulok. Rays more wins than the Blue Jays at minus 106. Got it.

That's free money, man. Got it. That's free money. Give me every ex-player's kid. I don't care. You're playing the Rays. Rays are going to have the best record in the A.L. By a lot. Unreal. I think I was the only non-believer in the Rays this year. I said they

can't do it again. They can't do it another season where we don't know what the fuck they're doing, and they just win all the games. They can't do it again. Well, they did. And then maybe it looks stupid. Code breakers. So you went two and three in your prop bets. You have the sprinkle still there. Two out of three. Yeah. Two out of three

with the sprinkles still there. I think so. In my opinion, you're one up in John right now and then we'll get to mine. What do you got, Treff? My sprinkle. Still alive somewhat. A pretty good sprinkle, I'll say. Walker Buehler to win the NL Siong at plus 1,500. He was leading it for quite some time. And then he's had a few rough starts here at the end of the year

that have really made him tail off. Still third in Vegas. That's where I differ with you, man. His quality starts. If you've watched games on the West Coast, you have to be casting your ballot for him. Scherger's got it locked up. Bueller not going to win it,

but he sure looked apart this year for a lot of the season. A couple really bad ones, man. Lower his odds at the table. That one's out. Plus 15-Hundee. Well, you can still sprinkle the cheddar now if you want. It's plus 1,800 today, third. Yeah, that's tough.

That's tough. Go back a few weeks ago, and it was, I think, minus. Maybe about a month ago. Anyway, moving on from that, I did five picks. You guys only gave three. I was just feeling myself. Yordaun Alvarez over 33 and a half. I got it at 112.

minus 112, and he is sitting at 32 homers right now with six to play. Yorda needs two. How do he just feel about that? Who are they playing? They're playing the Rays, so he's never going to see the same guy twice. I don't like that. And I think they end with A's. Oh, A's will be dead.

He'll do it. I'll do it. I think so, too. I'm banking on this one to come. True, it's still out there, so we can't count it yet. The other one that's still out there, Joey Gallo. over 38 and a half homers at plus 110. He's at 38.

So they're in Toronto. He has to hit a moonball in Toronto. We'll be rooting for you, big time on that one. So those two are off on the side. Don't know what's going to happen. We'll move past my lock. I had Phillies with more wins in the Red Sox. And that looks sort of foolish now,

but I don't think anyone was really super hot on the Red Sox prior to the year. But that one's not going to come true. So that's an L for me. And then I had Fernando Tati's Jr. Over 168 and a half hits. Got hurt too much this year. I think he's sitting at like 135.

Had the average that I was looking for just didn't play enough game. So those are two L's right there. My lock was the Astros to make the playoffs. And they're in. So one and two on the ones that have already come out. I have a chance to go three and two. if we hit some homers this week. I think a.

Biggest claps in BBD. So the three of us, all of our locks hit. Claps for us. So, you know, just take the locks. BBD, we begged for a lock at the end of the episode. He threw out a Tatis under 101.1.5 RBI. Nando sits here today at 95, I think. Six away from 101.

Seven more? He's seven more with six to go. He'd need a big couple games. Padres are kind of about to quit on the year. If he hits a grand slam, I'm pretty fucked. He wants the MVP still. He's still battling for the MVP. That dude's going to be doing everything he can.

BPD, that's going to be tight. And Trev, you're at an interesting spot, man. You need at least one of those homer guys to come through. If they don't. If neither. You're going to be at a bad beat. Yeah, I'll go one in four. They're going to have a lot more leader.

They're going to have a lot more leader. off spot appearances, 23 games in the lead off spot this year. So? Yeah, I thought the same. That's why I put us. He's going to get a shit ton of advance. They just gave them all that money. They're going to play him until, you know, and they did. They played him so hard that he

fucking sublux his shoulder several times. Pull him out, tingler. He doesn't need to play. I like what we did. I think we did a good job. You know, depending on if mine hit, we'll have a winning record and all of our loss. Yeah, you're kind of our pivot point, Trev. So we'll root for you.

I think Joey Gallo is a lock. He's going to hit a homer in the last six years. I mean, Bronx's got to help him. Yeah. Well, he's scared of Bronx. Yeah. Yeah, he actually is. It's going to be a friendship-forming moment from then.

Yeah. He's a scared of the turtle, huh? He's scared of the turtle, huh? That's not official. Yeah. We don't know that. We have him as the guy the first time they let Bronxie walk around the locker room. He, like, did a bathroom stop during that.

A lot of sanitizer. You know, turtles don't even really need a cage. I used to have a desert tortoise growing up. We had a cage for it. He hated it. So he just would like walk around our house. He had a bowl with his food and water or whatever. And like we just like wouldn't see him for weeks.

We'd see him eat. He'd eat our stuff. We just like would never see him. He'd come out at night and walk around. And then we found out he'd really liked to hang like behind the TV. I think there was like some. power cords back there. They were warm or something.

I do the same thing. He's still alive to this day. Wow. Desert tortoise, man. Update from Jolly Olive. Since DeGrom's injury, July 18th, the Mets have gone 25 and 40. Owee.

I thought, when did the gram last pitch? Jolly Olive said July 18th. Bummer. How was, did I see you doing Vlau? Ladd Stadium math over there? Yeah, I also did that math that Jolly just did, and he's wrong. So, do you want the correct math? Ouch.

I'm interested in your math, and then we can bounce it off the Mets guy and see how the stories differ. Well, he last pitched on July 7th. Okay. So, I don't know where. You might want to DL did. Talking about the first time they IEL, the morale. Oh.

Or the I.E. Excuse me. Yeah. I think he probably went IEL, right? Ten days after? since the last pitch, July 8th, the 27 and 44. Same trajectory. I was looking at Vladdy's home runs and seeing if he would have had more or less. I need to find the official date when they went to the Rogers Center to really let you know, Treff.

I feel like that was a pretty pivotal date. When was that? Was it? Yeah, I don't know when it was. It was earlier than I think. Like August 1st is when I'm checking, and they were there for August. So that's what I'm trying to figure out,

and then I can find it. Wasn't it right around Canada Day? It was against the Royals? Yeah, whatever they're Royals series. So July 30th? Yeah. Okay. The Friday,

Friday, start to the Royals series. All right. Can't believe it says all that and not the day of the first game. In the one article I clicked, but it is weird I'll let you know how many is July 1st I don't know

do you think it helped him or hurt him being in the minor league parks I want to say it hurt him but also Dunedin's a Bambox so he got that and Buffalo's not like a tough park to hit in but I would say Toronto is probably a better place than Buffalo so he's been playing in Buffalo

for like four years so pretty comfortable there I assume yeah according to this I looked at outs and doubles and triples, and then I'm overlaying those over Roger Center. And according to this chart, he would have two of his doubles would have been home runs at the Roger Center. So you can add two home runs. And I'm just doing at home.

So you can plus two. They would have been out at the Roger Center. But then I want to look at all of his home runs. and overlay those at the Rogers Center to see if there's any that went out that wouldn't have gone out. And it looks like there's one. So he would have had one more homer.

Plus one. According to these calculations on baseball. Not bad. How about it? Take one more homer. Nice job, James. Thanks. I love when you go off on the mission

and you just kind of are typing away. Yeah, figured it out. I like doing that. But then you can click it and find it. So like sometimes, because I also don't really like statcasts, distance projected. So then I usually like actually go watch the hit and see Because one of them

It was like a line drive. Had a 22 launch angle which isn't usually a home run. But Vladdy can fucking smoke balls. So maybe it could be, you know? All right. Good job by all of us getting our locks. That's all that matters. Locks.

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I don't like lemon. Well, Maddox spoon. Just think about it. Think about it. I'm not a fan of lemon, but I can let them know for you. You know, like those lemon cookies with the vanilla icing? I'm not a lemon guy. But I think I do like those.

I think I do like those cookies a little bit. I'm just trying to, you know, think about flavor. I'm a, I'm going to put a little Jake on this. Okay. Trev, would you rather have your cereal taste like dog shit and be unhealthy? Or would you rather have your cereal taste really good and be healthy? Honest answers only.

The second option. Then you're going to love Magic Spoon. Yeah. Because it is the second option. So go get some Magic Spoon. Mm-hmm. You sold me. Thank you.

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Sorry they got to watch every Toronto game the rest of the way right Well, the Toronto and Yankees matter for two reasons, Triff. One, they're both fighting for the wildcard spot. They matter for a second reason. Robbie Ray and Garrett Cole are the favorites to win the Cy Young. Garrett Cole pitches on Wednesday today, as you're listening to this, so his teammates, his lineup, can go out there, crush Cole,

and now it's cement Robbie Ray. That would cement Robbie Ray of the Sigh-Young, I think. But if Cole Shubbs has a good start, he's kind of right in the mix with Robbie, and then Robbie pitches on Thursday, and now it's up to the Yankees' bats to support their guy. So the Yankees' offenses and the Toronto offense can actually really help with the final push on who's going to win the A.L. Sa Young since they face each other's team. It's a very interesting dynamic. I think that's cool.

I love that. I think Robbie Ray has kind of got it locked up But I could see there is a world As Jake would say If Cole goes out and goes nine shuddy CG And Robbie Ray comes out and throws a dud up there I could see the narrative changing rather quickly

Robbie Ray right now minus 198 Garrett Cole plus 153 So Yeah you'd need a A semi dud from Ray And Cole to drop it and boy to the Yankees need it, and so did the Blue Jays. So interested to see.

How about Robbie Ray, man? On August 2nd, he was plus 3,000. August 11th, plus 3,100. And he has just been lights out. Awesome. Brandon Hyde pissed him off. I know it doesn't matter, and I've wanted to remind this because I looked it up before.

Garrett Cole is going to lead the AL and wins. he's got 16 nobody else has 15 Chris Flexen with 14 in Seattle as a real no he started this year thank God that shouldn't really be a surprise

to anyone he's paid to do that he was on a team that was supposed to win 96 games like I think he just kind of did his job and that's awesome that's I mean

Yankees fans I know are just ecstatic with what they got because there was a point here where the ball thing, sticky balls. That whole narrative was changing on Cole. He came out right after that.

He had a dud of a start and people were pointing and laughing. And then Garrett Cole said, I think it was the start right after that. Didn't he shut out the raise or something like that? In Houston. Yeah. I said something last episode that people got upset with me about because I said he's been fine post, but his ERA is worse. But I think his best starts of the year have come after.

Since. So he has some duds in there. he pitched on the hamstring, but, you know, his complete game shut out, 12 strikeouts after Houston was post-sticky stuff. And his seven-innings pitch with 15Ks, one-earned run was post-sticky stuff. So I meant he's shown that he can still pitch afterwards. But a lot of people were saying I was biased because his ERA is worse. Well, I mean, even a guy like that is going to have duds throughout the year. He just didn't have any duds early on in the season. You know? Yeah. No, he was really good.

But his best starts have come afterwards. Like, he's proven that he can pitch afterwards. But it's also ticking up, so it's something that's interesting. I have a must-watch game. Yes, what is it? This one's a little interesting, James, because it involves a team that you really don't need to be watching right now. It's the Detroit Tigers.

But little Donnybrook on the field with the White Sox, after a bray you got hit and then went in hard on Nico Goodrum. Benches cleared. We talked about this a little bit before the show. They got more games against each other. To close out the year, that first game, it's going to be interesting to see if there's any retaliation. We're going to get some WWE action.

I told you guys that Tony Larissa better be in his damn club I was saying no funny business. Jakey does not agree. I think Tony's saying funny business. Yeah, I think he wants them to hit it right away. Tony's a spark guy. from what I know. Okay, I'll watch.

You gotta watch. I'll watch. It's like why people watch NASCAR a little bit. They want to see the car crashes, which is weird to me, but people say that, right? It's a little weird. It is very weird.

I don't like that. I don't like stunts even. I don't watch NASCAR for that at all. I don't like when you go to like some event and then all of a sudden someone's doing like a death defying stunt. And it's like, I didn't, I don't want to watch.

I don't, I'm not interested in watching you potentially hurt yourself. Stop it. Yeah, you're right about that. I don't, no part of me is like, I hope this guy doesn't land on the net. I'm like, please land on the net, please land on the net, please land on the net. Yeah, I don't even like, you know, that's why I hate Nick Willenda so much. Yeah. Don't make me watch you commit suicide.

Hasn't yet. Speaking of, uh, guys, it's a little. outdated. The kids aren't as into it as they used to be, but the batting title still means something in our souls. The NL has a fun one. You're going to be checking in on the Red Sox versus the Nats this weekend. And Juan Soto is at 321. One point behind his former teammate, Trey Turner, who will be checking in on the Dodgers to see, you know, we mentioned Corbyn Burr. as Cy Young's start. If they have a chance to catch the Giants,

boogety, boogety, Trey Turner at 322. Man, I love a good trivia question and how the baseball gods work sometimes. Doesn't it just feel like on a broadcast you're going to hear, you know, the Dodgers traded for Max Scherzer who won the Cy Young and Trey Turner who won the batting title? I listen to some old-timey broadcasts. Yeah.

But I was wondering how you heard those voices. Yeah, I pay a guy. He's in my apartment and he just lets it rip. I think anyone's ever done that? Hired a private broadcaster? Blind people? I mean, yeah, for sure. What? Like an old blind man pays his neighbor kid to come broadcast something for him back in the 1950s.

Why would he just listen to the radio? You didn't have one, Trev. Didn't have hands either. Turn it on. Old people always have radios. They have radios with batteries. They have crank radios. Electricity was out. Crank radio. So how could the kid relay the... Yeah, it's an iPhone. So this is modern now.

Yes. Okay. And they're both handless. I don't know. I see. I was going the other way with it. I think it's a pretty big dick move. If there's a big game or a big fight on, they're like, yeah, I'm hosting a party at my house. I got a guy calling it. I don't know. I don't think I'd go. What if it was...

A guy calling the party, I'd know. What if it was Christopher walking? I'd tie, I'd peek in. Oh, I wouldn't want that. I wouldn't want that. I wouldn't want that at all. I think we'd turn him off about half a week. Oh, you could turn him off. Who's the one voice? I'm trying to think now. I don't know. Who has a voice of an angel that I'd like to hear?

Like if I told you, John Sterling was calling a Yankees game. but he wasn't at the Yankees game. He was calling it at a house party. I think I'd be, I mean, I think I'd be weirded out. I don't know if I could do nine innings. I'd be into that. I mean, he's the guy who calls the game.

So that's not bad. He's not good. He's fabulous. It doesn't. If Ron Darling is at my house, you guys are flying out. I'll flip the bill, PJ, you guys come out here. Bring Ron with you. I like reading Trevor Plu's stuff.

He's got a lot of good takes. God, that's so ridiculous. Are you going to get another shout-out this postseason? Playoff broadcasts. Yeah, what game was that? That was an Astro somebody game. It was me defending an Astro. Right, that was how two-phase fielding stuff, right?

Yeah. Oh, fuck, man. That's good stuff. Oh, snap. Love you guys. That was lit. Man. Shout out coach ballgame, new podcast.

Go check it out. All right. That's our episode. done. That Ron Darling thing just put me in the spin cycle. If he gives you another shout out, I'm going to lose my cool, man. I mean, he has to. I mean, I'm moving on.

Until he does. Nicely. Don't harass him. Doesn't he not have a Twitter? Wasn't, that's what I'm wondering. I've searched for his Twitter. I would love. My takes aren't anywhere else. I would love to tweet at Ron Darling and see what's up, but I can't. Can't do it. Maybe he listens. Maybe he's

YouTube subscriber. Thanks, guys. We'll see you later. Treps coming to town and watch the games with us. It's going to be fun.