Talkin' Baseball (MLB Podcast) - 425 | Qualifying Offers, Gold Glove Awards, and New Managers

Episode Date: November 8, 2021

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Hello and welcome to Talking Baseball. The off season is here, qualifying offers. Gold on that glove, and we're going to circle up on all the managers we missed during the playoffs. Let's go! And welcome to Talking Baseball. Coming live from the Draft King Studio, myself, Jake R. Storyelli, producing his butt off, big baby David Mendelssohn. getting nasty and Calabassey. It's off-season ploof. Big Daddy Trev, how you doing, buddy? Look at

us twinning it up today, huh? You know what? For a while, I was like, I look so much better than Jake and my beautiful red tie-died Johnboy sweatshirt that's available at our merch shop. Go ahead and check that out. But as you started talking and you got into your, you're, you your hosting voice. I don't know, man. Did something to me. Like, you're looking good today. That's it.

But it is. It's off-season, Trev. I'm here. We're lit. Labor Pod is, this is like a baby steps into Labor Pod. Qualifying offers are kind of part of that. Managerial hiring is kind of part of that.

And the Gold Glove thing's going to be fun. You know I love Gold Glove. So we'll talk about all this stuff. And it just feels good to be back. in the booth. The BBD, Jacob, the chat,

we're just missing our guy, James, who I think we should just shout out right now. James, King James, gave him and Katie gave birth

to the heir to the throne. Yeah. John Baby O'Brien. It must have been an accident or a glitch on your phone, but I do think at one point this weekend you texted me

and said that you and baby James Douglas will fire me one day. I look to plant early in that child's head that him and I will form an alliance to eventually one day fire you from this company. So that's the exciting stuff for me. Got back from Norlands, a little three-day festival. That's a, the city lived up to the billing, man. Part of me wishes I went there when I was a little younger. There's definitely a lot of the spots that I looked at and I was like poppy

Poppy can't throw his throw his nose in there anymore but food is off the map the music just the vibes a lot of weird fun nice people which is basically my language so had a good time down there and then by the end of the trip you know started getting the

qualifying offer news coming in and it was like it's like baseball's kind of kind of getting hot in the streets again I got a question for you And then I think you're head of HR anyway So this is Yes

There's just baby fever in the air With John Baby coming You go down, you take a trip Are we going to be expecting a baby Jake in nine months? Just seems like I want to be I'm pretty good at predicting things I don't know if you know that

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It is the perfect gift. You have to go check them out. This is their Black Friday deal. The perfect gift. And Trev, the reason why I segued into that, I wasn't planning on it, But I do have something to show you. We got you a little something.

If you want to talk and say something to the people, maybe your New Orleans experiences in the past or anything, I don't know. I've never been to New Orleans, unfortunately. Although I do, my first fake ID was some metery, Louisiana, which is close to New Orleans. I will say that vacation Jake, like Trip Jake is one of my favorite Jake. I just see you guys listening to strange music and dancing all the night. time and there is something with my name on it.

I'm never shy to get weird. And speaking of, we have commemorated the Trevor Plouffe, the best prediction ever. Let's see, the plaque says, best prediction to ever be predicted, winner, Trevor Plouf, and on the bottom, it has the tweet there. So we're getting a little bit of a reflection here. That's probably the best thing.

at it. So yeah, Treve, we had to commemorate you. So, you know, you just threw out another prediction, which I don't think is accurate. Well, I'll find out. I don't think that one's going to win the next best prediction to ever be predicted award. It honestly would. It honestly would. If it does happen. This one comes true. You thought Braves and six, we went nuts. But, um, Treve, we did have to commemorate you being the best ever. I really appreciate that. The only people I care about giving me a pat on the back are our fans and then the other people at John Boy Media. So happy for you. I mean, are you still feeling, is that wearing off at all?

Kind of the last time we talked to you, you were still king of the world. Yeah, you know, what's funny now is every time I see somebody for the first time, they mention it, man. And like, I didn't bring it up to people. So they're seeing it on their own, which is kind of cool. it's from Sports Center, whether it's, you know, wherever they get their news, I feel like it kind of for that night and maybe the next day was all over the place. So it's, it's cool. A lot of people saw the video of the champagne, which was hilarious by our friend Nameless Jeff and my friend Kyle. So I don't, I'm not king of the world anymore. I had my few days and that

was a lot of fun. But now I'm back to business, man. We are. We are. And you're right. It's a pre-labour pod. I think the most interesting. conversation right now is the qualifying offer stuff. And Trow, I'm sure we probably talked about it last year, but I'd love to get some more of the player mentality on it. I mean, it's such a range of guys this year, and we should lay it out. I know we have a lot of die-hard baseball fans in here,

but I'll lay it out the best I can in Jake words, and then you tighten up the screws, especially from the player's perspective. But qualifying offer, if you have no idea, is originally put in for team. that if you had one of your star players hitting free agency, you weren't going to be able to sign them. You could offer them that qualifying offer,

and then if they got signed by another team, you got a compensatory, compensatory draft pick. I got there. And yeah, it's kind of evolved a little bit. And it's really interesting with how money is valued and years are valued in baseball, that there's definitely a core group of guys that got offered it that are kind of the original qualifying offer intentions. And I like the way BPD phrased it, the original idea behind the

qualifying offer was it to be declined. It's designed to be declined. Because, you know, for a Carlos Correa, Freddie Freeman, Robbie Ray, these guys are hitting free agency and about to get massive paydays. So why would they accept a one-year 18.5.5.5.000. million offer, that 18.4 million comes from the aggregate, the average of the top 125 paid MLB players. But there's kind of the way the qualifying offer has evolved and how we look at it. It's kind of the new front office value prop. You know, you could pay a guy. Teams care about years. So if you overpay a guy, a couple million for one year, a lot of front. offices view that as a win, that this year we actually got the most qualifying offers, and this

was a King BPD note, since 2015-2016. So, coming off last year in which BBD also known, it was the low six qualifying offers. So there were 14 this year, and I don't know, Treve, I guess I teed it up like that. Is there anything else you'd like to add before we kind of get into the guys in some of their situations. No, you crushed it. And I think what's really interesting to see is how teams view it, because they do view it differently, and they approach it for different reasons or different ways for different reasons.

Like, for instance, the Rockies, you know, they have Trevor Story. They could have traded him and got some prospects back. But the prospect packages they were looking at, they said, you know what, I'd rather have a draft pick than the compensation packages. that are being showcased to our organization. So, you know, there's that aspect of it. The player aspect of it is, you know, for a guy like Noah Sindegarde or Justin Verlander, do you take that 18.4 mil, which is a nice chunk of change,

and reestablish some value because both those guys were hurt last year. So there's that aspect of it. And for teams, like you're saying, the one-year deal, I don't think if I'm a team, I'm offering pretty much every single person that's available in the qualifies for a qualifying offer, even the cusp guys, because if they do accept, it's one-year deal. And if you're offering them that and you've placed a value on them as a player, I think that that's not a bad deal for any side. So there's a lot of ways to approach it.

There's some interesting names that got a qualifying offer this year. Riceale-Glasis is probably one you'd circle because he's a reliever. and then also, you know, Clayton Kershaw doesn't receive one. So I think we should probably go over the guys that got into it. But it is, it's interesting. And I'm curious to see where this ends up in the next CBA. Are we going to completely get rid of it? I think that'll be a talking point for us, you know,

towards the middle of this offseason for sure. Yeah, and I'll go through the names. And there are a couple other small details. You can only get offered, the qualifying offer, once because it can kind of restrict your free agency a little bit because teams do value those draft picks. And, you know, if you're traded mid-season, you also can't be offered it. So the Anthony Rizzo's, Javier Baez, Chris Bryant. And yeah, so let's do the list of guys that were offered it and will make some sense of it. And you already mentioned Rysel, see who else

jumps out for you. So guys that received the qualifying offer, Marcus Simeon, Carlos Correa, Freddie Freeman. That's kind of all the same conversation. Those guys are about to get big paydays. Castellanos turned down his option in his own contract and then gets the qualifying offer. Robbie Ray about to get a huge payday. Seeger, Story. And I think maybe the next tier is where things start to get a little interesting.

E. Rod got the qualifying offer. Brandon Belt, Chris Taylor, Reisel Iglesias, Michael Conforto, Noah Cinder, guard and Justin Verlander, which I've, my brain's been spinning all morning, all weekend on that. I don't really know what to think. But Trev, you already mentioned Reisel. That one for me is kind of wild because when you mention the top 125 contracts in baseball, and you get the average of them, I mean, how many of those are relievers? Is there two?

Is there three? So for him, that very much seems like the angels trying to hold on to any pitching they can. and I'm kind of happy for Rysel. It's tough to picture him turning that down. So I guess outside of him, because he's kind of not the sexiest player on the list, sorry, Angels fans. What else jumped out to you initially? Well, I think some of those names you mentioned,

like Verlander and Rysol, I think it's more of a gamble for the team than anything else. Like, they're banking on a guy like Rysel saying, you know, I can take this 18.4. That's what it is this year. It's different every year. I could take this for one year or I can go say, you know, let's capitalize on a really good year and let's go get

more years and more guaranteed money. And the angels are saying if we get this guy back, okay, we can work with that. He's a really good pitcher. But we're banking on him saying, you know, let's go get more guaranteed money, turns it down, then they get a pick. Same thing with Verlander.

Verlander comes back to the Astros. Okay, great, man. Like we can probably, if he's healthy, we can extract $18.4 million worth of value out of this guy, most likely. If he's any bit of what he has been. And if he doesn't take it and go somewhere else because he gets offered a three-year deal, we get a draft pick. So I think a lot of times it is kind of a gamble that way because they do very much

value draft picks and the amounts of control and like the little amounts of money they have to spend on these guys. Yeah, I guess where Verlander's making me spin is he's doing a workout today, so check your Twitter feed for that, and I'm sure we're going to get some numbers, some mile per hours, and that's going to be interesting for his free agency. For him, I think we literally just got. Oh, really? John Meroz. Is it a Burlander you're saying?

Yeah. Reach 95-96 in recent bullpen sessions, and he mentioned that Verlander said in the past, he wants to pitch in age 45. So, I mean, Corey Klobber, who was out for a couple seasons and not exactly the resume of Verlander and still not putting up the numbers on the gun, he got a one for 10, one for 11 last offseason,

something like that. So when you start to put it in the Verlander pod, now he's a couple years older, but he is of that special ilk, the Clemens is, the Nolan Ryan's, like, if Verlander wants to hang out on the mound until he's 44. Teams will let him do it.

So if he's putting that up on the gun, I don't know. I guess I was surprised by it, but I didn't actually think about it. Like, Justin Verlander's probably going to get, what? A two for 40? Two for four? I don't, I have no idea.

I think teams will be willing to take that chance. If he continues to put up bullpen numbers like you just mentioned. I mentioned that to C. Rose earlier today. I'm saying it's different now. You could put a track band on these guys or Rapsodo and really see what you got going on in these bullpen sessions. And then they could extrapolate those numbers and come up with a figure. And the scouting is just different now.

You don't have to see him in games necessarily to think, okay, he's back. So yeah, like, you know, that's kind of what they're definitely thinking with a Verlander as a team is willing to take a two, three-year chance on him. Yeah. No. When you lay it all out there, it makes a lot of sense. or even, you know, if Houston does end up resigning them, although there were some rumors that things got a little weird there.

But, yeah, no, when you put it all on paper, it kind of makes sense. Trev, let's scratch off the guys that are easy to scratch off and get to some of the fun conversation. Simeon Correa Freeman, there's kind of no discussion there, right? Those guys are about to get massive paydays. Robbie Ray just won the Cy Young, kind of hitting Free Agency at the perfect time. Castellanos smashed all year. He's a guy that's a perfect example.

He wants years at this point. He's going to be 30. He opted out of what? He opted out of two for 32, so 16 per, I believe, is the number. You don't opt out of 16 per over two to take one for 18 and a half. Yeah. That's an interesting one for me because you have that guaranteed for Castellanos. I know he's already made good money in his.

career, but with the lingering CBA, it's like, maybe they're talking behind scenes saying, we're going to get this done. I just think for him, you know, this is his chance to get the five year and get it spread out. Like it might not be the 22 mil per year, but could he get, you know, five for 18 or who knows where the numbers landing? I'm just throwing out guesses, but I've also been on a Nick Castellanos kick to the Marlins, because he's actually a Marlins fan.

and with the DH probably coming to the NL, you know, it probably makes more sense to get a long-term deal where he could spread out that money a little longer. Well, he knows if we're playing baseball, he's going to beat two years 32. Easily. Easily. So let's see.

The other name's Corey Seeger. He's going to get a massive contract. Pretty sure story's going to get a big old bag. Oh, yeah, dude. Yeah. I guess where the line starts to get interesting. Chris Taylor, not really a conversation. That guy's going to get multi-year,

probably closer to 20 than people think. This is his chance to spread out a lot to get the most guaranteed money. The only thing, the only thing with Seeger, not with Seeger, excuse me, Taylor, is he has a draft pick, you know, assigned to him now. And, like, we saw with some guys, like, who had that, like a Mike Mastakis, you know, he got hurt.

he turned down $18 million and ended up getting it six. Right. Having to prove himself all over again, are teams willing to leave part with a draft pick and put out the money that he's looking for? I'm curious. That's that one I've kind of marked. I think obviously he deserves a three, four-year deal,

but I'm not, I don't think like the teams do. They really, really love those draft picks. Yeah, I guess I'm not too worried about Taylor. I think he's timing it up pretty right and even what Kiki did this year. I think when push comes to shove for that second or third round pick that a team's going to have to give up, I think that that'll be worthwhile in the front office's opinion. I guess where things start to get interesting, we talked to Riesel. Let's do the Mets guys.

Taylor's 31. He's timing it right, man. He's got a timing it right. He can play center. He can play third base. He can play any out. Like he's... 2.7 war this year.

110 OPS plus can play everywhere. It's interesting. Big postseason. There's a case for him to take that. I think that would be a shocker because then you're taking a chance on hitting it as a 32-year-old. And if he has a down year, then you're doing flyers. I don't know. But this is where the qualifying offer leads to good conversation.

Like, I don't know. That would double his career earnings. he made $18 million up until this point. And if he has a good year, that would be an interesting bet on yourself. So get like a solid contract. I'm sure he wouldn't be able to beat a total contract that he could get this year. But if he gets to a certain number next year, then it was worth it to take 18 this year.

I guess this is what I think for him. I'd be willing to say he's only worried about the total value now. This is his chance. Yeah. This is his chance to go get the deal. So even if he has to take a lower AAV, say he gets a four-year or even a three-year at 15 or a three-year at 12, you're guaranteeing yourself 36 instead of 18.4. So I guess he's going to turn it down as long as teams are willing to go to a three-year 40,

three-year-45 or something like that with him. Yeah, in my head, he's got good juice right now. he's what every team has on their wish list, a versatile, athletic guy. Yeah. Trev, I want to jump to Los Metz. Conforto and Cindergarde, two interesting cases of things and stuff. Michael Conforto, again, go check out his stat page. He's had a couple big old years.

He's a guy that can rack up war. Corner outfield can be tricky, and he had a down year. So he gets offered 18.4. I've seen some rumors if he goes to free agency. The team's offering him over 100 mil. Again, we're in rumor mill season, so it could be true, could not be. And then Cindergard essentially didn't pitch, you know, has kind of that special armed talent that all teams are looking for.

And he could kind of strome in it, come back for one year and really build up his value. What are your early liens on those two? I think Noah might take it and rebuild his value. Now, he's not a Boris guy. He's a CAA guy. When do they have to accept their, this by? Ten days? I think that's what we're told.

Yeah, I think it's November 17th. Yeah. It's so interesting in this year where the CBA is looming. I think he's It's tough. It's tough because he could get a payday. Obviously he could beat a qualifying offer, 18.4 guaranteed. But what he's going to say is

I can take that this year, rebuild my value, and then go with no pick attached to me, go with a new CBA, everyone knows what's going to happen, then I can really go break the bank. Whereas now his values, probably at an all-time low for himself, right? Yeah, kind of, right? So, I mean,

if you, would a team offer him four years 80 or something like that right now? And if you're Syngard, would you be like, screw that, I'm not a four-year 80 guy. I'm a seven-year, you know, 200 guy. And that's the Cindergarde story, is that, like, if he comes back and he's no a Indergard next year.

Looks good. I mean, I'll even put him on his career averages, which I think, you know, he's a career 332 ERA, more than a strikeout per inning. If he has a season, how about this? Even in 2019 when he wasn't kind of being Thor, he had a 428 ERA,

197 innings. Like, if he does that next year, that still gets you, pretty big bag. Now, if he goes out and he does 25 starts to the tune of a 303, which was his 2018, you're starting to talk closer to 200 million than 100 million. So for him, the risk reward comes, I don't know, man. I think he takes it and reestablishes that, which is his value. Because if you're really looking at his numbers, you have to go back to 2018 when he was dominant.

Right. Didn't play it all in 2020, didn't play it all in 2021. Two years removed from really pitching. I know they can scout players by using the stuff I just talked about with Verlander, but I think in his instance, you know, he takes the offer, has a good year and becomes a free agent at 29, at 30, maybe go for a five-year deal, more closer to like that 25 to 30 range. It's interesting. Yeah, and it's just, I think the other part of that bet that we haven't mentioned is, you know, if he does take the three-year 20 million per offer this year, again, not sure what he would get, you don't, you're not in line for another big one.

You know, like then you're going to be 33 and who knows, who knows? Who knows? That's the game. So, yeah, that's an interesting one. And then Conforto, man, I really don't have a read on. it. Just looking at how teams are kind of valuing corner outfielders for him to hit the market kind of at his all-time low just doesn't make a ton of sense for me. I'm not sure how teams would roll out the bag. If he has another big year this year, he'd get a chance at free agency again

before 30, but corner outfielders have been squeezed the last few free agencies. CBA stuff. Might as what. Being locked in isn't a bad thing. I don't know. I think, see, I think he goes out into the market and finds something. Okay. I think for a guy like him, he is going to want to go get the bag now, get the guaranteed money, you know, call that, be secure, just go out and play.

Pitchers, you know, like Thor needs to really showcase his ability again. Comforter had one bad year. Like, teams are still banking on. that track record. I think he'll still be able to demand, you know, good money for him. And, like, the scale of what's good money for him and what he's going to get is closer than the scale of good money for Sindergarde and what he's going to get coming out right now. So I think this is a case, almost like a Taylor where he's saying, like, screw it, like, let's just go get, let me go get my $40 million, $50 million this year and go play.

And he saw it basically an 800 OPS in the second half. He found it again by the end, I think. Big August. I mean, it's just trying to paint the picture of what these guys have to go through and make their decisions on. Because Michael Conforto from 2017 through 2020, 864 OPS guy. You know, solid defense. He's got a back-to-back years, 27, 28, 33 home runs while playing, you know, doing enough in a corner outfield to play out there.

especially compared to some of the guys we've seen thrown out there. So that's an interesting one. I don't know. I don't know. I'm interested to see what comes out of there. And I think the final two guys we haven't really mentioned that stand out at qualifying offer-wise. Brandon Bell and E-Rod, the E-Rod conversation is kind of interesting. He's, you know, he's racked up some more, some of the analytical numbers like him more than what you'll

see pure ERA, FIP, whether it comes to pitching at Fenway and some of the defensive stuff behind him. The luck numbers were against him this year. He's a guy that racks up war when he's on the mound, and he is on the mound a lot as a 29-year-old lefty. You know, I think some people are surprised to see that, but this is a guy that in the open market, teams are going to be fighting for. You're looking at three years, probably 18 plus, or hell maybe four, I don't know. Yeah, this is another instance where I think the qualifying offer is a win-win for the Red Sox. He accepts it, you get him to come pitch for you in 2022, you're happy.

It's fine. Like we're happy to reward a guy who's done so much for our organization. And it's one year. And then if he ends up walking, you get the draft pick. So it's no-brainer for the Red Sox. And I think for E-Rod, again, he's kind of at that point where, he is going to go just get the most guaranteed money. Like I don't think he accepts this.

I think he goes out and gets the most guaranteed money right now. I think so too. And he'll get a three, four-year offer for good money. Yeah, there's no need to go reestablish yourself, do anything like that. Like, go get the bag now, man. Yeah. And then Brandon Belt, this one, I would ask Giants fans,

a classic talking baseball line. You guys know your team better than me. I gave Belt a couple awards this year, because when you stack his numbers up against other first baseman, they play. He's going to be 34 next year. He's already 34. No, Giants missed him in the playoffs. That's one that makes me wonder because he has a chance.

You know, being 34 could be his last opportunity to get a two, three-year offer. Where the Giants, you know, 18.4 million, that does speak to people. And he's always been a giant. So you wonder what those conversations behind the scenes have been like. Like that's one of those ones you could circle and say, you know, they've definitely had a lot of conversations about this. So I had no clue where that ends up. Yeah, this one's interesting.

I always like to look at how much money guys have already made in their careers. That definitely factors into the decision making. Brandon Bell's already made 87 million. So, yeah, you want to obviously make as much money as you can. This is his last chance to grab some cash. But if you're happy in San Francisco and you want to be there again, another 18.4, you know what that gets you to? That nine-figure club.

So I think he's going to weigh his happiness more than other guys would weigh their happiness. Other guys are going for that cash, dude. And Brandon Belt's already got the cash. So this is a little bit more interesting. Like if he's happy in San Fran, Maybe this is another thing that I think I don't know if this is allowed But maybe in this situation there's been some talk like hey I'm gonna I'm going to say no to this qualifying offer but I'd like to be back in San Francisco

No that's you know what I mean a lot of fans like to fantasize those conversations and they don't always happen This is the clear case of like hey you know I'm I'm gonna hit free agency and you know, a couple teams are probably going to offer me two for, I don't know, 38, something like, who knows, three for 40, if you guys match that, my math was just so bad there. I'm sure if he and the Giants can work out giving him maybe more years of security than another team might be willing to,

especially at his position. The DH is big, man. Yeah. I like that too. That's true. That's true. You know, if that can save a guy's legs a little bit. He's still good defensively, but if you're talking about multiple years,

you can get him a day every week. Yeah. And Trev, I mean, speaking of, you know, I also want to talk about there's a couple guys that didn't get the offer that are a big conversation here, and we'll get into gold gloves and the managers. But we're talking about guys making a bet on themselves, and I've been making some bets at the Draft King Sportsbook. Who won a little money in Nola this weekend.

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And that was kind of their whole story. John Gray is one of the rare. pitchers that actually likes being a Colorado Rocky. They didn't trade him at the deadline, and the whole story that came out was, well, you know, John Gray, even if he accepts the one-year 18.4-mill qualifying offer that maybe is a little over his annual, you get to keep a pitcher in Colorado. They don't extend the offer to him, and that leaves him with a group of four pitchers that were kind of the story yesterday.

Carlos Rodan, who had a monster year for the White Sox, has some injury history, et cetera. Our guy Clayton Kershaw, the legend, he doesn't get the one-year 18.4. And again, think about that with all that conversation of years and value and what that means. And the other pitcher, Anthony Discalfane, I think some of that ties into what they did with Gossmann last year, and they extended the qualifying offer. He accepted that. But that didn't happen. So of that kind of group of four, is Gray the story?

Do you think Kershaw is up in the air? Do we think he's so linked to that organization, they'll figure it out? Or what do you see there? I don't want to spend too much on Gray just because it's the Rockies. And clearly, they're just shedding all money. I mean, that's what they want to do. We can talk about how they probably should have traded him. And he's been in trade rumors like three off seasons in a row

and every trade deadline. They never did it and aren't going to get a pick back for him now. They're going to get nothing for him. And, you know, I don't know. We talked about him with story. They decided that the draft pick was more important than prospects. I don't know what the hell they're thinking, Jake. I can't talk about the Rockies right now, man.

Yeah, there's a Hail Mary that they've been talking and they're going to figure it out. But if John Gray hits free agency, he's not going to return to Colorado. Who wants to be loyal to that organization, Jake? Dude, John Gray kind of did. Not even you want to be loyal to that organization. You're gone, you're a snake.

I'm a loyal fucking dog normally. But yeah, the rocks hurt me deep inside. Dude, I don't know. It's really, it's just really disappointing. It's why. There's no rhyme or reason. It's, uh, it sucks for rock. Rockies fans again and just add it to the laundry list of ways they've kind of screwed things up the past couple years.

So, yeah, that's my talking rock segment. Oh, gosh. I'm sorry. This is go funny. I mean, he'll get a little bit of a payday. That's a starting pitcher that throws innings and he's been solid. Good for him. Probably better for him that the qualifying offer wouldn't be attached unless he accepted it, et cetera, et cetera.

Rodan, I think that story somewhat makes sense. It's kind of the same as Descalfani. He was really good this year. Best year of his career wore out a little down the stretch, has some injury stuff in his past. That, yeah, I mean, it's kind of a good for him. He doesn't get the qualifying offer. Like, if there's a bidding war for Carlos Rodon,

I think that bodes well for him, especially after this season. And then Kershaw, yeah. It's just, I don't know. Like, I'm not going to believe Clayton Kershaw's not a Dodger until Clayton Kershaw is not a Dodger. Yeah, there's a lot of interesting stuff going on. Like, people are thinking, and I don't want to put this out there, but it's already been said. They're saying maybe the Dodgers knows something that we don't about his injury. You did get a PRP injection at the end of the year, and maybe they saw some stuff that they just were like,

yeah, we don't know if this is going to work for us. It could be that they know that he wants to. I mean, I don't know, man. This is a weird one for me. Yeah. He have talked to them and said, let's just, we're going to sign back with you, you know, whatever, whatever. And once you decide that, you don't need to offer him the qualifying offer.

Let's just iron something else. I don't know, man. It seems to me like he's got a few years left in them, right? you'd like to think so If he ends up on the Rangers I'm going to be so upset Easy for much You know how I feel about the Rangers

My Rangers are just Yeah I don't know No that would I won't like it I won't like it at all Clayton Clayton is

He's 33 years old He's going to be 34 For next baseball season Which shocks a lot of people Because he's been in the spotlight Since he was 20 Yeah And you wonder what's going on

Injury-wise there I mean, a lot of his stats still check out this year. The ERA was a little high. You wonder where that body's at. I mean, he's got a lot of mileage. Almost 2,500 major league innings. Teams track this, and there are a lot of stats and data that go with if you cross a certain threshold and your stuff starts doing this, that, and the other.

I don't know. Both worlds make a lot of sense to me. If Clayton Kershaw walks away and goes somewhere else to do a little twilight of his career, it doesn't shock me at all. If these two teams come back and there's a two-year with a player option or something like that, I also want to be surprised in any way. I mean, yeah, we talked about it could be, they already have a deal in the work, so they don't need to set a deadline on it.

how the 10 days looming over it. It could have been like a pat on the butt out the door saying, like we won't attach a draft pick to you because you've done so much for our organization, like go get your money, dude. We don't know. We'll see. And before he got like, before injury started becoming a factor into this year, on July 3rd, he had an ERA in the 3-3s and a FIPP and the 2s.

Like he was good this year. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. The injury stuff is really interesting. What does everyone know on that front? But, yeah, and this, again, the percentage of these situations where other stuff besides money matters.

Clay and Kershaw was their first round pick in 2006. The guy's been with that organization for 15 years. Is that how the math works out there? So that's when these situations sometimes get figured out a little easier. And hey, maybe Clayton Kershaw, again, these guys are athletes. Like, we're talking about Verlander and how he's still got some FU and he still wants to rack it up. Like, I bet Clayton Kershaw thinks he can still get a lot of big outs in Major League Baseball. And yeah, just not for Trev's Texas Rangers.

Just think about the amount of times throughout the year. I'm talking about every single person and all the fan bases where you're like, we could use them, start bitching. Yeah. Like every single team says that every year. starting pitchers are always going to be in high demand, especially someone that has a tracker like Clayton. He puts butts in the seats. He can still get you out.

I mean, at a really good rate, maybe not at an elite rate anymore, but at a really good rate, and those guys are always valuable. So Clayton's going to get paid somewhere. Please don't be with the Rangers. I don't want to see another Lanslind, Kyle Gibson, Cole Hamels, who else was there?

I don't want to see that. Jordan Liles with a nice free agent. contract. Oh, man. He's a gibby got out of there. Yeah, I mean, Kershaw, it's so funny, the standard we hold him to. He had 14 starts of six innings plus this year. Six innings.

He's a guy. Think about what we saw. So that's the qualifying offer roundup. It's a real big baseball conversation because you do end up going down these different avenues. 10 days we find out. I'm sure we'll start getting some news on it. interested to see who taps in, taps out a little bit. And then we can really start mapping out the free agency

because that affects the player pool a little bit. I mean, you know, we're talking about if Noah Cindergarde and Justin Verlander accept qualifying offers, that changes the starting pitching free agency pool a lot. Oh, yeah. So we'll see how that sorts out. That was your... What do you got?

The Dodgers, sorry, the Dodgers have to figure out the Bauer situation. Obviously, he's not going to opt out of his deal. He's going to opt into his player option. And then they're going to have to see, are they going to have to pay for someone that's not pitching for them? Right. Right. There's a chance he gets suspended. More than likely, he's going to get suspended for a certain amount of time.

They won't have to pay that salary. But that's without getting too far into it, that's a big thing for the Dodgers and the payroll and what they can go into free agency ready to spend. I mean, Friedman himself said it. Like, we got to see where we're at on that situation before we can fully determine how aggressive we're going to be in the free agent market. Right. That's just another labor pod discussion.

If you're the angels, if Riesel accepts that, does that change their pursuit of Robbie Ray and how many hundreds of millions they give him? Then it becomes Cindergarde. Yeah. Yeah. And then they go after Trevor Story.

So Trevor's story To the end of the $500 million deal Confirmed him in Rendon Who I'd watch Trev let's do the gold glove stuff Kind of quickly Because we talk about it on here It's the award

I don't want to say it's been diluted a little bit But you know some of the factors Between defensive analytics and who's voting You know we don't always Get the best of the best It shouldn't be your all You're all-knowing deciding award. The other side of that that I do think is fine is your gold glove catcher in the National League this year is Jacob Stollings,

34 years old, kind of journeyman a little bit, gets a chance to play with Pittsburgh, and he's going to have a catching gold glove forever, forever, which is really cool. The other big storyline in the National League is the Cardinals walk away with five gold gloves. Is that right? Goldschmidt, Edmund, Aronado, O'Neill and Bader. Yaddy gets squeezed. Yeah, so they're pretty close to six. I don't know, Trev.

When the gold gloves come out, what's your reaction? I think it's cool. I love it for anybody that receives a gold glove, like you said. You get to wear the gold on your wrist for the rest of your career. It's an amazing award, I think. You can debate about the validity of it all you want. Apparently this year, the AL, the fielding Bible awards, which are analytically what people look to for defensive metrics,

they all lined up with the AL picks that Rawlings gave out. So that's interesting. And there was a few discrepancies in the NL, but I think it's cool. I mean, Yuley winning a goal glove, I think it's pretty cool. I read an article about him, and he was a shortstop for the Cuban national team, and there were a few guys that went to those Olympic games.

I think it was like 2004 or something like that, something ridiculous like that. And there was some travel restraints. There's only a few guys there scouting him. But now he's a gold glove first baseman. I think that's pretty cool. Chapman wins another one. I thought Aeronado winning nine already.

Nine straight is crazy. Yeah. Like, that's rarefied air. I think each row won 10 in a row, that's the most to start a career. You're up there with the greats. Like, who has the most gold gloves? Like, Willie Mays or something like that? I think we looked this up the other day.

I'm Googling it. Now I'm blanking on it. Isn't Maddox up there? Maddox has a ton. Oh, yeah, that's true. That doesn't. Yeah. Maddox has 18.

It counts. Maddox has 18. Brooks Robinson's up there all time. Pudge has 13 as a catcher. But, no, I always kind of try to tell people. There's this, so going back to my rocks, finally, there's kind of this rocky stigma. Like, you know, we just don't think guys are as good as they are. And DJ LaMahue kind of bucked that his first two years in New York,

and there's all sorts of analytics and numbers on it now. Nolan Aeronado's all time. Like, if he walked away now, he's still like kind of an all-time third baseman and he's he's still got juice man he's still got a lot of juice so appreciate Nolan Aeronado and yeah I know

think about Aeronado I mean I know we talk about this the high school thing is you know oversaturated between the Harvard Wesley guys and Chapman and Aeronado but just think about having two major league goal glovers at third base on your high school team dude a lot of

A lot of Jake's story, Ellie's having bad days. Got robbed again. This guy, he's pretty good. Oh, yeah, he's a nine-time gold glove winner. And oh, the guy that's playing behind him is probably better than him and we'll surpass it at some point. It was basically by him.

Correa, he gets the AL Gold Glove when you start talking about his bag, man. She's nice to have that. Doesn't hurt. Beats out our guy J.P. Crawford, robbed. Robbed. Yeah, I don't know. And hey, every team defends their guy

to the grave, and that's obvious because you watch them play 160 times a year, and the other person watches their team play 160 times a year. Michael A. Taylor beats out Kierremyre,

so, I mean, like, watch out, like Michael A. Taylor. I like that there, it seems, I know we just talked about no one getting it every single year for the past nine years,

but it seems to me like now it's more open. It's a year by year thing. You go out and have a ball in a year, you could win it, whereas before it almost felt like you had the guys and they would just kind of win, and there was those guys. Right. It felt like there was a long time where you had to like unseat the guy.

Jacob Stallings and Molina. I mean, you know, that's... Exactly. They clearly were measuring other things than their careers there. Sean Murphy gets it in the AL. Our guy, Max Fried. He might start racking him. He might start racking him up.

Watch out for him. Spoiler alert, I talk to old Max. Uh-oh. He wants to come on. Okay. So we're going to have to figure that out. Maybe Wednesday? Pop in for a little bit.

We'll see. He's flying back to L.A. We're going to have a talk. Okay. Harry Bader, Ben Intendi, Tyler O'Neill. The funny one in Yankee land. Joey Gallo gets the right field.

Gold Glove. The Yankee fans will fight to the death about how good Aaron Judge. as a right fielder. Gallo came over and was playing left. So, yeah, again, the system ain't perfect. Joey Gallo is also the Silver Slugger nominee at DH. So baseball's still figuring out the moving parts a little bit.

You've been talking about multiple things can be true. The award's not perfect, but it's still, like, cool for the dudes that win. Yeah. Matt Olson, robbed, always date my daughter. And, hey, how about good for Marcus Simeon? He won the gold glove at second base. He went over to the Blue Jays. Like, took a chance a little bit, and it paid off, like, in a monster way.

You did. That's cool. That is the gold glove stuff. Trev, we're going to finish with your favorite. We're talking about the managers, babe. We mentioned them through the playoffs, some of the moves, and there's still a couple big spots open, I kind of forgot. And these spots are kind of roaming ready to be.

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Are you going to fix your car? That's a great point. That's a great point. Thank you. Trev, speaking of fixing problems, the new managers and coaches, you know, we'll get through this. Let's do the layups. Astros, Dusty Baker, one-year deal, sure.

I saw some people mad about that, like Dusty deserved a longer contract. I'm assuming he's old that he was in on that. Astros fans, you've tuned us out for a little while now, but let us know if that's wrong. If Astros fans are listening, I was reading some articles that were like in the weed stuff that, if they didn't make the World Series, the owners might have been willing to get a young guy in there. That was one article I read. DVD read an article.

I'd be curious if Astros fans that like us and want to have a real conversation. Why don't Astros fans want to listen to us? I don't understand that. I picked their team. We invented a lot about the World Series. The ones that like to think do like us. We talked. We were like the program, the show that said, let's get over it.

These guys are really good baseball players. We've been saying that. We're an Astros pod. Adam Duvall. Got a gold glove, by the way. People were mad. I didn't say that. And rightfully so.

Adam Duval, hot. Old thick. Old thick. Nailed that. Let's see. There's a lot of... Let's do the managers. There's some third base coaches and hitting coaches,

including your guy, Chris Velake, Mortal Kombat Sleepover, Chris Valaca to the Guardians. Tim Hires is a name. Jeff Bannister to my D-backs. Chase Tingler to your twins. But let's see, Boone's back in the Bronx. It's crazy that we kind of haven't talked about that here. Bob Melvin to the Padres.

Oliver Marmol is the Cardinals head coach I don't know Treve like what where does your brain jump like screw all managers or do these feel impactful

I don't know have we talked about Beaumel to the Padres yet I don't know where we've talked not fully we haven't like fully flushed that out because it was playoff so like that took priority I love that's like probably my favorite move

that's been made so far Yeah, Trev. Tell us, you played for Bommel, super well respected in the Bay Area, super well respected in baseball. What is he going to bring to the Padres that we know there was a little bit of dysfunction there? The season fell apart a little bit. So what does he bring? I think exactly what you said. He's so respected. So he goes into that clubhouse to a bunch of sharks, bro. That isn't easy clubhouse to walk into. That's a bunch of rich ballers on that team.

And you got to go manage those guys. You walk in there and yeah, you can earn respect. But not Bob Melvin. He doesn't have to earn respect. He's respected. He walks in there immediately he's respected. And then he'll earn even more respect because he is a good communicator. And that's basically when you have a team full of guys like that, a veteran team.

That's all they ask. Be honest with me. to me. Bomell would tell me, look, man, I want to, I want to hit you here. So he, he can communicate for sure. I think that's exactly what a team of that caliber with players like that, they need that more than anything. And yeah, that's probably my favorite move, but there are a ton, man. We could talk about Mortal Kombat, Chris Flake, a little bit, going to the Guardian. That's cool for him. Booney, tell me how you feel about that. I think that's a good move for them. Boone is not the

problem, guys. It's an organizational thing that you always talk about. Yeah, I mean, I guess the thing that was really interesting at the time was the Yankees had the easy out. Like his contract was up. They could have kind of shook hands, and Boone could have went back in the booth or could have

coached again. You know, he, credit to Boone, like he still very much wants to coach the New York Yankees, which is a damn grind. Like that dude could have a job. ESPN. He did. But he wants to coach the Yankees. They brought him back. And you're right.

There's only been, there was two or three times this year that you could point at Aaron Boone and say, like, why wasn't the infield in? Or why did you go to that reliever? So much of it is mapped out. And we'll see what other changes kind of happen in the Yankees front office. They changed his whole coaching staff around him. So, you know, the guys that are actually in it, the hitting coach. Who else did they get BBD?

Both base coaches. Evans out. App Lake stays. Because the pitching was really good this year. Pitching was really good. So, yeah, I mean, it just seemed like, you know, the Yankees, they just seem a little off, no? Like, the Yankees didn't really scare anyone this year, and this would have been the opportunity to kind of change the figurehead. Which, you're right.

What does that actually change? Yeah, because if Hal and Cashman are still there, right, that's not changing anything. Right. It's just the voice that the players symbolic more than anything else. Obviously, Howl's not going anywhere. Yeah, it's just the voice that the players hear every day, which, you know, I think to a degree has a little bit of an effect,

but the players like Booney. And when they got rid of Gerardy, they said, just like, hey, sometimes it's just like time, voices around sailing. I mean, boom, hasn't been there as long as Gerardy was, and every indication is they like him. So it's not an exact thing. So I talked to Dozier about this. And you know, Dozier's got his name out there for some jobs.

Rumor mail. We were talking about it. And I was like, you know, Yanks, a lot of people in New York want Booney out of there. And he goes, who? And I started to think, who does want him out of there? I'm like, oh, like, the fans and people. And then I'm like, then I sort of think, you know, you're right. Like, players like Booney a lot.

Like, and that's kind of like a big deal. It's not like I get like the fans, they have a voice and they can voice their frustration, but like we're not. And I'm counting myself as a fan now. We're not in the clubhouse. Like we don't know the dynamic all the time. We see things from a different perspective, maybe a further perspective. So when he said that, he's like, yeah, everyone loves him in New York. I was like, you know, you're right.

Like I get fans are frustrated. And sometimes that voice gets really loud, especially in New York. That voice can be very loud. And sometimes it does cause. teams to make decisions. But I think they're fine with with Boone and what he does. They are going to have to adjust some things

organizationally. And I think you put out a tweet about a team with a lot of guys that played a lot of games, right? Didn't you put that out there? Oh, I was talking about the Braves. Yeah, the Braves infield this year. They played like almost every game, 155

and up. Spring training through the playoffs, which again, you have to be healthy, but they rolled them out there every day, which kind of every baseball team throughout time, I was going through the history of, you know, guys playing pretty much every day. And yeah, you kind of need that core that is out there. You know, what the Braves whole infield did this year was very special, kind of like an all-time infield, so you can't compare it to that.

But you've said it. You know, Jimmy and I leaned on you. The Yankees don't believe in consistency, which I think baseball is showing like you should. I know as a player you want to be out there every day, especially, you know, there are times, and this is something that they probably should talk about, is they need to have those guys who they are deeming old enough to get days off to keep their bodies fresh. They need to rely on those guys to communicate and say, I need to. a day. And if they're and if you go to them and say, hey, judgey, I'm thinking about giving you a day on Friday. And judge is like, fuck no, don't give them a day on Friday. Right. Like judge should come to

you and say, hey man, feeling a little, feeling a little bit down, you know, feeling a little bit sluggish. Like, give me a day. Like, there needs to be that form of communication because I mean, you can't have set off days because that might not coincide of when when you need an off date. And I, And I really don't like the off day headed into an off day two off day thing. I don't like that. Yeah, they... That's something that they seem to really like to do. They have rest philosophies that aren't necessarily proven.

And I know there's a lot of ways to measure stuff. But, you know, Trev, you mentioned that conversation that needs to happen. Like, you know, we've got some Yankees connection. It seems like that the communication in the organization isn't... I'll say it's not elite. if you measured organization over organization, I don't think the Yankees would land at a high level. And it's probably kind of like you said with Bowell walking into San Diego,

like a lot of these guys are who they are. You know, a lot of established dudes that almost they don't have to take orders, but they're their own man, which, again, I'd say the example, if you're outside of Yankees world, Giancarlo Stanton, he didn't play left field or the outfield this year until, When, BPD, August? I think July 30th was his first game in the outfield in two and a half years. And so what were those conversations?

Because my best guess, Ginkarro stands, a world-class athlete, my guess is he was willing to play the outfield, and the Yankees were so scared of him getting hurt that they didn't want to do that for two-thirds of the season. So I don't know. I don't know. It's going to be interesting to track, next season to see if they change some of those philosophies.

But either way, those philosophies don't come from Aaron Boone. Because you're right, Trev. There's two groups you should care about if you're the manager. It's the front office and ownership who really like Aaron Boone. And it's the players who really like Aaron Boone. And the players probably brings it back to St. Louis where, you know, the bench coach, Ali Marmal, gets promoted to manager, that it seems like the players wanted,

him and not Schilt and that's what they got. Yeah, I mean, I don't really have too much inside info there. I texted Flaherty about Marmal and he said, love him. So obviously that side of there is true. You know, I don't have anybody telling me that Shilt wasn't wanted there. I think that was maybe more of a front office TIF between those two people, Schilt and the front office. Going back to like the players and like the leadership thing,

I just want to make one more point. Molider, when he came over and was our coach with the twins, he had like a leadership council, if you will, like six or seven guys, five or six guys, I forget what it was. Veteran dudes who he trusted to, you know, to make good decisions, he'd bring us in and talk to us about all sorts of things, whether it be the family trip, whether it be rest days, whether it be, you know, what game of the doubleheader, what we should do in that regard. Like he he ran a lot of decisions by us. And I think that was really cool. That's what you want as a player. Like, let me feel like I'm a part of this. Like, I paid my dues.

I'm a, you're a professional, especially when you're a big leaguer for some time. Like, you understand your body better than anybody. You understand the grind better than anybody. Like, you can't just go analytical. Like, you got to run it by the players. Like in any other industry, like think about that. Like you're going over the people actually doing the thing and making decisions for them.

Like you probably should have someone in a contact, a communication line with the people that are doing it, right? Yeah. You think that makes sense. It doesn't happen all the time. Yeah, it's just really funny. I think I had some good conversations with Peter Moylan about it that, you know, there's organizations,

Like there's proven things that kind of work. Like you, the front office and the manager should work hand in hand. But the manager has to be allowed to manage, whether it's dealing with guys with injury or something on their mind or, you know, moving them up and down the lineup to try to spark them. And, you know, the front office has really taken over that. That I think we're going to see that kind of balance back. Just a little bit because it's not reinventing anything.

It's just feeling those real things out. The stories we don't know that happen every day in the locker room. Yeah, if, put it this way, if you're a Bregman, okay, and you're hitting in a three-hole, and you know you're struggling, and then one day you just show up and you're hitting in the seventh hole, that's not a good feeling. Now, same scenario, you're hitting in the three-hole, Dusty walks up to you after the game and says, hey man this is what we're thinking tell me what you think about it take some pressure off you we're going to put you down the seven hole we're going to get some guys in in that three hole that are

feeling really good and we're going to get you going we'll put you back in there you get going we'll put you back in there like if you have that conversation that's a completely different thing than just showing up and seeing you're in the seventh hole and then and then going and having a conversation like there needs to be it's i mean it sounds so simple and you're like duh like obviously obviously that's the case, it just doesn't happen all the time. Only the good managers do that. Because they kind of have the power to. There's a lot of other smaller moves.

Skip Schumacher returns to the Cardinals to be the bench coach for Ali Marmull. And a lot of your coaches have a lot of moves. I mean, I'm seeing the twins. David Popkins, Dodgers minor league hitting coach. Philly's Farm Director. I mean, there's a lot moving here, guys, that I guess tell us what you think is truly impactful because a lot of coaches moving around. Can't possibly say everything.

And the two positions open, Trev, the Oakland A's and the New York Mets. A, Luis Rojas, former Mets manager, interviewed for Yankees bench coach. So that would be fun. And our Erica that helps us out says that would be uniting two of the great baseball families because Luis Rojas is related to the Alu's, so the Alu's and the Boons and Yankees, that would be fun. I don't know. I mean, Mets A's, do you have any liens?

Do you care? Should we be hyping Daddy Dozier? The Mets is fascinating to me. It seems like they haven't been able to get a lot of traction on their GM search. From all I'm reading, there's a lot of guys getting either denied permission to go speak to them by their team, or just saying now we're drawing our name from that. So that's an interesting one to me because that's a,

how do you put it? I don't want to like be too mean to them. That's a, it's a circus a little bit over there right now. Which is very Mets. Which, wow, how do the Mets find themselves in that position so often? I don't understand. Some say it's as Metsy as a Getsy.

Yeah, that one's funny. That'll be interesting to see who gets that job because it's, to me, have no lean there whatsoever. The A's job, on the other hand, I don't know, man. I feel like if they make a play to go get Ron Washington, they can get Ron Washington. It's had a lot of success, you know, being there, helping guys out. He's got the respect of a lot of people in baseball. He's done it before. He's led teams to the World Series before. It seems like a pretty good fit. For me, it's just tough to picture. And, you know, I see Oswald and the Chad A's are going to choose between Ryan Christensen or Mark Cotsay without a doubt.

We'll see. Could be a doubt. If I'm Ron Washington... I love Mark Cotsay. Mark Cotsay. He's been there for a long time, so it makes a lot of sense. And that's the thing. Like, they're going into rebuild mode. Like, I don't think Ron Washington wants to take four years to get back.

Like, he's been good enough that he deserves the right opportunity. So I'm really interested to see with that. Yeah, I mean, we got... Cotsay's great, by the way. If they give Cotsay the job, which obviously he wants it because he's been, you know, bench coach and a third base coach or whatever for them for a while, he'd be really, really good. Okay. I like that.

People really, really like him in Oakland. The, well, I've got two things for you now. A, we also miss this, Buster Posey, retired. We haven't talked about that? No, man. I guess you're right, yeah. It's been playoff mode. So, yeah, big catch-up episode.

Buster Posey announces he's retiring. By the way, Chris Rose's rotation today, Gabe Kapler, always all-time. We love Gabe. Buster steps away. I guess people inside the organization knew there was a chance for this from the outside world. It was kind of shocking because he was so good this year. How's your 889 OPS from the catcher spot? MVP in the bag, three-time World Series, seven-time All-Star, four-time Silver.

slugger. So yeah, Trim, I don't know if you want to do an ode to Buster or were you in shock or I don't know. I'm kind of in shock, so I wasn't privy to the information that he was thinking about this for a while. But, you know, Hall of Fame career. What else is there to be said? The guys accomplished everything you can accomplish in the game, literally everything.

So you turned down $22 million. that means you're pretty much set. Mentally, it seems like he was mentally and physically. I think he was kind of just done. And I talked about this a little bit with C. Rose this morning. You know, you talk to these guys. I mean, in my experience, it was Tomei, it was Mower, it was Willingham, Tori Hunter.

I saw these guys at the end of their careers. It's all said the exact same thing to me. It's just too much to get ready to play. They love playing. but like having to you know work on your body for two hours to just go practice it's daunting over a 162 and it's over eight months of the year and like it's every single day you have to put that in it's for a lot of these guys it just becomes not worth it I could be I have to show up to the field even earlier you know I have to stay at the field later because I'm fixing my body after the game they're missing a lot of their kids lives at this point when you get to that 35 year old 33, 37, whatever, your old age, like your kids are doing stuff if you have kids, most likely. So, like, you're starting to weigh, like, is it, what's more important to me? The guy's made a zillion dollars in his career.

He's accomplished everything. I think now seems to me, like, listening to him talk, like, he was just not willing to trade being home with the family for being at the field rehabbing every single day for two hours. And man, I mean, just part of the Giants organization. Again, Gabe Kapler talked about it with Rosie, and it's obviously very close to the situation. I'll tell you what, I don't think Posey is this type of guy, but man, if the Giants were in it next year

and they needed a little help behind the dish midway, like sign me up for a little Roger Clemens' Buster Posey action, that would be cool. I think it would be fun. That being said, they do have Joey Bart in the wings, which he's supposed to be kind of a dude. I assume he's supposed to be the guy starting next year, right? Yeah, so we'll see if they've passed the torch fully.

And yeah, good for Buster Posey, man. You're right, turning down that kind of kish. Man, that means you don't want to play. It also means you've made a lot already in your career. Yeah, that's true. If you're turning down 22 mil, I mean, what's,

let's guess, let's not even look. Oh, okay. I don't even know, I don't even know, I don't even know the contracts he signed. I don't,

in my head, I have no clue, but I'm just going on, like, the kind of player he is. Like a buck 60? I'll tell you, he got,

he got at least one big deal. I think he's over 200. He could be. I want to say he's like, I want to say he's like, I want to say he's like $220 or something. I get nervous with the catcher. I don't know.

I'm going to 20. I think with walking away from 22, it looks like buck 50. Oh, wait. Oh, not even close, huh? It feels wrong from the other contract. It's a weird website. Let me look.

The full contract that a big contract he got was an 8 for 159, so he's walking away from the last year of it. I guess it does add up then. 168? 168 is what he made. Or is that what he walked away? Yeah.

I mean. Not what he would have made if he stayed or, I don't know, same neighborhood. Hey man, any athlete that can kind of walk away on top, I give them a ton of credit. He balled out this year and, yeah, like, what catchers goes through. He says it was a team option? Or is it a mutual? Because it says on baseball reference a team option, but I've been hearing that he'd turn it down. So maybe the team told him they'd pick it up.

Maybe he was just retiring. and that's him turning it down, I don't know. It looks like it was a club option. Pretty not bad. Congrats to Buster Tosing. 170 mil. We'll see if we end up talking about him. Is he a booth guy?

Do you really know him at all? Or what's he about? C. Rose said that he never even came on intentional talk. Just not like that kind of guys. This is what I envisioned for, yeah, this is why I envisioned for all Buster. Okay. He'll be a special assistant to the GM. He'll have this statue.

He'll get inducted into the Giants Hall of Fame. He'll get his freaking yellow jacket going to Cooperstown. And then, you know, he'll just get to do whatever he wants, man. Guys like that with the pedigree like that that have stayed with an organization that long could just be an ambassador. Right. So. And if he ends up moving back to, I think he's from Georgia. Georgia. Maybe he signs on with the Braves.

Oh. Becomes an ambassador for their team. You've seen guys do that. Giants fans were just happy. We talked about Buster. Yeah, and the other thing that does tie into this, Buster Posey was involved in body armor, so he might have got a couple extra doll hairs through that. Yeah. That just sold for $400 million or something. 5.6 bill.

Billion, I mean. Yeah. So yeah. Oh my God. Yeah. That's a... He already didn't need money. You know, when your body armor money might outweigh your baseball money.

That's awesome, bro. Hell yeah. I need some of that. Let's go. Well, we are crypto. John Boy Media. Trev, tremendous stuff. I guess, well, A, we'll be back Wednesday.

Talking baseball Wednesdays. We'll see what other news we have. have by then. Maybe we'll drum up something silly for the people. You know, remember our old midweek episodes coming up with a topic. People got to do awards at some point, but we need Johnboy for that. So we'll figure it all out for you guys, Monday, Wednesdays, around nooner, 1230 maybe. Eastern. Treve, I guess the only thing going through my head right now, and this is kind of like a rude, it shouldn't be a rude question?

Like, why does Dozier want to manage? Just general, like just baseball guy needs to be in it again every day, or what? I think so. He'll tell you that he's always wanted to, and he's known he's always wanted to. Yeah, I mean, I think he just wants to be around the game. Okay. It's a fair answer. It's interesting because I don't...

I guess I haven't talked to him about it. I mean, I did. I don't know how much he wants me to share, but... You're good. I don't know, like, if the minor league life, like, two or three years coaching A-ball is, like, going to do it for him. I think he's going to have to, you know, be more of, like, a straight-to-a-bench coach, then go and put his name in the ring. I don't know.

Love to do you. He's very smart, learned from a lot of good people, so... Yeah, and we, you know, a couple things we kind of left out. I guess we can roll them into Wednesday at the Tucker. Barnhart, our guy was traded, Wade Miley was traded. So baseball finds a way to stay hot in the streets. 10 days until they have to make decisions on qualifying offers. I think after this I'm going to map out what some of the upcoming episodes should look like.

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