Talkin' Baseball (MLB Podcast) - 43 | The Yankees Live to See Another Game

Episode Date: October 19, 2019

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It's October 19th. The Astros could not eliminate the Yankees. There will be a game six, and we will be discussing five and six. Let's do it. All right, what's up, everybody? Thank you for joining us and listening to the episode today. My name's John Boy, I'm coming to you from New Jersey, and I got my best friend and co-host, Jake, and he's not coming to you from Denver, and he's not coming to you from New York City, and he's not coming to you from Montana,

and he's not coming to you from Sydney, Australia, and he's not coming to you from Japan, and he's not coming to you from Maine, and he's not coming to you from Texas. He's coming to you from Nashville. How you doing, Jake? Music City. Music City, thanks for that intro.

I'm good, man, I'm good. We've got a... We're right and hot. I think we need to be honest about that from the start, especially compared to where we were 24 hours ago. And we've got a special thing going on for the people. It's like that first time you combine two groups of friends. And you're like, oh, boy.

You're like, these are my high school friends. And I'm introduced them to my college friends. I hope they don't get along. I think Tom and Eddie might fight. It seems like they're going to hate each other. But like, come on, let's just, let's be cool. Yeah, everyone just, you know, be cordial. Like, yeah, there's some people that like us that we like the Yankees.

There's some people that don't even know we like the Yankees still. Yeah. And if you dig you don't know. Rome in a room. everyone grab a drink and be friendly. Yeah, and if you don't know what Jake's talking about, we are doubling up. We're doing one episode for Yankees and one episode for talking baseball.

We did it yesterday, but what we did is we gave the talking baseball people the most, like, biased, emotionally driven talking Yanks episode probably recorded since they got eliminated last season. This will be a little more level-headed talking baseball episode that everyone can enjoy, I hope. Honestly, though, Jake, yesterday, I'm so embarrassed looking back at it. You know what I mean?

Like employee bill was hanging out. And he was like, you guys are pretty sad. And I'm like, man, I mean, that's like kind of, I think why people enjoy listening to us is because I didn't want to record last night because I was fucking. No. I was as low as I'll get. But we commit to put in the microphone in front of us and trying to rip our heart. out and put them into actual words. And people can commisement at that.

And like, it's embarrassing now. But I think I said, I have no hope. I have hope now. So it's just kind of how it goes. But yeah, yesterday's episode is pretty sad, Jake. Yeah, and that's why we made a mutual decision to, A, not wake up early to record the same shit again when we were just going to be really sad about it. And B, we thought it'd be funny to put it on talking baseball

because it was honest Yankee sadness, which if, you know, that still, people can enjoy that. A lot of people enjoy the Yankee tears a little bit. But yeah, man, and it's funny with sports, and it's why sports are awesome. I mean, we try to script it, whether it's, you know, any game you see played, you can bring up a regular season pitching matchup, and you and I can say like, oh, you know, it could be any team and you're like oh well this pitcher should be good he's been hot lately

uh that lineup's been struggling you know what i think you're going to see some good baseball today and then if they get into the bullpen they should do great it's just not how sports works it's just not and uh the yankees come and they they beat verlander at home the the crowd does their job the yankees recover from uh i mean another laughable start don't give it away and uh yeah it's it's It just, it feels good, man, and I know you and I are running hot. And what's going to be the trickiest for Yankees fans is tomorrow, when we talk about tomorrow's game in the later part of this episode, you know, it's almost like we're,

I feel like Yankee fans are going to start assuming tomorrow and be like, oh, well, yeah, you know, Cole's going to be ready in game seven. It's like, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. No. Yeah. Go to Houston. you have to execute everything perfectly to hopefully get a shot at that. And let's go.

You want to burn this game and then we'll get into it. And then I think there's some at-whole stuff we need to discuss in the series now that we're five games deep, three wins to two wins. Like there's a lot. This is the point that when you get to a game six and a seven-game set is when you're like, wow, we've really played the same team. an unusual amount of times. That's what I was thinking today.

Yeah. Like seeing Verlander twice in the same week and them seeing Paxton twice and like, you know, Alvarez is doing nothing and Gary Sanchez is doing like, you know, like we're like so ingrained and we're so deep that you're like, all right, let's see who everyone's doing. So I think we can kind of pull the picture back a little bit more. But, uh, yeah, I mean, uh, I am, uh, just more on my mind. mindset, I had conceded Jake. And I'm not ashamed to admit it.

I'm embarrassed for myself, but I'm not really ashamed because, you know, I told Katie, like, hey, if the Yankees lose tonight, Saturday is completely an off day for me. Like, I'm not going to do anything. And we can have like a full on date day, go to the movies, go get massages, do all this. My cousin is hosting a pumpkin carving contest. And I got myself kind of up for that. And I was like, that'd be nice. I can attend all that stuff, you know, and not tied to my computer watching baseball.

Okay, I guess the season's over. And then Hicks hits that home run. And I'm like, fuck all that. That's more baseball. So, but I was, I was, I was pretty bad. I was in bad shape. Yeah. Yeah, enjoy your pumpkin carving.

I, uh, I got work to do. I do like the pumpkin carving competition. Yeah, and it's, you know, it's, I don't know, some different things about our personalities where you and I are so similar on a lot of things. But like, if there's a 2% window, I love, I love leaving that window cracked just because I'm kind of a horse's ass that has some bad gambling habits. But yeah, you know, I thought, I thought I'd wake up today with hope. Last night it was really tough to find it. And then I found enough of it. And here we are.

And let's more baseball, baby. Let's burn it right after a word from this sponsor. You've been listening, Jake? We get like this cheese and wine sponsor. And a Casper sponsor. I'm like, yo, give me some feds. I need some feds. All right.

You ready to burn? You got to do vocal stuff because your video is just frozen. Uh-oh. Yeah, you were coming in clear, and now you're very choppy. Okay, we just had like a lake you follow delay there, so I hope we don't run into that. Scary. Oh, no, we got a delay. Okay.

On your mark. Get set. Burn! Game 5 ALDS, Yankees are in passionate kiss mode as their backs are against the wall. James Paxton versus Justin Timberlake Verlander as the Yanks try to bring their sexy back for game six. Houston. Top one, the Yankees House of Horrors continues. Tapper under Pax's glove, past balls. Yanks are lucky to get out of the first, only giving up one. The Astros would not be so lucky. DJ 26 with another one. Lead off Homer to spark the yanks and the crowd.

Speaking of Spark the crowd, they're calling Aaron Hicks ACON because I see him winding and grinding. pull three run yak her off the right field pull yanks have an intentional walk inning as they throw up a four spot then guess what like me playing pickup versus lebron it's scoreless the rest of the way who knew maple leafs had nuts in it ballsy performance by the big maple caneley britain and chapman hold it yanks win for one bring the series back to houston very nice jake very nice jake very nice very nice i i liked the uh winded and grinding up on the pole i liked bring the maple had nuts in it and it looks like if i'm judging your reactions on your face we got rid of the like you follow delay yeah i i don't know i nope you were you were clear as day the whole way i i don't know what

happened there um but yeah you're a low-key huge acon fan oh yeah yeah yeah yeah i mean i just felt bad for him You know, like, how is he supposed to know that she was underage when it's an 18 and older club, they say? You know, that's not his fault. Right. Sorry for the times I let you down. Yeah, and all that shit. So, you know, Mr. Lonely, I'm all about it. Yo, Mr. Lonely is one of the more hilarious songs of all time.

Mr. Lonely, I'm so long. I have nobody. Come on. Put it on a record now. Yeah, they sound like they're in a better mood tonight. All right. Open up the game and the Yankees shit the bed right away. I mean, a little tipper, taper up the middle,

goes under Paxton's glove and then Glaber tries to bear hand it and he can't do anything with it. And it's like, okay, we're going to unravel from the jump. This was the one thing we couldn't do. and we've done it. Then we double up. Gary has a pass ball. Or wild pitch.

I don't know which one. I don't know what the scoring was. Goes to second. And then we double up again. Paxton loses the zone and walks a guy. And then we quadruple up. And he scores. Springer scores on a wild pitch pass ball.

And I mean, as a Yankee fan, like you're like, this is hell. We just came off the worst game we've ever played in game. game five or game four and this is how we open up this one paxton who can crumble he can unravel and by god dj opening up with that home run right away is i know like the hicks home run is really what solidified it but that dj opening up right away just before they even get an out before there's a hit before there's a base runner it's tied back to zero zero zero and it's huge yeah i mean we we laughed i right after we recorded the pregame show i i was telling you i was going to tweet out this list of things that can't happen item one was no errors which is

hilarious and after the massacre yesterday they come out and they have two errors in the first inning um ball goes right under paxton's glove and all you could do is laugh like i don't know tell me if i'm wrong but like i wasn't sitting there angry i was just like oh that was already dead it You can't kill the dead or whatever. Yeah, that'll, they, our best-selling shirt, you can't kill the dead. And we, I don't know, you just had to laugh and then, okay, you get out of the inning again. And you, I think the thing that was different mood-wise is that we've seen James Paxson's first inning struggles all season, literally the worst first-inning pitcher in baseball.

So I think there was a little solace in that that would not have normally been there if this was. Severino, Tanaka, or other. And then, yeah, the LaMayhew thing is huge, because it's the punch right back. It's over. First batter of the game, and it's Verlander, and we're on it. You know, not only his, I mean, his home run to tie the game

so you could make Paxton's first inning a wash is huge, but also just LeMayhew comes up and he hits that. Judge ropes a ball, Glaber ropes a ball, and it's like, okay. Like, we, those were like the, three, I'd have to double check stack cast, but those felt like the three hardest hit Yankees balls we've seen basically all series. Yeah, I don't know.

I'd have to check stack cast as well. Judge is pretty hard. I was, I will say this, though, like the Yankees have had a lot of guys, a lot of pitchers on the ropes, and they can't score in the first. And Paxton got out of it because the Astros couldn't score in the first either. And whoever scored more runs in the first inning was going to be. be it. And that's kind of been the model for Paxton and Verlander where you know Verlander is going to deal. Like he's going to find himself. And if you want, we've been saying this on

talking baseball for a while. If you, if you want to get to him, you have to get to him in the first. Otherwise, he's going to fuck you up. And, um, I mean, Hicks hitting the foul pole. It's a, I mean, it's a, it's a series saver at the moment. Because the offense didn't do anything the rest of the way. The Astros 1, 2, 3, Verlander 1, 2, 3, and Peacock 1, 2, 3, 6 times out of 8. Yagies got up 8 times, Jake, and 6 times they went down 1, 2, 3. Like, besides the first inning, they were utterly dominated. And the foul pole, this is going to sound corny, but I think it's also why people enjoy us

because the romantic side to baseball. Like, the foul pole just feels like the gods are on your side. Oh, yeah. So much shit can go wrong in this game. When you see that ball hit the pole and when they showed the zoomed out reaction of the whole stadium, because the whole stadium can see that. It's just kind of a special thing. And you, as a Yankee fan, you hope you look back and be like, yeah, that damn

pole turned around our whole series. But like, dude, think about, and maybe this is dumb, but Yankees lose this game if that ball goes a foot to the right. like if that ball goes to the foot a foot to the right of the pole and Hicks pimped it. Yankee fans and the Yankees team are just looking around each other like, it's just not our fucking week, huh? But instead it hits the pole. And you and I have been harping so much on the first inning of these games that we've sounded kind of lame.

Like I've been coming off of it just because it's felt like we've been saying the same thing every time. All the runs in the first inning. That was it. Yeah. No, I mean, yeah. I mean, but like that's the, we got a lot of pitchers here that once they settle in, I mean, even Granky, once they settle in and they find their rhythm, good luck. You're not going to touch them.

You wait to the bullpen. And it's, and I mean, obviously most of those pitchers are, are Astros pitchers. Paxton and the three Astros pitchers, because even Tanaka's not like that. But. Yeah, I mean, all of these pitchers are, I think what you're saying, all these pitchers are at the quality level that if they get on a roll, they're going to start rolling. Like you're, you are,

your hitting is now the problem. Like you have to find a way to break them. Yeah. What, I mean, Paxton was good in this game. Did you like my theory that he was only allowing a base runner every inning

just to keep the crowd into it? Yeah. Because when, when you strand a runner, the third out means more. The crowd gets more hype going into the next inning. It's a good strategy. And I,

think maybe that's why Astros weren't able to put any across because they were just one, two, three in the Yankees. Verlander needed to let some Yankees reach base to give them more momentum when he got the third out. It's a new, it's a new strategy I'm developing called, Don't do this. Don't ever do this again. Yeah, no, it's a theory. Thanks for bringing it to all of us. I do, I do have something that's a faux theory, P-H-O theory, that I want to bring to you. F-A-U-X theory, yeah, we got it. That's abbreviation for phony. I mentioned this during the pregame show, and now I'm glad I did.

But the game I wanted to play with you was I thought James Paxson could decide a lot of how he's viewed by Yankee fans by this performance tonight. Because if he threw up a dud, you know, Yankee fans were going to point to two bad starts against Houston, they were going to point to the middle part of the season where he was bad. Or if James Paxson had a great performance tonight, you know, you could point to him ending the season on like a 10-game winning streak, and he can kind of be this endearing figure to him. It also ties into his personality a little bit. And I think, and this is the corny part of it, but I do think there's a part of that that ties in that like, I don't know, if James Paxon

had his A plus plus stuff tonight, and he was pegging 98, 99 casually here and there and just dominating the stroes. Like, yes, that would have been awesome, and we would have been like, yo, Paxton shoved. But he didn't have his A plus plus stuff tonight. He had to fight. And he, like, he worked and he earned this game. And I think he, I don't know if he earns bonus points for that, but he gets a little credit in a different area.

Paxton? Yeah. he gets credit for being gutty dude it's like something we haven't seen in a while and and uh right and that leads into something i just got dm about that's funny the when boon went to ask him if you're okay and and he and you said i'm good let's go let's fucking go so i just got a dm from our good friend lindsay adler who writes for the athletic and uh they asked him so was it i'm good let's go let's fucking go and Paxton's response was yep did John boy see that that's pretty cool nice he said all his friends were texting about it that's funny I mean it was pretty clear that that's what he said

and it's cool I mean you want those moments yeah that uh that home run might almost ruined it you know what I was going to do Jake I had it set up to like have the gift of him lips like reading his lips let's go let's fucking go and then I was going to play like the out right afterwards like if it was a strikeout, you know, because that would be even more badass. But then it was like a deep fly scary ass fucking rope. And I was like, you know, I'll just do, I'll just do that. That was cool. Never a doubt.

Yeah. I mean, if you're the Astros, you came in to Yankee Stadium and you won two games. And now you have two games at home and Cole is saved. So like, do you think there's any Astros fans shaking right now? Because, I mean, taking off my Yankee cap, as much as I possibly can to the talking baseball listeners, if you're a Yankees, if you're an Astros fan, if I was an Astros fan, I'd be sitting pretty cocky still. You got to come to our place, beat us twice, and beat Cole once. I'd be sitting there pretty cocky. Like, as a Yankee fan, I can try and talk myself into it.

Ryle up hope. As an Astros fan, I don't think they should be fearsome. As an, if I were an Astros fan, if I were a boy, if I were an Astros fan, the first time you would get genuinely nervous would be before a first pitch of the game seven. Because they have literally an ace in a hole. They have the ace in the hole in Garrett Cole. So, A, they're saying, all right, we're going to go back home.

We'll take care of this in game six and move on. if they don't, they're still going to say, well, this is why we, like, they'll be saying like, well, we could have pitched Cole game six, but we saved him for game seven, because we knew we'd have them. So, and you're welcome, Houston, for that impression. I just think, and then right before game seven, you'd go like, holy shit, the pressure would be on us, because we have, we had a 3-1 lead. We have Garrett Cole on the mound. If we fuck this up, we're the assholes.

But yeah, if you're Houston, you're still confident. I think what is the funny thing, Jimmy, that I'll say confidently because it's kind of bad for Houston. It's gotten overlooked because the Yankees haven't played good baseball in about two games. Houston hasn't been great. I think they have three games where they're hitless with runners in scoring position. There's a couple guys in their lineup that are really struggling, but the Yankees were like one-upping them. And now I think some of the Houston.

flaws of this series are being brought to light a little bit more. The Houston flaws, like, Alvarez is there hitting. It's just no one can hit, really. Do you know that Houston is worse than the Yankees with runners and scoring position in the series? Yeah. And I think that's what I'm saying. Like, it was funny before today's game, some of the Houston beat riders were, like,

posting the numbers and be like, you know, oh, yeah, you think the Yankees are having bad luck. Like, look at Houston. And it's like, well, hey, a lot of the pitchers are shoving. and B, yeah. Like, it was before today's game, it was a great thing for Houston that they were still winning with these stats.

After tonight's game, it's kind of like, oh, Houston's got some problems too. Yeah. How many players do you think in this series and were five games deep? Have a batting average on both teams. Damn, this is through the first four games, so it's a little harder.

Yeah. Damn. Through the first four... Let's play that game. No, I was going to play... Let's change you, John boy, this. Who's hitting? I was going to play who's not hitting

because the Astros actually have more... They have more players after four games with the batting average that starts with a zero than the Yankees. Which I wouldn't have guessed. Yeah. They have Uly Guriel and Alvarez. Both those guys have 063 and 067. after four did you get some hits today no geryl and alvers both went oh for four so those guys

they those guys are the biggest black holes for the astros and then on the yankees you have a lot you have gardiner gary edwin's out now but stan didn't look good who is hitting yeah i mean it's it's kind of it's it's what the yankees just did when when when And Jordan Alvarez and Yule Gureel, the Y guys, when they were involved a little earlier in the series, I mean, those were their five and six hitters. And Correa was seven-haul, which, and Correa, you know, was a big threat. He obviously had the game-winning home run. You know, that stretches out their lineup so much more.

Now that those guys are struggling, and even Correa's not having a great series, the ones he's hit have counted big time. But yeah, I mean, Houston is having a very similar situation to what the Yankees were having with only their top guys really bringing it to the plate and the rest just being a dead hole. Torinos is now 0 for 13 in four games. After five games, Jake, how many,

how many people have more than two hits? Whoa, this sounds like an awesome stat. I'm really excited for this. So you have to have three hits or more. Three hits or more after five games. The Yankees have four players that have more than two hits. And the Astros have four as well. It's four and four.

Or no. Did Bregman get a hit today? Okay, it's five and four. Astros have five. Yankees have four. Altuve, Brantley, Correa, Springer, Bregman, all have more than two hits. Springer and Bregman only have three each. DJ, Glaber, Judge, and Dedy. Dedy have three.

It's really just the top of the lineups for both teams, man. Altuve, Brantley, DJ, Glaber, Judge. Those are like the guys that are hitting. It's very top of the order heavy It shows up in the stats And it shows up in the field for the game I mean when when was the last time That we were at a team's you know

Eighth or ninth hitter and we're like oh crap Like it just hasn't happened No and they let Mariznit Because all those guys All those guys feel bad Mariznick got a hit today and I was like come on Because now you got now Paxton puts two on For Springer

That was I was pretty like you can't can't do this Paxton. Come on, man. And then he gets out of it. He struck out Springer, so that was cool. But he had Mariznick O for two. They throw Mariznick in there versus a lefty, right? What are they going to make any changes to their lineup? They have Tucker, who they can play. They started him a game and they started him in the ALDS game. Redick had a couple hits and a bomb home run. Do they make any changes? Do they take out Alvarez? Do they take out Gurriel for a start?

Because tomorrow is going to be all bullpen days. So you're going to want to mix and match a lot of people. And maybe like, you know, if you can sprinkle Tucker the leftian to change up the matchups a little instead of Alv or instead of Gueriel or I don't or no, Alvarez is a lefty. So put Mariznick in instead, and then Tucker, I don't know, do they make any changes, do you think? I'll say this. I think with the lineup, they don't really make any changes. I think right field for them right now. Reddick and the kid, Kyle Tucker, is kind of a coin flip.

Tucker's obviously much more talented, but Redick's the veteran. And you saw, like, a mistake got made to Reddick, and he put in the seats. and he made a really nice catch today. That Reddick Basket catch, that was underrated. That's a nice play. It also is a very, very nice play. But it looked funky because when broadcast switch from one camera to the other, you lose some frames.

So they were on the wide camera and he didn't catch it yet. He was running it down. And then they switched to the closed camera and it was in his glove. And in that one frame that it jumped, we didn't see it go into his gloves. So it was like, what the fuck just happened? It was weird. So I think for Houston, it's less of, I don't think for game six you make any drastic changes. I mean, Jordan Alvarez is going to win the rookie of the year, having only played like 90 games or something.

I think what has been allowed is that you're more open to pinch hit opportunities. Like, like maybe they'd, I don't know, maybe they wouldn't be scared to use. Mariznick, you know, he's a defensive specialist for them. Does that mean they start them and they're not afraid to go, not afraid to go away from him? Or if Tyler Lyons came in for a Josh Redick at bat, would they pinch hit him? I don't know. I think if you're Houston, you definitely have to be more open to that. Because, I mean, let's be honest, coming into tonight, there was a chance Houston steamrolled this series four to one. And, you know, things were kind of rainbows and butterflies. it's compromising.

No, no. Love Maroon 5. But I think, again, after today, a lot of the things that have been like, oh, yeah, the Astros, you know, they're a great team and stuff has been going their way. The second line has been like, yeah, the Astros are a good team, but they've got their problems too. And it'll be interesting to see how aggressively Hinch does attack those. Yeah.

I mean, it's going to be interesting to see how. Hinch attacks his bullpen day tomorrow. I mean, your Kiti is going to get a chunk of action, I'm guessing, Jake? Yeah. And I don't know. I think we rope. I think we rope-a-doped Brad Peacock. You think so?

They let him get him out, one, two, three today? I mean, Judge was sitting off-speed again and took a fastball on the middle of strike three. They let Brad Peacock look. good because I think now AJ Hinch will use them tomorrow and they think Brad Peacock's meat. So that was that was the old rope atop. That was smart of them. So Jose, you're Keity, and I have no idea if I'm saying that right, he pitched one postseason outing in Tampa Bay when Verlander sucked.

He hit Darno in the first, then they got the double play ball, then he gave up a single, then a walk. First four batters he faced, he allowed on. Then he got a strikeout. Got out of that. And then the next inning, single strikeout, single strikeout. So, I mean, that's a lot of base runners and not a lot of time. And I think five.

And he got, he let five base runners on while recording five outs. And it's a small sample, but it's in his first time in the postseason. But trying to say is your key, he's not really a threat. and he's their bulk guy, I think. I think the bigger thing, and I think one thing that you and I will mutually agree on, Jim, is that if we were AJ, how about on the count of three, if you were AJ Hinch, who do you start in game six?

One, two, three, Joe Smith. Joe Smith. Yeah, okay, that's cool. It's a no-brainer for us. He looked really good. The Yankees are going to have those three righties at the top of the order. and Joe Smith's a veteran. I think he's like 15 years in the league.

So that seems like a no-brainer. We'll see what Hinch actually does. For Erkidi, Jim, I think, again, I'm getting into gym mode, which is my favorite mode. I think we've been saying this all series, so I don't think this is too Yankee-centric to say. The Yankees are rooting for bullpen throughout this series.

When the Astros bullpen comes in, that's a win. When the Yankees bullpen comes in, they feel like that's a win. And it's a bullpen day. Yeah, but the Astros bullpen has been great and not bad. So I don't know if that's... They have.

They have. They have. But, I mean, if you're the Yankees, like this is what you want it. Think about before the rain out how excited Yankee fans were for the bullpen game. I know. No, I totally agree with you. But we were expecting to get to the bullpen game. and after game one, we haven't. They've been fine. I mean, the bullpen looked better than

Verlander. Then the bullpen looked better than Cole almost. Like, yeah, I think the bullpen stats are actually skewed a little bit because Glaber got the one run off of Joe Smith. And then in the first game, the Yankees put up some bonus runs against the bullpen. So those numbers look skewed. But in the innings that have mattered for Houston's bullpen, they've been great. Yeah. Who do we, All right. Well, we're going to... We'll kick it to... Any final thoughts on today's game? Final thoughts is...

Judge, there was a quote that Bregman said after game two where Bregman said something like, we weren't going to let this... We weren't going to go to New York down O2. That was Bregman's quote, right? Right? Yeah. We, this... Like, our team was never going to go down to two. And there was like an extra in this game.

And I had no problem with the quote at all. Like I totally get it. But a lot of Yankee fans had an issue with it. I thought it was a hard-o quote. I thought it was a hard-o quote. And I think the same with judges. Yeah. Well, Judge just said the same thing.

So my message to Yankee fans is if you were upset with what Brighman said, the judge just said the same exact thing. His quote after the game was, I knew we were going back to Houston after I woke up this morning. It's fine. Like, they're athletes. Like, if they lost, he would have, he would have, pocketed that feeling.

Yeah, yeah. That thought would not have come out if the Yankees lost. I just think it's funny how much there was an uproar and Bregman said it in Yankees' Twitter. And like I wonder if there's not now because it's a same exact quote. And it's fine. It's just like, yeah, I was confident. It's easy to say, yeah, I was confident after the fact.

But anyway, let's take a quick break. And then we will come back and preview this game six, a little more. Okay, cool. Break over. Jake, who is the Yankees bulk guy?

Chad Green's going to get this start. I would, if he doesn't, I'd be shocked. What can Astros fans, third party fans, expect? Because it's kind of a toss-up. Do you go Hap?

Do you go Sessa? Do you go Johnny Ells? Who's getting, who's coming in after Chad? In your perfect world if you map out nine innings. And we can try to do this for the Astros, but we won't be able to do it as well. Can I try to do it first?

Yes. I think you get two plus out of Chad. I'll add on to this before I do whatever my spiel ends up looking like. I think Chad is the bulk guy. I think he's going to get to face the most batters up until the Yankees get to the meat of their bullpen. I agree with that. I agree with that.

Well, okay, let's work backwards here. Chapman for the ninth, Britain for the eighth, Canely. Well, you have to imagine those guys for, you have to combine those guys for three innings in a bullpen game. Okay, so nine, eight, seven. I mean, Britain just threw a good amount of pitches. Yeah, not too bad, but he didn't pitch the day before. Okay.

Canley, Kaneley's the dude who's pitch back-to-back day, so he's one. So let's eliminate three innings for Chapman and Britain. Yes. One for Canley. Okay, so we have five innings to go. So you give two plus to Chad. Let's call it two to be safe. Two to be safe.

Now we have three innings. I think it's the kitchen sink, man. It's three innings. And yeah, you might get some, you might, I mean, you might get some fucked up shit. You might get Ben Heller for a righty, Tyler Lyons for the lefty, bring in Sessa for batter by batter, bring in hat for the next lefty. Yeah, it might be nuts. Adavino, please toss him in the dumpster.

I'm just joking, I'm Adamadovino. I don't want you in the dumpster. No, I mean, he probably, he probably gets a shot. You know, if it's Cherinos and there's two outs, that might be a bad amount of Amatovino gets in the second inning, how the times have changed. But yeah, I think the Yankees try to ugly this game up. I think it's the classic when you watch a lesser football team

and you're like, yeah, they got to run the ball, control it, make it ugly. I think the Yankees inning three through five might be ugly. You might see Loisigua, Heller, Hap, Lions. Who am I missing? Adavino. You can see five pitchers in those innings. Arovino, Otavino will get a chance, but he better be batter by batter. Like he better be

Quick, quick, quick hook And you know what might be good for him Is finding that window If it's You know, if there's a Gerell If there's back-to-back Rydies towards the bottom of Houston's order

Like maybe be like Adam prepare for these guys Because you're going to face them in the fourth inning Like just be ready for that because you have to do anything you can to make him more comfortable than he's been. But yeah, I think, you know, a lot of people are assuming HAP. Jimmy, we've come this far. It's game six.

Let's say Chad is going to go through the Astros lineup once. 30 pitches, whether it's 1.2 innings or it's three innings if he gets somehow clean. when the Astros come up for their second time through the lineup, you're not going to open up J.Hap with Springer, Brantley, Altuve, and Bregman. That's not how the Yankee ship is going down. And maybe that's what you tell out of Vino. Maybe you tell out of Vino like, hey, Chad's open in this game, George Springer's first at bat, you better come out and fucking get them,

because that's yours. And then we're going to go Lions to Brantley, and then we're going to go another righty Heller to Jesus Heller to Bregman and Altovae Yeah, screw that I don't know man

I don't know, Loisaga, get loose kid Yeah, Loisga and Cessor above Heller I think Sessa I think Sessor you could go batter by batter Yeah Lions get a lefty and get them out of there I think the end of the story is The Yankees are going to be kitchen sink

every literally all hands on deck until about the fifth and then on uh astro's side like i i have no idea i mean we we want we say joe we would start joe smith but we don't know if they're actually going to do that they might start erchiti and like dude they might roll erkeith like if he can give him four then they'll they'll roll him i think i think it's a it's it's it's definition of like and Astros fans, again, correct us if are wrong, because we understand that, like, our point of view is imperfect on this. But, I mean, Erkiti, again, like, they're only going to let him get in so much trouble, you know? Yeah, but if he's a talented kid.

If he's dealing, I think they'll let him roll. Whereas if Chad's dealing, he's not going more than one time through the order. Right. I mean, literally, for stretched out reasons. I don't know. I don't think Urquidi would If Rikidi makes it clean twice through the lineup I still think they pull the plug

Twice yes Like I don't think Urquitie's per Yeah I think the most he'll do is twice through the lineup If he's even starting like we don't know I guess I should check Twitter But I doubt they would announce it in a bullpen game They actually shouldn't And then like As Soona is going to take care of the back half

Right Joe Smith and Will Harris have been Have been getting a lot of innings Josh James, but the Yankees scored on it. Yeah, James has really been, James has been good for them, and he's semi, he's not starting pitcher stretched out, but he's, he's stretched out decently for a reliever. He's another guy that could open or they could save him for innings five and six.

I don't know, but he's been good this series and he's one of the more talented arms they had. And then Ryan Presley, like Yankees fans are kind of hoping that he comes out. Yeah, that's a, that would be the fun one. on talking Astros that I don't know if our bias is in there, but I think talking Stroes, they're saying, please don't start Presley. And I think they're saying don't use Presley in 6, 7, 8, 9.

Yeah, I mean, he's got two outings this postseason, 0.2 innings, 2 earned runs. In game 2 versus the Yankees, he came out, gave up a hit, they pulled them right away, didn't even get an out. in game four versus the Yankees. He got two outs, but he walked a batter. He got credited for the win.

Yeah, I think, I don't know. I don't know if they have blind faith in him, like the Yankees seem to have an out of Vino, or if they're like, nah, he hasn't looked great. I've got an interesting question for you. And I don't know if you saw any of the AJ Hinch quotes. But when AJ Hinch was asked about Garrett Cole, he's pretty much said, like, yeah, Cole,

Cole should be off the table for tomorrow. Do you think if Houston has a lead, maybe after the sixth inning, there's any chance they'd tell Garrett Cole to fire it up because he's their best dude? No, because if you do that, you should have just started him. Because if you're going to burn him for game seven,

start him. Yeah. I just, I agree with you, but the way that he said the quotes has me just a little hesitant. And, I mean, they, they watched that Boston Red Sox team who literally was like, hey, whoever's up next, like, get ready and get loose. And the Red Sox pushed their team to the limit last year, and it worked.

I could see a situation where if they're up 3-1 and the 6th, that they go to Garrickal. That would be nuts. It would be a dagger. But also if you, man, if you do, if you do that, cold needs to be the rest of your game. Right. Like, you can't use. Cole, he gets the eighth inning, then you go to Osuna in the ninth.

And then you can't do that. If you bring in Cole, you need to ride him to the game ends. I don't think that's do it. They just start them. I'm just picturing the Red Sox run last year. They had a couple moments where it was like, holy crap, if Houston can somehow push one across, Boston just played their whole hand. It never happened, but Houston might have watched that last year.

And if they've got a chance and they have the lead in the later innings, they might just go for the throat with Cole because Osuna's look good, Will Harris's look good, but they're not Garrett Cole. Yeah. I'm very interested to see how a bullpen play, bullpen day plays out. We might get like a one-nothing game. These offenses are doing absolutely nothing.

Bullpen days are harder. All the runs have come off starters, it feels like. Besides, Adivino gave up some runs, and then their bullpen gave up some runs in game one. But I think the majority of the runs have come off starters, right? Chad gave up a three-run home run. All the impact runs have come off starters. Is that correct to say?

Like, games have been won off starting pitching besides game two. Yeah, I guess now. I think, well, the Gary home run, I think that was relief. And it wasn't impact in the game necessarily. And then the Chad Green three-run homer. And the out of Veno homer, so no. Yeah, no, I guess not. Starting pitching is still your best chance to score early.

I don't know. Hey, maybe it'll be a baseball Susan moment that we wake up to a 9-8 game and the lineups do their job on bullpen day. I don't know, man. Yeah. All right. I think we talked through it all. Nationals are just sitting around hanging out.

Other teams are still doing their manager search. Like there's a lot of other baseball news. I guess once the World Series is over, we're done with these daily shows. We're going to have so much to catch up on. But for now, this is in the grind. If you're a Yankees fan, tune into the pregame show tomorrow before the game. And then I don't know if we lose, if the Yankees lose tomorrow, I don't think I'm going to hit that bottom that I hit last night.

I think, uh, Kind of like I accepted death, and now we're dancing with the devil a little bit, and neither we're still dead. Or I'm like, if it gets to game seven, I can't even say it. Yeah. Then you'll see some. I'll be unable to control myself as well again. We'd be fucked up mentally if it goes to game seven.

Jim, the scariest thing, speaking from a Yankees fan perspective, is if tomorrow is a tight loss or a crushing loss. or however it happens, that would mean the Yankees would have two games they'd point to in this series and say, like, those could have been ours. That's my biggest fear as a Yankee fan right now is that we end up pointing at game two

and being like, fuck, we had them. So, I don't know, you're right. We died after game four. But I don't know, man. I'm locked in. How about this? I'd be saying this if it was the other way around. After game one, I said, or after game two, I said,

I think this bad boy's going seven. It's two great teams. Let's get to seven. Yeah. All right. That ends this episode. Thank you guys very much for listening and hanging out with us. We will be back tomorrow, either incredibly happy and nervous or incredibly, I guess, sad.

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