Talkin' Baseball (MLB Podcast) - 405 | Red Sox & White Sox Win Controversial ALDS Game 3s!

Episode Date: October 11, 2021

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Hello and welcome to talking baseball. We've got two games to recap. The ALDS brought the drama yesterday. Baseball came out to play big time, weird rules, extra innings, big comebacks. Let's talk about it. Hello and welcome to talking baseball. Thank you very much for joining us today. My name is Jimmy in California.

We have Trevor Plouffe behind the desk producer BBD and sitting next to me at the table. The birthday boy, Jake. Story Alley. Hot. Do you wake up feeling extra pretty? Treve laughed at that. Yeah, I woke up my second Sweet 16.

I'm enjoying it. Yeah, no. There definitely was a mirror. Me looking at myself in the mirror last night. Little extra love handled this time of year. Body kind of looking like Christian Vasquez. Facial hair was in a tough spot. So I shaved it up.

Cowboyed up, dust myself off, getting ready for this Red Sox World Series, man. So I'm doing well. Baseballed so hard last night. What an hour span that was from the end of Red Sox Rays jumping in. We were live streaming with our guy Joe's into the White Sox Astros chaos last night. So that was a good time. feeling good. Me and Treve are working on a new workout plan. We're both not feeling ourselves right now.

But speaking of, Tasty Trev, what's up, dude? Jacob, happy freaking birthday, man. I'm so happy you're in my life. Can I get some cakes in the chat? Wow, cakes in the chat. I don't know if we've ever had cakes in the chat. There's cake in the chat. Wow, look at that.

Some peaches, too. You know, baseball hot in the streets. That's only fitting the baseball basketball basketball. got hot in the streets the night before your birthday because I know you were getting hot in the sheets. You know what I'm saying? Yes, sir. It could have been me.

It could have been me. I forget. Jake runs hot. I am very hot. How was the stream last night? I tuned in for a little bit. I love Joe's. You guys killed.

Joe's is awesome. The stream highlights should be out now. I think I was watching the start of those. Tom does a great job on those. The stream, Trev, we went early. Well, actually, we didn't go early, but we started with the Red Sox race. So we were alive for all that drama.

And I just watched our reactions to that. It's pretty funny because I just let out a what? Like that old E-BOM's World where I think it's Australia or someone, one of the, that's a dumb video. You just say E-BOMS world? Yeah. Yeah. Remember that old viral video?

That was my 16th birthday. Like WTF, might. Like that was us after that video. So many people have no idea we're talking about. But yeah, the reaction to that. and then the grand doll play Tom Hallion's strike three calls the fucking cane dude and then it came to a screeching halt and the last five innings of the Red Sox game or White Sox game were just like fucking so boring

I know that's kind of that's how it worked man We were saying before the the show they were down five to one in the third series The season was over until it wasn't Man it was funny going through the box score of that today because we were streaming and we're having fun being silly, and it was like, wait, has this game just turned off? And I guess shout out to Christian Javier and Ryan Tepera and Aaron Bummer. You guys really took the wind out of all the bats. So good for you, but you also kind of took the wind out of us a little bit.

But built it up for a fun day today, four games. Are people going home? Are we getting game five? Regis. So good for your birthday. baseball games, Monday night football. I think there's preseason basketball long. Offseason plans. Yep.

Yeah, it talks about Yankees. We have four managers on the docket. Four meetings. Yeah, sexy. You love meetings. I hate meetings. These are fun meetings. We're doing, yeah, we're doing anything you want us to pass along to your boy, Dan. I think we're talking to him.

We're doing his employer review today. Any notes? He's listening to, probably listening to this right now. I'll give you my review of Dan. Okay. Here we go. He's an absolute juggernaut. I love him.

Hot. Wow. Hot. Huge. Well, all right. So we have the two games to review. We'll preview some people yesterday. We're getting upset about our lack of, like, individual previews. There's four today. I mean, I think it's going to be a very quick, like maybe a minute on the clock preview of the four games. Because we got to talk about the weirdness that happened last night. And then the post game comments, there's some more stuff that happened.

So baseball's bringing the drama yesterday. They're bringing a, they're frontload in their week, too. Monday. Big. Do you have burns? Oh, yeah. Oh, my God. Please hit me. I have officially placed my order from Starbucks.

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And then you get scared in order. And then they both arrive. that. I've done that. I've done that. I've never done that. That's pretty... I love the double order. Yeah. And it shows. Oh, Jakey. It's just water weight. That's all

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Yes. That's in the read. All right. Jake, burn this wild. Extra inning. It could be the more wrong music. Remix. That's good, though.

That's fun music. But it's talking baseball vibes for sure. I have all of them on. It's been a minute. The burn music is on the talking yank soundboard for me. So, wrong one. It's a big game. Game three up at Fenway, the Rays would pitch their Nordic Prince, Drew Rasmussen,

as Nate Dogg Evaldi would try to make it regulate for the socks. A beautiful meadow for the raise early as Austin, it's a two-run ding-dong, but Schwabo cuts the lead in half with one of his own, and he's having fun tossing the ball, fist-pumpin' love that. Bottom three, Kike and Devers, Devers and Kike, RBI singles for both of them, And then Kike, do you love me? Are you riding off of Pringle, Fairbanks, solo dong, and it's good fortitude by the socks to make it four to two.

It's stay that way into the eighth. Isn't he lovely? Isn't he wonderful? He goes apo taco over the monster. God, he's a kid, he's awesome. The best ever. the goat. Randy a Roserena with the RBI double. We are tied up at force. Buenos Contos in the Commonwealth. Full pension Piv getting his Avaldeon four-inning shuddy and

extras. Does the Harlem shake off the mound? Brum-Bron. Rays bullpen is showing out too. We're in the 13th. Kevin Kiermeier knockoff Trevor Plouf. It is high. It is far. It is off the wall. Yondi will score. Oh, no. Renfro boots it into the bullpen. Runners stop it. Second and third. Piv gets out of it. And if you've ever watched out a baseball game, you know what's happening next. Christian Vasquez, fly me to the moon over the monster. It's a walkoff in Fenway. They take game three, six to four final. Good stuff, Jake. I forgot about the Schwarber making the play and then waving and taking his hat off

and that's so fun. It was 10 out of 10 athlete humor. Dude, that's how you kind of unnerved the crowd because they're mad at you at first. But by doing that, it's like a quick reminder of, hey, I know I suck. They're playing me at a position I don't play. Don't blame me, but I'm not.

made that one. And then if he boots another one, they're going to give him some leeway. Like, ah, but he knows. You know, it's not his position. It's just a great move by a good guy. Just that's charisma. Went over the crowd.

That's something. I mean, you've got to been there, done that before in the playoff atmosphere to be able to pull something like that off. Bobby dollback ain't. Yeah, right? Promise you that. Got to have a little bit of a resume. And it's the old, like everyone was thinking it.

Like everyone in that stadium was like, oh, another one to Schwarbo. Is he thinking about it? Turns out he was. He made the play and he had some fun with it. So yeah, that was 10 of 10 athlete humor. You can tell whoever the infield coach there was like, hey, next time you get a ground ball, let's get the momentum working, stay down, go ahead and start running towards first base, and then we get the flip because that's exactly what he did different.

Give him a chance to catch it. Please. Because the first one was hilarious. It was almost comically bad. Man. His flip. His home run was also huge. I think that also gives him a little thing there

because the rays go up early. You're like, what? And then first pitch or second pitch at the game for Schwerber? And it's such a pop-up home run. It's such a Fenway Homer. Good for him. This was, so this game obviously gets nuts, and we're going to talk a lot about the late innings later.

This was a huge game for Boston. This is Nate Avaldi, they're one on the mound at this point. He looked good. He was getting a lot of punchies, five innings, two earned. Cora with a pretty tight hook on him, Cora season. The Red Sox, man, they were mashing. Seven for seven,

getting their lead-off hitter on and not just getting on, not drawing some walks, not a hit-by-pitch, hits, hits. That actually put this game script the pressure turned back on Boston. This game probably should have been

six, two Red Sox or something like that in the seventh or eighth inning to the point that the Ray's rally wander. He's unbelievable. Same with Randy. And hey, The Ray's bullpen did their thing, man.

And so did the Red Sox outside of Robles that led to the wild craziness at the end of this one. Pivotta's found his curve again. He was nasty. And the one guy that gave him a good at bat was Keirmeier in the 11th. He ends up striking him out. They try to go for the hit and run on the three-two pitch. Not hit and run, but they put Randy in motion on the three-two pitch. Pivotta goes dangerous with the – or not dangerous.

is a great pitch. I mean, Kev takes it. It's ball four, but he gets a strikeout. But that was the best at bat, so this is the Schwaburham run. He didn't even start running. It's just lands in the second row. Was the wind blowing out? Because that ball kept going.

I know. It didn't look like a home run at all off the bat, and I was shocked when it got there, but whatever. I mean, do we just jump to the Kiermire play? We can talk about Pave. a little bit. Let's let the guy have his shine. He was fired up, man. I love, you know, talk about the performance, great.

But when the energy there, man, like you focus on that because you know he's in that situation. And as soon as he gets that strike three call or a swing and miss and the inning, I mean, he leaves his body. That's not him. That's just straight up the crowd entering your soul and making you do whatever you do. coming off like that that won a lot of people over in Boston if he hasn't already done it with you know saving the bullpen like that showing that type of type of emotion and that type of game I mean that's what endears you to the fans man a lot of game two hawk got a lot of I mean obviously he deserves a ton of credit for shutting them shutting the raise down but now what paveta's done in game one and game three and I know game one he gave up runs but he's saying he says save the bullpen, and now game three, that gets that done.

So that has been kind of a main cog of this. Seven-k's, dude. Yeah, I mean, he should have given up the one run, but the rules, the rules, the rule, I guess. And I mean, hey, four-inning shutout is arguably going to go down as the best pitching performance in this series. And the curve, man. Top of the zone curve is something else.

That's not many people have that. He's found it. Man. Curvis nasty. And he's throwing cheese too. Like he's got so much adrenaline. That's high tea right there. You talk about high tea.

Full pension Piv, high tea. He was running into the dugout and then like all fired up on the field. But then he went down the gauntlet of high fives to the other entrance of the dugout to make sure he got all his teammates as well every time. It was really cool. Love that. It's like the Red Sox have fun, and baseball is a fun sport. They do. I do disagree with something you said in your burn.

You said Wander's a kid. I disagree. Oh. He's unbelievable. He looks like a seasoned fat. A lot of times people say that about rookies. Oh, he's a rookie, but you wouldn't know it by watching him. And like, Randy last year, you would.

He was amazing, but it was still like something of really. raw about it. There's nothing raw about Wander Franco. Everything looks poised and in control. He made that play where, you know, Looplo did have to make the scoop to get him to help him, but it was extra inning play. And he made the pick at Shorten the throw like it was batting practice. Like there was nothing on the line.

That kid is special. It doesn't act like a kid at all. How old is he supposed to be? 22? 20. He's younger than Dan. It's a lie. It's not a lie. I'm not calling out ages.

I'm saying he doesn't act like it at all. I was just being hyperboric about that. He does. 20? Yeah. Crazy. In a moment like that, like you're talking,

Jen, it's a playoff baseball, extra innings. Didn't give a shit. Didn't give a shit. And then the op-a-home run from him. Mm-hmm. I love the yellow.

I think I've said that before. The yellow just does it for me. I don't think there's like, there's like maybe this much yellow in the raised uniform. Not anymore. They're opening it up. Wonder's like yellow is our primary color because I said so. All right.

Do you guys even know what I'm talking about? Yes. Yeah. Okay. I like when the Ray's guys lean a little more into the baby blue than the yellow. But, hey, Cash kind of finally deploys his bullpen. I mean, we see Kittridge and Fairbanks in the, I mean, third and fourth innings. and man

Fairbanks gets jumped by Kike, but so was everyone. I think was he seven in a row hits at one point or six? I mean, yes, he was. Seven. Insane. Everyone else did their job. I mean, Fire Eisen Whistler, Shags, big two innings from D-Rob.

He might be the only guy that's out for tomorrow. I know we'll talk about that in a little bit, or today, excuse me. Reyes pen did their thing, and so the socks. man, Brazier comes into another big spot. He's been lights out for them. Man, Austin Davis comes in, and it's kind of one of the moments of this game that gets overlooked. That's, man, Cora empowering that guy.

5ERA on the year, not necessarily your lights out, electric stuff coming out of the bullpen. He gives him the lefty matchup, and he goes four-pitch walk, and then he gets B. Lowe, which, by the way, Wander was on deck for that and his numbers as a righty hitter are insane that if he doesn't get Below there, we could be talking about a three run shot over the monster

and that changes everything. So a lot of moving pieces in this one and the fact that it comes down to that crazy Kiermeyer off the wall, Renfro. Are you still running hot, Trev? I know you were running hot, hot. Hold on. I want to say,

Austin Davis and the way Cora has used him or at least used him last night. It's great. He's against lefties. He's nasty. But you run into a problem if you have to keep him in longer because he's not good against righties. So it'll be interesting to see if he tries to keep before that end of the yenning,

get you the last lefty out type of situation. But yes, I was running hot. You're running hot. And, you know, I said my last tweet, I tried to do a meme. My last tweet of the night, I don't know if it's considered the meme. But, you know, we're reacting to the game in real time.

You see that play. It seems so stupid. It's obvious when they slow it down, what should happen. Kiermire should be on second base, runner should score. And then everyone becomes a rule expert 30 minutes after the fact when they dig the rule up and all that stuff. So it's like everyone needs to chill out. I get that's the rule. We all get that's the rule.

That's what it says. Passing came out. You know, first actually passed out, delete a tweet. I always got to mention that. Always. It got me hot. I don't know. I mean, how could you not get hot?

Either side is like, what just happened there? Yeah, so for anyone that didn't watch the game and just coming to us for a recap, Keirmeyer hits a ball with the runner on base tied up in the 14th inning or 13th, whatever it was. It hits the top of the short wall in front of the Red Sox bullpen and then bounces off the ground and then Renfro's running to field it and then it hits his body like his leg or his Big ass body. Yeah, his leg or his waist or something.

And ricochets back over the wall. If the ball stayed in play, there's no doubt Yandi Diaz scores. They were sending him. He was like four steps in front of third. And Renfro didn't even have the ball. Renfro's got a good arm, but he's flat-footed. He's on the track. They're sending him.

He's scoring, if you argue with that. I haven't even seen anyone take that aside. So he's scoring. The Red Sox catch a break because the rule says, if this happens, each runner gets two bases from the last base they occupied, from the base they occupied at the time of the pitch. So he was at first. So the runner on first goes to third.

The batter goes to second at second and third. So they applied the rule perfectly. Then the rule goes on to say, only if it's incidental. You can't, a throne ball would move the runners from, two bases from where they are at the time the ball is thrown. So if Renfro accidentally like threw it, hit Kike's back and then went over, they would have scored, you know, or if he kicks it on purpose out of frustration or anything on purpose. So they applied the rule perfectly.

And when you go and you watch other times, this rules come into play, like there's so many different ways it can happen. So I guess if they were to say it's just a judgment call that leaves it up to like too much of the ump's discretion, which they like their black and white rules. So they just made it. it's a terrible break for the race because the runner's scoring. And he didn't do it on purpose,

but they get, it's so odd to benefit the team for misplaying a ball. I don't even know where to go with this one, man. If Renfro catches that, Klain turns and fires, makes his best throw, Yandi scores. Oh, he's not even throwing to home. So he gets rewarded for making a bad play.

he throws the ball to the cutoff man towards third base. That's exactly what he does if he gets that ball. Yeah, he didn't do it on purpose. We all know that. It's just an extremely bad, bad break for the race. And when you battle and you do something that you're supposed to do, like you come through in the clutch and then that gets taken away from you, I mean, that's tough.

And I want to say the people who are like, the socks won by two runs, so they still would have won. Like, get real. Get real. Get real with yourself here. Okay, what's that called? Butterfly effect or something? Everything's not going to be the same if he's on second base and they're ahead by one run right there.

Who knows what would? They might have scored 10 runs and you're made up world that you're saying they still would have won by one run. The raise in my made up world would have scored 30 runs that inning. So there. Michael Kay refers to that as the fallacy. of the predetermined outcome. Bet that's much more well-spoken than what I just said. It's not like a phrase.

I think Michael Kidd gets credit for those words being put in that order. But, you know, it's what you're saying. If Kiermire, they score and Kiermire goes to third, what's to say there's, you know, now there's a runner on third. So they pitch him differently. And now there's a pass ball, wild pitch, and he's, and he's scoring. or what's to say they don't they keep Patino in or what's yeah obviously you cannot play that game there it's it's part of the beauty of sports and it's part of the ridiculous of sports

keermeyer hits one of the shortest fences in the game but one of the deepest right fields top of the wall and then Vasquez I mean he goes over the massive wall and he's about a foot over the monster and that's uh it's the beauty of this disgusting sport that we all love And, yeah, man, it's setting up for another wild one today. Like, I expect more of the same as, you know, I think there's one scary pitcher left in this series. It's Tanner Halk. So are the socks going to deploy him today?

Or if they go down, do you save him for five? I would think the socks save him for five. But we know that's not Cora's game, man. And if Cora's got a chance to win, he's going to go for the win. So I don't know. It's going to be a fun one. Division rivals. If you're the race.

What I said when we previewed this game was the best thing for the Red Sox was to win the game by one run or two runs and make the raise use a lot of bullpen. Well, they did that. Plus took them five extra innings. So the rays are in bad shape here. How many guys do the rays have left that can go multiple innings? That can go three innings available for tomorrow's game, today's game. I don't think they ever approach it. Like, let me get three innings out of you.

So I don't think there is in a bad shape as maybe we make him out to be. You know, I think that, like, Jake, I think you alluded to it. D. Rob might be the only guy not available today. And even then, he's going to be available. It's the playoffs. I think D. They can pitch back to back days. I think D. Rob's the only guy.

D. Robb is the only guy. I think he's the only guy out. I mean, I think Boz is back in play for this game. I mean, Kittridge, Fairbanks, Shags, Whistler, Fire Eyes. It's all hands on deck. It's an elimination game, which we saw that on the south side. Like, I think Drew Rasmussen might be in play. He threw 33 pitches yesterday.

I can't promise you he's out. So the key for the raise is you don't want to see the bad man. I think if the Red Sox are up, I think Hawks coming in. because we've seen Cora every playoff series when he gets a chance to go for it, he's going for it. Yeah, they're starting to queue tonight. So we'll see how long he can go,

because he didn't pitch last night, right? I just got postponed, so that helps the raise a ton. Oh, that's Astros. Oh, they already postponed that game. See, Rosie was saying they were going to do that. Yeah, white socks postponed. Other socks still playing. Sox.

Yeah. You know, I'm actually, happy that happened though can i tell you that okay i'm happy that weird thing happened i'm happy the ray is actually lost last night because i want i don't want to see them roll through the playoffs like i think if if they get past this series the narrative is a lot different on them it's like we don't talk about them as some novelty team that like they put together and you know has seemingly broken baseball we talk about them as like a grindier ass team coming back from a difficult loss like that having to win another one in Boston and then, you know, closing out at home.

I think the narrative completely changes for that team. Yeah, I'm interested with, because we'll talk about White Sox in Houston in a minute. Are we done? I think we're done. Yeah, the stream just crashed. Stream dead. Keep it going. Yeah, I think the thing that's different here than the White Sox Houston game we're about to talk about is,

White Sox Houston, it doesn't feel like that changed the outlook of the series. This game felt like it did. I think today's game, if it goes back to Tampa, I mean, it's raise up. But Boston, I mean, it's in their hands right now. They got a game in Fenway to end this series. And all that beautiful stuff, Trev said about the race could be out the door instantly. Yeah. And then we're going to be talking about Boston being.

it's another one of those years in Boston where they weren't supposed to do anything and they proved everybody wrong. That's their narrative. That's all they do. You know? I'm running for the Red Sox to win and then the Astros to win

and then the NL to win. I figured it out last night. Astros to win. What about the premonition, bro? You have to keep with the premonition, James. Yeah. No one said it's going to be easy. Maybe it was just a passing premonition.

I don't want the race to go to the World Series. I, uh, it's funny. We just had like Red Sox fans saying that we're biased against the Red Sox fans, Ray's fans saying we're biased against the race fan. Bias against both, to be as honest as I can. They're right. Red Sox win. I hate the Red Sox, but I like the way they go about running a team better.

So then the Astros to beat the Red Sox. I don't really care about the Astros. And then the N out of win. Boom. Hmm. That's my hope. Not what I think is going to happen. I'd like the White Sox to come back.

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Eloy the other big baby RBI single. It's one nothing socks, but don't mess with Texas. Tucker, I barely know her. Kyle hits a two RBI double and then a two RBI home run with a little Jake the Rake Myers in between. It's 5-1 Astros. They're sweeping harder than when you know mom's coming to visit. Are you a Titsman or a Yasman? Yes, Monty Grandal.

Two-run shot after he should have struck out looking. Five-three stroes. Garcia on Garcia on Garcia. Yimmy relieves Luis to give up the Homer to Lurie. It's 6'5 in the south side. Go crazy, folks. Good times. But the stroves, this kind of gets missed in this.

They answered back Bregman with the RBI single to tie it at sixes and bottom forth. This is when the chaos happened. Jose Abrey with the RBI single to make it 7-6. Here comes Grinky, our guy out of the bullpen, Hall of Famer. Yes, Mani, grounds one to first. Let me bounce right to left and let your shoulder lean. Leans into it a little bit running up the first baseline. Ups, nobody's out.

The run scores. It's eight to six, make it nine after the Eloy infield single. Six to nine, pretty nice, BBD. It would stay that way. Into the eighth after a couple dominant bullpen performances to pair a bummer and Javier for the Astros over there. But in the eighth, that Andrew Vaughn is one fine piece of ace. RBI double, Garcia again, and then TA7, icing on the cake.

White Sox double them up in a game they do. needed to keep their season alive 12-6 final. Oh boy, I was hoping you were going to go with Veronica Vaughn. I knew you were. I could kind of sense it. That Veronica Vaughn. She's a hot. Hot in that movie.

Hot. I thought, wow, wow, wow. The Astros just lock this up. Hmm. Mm. But then the yes man gets that pitch to stay alive, hits a homer.

They take out Garcia in the middle of his at-bat against Garcia, 2-0 count, and they bring in Garcia to replace Garcia against Garcia, pissing off all three Garcias. You're going to take me out in the middle of that bat? You're going to bring me in in the middle of a 2-0 count? You're going to switch pitchers on me mid-at-bat? Everyone's mad, Dusty, just, like, ruining everything good about Garcia Bowl. So Lori hits a homer

And you're tied up What did Dusty say about that? He had a plan He had a plan Dusty had a plan He had a plan And then Grandelle runs Into the ball on purpose

The guy with his cane I mean A lot of spooky stuff happening In the south side It was rocking too Some of those visuals Of the crowd last night Were like

Incredible And it's not I mean that's People talk about Fenway they talk about Philly, about tough, and the Bronx, obviously, about tough places to play. Fans, you know, saying shit to you.

Southside is also on par with all of those tough stadiums to play out. These people are relentless, and they do love their team. I'm happy to see them show out the way they did, because they, the White Sox have very, very passionate fans, as you can tell.

Man, some of those cut screens looked like a crazy soccer. crowd. That was awesome. Yeah. And yeah, I heard it was their first playoff home game in like 12 years or something like that. Something shocking for the Chicago White Sox.

And man, we forget stuff like that. Like that means so much to White Sox fans. Like to have that. And by the way, their season on the line against the Astros, the favorites to make it out of the American League. Good for them for Batlin.

If they make this a series or somehow come back. I mean, Tom Hallion, who was one of the stars of this game, and I don't even mean it in a bad way. The way he was punching dudes, I'm for it, man. That's entertainment. That's what sports is at the end of the day. But, man, that missed strike three on Yismani,

and then he hits the home run. They had a 5-1 lead. Like, that's pretty close to game over. Instead, it was not. And if you're the Astros, you don't, A, I very much believe in. game paths in baseball and that obviously changes things significantly, but, you know, you still had a chance.

This game was 6-6 and then, yes, Monty throws the shoulder into one. If you're an Astros fan, you probably had a bad time last night. I'm sorry, but, hey, good for the White Sox. The sticks came out to play and now a little rain delay, so they'll have... Bullpenes get to get healthy. Fully rested in a do-or-die game again. That could be something. Who's going to be starting?

Game four. Rodon for the White Sox and Orkidi for the Astros. I wonder, I know they own him, but I think Lance Lynn will be full rest for tomorrow. So that opens up the board for the White Sox a little bit. Very interesting. Yeah, you know, they might change.

You're right. They might change now. I don't know. The game's postponed officially. Official official. Rodon, I mean, he's not stretched out. He went five endings, you know, last four times out.

only pitched four times in September. So they are going to need to have some people behind them, and this really helps the socks out. Holy crap. Yeah. Probably both teams, I guess, that extra day. Now you can line everything up the way you want it, no matter what.

So does that push the travel day back? Like, is... I have no idea. I don't think there will be a travel day. So, yeah, they're just going to play in Chicago, and then they go straight to Houston. for game five the next day? Yeah, Wednesday. Yeah. Wednesday will be the game five, yeah.

Big news after the game was Ryan Tepera the White Sox reliever in his post-game press conference said this. It is what it is. They've obviously had a reputation of, you know, doing some sketchy stuff over there. And it's just we can say that it's, oh, I think you saw the swings and misses tonight compared to, you know, the first two games of Minibate.

But that's not really the story. know. We come here to play. You know, we're going to compete. We're not going to worry about what they're going to do. All we have to do is execute pitches and they can't hit them anyways. Oh, my God. It is what it is.

Interesting. To Perra. I was telling him. I'm going to lead my answer. What's that? But don't, don't. He's like, I'm going to lead with this to the answer to answer your question. But also don't talk about what I just said.

Yeah, you can't really drop that's out of the story. Like, once you do this, you do this. But I don't know. This sucks. I was telling Jake this because the Ray's broadcast announcers were like, the Red Sox got to be doing something. Their manager cheated in the past and they're all over these pitches. I don't know if that's exactly what they said,

but everyone was tweeting that about the Red Sox, especially game two. I got so many tweets and then game three. And then to have the Ray's broadcast hinted at it. I didn't hear what they said. But then this, like, baseball's got to fix this. And I don't, because I don't know if the esters are still cheating.

I don't know if anyone's still cheating. I don't know anything. But anytime you get hit hard or you or something, you don't like the way they're swinging or their approach. And that's the lingering doubt is, I do believe, like, really bad for growing the game and getting people invested and believing the outcome. So it sucks. I don't know what the Astros are doing or not doing,

but there's also a part of me, Treve, that thinks kind of the athlete brain, like they won at home, they lost on the road. For them, it might be easy to be like, well, of course we lost at home.

They fucking cheat. It was nothing to do with us. Like reassurance in a way. Yeah, I guess. I guess that's what he was going for. I'll say this. I don't think anybody's cheating using a camera in center field and relaying signs in.

time i just don't that is not happening anymore it's it's just not okay so i understand the resent we talk about this so much i understand the resentments towards the 2017 2018 and possibly 2019 astros i get it dude and the core people are still in the lineup and you can not like them because they didn't have a real punishment blah blah blah but to come out and say that would know like data or information because the data doesn't even really back it up i mentioned this today on baseball today. You know, there are 22 swings and misses in that game, 15 and 17 in the first two games respectively, like not a huge, crazy difference. What I do think, though, Jim, is that people are more in tune. Organizations are more in tune of can we, can we find a tip on this guy?

And I think we have people that jobs are probably to do that. And, you know, I don't know where that lies with you as a fan, you know, like is that, in my opinion, if a player is getting that, it's obviously not cheating. That's gamesmanship. That's what you're, that's what happens in the sport. If you're setting up a guy to sit there with the computer and maybe have some sort of program to scan the video to see differences, I don't like that. I do think that is cheating. But if a player is doing it himself, that's just regular old baseball. So I think there's more of an emphasis to finding stuff like that. We've already seen Hendricks do it.

We've heard that they, or excuse me, the Yankees had it on Hendricks that we found. I have a sequence episode about that. That was really easy. And then we also heard about Eovaldi. I think teams are just trying to find a way. Because if you do have a tip, think about how much that benefits you offensively.

I think that's kind of where the game is, to Perra and telling everybody that the asteros are still cheating at home, I think is a really, really bad look. Yeah. And that's the part that sucks the most because there's just there's no end to the conversation. There's no win. There's the I don't know. I mean, that's, you know, people like Jim said, people were saying that about the Red Sox on their broadcast and they're, oh, seven for seven in their leadoff hitters.

And it's like, well, I don't know. Those guys seem pretty dialed and they're having good at bats. But like there's just no end to the conversation. You can't prove anything. And especially, you know, people tie it. into the Red Sox expectation this year, and now they're overachieving, and Core is the difference, blah, blah, blah. You know, that sucks.

And then, yeah, same, you know, same with this Houston White Sox game. And I think the part that does suck for us is, like, we know that teams are willing to do anything to get an advantage. Like you said, you know, we don't know where we stand on if you have some computer program that can overlay every starting pitcher's fastball and then their curveball. and the computer can point out three differences. Like, yeah, that kind of sucks. That doesn't feel like baseball, right?

No, that's bad. And Jimmy talking about when... I don't want to make sure... I'm anti-that. Right. And, you know, Jimmy, they're always flashing multiple signs because teams just live in fear now. Like, that's not great.

It's kind of cool when you're watching it home and you see the catcher flash the two. And you're like, oh, here comes Uncle Charlie. Get ready for it. That's favorite part of baseball. It's favorite part of the game. So, yeah, I mean, baseball needs to find a way to attack this better. and I think the part that sucks, you know, we cover the game.

Is there still a chance there's some sort of funny business going on? Absolutely. It's just to what degree? Like, I think we all agree there's nobody doing what the Astros did with a live camera feed banging something. Is there a chance teams are doing whatever they can? Always. Always.

It's just where's the line and we have no idea. So, hey, maybe we'll find out in three years if teams are doing funny business. I know Treves fashion icon. Ben Verlander was defending what the Stroes were doing on the internet last night. Hey, what? You're defending what? He dropped a, you know, a lot of teams were doing what the Astros were doing last night on the internet. I mean, I don't know about a lot of teams, but there was other teams doing shady stuff.

Yeah, we talked about this. I mean, we don't need to keep going into it. This two freaking awesome teams playing great ball, and now, you know, I don't know. Chos McFly said it best. The series doesn't start until the road team takes a game, except he slaughtered that line and it was really funny because it's just such a good bad baseball line. And basketball, too, I guess. Hmm.

I'm like all over the place now. Dude, I think I'm coming up on this. Let's see if I'm in this preview. I mentioned this on the live stream with you guys. The documentary they're making about like the MVP race that they had me be part of. I believe the, they didn't tell me I wasn't all to talk about it. I believe the premise is that I'm like chatting on a Zoom with Ben Verlander. That's like the premise of it.

Is this the thing that Scruggs he sent over? I don't know. I didn't see that. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. Okay. I like Scruggs, by the way. He was doing the radio broadcast of the Ray Sox,

and I was tuning into that for a little bit. And he's good. I like his voice a lot. He's improved a lot and quickly. He just started doing this last year. Do you hear the story that Jess and Verlander was going to throw out the first pitch of the Astros game with Mattress Mac, and then all the Astros players.

said no. And they told, they said he, they didn't, they didn't want him to do that. So then it didn't happen. I didn't hear the story. Wow. Because he hasn't been with a team all season while rehabbing and getting surgery. So they were like, no. Where has he been?

Home? Just doing whatever he wants. Yeah. Okay. Fucking. Because he's a free agent after this year. Like next year. Does he get a ring?

No idea. Can't throw out first pitch, don't get a ring. That's what I think. He'll get a ring. All right, three games tonight. Braves hosts the Brewers. Is that the 4 o'clock? It's the one.

That's the one? It's starting, yeah, a couple minutes. Oh, it was White Sox won their time. Is that the difference? They were 3.30. So it was probably 2.30 their time. But. What do you got on Brewers?

Brewers Braves. Prev's last eye on. Ion Anderson, Anderson versus Freddie P. This series is going five. Like, I almost feel bad. I almost feel bad. Like, you kind of don't have to watch this game. But it's probably going to be great baseball.

Braves back at home. That crowd's probably going to be pretty rowdy, huh? Atlanta home game. Monday at one, I'm interested. Columbus Day slash Indigenous People Day. And everyone works from home now. I think it's going to be rowdy. It's, what is it today?

Indigenous People Day. Well, it's Columbus Day, which was a national holiday. Then they were like, wait, let's reread the history books. Columbus was an awful person. Awful person. We talked about it. I think that's nobody's birthday. It's my dad's birthday.

Well, it's not always on the 11th, right? It's just like the second Monday. Yeah, it's not always because my dad's birthday's tomorrow. He was named Christopher because he was born on Christopher Columbus Day because when he was born, it was like a holiday. It was like if it landed on a Wednesday, you got off work holiday. So now they're giving it to the day. The indigenous people as well. Like in Australia, they have a National Warsari Day to the Aborigines.

I knew that. Yeah, I think that's a good name change. Good job, America. So I don't know how the crowd's going to be. I'm interested. They're kind of, if they come through and they are crazy, they've kind of come up against a bad schedule and timing for their first home playoff game, and I'm even more impressed.

If they don't, tough time. One o'clock on them. I think they'll be there. because you have time to plan for this. This is their first home game. People are like... It's true. They want to be there.

I think they'll show up today. And this is going to be good baseball. See Rose Aspe this morning. If this was the day where the offenses show up and there's someone breaks out, I don't think the offenses are going to break. I don't think these two teams are built to break out. Braves a little bit deeper on the offensive side. But I think these are just going to be close games.

I just think they're going to be like good kind of pitching deep. defense strategy, big hit type of games. I don't think there's going to be one team that runs away with any game here. And that's, you know, it's going to make for some good baseball the next couple of days. Game five Thursday night. See you there. Yeah. I mean, kind of, right?

Passing just had a funny quote tweet. Jesse Rogers tweeted, regarding sign stealing, Tony LaRuse's idea to the league was to require the runner on second base to turn towards center field. When the sign is given to the catcher, then turn back. The idea was ignored. And passed and quote tweeted it and just said, I wonder why. What the fuck? Outside the box.

There's no way he really said that. Come on, man. That's blindfold the base runners. Tony had to say that as a joke. Yeah, that's what I'm thinking in jest. You know, and also to go back about the catchers hammering like 50 signs when no one's on base, you know who doesn't do that? Yachty.

remember watching him, he was the one doing two. Yeah. One. And that is fun to watch and be like, here comes the breaker. I, if I was to run a broadcast, I would have it. Whenever they're giving basic signs, I would have it split screen or zoomed in all the time. I think it's the most compelling part of a game is, it's basically like when we do Back Alley,

and we talk to the camera and everyone comments, they love knowing what we're thinking about the pitch. Well, you can do that in baseball. It's there for you to understand. If the catcher throws down two and the pitcher shakes it, well, now we know he doesn't want to throw his curveball there. Oh, I wonder why. It's the best part of baseball, in my opinion.

Now you have me wanting pitchers Mike Duff in spring training. I would love to have a pitcher be like, I'm about to blow this mother effort away. Yeah. One more note before we leave, the White Sox are dead because they just pissed off the Astros. The one thing you don't do is say you're going to, like, get the Astros.

The Oakland tried to play big bad justice person last year. And the Astros just fucking stormed through them. So Tepara just killed any momentum, the White Sox hat, in my opinion. Tepara and the rain, White Sox lost all momentum from game, from winning this game. Astros are going to come out pissed. Pist. Pist. I think the only team that has the ability to do that and come away clean, Jim, is the Dodgers.

Not the white socks We got to win All right Is that it? No We haven't talked I mean What hopefully is the game of the night

We talked Ray's Red Sox a little bit It's going to be Whoever has the arms And if the Red Sox cared If the Red Sox cared a win or not Colin McHugh Getting the start, that's fun Giants Dodgers tonight

Treves Dodgers Going against Treves Giants Alex Wood versus Max Scherzer. Dodgers big favorites in that one. I don't know how you lay your cheddar. Don't. I know it's Scherzer. Just stay away from that. Sprinkle a little on those Cibedohianthas. They just got to get one. Late night, Lamont. They just got to get one. So that's going to be the fun storyline. Because if you're the Giants, I think if you have a chance, if this is a tied game in the 6th,

empty it. Bring out Rogers, bring out Doval, do anything you can to push one across and get that win because you just got to get it back to the bay for Logan Webb in game five. Yeah, see you Thursday night. Or if Shurzer drops dick on you tonight, it's a scary tomorrow for the Giants. Scary. See you Thursday at 9 Eastern. What are they running at you said? so NLDS the other side.

Oh, it would be an early day. Well, Thursday at 5 Eastern. Oh, that's nice. That's beautiful. Game 5 of Giants Dodgers would be a 5 o'clock Eastern start. No, Braes Brewers will be 5, and then Dodgers Giants would be 9. You got me so excited for a second.

It's a trap. Yeah. All right, well, there you go. There you have it. Thanks for joining. Sorry that the live stream cut out for everyone that joins live. Everyone that listens on the podcast app. You're golden.

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