Talkin' Baseball (MLB Podcast) - 430 | The FINAL 2021 All-Jomboy-Media Team

Episode Date: November 24, 2021

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Hello and welcome to talking baseball. It's time to set the all JM team 2021 official. Let's do it. Hello and welcome to talking baseball brought to you by Draft Kings. How's everyone doing? My name's Jimmy in the middle. We got Trevor. And on the other side of the screen, we have Jake in the little home plate down below, producer BBD.

and this is talking baseball where we have some really heavy and serious matters to discuss because we're talking lifelong resumes right now. Jake, do you have anything else you want to discuss off the rip? I'm nervous, man. I'm nervous for these guys. You know, we are a legacy pod, leg pod. A lot of people have called us that.

and guys get remembered or forgotten from days like today. You know, people talk about would Trevor Ploofs 2014 have landed on this list? I don't know. I'd like to relive it, but in 2014, BBD was in second grade. I was in high school. So I'm excited to do this with you, boys. It was a recurring up through the year. We can finally tie a bow on it and reward those that deserve.

to be rewarded like my guy, Trevor Plouffe. I have a question for you before we start, because this is important. You know, we are hoping that eventually we'll have a badge on someone's B-Ref page. What color are we going with for the stripe? Like, you know, it's like the text and there's a color over it. I think we need to figure that out. That will be sorted. I don't think we can decide on it now.

It's pretty serious. I would like to do like sparkly, almost like a diamond. I like that. Kind of like when MySpace used to be able to control the backgrounds. I think like just a daisy emoji. Like a flower? Yeah. Okay.

I went to my page to see what other ones were and I don't have any. So I had to go to a different page. For anyone that doesn't know over the course of the 2021 season, at the end of each month, we gave the all-JM team. Now, the thought process behind doing it was one, the All-Star Games of Fars. Two, it's cool to see which, who's the best because it wasn't just you win April, you in May, you in June. No, it's April, then April plus May.

So who can do it. So we do have some guys that went pole to poll. I think that went one every single month at their position in their league. And that almost needs. to be on our website. Like, Yes, differentiated. It's differentiated, like italics maybe.

Like, never wasn't the best I think it's, it's yellow daisy. If you win the award, it's the vibrant silver daisy if you go pole to pole. Yes, yes, yes. And what's also interesting is you can have a guy

and we might have one of these that won more months than the guy who takes home the full prize at the end of the season. Oh, absolutely. that's tough yeah it's a long time point that point that one out to me i'm curious i got to i think it's the a l shortstop race but i don't know where we're landing on that that's the other exciting thing audience some of these aren't final there's a real award show you're in the writer's room right now

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because one is in the title and then it makes sense to start in the al because a is the first letter yep and we are a cron pod and have always been and this guy is our pole to pole like he's the one that i knew Silver Daisy. He's a silver day. This guy, that's such a cool, cool thing. I hope 10 years from now, we're still using the term silver daisy. And people know what it means.

Well, why wouldn't we? So Vladdy Jr. It's a 2021 silver daisy. By the way, one of the few guys that could pull off a silver daisy. Yes. He probably already wears a. silver daisy. He won it in April. He won it

in April and May. He won it April, May, June. He won it April, May, June, July. He won it April, May, June, July, August. And he wanted April, May, July, September. Denver. His final stats on the year? One of you got him in front of you? You want to share?

You want his... I'll read his stats off by mom. Vladdy Jr. finished with 161 games played. We like that. 48 home runs that cleared the over on his home run total for the year. 311 batting average. Shout out Cole Tucker. 401 on base, 601 slug, and a 1. OPS, Flattito, introduced himself to the world,

reintroduced himself to the world this year. Looking at the AL for contenders for every position on our sheet. He's the only one with the one dot OPS and the only one with a 400 on base percentage. And the only one with a 600 slugging. And the only one with a 300 batting average. So holy smokes. What a season. Siffy.

You think he puts? 66 weighted runs created plus is far and away the best i mean yeah he really just was the best and that doesn't happen that often the silver daisy you really are proud of something like that because if you're able to start hot and stay hot the entire time that's that's a dream season i'd venture out to say we look we kind of like look this up and we start to chart it we're probably only going to give out maybe three a year treb why don't you go look out how many guys have earned silver daisies before I'll do that. I'll get back to you.

10 years from now when we got our website. I mean, probably the most searched page. Prestige. Imagine no one else ever does it and we're just bummed because we never get to throw the term around ever again. That'd be interesting. But what's more interesting. We probably make sure it happened.

That's how award shows become bad. We're going to be forced a silver daisy. We said we're an award show. What do you get what you get, bro? He led the league in runs, home runs, OBP, slugging OPS, OPS Plus, total bases, but... Yes. Why are these stats different than what we have on our sheet? Our sheet says one stolen base, zero caught stealings.

Maybe that's as a first baseman. Probably. Yes, I have four. Four on baseball reference, yeah. Also on fan graphs. Only competition, Matt Olson, but pretty far. far behind in every other category. What's interesting is I'm looking at their defensive war on fan grabs and

Maddie Olson had a really bad year this year or something defensively. Defensive analytics don't exist. Yeah, on our website, it's a, it's a fan poll. It's a fan poll. I like it. You have to be honest about how many games you've actually watched the person play. And that waits it. That waits your vote.

Yeah, okay. So, well, you were getting that up and running. we had some it's legitimately on our list of things to do it probably won't happen for a couple years but we like talk to a tech guy and an analytics guy to make our own j reference page with all that with all our thumbs that j war the compete stat the kiper the people need to track them you know um we're developing our own analytical style yes so confused about the stolen base numbers being different, but all the other numbers being the same.

Could be D.H thing, like you said. All right. Let's move it on. That was easy. Easy. American League. Second baseman. Also easy, I think.

Also easy. A guy who may not return to the team. A guy that played side by side with Vladig Jr. Marcus Simeon. Now, I don't believe he went pole to pole, but I think he got a lot of wins. Nick Solac locked down. He has one pedal. You get, you know, if you get a month, you get a Daisy pedal.

Oh, my God. Yeah. No, like Solac doesn't get a pedal. You get a pedal. That's for, that's Nick Solic. Yeah. I think so. I like that.

So there's seven, what's a seven peddled flower? Because then you could put how many months they won by the amount of petals on the flower. Like Simeon would have six petals on his flower. I like that. We'll figure this out. This is happening live, people. Congrats to next Solac snake in April when we had no idea that this was going to be a recurring segment. He had the best month.

He did have the best month. Yeah, you're right. Marcus Simeon had the best year, 45 homers. From second base, that's stupid. Also snag the gold glove, whoops. Yeah, pretty much as good as you can do on a bet on yourself here. Good job, Marcus. Fifteen bags, just really doing it all over the place.

I love the transformation of Marcus Simeon. I love it. Like from a guy that couldn't play shortstop to like a power-hitting middle infielder, second or short, whatever you need, I got you. he's turned into like a hell of a player. We're talking. This guy is a couple seasons now in the top three MVP voting, right?

Um, I don't know. To be as frank as I can. He's good. It's good. Anybody close? Do we want to do that? Do we want to talk about close people? We're just,

I think it. Well, there's a couple that we're going to have to debate. Um, so no, I think if they got it, they got it. I mean, you can just rip the names real quick just to let him know. I mean, Brandon, is it loud or low? Damn it, I can't believe I'm having to ask this at this point in the season. Loud. Be loud.

God damn. I knew it. Great year. Altube, great year. And I guess Enrique, Kike, our guy. We'll throw a fourth place finished out there. He played a lot, though. That's the other thing.

Positionally, we take into account unlike Gold Glob and all the other awards. All right. So. One like on Simian to answer Treves earlier. question. This is his second top three MVP finish and they are the last two like full seasons of baseball. Yeah. Hell yeah. Awesome. All right. Shortstop is where we get to a live debate here. There are two guys and these two guys have been teeter tottering. I think the whole time. Let's see in April it was Correa. After two months, Xander took it. After three months, Carlos took it.

back after four months, Zander took it back. After five months, Correa took it back. It's, and this has come to, I don't know the last two times. I don't think we were, unanimous. I think it was a two to one vote between the three of us. So I'm interested to see where we land here. Their numbers are crazy, um, similar. They have been to. The OPS is separated by 13. It's 863 to 850. The slugging is 493 to 485. Like, you know, one guy's got the advantage there, but it's not crazy. Now on base percentage is 370 for Zander and 366 for Carlos.

The same amount of doubles, 34 doubles a piece. They're separated by three homers. 155 hits, 156 hits like this is crazy. F-4 really close. 5.2. for Xander Correa has 5.8. I believe B-Wore, which I've been told I should like more because it's like what actually happened, no projections, just like the results of your season.

I think Carlos is a lot higher. Thank you, right. He put a 7.2B war, second in all the baseball amongst position players, only behind Marcus Simeon. Marcus Yeah It's this tough I'll throw it out there

I don't I don't I don't think it's that And Zander got a 4.9 I'm going to Vos Voted for Karea as well Voting for Kreya Didn't he win

Plotty glove too The gold is plattie You got a lot So when you watch the Astros And you see that they shift Correa to like deep right For the cutoff It's like just you know

That's that's Such a difference maker You're changing the way You play defense Because of him That you can can't let the defense slide when you were talking about a position. You know, we're not just, it's not bad only.

This would be a discussion if Xander's hitting numbers were above Carlos. Then we would do a whole bicker and Treb would probably take the unpopular vote because he's willing to do that for the people. But is his Correa? Yeah. Yeah, it is. Yeah, the plate appearances are similar. Correa had more.

So yeah. All right. Lock it in. Lock that in, January. Lock it in. Congratulations. Carlos Correa. Enjoy your daisy.

Hey, on a walk year. How'd a boy. Two walk years. Yeah. Simian and Correa. Beautiful. All right. Moving on over the infield.

We have another competition at third base. And I think it's between one listed. So what are you talking about here? Yeah, but the other one was on there. I don't know what happened to it. Is it not a debate anymore? There's an offensive debate between Jose Ramirez and Rafael Devers. Devers, 38 homers, Ramirez, 36.

Devers, 279, 352, 538 slug. Jose Ramirez 266, 355, also a 538 slug. I think with some of the defensive numbers and... Holy shit, their slash lines are identical. Another part of this game that sometimes gets forgotten in baseball, and it's where J-RAM was only listed on our list. 27 swipes. That's no joke in today's baseball.

No, we're a pro stealing bases. We... Yes. Athletes. In fact, if you steal a base, your slugging percentage goes up in our... Yes. This is a tough break for Devers, if that's the way we're going. He won it the first four months.

He won it April, May, June, July, and then in the second half, J-RAM won it after August. And now it sounds like we're all giving it to J-RAM. Are Boston fans going to hate us? Yes. I already do. No. But what we're doing is just saying the numbers are exactly the same. same.

Like the slash lines are eerily similar. Ramirez better defense and swipe 27 bags. Yeah. I mean, that's, that's a separator. I mean, we know there's going to be a lot of good ballplayers, but there's only one winner. J. Ram had a, um, media team. He had a higher walk percentage and a lower K percentage.

Yep. Scored more runs. All right. Devers is a stud. Look. Absolutely. It's a great year. Nothing wrong with Devers.

He just ain't a crazy. That's all. He got to come. couple petals, but couldn't it become a flower? No, if you get like, he's an ex-solat-type. If you get three-d-dazy pedals this year and then three daisy petals next year or four.

I'm actually not giving out pedals. Yeah. It's just like you get the flower and then your flower has a representative amount of pedals. Like J-Ram is going to be a daisy, but he's only got two pedals on it. Okay. I don't like that. So you have to win.

You get a daisy. You get a full day. You get a full Daisy. Two of the pedals are. Why don't you want to give Nick Solek his pedal? I don't want to give a medal. You'd have that for life. If you dress up like a flower girl and hand him out, I'll do it.

I don't think he gets up Daisy. I think you're right, James. I think, but he does get to the knowledge that he was a winner one month. But I do like that on, on, like, J. Ram's Daisy. two of the petals are like bolded or just like a slightly different tint. So you can know that means you won two months. And they have to be like where in the flowers of the month. Yes.

Oh. Because we're a cron pod. I sent BBD a picture of a silver daisy. If he wants to put it on screen, it's badass. I got one more. Silver daisy. So that's the AL infield. But we do have to see who is behind the dish.

another I don't think it's close but there's two guys available yeah there's two I'm interested to see which way you don't think it's close it's Zanino and it's Salvi yeah

they both had great years I don't know the history here I think Salvi won it the first time then Zanino then Zanino then Zanino then Alvy so 2-2 then Zanino we gave it to after August or I don't know if we did it. We didn't detonate.

It just says both of them still. So I have no idea who we gave it to after August. Shit. We got to keep track better. For me, it's Salvador Perez. Looking at it now and knowing that more more games aren't going to get played and it's finite, the amount of games, I think a higher average and the home runs, those three are unbeatable for anything Zanino can do.

Because the high batting average means he, it was helping consistently, and he played a ton of games. It's not as Zanino's fault. They don't start him every single game, but for me, it's, it's Salvi. I think that the fact that we do kind of get into detail on that, and we say that games do mean,

games played means something to us. It's important. And I agree with you, James. I believe Salvador Perez is on the all-John boy media team at the catcher position. And by the way, I think we're all speaking timidly because F-War has Big Z with the edge. B-war, where again, everyone's making this up until J-War comes out and it's the final answer. Yeah. Perez has him on B-War.

So if that F-war wasn't out there, which again is a number that just like exists in nature, Salvi hit 48 homers this year. That's stupid. He gets a daisy. He is a daisy. The only... He's the only one when you go fan graphs and you sort by qualified for AL catchers.

That comes up. Like no other AL catcher has the amount of that bats to qualify for any award or anything. He has over 220 more bats than the next catcher. Sean Murphy has 448 and Sal ended with 665 played appearances. That's, that's great. I mean, how many days was DH, though? How many days did he de age? I'm curious about that.

Salvador Perez this year, he dached 40 games. Okay. Zunino is not going to DH when he's not playing. So that's kind of what hurts him. He might have snagged a few. He didn't he didn't do it at all. Good for Big Z. Yeah.

So he caught, I mean, still, he still caught 120 games. That's a lot of games. Yeah. He still probably led the big leagues and games catched, right? It's cotton. I think so. Games catched cotton. Yachting might have stolen from him.

Yeah, maybe. Whatever. Whatever. Pointing in the sales on the field. Yeah. Okay. Are we, are we naming them? Yeah.

Salvador Perez. Did you think I was going to go Zanino, Jake? I mean, you know, I know Trev's a war guy. I know you love Big Z. You're established for a B-War pod. I know before we talk about the outfielders and the starting pitching in the D.H. We should talk about dugout mugs a little bit. The official presenters of the outfield, the D.H.

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Dugoutmugs.com 30% off. Dugoutmugs.com 30% off, Johnboy. It's the perfect gift for any baseball. fan. This can be your way to give them a silver daisy. Buy a silver daisy, put it in the mug, give it to them and say, you're my silver daisy. Do we have a silver daisy in the outfield category? No, shit, we don't. I thought, I thought we were going to have one, but something fell over here. damn we still have one just one so far just i thought sedrick mullins was going to have it for a outfield but he after april and may he did not make it yeah it's tough also i'm starting to

think that getting a pedal early in the season for outfield like might jinx you because we had Buxton, Trout, Luriano. You know, it's not good. It's just pedal history, man. It's true. BPD, can you bring up a tweet from the last time we did this if there's like a, there's a Silver Daisy? If there's a tweet, because we didn't, we didn't like detonate who we chose on the

August episode on the sheet. So I don't know. There's four outfielders listed. And I don't, I forget who gave it to. Actually, I do remember, but there's others that I don't. So we just have that tweet that I can reference to you. Anyway, outfielders. Cedric Mullins has it.

We'll figure out the pedals, but Cedric Mullins has a daisy. Yeah. Oh, he's got a daisy and he's got five of the six petals. Highlighted or shaded or whatever it is. It's nice. What a year. Decided to not be a switch hitter anymore and just tore it up. Again, 159 games.

We love that. He only missed three games. So he gets the 675 plate appearances. Gosh, that's a lot. And it gives him the ability to, you know, produce counting stats. I tell people that all the time. You got to play. 30 homers, 37 doubles.

I mean, that's, I love seeing the extra base hits stack up on top of each other. It's one of my favorite things. So Cedric Marlins, 30 bags, too, 30, 30. I didn't, he got there. Whoops. how about it? All right. We don't know that?

I think I would have remembered that. I think that's known. To me, 3030 is a big, big deal. I don't know if I, if I registered it, I don't remember registering it. Anyway, alongside him, we have certainty, Aaron Judge.

Those two wrote it through. I think Judge missed out on April, but come May voting, he got one, two, three, four pedals. And then this will be a fifth. So he's a daisy, big daisy. Big daisy.

Good year from Judge. Healthy. Yeah. He, he ends up, what I don't like about looking at judge's numbers on the year is that, you know, 89 runs. That could be 90. 24 doubles, like just get one more. 39 homers, just round that off.

98 RBIs. He's just so close to having really cool numbers. Well, it's not his fault that, you know, yeah. Just one more double, one more homer. And let's like make, make the numbers look pretty. You really would have loved a two run homer to get to 40 homers 100 RBI. Yeah.

Yeah. It would have been nice. It would have been a much better thing. 40 homers, 100 RBI as you say that. 39 homers. You don't even bother. 98 RBIs is not a thing. That's Judge had a good year.

Yeah, good year, good year. We're in numbers. Oh, they're good. Judge had a daze. Otherwise, you get an argument. You go, dude, 4,100. Yeah. So, you know, you got to kind of judge next time.

Just think about that. I think you could still say 4,100 if you just round up. Yeah. I think you still can. Did he go on the I.L at all this year? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, but it's COVID IL out of the break. COVID Iowa out of the break, okay.

Speaking of getting those numbers, Treve, you were in the league, but do you know the story of Arod doing that? Of getting what numbers? So, um, like round numbers? Yeah, it was like his, it was like he was up for the chance to have 100 RBIs

and 30 home, I could find it for the 10 years in a row. Yes. And the last game of the season, he was two homers and eight RBIs away. And he did it in the trap. He had two grand slams or he had a grand slam of three run homer. And he knew the numbers. And they had to like make a comeback to get it.

And then he got it. That's crazy. The guy can play. Good guy. He's great. A lot of daisies back in his day. I think it was 0.9. I think that was a championship year.

Very good ball player. I'd have been avoided. Voided. Voided dazies. All right. Third outfielder, this has gone through a lot of different people. I named a buncher ready. Trout, Buxton, Luriano, Adelis Garcia, got a pedal.

You got two pedals even. Gallo got a pedal. Gallo got a pedal last year. The final pedal is a guy. I think I checked three different sides here. So like, what is a guy that, went pedoless all season, but is now a daisy.

That doesn't seem right. It doesn't, but I think it is. Jake, did you do cross-checking on this? Well, he would get one, he'd have one pedal. It would be the September, timber pedal. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So he was close. So, like, we're not, you know, pedal as daisies.

Not a bunch of idiots. No, it's, uh, I think we've all been cross-checking. to see who is even kind of punching up at Kyle Tucker from the Houston Astros. And I, the only guy that I have would be Te Oscar Hernandez, who is nasty and underrated and offensively gives Tucker a fight. But I think Tucker still even has him. So, yeah, it's a little bit of a war of attrition. Is that the right phrase?

It's interesting for Tucker because, so the reason he didn't win April is because he had a 610 OPS but the way our system works that's going to count towards May. He had a baller May, but combining April with it, he wasn't going to win May.

June was good but not elite. But then July 971 OPS, August 940, and then September when he finally gets the daisy, a 1.1 OPS. Yeah. His last

his last three months so his last 68 games 1.0. OPS 325 batting average 395 OVP so I mean I didn't realize it was three in a row that kind of just like kept climbing and climbing and climbing and climbing. Jim, this is perfect. This is why

the awards got made. Kyle Tucker not an All-Star. No. All-Star is bullshit. The third best outfielder in the American League this year Dude, it's, I might get, it's okay. This is why we're doing this. This is why we're getting my Shawshank Redemption on and I might write MLB or baseball reference a letter a day saying,

stop putting All Star in the awards category. It doesn't mean anything. You can put it there. It's just not as meaningful as a Daisy. You had, it's, you had, you know, eight good weeks. It's so meaningful, though, but it's not meaningful. I know. Imagine getting daisies.

Hey, if we meet any of these people, can we have daisies at the ready? Yeah, man. Yes. Obvious. We should always be strapped up with daisies in case we run into these guys. Yes. We can give them their flowers. One dotted his second half.

Good for Kyle Tucker. Kyle Tucker. I mean, how much you think it makes to like get a silver daisy? Dude, I googled it to find the picture and there's like some badass jewelry. If jock's making pearls, cool. Like Vladdy should just wear a silver daisy necklace. We're in Google silver daisy necklace. And look how like, you know, and then picture Vladdy wearing it shirtless.

I got the third one that comes up on the like the shopping ads. Yeah. Oh, these are nice. It's 41 bucks. I mean, look at that dangling. I'm sending it to BPD right now. Look at that dangling gorgeous. for Vladdy's unbuttoned jersey,

just on his chest, shining bright. With all the pedals, slightly different. Oh, no, his is silver. His is silver.

That's why it's kind of the platinum glove flex. Yeah. Okay. But better. So what's the other color, Daisy then? I don't know. Like,

I'm going to erase the word silver and just Google Daisy. It's just Daisy. You can get white. Okay. With some shading. Okay. Believe it or not, that message somehow didn't get to me, so I don't have the picture yet. Oh, in the Slack chat? Or in the...

In the chat on this app, it's been acting up for a little bit. I want Slack it to me, I'll have that. I really want the Kyle Tucker Abe Lincoln thing to catch on, so I'll just keep saying it, even though it might not work, but I'm trying still. So, you know, Kyle Tucker, Abe Lincoln, and if you really think about it, it works. Okay. A lot of people probably haven't given it. in enough thought. Yeah, he's, he's really tall and lanky, okay. It's huge. I know, no bad and close. Um, pitcher in the AL.

Okay. How many are we doing? Because that's what, what are we? One. It's just one. One. One just one guy. Just. I know in the NL, like, it's been, uh, bloodbath of voting and stuff. I don't, I, I'm interested to see where Trev goes here because we've always differed on the stats to look at. Uh, Robbie Ray is getting my daisy vote. I only care about innings pitched earned runs. It's a sweep, no? I mean, quality starts, a good one to look at. We have the compete stat. What's that set at? Quality start is a good one to look at. And then there's the stat I like where it's like how many six inning two or less, whatever the qualifier. We all have different benchmarks but yeah yeah i mean that on flattie's bare chest is nothing but saxon pride

i like it so we're all robbie yeah i did okay well some people are still make arguments about like cole was still better in all those projected analytics which i don't i care about those for next year but like for looking back robbie ray is easy the winner for giving out an award this year yeah he had a um 284 ERA and threw 193 pitches Innings 23 quality starts

I do want to tip my hat to Lance Lynn 269 ERA I don't think this one's not close I think Robbie did it Congrats to Robbie Ray You know I don't think we gave snaps for the outfielders are officially like summed it all up. Judge Mullins Tucker.

How about Tucker, man? How about Judge Mullins Tucker? That's... I like that. That's... You better be... You show respect when you're in that courtroom. That's a deep set.

I have it as a... I have it as in a hardware store. Judge Mullen's Tucker. And it's just the three of them. Three friends? It's... You don't even... walk in there. They're just intimidating and they make you feel terrible about your lack of knowledge

about hardware. Mullen's Tucker was on the football team, but never played, but like just loves football. He wasn't good enough. He was like probably the third string quarter. You know who was really good Tucker Mollins. He's smart. Yeah. Tucker Mollins was the guy. That's a running back. But now Judge Mueller Tuckins has the girl that Tucker Mollins had in high school because he's rich because he's a judge. Tucker Mullins is a running back that spins way more than you want them to. You're like, dude, you're big and strong.

Just power through him. Stop spinning. He doesn't have that grit. That's the AL. Nope. Well, it's the Shohei Award. Oh, the SHOHAH. We don't know where to put Shohei.

But he's not the best overall hitter. Yes, he is. He's the best DH. What are we doing? Okay, sure. It's just the show hey. He's going to have Just, like for the next how many years?

A thousand? Might as well start to call it the Shohei Award now. 46 homers. Like, no. Like, no. If he didn't out hit Yordan Alvarez, J.D. Martinez and Giancarlo. Then, yeah, that'd be a bullshit Otani Award. He literally was the best DH.

Okay. I'm in. He wins D.H. I always forget about it. Don't we have to acknowledge his pitching, too? That's what I'm saying. No, he doesn't. Not here.

I don't give a shit. He can't. Hold on. He can't bring the Daisy to the mount. He can bring it to the box. Because this is a precedent. It's going to be set now. Like, yeah.

He's winning. If you're a two-way guy, it's, you are a completely separate people. We cannot combine your ways. Um, yeah. For the, for these, you get split cut in half. You cut in half. Like, bam. He's getting this strictly on hitting.

Now I need to. Now I need to. Now I need to. Now I need to look at this. So this is where Trev is mix up, Trev. Like say J.D. did have better offensive numbers. Shohei would not get extra points because he also pitches for this award. So, yeah, for instance, J.D. has better offensive numbers.

He does. If he did, if he did, Shohay would not be recognized at all on the all John Boy Media team. Yes. No. Okay. That's fine. I'm just asking. I want to be clear about you know what if there becomes enough two way players there's a two way player award there's a two way player day to be given out but we just I think we should probably start it now because we have it. And then like 50 years from now I'd be like show I won the first 20 in 10 years when people start doing it it'll be called the show hey Otani daisy award for breaking the mold.

I mean show I want to talk about this after Max Fried might come for it. I think we should just start the two way player award now. Guys, by the way, I know we got caught up in it, like this season and now that we're a little bit past it. 46 home runs. Yeah. 26 steals. Yeah.

372 on base, a 152 weighted run creative plus, like unreal. I didn't know he got that many played appearances. Right? What? Whoa. Run them into the ground, Joe. 640. Is that real?

No. Nothing's real. But he was an everyday hitter. Yeah. Good job, show a DH award. Okay, now we move on. So in the NL, we're going to do like a util or whatever. Anyway, we'll get there when we get there.

I think we got a lot of debates in the NL. It's way heavier voting and like figuring out than the A.L. And if you're an NL guy, you got to shave your pubes. Absolutely. With man-skees. You're already at a deficit because the NL blows. Oh my God, these guys hate the NL. I don't hate the NL.

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on your countertop. Typically something you don't want to have on your countertop. But check it out. I keep mine in my silverware. drawer. It's that nice. You just never know. Yeah. So the NL we go. Yeah. First base, I believe we thought was locked up, then got messy. I mean, I'm trying to look at the history here. Jesus, Accuar won it in April. Paddle. After two months, it was Muncie. Three months, it was Muncie. Four months it was Muncie at the end of August it was Muncie and now because he got hurt so some

numbers didn't keep counting and he didn't play out the whole year there and Freddie got hot and Goldie there's a lot of going on here there's a lot going on these these guys are all pretty close on all those three this is horrifying I hit oh oh my God I couldn't read your face Jake Having the power we have in having to make a decision like this. This is really tough. Like I think we're going to have to like all say something on three or something because. Or write it down. I want to ask this.

How much were you weighing games played? Well, you've seen it with Salvador Perez? It's a factor. Yeah. It's a factor, right? That means something. Yeah, but I mean, but the thing here is. Next month he's a little fat.

He's still got 590. to play it appearances, Muncie did. So it's not... Yeah, you're right. You're right. It's in the balance for sure, but it's not crazy. This is going to sound like, I'm going to sound like an asshole. Yes.

And I'm not. I promise you. He got hurt at the wrong time. Like, I feel like that almost has to be like... A knock? That sucks. I don't know if it can be a knock. I don't know.

I'm going to hurl. You know what I mean, dude. It was not his fault. I get it. They all have the three triples. I have to check one more thing. Dude, this is. I should have my pick.

I have my pick. Hold on. I don't have. I'm looking at the stats right now and it's brutal. I'm going to write my pick down. I'm going to write my pick down. Can I say something up front with the audience? Because I know daisies are a huge deal.

Yeah. I don't feel qualified to make this pick. But I got to. It's part of the gig. I do. don't I don't know why you feel that way. I wish you'd be more confident. I'm sick.

I'm nervous. I don't like it. I like, I'm not full of conviction. Can I say one thing? Say it all. I love my pick. I feel great about it.

Oh, I do too. Okay, hold on. Let me check one thing before I make my pick. Jimmy's going to check one more thing before he makes his pick. I like my pick a lot of them. I'll, instead of just silent podcasts for other people, Muncie,

36 homers, Freddie and Goldschmidt both with 31. I mean, 879 OPS for Goldie, 895 for Monty, 896 for Frederick. The numbers are spooky close. It's looking like an ice cream flavor situation. Which one do you like more? Are you doing wrong three?

Jimmy looks like he's crunching the numbers, which... I got my pick. You want to flip notes or something? Or say them all on three? I'll say mine on three. I'm in for that. Do you give us the count to three? You want me to count two, three or down from three?

Yes. Say on your mark it. Say one, two, three, go. And then after go, we'll say it. Okay. One, two, three, go. Goldschman. Goldie.

Okay. It's a sweet. It's a sweep. It's a sweep. It's a sweet. I told you I loved my pick. Love my pick. let them all in B-war, had the same amount of home runs as Freeman, Muncie clipped,

clipped them both in home runs. He had the third highest OPS, but a high OBP, a high batting average. The only guy out of the three that had a high batting average and high on base percentage, most stolen bases, defense is better. It's tough, it's still tough. I there's a couple things that separated him for me I love the 12 bags even though Freddie had eight no slouch there 12 bags had 12 bags and I think

honestly it was between him and munsey for me I don't think Freddy quite got to those guys level he's close but not quite there and then the determining factor then was he was playing at the end of the season and I know that sucks but this is a hard award to win and it just it matters I think. Even though it's not his fault, goal he took it. He put that team on his back to finish the year too.

Hey, more proof of the power of the daisy. Paul Goldschmidt, not an all-star this year. And you may remember his six-time all-star, four-time gold glove, four-time Silver Slugger. But you'll remember his Daisy, because in the second half, he two-one-dotted, 330-402-1-O-O-PS, in the final 70 games of the year to help bring the Cardinals into the playoffs.

Goldie. Yeah, when he gets going, he's like unstoppable. He's one of the guys you literally say, do not let him beat us today. And he beats you. And he still beats you, yeah. In Muncie, let's not forget how freaking good Muncie was. Muncie was incredible.

Yeah, he was also doing such weird shit. Goldie let him all on extra base hits, 69 pretty nice Moncy let him in hit by pitch Max Muncie's so good so good but Goldie congratulations congrats Goldie

I'm gonna come in and come out okay okay moving on NL second basement gets super funky we had to set some ground rules here basically to get a daisy out of position

you have to start 100 games or more at said position. So Trey Turner ended the years of second baseman, but he only started 49 games at second baseman. He's not eligible for a daisy. Cronan Worth also didn't start 100 games at second base. He roamed around like crazy. This is going to be hard to track during the season,

but we'll make parameters during the season. We track it as you go during the year. We did that. We did that. Yeah, it's pro-rated math pod. Massivant. We're good. So with Cronworth and Trey Turner not eligible to win a second base, Daisy, does that leave us with one guy? One guy, but also a mention, I think, of another guy. Two guys, I think.

Who are your two guys, Jake? Ozzy Albies and Jonathan India. I think that's what I'm talking. There's one worth of mention, but India is, I mean, I'll just say, India is not eclipsing Ozzie for me. I mean, Trev, aren't you a big weighted runs created plus guy? I can be. What if I told you Jonathan, India has a 122 and Ozzy has a 107?

I can, yeah, I see that. You can't base it all on one category. I'm not. I'm not. I just, uh... We can talk about Ozzie's 30 homers to Jonathan's 21. The runs are similar, 103 to 98. Look, India had a great year that you.

I just did a sequence video about him. Go check that out. 376 on base for India, 310 for Oz. Ozzy. I mean, I love I love me some little monster. You gals know that, but holy cow. I think it's, I think it's a, there's

an argument, but in the end, I don't think it's very worthy argument. I think Ozzy kind of just, he takes it. Why? Why? I think there's some defensive stuff there. Okay. I think the stolen bases

are, I mean, it's not bad for India. He's got 12 bags. Maybe probably could go higher if he played on a different team. I don't think the Reds were trying to steal a lot of bags. So can't really hold that against him, but Ozzy's got 20 there. Ozzy's got a beat in home runs, runs. Ribbies, but you know,

I think, I understand when you look at the slash line, you know, why there's a case for India. But I think overall, I'm taking Monster over India. As of right now, Jonathan India can turn into a

Marcus Simeon superstar guy, like very shortly. But as of right now, I'm taking Ozzie for 2021. It's closer than I thought in Jonathan Indy Award John Boy Media had to a press conference. The counting numbers do help Ozzy out. The slash line help India out. But, you know, I do, I still like counting numbers for awards like this when you're looking back, not forward, especially individual counting. individual counting numbers like home run and stolen base.

RBIs and runs are a bit you got to take advantage to the moment. You got to be on. But it's, they're a little more of a team stat or teammates stat than the individual ones. But I do like numbers. But India's got them in what average on base and OPS? And that's hard to

counter. It's tough. Make your case, Jake. It's tough. I, um, I can be pulled in half. I'm a monster. I'm a monster little monster fan. What Jonathan India did to win rookie of the year, and it's what, six less games? I don't know, man. Ozzy Albies is 24?

What is not? Yeah. Is he younger than Jonathan India? It would be hilarious. He turns 25 on January 7th. He's younger than Jonathan India. They're both 24 currently. That's baseball is a weird sport.

India's a month older. Jonathan. Oh, dude, that just broke my brain. Jonathan India did surpass him and B-war by a half of war. I think India has my vote. I think what's happening here

is that, you know, you see this at the Emmys a lot. Okay. Where, you know, the mainstay who's been around gets the award

over the newcomer because people are like, well, he'll probably have more chances later on. Like, that's why they gave Altuva MVP over judge because they're like, judge is going to win rookie of the year. He doesn't need MVP too. He'll probably get some in the future. Altuva's been putting in work. And he deserves this award for his like, you know, that's, you know, that comes into the mindset. So you kind of say, well, you got a rookie of the year. Like, you know, let Ozzie get this one because India might get some of the future. But he really outslashed him. And accounting numbers aren't that much different and B-Wore likes some more.

This is tough. I think I could be bribed here. I have a differentiator. Okay, what's a differentiator? Jonathan India has bold in one category. Gibby? He has a gibby. Oh, wow.

Jonathan India. And you like this one. You like this one a lot. led the league and hit by pitches with 23. That could have been 10 more hits. Pitchers were scared of them. Why they hit them?

Also is a lot more OBP. That's a lot more OBP. His first RBI ever hit by pitch, Jonathan India. Stuck his elbow right out over the plate. India. I'm still voting Albis,

but I would not be mad if you guys took India after going into the numbers more. Yeah, you admit it's close, right, Trev? Yes, I do. Especially after deep diving. It's so unexpected that it's this close. I'm voting India. He outslashed him by like a good amount. Like 376 on OBP to 310 and 835 OPS to 799.

Like come on, Ozzie, you got to know. you got to get to 800 there. I'm going India. Controversy. I don't know. Is this the first It's the first non-unanimous Daisy? We've been lockstep the whole way.

It's a nudge. It's a nud. I like it. I think that was a very, very close two seasons. We put NUD and like the size font that TM trademark is next to the Daisy NUD

NUD. Non-unanimous Daisy. I got it. What's next? It's going to be the longest episode ever. My back hurts. I've been in this chair for an hour before the show. All right. Shortstop.

Let's go quick then. Shortstop. Trade Turner. Trade Turner. As people throw their phones. What? We have to talk about it. We do. We have to talk about it.

Him and Tatis both got moved off the position. Trey Turner is still a good shortstop. I expect him back at shortstop. In the end, you know, Tatis has 42 home runs to Trey's 28. So that might look jarring. But Trey has 195 hits to his 135, counting numbers, blah, blah, blah.

more doubles. You get the slash line and Trey Turner higher batting average, higher on base percentage. Yeah, this is not a runaway. So hold on. I might rescind my

why did you tell me. I might. I might really comparing. I might be nutting a totally different direction. I think Brandon Crawford has a huge argument to be made. Holy smokes. Okay.

What's Crawford got going on? Crawford, five and a half F-war, 895 OPS, 298, 373, and he stayed at shortstop the whole year. Should count for something. That should count. He played the position. No, no, no, no, no, no.

Trey would have. Trey, that's, you can't knock Trey because the Dodgers traded for it and already had fucking Corey Seeger, bro. But could we knock Zanino? It wasn't his choice not to start. Zanino wanted to start every day. He wasn't a good enough hitter on his team to D.H like Sal was. But I guess that's because the rays were better than the Royals.

I don't know. We're not going backwards, people. We don't do that. We have talked a lot about this word of being about looking back. I'm a mess. Can we, what did we got throughout the year? It was Tatis in April. guys, I'm voting Tatees.

I'm voting voting Tautier. Turner had it in April. We took a break to clear up confusion so we could come out of the break on a unified front. BBD cut it all out. And I'm and then we came out of it and Jake through Crawford out and I pivoted to Tatees. I'm voting Tatees, dude. 42 fucking home runs. 11, 11% walk rate 975 OPS.

But he got moved off the position because he stinks at it. and I made a whole big point about how defense matters. I'm a fucking mess. I got no idea what to do. I don't want to like follow your lead now. I think I have to stay Turner after that speech, but. So is this in the hands of the voters? We'll put out a poll on Twitter or something.

People can't fucking decide this. They'll just vote Tatis because the public just sees home runs. We need, we need like, we're split. Like there's no, we need a decider. Who's our like baseball Like mecca Who's a Buster? Wait, who do you?

You on Crawford I might be on Crawford But is that your define I mean You might be on him Or who's your pick? Yes, I'm on him They didn't play shortstop

Games matter Games matter What we'll do is we'll take this clip Trey Turner played behind second base Which is basically shortstop So I have an idea I have an idea this episode is pre-recorded.

We take this clip. We cut it down. We email it to like a trusted five people. Like, like Rose. Moylan. I don't trust Peter. I don't trust Peter.

Okay. So it's like outside of the company. Hell on borderline on Rose. Yeah. Okay. So then outside the company. We'll send it to Buster to Passen. Uh,

Rosenthal? Who do you want to send it to? And say, can you, can you? Well, wait. What if they come back, split? It's our decision, James. We're not putting this out to anybody. Except for BBD.

Oh, boy. I think we make BBD choose. Babyday, do you have one? Like, do you, are you? I've pulled up each of their baseball references. I clicked, I said, ooh, it's him. And I clicked on the other one. I said, oh, no, it's him, actually.

And then I clicked on the other one. Oh, no, I think it's him. And the guy I did look at last was Trey Turner. Because, like, so I guess by that logic, I landed there. Well, here's my thing because Jake's argument is so great that Crawford stayed at short. But in our break that we cut out, we said the quantifier was 100 games started at the position. And I thought once we did that, then, like, You cleared away that other stuff.

But I like Jake's argument, which makes the how many games they start a position matter a whole lot more. I guess 100 gets you into the voting. It makes you eligible. If Crawford played a hundred and sixty- They're better than Crawford. If we played 162, we could talk.

You played 138 games, which is no, that's a good year, good healthy year, but it's not like he was there manning the position, 162 out of 162. I don't think Crawford is with Turner and Tantis in this discussion. Obviously, an amazing year. I love watching the guy play.

He's sexy. My friend Gabe. My best friend Gabe. We just talked about him a ton, but I just don't think. I'm sorry that he's in the discussion year. If you say they got to play 100 out of the position and then we're kind of just going away from that.

But it's still like, It can... Go wait. Should factor in that he did so much more there. That's just to be on the list. Hold on. Hold on. But I'm also changing my mind.

I'm talking to myself, kind of, because if we say that, that's fine. But that doesn't mean defense doesn't matter. It doesn't mean that you just stop thinking about it. Trey Turner's much better defensively. Yes. Then who? Tatsis. Tatis.

Yes. so makes me pivot to Trey a little bit I am gonna give this I am sticking with Trey Turner Brandon Crawford Totsis Brandon Crawford won the gold glove at shortstop this year Jacob has

Brandon Crawford's now I think it's just BBD has to pick between one of those three and you my friend are solely responsible for who gets Daisy on their page so I'm trying to do a quick last check on Trey Turner's like total games

and I think after all the discussion did he get 100 games at short after all the time? Yeah you got three with the Dodgers and 98 with Nats when I checked it.

The number I'm looking at is 96 games at short with the Nats, three with the Dodgers which would be 99 games. Time out. Wow. I'm trying really hard to double check. I mean, James, you gave me 100. I'm trying to.

trying really hard to double check it in a timely manner and make an educated decision here. I have three starts for the Dodgers. Oh, 98 total. 98 total. Wow. All right. I just don't. I know we set the parameter, but I don't like it for Trey Turner this year.

I think there's got to be an asterisk because he got he got moved. There will be a nud. I don't think so. I think, uh, I'm going Tatis still. I'm going Tatis then. After that development with Trey Turner. Trey Turner is eliminated.

So Trev. I mean, wait. Trev can re-v. Trev can revoke. I think I have my lien. Well, Trev's got an illegal vote currently on the board. So he can resubmit a legal vote. We might not need BPD after all of this.

Yeah. He was crucial in the process. You were crucial in the process. So I got Tatis, Jake Scott. You're staying with Crawford now. I'm staying with Bramette. We have to believe that Tautis is going to be a shortstop next year, but I really shouldn't factor it. No, that doesn't factor in.

No, that doesn't factor in. And let me, now that it's down to just the two of them. Judge Mullen's Tucker struck that off the record. I'm going to let me know with Brandon Crawford. That's where I was going to go once Trey was for sure not there. Tatee's... Wait, hold up. Yes.

Yeah. The defense really helps. defense really helps. I don't care about gold glove because those voters are shams unlike us. But man, some of the counting numbers, Tate's put up, it just feels silly. But the slash, if you go slash line, it's close enough that Crawford's defense wins it for him. So I think Jake wins out. And if it was, it was just like Tatee is like adequate shortstop, which you asked me, what I really think I think probably is. I don't know.

If Tatee played the full year. Good shortstop. Tatees didn't play the full year there. got moved off. If he was a B minus at short, I think it's Tatis's. But because he was one of the worst going up against one of the best, and the slash lines aren't that crazy.

I mean, Crawford out, averaged him out on base. Slugging was slugging OPS or dis. Okay. Crawford, it is. Wow. That was wild. No, nud. No, nod. Wow. Wait, you're giving it to Crawford now?

Yeah, because once, Yes. Trev, nutting. Okay. No. No. Tatis, look, I think at the shortstop, and I'm doing this for my brain. I don't know if this is like legal or not, but I'm weighing defense more heavily at certain positions than I do at other positions.

That's fair. I need a premium defender at shortstop. Fair. And that's what we're all doing. Everything matters here. It's not the silver slugger. Okay. I think we made a good decision then.

Trade Turner, I mean, Tray Turner missed by one game, are we serious? I think, did it end up being two games? He and he... Hold, that makes all the... It wasn't one. If he was eligible, I think I might have... I might have gone that way. Again, I guess my vote ended up not mattering, but...

But he, like, we know he's a good shortstop, so it would have been a discussion. That was wild. Okay. A wild ride. Okay. Does third base get easier? Looks like we have four options. Oh, okay.

I'm not hurl. The options on the border, Machado, Young Thick, Nolan Aronado and JT. I'm gonna throw it. I don't even know the history here. Let me go, let me go through the history of the,

the J.M. team. Brian got it after April. He moved him quickly off of the infield, though. Then Young Thick And then Justin Turner And then Machado Oh God And then I don't know who we gave it to

Do you have that thing up? Who is that? Austin again Okay so I think Youngthick's the only one to win it twice The final numbers here for these guys Games played It's all similar enough you don't care Same with played appearances, same with that bats

same with runs to be honest um young thick has the most hits he stands out of the four there doubles they're all good j t's got the fewest home runs is aranato has 34 austin raleigh has 33 machado 28 j t 27 rb i's um j t lacks the other three are the same I think there's a winner here. Let me get to the slash lines. Austin Riley, highest batting average, only one in the 300s. Austin Riley, highest on base. Austin Riley, highest slugging.

Austin Riley, highest OPS. Offensive numbers lean Austin Riley. For me right now, I don't know defensively. You know, I know some of those other guys can pick it. Aeronado just won his eighth platinum glove in a row. From all accounts, I mean, we're looking here at his fan graph page, and they're saying Austin was negative defensive.

But if you talk to Braves fans, they won't say that. So that's an interesting, you know, a little tidbit there. Like maybe, is that weighted in? Fan eye test? Yeah, I mean, I like that more than any analytic they currently have. I'm going to just, I'll throw it out there to get started. I'm going Austin Riley as my third base all John Boy Media National League. I second that motion.

He he led in B-War and Jake, you're thirding it. I'm thirding the motion. Congratulations to Young Cook, Austin Riley. He gets a daisy with three shaded petals. Answer the bell. We were talking about Jose Ramirez coming and snaking his job and he said, no, no, no, no. So what? You know, he proved me wrong.

That's great. his number's up to up to this point he had a six point something B war this year his career is five B war now so like the guy wasn't doing it he's doing it now congratulations young thick i thought about nutting with nolan but i think austin deserves it okay outfield is that where we're at yes this is interesting too well i think there's a couple locks i think Bryce harper we clap for and he's a daisy. I don't know how many pedals he's got shaded. I think a good amount.

I don't know if he went pole to pole, though. I'll look it up. No, in April, May, it was Castiano's Bryant Winker. Hmm. They didn't go pole to pole. I think we're only going to have one silver daisy. Yeah.

Through August, it was Harper, Soto, and Brian Reynolds. Tyler O'Neill and Castanos are back in the mix here when you look at the Soto's got to be consensus, right? Yes, congratulations. Or 65, OBP. He went like bonds, basically.

Yeah, a little bit of product of like, they had literally no one else on the team so that no one was pitching to him, but then you credit for Soto for taking his walks. Yeah. So then, I mean, unless you guys have others on other searches, is it Reynolds, O'Neill Castiano's. Is there anyone else?

Winker was in play for a little bit in this category, but didn't allow Trevor into his scooter gang. Yeah, Mookie is like, you know, on Fangrass going there, but not enough games. So he's not really in the discussion, I don't think. No, it's those, it's those guys. Yeah. And it might just be Reynolds, man, 159 games played.

He lacks in home runs. I don't know. Hold on. Eight triples. Significant. Tyler O'Neill. My thick king, Tyler O'Neill has a great argument. He has 34 home runs, 15 swipes, slugged 560 this year. That's a mamo year.

I'll say this, and I know Jim is reconsidering his thought, I do think in the outfield positions should be considered a little. little bit also games played. Brian Reynolds, 159 games played to Tyler O'Neils 138. And centerfielders just don't do this. We consider centerfielders kind of the same as other outfielders. They are not. Look around the league. Brian Reynolds had an incredible year. I'm taking him. I motion next year. It's center field. And then and two corner outfielders. I like that.

I do agree what Trevor said. Some positions you have to value defense more. Center field is one of those positions. So yes, I think I reevaluate. I see the errors in our way, my way. It's not just three outfielders. There's going to be one center fielder. And then it'll just be corner outfielers.

And we had a center fielder in Mullins this year in the Yale, so we're good. This is tough. I think they're pretty close, but I'll also go Reynolds. So we have Harper, Soto, Reynolds, I believe. Yeah. How did it get eight triples? That's a good question.

Weird bounces off that wall in Pittsburgh. Oh, we didn't do Catcher in the NL, but is that just Buster Posey? Oh, God. Wait. Well, Catcher's a whole different thing with games play. Yeah. Right. That doesn't, that's excluded from. but Buster really wasn't catching that much right

I think he was I think they wore him out down the stretch There was only one there's only one catcher qualified That's J2 real muto So I gotta take down the minimum PAs here one sack 106 games started at catcher is what I have So they why did I think that I know I know I'm probably thinking someone else

I think I think there's two people we can talk about right now I think you have to mention Will Smith and I think it's him and Buster Posi I think JT's just a tick behind both of them Yeah if it's if it's those guys I'm going Buster God Will Smith final answer 390 OBP 889 OPS for for Buster

Power's not there 100 and 120 hits more than Will Smith Yeah I'm gonna go Buster Might be decision fatigue setting in I'm going to go Buster I think he deserves it And I also think he needs it to complete His baseball reference page

He has every other one So if he doesn't have like a silver daisy Or a daisy excuse me That's incomplete I hate this for Will Smith Everyone But Trev God, are you right And you know what

How about this? This will make you guys feel better Will Smith He had 111 games started at Catcher So that's really not that much different The games played on our sheet I think was actually wrong Which that was the only thing making me No, it is right That's weird

Yeah, he played some games at first base, I think Yeah, but it's only The math doesn't add up Not to be a turkey math guy Are you seeing this BBD? It could also be pinch hits I think he entered late in a lot of games. Because, like, Kershawah uses Barnes.

I think when he comes out, he subs in. Okay. Buster. Buster, Buster. Sorry, Will Smith. I love you. He's close. Treves right.

You have to close off Buster's career with the, yeah. And even with a good amountless homers, I think Buster still had slugged him. Everything's fine as long as we agree we're setting a precedent. and if you retire before the final voting, it does give you a little nudge of like, let's be nice to this guy. You're right about that.

I want to retract my statement about Will Smith. He only played that one game, I believe, at first base, and he zued it. And you guys remember that? Yeah. So it was just late inning, like entrances,

maybe some pinch hits for that. Buster Posey, congrats. Really good stuff. We have to do a utility play? We have to do a starting pitcher. We did not do a reliever in the AL. No relievers. No relievers.

I'm fine with that. I'm fine with that. We're trying our best to... Although I hate starting pitchers. So this is kind of tough for me. It's true. But, dude, after hearing everyone talk about this topic from, from Ian Hap to Chris Rose, to Joe Torrey, to us.

They need to start having these starting pitchers be good again and go distance. And to do that, you got to kill some relievers. So that's what we have to do. I'll sacrifice them. Where are we at? Pitcher. This is this starting pitcher conversation suck? I think we've nutted like every year on this.

It's Wheeler, Bueller Scherzerzer. I mean, that Erica not putting Corbyn Burns on this sheet is just straight up rude as he has the high. highest F4 and that's been our unit of measurement. Well, not for pitchers. For every position. Including ale pitchers. I don't take that into account. I'm just saying for the sheet.

Oh, yeah, yeah. Literally how it's been filled out. And he has a great argument. James? Well, now I've got to go. I don't have Corbyn Burns on the sheet. So what's It's really good

He led the league in the RA with 28 starts 167 innings pitched So that's where he doesn't That's where he falls short Is it? Letting K's per 9 You know

I think looks like letting Homers per 9 Corbin Burns was our pitcher after August The ERA is very, very close to Bueller and Scherzer So it's he led the league but it's 243, and you got Scherzer 246 and 247. All three of those numbers are so close that they're the same for me.

And I would hope for everyone else. That's not close enough to like it. That just means they tied that category. Agreed. Yeah. His expected ERA was 201 compared to 289 for Scherzer and 308 for Bueller. It's tough to do that. But yeah.

I like it for pitchers. How many quality starts did Burns have? It's a good question. Probably a lot. I think I'm giving it to Corbyn Burns. Every single thing I look at. I don't know. I don't know if I am.

What am I missing here? Innings pitched. A couple of less starts. Scherzer has the same amount, like the same ERA. I mean, Scherzer's only got 12 more innings. Like Walker, I think, is a better argument than Scherzer. Or Wheeler has 213. Yeah, what Scherzer did down the stretch

before his last few games was they traded him in one, like what, the next 10 of his starts? Like I take that into account. My vote is officially for Corbyn Burns. I believe I've pulled up the quality start leaderboards. I don't know if I want to say it. I think Walker Bueller has the most by a lot. Yeah, he's got 27.

What does Burns have? Burns is 19. So Burns and Scherzer had very similar seasons. As far as like innings pitched, ERA quality starts. Very similar. We got to be a decision. We got to. I'm broken and biased.

So I'm in a tough spot. Walker Bueller was best friend of the pod this year. 16 wins. four losses. Holy shit. I know that people don't care about that, but that's still a crazy range. Yeah, I mean,

it might nut it. I'm going Walker. Here you go, Jakey, boy. Sack Wheeler, I just don't drink that. You're like wins and losses. Urias is 20 and 3. I know those, honestly, and I know

we're not trying to be one of those award shows. the LA pitchers, like, I don't know how to pick between them, which makes... Oh, they're splitting the vote for you. Which makes me want to go Corbyn. Innings pitched is something you can look at to help you split between Walker. You lent me that tip. Right, but I think Scher was better than him, and I think Corbin was slightly better than Scherzer. Just to...

Yeah, a rough September for, for Bueller. But he was pretty consistent for five months there. Corbyn Burns. Congratulations, Corbyn. You know what? We like both those guys. We've chatted with both of them. Congrats to Burnsy, the second nud of the award.

And also congrats to Trey Turner for winning the Utility Player Award. I would love that. Yeah, I mean, can we not even open up more options? Yes. Sorry, Chris Taylor. Go eat. I said, well, do we look at Chris Taylor, though? No.

No. Not Tritter's got to be better, right? The U-Till Award means you have to play two positions for however many times Trey Turner did it. It's not that many. It's only like 40 starts. Okay. We'll do better parameters later.

But there's going to be a D.H and then no util. Right. This is the one time. Yeah. It doesn't get an award at all. Yeah, I'm not giving out a U-Till award next year. He did get an award. You have to own a position because that's what we want to see moving forward.

I want to see guys. own positions. You don't want to see two-way guys? No, two-way is fine, but utility guys. Like, I don't want everyone to play everywhere. I agree with that. I think it's more entertaining when you're like, that's a shortstop. You play shortstop. We did it. We did it. As a slog to get through, but we did it. Congrats to all the days. What's that? You got to put the work in sometimes. In front of everybody. Sometimes you got to put the work in sometimes. A lot of daisies, only one silver.

Congrats. That's going to sway our voting so much next year when a guy is up, you know, he's been riding it. For like four months. You're like, because I think like Correa at points could or could or Bogarts like could have ridden it because they were even the whole time. And we just kept flip flopping. So we'll see how it. There were times during the year that that we said like maybe. Maybe the tie should go to the guy who's been owning it.

At least through that possibility out there during the recall. It's true. If anything, it's going to cause us to be more cautious. I mean, I'm happy that it was Vlad in the season that he had. They went pole to pole, not somebody that didn't really have a great season. So Vlad set the benchmark super high. Which is also what Jake will be after 10 o'clock tonight.

Oh, Cronpod. Go, but go. All right. All right. Hit the music. Let's get out of here. Thanks for tuning in everybody. Happy Thanksgiving. Yeah, yeah. Gobble, gobble, gobble, fat turkey. I am. I'm not here for living. I'm here for Thanksgiving. Gobble, gobble, gobble, fat turkey. I am. Jake sucks.