Talkin' Baseball (MLB Podcast) - 431 | Mets Sign Scherzer & Marte + Texas & Toronto Make BIG Moves

Episode Date: November 29, 2021

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Hello and welcome to talking baseball. Boy, oh boy, do we got a lot of things to cover. Shurzer. Record setting deal. Let's do it. Hello and welcome to talking baseball. Brought to you by Draft Kings. My name is Jimmy.

Sitting next to me is Jake. Out in California, we got Trevor Plouffe and behind the dish producer B, B, D. And we were about to go because it's a regularly scheduled time. And then the Mets said, here you go. We're on your time. So I appreciate you, Mets, giving us a hot first topic. Jake, how are you doing? James, Trevor, King, B, BD, everyone in the chat, all the turkeys and the moms happy.

Thanksgiving to y'all. How y'all doing? Happy Thyber Monday. A big deal going on at our store right now. And yeah, so we're doing a breaking episode right now, and that'll be followed by our regular episode and our, that's not true. We're doing one episode. But yeah, Uncle Steve, we were debating for about 15 minutes,

like, how much Scherzer do we talk? Because is it going to happen? And then it happened, man. Scherzer to Los Mets, most money ever. Trevor Plouffe, recreational baseball type money, if he got paid for that. And we got the whole band back together. Everyone in the studio, in their spots.

Trev, what's going on at Magnum Condom Studio, my man? This just feels right. The guys all together, the chat popping, baseball hot in the streets. This is what we do. This is like wheelhouse. Like throw me a four seamer, eight seamer, middle, middle. You're going to get it. So I'm happy to be here.

No engagement talk. in the open, okay? James, how are you doing? I'm good. I'm doing well. It's good to, I think it's been a month since I've been in the office. So I'm, uh, it's been a while, feel out of place. But it's good.

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You know what I'm talking about? You leave milk and cookies for Santa. Oh. That's not Santa's milk. Okay, whatever that. I mean, that's ridiculous. He's a fan of talking baseball. James O'Brien drinking nothing but breast milk.

Liquid gold, they call it. $130 million over three years. It's an AAV average annual value. Is that what that stands for? $46 million, which is that correct? I think so. Math pun. I just read it and then I forgot it's not in front of me.

But it... I don't think so. It's 40-something. What's the total again? 130 over 3? Yeah. It's 43. $43 million, which breaks the record set by Cole, which was 36.

So the Mets went out and got their guy. This is good. You know what? This is really all of this stuff, this flurry of signing. So on today's episode, we're going to talk about the Scherzer and all the other Mets moves. Then we're going to talk about the Rangers and all of their moves. And then we're going to do a flurry of other people that have signed. There's so much stuff that.

talk about that some of it is getting pushed to next episode, some trade, some extensions, some rumors. But that's the day. Mets, Rangers, and then a couple of their bullet point signings. But Treve, I kind of, before we get into Scherzer, I have a question for you. I was under the impression that we wouldn't get a lot of signings before the lockout, because they don't know what the CBA is going to. What do we got?

Passon says it's done 130 opt out after year two. So he can opt out? He can opt out. That's nice of them. Nice. In case someone wants to give him $50 million for year three. They might. Or two more years.

39-year-old getting 50 mil for one year? He'll be on the raise in three years. No, that's four. One year, $50 million. Erlander just got $50 million for one year. Well, two, but he can opt in. Yeah, that would be two years. So.

But if Scherzer is actually good, by that time, he could get one. Yeah, but say Verlander has like another Tommy John and he's just like, yeah, still on it. I mean, they get insurance on it. But there's a way that Burlander can get 50 mil for playing. He's got 39 for playing, whatever, not playing. Anyway, Trev, this is so weird to me. I'm happy that everyone's getting paid. But this whole vibe of everyone exchanging presence and players getting such big contracts and,

teams giving out big contracts right before the lockout, it feels like the teams and the GMs and the players are undermining the union and MLB because it's like, hey, we don't like each other. We're not getting along. We're going to say goodbye for a while. And then everyone else is like, let's take advantage of them saying goodbye. it feels like do we need to have a lockout every year to get players paid what their value is? I think you hit it a little bit.

I do think it should be viewed as like an optimistic thing that this is happening. There are some big signings and some big money. That's good for baseball. That's kind of what this whole thing is about. It's about money and years and control. and all that stuff. So I think it's a good sign. But I do think the players have a little bit of the leverage here.

I think if you're a team and you made some headway with a guy and you want that guy, you're saying, I don't want to have two months of silence and lose this momentum that we have. And that's, I think, why we're seeing some of these, this flurry of signings. And it's not even done. We're expected to get another big one coming soon too with Seeger. Well, and that's where I think, you know, it's a deadline. The deadline makes things move and both sides are motivated. If you're a team, especially, you know, we've seen a lot of these non-playoff teams from last

years making all the big splashes so far that, you know, if you're the Texas Rangers, this is your best chance. If you throw Marcus Simeon that extra year and he doesn't have to wait two, three months to figure out where he's going. I think Scherzer is in a different boat than that. I think Simeon, though, Gossman, like if you're getting the contract, you wanted, if not more, just take it and start

buy your spring training house, buy your house in Toronto, Gossman. You know, both sides are motivated to get a contract done. That's the best way to get a contract on. If only one side wants to get a contract done, that doesn't always work.

If neither side, it's really hard. It does seem like the hungry teams, The teams that no one expected are taking advantage of this. It seems like the teams, the Dodgers, the Yankees, the Red Sox, or I don't know if the Red Sox were spending big. I think what are some other teams that were like in the playoffs last year

that were expected to spend big? Giants are supposed to spend big if you said them, Dodgers, Yankees. Maybe they were waiting and they were like, everyone's going to wait. And the Rangers and the Blue Jays and now the Mets are like, nah, we're going to take advantage of that thought process. and it seems so weird to go into the lockout with like the nicest, most fun, positive offseason, which is good for the lockout, hopefully.

The biggest contract signed by a free agent going to another team to a playoff team is Graveman to the White Sox, 24 million over three years. I love that signing, by the way. I know we're not going to get into it. Excuse me. Matt's is over him. That's my bad. Cardinals, wild card that doesn't even count. But yeah, man, the teams, you know, we weren't sure how big the Mets were going to dance.

We weren't sure how big Texas was going to dance. And now, Detroit Erod, Scherzer, what a massive contract. I can't believe, I genuinely can't believe it. I will, if Mets fans want to drink my tears, I mean, I've just seen the Mets do this many times. Treve, you FaceTime me last night to give a little congrats on the enragement. And at the end, you and I both, it was right before the news started getting hot with the beat riders. And you said, like, sure, he's not going to the Mets, right? And we both were like, yeah.

Like, he's driving up the price. He's using Uncle Stevie to get the numbers up. So the Dodgers or the Giants or the Angels come with that big old money. And look at that, man. I mean, the New York Mets. I think that my friend, Jake Storelli, a guy hit the nail on the head with how this played out. And this is such speculation.

And it's kind of fun. It's kind of really fun speculation. So I don't know if I buy it, but I just love the idea of it. They were trying to use the Mets as a stalking horse. But Cohen was like, we're not going to allow that anymore. And we're going to change the narrative on who we are and we are going to spend big. And Jake tweeted this. So I'm stealing it from him.

But he said it. Max Scher is like a head representative of the players union. And if he turns down, the biggest offer made to him, that is not the message the union sends to their players. Like, think about this. He just raised the AAV. He just, like, raised the tides of all future free agencies. And now we're saying, yeah, like, you know, inflation, blah,

but they are going up because he said yes to this deal. And maybe Cohen and the Mets took advantage of that. Like, hey, he can't say no. Yeah. He preaches to every player, take the most money. It's better for the rest of the league. and maybe he was waiting there saying hoping the Dodgers would match or someone would come close.

But good job by the Mets. And this does change the narrative of what they thought Cohen was going to do. I think coming off the pandemic year, they had to like really regroup. And this is what they expected when he came in. Yeah, I mean, you have to give him credit. You have to give him credit. I've been on this show.

I've talked a lot of crap about Uncle Stevie. And some of the things he says and how he uses Twitter. but you open up that bag, that's the main thing. When he took over this team, fans were like, we're going to spend money. This is going to be different.

He's done it. He gave Lindor, 300 mil, 300, whatever, the hell million, a lot. A lot. Shurger this contract, not to mention the other guys they picked up, excellent signings. You can go and throw

big money all over the place, but if they're not supplemented, it doesn't mean anything, a la the Angels but when you go and get Eddie Escobar and you go and get Shatcana Shrapnel

Shrapnel sorry I'm getting better okay and you go and get Starling Marte like they're making their team really really good

and you have to give credit when credit is dude I agree with you on the Shurzer take that he needs to go and get that high AV and set the market you know he is

he is high up in the players union and that is preached. Let's go get the money. You're kind of going against a religion if he doesn't take the highest offer. I think there's some other things that come into play nowadays with contracts, opt-outs, no trade clauses, those things are always valued a lot. So like some of the more creative contracts, you don't always have to go with the highest AAV if you can get, you know, the opt-out at the right time, whatever.

But I 100% agree with that. And do I think Uncle Stevie was like, hey, let's make that, offer because he's part of the union. Maybe that came into effect. I think it was more like Stevie's like, I got the deepest bag. Like, let me be the biggest baddest dude here and here you go. And if that's the case, Stevie and I can be friends. Okay. That's great. That's how you get on Trevor Plu's radar. Yeah, I forget if I said it here, Or Wake and Jake, but with the Matt signing, and now it's the joke on the internet that's thank you to Stephen Matt's agent for letting this whole chaos start. It was, you know, there's things that control the narrative.

If you're a team, I truly believe winning solves everything. You can sweep all your problems under the rug. It's not a problem until you start losing. And for Cohen, when he tweeted out all that stuff about Stephen Matt's and his agent, he still had the power because, well, you could either be Mets and if you make a few small moves and you missed out on Stephen Mats, then everyone can shrug. Or you go and do what you did over this Thanksgiving break. And holy crap, man.

Do you think the opt-out has to do with DeGrom in any way? Like, DeGrom is on the Mets for the next two seasons, and now Scherzer is. So that's kind of a big window for the Mets, the next two years. I think DeGrom's, I believe it's a club option, according to Fangraphs, which means, you know, any handshake deal like, hey, if you guys bring DeGrom back for that third year, I won't opt out and we'll run it three times.

But if DeGrom leaves, I'm going to go chase a championship ring in like my 39 season. Because that's what we're looking at here is you got DeGrom and Scherzer in the same rotation for two years guaranteed. And now there's supplement. We talked about this. Doesn't DeGrom have an opt out after this year? It doesn't say so on Fangraphs.

It says that the club has an opt out. The club has an option in 2024. We need to chat in on this. I'm reading that he has an opt-out after this year, but. Yeah, I'm seeing player option for 2023. Fangraphs doesn't have that. Spotrack and baseball reference. It might be one of those funky Mets would have to commit two years.

If they decline, he can still take one. It could be that. Player opt-out. Spotrack, which is usually the best of this, says full player player opt out after 2022. Oh, that is huge leverage.

I think, yeah. I think, do you want me to be there with Max Scherzer who you're paying $43 million to? Do you want me to be here with him? Okay, guess what, Uncle Steve? Now it's my turn.

I think for Scherzer, you were all over. Oh, my God. I think, look at what Justin Verlander just signed coming off T.J. Yeah. If Scherzer is good, never mind best ERA of his career last year, never mind top three Sigh-Yung voting good. Like if Scherzer is still a form of Scherzer after these two years,

he can opt out and get another two years, three years. Like he's in control, man. Good for him. I'm so excited for Jacob de Grom. I just came to that realization that he has all of the leverage in the world. Who else do the Mets have in their rotation? Walker. I want Walker.

Cookie. Cookie Carasco. I said Taiwan already. They have... Who's the kid? Peterson. Peterson. McGill.

Do you think they get another like... Another guy that's available? Just to throw in just for safety? Cassie's on T-Jet. You're spending tons of money. Go get like Rodon or Cucci or, you know, someone that just... it can be a four or five and be there. I do think they supplement, yes.

You know, they have Trevor Williams, too. You could go get another starting pitcher. I wouldn't be surprised if they go bullpen because that's kind of what's tired out DeGrom. And I know, Treve, you were all on this because you want to see like, hey, where are we at with DeGrom's injury? Because that was a story and then it went away as the Mets went away. part of that was de Grom having to pitch in the seventh and eighth innings of games. If you can, in this Mets bullpen, which, you know, Edwin had a year, Trevor May,

Chris Rose rotation, John Boy Media, Seth Lugo, he was out for a little bit. If you can supplement that bullpen so you can pull Scherzer or DeGrom in the fifth or sixth inning game in July. Like, I think that might be your better bet on keeping those guys healthy throughout the year. I love it, man. This makes me happy. Well, this was good for every. Talk to ball with you guys. This is good for the Mets, good for the players, good for DeGrom, good for Mets fans.

It's you're going to give your official Twitter grade on this? 10 out of 10 for Scherzer. Yeah, I mean, I'd go 9-3 because I still, I don't think he wanted to be in the Mets. I think he wanted a California team to match. No? Well, it's still 9-7 then. It's good for him. And, man, we start, so we haven't even talked about the other Mets signings yet,

which, by the way, go look at their fan graphs, roster resource page. The Mets bench right now? J.D. Davis, Jeff McNeil, Dom Smith. Luis Guillaume, John Boy Media fan. And, you know, you could- Do you have Robinson Canoe on their team? What? Like, the Mets are deep.

Who knows what else they've got up their sleeve? If they get the DH, they've got guys for that. If they want to do another trade and move some bodies around, I'm this Mets team, man, they've got a ton of talent. They're kind of reminding me of like the way we talked about the White Sox last year. Like a lot of talent. What will they do with it? The first couple signings, Eddie Escobar.

He signed two years 20 mil, club option for a third year again. So the Mets are kind of setting their window here, which is how the luxury tax has been going, which makes you think, do the owners think that they're going to win that? And it's going to be the same three-year cycle where you have big two-year windows reset, big three-year window, whatever it is. But Eddie Escobar and then Kana, is it Kana or Kana? And I say that every time I say his name, then I ask.

They both signed-Kana. Trev's guys, Escobar and Kana? I know. They both signed two-year deals. And those were the types of contracts that I thought were going to, to happen before the lockout. Like, guys who are like, I just really need to lock something up. I don't want to go through Christmas, not on a team.

Just get me whatever the best is right now. Two years. Eddie Escobar, I like that. I mean, he can play a lot of positions. And offensively, he's been great of late. I don't think he's an expert in any positions. I don't think he's like a, I think he's the defense is. You can play.

No, he's very versatile. Yeah. And then, uh, switch hitter that helps with your, you know, platooning. Like, he's a great piece to have on your team. And then Starlin Marte, four-year deal. Which is, I like that because the D.H is going to be coming option. I don't know if he's going to stay at center field through all four years. He's 33 already, and that's a position that doesn't last.

So, but the Mets are just completely retooling. And they haven't made any trades yet. Like, they're going to have to trade some guys right now. What's their 40, man? I guess that's my question is. I guess the trade. the trades they would do would probably be to bolster farm system a little bit rather than trading farm depth for guys i think they've expressed a disinterest in depleting the farm

system they still need to build that up that was like their whole plan going into last year well stro's a free agent he's got the compensation no he doesn't though because he accepted and you can't get it off oh right he doesn't have that they gave it to conformo excuse me that's what i was thinking They only have 30 guys. They have room on their 40s. They have room on their 40s. So they don't have to make a trade to add Scherzer. I mean, excited for Jolly Olive, Jerry Blevins, Shea Station.

Kind of funny when they came on board. The Mets season started going downhill. Now they are like the sexiest team in ball. So happy for them. And yeah, man, Starling Marte, you know, he was one of the treats of this free agency. And again, don't compare center fielders to all outfielders. Go check out center fielder. and what Marte did last year.

Yeah, I mean, you know, 35, 36-year-old Starling Marte that could start looking a little different, but who cares? Enjoy it for a couple years. And yeah, I think it makes their whole team stronger because Nimmo's been playing a lot of center field and I think he'll probably be better in the corners. Cana Escobar, this team's got some flexibility.

They got, like, likable guys. This is, is this not your, not your dad's Mets? I like it. Let me tell you something. Their top prospect, Francisco Alvarez is a catcher. 510, 2.30.

This guy's made for this show. What's that supposed to mean? What's Kirk? Do you like the catchers that can rake? I don't know. I think Kirk's listed 5-7-265.

And you know if they're listing 5-10 on the prospect, you know, he's five-eight. He's a firm five-eight. If you're a catcher listed at 5-10. Fifth overall prospect in the game. Trade him for Louis Castillo.

Go nuts, Mets. Oh, my God. Let me try it for Louis Castile. You're a Yankees, idiot. Got me. Starlin Marte last year. You are, though. Yeah. You see his trade production that he texted me privately and I treated out.

That was horrible. Marte, I think, led all center fielder's in average. He was second in OBP. He was... First in baseball and steals? Had to be. Yeah, had to be. He was second or third in runs created plus,

tied for first and more. Him and Brian Reynolds were the two best centerfielers. You're right, center field is... People really got to start thinking of center field as a different position than outfielder because not a lot of guys can stick and play out there. So the Mets are the best. What does that do with our relationship with Mets fans?

Because I have like kind of a poor relationship with Mets fans. I feel like you guys sort of do too. Like are we? Uh, I don't know. Like, I think there was a guy in the chats saying that we were really sad about this when we're not. And I'm not. Look at us. We're thriving.

Not sad. It's pretty exciting. I think the thing I would say, and I think BPD said it best on Twitter last night. Like, you know, we make fun of the Yankees uncles a lot. This one, like, you know, things. that wouldn't happen on George Steinbrenner's watch, I think this. I mean, that's kind of been a sign of these new Yankees.

And then, you know, I'm shocked at the Dodgers, man. Like, they traded for this guy. I know, you know, Trey Turner was the bigger piece, but they traded for sure's or two. And, you know, the Giants were supposedly supposed to pry him away. I would love, we haven't heard that side of the story yet. Like, did they just keep playing chicken with the Mets? and they were like,

you're not going to sign with the freaking Mets. And then he did it. Yeah, I don't know. Especially because they lost Bauer the way they did last year and they're trying to sign him. Maybe the Metsches did not want to run that back. They wanted to get their guy. Scherzer and DeGrom.

I hope they stay healthy and they pitch all years the one too. I hope they interact a lot. Friends. Who is going to be their catcher? McCann. That's so far. Fun for him. And Nido.

Like, no one's happier than McCann right now. He loves it. He loves it. Gioito said nice stuff about him. People that love Catcher ERA. Two years from now are going to be love McCann. Man. Do you remember when Gilito gave McCann like an extra $20 million because he said nice things about him?

Yeah. Nice. That's awesome. By the way, I know we got to keep. That's why I never say nice things about you, Jake. Thank you. You and Jimmy and Jimmy. already planning on firing me.

I'm not involved in that. The NL. You made one of them. Hey, yeah, you're not. Actually, you made two of them. Ooh, shot at Trevor Ploof. I think the Canon Church has caught Scher's or before. 2014, they were still overlapping, I think.

Wow. Research department. Looks like that was when he debuted. Maybe, I don't know. Okay. NL East. Braves just won the World Series. Young and stacked.

Metz. Uncle Steve. Evie going for it. Miami Fish. The arms are there. Supposedly they're getting more bats. They already added one. We'll talk about that. Smart. Did I say the Phillies? The Nationals. Dumbrowski? He's supposed to empty the banquet. They're supposed to be in on everyone. This is supposed to be their go time, Bryce Harper. Honestly, if I'm the Nats, I'm stoked. Good time to rebuild. Let the riffraff figure itself out. We'll see you in two and a half years, Nationals. What do you do with him?

If you're the nationals, you have this golden child, but you have nothing around him in a very, very competitive division for the next five years. Build around him. Pay him for 12. Pay him for 12. He's so young, you build around him.

I heard I've been hearing silly numbers with him. Name one silly number. What's your silliest number? Two. Not a lot of humor to two. Seven's pretty silly. I think, I don't like seven. Seven get,

Yeah, it's like a joke number. Yeah, no. It's not lucky. No. Five, maybe. What? Five is a building block number. I think five is a very important number.

Well, five doesn't get it. I'm talking about the shape. And curves. Yeah, five angles got a right angle and then all of a sudden it's curves. Like, make up your mind. I don't know we're doing shapes. Seven gets silly when you have to cross it in the middle. It's like, come on.

No one crosses. No one crosses. That's such an old. That's like you lick your finger to turn a page. You cross a seven. The same person. If you do a curly. People cross seven?

Oh, in the middle. Yeah, people cross their Zs too. It's freaky. Crossing a Z feels foreign. That's creepy. All right. Next up, let's move on. Good job by the Mets.

They got a lot of guys. Four guys, tons of money committed. Good for baseball. Good for the Mets. Good for everyone. And we're moving on to the Rangers. Surprise team that took advantage of this deadline. Brought to you by dugout mugs.

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They said, do you think we care? You think that scares us? We'll spend $102 million like this. however many games we lose, double it. That's how much we'll spend next year in free agency. That's been their philosophy from the start. We just didn't even know it. First they pick up Marcus Simeon.

You're like, what? Wow. Didn't think that one was coming. And then Cole Calhoun sneaks in, cracks me up that he gets lumped in here because of one year deer for five million and compared everything else we're talking about, but they did go get him. And then John Gray for four years. year contract, $56 million.

So we'll start at the top because that's the biggest one. Simeon goes to the Rangers and you just have to clap as loud and as long as you can for Marcus Simeon for turning down. Didn't even get the qualifying offer from the A's. He didn't even get it, right? No, Jim, this will be your favorite part. The A's offered him a one year and we think it was like 12.5 mil. It was two and a half in the first.

year and then one million. We didn't know how much the A's were trying to just not win, not, not pay money and like trying to get guys to leave. Yeah. Like everyone thinks, oh, the A's are going to sell everyone now. They made up their minds last off season that this was the plan. They're like, but we won't let people onto us. So that was a joke offer that they knew we would say no deal.

But anyway, he took a bet on himself, contract, switched his position. gets third in the MVP votes and now gets $175 million deal after his pillow contractor bet on himself contract. It's got to be, I mean, I don't have the record books, but it's got to be one of the best bet on yourself contract, post contracts we've seen. And then the Rangers, which is odd. Where's he going to play?

Short, second. It's 31 years old. You're going to have him to his 38? Thoughts on that. Middle infielder? Is he going to the corners? You can do whatever you want because they're all versatile there. And I'm hearing, and I'm sure you guys have seen all the same stuff, that they might not be out on a Trevor story.

Or a Correa or a Seeger. Like, how fun would that be? I talked about it a little bit today with C-Rose. Kind of Philefa, wherever you want to put them. Seeger, probably at short to start. Simeon, wherever you want to put him. Put him at third. It doesn't matter.

Those three guys together in the infield will be really, really fun to watch. And like if you start signing guys like that, like, are they going to make me like the Rangers? Yeah. Simian. Dude, I like the Rangers right now because maybe I don't understand it, but they're paying money and they're trying to reward their fans and keep people coming and keep people excited. And they've done this every year and we've kind of mocked them because we just don't know their plan. like when they got Kluber and they got Lynn and that rotation with Minor and who else was it,

Ghiby. It didn't work. But they're just like, fuck it. Like they've never accepted the rebuild when everyone thought they should accept the rebuild. And now I applaud them for it. They've been kind of rebuilding though, right? Like retooling, whatever you want to call it.

By Trevor Pluth to camp and give him a real shot, you jerks. Yeah. Don't lie to me. Don't lie to Trevor. You lie to Trevor, you lie to me. unfollow you. Good for Marcus Simeon. I mean, that's, you talk about Scher coming close to a 10 out of 10 on my trade scale,

free agency scale. Simeon, yes. I mean, if you had told him the next year, you're going to go seven for 175. I mean, someone compared it to when DJ LaMahue hit free agency last year, same age. He got, what was it, six for a hundred? something like that. So Simeon goes nuclear on that. Awesome for him.

This is personally, I would leave him at second base. You saw how well it worked. He's 31. Keep him there. I think playing shortstop in second base is very different. If you don't believe that, go check out some Glaver Torres this year. And we'll see if they do make the other big move. I deep dove into the Texas Rangers

Because they used to be Jake's Texas Rangers People forget that Dallas Jake I forget I don't think that was ever Rexell Rex L sex sells I saw a couple games there Anyways

So I was like Okay so they're looking at another big piece I was like but half of their lineup still stinks What's going on They've got our guy Talking baseball favorite Josh Young The big third base prospect. He should be

nice neck. He should be up this year. So here's what you do. If you get another big bopper, cool, I don't think they do at shortstop third base. Could be wrong. I like kinder-fleff at short. He had a pretty solid year for a shortstop last year. Good for him, and he

was still young and figuring it out. He's 26. Plays good defense, slaps it around a little cool. Call up Josh Young. You sign another outfielder. You bring up Josh young, you have a lineup you kind of like. For me, they still need to focus on pitching, which they signed John Gray a couple steps later, which I like that, but he's currently your one.

It's Gray Dunning, Taylor Hearn, our guy, will be a stud. A.J. Alexi, who we saw a couple times this year, young Spencer Howard, the prospect they got in the Gibby trade. Spieho, they're calling him. Spieho. So you've got four young pitchers in that rotation. if one and a half of them pan out, that's kind of a win for young pitching.

So are you up in your score? You gave the Rangers a 4-8 out of 10 on the Simeon deal. Because they went a year further than everyone. They had to, to get them in-house. You give them a 4-8 for that? Gave Simeon a 9-5. Simeon got a 9-5. Simian did great.

The Rangers, Treve, if the move stop here, Are you picking the Rangers over the Astros? Are you picking them over the Mariners? Are you picking them over the Angels? I don't know. So they want to do more, which sounds awesome. And they've had the new stadium and COVID hit, and hopefully they're going to do a lot more.

If I'm them, grab another outfielder who's a bopper. Grab pitchers. Like take a chance on Rodon. Take a chance on someone. Because right now, Gray Dunning, Hearn, Alexi Howard, Hearn's a stud. They tried it for Dunning, so they like them. They believe in them.

Kirshah's coming. I mean, that's what I'm saying. Give me Kirshah and Rodan and I'll talk some Texas Rangers. Then one of the Dodgers do. Their 4.4 goes up to 6.9 for BBD. I don't know. I don't know if Kirschel's coming. He seems like a guy would want to stay his whole career in one uniform.

But I don't know, man. I think it's the same. The reason I say the Simeon deal is a slam dunk. He's probably number two on my list of guys who I trust with my money. Rios was my number one. I trust that guy with my money. I don't care. I know you're going to be, you're going to work for that.

And like, I love you. Simeon's maybe one B to Rios, one A. Model citizen, like works his ass off. I like guys that were bad and then got good. He was bad at shortstop and became a premium defender. well i've realized he didn't have to go to his right at all that's that helped a lot too but you know he worked at it he he is out there putting the time in you know 75% jokes and yeah i liked it too

chat minute my guy and me i was there for a little bit but he was probably bad back then he had a lot of ranging too much too much to us right um but yeah i just think you're getting a guy who's setting a culture for you. What's Rangers' culture? I was there. I don't know. He doesn't know. Simian creates the culture for you. How does this make you reflect on the Gallo

trade? I don't know. Who did they get? Nobody, right? Well, no, they got two minor leaguers that... I'm trying to remember. They got four total prospects, and I think two of them were around

the Yankees' top ten. according to whatever website you like. Okay. I don't know. I shouldn't say they got nobody. I just didn't know and I said that. And now I seem stupid. It was Duran who was shooting up some lists.

Trevor Hover. I have Duran as my... And Josh Smith was the big one. I have Duran as my 111 top prospect. Yeah, me too. Just outside of the top hunch. Yeah, but he had just... Didn't he have a great year?

He was the one that like... Just got the 111. Josh Smith was the big one, I believe. I think Duran's a higher thought of prospect, but they're prospects. We'll see who figures it out. I know Gallo's fallen out of favor with some people, but I would have liked him to get, like,

have gotten maybe a team-friendly extension if he would have taken that or something like that. Like having him in this rotation and this lineup would be awesome. I don't think Joe Gallo. He said he'll get another bat. He's a bat. I don't think Joey Gallo wants a team-friendly extension. I think that dude's trying to break the bank.

Yeah, I don't know his contract situation. When is he a free agent? After this year, right? Next year? Yeah, yeah. Yeah, one more year. So if he puts up another... I don't know what he demands.

What does he demand? If he puts up another four and a half war season, is that bigger than any other outfielder on the market? I would have liked him to stay in a Rangers' uniform. How about that? I'm a big fan of Gallo. Their lineup projection right now is still odd. You can see why they're still looking to go get another infielder.

So that's where, when I told you I did a deep dive, I mean, I looked at their roster resource. And the second half of their lineup right now is Jonaheim, Nick Solek, Billy McKinney, Kiner Filethe. So if you put Thickneck at third, that's a spot. You get me another outfielder. like then it becomes a six, seven deep lineup, depending what kind of year guys are having. So it sounds like they're going to keep supplementing it.

We'll see. And I'm just really interested to see where does it fall on the AL West, like standings. Like, do we think this team can sign enough guys to scare Houston? I don't know. They'd have to really make moves. Do we think they can see? Scares Seattle?

Yeah, with a couple. The Angels, yeah. So I'm interested to see what else happens. A's are out. Maybe. A's out. Well, just when you count the A's out. No kidding.

They'll probably make a run at the end of the year and sneak into the wild card. They'll be Texas in the playoffs. They'll beat Texas by two games. Yeah, they'll lose in the playoffs, but Billy Bean and Dave Force will be celebrated. Are you going to hit Gray up? I like those guys, actually.

As someone who moved from Dallas to Colorado to Denver, and now he's going Denver to Dallas, do you think that maybe you let him know? I'll let him know some of the spots. I mean, he knows Katie Trail Ice House by now, I'm sure. And hey, I'll give, so, you know, I was tough on Texas. I was a little tough on Texas for the Simian signing. They got a stud, but they'd overpaid compared to what everyone else would pay,

and that's how they got him to Texas. so I understand it. John Gray, man, I think this is my, I would tell any fan of any team, if I had told you John Gray signed for four years, 56 million, I think you'd be like, all right, let's go. Let's find out what you got, kid.

Good arm. Out of Colorado, yeah. Awesome, early settler name. John Gray. Yeah. John Gray, it's like a 14 mil a year. So we're talking about how the Rangers signed traded Gallo and now they're signing people

And they could have had Gallo for this year The Rockies didn't trade gray The Rockies should be banned They should Like if you were in a fantasy league They are If you were in a fantasy baseball league And a guy did what the Rockies did last season

You'd have a meeting And there would be a vote Is he taking this serious enough? because there's a lot of money at stake. And some people, like, he might lose the boat and get banned from the league. They didn't trade Story. They didn't trade Gray. So two guys, they could have got prospects for.

Instead, Gray made what, nine more starts that didn't matter at all. And now they lose him for nothing. Did they offer him the qualifying? Nope. They didn't offer him the qualifying. So they could have got, last year they could have got prospects back for him. This year, they could have got draft pick for him. and they did the same thing with story.

If it was a fantasy league, you would be going to the commissioner and saying, hey, this guy's not taking the league serious and he's kind of ruining the vibe. Can we have a vote to kick him out? I agree. And we were just there.

It's like a beautiful baseball town with a beautiful baseball park and you have cool uniforms. And like, there's a lot of nice things that you have except the way you run your team. Didn't they say they, want to trade anyone because they didn't want to mess it up. I'm their only hope at this point.

So when the Rockies want to bring me in, I will be ready, a special advisory role. And, yeah, if you guys want a little more salt in the wound, because I have a little, I have a little area on Rocky's Twitter. We have a good time. The Rockies front office said they were happy with their offer to Gray. Oh, fantastic. He's gone. All right, good offer.

Didn't get them. It's like, what are you doing, man? I think what matters is if Gray thought it was a good offer. Kind of, at the end of the day. You know? At the end of the day. Because I could offer you, you know, my hat for your shoe. But you may not think that's a good deal.

They are kind of the current version of the Texas Rangers. Like, it's almost like pick a direction. Like, okay, if you guys really want to do this and guess what? The NOS is stacked. Dodgers, Padres, now the Giants. Like, go and rebuild. You should have traded Gray. You should have traded Story.

Go trade Marquez. You get a King's ransom for him. Trade Charlie Blackman. Trade everyone, because what are you doing? Nothing. Nothing. How much do you think they'd have to pay Gray to go back to Colorado? Like, it would have to be so far over market value.

He's been there. He's seen it. He just not want to be. It was less than 14 million a year. Four for 70. They should trade Hermann Marquette. The Rocky should trade Hermann Marquez. He's got two years left.

Pretty cheap. But they've showed that... They don't know how to run their team. They don't care about making their team better. Like, oh, you want to give us some prospects for Hermann? We could have got those for Gray. What makes you think we'd want those? Click.

Do you guys remember when we were going to do profiles on all the ownership groups? Wow. And we decided not to do it. We were going to start with the Rockies. Yeah, went down a bad path fast. Yeah. Rockies are paying the Cardinals however much to have Nolan Aronado also. The trade they made is they're going to keep paying.

Rockies fans are not even getting, not having to pay a guy anymore. I'm not going to say this. but what I'm not going to say is don't go to the games. Dude, I'm looking at this. Oh, still go to the games to support the players. Trev.

That's what Stan told Marlins fans after they traded him. It was like, support from afar. Watch on TV. He didn't say to watch on TV. He said support. He said support from afar. Go to a bar and watch.

Go to the game, but don't buy concessions. Bring your up. That'll turn them. Also, don't park. Okay. Just go to the game, cheer for your players. Because Trev, that's, because that joy. Trademark cast.

That joy in your voice when you said, we were just out there, and it's awesome. There's the mountains and your mile high, and it's a beautiful field, so much green, including that outfield and that stuff they're selling. But that's why. That's why they don't care. Rockies make money. It's a good time. go sit in right field have some beers

but man you know what let them be that let them be the leisurely city where you just go and have a few beers and watch some good old baseball not on my watch you know me military Jake get on him you know who's probably a little upset who's that Antonio sends athella

oh they signed him to a five-year extension in 20 last year Yeah. Five-year extension and now like... So he'll get traded. They should trade him. They should trade Marquez. Okay, we weren't talking about the Rockies.

No. Come on, Rockies. Yeah, why are we talking about the Rockies? Because we need a vote to kick him out of the league. Three votes, four votes right here. Yeah. We've officially... BPD, would you vote to kick them out of the league?

The owners are costing me a job. Jake? My future job. So not a unanimous decision. When Jimmy Jr. fires you know, man. Nud. I can't wait for that day. You got the debacks.

Yeah. Someone tweeted that's a great daisy solution. And it was like really good. Or left it as a comment. I forget what it was. Daisies. Stay on schedule, James. What else do we got to talk about here?

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All right. We just got a chunk, just some bullet points here. Blue Jays, they grab right-handed pitcher. Kevin Gossman, five years, $110 million deal. That's a good get for the Blue Jays and also a great get for Gossman. Don't know what Jake gave him on his scale, but another guy who took the qualifying offer last year, which we were kind of shocked that he was even offered it by the Giants.

and then he he panned out crazily and now he gets 110 over five years after that so another really good bet on himself situation The Blue Jays though lost Simeon He's not coming back

And I don't know if this means They're going to be in on Ray anymore And that's the conversation I want to have But first just get your guys thoughts on Gossman to the Jays Trev You like it I do like it, and I made some people mad this morning.

C. Rose asked me if I was ready to have higher expectations for the J's than any other of the ALE's teams besides the Orioles. And I said, yeah, I have higher expectations for them right now than both the Red Sox and the Yankees. And I know they lost Simeon, and I know they lost Ray. But I think they have less holes right now than either of those teams. The rotation, if you really look at it, adding Galsman. I know you're losing the Cy Young winner in Ray, but you add him in there. You got Barrios locked up. You got Minoa who looks like a bona fide stud.

Ryu, Pearson, stripling, another dude, I forgot his name. But, I mean, they have some depth there. And I just like the team. I like the signing. I like everything that's going on. The window is here for the Js. and I think, you know, besides the money, I think Gossman kind of saw that.

I think he wants to go to a team that's going to compete and win. And, yeah, I love it. Both sides. Yeah, the Jake trade scale, both sides of this free agency trade scale, both sides got over eight out of ten. Gossman, this is kind of the range that he was expected to get and good for him. Man, again, you know, I know our Kelsey,

about a lot of people did, but, you know, this was a guy that was DFA'd a couple years ago, and now here he is, five for one, ten, man. Yeah, I mean, for the Blue Jays, that Young Corps is going to get a year older and, you know, supposedly a year better. They didn't have George Springer for a lot of last year. The rotation, Burrios, Gossmann, Ryu, Manoa, Ross Stripling right now in the five slot. interested to see what they do the rest of this free agency. Blue Jays fans get mad at me.

I think because I'm a Yankees fan. I get it. You guys have a ton of money. The Rogers Prince money. Cool. Love it. Love that for you. Love that for us.

I don't know if they're going to sign another big fish, big fish. That being said, I don't think they have to. Like what you're saying, Trev. This roster is nice, man. Jim, I think what you're eluded. I think they're probably out on Robbie Ray. I'd be shocked if they're not. If they are, I mean, they're your ALE's favorites.

But right now, that's my whole thing. Parts coming in, parts going out. It's like a diet. Calories in, calories out. Simeon, third in the MVP last year. He's gone. Official official. He's gone.

Robbie Ray, won the Cy Young. He's gone. Gossman's good. Let's see what he does next year, AL East. He's got some home run numbers that, while he was playing in San Francisco, the ballpark that doesn't give up a lot of homers, and, you know, National League West, he didn't give up a lot of homers. Toronto, wherever they play, those are home run parks.

So I'm not saying he's going to be bad. I would love Kevin Gossman. I thought he was going to end up on the Mets. Good for the Blue Jays. If they do another, if they have another like 80 million plus contract coming, like, whoa. Because I don't care if it's a pitch. or if it's Chris Taylor or wherever it is, like that adds a different dynamic to this Blue Jays team.

As of right now, I've got Simeon and Ray out, and I've got Gossman in, and I guess you could do a whole season of Burrio, some of Noah's older, et cetera, et cetera. But you need a little more, a little more juice in the ALE East, and they're probably going to get that. I don't know who it is yet, though. I'm looking at their team.

What about like a, not a quarter, Corey Seeger, but a Kyle Seeger. Do you think he can step in, like be third base for them? Vizio back to second, something like that. Like, I think they can make one more move to supplement their infield. They don't need any outfield help. You know, they got three studs. They need, and, you know, I don't know enough about espinal.

Santiago. I don't either. It's a cool name. Bullpen's good. They also signed Yemi Garc. Yeah. So Jordan Romano, Julian Maryweather,

who we like, those guys, you know, when they're on, they're on. I just like this team a lot. They fell short this year, 2021,

what, two games out, one game out or something like that. What about Chattisang, Chris Taylor, Bryant. Yeah. If they do,

like, then it's like, holy shit, watch out for the Blue Jays. I would just, they pay George Springer. I know. You guys got a,

ton of money. So do a lot of the owners. That's the, that's the secret. You know, I know Rew's going to come off the books in two years. You just paid betterios. Like at some point, do you got, hey, Blue Jays fans, you like Vlad? You want to re-sign him? Tay Oscar's been doing it for a few years. Bo Bichette. At some point, you're going to have to start paying these young guys, too, that, I mean, for every, every contract from now on, if you guys want Chris Bryant, say goodbye to a bow or Vlad is all I'm saying. Maybe. Depends on that's fine.

They know they can't keep all those guys. They know they can't keep all those guys. That's why their windows like now, now. Like when they can still supplement this roster. If you're paying all those guys, you can't supplement the roster. Their windows like now, like 2022, 2022, 2023, 2024. That's their window.

Yeah, I mean, they got a lot of those guys for a while. You know, they got Vladito through 2025, Bigio, same thing. Bichette, same thing. Through 2025. I didn't know the end date of that, but through 2025. It's a long time. Awesome.

This is super interesting to me for Robbie Ray, because Robbie Ray got offered the qualifying offer from the Blue Jays and turned it down. So what that means is there's a draft pick attached to him if he signs with another team. the if the blue jays were in on him and trying to bring him back there's no draft pick that they lose so their price would be higher and maybe opposing teams are trying to beat the blue jays price

but if the sense is that the blue jays aren't in on ray anymore and every team in on him is going to lose a draft pick which teams really covet and i think the threshold is if you give them more than 50 million you lose a first round competitive balance pick. So I think I read that if the Mets who were in on Gossmann, now they have Scherzer, so it's probably not even a thing anymore. But if they didn't get Scherzer, they were in on Gossman, they lost Gossman. If they wanted Ray, they'd have to give up their first round,

a 14th pick in the first round, which I don't think they would do for Robbie Ray. I'm wondering how much this changes Ray. outlook because now there's draft picks attached. And I was trying to find teams that just wouldn't care at all that might be in on him. Astros, White Sox, Yankees, Red Sox, like they all have, you know, bottom of the first round picks. But out of the teams that, you know, the Rangers, they'd be given up a pretty high pick. And their team that probably wants their draft picks a lot. nationals if they decided not to

and they wanted to go get pitching. Marlins, they're buying people. Twins if they wanted to go at it. Rockies made moves last year. So that's just an interesting wrinkle when Gossman went before Ray and to the Blue Jays. If the thought process is

the Blue Jays aren't going after Ray, that may lower Ray's AV a little. Treve? I, yeah, yeah. I don't know. I don't know. You're talking about the J's. If they bring Ray back, they don't lose a pick.

No. So you're saying like that's their offer to him could be higher than other teams. But what Jimmy's saying is that if this if this Gospin signing took the Jays out of Robbie Ray, a lot of rhyming stuff in here, then his number has gone down, potentially. Yeah. And the Jay's... I mean, all it takes is two teams to want them. You just need one team for leverage.

And it depends on the order. There was a report that the Mets weren't going to go to Ray, and I had heard it because of the draft. They didn't think it lined up with the draft. And Ray is a lot like Patrick Corbyn deal, where, you know, how much are you paying them and how many years are you giving them after one season? For me, I don't think that's a factor.

I mean, I think there's too many. any good big money teams that are still in on it. And, you know, I do turkey math here. There's not a lot of, there's a lot of good free agents left. But for a lot of the team needs, some of the big boys are going to be left out of the dance, especially if, like, the Texas Rangers are in the mix on guys. Detroit, Seattle. Like, right now the Dodgers, this is the Dodgers starting five rotation.

And, you know, there's some couple free agents and Bauer, blah, blah, blah. This is their starting five right now. Walker Bueller. Walker Bueller. Ureus. Gonsolin, Heaney, David Price. Do we think that's going to be their phone? Do we think that's, well, we'll see when he's back and healthy.

Like, do we think that's going to be their five going into the year? I don't think so. No. The San Francisco Giants, they were supposedly in on Scherzerzer. The Yankees were supposedly in on Verlanner. They were in on Verlanner. Like, there are still a lot of people at the dance looking for someone to match up with. And Robbie Ray, he just won the sigh.

He's got the most strikeouts of a starting pitcher through a thousand innings or whatever it is. Like, if you think, you know, five for 110, a team's going to talk themselves into Kevin Gossman, I've got the Robbie Ray price north of there. And, I mean, I don't think that first round. pick is going to be too deterrent. Because we know, like, the Yankees don't care too, too much about their first-round picks because they spend a lot internationally. Like, I think you can compartmentalize that, especially if you're getting someone who

when you sign him, you're telling yourself you're signing the defending Cy Youngwinner, not like, oh, Robbie Ray's had some ups and downs. Like, no, you're saying we got our dude. How many free agents do you think I've signed already? Um, like real signings? Well, I don't know what your definition. 25. 29.

Okay. That's a good amount. Yeah, it's a lot. Before Christmas, that's a lot. It's usually been very slow. Very slow. Huli's Chasin is on there, though. He signed for 1.2.

I like the value. Well, yeah, what about Manuel Pina? What'd you call me? Yep. Yeah, man. I mean, they're still, like, what's this? So let me bring up the starting pitching market real quick. If you guys don't mind.

Yeah, the big ones that haven't gone yet that, like, projected to get the highest, so we still got Correa, Seeger, Kirshaw Freeman, Bryant, Story, then bias. So of the pitchers. So of the pitchers, I mean, guys that you think can be impact, impact guys. Robbie Ray, Kirshaw Rodan, Strowman. I mean, after that, you're getting into, like, Grinky Tyler Anderson? Like, I'm just saying, like, there's a lot of big boy teams still looking to sign people, and there's not a lot of, like, high-end pitchers left.

So we'll see what that market looks like. The Luis Castillo market. Is that going to pick up? Will the fish try to trade in a young arm for some hitting or something like that? But high-end pitching, like we're... Old man crew out there. We're like... You want Lester?

Hap? Granky? Sex. Quato? Rich hair? It's so hard to require pitching through free agency, and that's, I mean, that's why the teams that can develop it... Dylan Bundy's out there? I'm always in the forefront of the league standings.

Can I put a little lead in your pencil, Jim? You know who's a free agent starting pitcher? Pineda. Kim from St. Louis. Yeah, he had back problems and they moved him to the bullpen. But his, I mean, I don't know if his numbers fell off. I think for like a long time, Quang Yun Kim's numbers for the Cardinals. I think Cardinals fans were like, it doesn't seem like that.

Like, you know, in 35 games as an MLB player, he's got 2970. the R.A. The National's got any good pitchers they want to get rid of? Strasbourg. Corbin. They're going to, I mean, if they can, they get rid of those guys in a heartbeat. Yeah, I don't know. We'll see. All right. That's everything. Is there anything else

on the list? I guess who else do we not? There's a lot of stuff we will circle back on during the weeks where there's no news. Avicale Garcia. Yeah, we should probably hit that. It's big money. I know the fish aren't the biggest market, but. So I have a question for you guys. guys. Yes.

This is probably a topic that's very people don't care about, but I am interested. The qualifying offer shit blows my mind. The Brewers didn't give Avicel Garcia a qualifying offer. If he was given a one-year 19-mill deal, do you think he accepts it? Or do you think he declines it, knowing he wants multiple years?

If he declines it, then does he get an offer over 50 mil? No, because there's a draft pick attached. No one's going to offer them. They're going to offer him 48, 49, 47. So if he could go back, you know, does he want the one year 19, the higher AAV and bet on himself and just stay with the brew crew? Or he probably not. Once you hit 30, you want, you're looking for that.

That qualifying offer changes so much. Like he wouldn't get over 50 million if he got the qualifying. He'd decline it. And then he'd probably take a three year 40 to get the AAV a little higher. But that qualifying offer holds so much weight. And it goes into so much. I don't think he would have got this if he got the qualifying offer and declined it. So not that that matters, but it's just my brain likes looking at those wrinkles.

Okay. I mean, Rodon, you know, he didn't get the qualifying offer, too. That's going to be an interesting one. But, yeah, Avicale Garcia, I like him. I talked about it on the Chris Rose rotation, free agency draft we did. Just a really skilled ball player. and I think Miami's got to be good vibes for him. I mean, hey, no state income tax, fun crew down there.

Miggy Roe, he can move around the outfield. If NLDH comes in, maybe the fourth, third and fourth year of this contract, I just hope this is their second biggest move. Because I think Avi, he's going to produce for you in different ways. But I don't think he has the high, like, if he has his best of his best year, I don't see him cracking like a top 10 MVP. Like if everything clicked for him. And I think the Marlins need that.

So that's why I've been on a big, I'd love for Castellanos to sign there, give him the years. Like if Avicales, their second biggest or third biggest move to bolster their lineup, then I like it. If we're doing TPPs in a couple months and we're like, well, they added Avicale and a couple other guys around the field, then it's, again, think about what we just talked about in the NLL. least like what what are you really pushing for if if he's your biggest offensive signing when did avicale sign his contract avie so yesterday it's a cool name yeah i guess yes yeah he was interesting because if you look you know you're saying okay the braves are really good they're going to be good for a while um you look now at the met's and

you say they're going to be pretty good. Like they have a really good team. So if you're the Marlins, you got to somehow jump those two teams. Like, do you think they pause now? Like maybe they had maybe they wanted to go out and get somebody else like a Castellanos or they wanted to make some different moves. But do you pause now? I know you have the young pitching.

But I'm just curious. And I want them to go after it. I want them to be competitive because we saw what happened, you know, with the Giants this year. They weren't supposed to do anything. There was two teams ahead of them, and look what they did, and won 107 games. So I'm just curious to see if that has changed their mind.

Now that Scherzer is there, they've made those big moves. Does that change Jets and Kim Heng's mind about where they're headed? I would hope not. You know, otherwise it's not really in the competitive nature of it. They just extended Alcantra. Yeah. Trevor Rogers, Pablo Lopez, Lazzardo, 6tho Sanchez, Max Meyer, like, they have this pitching window.

They have this young pitching window coming up that they, you know, their eggs are in that basket that, you know, the other, what I would watch out for, Trev, is that, you know, we haven't hit the second part of the true second part of free agency where we see guys like Eddie Rosario and Soler, guys that are going to be on one, two-year deals. if I'm the Marlins, you know, if you're missing on Castellanos and some of the big fish, then go get three, four guys to try to beef out this team that, you know,

if you do need to trade them, if you can't jump the Mets, if you can't jump the Braves, then it's easy to get rid of them instead of a big old contract. Yeah. We should probably wrap up here because Fein San just tweeted two executives believes Corey Seeger will sign today. And Javier will get done before the end of the day as well. Oh, boy. So it might be back with a surprise episode.

And there's other stuff that we have to cover that happened that, you know, we just don't have time to do today. But we will cover everything else, trades and other shit that's gone down. And there's going to be more. So we'll probably be back. If nothing happens before Wednesday at noon, that's the next scheduled show. Otherwise, we'll maybe have to pick them up wherever we are and react. if there's some more stuff tonight or tomorrow morning

or we'll figure it out. Seeger's going to go to the Rangers. Think so? You're feeling that? Yeah. God, I would like that. Because after looking at their roster, I did a deep dive just like you, Jake.

I looked at their roster. And they can't stop. They can't, that can't be it. Because then it, then it's just. Who's going to pitch for them, though? He needs some pitch. Well, then they go, well, then they go get Cucci, Rodon,

and like that crew and just say, here we go. If they go get Seeger, James, then they got to really go. Then they got to Kershaw. Go get Kershaw. I think stepping onto a treadmill that's already on level 7. Like, get your legs ready. Get Kershaw, Rodon, and then get fillin hitters and hope thickneck young is the answer. Yeah, I got.

I think they're going to get Seeger. Do it, Texas. Do it. Everything's bigger. Be the new angels, Texas. Be the new angels. Wow. But you already are?

I don't know. Kind of worse. That's a bea. Oh, man. Awesome. Oh. Just if anyone's interested, Trevor May's going live on J&B baseball at 2.

It's in 10 minutes. How about that? With Chris Rose. Buy a shirt, freaks. To go there. Or hit out to the park.