Talkin' Baseball (MLB Podcast) - 416 | The Houston Astros are Going Back to the World Series

Episode Date: October 23, 2021

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Starting point is 00:00:01 Hello and welcome to Talking Baseball. America's team is going to the World Series. The Astros and the inmates are running the asylum here. Moylan, Ploof, Story Ellie, Baby D! Holy cow. What is going on, everybody? Welcome to Talking Baseball. Half of the World Series is set.
Starting point is 00:00:38 The Houston Astros. They are doing it. Spoiler. Spoiler alert for the rest of the episode. Man, it's unbelievable, but it's also super believable. They were kind of the Vegas money going into the playoffs. We talked about them all year. So much talent.
Starting point is 00:00:59 And we'll see if they come full, full circle in a couple weeks. But until then, John Boy, everyone send your love to him. They're doing the services for his grandma today. a big part of talking yanks so send some love his way so to sub in a guy that you know to get a couple outs out of the pen
Starting point is 00:01:22 when you need them and God do we need him right now Peter Moylan Pete here I am thanks for having me I feel I feel honored I feel I feel a little nervous today I'll be honest this is a big deal for me you guys are a big deal now
Starting point is 00:01:42 The Braves are a big deal There's a lot happening for me right now I bought a new jacket today So I'll be sporting that tonight But Trev I know you've been the Braves guy Tonight's the night We've got to do it rather
Starting point is 00:01:56 Tonight is the night That's a good song It's a spice girl song I think When to become one Woof I did not know that Yeah it really is I used to like the spice girl
Starting point is 00:02:09 Still do Not gonna lie I'd go watch that concert Peter Yeah Peter Jacob Big Big Dong
Starting point is 00:02:16 Hey The Astros Who would have seen that coming In the World Series Who would have called that At the beginning
Starting point is 00:02:23 of the year Weird Weird Weird Yeah What a game Last night Garcia
Starting point is 00:02:31 Now we know How big it is It's huge Because he dropped It on the table Last night And I can't
Starting point is 00:02:39 wait To talk about it Oh Jake, how are you doing? I'm good, man, I'm good. Me and BBD are in the Bronx. Yeah, Garcia, good for him after his other playoff outing. The hair, the wind-up is like, I love it so much.
Starting point is 00:02:58 I wonder how many. Peter, do you think pitching coaches just tried to beat that out of them forever and then he kept striking everybody out so they let it ride or what? I think it's honestly more of a timing. thing and a not tipping the pitches thing. So I, look, it helps his rhythm.
Starting point is 00:03:19 I understand there was a mechanical adjustment made between starts, and it certainly has helped him. He was not even close to what he was last night compared to start before. He was four, five, six miles an hour velo more. The breaking stuff was disgusting. He was big game, big game Garcia.
Starting point is 00:03:43 Ooh. It's a, I don't want to get, I won't get rumor mill started. I alluded to it a little bit on our live stream last night. Thanks for everyone that was there. But he was ticked up last night. And he's a young guy. He's 24. He didn't throw a ton of pitches the previous start.
Starting point is 00:04:03 But I think, you know, what was the stat going around? That he had 17 fastballs over 96 miles per hour during the regular season. and last night he had 24 or something. Is that just juice? Is there a radar gun funny business? Because Framber was also sitting up the other night too, and that hasn't been, that shouldn't be the story of this playoffs. Right.
Starting point is 00:04:32 It can be, I think the V-Lo tick, and everybody talks about the playoff Velo tick. But, yeah, I don't know. Call it a mechanical adjustment. I don't know. Call it Toradole. Call it whatever you want. Maybe it was, maybe they just decided that maybe you got a
Starting point is 00:04:49 quarter zone shot. Maybe he's on a dose pack. We don't know. There's so many things that could be, that could, that happens at this time of year that, that it's playoff time. There's no tomorrow. So it's guys do things differently. And then they maybe just say, forget it, forget about little niggling things and
Starting point is 00:05:03 carry on. It happens to, you know, he's, he's still a young guy. I know he's pitched, you know, all year this year in the show. But prior to 2020, he's an A ball Yeah freaking A ball So I
Starting point is 00:05:19 You know My experience is not as a pitcher But when you do get the call As a young hitter Let me tell you this The power goes up There's something about that That juice
Starting point is 00:05:31 That adrenaline Something about being in the show In big moments You are going to be A little stronger You are going to throw A little bit harder He did tick up a lot
Starting point is 00:05:42 In that game So I'm going to I'm going to go, it's probably the guns, a little juice, even though we did get like an email from some smart guy saying that that wasn't the case. But I think it's a combination of adrenaline, possibly a dose pack, Peter. Nice call right there. And then, yeah, I just think that you get that bump, man. Like, he's excited.
Starting point is 00:06:04 So my question is with the Velo thing, aren't we all tracked by the trackmans now? So it all should be consistent? It should be. But, like, who, um, calibrates those? Like, I know that I've heard this from multiple people that certain organizations will, like, mess with their calibrations of their track man in the minor league. So, like, teams don't get, like, perfect reads on players. So, like, there's, there's tomfoolery going on, no doubt about it. Wow.
Starting point is 00:06:39 Heavy. Heavy stuff, guys. Well, uh, heavy stuff. Yeah, we can, we'll deep dive into that on our three of this episode. But for now, let's recap last night's game. Well, Jake. Okay. Trev.
Starting point is 00:06:55 You burning? I'm going to burn a little bit. Oh, my God. I think we're all burning a little bit. Hey-yo. But yeah, I'm excited. We've got the hitter's perspective. We've got the pitchers perspective.
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Starting point is 00:08:48 Let's go, Beavers. Jake, on your market, gets that burn. Houston trying to advance to the World Series with two games back at the Pult Factory. Luis Sergio Garcia would try to stripe up a few good innings. Meanwhile, for the socks, who else would they want?
Starting point is 00:09:08 but Nate Dogg Avaldi as he tries to make it regulate to get the socks to a game seven. Michael Yordaun Alvarez is looking like the goat. Oh, Kike got there, but he couldn't squeeze it off his wrist. It's one nothing. Houston after one. Guess what? It'd stay that way into the six. Nate Dog got out of big situations.
Starting point is 00:09:35 Kind of the story. Luis Garcia, he's going no hit. until Piquet clips him. He gets yanked, dusty, instant with the pole, and it works out for them. Into the sixth, crazy play, King Tuck, Browns out to Schwabber. He turns, he tags, he throws, Yordon scores in the play. It's 2-0. Into the 8th, still 2-0-0.
Starting point is 00:10:01 Sox, where's the offense on the other side? King Tuck. How'd you get so funky? opposite field, Kyle Tucker from Tampa into the Crawford box. It's 5-0, Houston. That would be your final. Luis Garcia, 5.2 shuddy, one hit. Maiton, Graveman, Stannick, Presley, the Red Sox season on the line only muster up two hits. And guess what? The bad man is dancing. Houston, is going to the World Series.
Starting point is 00:10:46 Hell yeah, Jakey, Bill Boy. Snaps for myself. Yeah. You are the man. Peter, you're the guest of honor today. I'll kick it to you first in this game. I mean, what jumps out? Is it all Garcia or what else?
Starting point is 00:11:02 Look, I took some notes here. There are a couple of the play by Altovae in the first inning. stopping a potential run and a potential little bit of a lift in the first inning, huge. Garcia, the tick, the uptick, the stuff tick, the everything tick. That was what he was for the majority of the season. We've talked about him a lot on our pod. He's really good, so this isn't a shock for me. He keep playing center field off Yordan.
Starting point is 00:11:37 He got to the ball off the wrist. could have made the catch, didn't make the catch, cost them a run there. So look, there was just so much that went Houston's way in this game, and the offense ran out for Boston, as far as I'm concerned. They were going to have to bang their way through this series, and they did for the two wins, and then they just ran out of steam, it looked like. Oh, yeah, baby. They ran out of steam.
Starting point is 00:12:01 And, you know, Kelsey came on. We were talking to her, and she said that you guys had mentioned, like, the recency bias in fans during the postseason is nuts. like Boston comes out. They drop it. They score a bunch of runs. They can't stop hitting grand slams. And in everyone's mind, it's like they're going to do that every single game. The Astros pitching is toast.
Starting point is 00:12:21 Come to find out, it's a game of adjustments, people. Guys can make adjustments. And Erica has some really good notes in our sheet here, talking about Alex Cora even noticed the difference between the pitching that they had with Framber and into the Luis Garcia game. you know they changed up the strategy a lot of non-competitive pitches early on boston hitters are good they spit on shit like that so brent strom and martin maldonado said let's go let's attack the zone early let's get ahead of hitters which seems like a pretty easy strategy to to go in to a game with but uh it worked out and boston's offense didn't show up and even with a really good performance by nate iolvaldi a really good one especially getting out of that that jam was at first third no outs. Second and third even, yeah.
Starting point is 00:13:11 Yeah. It was, is it, yeah, it was, it was. In the third and no one it was it. Third? Strikes three dudes out in a row, you know. Boston held on as long as they could and then the Tucker Homer, which we'll get into, but only a homer at minute mid. The only park.
Starting point is 00:13:32 It's a homer at. And that's, that's the Houston, that's playing there. That's what, while we've mentioned many times. on this pod, don't matter the lead there. It's not safe. Because of stuff like that, the Crawford boxes are a joke. They're an absolute joke, dude. And the way like the outfield
Starting point is 00:13:49 plays, it's a completely different type of ballpark there. And that's why they, I mean, not, people always reference, oh yeah, they have a home field advantage because they cheat. No, it's because it's a tough place to play. The fans are good. It's a good ball club. They know how to play to their ballpark, like better than anybody
Starting point is 00:14:05 in the league. rudder. Do they know how to play to their ballpark? Because we don't think they do. We think they just need a bunch of outfielders that can go get it. I don't know. Hey, they figured out something this year. Hopefully the Rockies have figured it out after two decades of baseball.
Starting point is 00:14:25 But how about some Rockies love during the end of the CS, finally? Yeah, I mean, Good owner there. Brantley. Brantley catches the ball right next to the Crawford. boxes. That was one of the Red Sox, you know, big swings of this game. And they're few and far between because Garcia was so nasty. And yeah, Peter, I'm a big game script, whether it's football, baseball. Those are probably the two biggest ones. You're right, man. If Garcia, who gets pulled
Starting point is 00:14:59 from his first start with some knee stuff or whatever it was, the gun wasn't working for him that day for whatever reason. If he comes into this game, he strikes out Schwerber, but ball gets by Maldonado and Schwerber's on first, and then a shot, and Altuve makes an incredible play on it. Full extension, in a shift, like, left side of the bag, you know, not a lot of second baseman make that play. And the outfield was open to the truth.
Starting point is 00:15:32 Yeah. So that's where. man, something like that would have changed the whole course of this game. And Trev, kind of to what you were saying before, you know, you and I both are big pat ourselves on the back guys, always have been, always will be. You know, you were defending Garcia yesterday because you're like, this is a talented dude.
Starting point is 00:15:56 Like, he can go and drop it, and he did. I, the Red Sox big blowout win, I wasn't lost in the sauce too much yet. Definitely a little scared after game three when they put up another 12 spot. But that first game where Boston Manias started kicking in, they hit two grand slams in the first three innings. And it's like if a team, if Houston did that to the Rockies, we wouldn't say like, oh, that's a normal game.
Starting point is 00:16:25 Like that's like, that never happens. So Houston got back into it. And I think more importantly, Treve, you're talking about Brett Strom and machete and how they started attacking the hitters. I guess that's what I'd have to look more into because the other thing that I've kind of been beating the drum on, like, yeah, of all these nice and Cora has some good bullpen experience. When the Red Sox are at their best, it's because their one through seven hitters are nasty. And let's be honest, these last three games, they had a couple hitters tap out of this series. so I don't know if that's kudos to Houston or if that's
Starting point is 00:17:03 I don't know question marks to Boston It's just baseball I think it's just the way of a series You know I can attest of that with that series Yeah Kike you know look
Starting point is 00:17:17 He went one for four yesterday He kind of hit the whole series But he's not going to put the team on his back Every single night You kind of need Someone to do that in these series like somebody has to step up and be the guy that gets the big hit or makes the big player
Starting point is 00:17:35 executes the pitch and the Astros just did that better in the last couple games of the series. Like Boston, we saw dudes do it. I think it was the second and third game, right? We saw guys step up. We saw it like the grand slams, like big hits in moments. Like when you have runners on base, that's what it takes to win these games. And it's just not going to happen. You're not going to get those hits every single game.
Starting point is 00:17:59 That's why, you know, like in these series like this, it's just, it's game by game. Like you can't get too high, too low as a fan or, I mean, obviously as a player, you just have to go out and attack what's in front of you. And get on Houston, I think their experience in these positions really helped them. Whereas maybe a team that is only in the postseason for the first time in five, six years, maybe would have folded. But Houston's been here and done it. So, like, they were never panicking and they showed that. So the narratives, last couple of weeks
Starting point is 00:18:31 have been the hot teams, you know, talk about the nationals where they swept in and took the World Series because they were hot. But the problem with being hot is that if that hotness runs out,
Starting point is 00:18:39 then you've still got the fundamental baseball to fall back on. And unfortunately, the Red Sox weren't a fundamentally sound baseball team as you have Kyle Schwabber playing first base. Yes. You know, there's that sort of issue.
Starting point is 00:18:51 So that's the same. The Houston, Houston's a good baseball team. They're, they look like they've, had a great spring training and they've just not stopped being fundamental baseball players. And it's the same with the Dodgers. They're good,
Starting point is 00:19:05 good baseball teams. So I'm hoping the hotness doesn't run out for the bravos and we can keep plowing on because I think we can at least put up a good fight against Houston. Yeah. We've seen that throughout these playoffs. Like teams moving guys around the diamond, sometimes out of necessity, sometimes they're just trying to be super smart.
Starting point is 00:19:26 trying to hide guys in center field. I don't really understand that. You can't really hide them in center. But the Astros don't have to do that. Like that's something that they don't have to do. And I think we've seen, like you mentioned, Schorber at first base, like I think he did, he's done pretty damn good over there.
Starting point is 00:19:46 Like he's actually scooped a bunch of balls and he made a difficult play last night that, you know, the Astros scored a run on, but what are you really going to do in that situation? I don't think many first basemen handle it differently, but I don't know, man, when you just look at the Astros team and, I mean,
Starting point is 00:20:03 look at your don. Like, their lineup is so good. Your Don just couldn't get him. How does he keep getting pitches to hit, though? How does he keep getting, that's my question is that like,
Starting point is 00:20:13 come on now. Yeah. Yeah. And I think he's, I think he covers so much of the zone. He's hard to pitch around. Well, put him on. Yeah,
Starting point is 00:20:23 you just go balls. Yeah. you throw balls, that's it, yeah. I'll throw up the fours at a certain point. Yeah, I think going back to game path, which I truly believe in, if Kike catches that ball, is this game zero, zero into the fifth? Because that changes a lot of pressure pitches. And, yeah, that Schwabler play, I think I almost don't want to do the whole thing on it,
Starting point is 00:20:46 because I think you just go in circles. Like, you know, the infield's in and you're in to get the out at home. it's a hot shot. Correa's right next to him behind him. He knows he didn't catch it on the fly. So the only thing you say is does he not try to tag Correa step on first and throw home? Do you just field it and throw home? Because then you're at risk of maybe getting no outs. And that's a bigger inning.
Starting point is 00:21:13 It just gets really tricky. So I know, you know, Schorbo's not exactly Prime Rizzo at first, but that play you can't complain about. There was that double play ball that Devers made the really nice catch on just to get the out. But yeah, you wonder, does that keep it a zero-zero game through five? Does that keep it a zero-zero game into like later innings on that second Yordon run? But there is something beautiful because as we're saying, it's the Houston Astros and Correa, Al-Tuvae. You know, you know these guys.
Starting point is 00:21:48 but the guys who did it in this game are the guys we know because we live and breathe baseball. But Yordaun Alvarez and Kyle Tucker, this is almost the next wave. These are the next dudes. These guys are young. These guys are absolute studs. Kyle Tucker racks up war defensively and offensively.
Starting point is 00:22:08 I mean, Yordan Alvarez, like, to give someone almost the next Big Poppy crown, like that's sinful after watching Big Poppy and what he, he did to my Yankees for a decade and a half. But you see Yordon and it's like, yeah, yep. Okay, so I'm a baseball fan and I watch baseball every day. I had no idea of the season Kyle Tucker had. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:22:34 Oh, yeah. Oh, my heavens. Yeah. Okay, so, yeah, he didn't just come out of nowhere then. I mean, he did really after last year, but he's had such an amazing year this year. Holy cow. And he's 24, but we kind of know the name because he's been around this Astros team since he was 21. So, I mean, this was the first, I mean, last year he got full run too, but last year was a weird year for a lot of people.
Starting point is 00:23:00 But yeah, I mean, you won't find a lot of outfielders that played 140 games with a 9-17 OPS. Like Kyle Tucker's a dude. Yeah, Peter, and you'll never forget him again if you just remember that he looks like Abraham Lincoln if Abraham Lincoln was to play baseball. What do you got on that swing, though? What do you got on that swing? You think that swing is going to be okay? You know, when I first saw him come up, I thought it was almost like, it almost looks like he was long. Because he's so upright.
Starting point is 00:23:31 He's so upright. I think he's, how tall is? He looks so tall. He's six, four, okay. Yeah. So he, I thought it'd be long because a lot of tall guys do have that problem where things, they just don't work compactly
Starting point is 00:23:47 but his path is really good he can get on base I mean this year he's at 360 lefty I mean he's only 24 years old too the guy the guy's a stud yeah he is absolutely stud and you're Don you just can't talk enough
Starting point is 00:24:02 about your Don I mean I've been on the train for a while I'm saying he's like a top we're just going straight hitting I think he's a top five guy in the league in the league Like, his at-bats, when I watch hitters, I watch how they take pitches.
Starting point is 00:24:19 And I watch, how often do they get fooled and make foolish swings? He doesn't, like, ever. And that's usually not with power. That usually comes without power. So he does that with power. He's the real deal. And he's facing some pretty, like, I saw the bat against Sayo, and I was like, oh, okay. This, like, Sale can make lefties look like they've never played baseball before.
Starting point is 00:24:44 he stood in there like he was facing me. Oh my gosh. Yeah, he's he's legit, man. He doesn't. I did a sequence episode about a bat that he had against Cole earlier on the season. Cole diced him up first at bat. Made him look stupid. Second at bat comes around.
Starting point is 00:25:04 Yordon takes him like third deck in Yankee Stadium. Makes the adjustment and won at bat. And that's another thing you look for. I mean, you know that as a pitcher, Pete. Like, if you see a guy making an adjustment that quick, you're like, okay, okay. So the crazy part is I didn't start and started really looking for those adjustments because I was, dude, I was literally a sinker slider guy. So whether you made adjustments or not, I couldn't trick you any more than what I was already trying to trick you.
Starting point is 00:25:28 So now that I'm actually talking about baseball and watching other people, I'm like, okay, now I see what they talk about. And I've noticed that mainly with young thick this year going from a bat to a bat instead of letting something drag for weeks, he fixes it in a couple days now. So it's been huge. Yeah, I think that's some of the hitting technology coming into play. Like, if you get out of sorts mechanically, they can, they can strap you up to these biomechanical, like, reading things. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:26:02 Sorry, where'd you go? A Stanford, a Stanford man. Instruments. I don't know what the fuck they're called, but they work because they can, you can say look my body was here and now my body is doing this so like if you're dropping the hands back here and you're losing your barrel that could tell you in an instant
Starting point is 00:26:22 whereas before it's like you had to find it on video and then you had to like pinpoint it on the video and then to go try it in the cage they can do that much quicker now I don't know if he's doing that I'm just saying that's available to player I feel much better now too because until this very moment I thought that the advantage was so far for the pitches as far as that
Starting point is 00:26:42 And it still is. It is. But the fact that you guys are at least able to see something. Mm. Mm. Nope. We might have lost Uncle Pete briefly. He'll be back.
Starting point is 00:26:57 We're wrestling the technology. It's good freeze frame on his face right now. I love wrestling. Oh, back. Peter's back. He's back. You were running so hot, too. It was like the pinnacle of the speech.
Starting point is 00:27:09 And then that's just how it is, man. I get my internet from Australia, guys. I'm sorry. That's a lie. They don't have internet in Australia. Good counter, Trev. You all know that. I don't know. Any final things on this game? Baseball can sometimes be a simple sport. I mean, Boston did not hit, which, again, is a credit to Houston's pitching at the same time.
Starting point is 00:27:35 We're happy for Dusty. Houston has always been a John Boy Media Company and anything else. Hey, I want people to go check out. Ryan Presley's interview on the field after the game talks about his dad passing. And I don't know who was interviewing him, but I can't believe people do this. It made for a good answer. And like it was a really heartwarming, but they asked him like, you know, what do you think your father's here with you or whatever? And man, he broke down.
Starting point is 00:28:06 And you could just see like the passion and the emotion for a guy who like, you know, like, you know, Presley's, he's out there doing it at the elite, elite level. Like, this guy's going into the World Series, going to be doing it, rarely shows that type of emotion until after he's done with his outing and stuff. But it was, it was a cool, it was a cool interview and very touching. Maybe I just like him because I play with them, but I think it's interesting. Human element, makes us human, man. It's still just, actually, you know, it's funny, I was out getting that new jacket this morning
Starting point is 00:28:41 and a lady comes up to me and she was just staring at me and she was like, you're the first person I've seen that I've seen on TV and you're actually just a regular person. I was actually at Nordstrom Rack guys and she's like,
Starting point is 00:28:50 you're a normal person. So we are humans. I'll let her touch me too. Not in that way, but just rub the tats a little bit. Wait, wait, whoa, whoa. She wanted to rub your tuts. I just, yeah, most people are fascinated by the ink.
Starting point is 00:29:08 Especially if the, she wasn't, she was a little older, it wasn't like it was yeah um okay okay that general it's the bible belt trev yeah yeah yeah tall shout out northsum rack up around the bible belt like this and they just like tall awsey with sleeve tats at nordstrom rack yeah i think there's rules you can you can be touched there um yeah i agree with that i had a well i'll do a quick flex on the people well one nerdy baseball flex i'll get this out of the way i didn't know kyle tucker is the brother of preston tucker outfielded played with him
Starting point is 00:29:41 Yeah, that's a, I wonder if I realized that before, but okay, that's a, that's a baseball deep cut a little bit. There was a group of 17-year-old, I'd say high school kids on the street the other day. And they were all, I don't know if they were wearing baseball stuff or kickball stuff, but I was like, okay, this is the demo. Like, let's see. They're walking past me. We're at a street corner. And this kid, I mean, two feet away from me, he's just staring at me. Like, staring, staring at me.
Starting point is 00:30:10 And it's like, okay, I've seen that look a couple times. Like he's, he knows, is he piecing it together? Is he not? Is he a Yankee fan? Is he a nervous kid? Is he going to say something? What's going on? And I'm with my dog.
Starting point is 00:30:23 Headphones in. So he's just staring. So I, like, I go one headphone out. And I'm like, what are we about to do? And he just goes, Story Ellie. So he had the last name. So he kind of knew what was going on. But I was just like, yeah, man.
Starting point is 00:30:39 He's like, all right. And then he started walking away and then he came back for the pick. Whatever, just flexing on him a little bit. He did not touch me. How does that feel, though? How does that feel? That's happening more or more for you, I'd imagine. Just hammer.
Starting point is 00:30:53 Just full, just full-torked walking the dog around the park. Metaphorically speaking. And then he ran into this kid. Yeah. Yeah. So, yeah, that's Red Sox. Straight home to Jess. Congratulations.
Starting point is 00:31:09 It's happening. It's happening. Hey, let's go. Red Sox, I know you don't want to hear any of this, especially from us, but kind of a hell of a run. Wild card to fucking stroze on the ropes. We'll have all offseason to talk about you guys. Houston, we're going to have another week or so to talk about you. Let's take it.
Starting point is 00:31:31 Wait, Trev, final line? Final line on the Red Sox. We told you, I'm Bloom. is a guy. We thought you needed to give him some time. He trades mooky bets. You yell at him. But I think you like Redugo.
Starting point is 00:31:49 I think you like what Heinz been doing. The people he brought in have really held the organization. Yankees need a hyam bloom. Yeah. The Yankees need a Heim Bloom. So feel good about yourselves, Red Sox Nation or whatever. I'll take two Heim blooms. Before we get into tonight's Dodgers Braves game,
Starting point is 00:32:14 Peter Moyland on the postgame show in his new jacket where the lady touched him at Nordstrom's. We'll talk about that and it's brought to you by dugout mugs. Dougout mugs. You guys know they've been BVD trying to cover you up. He moves it around. We get flexible here. Dougout mugs, they're rolling out a crazy promotion.
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Starting point is 00:34:03 Peter, you are the guest of honor. I mean, the news cycle for this game. already started going. It was supposed to be Scherzer. He taps out the night before. I'm really interested in that because we know Max Scherzer as the competitor of all competitors.
Starting point is 00:34:20 So for him to not even sleep on it and give himself a chance to be in this game, I find that really interesting. Looks like Walker Bueller's getting the spot start tonight for the Dodgers. And man, Obviously, in Atlanta, I know Peter, we already talked about his experience at the Nordstrom Rack today, but it's like, it's the conversation in the streets.
Starting point is 00:34:47 It's one of my favorite things about sports is when it really can take over a city. When I lived in Denver, if there was a Broncos game, that town turned orange and blue. It was kind of incredible. You know, a couple Yankees moments, if they were, you know, the city, it just, becomes a conversation, every doorman, every coffee shop. You hear other people talking about it on street corners. In Atlanta, the conversation was 3-1. It's now 3-2. It's back there. Peter, I see you struggling with technology. Can you hear us at all? Because you are literally our brave sky. I hear you. Trev. Peter Moyland has left the show. Trevor, with all of that set-up,
Starting point is 00:35:37 I'll kick it to you then. I got to be honest with you because you were directing the question to Peter. Do you want to know what I was doing? What were you doing? Be honest. I just bought some Shiba. Oh my God. Bitcoin company.
Starting point is 00:35:52 Peter, tell me you're back. I see you. Ask me the question, bro. I know everything about everything. Okay. Looks like Peter's having some tech issues. Trevor, Atlanta Braves versus Dodgers. I guess who wins?
Starting point is 00:36:09 I just did. my Bob Costas. It was so beautiful. And now here we are just humping doorknobs again. We are humping doorknobs. I don't know what that means. I think this is
Starting point is 00:36:23 it's going to all be about Walker Bueller. We've seen this postseason, Jakey. Yeah. That's short rest has not been a pitcher's friend whether you're going using your bullpen day out of the pen whether you're just making a start on a couple days a day early rest this one's two days early right this a three day rest start for bueller it just hasn't been kind to guys and whether that's because they're just it's a bigger workload after 2020 everyone has been saying that i never
Starting point is 00:36:54 understood it and maybe this is what they're talking about uh guys just haven't been a sharp going on short rest. So I think it's all up to him. If he struggles early, I think the Braves go out and just take the damn thing. If you can go give him five good endings, keep him in the ball game, then, you know, it's, we'll see, man. But I think everything rests on him. I like that. I mean, yeah, it's going to be a big moment for Walker Bueller because Peter was saying it before and I'm going to call him now because we're just easier than wrestling with tech the rest of the way. Yeah, man, I mean, the story... Oh, my God.
Starting point is 00:37:36 Peter Moylan, I'll tell him to call me. You know, man, I was kind of asking you guys beforehand, like, you know, how much do athletes feel this? And, you know, it's a lot of the press. Oh, that's right. Peter needs to use Internet. But, like, I'm not on the Internet. Oh, God.
Starting point is 00:37:57 What a technology disaster. Don't use my robot picture on Peter. He's using your robot picture. Get over it. FaceTime audio. Peter Moylan. Say that again? There is a lot going on right now.
Starting point is 00:38:15 Here we go. We're back. The people have you. Yeah, man. I felt like I was Bob Costas, teeing you up, like Olympic Games, gold medal. It looked like it. It really looked like it.
Starting point is 00:38:32 I was in the zone, and then someone in the chat said it looks like the inside of Jake's whole apartment is sticky. So we're covering the spectrum still. Peter, I'll let you run. I don't think you're going to be able to hear Trev, and that's, you know, lucky for you. I'm going to keep trying to fight a couple back in. Do you want me to? Because I really want to join this conversation. Go let it rip right now.
Starting point is 00:38:54 I've got you in the microphone. I mean, I was teeing up how it's kind of the talk of Atlanta right now and everything that's going on. Give us everything you got for tonight. Look, the narrative has to be tonight. There's a lot of, there's a lot of people around Atlanta, obviously, with a three-one lead, and then blowing that. But I don't think it was the... It was a sports team they were facing last year.
Starting point is 00:39:24 Still baseball team they're facing each year. I feel they're wounded. I feel like the Braves... Had this lined up, they've had their pitch. pitching lined up, their offense need to, I just think they need to, like they have done all year. It was a floss the other night, but it wasn't like they blew the way. It was just a non-max-free performance to a non-max-free game. And we still have innocent gone tonight with a full redwood bullpen and Charlie Morton as an insurance plan.
Starting point is 00:39:52 So it's not for the bravos. Okay, okay. Trev, thoughts. Love you, Pete. He says he loves you briefly. Yeah, man, what should we expect out of eye on tonight, Peter? Do you think it's going to be, I mean, Shades of Luis Garcia, young pitcher bouncing back, turning it on, a lot of change-ups?
Starting point is 00:40:17 I don't think we'll see the four-mile hour up. I see him throwing around 98, but I think that might be a little bit too much to ask for. I think he'll have a shortage. It pulled the tree pretty quickly on him last time because the stuff wasn't there. I think they'll have the same sort of idea now, but swings and misses. I think they'll ride him as far as they need to, probably get him through five, and then go Winter, Jackson, Matt Six, Smith for the dagger. Ride that pen all the way to the dance, huh?
Starting point is 00:40:48 They're rested. Two days off now. The beauty of losing the squad the other night. So we have multiplied with multiple deaths off that are ready to go, multiple innings tonight if they need to end or go multiple days in a row. Okay. Yeah, I do like that angle. I mean, they have been riding the bullpen.
Starting point is 00:41:09 They've been good, and now they do get the double day off. And I think that also ties into the narrative that we're talking about. And, Peter, you're a brave guy. There's no shame in that. But, man, if this goes seven, like, that's a long 24 hours. Like, that's a long day. That's a lot of nerves. That's you just can't put yourself in that spot and then you can almost put bullpen usage back back on top of that
Starting point is 00:41:36 I agree I agree if we if we lose today that we can get it on tomorrow as I said we have more and more than Z factor that's yeah that's what people keep in and I know he looks he he is getting to a level locked in it's trouble for anyone but they don't have they just don't have arms left I know they've made a price, but I just feel like they're running on fumes, and if it's going to be a year, the Braves can do it, it's this year. I like that. Peter, I'm going to end this. If you want to try to rejoin and wrestle it for a minute, we can try that. I know. Sorry, our technology is kind of sucking butt.
Starting point is 00:42:17 It's probably me. I'll be honest. This is what happens to me. I'm going to work something out real quick. All right. Love you. See you in a minute, hopefully. You will.
Starting point is 00:42:25 Okay, buddy. See you, mate. All right. right trev we got got rid of the riffraff there um jeez peter let's uh let's uh let's call your internet company let's upgrade a little bit needed yeah maybe we'll uh we can reach out to the same because we it was the the company that dug out the moat for john boy also does wifi so maybe we can get peter's moat and wifi game up um trev i think for the braves uh it's it's kind of clear we know the pressure is somewhat on them, but they're back home. That's nice. The rest of Bullpen,
Starting point is 00:43:02 Freeman Albies, we know the gang. The Dodgers, Walker Bueller, short leash. I mean, what is their, what's their game plan? I mean, is it, is it Walker, Graterall, Kenebel, Canable, Trine and Chanson? All their guys. It's all hands on deck. It's elimination game. It is. I mean, they're going to try. they want Walker to give him some length. Yeah. You know, but if he struggles early,
Starting point is 00:43:32 I believe it'll be an absolutely quick hook. It has to be. It's an elimination game. Everyone's ready. I think for both teams, everyone is ready to pitch, no matter who you are. I mean,
Starting point is 00:43:42 I don't understand the Scherzer thing. Like, if he's going to start tomorrow, I'd assume he'd be available for today, like later in the game, but if he was available in the bullpen, why wouldn't he start the game? I don't know what's going on.
Starting point is 00:43:54 I think there's some deception happening. I hope he's okay because obviously we love Max, but all hands on deck. It's going to be, I love elimination games like this because it almost becomes like a different game. Yeah. This isn't like,
Starting point is 00:44:11 this isn't going to be managed like a regular old baseball game. I mean, this is going to be, we might not have any bench players, you know, come the ninth inning. I feel like Dave's going to empty out the bench, take every advantage that he can find,
Starting point is 00:44:24 especially if Walker gets into trouble early, which, man, like, you know I've been a Walker guy. Big games, he steps up, so, like, I have that confidence in him, but what the postseason has shown us with the short rest and guys not being as sharp, I don't know. It scares me a little bit. Yeah, I guess, you know, Walker, he's young, which, you know, you could spend that plus or minus, to be honest.
Starting point is 00:44:52 I do think elimination game can help him Because there's nothing to lose Like if you're Walker Buehler You're not saving yourself for the 95th pitch Like you know you might only get 60 bullets today So you might as well drop it So we'll see I know a couple of Vandyman
Starting point is 00:45:15 So I'm biased there but I could see I'm not going to bet against Walker Bueller in this game I just think let's say it does go playoff baseball and he's not super short because he's on a couple days rest now we're getting away from canable graderall trinen and jansen and you're going to have to get you know playoff elimination innings from vessia bickford brule are we going to see david price are we going to see gonsolin you know a lot of those guys are good ball players but we're you know it's the playoffs and elimination game and all that so um really interested i'd love to see david price
Starting point is 00:45:52 come into this game. I mean, just for a good storyline. I mean, the old man, Peter Moyland's got a smile on his face like his technology might be working. I can hear you. Can you hear me? Yeah. Yes, we got you. Let's go. Welcome back.
Starting point is 00:46:08 And just like that, we're back. If you're the Braves, it's just paramount you just put runners on. I know that sounds stupid. Like, obviously you want to put runners on base, but put runners on, force these relievers to come into. today without a clean inning.
Starting point is 00:46:25 Like make them throw with runners on base. You don't want to see these guys with clean endings. You don't want to see Trinanin and come in with clean endings. You don't want to see Graderol. Graderol, you want to have base runners on against the guy. So like make Dave Roberts bring them in in higher leverage situations, I think is going to be key. And obviously besides getting to Bueller, which if you listen to Coney this morning,
Starting point is 00:46:48 you filled in for me on baseball today, you were talking about that. you know, Jake, you're saying he's only, he doesn't have to go six or seven so he can, he can let the bullets fly early. Connie was saying, like, you just don't have that on short rest. You reach back and you want to throw that, that pitch with conviction and the conviction isn't there. That late life isn't there, you know, your, your, your, your accuracy isn't there. So I'm just so torn, I'm just so torn on the whole Walker thing.
Starting point is 00:47:20 I hope he comes out and shoves it, but I'm a little bit scared that the short rest is going to take his toll on him. Peter, for your Braves. What's going on with the offense? I know Eddie Rosario has been awesome, as good as it gets. Literally, Freddie has found it after his slow start to this series. Do you think it's more important that some of the other guys get it going? Like Dansby, Darno, a young fix kind of having a tough series. had a tough series and that's been a big difference for me especially in that four hole is that
Starting point is 00:47:54 he's been contributing throughout the most most of the year and that's what we've been missing but legitimately that's what we're missing but i think we can cover it because we're so deep um i think i just honestly think freddie freddie has stepped into his element um he's had a couple big moment he had his big moment at ds scuffled obviously like we've never seen and then came back in l i hope he's the freddie that he was in l.a coming back um he needs to needs to have a big moment again. If we're going to do this, we need Freeman to be locked in, because it's not going to be the narrative of, oh, we got through it without Freddie. That's, uh, that's not going to happen for game six and seven. Yeah. Hey, Pete, what are they going to do about
Starting point is 00:48:35 like base stealing? That's, are the brave, are we going to see some pitchouts today? Like, I haven't seen one. So I was just going to talk about the difference between training and and graderol with runner on first base compared to when there's not, especially in the leverage situation where there may be a runner going, right? Their stuff just goes downhill. You can see it. They're trying to be quicker. Training can't be the one seven that he is to the plate normally. He's got to be quicker.
Starting point is 00:48:58 So the stuff suffers, right? We have not done a job at all holding runners. I mean, it's almost like that part of the game has just been forgotten. And we're giving them free bases. And runners in scoring position, a runner on first compared to run on second is night and day. when your mentality, you don't know how hard it is to be happening to look away from your target and then go back to that target and pitch. That's the hardest thing coming back from rehab is that adjustment
Starting point is 00:49:28 from having to throw bullpens looking one way to the first time you have a simulated game and you're having hitters. That adjustment changes everything. And then the intensity's there. And it's just you're one pitch away, one bad pitch and that guy scores. One bad pitch, that guy scores. It's like, yeah, we've got to do a better job. Do you think we're, I mean, like, I'm calling for it.
Starting point is 00:49:51 I'm hoping it happens. Like, we got to give Darno a chance. Like, give him a pitch out. Give him a quick step, like something. Slide step. Give me some, give me, give me a one one of the plate so he can even at least make a good throw and get someone out. But yeah, I've been a little frustrated with that throughout the first five games.
Starting point is 00:50:08 It's just this, they're 11 for 11. 11 for 11. 11, okay. 11 for 11. 11. Yeah. Okay. And what was the total?
Starting point is 00:50:17 Because it's not just us. It feels like there's been one run. Yeah. Yeah. No, I mean, the Braves are... Well, then last night, Maldonado. Oh, God.
Starting point is 00:50:28 We didn't give that enough. We didn't even talk about that. We didn't give that any level, which is... I was out of my chair. I was out of my fucking chair when that happened because that pitch. Like, Graveman comes back from 3-1. And I was thinking along with that about, we're just totally time-hoppy now. That's okay.
Starting point is 00:50:44 There is no time. It's a Metaverse. Someone that's controlling us. Don't worry about it. Graven makes that pitch. I was thinking along with the abet. He went changeup 3-1. I was like, dude,
Starting point is 00:50:55 the guy's going to throw another change-up right here. Gases him up top of the zone. He didn't hold the runner-on-on-around either at all. Purdue got a hell of a jump, but the pitch was up and Maldonato throws the fucking strike, bro. Hot. That's baseball. He hadn't tried to change up.
Starting point is 00:51:10 Hit me with baseball, DBD. You get the baseball there, babes? On it, on it, on it. Baseball. Thank you. Everyone's favorite. Yeah, I'm like personally a little sad that we save the double play for now. But that's how you keep the people going through the show.
Starting point is 00:51:29 Because, I mean, that's as good as baseball gets. A strike him out, throw them out. And yeah, I mean, you know, sometimes fans just want to see that athletes care, which I know sounds really dumb to you guys. But when you see genuine fist pumps like that, Little League fist pumps. You know, when Maldonado was doing his fist pump, he wasn't thinking about his rotator cuff. Like he was, he was thinking about giving the biggest fist pump he could possibly give. That was awesome.
Starting point is 00:51:58 And that's why he's there. He's in the hit. I don't think he's got a hit, right? So, I mean, that's the reason why he's on the team is to make defensive plays, get the pitch of strong strikes, and throw people out. And he's not exactly that. He's earned his spot. He's, yeah, he's going to play in the league forever because he can catch and throw and handle the pitching staff. He'll be like, yeah, forever.
Starting point is 00:52:19 The stolen base thing is so funny. You know, we pretend to hate the nerds, although we love analytics and what they've done for the games, but there's some parts that we'll have to come back. But it's so funny, the chain of events that ends up being so obvious, especially we're seeing it in this series right now. You know, stolen bases get less of a priority, so less players care about it, which makes.
Starting point is 00:52:46 you have catchers that are, you know, that you prioritize hitting over throwing or framing or framing, or framing, whatever it is. Pitchers, they say that stolen bases don't matter, so the pitchers care less. So when you put all of that in the bucket, if you can swipe a bag, it's yours. It's so fucking crazy. Dude, this is what happens. Everyone gets this information. Somebody gets it first.
Starting point is 00:53:12 Okay. They start applying these things. Hey, you know, we don't really care about stolen base. because we're trying to get swings and misses. Before this, it was sinker ball out, dude. Everyone can handle pitches at the bottom of the zone. Let's get swings and misses at the top of the zone. Let's go vertical instead of side to side.
Starting point is 00:53:30 Well, now guess what's back in fashion because everybody's going top to bottom? The sinker's back in fashion now. Stolen bases, we're gone because we want to drive the ball. We don't want to give up outs. You have to steal at a 77% clip for it to be worth it. So no one cares about it. We start doing pitch framing, getting down on one leg.
Starting point is 00:53:48 We don't care about holding runners on. Now the stolen base is back in fashion because the smart teams are exploiting the fact that everyone has gone the complete opposite way. You got to zag when people are zgging. And that's the funniest thing about all this information is it's just going to go cyclical. It's going to go cyclical because it's just going to be the teams out in front. Those are the ones that benefit. The teams that lag behind are going to. It's like crypto, bro.
Starting point is 00:54:13 How about that? Oh, boy. Oh, we go. Yeah. How about that connection right now? God. You got to get there first with the information. Cryptopod.
Starting point is 00:54:26 Um, Teter. Isn't that crazy, though? Stinkers are back in fashion. Tough, tough to follow. Yeah. I, uh, no, and I think, Trev, that was obviously beautiful, especially the crypto ending. But, uh, and, you know, shout out to Jamalama Ding Dong. Baseball has always corrected itself.
Starting point is 00:54:44 and that's exactly what we just talked about. Like that whole pitcher's stolen-based process, like that is baseball correcting itself. And I think when he points to shifts, he says, baseball's already proven it's not going to correct. Like guys, hitters have shown they're not going to correct that one
Starting point is 00:55:01 and that's where we might have to govern shifting a little. There's been a change, I feel like, in the playoffs. Okay. Especially like Trey Turner got a couple of knocks the other day, beating the shift. Yeah. It's been Didn't it Ozzy?
Starting point is 00:55:16 Did Albies? He was just poking. Predid's first two knots were just bang, bang against the ship. So it got him hard. And isn't that fun? Dude, it's, Hey. Hey.
Starting point is 00:55:28 If you've ever played a baseball game. Okay. You've been on defense. Put runners on base and see what the freak happens, dude. It's easy to play defense with nobody on base. You start putting guys on the bags. you have a ton of different responsibilities. Now all of a sudden, maybe your range suffers because of that.
Starting point is 00:55:48 It's just different ball. So, you know, watch next year the good teams. The Astros, the Dodgers, the Rays, they'll probably be bunting against the shift a bunch just because they want to clog the bases. Clogging the bases, mark my words, clogging the bases is going to come back into fashion. I know we still like OBP here,
Starting point is 00:56:07 but I'm talking about beating the shift too close. clog the bases will come back to in fashion next year. I'm calling it. Predicted live today. Anything else on your Braves, Pizza? No. I, I'm, I've said it for a month. This has felt different. And I still stick with that. Until tomorrow, we have to play. Until there has to be another one. Hey, I know it time traveling Metaverse, Trevor's Bitcoin podcast.
Starting point is 00:56:42 What was up with Jordon's triple? Why was Renfro missing? What was that? I think they had them shifted because the way the Astros Park plays is that like left center all the way to like center, right center is big and that it really jets in there in right field. So maybe they're just like saying screw it. If he hits a ball there, it's just a double, but he pulled it down the line. triple. I don't know. Like that was, like that's going to be a bizarre one to look back at in a few
Starting point is 00:57:21 years, I think, that we're like, wait. He also, his spray chart's probably the other way. I mean, I don't know. I think we brought up the spray chart. I think they just took a bet that like if Yordaun Alvarez hits a ball down the line, Hunter Renfro's got a good arm, that we can push him as far as we want and Yordaun won't go for three. And then, by the way, that led to the whole Schwerber play because Yordon's on third. instead of second. So, like, man, baseball, all these little moving parts come to put together. Do I think they're starting to call some of the Cora moves out?
Starting point is 00:57:56 What's that? Some confusion with some of the moves that Cora made? Well, Cora's not a good manager anymore because he lost. Okay, so it's instant. So once you win, you're the best and all the decisions work and it's great, but now he's not because they lost. Fair enough. That's just how the world. That's true.
Starting point is 00:58:12 That's what. us in the media called journalism. We know this. Just cutthroat. Journalism, Bitcoin, and all of it. Boys, I think we got to start wrapping it up. Peter, thank you for hopping in today. King BBD producing his butt off. Go check out Peter Moyland Farm to Fame. Braves post game tonight, Trevor Plouffe and his crypto podcast coming soon. Jake sucks. Got to get myself. Let's just go ShebaCoin. Ian Nestor.
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