Talkin' Baseball (MLB Podcast) - 435 | Rosenthal's CBA Proposal + Wander & Buxton's Extensions

Episode Date: December 8, 2021

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Hello and welcome to talking baseball. Let's start discussing labor negotiations because it's a lockout. Hello and welcome to talking baseball. My name is Jimmy. Sitting next to me is Jake. We got Trevor in California and producer BBD behind the dish. It's brought to you by Draft Kings. And shout out to Mikey Retano who made our music, our intro, our intro, or inolude music.

Every now and then I just got to remember like, good job. It's awesome. I'll bobbing my head to it. Trev is back from his weekend. He looks like he's frozen or he's incredibly still. So I'm going to throw it to Jake first in hopes that. Okay, I think Trev's frozen. Jake, how are you doing?

Yes, Daddy, Trev, frozen right off the rip. Tough. Tough came back for the episode from a trip to Vegas, baby. Vegas and he's going to tell all at the end of this episode so tune in uh James BPD everyone in the chat everyone else let's go uh we are in the labor stuff our guy Kenny R Kenny Rose K Rose he just dropped a big article today talking about it talking about some of the issues uh and we needed daddy Trev because he's our player he's our John Boy Media Player rep as of right now.

Yes. I'm getting a FaceTime from him, which feels tough and not like a solution. Throw it to me. Throw it to me. That's ever worked. So that's where I'm at. I'm having a little coffee. Nice. And that's where I'm out. Jim, what about you? Yeah. I'm doing well, doing swell. Jake beat me in the Beigno tournament in the championship game. I was happy to get to the championship. I'm happy for Jake that he got there. Trevor is FaceTiming Jake looking for a solution. Yeah. Kenny, our friend at the athletic, Kenny, Rosenthal put out an article, kind of sectioning off items to be debated and negotiated in the CBA.

And then he kind of had some proposals that he thinks might work. And I love this stuff and I love run it by Trev and get in his opinion. So that's kind of the conversation we're going to have today. Unless we need to rearrange your order as we wait for Trev. What was his FaceTime update? Back to you, Jake. He said his internet just went out, which is basically the stuff. is an answer you could get.

He is going to look into some solutions, St. Lucian's. Otherwise, maybe we can have him call in. I mean, we do have a picture of him on the screen right now. So, BVD, if you can maybe coordinate with him a little bit. I'll tell you one thing. He has a new link, whatever he's. He has a new link if the internet works. One thing I know for sure.

Trevor Plouf was not Roman ready to do this podcast, almost. as limp as you could possibly come in to a show. And once he gets his internet sorted out, he should definitely go to get Roman.com slash talking today. Trev, once your internet's back, get roman.com slash talking and talk to someone about your problems. 52% of men between the ages 40 and 70 will experience some form of ED. And Trev is the closest member of this podcast. to the age 40.

So odds are against him. Not great at all. But it's fine. It happens to more than half of the people. And if Trevor wants to reconnect with his partner and rediscover the joy of sex, all he has to do is go to get roman.com slash talking. And maybe that's how we need to address it.

Like Trevor's pretty happy with his boner. He's got his kids. He's got his wife. But, you know, he very much enjoys having a stiffy. Mm-hmm. And if there's a day when he can't, which like you mentioned, close, rapidly approaching. Mm-hmm. Yeah.

He's rapidly approaching that big four-zero number that, you know, he would miss that. Yeah. He would miss getting a big, fat throbbing. So. Anyway, let's talk about some of the contract stuff. I guess we were going to do this at the tail end of the show. We'll wait to see if Trev joins. Yeah, maybe we'll check some boxes as we go.

As you guys know, we got caught. up in the pace of it all as all the news started flying in. Remember? I mean, what was that? A little over a week ago. Baseball news was flying in.

There were signings and trades basically every day, every hour, every minute. Every day? That some of it got passed behind. I know we got yelled at because these are two of the bigger fan bases. We got yelled at

by our rays and twins fans. Oh, yeah. Because Wander Franco. Listen, you don't want those two fan bases coming out. Oh, my God, my mentions have been a wreck. One, you got, you know, a lot of them. Decent amount of them, so nice. Just killing you so passive-aggressive.

The other, you have a small amount. So angsty. Hornets. Hornets. Just hornets. Rays are like a batch of hornets. Yeah. And then the twins are like, you know,

your neighbor who's like nosy and and kind of passive. I have a neighbor that's very passive aggressively nosy with me. And it's like, come on. Can I say something nice about raised fans? She came in and gave me like a gift for her baby, which was very nice. And she said, and you got some packages out here.

I know it's hard to get your packages in the house on time because when you come in and out of your garage. I don't even get it. Like, what? She also came and gave me a, garbage to show me how to recycle properly. I mean, I see that one. I don't even see the other one.

I think she was saying, stop leaving your packages out on your front door for so long. And how does she know we go in and out the garage? She's spying on us. I mean, she's spying on you. I see that part of it. But yeah, I mean, that's... Nosey.

A little nosy. Yeah. A little nosy. Ray's fans, which I know, again, most people listening to this. I'll say this. I think Ray's fans, Trevor, Cloof is back.

Why were you guys talking about my boners? I heard that. No, dude, you misheard that. I didn't say no. I just said you limped in this episode and you should probably go to get roman.com slash talking to talk about it. My boners are fine. I get what you're saying though.

When I do turn 40, what if my boners go away? You're basically there too. I'm basically there. Let's skip the raise talk. If your penis stopped working, you would want it to work. Let's skip the raise talk. It's back on hold. on the table. Ray's fans, I get why you're Hornets. I would be too. Oh, yeah, me too.

So, like, it's not a bad thing. What the fuck? Someone just opened my door. I think a ghost did. A ghost is also in... Trevor Plouffe, internet and ghosts. Ghost or a go for. Trev, can we go over some of this labor pot stuff? So sorry, twins fans. Sorry, twins and Ray's fans. Back on the shelf. They're both fine people. The Adam Fraser trade, too, at the end of next episode sometime. Rosenthal put out this article.

There are some things that are interesting. We have it kind of broken down here. There's a high concept that I think is interesting that I talked to Jake about afterwards. I don't know if that should be a start or not a start, but I am going to start there. Trev. Some of Rosenthal's article is talking about how, you know how they always try to divide the players and, you know, divide and conquer the ranks of the players or, you know, in any negotiation. You want the other side to be split.

kind of alluding to the fact that the owners should really be split here. A lot of what the union is advocating for would help out the teams that spend their money on the product. And instead, we're incentivizing the teams who don't spend currently. Like you're getting rewarded for not spending and there's no punishment for not spending. So that concept of hopefully like the owner's group can be a little divided And the guys that own teams and want to win and like want to spend on their business to do better Like should be allowed to So I'm interested there because one concept is one thing he talked about

Is how the Marlins the rays and the Orioles There's currently a grievance filed by the union saying that they tanked They didn't meet the CBA that they had to try and better their team before the 18 season and 19 season and part of it is they're getting money from all the other teams. If they go over the tax, they're getting money there. There's a lot of revenue sharing ways. So in theory, a lot of the teams that are spending a bunch are giving money to those lower teams. And they're not using it to better their team.

They're just pocketing it. So Rosenthal's saying he thinks secretly the big spending teams are hoping that that grievance might be won by the union. because if the Yankees are given, if the Yankees and Dodgers are given the tigers or the pirates and the Orioles money and they're just pocketing it and not putting it back into their team, like, then what's the point?

And I, that's the first time I really had that laid out for me that way, which I kind of opened my eyes to and let's split them up. Yeah, I mean, what he's talking about there is the revenue sharing. And there's, it's vague language, essentially. You're supposed to be used. that money to better your team.

Now bettering your team, you can say doesn't mean spending money. You know, you could be bettering your team just with any different players or whatever it can be. I mean, I think a lot of the things we'll be talking about as we turn back into a labor pod is the vague language or the gray areas that each side tries to take advantage of. The owners have done an excellent job of doing that. You do negotiate these things in good faith. So it's not how you're supposed to really approach an agreement.

But, you know, that's kind of what it's turned into. And that's why we're at, we're at with the two sides, you know, very, it's very contentious between them. But yeah, the whole revenue sharing thing, I think that is, Manfred has been basically saying that's a non-starter. And for that reason, I think he, he thinks if there is a difference in revenue sharing, that it puts those smaller market teams at a bigger, disadvantage and that's what they don't want essentially that's what they're saying yeah spend that money spend that money yeah spend it on players that that's when you talk about the gray area and trev the line i really liked from you and you know this isn't to get some more vagus stories out of you but the line you said the other day was that the owners however the cba is drawn up

and done up, the owners then are figuring out how to manipulate. From the player's side, you go out and you play baseball. And there's a couple things like, hey, if I get a, if I've got another team option or something. But like, however the CBA gets drawn up, the owners then regroup and say, okay, so what's our best way to attack this, this, this, this, and this. And this is a clear one of those sections where, as Jimmy was alluding to, and as was Kenny, and our own David Cohn towing the slab podcast, go listen to it. By the way, Tom Glavin and David Cohn talking shop, not only are they talking pitching.

They were also CBA like vice presidents or whatever the term was, so they were in it in 94-95, so they have some awesome stuff on that. But, you know, if you can, like we always say that they try to kind of pit the players against each other, whether it's pitchers and hitters, whether it's big money, little money, and the players need to be united. Basically, they're saying you can kind of do that with the owners. You have an upper class and a lower class, and if you can get them focused on each other,

you know, it's basic war stuff. What was that war where they turned, they started, and you march backwards. McGillacuddy and the Huns. Yes, Miguel, Colley and Huns. Wow, good for you. Great job, Trev. I mean, Jake.

Great job, but you, Treve as well. Yeah, so that's Kenney's like, proposal here is just if the revenue money you get has to go back into payroll of players. And that's like it seems fair to me. Yeah. Or at least some of it. And I think that's what they do in the NBA. And the chat can tell me if I'm wrong.

I believe like they have to spend a certain amount of money each off season. And I don't know if that comes from revenue sharing or where that comes. I don't think they have a salary floor. Yeah. That's why I said it last episode after you left. That's why Roberto Perez got signed by the Pirates and Liles. Got signed by the Orioles? NBA kind of does have a floor, if I'm remembering correctly,

and BBD may be the expert on this, but they have a floor, but if you don't hit it, you still have to pay that money. So there's actually NBA teams that at the end of the year, they'll have like $5 million below the floor, but that just gets distributed to the rest of the players on the team. So I don't know.

So very interesting. So that is one of Rosenthal's proposals here, because the owners back in, before the 2021 season proposed a luxury, a floor. A floor of 100 million. But with it, they wanted the ceiling to be 180, which is nuts. The ceiling right now is 2.10. And it has not increased.

Basically, the union feels like they've lost out on four seasons, like four to six seasons of the luxury tax, quote unquote, ceiling increasing. And they're, they wanted to go higher. them to go low. It was kind of a nonsense offered by MLB. Because not only does the union want the luxury tax threshold to be higher, they want to make up for lost time. So they

don't want it to go from 210 to 220 next year. They're trying to get it to like 280 immediately or somewhere up high and then go up 5% every year. What MLB has said is no, we'll go up to like 2. There's a number. We'll go up to like 215 next

year or something around there. And then it will go up 1% each year. As far as what I read, countered. So, but Kenny is saying, if you do a floor, tax the guys who don't do it, like the NBA does, apparently. So if

the, you know, the pirates don't reach the 100 million, then the difference or some tax goes to the rest of the team. Well, it would be more interesting for baseball because in basketball, the end of the bench just doesn't get used. I mean, go,

if you're a sports fan and you want to laugh, go look at you, Donis Haslam's player page. He's been on the heat like forever, and he hasn't played it all the last five years, but he's just on the team. It's actually, it's like hysterical, but he's still a player in the NBA. But in baseball,

now that every roster spot has so much value, if you did implement something of that nature, you'd like to think teams, instead of just giving the players an extra five million, go get yourself a couple guys. And then if you want to flip them or, you know, you have to figure out some of the little rules and intricacies around it. But yeah, I like that.

The floor is out of the question for the players' union. Like, that'll never happen because they fundamentally believe that the floor will lead to a cap. And it makes sense. And you think a cap is out of the question, like even if it's like... Well, yeah. That's strike. That's strike stuff. The players will just never do it. It's a line in the sand, yeah.

Even if it made a ton of sense for them, they just never do it. Yeah. That's their, that's their. Well, that's. I do think there's a, there's a, I do think there's a way where a floor and, uh, and a ceiling would work. It would just have to be really high. It would be like, you know, say like next year's 300 million and that it increases by

5% every year. I know why you're saying the players never say yes to it just because of the leverage standpoint. But I think there is a middle ground where it does make sense. And every other league has it, which I know is the owner. not every other league, but a lot of leagues have it. And the owners look at that and they say, like, well, you guys are already getting more than other professional athletes. So we're going to take because other teams, other places have ceilings. Yeah, it just, it won't fly.

And to that point, you know, the owners, Rob Manfred said that. They already had, we already have an agreement that any other organization would love to have. Any other players union would love to have. but you know that's not true like the amount of time that baseball players are controlled which is basically probably the biggest issue that the union is facing right now

and wants to fix the amount of time that players are controlled is crazy and it's not like that in any other sport so that's just false I guess the thing that does get my brain spin and Trev I don't want this to seem as an attack at all because again I listen to Connie and Glavin the other day and they were in

the room doing all of that I mean, there is such a pride from the players' side on the no salary cap. I mean, you hear it instantly from everyone that is there nothing? Like, is there, because imagine how many MLB teams have a salary, you know, if they made a salary floor of $100 million and the salary cap of $300 million, I mean, wanted the gain there for the players be massive and it just becomes a pride thing? Or what, I guess what am I missing or not interpreting? Yeah, what I don't get before?

You want a free market. You want a free market. And if you start implementing floors and caps, there's going to be more teams headed towards that floor. Especially, you know, if we expand playoffs and stuff like that. You're not, just because you're raising the cap to X amount doesn't mean anything. It doesn't mean any. That doesn't mean teams are going to spend closer to that. Can I?

And I mean, Go ahead. On the, on this, I want to be delicate because I like the players. And I know they're like, no cap, no cap.

And Treve, you're always reminding us like, it's a luxury tax. It's not a cap. 25 teams look at it as a cap. It's a cap. Like, so the players are being like,

There's no, no cap, no cap. Meanwhile, it's almost like they have a hood over their eyes or whatever the saying is, because there's a cap. Like, you're just kind of kidding yourself in a way, screaming, we'll never have a cap, we'll never cap, but for 26 teams, there's been a salary cap in the MLB because that is how they view it. So to me, it's like, there's a cap. Like, you know, four teams don't consider it a cap.

And you guys just kind of saying, the players kind of saying, It's not a cap. And we'll never sign a cap when there kind of is one. It's like weird where I think that if you could go way higher and actually have one, you would be way better, but there's a dignity in not having it. But like, you know, from a majority of teams, there's a cap. It's not a cap. It's a soft cap that's created by the owners.

But it's, I think what's one of the, another one of the big points of the players association would be going after is trying to decrease the penalties, raise that luxury tax threshold. It's a competitive balance tax, right? Like that's the correct term. It was supposed to, it hasn't been that way. Yeah, they've treated it. They've essentially taken their wording and said, oh, let's just treat this like a cap. The penalties are too harsh. Let's just say that, you know, tell our fans that. So I think, you know, Ken in his article, and this is what a lot of people think should happen anyway. There should be less,

it should be raised. The competitive balance tax should be raised high, then continue incrementally increase every year. And the penalties for going over it should be, I mean, negligible. Like why? Like there shouldn't be that way.

And is that going to happen? No, it's not going to happen. Yeah. So, I mean, they want that. I don't think it's going to happen,

though. They love what they've done with that. And that's going to be a hard, sell to get them off of it. Yeah. And I guess the other thing that is, is exciting. You know, NBA, you get caught up in max contracts. I guess NFL doesn't have limits on the contracts. The bar just kind of gets raised every year, the next quarterback that's about to get paid and everything like that. You know, baseball does let you daydream. Like, say Otani does it for a couple years, pitching and hitting. Like, when you say free market, and I think a healthy show Hey Otani, like the number that

guy can command can be special and can make baseball different. So I guess everyone, we already are, but root for Shohei to just break the world. Number one hot boy. You talked about contract length and how long players are under control, Treve, which is great. Pivot to the next thought process that Rosenthal has here. And an interesting proposal and somewhat counterproposal by MLB that it supposedly has happened behind the scenes. And this interesting tidbits brought to you by Magic Spoon cereal,

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Right now they have control for six years, right? Six years, three, three, contract, three arbitration. What if you can. Secure service time. Service time, yeah. Five years. If after five years you're 30 or older. That is a proposal here that Rosenthal says that the union kind of said like,

you can't have service time be counted by just days on a roster because we're having just so much manipulation of keeping guys in the minor leagues when they're ready or bringing them up for one game and then down. Like Luis Heel, I think has made four or five major league starts and I think he only has three days of service time. Two because of COVID and then the others because they brought him up. He pitched. They sent him down.

So it's one day. And then, you know, if he was to stay on the team until his next start, he would get the full week. But he's useless to them. So they just send him down. And then that slows him down. I think if I'm reading the MLB, the baseball reference service time, Kanner ready is 15 days of service time. Same overall point.

Because at the end he was on there for it. I think he stayed on. And I know if you're like sent down. called up within 10 days. I think you get the service time for those 10 days. So the- The point that union is saying is like, that's like, don't count it by days.

Let's have some age-related free agency here. So guys can, you know, hit big when they're older, as long as you get five years. One less year. And then if he's 30, you get him. So I think even if a guy debuts at 26, you would get five years and he's out. The MLB countered by saying,

saying, let's just have guys locked to the team. If you want to do it by age, we'll do it by age. Guys will just be locked to a team until they're 29 and a half, meaning that Soto, who debuted at 19 years old, they would have control of him until he's 29 and a half. And he would never reach free agency, never hit the open market. And they'd never have to bid against someone to retain him. And he'd never make crazy money, which is just how the counters are going.

Like, oh, you think that's a good idea? Well, we'll use that and we'll put the most ridiculous thing out and send it to you. you. If you look like, you know, you, to Jake's point earlier, or maybe you made it, James, sorry, foggy a little bit from my Vegas trip, a lot of these points or these back and force are divisive for the teams and the owners. And whether that's by design by the union, I have no inside info if that's what they're going for. Obviously, you can make that assumption by just kind of looking and I think that is a I mean that's a great play we the players association is not going to get all the things they're asking for the owner's side is not going to get all the things they're

asking for but when you do start bringing up these topics that are divisive it it there creates some cracks and we've seen it with the players they the owners MLB has done that with the players I mean every single CBA they do that they talked about the international draft which was divisive for the players because you have the latin guys and uh guys coming over from the Asian countries, you know, that's a free market. They can sign with whoever they want, and they're not set it to the draft, so why would they want that? And then you have, you know, guys going from America saying, well,

we're set up to the draft. So that was like the thing that they did. Maybe we're the players associations taking a play out of the old owner's playbook and trying to be a little bit divisive. And I think it's a, it's a good strategy. Man, I'm going to sound biased here. Get the best players on the field, however you have to. I know obviously a lot of things in life come down to money,

especially when you're talking business, and then it becomes almost everything. It's just ridiculous, and I know every team has their examples of guys who are either in the minor leagues or kept in the minor leagues, and so you've got them on both ends of the spectrum now, and that's the part that sucks. We all know the Chris Bryant and Glaver Torres

and guys like that who are held back for 15 days, because honestly, it's fantastic business if you give me the first two rookie weeks of Chris Bryant's career or I get another year of his prime. That's obvious. The other side of it, and each team has their example of this, are guys like, well, I guess it's the age end of the spectrum. It's a guy like Luke Voigt, who didn't get his opportunity until he was 27, 28-ish. every team has those and baseball owners

like at the end of the day what do they care about their franchise is value like that's the biggest kind of asset they have and if the product on the field is as good as the product on the field can be that's what helps your asset

so that's where there has to be a win here where no matter what the situation is you get the best players on the field like if you have a minor league. Like, why wasn't Adley Rushman playing for the Orioles this year?

I bet he could have got some A-Bs. I bet it would have been nice. You know, like, there's, there just needs to be a solution there that gets all the best players on the field. And then the part that sucks for me, because I rarely get labeled the smartest man in the room, like we're talking about when that CBA comes out, the owner and the team's goal as a business is,

to figure out a way to manipulate it. So you mentioned all players hit free agency at 29 and a half, and it's like, well, did Soto just get fucked? So I hate that side of it. But both sides, and so I guess that's what I'm looking for. Where are both sides motivated? We know they're going to fight for money. Both sides at the end of the day should be motivated to get the best product on the field.

And they need to figure that out because, man, what are we doing? What other sports do you hear about them? like let's not play our young talented guy that's a joke well I also like it just pisses me off like I think I don't know if the union offered the five year but I think Kenny Rosenthal's

suggestion is pretty fair maybe the union doesn't like it because it's too fair but you get the first five years of his career but as soon as what's Kenny saying I mean I went over the article he's what's his point on three days I believe it's after five years, if you're 30 or older, you're a free agent. If after five years, you're still 28 years old, then it stays six years.

So I don't even know if the union would take the union would take that. MLB would not take that. But that's MLB, but for MLB to counter with that and say, no, you want to do age, we just get our guy until he's 29 and a half. They don't want to. This is what, I mean, I assume they're thinking. is they don't want to move off that six year number. And again, this is another divisive play essentially because as a franchise, especially the teams with lower payrolls, you know, you want to keep your guys as long as possible

because they're cost controlled. Now, if you had a five-year free agency period, instead of us talking about trades, you know, with one year left to go and like these guys already given five years to the team and then they trade them on a sixth year or before a six year now that would just move up the whole timeline and teams just don't want that they don't want they don't want you know after only having control of a guy for four years and getting four years out of them then having to think about trading him essentially right because big market teams would benefit from that because there's a player coming out a year more of his prime and now he's available to everyone we can go get him

I'm assuming that's what they're thinking. Split the owner group, like as best you can. They're trying. They're trying. Because why are all the big spending owners standing up? Because they all want to save money. Why are standing up for the guys who literally aren't bettering the sport or the product or, you know, in the end, like we've, we've chatted with owners before. And we've had like a lot of good talks.

And I'm not. I like the players, obviously, but I can see both sides on a lot of things. Sure. Why owners we've talked to are worried about baseball, some of them. And even like some teams in the higher ups are like, yeah, like we want it to grow. We want it to be better. They want expanded playoffs because they think that will drive more eyes to the sport. They want the DH because they would think it would drive more eyes to sport.

You know what will drive more eyes to the sport to not have cities or teams in big cities or teams at all. Better teams. Tanking. So why are we standing up and rallying around the worst of the group? The owners are a union. There needs to be, I mean, look, that's another issue. You know, the whole tanking and making sure teams try to be competitive is a whole

another issue we can talk about. But yeah, I mean, that's, I, without any knowledge of, I haven't really, even begun to dig around in the players association but without having any knowledge of that i mean it seems like that's been their play so far as let's throw a what's the saying you don't throw a wrench you throw something in the middle an axe in the middle i think i just throw a wrench in the works it's not what i was looking for but you guys know what i'm saying throw a monkey in a sack stop talking about boners man jake i said Unreal.

You didn't hear what we heard. What you said was nasty? What would arbitration look like if Juan Soto was under control for 10 years? What would he make in his ninth year of arbitration? He'd sit out a full season over one of them. I guess that's where it does get fun because, like, you know, we use Soto as the example of where you can get screwed by age. Like, what if it didn't in arbitration just kept going? going. So, you know, after, yeah, after year seven, Juan Soto's lined up to make, you know,

40 mil per year. If he has one bad year, then the team kind of says, okay, well, is Juan Soto going to be worth it? And then another team takes a chance on it. I don't know, it kind of gets, it gets a little fun and it would keep players in the same market. We do like that. That's something we, we semi are a fan of as long as you're getting paid properly. I don't know. It's, It'd be cool if these sides had fun and had cool solutions instead of like, let's beat them and trick them. Yeah. Yeah.

Ken does say that at the beginning of his article, he says, this is all about money. Don't let anybody fool you. And it's true. You know, you guys, obviously, yeah, I'm very pro player, but it is. This whole thing's about money. Yeah. It's about the distribution of the money.

Do you think going to a lottery system? I think it's small potatoes because it's not like the NBA or the NFL where the number one picks the guy. And if you're in the top 10, you're probably happy. You know, it's all crap shoot. Yeah. But even just in a small way, like, just do it. Maybe it'll make a tiny difference.

I don't think there's any harm in it. I wouldn't be upset. Every, like, just if they did a lottery, I don't think it solves the problems. So maybe that's why the union isn't like, you know, going to really ask big for that. Because you're still going to tank for a top five pick. So would want the best odds you can get. Yeah. that's what happens in the NBA.

They still tank. Yeah. Some teams would be happier to save on the signing bonus of the higher pick. In the NBA, do teams tank that, like, say, like, now you only have the bottom three teams tanking for that last spot? In the lottery, say it was the bottom seven teams? Would that mean that now you have eight teams tanking because they're tanking for that seven spot? Does that happen? NBA, I feel like it's just, like, it's pretty easy to be bad.

like you get bad pretty easily and they have juice the lottery that it almost feels I remember the first year they changed the lottery was the Knicks were the worst team in the league right and they made the odds to get the first pick were like what?

The worst team was 14.7% which was classic Nix. The bottom three teams are all even and then it scales from there. So kind of what you were alluding to, like if you're the fourth worst team, it almost feels as good as being the worst team. Like you almost don't care about how bad you are. And you might tank to get in the lottery, so then you have more teams tanking.

Yeah. So the lottery I don't care about. I guess if they expanded playoffs with it, then you're either in the expanded playoffs or you're in a lottery. Yeah. And then the other topic was expanded playoffs, and they're going to do that. I mean, we've heard We've heard from so many people They want 50% of the teams

In the postseason The owners too We've been told that It's brutal man Like I get I get it There's more money to be made More people get chances to play in the playoffs That's great

But if you watch the other leagues I mean that's what makes the NBA regular season Absolutely a mute point A moot point What is that? How do you say that word? Spelled weird How are you spelling? it. It's M-O-O-O-T, right?

I think it's like boot. Just moot point, whatever. It sounds weird. Anyways, the regular season in the NBA means absolutely nothing, and you're going to make that happen unless you do something crazy for the teams that win the division, which I don't even know what you could do. Season's too long

to make it worthless. I mean, in the 2020 year, it was only a 60-game season, but everyone made the playoffs. And like, if 30 of those 60, 40 of those 60 games mattered. You could tell. Yeah.

Yeah. That was the one time where it was okay to have extra teens because, as we've seen, like, the cream eventually rises. I mean, the cream will rise to the top through 162. It might not through 60 games. Two mice. Yeah. Do you guys like the expanded playoffs? I'm not a fan of it.

Yeah. I'm just accepting it. Yeah, we know that's... I'm going to fight it because it's happening. I won't say from in... Well, it is from inside the walls. Like, it's arguably the number one thing owners care about. Like, obviously, like, they care about money.

So again, that playoff money hits different. So they are so strongly motivated. And it's so funny as we compare things to the NBA and NFL, so do they. you know, whether it's just the pride of owning a sports team or whatever they're trying to do. But, yeah, other teams are very, the MLB is jealous of that. And it obviously strikes through an MLB purist heart because that's what's supposed to make it different. It's this, the longest regular season of the four major American sports,

that by the time that those season ends, you get kind of the true, the true champions or the true, you know, people that should be there at the end, battling it out. And, yeah, that's kind of, that's not necessarily what the other sports are about. And you all know it, like football had another wild card. Like, they had another game. They had another game and another wild card. So, yeah, man, it's, I guess, where you don't see.

it's not worth the fight. It's not worth us sitting in front of the mics and saying, you can't do this to our sport. Like, it's going to happen. It's my thing in where I've landed is just make those playoff spots mean something. Give them an advantage of the playoffs so that teams have something to aspire for. So you want to improve your team. So you want the three seat over the four seed so that you want the one over the two.

like make I know we dug into some of the leagues I know Jim's dug into some of the weird stuff because that's where he lives but what was there was one league you dug into where the five plays the four and then the three plays the winner of that while the two then they play a set one and the two play it's the big bash league cricket it's going on right now big bash cricket league yeah you've been yeah you need baseball back you've been watching very obscure sports a lot lately I think I'm in on cricket for life it's for life Crickets for Life. You're watching Ozzie Rules, right?

Or is that rugby? Oh, that was just a suggested breakdown. I didn't actually watch that. No, but cricket is the same exact watching experience as baseball. So I like it, like pace and play and time. And it comes on at off hours. Like it's 8 a.m. Or like midnight when I'm up with the baby.

I don't think it's any secret that that's also. the player's biggest bargaining chip is expanded playoffs. So like if they want, if they want some of the things that they are asking for to get done, like that is what they're going to have to give up. If I was in charge, I would say,

okay, let's talk, let's find a middle ground. Here are some things I want. We know you want to expand a playoffs. We'll get there. But also I'm going to ask for 154 game season. I want to take eight days away.

I wanted to save him for off days. I think it's going to make the team healthier. I think it's better for everyone around. I think that would be excellent for the sport. We don't need 162. I would take 140, but I think 154s, I think that used to be what the season was at, so it makes sense, and you know how baseball people are.

Have you gotten your Lord Various on yet? Have you got your little birds coming and chirping to you? I've tried to stay. I mean, I've talked to people, especially in Vegas, we just talked about it. But really going in and trying to get info and not yet. I guess so, and maybe I can help you in your little birds. John and I had a conversation with someone who's in the baseball world, and they kind of hinted that there could be real rule changes.

And I don't know if that's, that could be as dramatic. as DH and the NL, which, you know, on paper is a big thing. I guess us as baseball plans, we've been preparing that for a while. I guess I've been trying to picture, like, what else will really change in-game? And if that's, is it a negotiating chip for either side? I guess anything that you think doesn't have a side is the player side because they're just grabbing, grabbing any life preserver they can. That's why they held on to the DH and the NL or lack of.

Yeah, I was watching MLB Networks. I wanted to see what they were doing now that there's no baseball to talk about. And that was kind of a mistake by me because it was really bad. But also, I got some content from it. Tom Verducci is sitting on MLB Network saying that he thinks they need to have the pitch clock, which I'm not opposed to the pitch clock. I actually like the pitch clock. I played with it in the minor leagues for a little bit.

I don't think it interrupts the game. I think the pace is a little bit better, but he keeps saying, we need to get these games shorter. We need to get these games shorter. It's like, that is not the freaking problem, dude. A game being even 20 minutes shorter,

that's not it. I don't know why everyone's so caught up on that. The pace I can, the pace I can see, but wanting every single game. Pace is the problem. Yeah, no, I don't. Okay. I don't think it's the hours either.

I don't think it's the life. Yeah. And then they have TV timeouts that are fucking four minutes during the playoffs and whatever. It's like, come on. Yeah, I don't think it's the pace. You do think it's the pace.

I don't think it's the pace. I think it's the pace. I think it's the action. I think that there's just if you're not already a diehard fan, it is doing nothing to grab your attention. The gameplay. Like the highlights might

and the personalities might and if your team in your city is good. But like, I'm watching cricket right now and I don't care who's playing and I have no allegiance. But every pitch, something happens, basically. There's very rarely like what we have as a ball doesn't really exist in cricket, especially the shorter version

because it's a limited amount of pitches. So if the bowler throws the ball and the hitter doesn't get a run off it, It's called a dot ball, and that's a win for the pitcher because they have a limited amount of pitches to score on. So it's just a different vibe. It's like everything is either a clap or not a clap where you can throw two strikes, three balls, and then walk them, and then all that's for not. So like three true outcomes, I think is a decent strategy if you're coming to it from the I want to win game side. but if you're coming to it from I want to create a product that's entertaining side,

I think it's not good. Yeah. Oh, man. Where are we at with all of this? It's tough, man. This is a big CBA. This is a really, really big one because I think there will be some changes to some of the gameplay.

I don't know. I like the pitch clock. Pitch clock can come. I'm in on that. For sure. Because it's never a problem. Like it's the rare inning where he just slows down the game. Like a pitcher just slows down the game.

You know, I don't think there's many pitchers that are singular it. Like there's probably five that you can count. They're like, yeah, this guy's a slow pitcher. But there are pitchers that when they get in a jam, pick off, pick off, step off, step off, mound visit, step off, slow, slow, slow. And you're like, oh, my God. You are, bro? I love Yarpie. He had a new baby.

Congratulations. But he's such a slow pace pitcher. James, don't you think you're talking about how we're not doing ourselves any favors. If you're not already in it, baseball is doing nothing to grab your attention, essentially. On the gameplay side. I think they're doing good. I think they grew last year, but on the gameplay. Don't you think that has something to do with presentation of the game and how people, if you

go to a ballpark, you're going to have fun. Like, it's a great environment. You're having fun. It's a trip. It makes sense. But the product, when you're watching it on TV, I think there's so much room to improve it. And I think all the leagues are trying to find ways. You're seeing like the Nickelodeon games. You're seeing the dual cast.

You have the stat cast in baseball, whatever. I just think there's more there's more there. Now, I don't necessarily have the solution right now, but presenting the game. I mean, you could, you know what we do with content. You know, the way you edit and present it makes a huge difference. I think when we're putting on a baseball game right now and the announcers that we have and the way that it's shown to, you know, the fans is boring.

Some stations do a really good job. San Francisco does a good job. Nesson does a good job. Yes, Network does a good job. S&Y, L.A. replays are so important and there's some places that still

just don't show you what you just saw and there's still some announcers that don't explain to you what you just saw or why it was cool or why it was unique but like it

yes network any pitch and a lot of the other ones do this but obviously I watch the LIA games that is controversial and maybe the badder thought it was this and the umpire thought it was this yes network will show you the side camera, was it above or below his knee?

And then they'll show you the overhead camera. Was it on the plate or off the plate? And then they'll show you the, the straight on slow-mo. Every time, all three, boom, boom, boom. Viewer, you make up your mind. Was it correct or not correct? A lot of baseball, like, don't do that. And that's servicing the audience a ton.

It sucks what I'm like, I wish I could fucking see that again. There's two guys that think of it completely different. So that kills me. And then get the scorebugs off that are huge, the new Bally's scorebugs. It's just, dude, brutal. I won't watch a game because of that. I'll choose the other feed.

And if there's a game that has both the Bally scorebug, I'll search for another one. Same with hockey. I've been putting hockey on it because it's on ESPN Plus now. And I will, like, avoid that Bally's bottom line, like the plague. It's big. It's big. It's all to train the eye because eventually they're going to put in-game betting. lines on it.

So that's why they're doing it. They want us to get used to it, not care about it anymore. And then once betting's legal and whatever state your regional network is, it'll be like, you know, plus 100 if he strikes out and this at bat, bet now.

Shit like that. No. I'll place the bets. We're doing the work that MLB needs to be doing. I'm going to say it right now. Like we are bringing fans into baseball. We are doing that. We're making it fun for people.

We're making it engaging. Like, they need to do more of that. Or just have us run everything, I guess. That's the other solution. You want us to just run it for you guys? What do you call that? We're the head of baseball marketing. That doesn't make any sense.

But you know what I'm talking about. Do it else is fun and engaging? Mm-hmm. That thug-out mug I'm looking at in front of drink. Oh, my gosh. I have been drinking out of this dugout mug For weeks now I can't stop drinking out of it

We love dugout mugs You guys know they rode and doad with us Throughout the playoffs this year Dugout mugs I have the medal I've made it a signature It works hot and cold Yes and no The Woody is obviously the power play

You're in your man cave your woman cave What's it? She shed. Yeah. And you bust out the dugout mug, Wino. Oops.

Power plays only with dugout mugs. Code John boy. I think they're doing 30% off. So you can still get a deal on these bad boys. They're awesome. They're baseball company. We're baseball people. Trevor Ploof just told you,

we are the heads of marketing for, for, for, Baseball. Not MLB for baseball. Yeah, across the world. So go get yourself a dugout mug. I know a lot of you guys already have. If you having it the knob shot, talk about a perfect stocking stuffer. And, Treve, you know this. You're a holiday drinker. You know, you got the family over. You kind of, you know, you got the uncle yelling about who knows what. You bust out a couple of the knobbies. Everyone loosens up a little bit. Yeah. Yeah. I, yeah. I was loose in Vegas. Let me tell you something. The only thing going in my knob shot for the next week or so will be water. I think you could take shots of water.

Let's normalize shots of water. I'm not going to do that. That's such little water. Yeah, you're right. Like you need so much water at a single time. Dougombugs.com. I've never done that where I've taken like a placebo shot before, but I know people do.

Like, hey, bartender, give me four tequilos. and then one fill of water. Sounds like a Jake move. I am a placebo. Hmm. It's a good word. It is a fun word. You guys want to talk about Buxden and the Twins,

or do we just table it? We can talk a little bit about it. Are we done with the CBA? I mean, we'll get more into it, guys. Yeah. Yeah. I think we're going to, we're inching. games are not going to be lost

I firmly believe that love that what um when when you when you called Buxton and congratulated him him on his extension would you say

I didn't call him I sent him a DM no I mean I don't know dude the guy deserves it and I think it's very apparent that he wants to he wanted to be in Minnesota like he's continuously

said that and made that you know made them aware of that and here he is going to be in Minnesota I think this is a win-win. I've talked about this with Chris Rose already, but I think it's a win-win deal.

I think both sides kind of get what they want. You know, Buxton knows if he stays on the field and just is the player he is. He's got some really aggressive, like, contract accelerators. Like, he can hit some of these and make some really nice coin.

And for the twins, like, you know, they got him at a decent price. Like, you know, their, one thing is we need him on the field. But if he's on the field, they have a steal right now. And you don't come across players with the talent of Brian Bruckston very often. That's just the bottom line.

So got to stay healthy, Byron. But, you know, I think it's great for him, the city of Minnesota, because, you know, they, they love, I mean, everyone loves Buck there. Do you think that the incentives that he has, basically he gets like a million dollars if he gets first an MVP or is it like three million? I forget what it is. Do you, it's crazy amount of incentives. It's up to a hundred and something in incentives. That's if, like, I think if he wins the MVP, he gets, what, 8 mil? Yes.

Every year. Yeah. Do you think that should become somewhat normal, Trev? Don't take it away from the guaranteed salary. But why not? Like, if you're a team, only one guy could win the MVP. I'm George Steinbrenner. I'm walking into the clubhouse

and I'm saying, hey, just to let you know any of you fuckers win MVP this year, you get $5 million. Boom. That's great. Why would you not do that? I like a Yankee today. Yeah.

Because I'll tell you why, because they don't have to do that. I know. But I'd do it. This is a little bit different, you know, the contract, it's just because of his injury history. I mean, that's why he's getting these incentives.

They know the type of player he can be, but he has been, quote, unquote, injury prone. I'm not going to use that. Some of his stuff is freak. But, you know, it's just protection both sides. I mean, he gets the bag and the twins, you know, seven year, $100 million for a guy like that, it's not a lot of money.

It really isn't. What is that? A.A.V. 15? 7 and on 100. I think 15 AAV. I was looking at the incentive stuff for the sake of laying it out there 8 million for first place

and that's 1 million less for each spot below that So if he finishes in the top 5 At least 4 mil 6 through 10 That's amazing And he gets top 10 MVP bonus He's getting at least 3 million bucks And he also gets 500K For every plate appearance thing

Basically over 500 There's a couple increments Treve you This is just a great deal for the twins You pegged it, Man, I really think it's a good deal both ways because, you know, we always get caught up. You know, we've had a couple good one-year bets lately. And Trevor, I actually want to talk to you after the show about something I'm thinking about for a little waking Jake thing.

But Buxton, he was going to head into his free agent year and a lot could happen. Guess what? Byron Bucksie could play a buck 40 rack up a seven and a half war and he could a rate. the team over the coals slash properly get paid. Or if Buck Daddy has another injury and he plays 65 games, all these teams would have one year to them and two year to them and given to this. He gets 15 mil a year for 17 years no matter what. And if he performs like he can, then he will get paid to that level as well. So both sides, it's a win.

The fact that he's willing to stay in Minnesota, you know, not shots fire. at the state of Minnesota, but, you know, some people like warmer places and different things like that. He's happy there. And I think the biggest thing for me that I think allowed a lot of this to happen, which leads to kind of another line of questions that we've discussed on here before. But he really won that no trade clause, which I think is a sense of pride amongst players because, you know, I think if things go haywire in L.A. or in Minnesota in a couple years, and Bucks and the twins want to move on, you're still going to be. to find two or three suitors and you have the thumbs up.

It's kind of just a power play for for Buxton to say he has it, IMO. And I think on the twin side, that's part of what allowed them to sign Buxton. So again, on that front, I'm happy for both sides too. Happy guy. It's kind of like they sat down and negotiated a good deal. That's weird. Two motivated sides. Trying to kill each other.

Working together. Hey, but for real, Bucking. is you gotta be happy for him the guy's got kids you know yeah he's he's made money already but you know taking a little bit less guaranteed to give you i mean 100 million dollars a lot of money baby but i think he i think he really liked those incentives i feel like he he feels like he's gonna hit a lot of them you i don't think you're gonna be wrong about that either i like that yeah i love it do you want to talk about the raise go wander go.

Love to save the Adam Frazier talk. Love to save the Adam Frazier talk. Go save that. What, um... Table that one. Good job by the race, giving a wander a deal. I mean, um, are they going to trade them halfway through? Hmm.

Maybe. And then you say, ugh. If Ray's fans or whatever team they become and city they become, get to say he's going to be one of ours for 10 years. That's awesome. Maybe it'll be two-thirds through. Do you remember the video when you got called up? he was like at dinner

he was at like a restaurant didn't remember that it was like the team was out at the restaurant was out the manager told them it was pretty cool man I'm just happy for the guy it is

the front part of it's fun and now my head just started spinning to like you know in seven years is the rest of that contract going to be an absolute steal in seven years is that contract going to be bleh

uh I think you always summed it up best, Trev, what do you say, like, that's, when you're in that life-changing money range, like, there's kind of no wrong answer. Like, hey, maybe Wander Franco in seven years, we're saying, damn, he's the best player in in baseball, and he did leave X amount on the table, but he already got a lot on the table, so good for him. And kind of good for the race, unless they do trade him in, like, five or six years,

and depending how that contract's looking. or if they moved that franchise and they're like, look, we've got Wanda Frank got locked up. Yeah, it's definitely a move the franchise. I do think moving the franchise was involved here. I mean, that was another Florida team did that. To get a stadium, though. Yeah, and then to sell the team.

Yes. That's so good for John Carlo. Golly. Good for John Carlo, man. Give John Carlo the contract. I'll tell you what, Carl's Stan doesn't have a lot of bad days, and I'm happy for it on that. That's so funny, though.

Bench press and superlows. You on our team? We got this one of the best players in baseball locked up for 10 years. You want to give us a new stadium. Extremely backloaded, too. Okay. Extremely backlogged. We're not going to sell the team.

We're not going to sell the team. We're not going to sell the team. We're not going to sell the stadium. Because we got this guy. People are going to be coming to see him. Yankees, you looking to sign a free agent? TV deals coming. Oh, my gosh.

Yeah. What an all-time move. People talk a lot of crap about Jeffrey Loria, but I mean, it's kind of an all-time business move. Snakey. Amazing. Snakey. The fact that the contract is backloaded is like, just like that kind of, I guess they say the chef's kiss of it all. Can we end the show on a positive note? Yeah, what was that Vegas story you're dying to get off your chest? I don't really have a lot of Vegas stories, man. I played golf. I played poker. Kenny Lop. I mean, to just say this about what happened. Kenny Lofton had him. himself a weekend, or not a weekend, a couple days because it was a Monday and a Tuesday. He won the poker tournament.

Yep. And his team won the golf tournament. And he had closest to the pin. Wow. It was a Kenny Lofton weekend. He actually, I told him, I said, Kenny, I don't ever drop this football. I was carrying my football around. You guys don't know I am.

And that guy. That's such a funny sentence. Came up. Just calm down. Drop my football. I was carrying my football. my football around. You know how I am. Is that what you just said?

Yeah, sure did. Because everyone that missed in his pictures, you strip me. Kenny loft and forced fumble on you. And he goes, oh, you just said you didn't drop it. I said, Kenny, I thought I was amongst friends. You backstabbed me. Did he? But it was his weekend.

It was his weekend. He took over. He alphed that damn thing. Did he remember in 1990 spring training when he gave me a ball when he was on the Houston Astros? yeah he did he said guy looks the same a little bigger

dresses the same oh what I wanted to end the show on was Toby the Dodger dog about him all time story you saw it we posted something about it already but the Dodgers they did a great job

whoever's running the PR there they knew they screwed up they forgot to send him something similar to I still haven't sent he and half his wine make it right But Toby went on the field and was running around and was playing fetch on Dodger Stadium. They put him up in the press box. He's going back for Puppet at the Park Day. And we think Toby's trustworthy?

It's bark at the park. We rhyme here. We don't know all about Toby's backstory. We just know that he loves baseball and watches a lot of it. He did get a World Series already. So, like, Toby, like, chill out, stop trying to get so much. Who's Toby's? owner because maybe he's got a little

Jeff Lur in him. Toby's getting sold, do you think? Well, I don't know. He's selling them to the Dodgers. I mean, the owner got to go on the field and gets gift baskets. I don't know the story. What did the dog do? So they went viral.

They watched a lot of the games. The Dodgers took notice and said, hey, we'd like to send a package out. So they didn't ever send a package out. So the guy made a TikTok of Toby waiting for the present at the window. I'm going to make baby James. at this damn too man. And waiting and waiting.

And then people got mad at the Dodgers. Pissed. Piffed. So the Dodgers had to like really pull out all the stops for all Toby boy. But shout out Toby. I like dogs. When they get what they want, they're so happy and content.

People need to be more like dogs sometimes. Jake, you have that personality. That's what he's named after dog. The Arizona Diamondbacks are already trying to get baby James. They sent him some merch. I think another NL team sending him some merch. I think another NL team sending him some merch as well.

Thanks, snakes. Wow. And Trev, you and Olivia, sent a very nice basket. Wow. Thank you very much. He wore the ones that you guys sent last night. Very cool. Full circle.

Babies are the best. I'm going to go try to have a baby tonight. Jess and I got James Douglas a little stuffed puppy that I continually forget to bring to the office every day to get. Dude, I got you a present for your birthday. birthday and it's just like been delayed so now I figured it'd be an engagement present and I just emailed and I was like hey where is this and they're like oh I'll spoil it it's like a it's like a drawn picture of you jess and noodle and uh you look kind of not like you but in better way so I didn't

correct them I was like yeah that's what it looks like and then I emailed her and I was like hey I'm you never sent me the picture and she's like oh you just paid for the digital print You need to pay this to get it like canvassed and sent. So they get you. I think it's going to be small. That's a lot of money. So anyway, it's now birthday slash engagement present. You got them in an NFT.

You got them in NFT. Thank you. It's like a drawing of the three of you. Like a family portrait. It sounds very nice. What about me? You look better. What about Trevor?

You got to do something. You have a plaque. Yeah, I got you a plaque. I'm part of the family. I'm saying I should be in that picture. Oh. A nice point. Jake, Jess.

The plaque, Trev, you know, we got two of those plaques and one of them's on the wall here. I can't look so cool. Yeah, that's pretty cool. It's like a really nice plaque. You want to hear something shocking to me? Okay. There was a couple players in Vegas. I'll name him, Drew Stubbs.

Didn't even know I predicted the World Series correctly. Was he not on Twitter? What a guy? I said, Drew, what are you doing, bro? Yeah. I'm so famous now? How do you not know that? Yeah.

My internet cloud is crazy. It's going to be insane when you have to give your prediction on March 31st for the next season. You might get help by like, what? I'm already working on something for that. I have an idea. Draft Kings is going to give a boost. Because, like, I know the odds are really high that you're not going to get it again, but the odds were really high last time.

They're like, people will bet on it because there's going to be FOMO. Like you throw a dollar on it. You win someone. much money and if you hit it again and people didn't bet on it they're going to be pissed like you're like you know so it's like it's not like you're going to pick the like the so who are you going to go with i'm look it i'm going to pick and i'm it's like i'm picking and thinking i'm going to be wrong i'm trying to be right again i can't tell you that right now i have no idea who's going to be on what team i can't even look on mb.com to see who's on the roster that's right

make the hot boy list. I love it, man. I love that move. Can I just say that my hot boy list, people, the number one comments was Dan Sby. It was like, 70% of the comments were like, this list sucks. Because he got a ring now, so I get it. He's been on the list before. This thing changes frequently.

Like, if I look at him, I look at Dan's view right now, like he just got engaged. So he's kind of off the market. sex appeal it goes down for me I'm not trying to break up that marriage I just seen a lot of Dansby so when you get a lot of something you know it's a little too much because you you have that

you have that daddy section that like you know Dansby once he gets the second contract and he's married and maybe he's got a kid that brings him right back to the 5.14 oh hey we got to go oh but here's a picture of me from the 1940 me and Jessica

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