Talkin' Baseball (MLB Podcast) - 440 | Lockout Updates & Kyle Seager Retires

Episode Date: January 3, 2022

Go to https://under510.com/jomboy to get the best deals today Timestamps: 6:30 - Kyle Seager Retires 19:00 - Love of the Game 24:00 - Will We Miss Games? 37:45 - Jake's Padres 52:00 - Jimmy's History Lesson Presented by DraftKings Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Hello and welcome to talking baseball. We're back the first episode of 2020. Everyone's got a topic that they want to discuss in the baseball world. Let's do it. Hello, welcome. It's talking baseball. My name is Jimmy. His name is Jake.

He's sitting next to me. Trevor is over there in California. We got BBD in the corner. It's brought to you by Draft Kings. We kind of have an Oreo situation going on. me and Jake in black long sleeve Treve in a white hoodie so that's cool we've done it the first cool thing the show has done in the year 2022 congrats to us Trev how are you doing I am going to throw it to you first I haven't seen you in a while wow wow this is nice to go first James Jacob

big big dong chat what's up everybody 22 you're soft and I'll tell you what I enjoy Oreos Okay. I don't know if there's anybody that doesn't enjoy Orioles. I'll tell you how I take my Oreo, though. Only one cookie part. What? I split it, whichever half has like the least filling on it. See, you, gone.

Like, give it to somebody else. Oh, okay. I was so worried that you were going to say you ate the one without the filling. Oh, no, I mean, that's just ridiculous. I don't even know who would ever eat my discarded one side of the cookie, but sometimes I save him, I feel bad. You would? I'd eat it all, baby.

I hate it all. Next time I'd do it, which is just gonna be never because I don't put that in this temple. I'll save it for you, Big Dog. How you doing, Jakey boy? Fantastic. Fantastic.

Was up in Buffalo scouting the old Blue Jays facility for the New Year's. And yeah, I was lucky. Well, I shouldn't say lucky. I grew up in a house. Oreos weren't on the table. Ma wasn't bringing home Oreos. So I don't really naturally crave them.

But anytime I run into a box of Oreos, it's kind of like it's time. You run into it. Yeah. No, I mean, I do damage and that's obvious. But I really don't run into them a lot. So I've got a pretty good relationship with the Oreo. And then, you know, sometimes I forget about the milk. And when that comes into play, it's truly a special thing.

But like you're saying, I mean, 2022. bodies of temple, so I probably won't be running into any Oreos soon. We'll see. I'd just like to not eat gross. That's mine and Katie's new diet. Really? Really? Really?

Okay. Yeah, I'm kind of on that. What's gross? I'm trying to sleep a little more and drink more water. Drink more water, definitely. Right? Yeah. You don't need sleep.

I drink a lot of water. It's the one thing I do very well. I've been doing something pathetic. What's you been doing? I've been drinking the electrolyte drink a lot just because I haven't been drinking water and if you read the label

on that like that's not something you should be drinking No It's probably got a lot of sugars A lot of sugar and carbs yeah But that's because I haven't been drinking water So you thought if you put this magic elixir in you That it would make up for your lack of hydration Trying to keep this body hydrated Treve

High Octane athlete Well we'll have a lot of Awesome. Water's fantastic. Trevor's last episode of 22. James, how you doing, Big Dog? I'm doing well. I have a New Year's resolution tonight.

It's gross anymore. So that's great. We'll see how long that lasts. And that's about it in my life. I had a little vacation, so I didn't even get to watch a lot of cricket this weekend. I'm kind of, you know, we went phone down, cabin in the woods for our New Year's and anniversary weekend. So that was nice. Nice.

You want to tell him. I've been watching a lot of TV lately. Trev's celebrity name drops on us a lot. You want to tell him who you weren't hanging out with? Yeah, I was not hanging out with Jay-Z. That's true. Wasn't hanging out with Luda. I was not hanging out with pink nor Gwen.

I was saying you the house that you were near. I was near a house formerly owned by Swiss Beats. Whoops. Yeah. Wow. I walked my dogs to the driveway. Previous ownership. Yeah.

Yeah. Got a helicopter pad in the backyard. So? Swizzy. Company must be doing good. All right. Swizbee's in Alicia Keys' new house, though, is huge. Guys, big year for 2022.

James, I just have a question. I want one question. Before we start this show, we'll start talking some baseball. What does not eat gross mean? Like dessert after every meal, a lot of cookies, just so many baked goods. was her parents and my parents just like just have so many baked goods all the time. There's only one drive-thru in our lunch. A lunch you can't come back from.

Yeah, there's only one drive-thru in our town. And when you have a newborn baby in the back seat, and you can't go into a store or it's like just a hassle. And it's McDonald's. So, like, we just found ourselves there way too often. It wasn't that often. It wasn't like every day or like even like three times a week or twice a week. But it was like once a week we're having McDonald's like, we can't do this anymore.

But it was the only, it's the only, it's the only. only drive-through, which does make it tough when you have when we're on like paternity. Yeah, we'll talk baseball. Kyle Seeger? Kyle Seeger retired. That's going to be the first topic. Then Trevor's going to bring us some tidbits. Jake, you have just a topic, a fun wish, I think.

And I have a little historical tidbit. And everyone here, what's your official height if you were at a buzzcut? Oh, Buzzcut, 510. 5-9. 5-9. 5-9. 5-9. So three of us should be listening.

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poorly fitting clothes this holiday season, check out under 510 and get the clothes that actually fit under 510.com slash john boy. All right. Kyle Seeger retired via a tweet from his wife, which is, I don't know. I don't know where that ranks. You know, the Marshawn Lynch Instagram post of his shoes hanging from the telephone wires was my favorite retirement announcement. He did come back from that, but still, that was my, like, that's awesome.

And I don't know if Kyle Seeger having his wife do it for him on Twitter is in the awesome bucket or the like, what? Bucket. So the way in which you retire, Jake, are your fan? I am. I am. I think from all reports, from all reports I got, Kyle Seeger's kind of a country guy. No, he, you know, not a big social media guy we saw, I think, you know, second time we've talked about his wife on the podcast.

Originally, she got involved during the famous Mariners Town Hall where they kindly said it would be Kyle Seeger's last season, although he had a team option. and could do whatever. Man, a, middle name is doer, Jim. You're going to have to look into that, D-U-E-R-R, so I'll let you work on that. And Trev, I mean, more so like this dude just needs to be appreciated as a goddamn ball player, like a 37 career war, 242 career ding-dongs, an all-time mariner. He's got a gold glove in the bag.

Kind of just rock solid. And when you're getting that at third base every year, he goes out 35 home runs, second most in a retirement year to Big Poppy. And yeah, I guess, you know, A, appreciate Kyle Seeger. And if he was on your favorite team, how much would you love this damn guy? Man the Hot Corner for 11 years? That's awesome. And then, I mean, the ripple effect leads into that is that I don't think there was a big

free agency third base pool and I think some teams were seriously looking at Kyle Seeger. I thought there was a chance he could end up on either New York team like this guy still had baseball options and I think he he kind of chucked up the deuses and was like well I'm good

I'll see you see guys in hell. He didn't say that. That was me. He didn't say that. People are not going to like what I'm about to say but hear me out. Okay. Awesome. Tee it up. go. No, like, this is not a bad thing. It's actually a really good thing that people are going to misconstrue this. I have to like explain it. Okay. I've said on this show before, Mike Trout,

when you see him every day, you might not think to yourself that's the greatest ballplayer of all time, but then you just go back and look at the numbers. He's just so consistently great. Like, it's almost annoying how consistently great Mike Trout is. So it almost takes, takes away, like he doesn't have these bursts of, or he has had them, but more often than not, he's just consistently great. He doesn't have, you know, 15 homer months and stuff like that. Like, he just consistently is fucking great. And that is exactly what Kyle Seeger was, too. Maybe not to the level of Mike Trout, obviously. But look at what, just go back and look at his numbers. I mean, over 150 games played, you know, a million times. Like, he is the model of consistency.

He's out there every single day for the Mariners. He's had an OPS plus every single year of his career except for OPS plus over 100, excuse me, every single year except for 2018 and his rookie year. He's just consistent. Last year, Jake, to your point, the team is wanting him, 35 homers, 101 RBIs. Like I know these are old counting stats and people disregard them, but like that's still a monster season. He did have stuff left in the tank, but I like when guys go out on their own terms. He was done.

He made a lot of money. I haven't looked at his career early. I know he signed the 700 deal back in the day. So the guy is, he's just ready to be a family man, it seems like. So I like when guys were able to choose that and go out on their own. 100 million. Congratulations. On the dot? No. No. A little bit above. 103. 534800. Call now. I mean, just if you go look at his baseball reference page, it's just consistent. I love it, man. So congrats and cheers to Kyle Seeger. Most home runs. He has hit off of one pitcher is five, and that pitcher is.

Ooh, good one. Let's see. He's played in the AOS this whole career. Future Hall of Famer hides his bald spot. Hides his bald spot. Those are the top two things you think about when you know this, when you think everyone does. Custom balls, married to. Supermodel Brandon McCarthy Justin Verlander Justin Verlander

Jake knew 5 home runs off Justin Burland I forgot about that okay yeah it's one of the bigger sneakier balls in MLB

it's like Justin Turner Justin Verland sneaky well he kind of is I think if you're a Dodgers fan if you're a Dodgers fan no but if you're just

you just see him come through for three days you just see the headband in the you don't know. So take that, Verlander. He has some quotes, if anyone's interested. He said that he knew at the end of the season last year. So this wasn't, he didn't like dip his hand into free agency. See what he was out there, decide he didn't want it.

He says that I knew on that last game that if we got eliminated, it was my last at bat, and it was very emotional. And he said he was tinkering with the idea last spring training and all that. It's ready to be a family man. So congrats to him. Treve, you said counting stats don't matter. They do. And some of the kids are probably having panic attacks hearing that.

But here's a counting stat that matters. He played in every game except two the past two seasons. He played 159 last year and 60 in the 60 game season the year before, which gives them the bold on the baseball reference. He also led the A. and sack flies in 2020. So double bold in there, so which kind of allows him to retire. And yeah, man, I just, you know, any ripple effect or implications, you know, I know on even

talking Yanks, we had mentioned Kyle Seeger's name. The third base free agent pool this year, Chris Pryant, I think he's going to be moving off third base. Maybe a team will do it. Who knows, we'll see. Chris Taylor technically listed there, but he's known for playing everywhere. and then it was kind of Eddie Escobar and Kyle Seeger. So if you were a team that was entering this free agency saying,

oh, let's get a guy at third base, your options were kind of like Kyle Seeger, a guy who lefty bat, 35 homers, I think, played a strong third base. A lot of teams are saying, or a lot of fan bases at least, are saying, hey, should we throw Seeger like a one year? Maybe he hits another 30 homers for us. It doesn't look like it's happening. So good for him, man.

think people understand how difficult it is to play your entire career in Seattle or one place in general and then just say yeah i'll take a one year deal and go somewhere to play like that's it's not it's not that easy to start over like that and have to get used to a new city new coaching staff new everything if you're at his point you're just like yeah like i could do that but i also could just like hang and go watch my brother cori play in texas and like drink beers in the stands i don't know like I'm happy for him. He seems happy. If they come back from the CBA negotiations and right away in the year 2022,

there is limits on the shift. I'm not expecting this. I think it would be a grandfathered in continual. But then some team should go grab him out of retirement because his stats that I've been talking about forever, the men on versus the base is empty where he turns from a, 500 OPS to 1.OPS. I tweeted it out and every Seattle fan was like, well, it's the shift. As soon as there's a runner in scoring

position and they can't shift, he's fucking awesome. Otherwise, it just gets robbed. So put that on your note. Does he just pull the ball in the hole or something? I don't know. I guess so. Yeah, they're basically when you can't, whatever they shift on them, it just changes. So if the shift gets regulated, then go get yourself some Kyle Seeker. Can I?

Joe Maurer. Get Joe Maher back from retirement. You know Joe. still do it. I already lost to Trev in a home run derby. I, one, have a statement, and then I think I'm going to segue Trevor perfectly into his topic. So Treve, you're on deck here. A, I want more players to start just like coming back in midseason because they're

over the grind. So if the Mariners are in the hunt next year and then they have like an injury, like, give me Kyle Seeger tapping in for 40 games. It's like, I want to make that more of a thing. And follow up to that, which kind of ties in, Trev, and I know you want to talk about it, you mentioned how hard it is. You know, we casually say like, oh, yeah,

sign a one year with the Mets after you just spent 15 years with Seattle's organization. That's not as easy as we make it sound because we cover it up with the one year 10 million. But also, Treve, I think this could kind of lead to a little bit of a trend that I like to call the Trevor Plouffe effect. is that if you're happy with your career, like Kyle Seeger,

you put up a good career, like I think we might see more guys doing this, kind of just walking away like, hey, I had a pretty good career. I'm happy where I landed, like Jim said, 103 mil in the bank account. Like, I don't need to do the vagabond thing for a couple of years. And I think that kind of ties into some love in sports,

which I know you're hot on right now. I know what you're trying to segue. So I'll go there. Awesome. Am I riding a segue? How do you ride a segue? No, man. No, you're not.

You're sitting, you're right to say, you just stand on it and kind of lean a little bit. Yeah, I'm doing that right now. I did that around Florence, Italy. It's a lot of fun. Got chased down by Policia,

policea, because me and my dad were racing around the... How rich are you right now? Swiss, Florence, Milan. He went. I actually, we, yeah, it was wild. I won the race. Swiss beats hates the Swiss, little known fact. It's not Swiss speeds.

It's Swiss. Excuse me? It's at Z's at the end. And that's why he hates the Swiss. At least we segwayed perfectly. Segwayed perfectly. So, yeah, look. About the one.

Oh, God. Oh, God. It's time on train. Okay, we're not doing the full song because you said that your your tidbits wouldn't. James, James, you kind of missed the segue. Missed the segue. It's a different segue. It's a double segue.

We're not segueing to your tidbits? We're segueing to Kirk Herb Street talk. I believe that's what you're trying to get me to. He's got other tidbits. Two tidbits. Okay. I just want to touch on this briefly because it gets, it gets misunderstood. You know, everyone probably saw Kirk Herb Street and Desmond Howard talking about players opting out of bowl games because, or they were saying they don't love the game anymore. This generation doesn't love the game anymore. And people could say that about, I've seen people said about baseball players who retire early or, you know, whine about, you know, the lockout and money and stuff. It just, people need to understand this. There comes a point.

in your life where other things take precedent over the game, like family and your children, I guess who are your family. Like there are things that are just more important. And the game, everyone always says, doesn't owe you shit. And on the other side, you don't necessarily owe the game anything. You put your work in. Every single player who has made it to the college level and then beyond loves the game they play. You can't do it.

You can't be at that level, college or above, without loving the game. You have to also love your family and love your future. So, you know, when Kirk's talking about these guys opting out of bowl games so they don't love the game, blah, blah, blah, blah. Dude, like, you have to take into account what's right for you and your family. So I think that whole take is ridiculous. And it follows suit with like, yeah, like Seeger is like, yeah, I could go do this and I can go play for the Mets or the Yankees possibly. We're just saying hypothetically. But there comes to a point where it's like I'd rather.

just be with my family and do regular things. He doesn't need this anymore. He's put the work in. He doesn't mean he doesn't love the game. All these college Jews skipping bowl games because their future is in the NFL and like they don't want to risk it. That doesn't mean they don't love the game.

Hell, they worship the game. But they're ready to take the next step and that's what's best for them. I just, I can't believe that was a take put out. I guess I can. It was on ESPN, so I understand like. Yeah, I think they're trying to get reactions. I mean, because reactions, and they profit off of all games.

They want all the best players in it. I understand it from ESPN's business standpoint. But if they can take a stand on the business side, you got to let players take a stand on the business side too. You put the work in your entire life. And now you have a chance to go to the next level, which is your ultimate dream. Yeah, I think it's only uncles on couches that you don't like saying for the love of the game.

Like would they say Kurt Flood? They say Kurt Flood wasn't doing it for the love of the game Because he was trying to get what he was worth. And like, you know, it's just I would hope our audience, though, we're kind of just preaching what everyone already knows. I don't think there's anyone that dumb listening to us right now. I think the only twist with colleges there's still the education side that people still bang the drum on that.

But it's a college education ain't worth shit. There you go. I'm not going to stay. And you want me a doctor or lawyer? Go do it. You want to... Yeah. There are certain professions you need extra schooling for, yes, 100%.

But yeah, no, I don't know. It just, it's become really eye-opening with the college stuff that, like, get your money. Anyone that can get your money, go do that. Like, there's gymnasts out there that have, like, massive followings on Instagram and Twitter and stuff. Which gymnasts are you following? Guess what? He loved it. No.

I guess we get caught up in the star athletes. Like you're talking about Treve, and this is a little outside of baseball, but there's college baseball. You know, if a running back sits out a bowl game or whatever it is, like, you know, the pro-gymastic league doesn't, you know, they're not giving out $20 million contract. So if these girls and guys, there's male gymnasts too,

like if they can get payday from doing what they're doing, it's just like once you remove the lens, Like, there's also two other lenses outside of it. Like, oh, you get a college education. Oh, you can make a little bit of money. Oh, the NCAA makes how much money? So, yeah. Kyle Seeger still loves baseball, but he loves his family.

Fair? It's time for Trevor's tidbits. He's not going to show you his bits. He's probably taking it. Treve doesn't like that part of the song. Because he wants to show you. I don't mind that. I don't mind that. Treve, you did reach out to some of your little birds, right?

I did reach out of some of my birds and, you know, they're talking, but they're not talking about much. I think, you know, there's been a lot actually written today. M.L.B. Trade Rumors just came out with an article. There's nothing going on. There's nothing scheduled. Even Bobby Nightingale was right on this one. There's nothing scheduled. And for my birds, the ball is in. in MLB's court to come back and make a proposal about, you know, the, I hate using this term, but I guess it's right. It's the core economics. That's, that's all that's at play here, people.

All the other stuff is going to get figured out. It's all about, you know, the splitting up of the revenue, essentially, of the money. There's been no talk scheduled, which I don't understand. It's been, what, like a month since we've had talks? What are people doing? I went on and talked about how I hate Santa Claus. Like, who cares? Remember, people who were mad at me for that. But still, even in the new year, we're back at work. What's today?

January 3rd, we got nothing on the books. I just don't understand. The players were expecting a counter-proposal in Dallas. That's what I got. There was not a counter-proproposal in Dallas. So now here we are waiting. It's January 3rd. And I am on record of saying, I did say there was no lockout.

I didn't think there would be a lockout. I misspoke. What I really meant was I don't think. think we're going to be missing games. I'm not so sure anymore about that. The longer this thing takes, you know, there's going to be proposals and then, you know, redlining and counter proposals. It just seems like it takes a lot of time.

We've worked with these sides before. They don't work quickly. There's a little tidbit for you. They don't work quickly at all. So I'm scared. I think the first spring training game is February 26th. you know, Evandrelic,

I actually really like what he writes. I feel like a lot of it is very, very truthful. He's saying that the, like a deadline seems to help these two sides talk. And right now there's really no deadline. So as we get closer to it, maybe there'll be some more talking.

But right now we're just sitting here doing nothing. We're twiddling our thumbs. And I think it's preposterous. Because remember people, 2016 we agreed to a CBA five years in the making here i know you know to start talking about it five years ago but like let's let's start ironing things out a year in advance a year and a half in advance we're sitting here January 3rd we're locked out and we got nothing doesn't make any sense i hate it um that's really all i got i got a poll sent to me about how fans

think about it, guess what? I don't care. I don't care about the freaking pole, okay? I need both these sides to start talking. And I'm talking to MLB and the Players Association. Do you believe they aren't talking? Do you believe that they're not talking? Because I don't.

I do believe that they aren't talking. Jimmy, like I said, man, we've experienced this with these both sides. Didn't we have a bird to tell us that they have been talking? I don't know. I mean, I agree with you, Trevor. I thought you a big bird. I know, I know. But your media.

And if they tell the media that they're talking, the media says, well, what you're talking about? So they might be. I am the media. They might be saying, we're not talking. We're not talking. Well, secretly talking. Because I remember unsubstantiated, very baseless. Don't even know if I heard this, but I thought we heard that they were meeting every day.

Well, hold on. Which one was it? Did you hear it or not? Well, I don't know if I'd trust it. I don't know where it came from, but it got sent to Jake and I. I got two guys saying there's absolutely shit going on. So whatever. If they are talking, I hope they're not telling people they're talking.

I guess that's just very hopeful of me. My hope is that they're meeting and they're publicly saying they're not meeting because once they want the media involved, that means they've come to the biggest stop and anger and they're trying to win the media battle like we saw in 2020 during the negotiations over the short and season. The fact that they're not using the media to go against each other right now and both sides are saying the same thing, even if that thing is we're not talking, it's still better than

them using the media to fight. So I'm just a little bit hopeful, which isn't like me usually. But yeah, we're going to miss games. My feeling. Yeah. You're 40 days out from spring training. like 45 days out from pitchers and catchers showing up. They're not getting there.

Like that sucks. I think we're going to miss games. Jake, I want to get your take on this. I want to say one more thing. I'm going to dish it to you, okay? We've been part of these labor talks because of the pandemic. You know, we've seen, you know, what transpires between these two sides. My feeling, and this is no, this is not a birdie telling me anything.

This is just my feeling. My, my, um, what's, it called? I don't know. My feeling is that MLB is going to stall and stall and stall and stall because they know it puts pressure on the players who want to play games, who have to get ready to play games. They can't just go and say, oh, hey, it's April 1st. We just finish a deal. Go out and play the games. Guys, no, you have to have a spring training. People need to get ramped up. And we're in a lockout, mind you. We can't meet. They can't have practices. They can't do anything. So to have the lockout be over, there needs to be, what, a three, four month, a three, four week period after the lockout is over, you know, just to ramp guys up.

So it's, it's looking bad out there. And I do believe that this is just a tactic, a stall tactic on NLB's side. Jake? A couple things. Chris Rose rotation, Marcus Simeon, Zach Britton, and Lucas Gialito. They all talked about it They're all player reps at different levels That was a really good conversation

About some of the stuff that's happening In the rooms And Chris Rose Rotation just had another episode Drop today Howard Bryant Our friend Jeff Passon And Ken Davidoff talking about some Hall of Fame stuff That was really good

So go check that out as you Get through the new year with us Yeah man Evan Drelley Drellich, friend. You know, I... I'm not saying... Not saying who had it first or whatever,

but also mentioned... My fear when we talked about this a couple weeks ago was there's no deadline. There's no deadline. Both sides are confident a deal is going to get done, but there's no deadline. And my comparison was to the free agency deadline. Look at how many guys signed.

Because there was a timeline to get something done. The only timeline to get something done is games. And both sides think that's their leverage. So, and knowing both sides participating, yeah, man, it just, it sucks because there's so much fun stuff to dream of when the lockout is over. But I don't know. I don't know. I don't think there's a clear end in sight, Trev. It seems like I sparked something you raised your hand.

I want to remind everybody that there is no need to be in a lockout. This is a self-imposed MLB lockout. They don't need to do this. They can continue to bargain without locking out. This was a negotiating tactic that's going to hurt them as organizations because we are going to get this deal done and then we are going to speed into the season and we are going to see injuries because of it.

The lockout is the dumbest thing that has happened to this sport in a long time. And for everyone needs to know, I know we've talked about it here, but just no, this didn't have to happen. It was strictly a negotiating ploy set by MLB. That's all it is. They could still be having their people rehab with them, seeing their doctors, getting them physically ready for the season, but they chose the opposite path. And they're going to pay for it with injuries.

And players are going to pay for it with injuries because they're going to speed through this thing and try to get games in as fast as possible after this agreement comes in. But I just have to make sure people know they didn't have to do this. They could still have players pictures on MLB.com. MLB network can still be showing highlights and talking about free agency and stuff. But instead they chose that path and it's freaking ridiculous that they did it. It's so stupid. but sorry.

I agree. Let it out. Let it all out. Jake, you want to talk about something fun? I think is that it? I mean, they got to start talking soon. That's the thing. Otherwise, we're missing games.

Maybe we don't. But yeah, I came to that conclusion that they're just using that data as leverage. So both both would rather prove they're not going to budge than budge to start negotiating. I guess that was my thing I was going to kick to you guys. What's our, next actual update? Is it going to be the players saying we sent over an offer and we can't get

MLB won't come to the table? Is it going to be MLB sends over an offer and the players are going to be disgusted? What's our next update? Maybe the, you know, let me put these thoughts together. If we didn't have the COVID stoppage and the negotiation there, maybe that's, maybe that was actually beneficial to these because in that short window, they both embarrass themselves so much publicly that they both sides lost so much support because the way in, even if you were in favor of what the one side was fighting for over the other, the way in which they communicated with the media and put out headlines. Do you remember, we put out like a joke statement mocking their statements.

They put out a statement every other week. They were like negotiating through media statements. It was the most embarrassing thing for both MLB and MLBPA. It was like watching two kids throw sand at each other in the sandbox and look at mom and be like, do you see what he did? And then throw their own. So maybe that was like beneficial to this, which is a much bigger deal, not just one short and season agreement. That's why they're trying to stay out of the public as much as possible.

Again, that's my hope because I truly don't want to see them embarrass themselves as badly as they did last in 2020 again. So maybe it was a little blessing that they got that out of the way. I hope you're right, James. I really, really do. I don't, I don't believe it, but I hope you're right. I just don't see these two sides Zooming every day being like, hey, let's keep this a secret. Let's not talk about it.

That's just not the way they've operated at all. And maybe you're right. Maybe they got to a point where like, wow, we can't keep doing this. Like, let's figure something out. But does that seem like them either?

I think, I think it'd be, there's a line in, uh, there's a line in the show the wire when they start like wiretapping the, the criminals every day. And then one of the guys says something along the lines of like, even.

kings and queens shit or get bored something like that like when you actually tap into what you think is this like big powerful thing i think if we had like a live stream of the meetings everyone would be like oh my god it's just two guys yeah there's no that's that's the truth it is like that you know they have their lead negotiators and like those who those are the guys they trust that speak on their behalf because there's not you know there's some people that aren't like very articulator Like coffee and a paper cup And two guys just like chatting

Zach Britton said there was a good dessert table At the last thing they were at So I mean James wouldn't touch that I don't know about you I wouldn't touch it Not this temple Yeah

Not this year Yeah last year But what about Sunday Oh my God This Sunday Did you start on Sunday? Did you start on Sunday? No I started today Weekends don't count

Count? Weekends don't count. My mom hosted another dinner yesterday, just to do it. It was desserts. It was actually Colombian bread desserts, which were really good. Oh, it sounds really good. It was like a Mexican sweetbread type thing? Yes, it was like a sweet bread. One was cheese and one was like guava. Love it.

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Call 1,800 gambler. Oh, I had you a 9-9. No, that was way worse slower than that. It was a pretty accurate count in my head. Me? I'm cooling, man. You're up. You're up, Jake. I've mentioned it before. I've mentioned it again.

Oh, gosh. Turns out. The prelude is too much. I'm not a man. You need juice. Okay. Wow. I was thinking about baseball.

It's something I often do. Something I often do. I'm the most pathetic man in the world. Well done, BBD, well done. My God, son. Big tongue. And, you know, we get locked into our teams, and I was remembering when we did the episode and we were like,

hey, who are your teams talking about? You guys called in, left some voicemails, and we appreciate you guys. And I think the light bulb started going off, and now I can't turn it off. I'm on the San Diego Padres train. I think for baseball reasons, on and just the excitement of it all.

Like how far have we come from Slam Diego and the Padres and Fernando Tatis Jr. Like it just felt they went in this death spiral last year that the Padres lost all of their juice. And I think someone called in and said that they wanted the Padres to sign Chris Bryant and we all kind of clicked around and were like, I don't know. I don't know if that's a solution. The Padres, Fernando Tatis Jr.

Good. Mani Machado. Look at his last two years. Mani's still slang in that damn thing. Both those guys under contract for a while. Croninworth. Stud. Play him wherever the hell you want.

Do you guys all say, hmm? I didn't. I heard a little one out of you, bigger one out of Trev. I did do it. I like Jake Boninworth. I think when this lockout is over, we're going to have all of our, we're going to have a bunch of more free agent signings.

We're going to have a bunch of trades, man. I hope that's what's happened and all the GMs are talking. And then once it's released, those guys are just going to make moves. The Padres are still very much in their window. And now is like the full-blown time. like. Clevenger is coming back and this is his final year. Snell turned it on in the second half of the last year. Musgrove, Darvish, Snell, Clevenger.

They signed the guy Nick Martinez. That was one of those sneaky contracts at the end. They're saying he might start if he's figured it out or he can be a bullpen option for them. When the, what's the term? When the powers turn back on for baseball or the hounds are unleashed or the floodgates open. That's the one I wanted.

Damn comes down. I think the Padres are going to be the biggest movers and shakers, and I'm excited. They've already lost a couple bullpen guys from last year, Melanson and Hudson. Tommy Fam currently off the books for them. And I think they're going to make either a monster trade, whether it's unloading Hosmer.

There were some leaks that the Cubs in the, them were pretty close last year. They've been trying to dump the Hosmer contract. I wonder if that's on the table. I think come early March, April, whenever the lockout gets figured out, and that we start having transactions, I think the Padres are going to be back in the spotlight. So I don't know if they're Jake's Padres. I don't know if I'm on the train. I see someone in the chat, say Jake's daddies. Treve, your Bob Melvin is in 10. town now. I mean a little, you know, what's that, a level of security, a level of calmness. I'm on the Padres train, and I think, you know, the Dodgers, they haven't made their big moves yet.

The Giants were supposed to be kind of big movers and shakers. That hasn't seemed to happen. I think it's going to be daddy season again, and I'm excited for that. So I wanted to bring that to the table for you guys. Thank you At least Thank you for that Jake's dad It's a lot to unpack right there A lot

Pack me First of all We talked about this I think last episode Two episodes ago 22 World Series odds Have Padres Like the six best odds

Draft King Sportsbook Go check it out So nobody's sleeping on these guys They know what's happening Padres had a horrible Second Half last year You know what their record Was in the second half guys

21 and 4 or the 26 and 43 a 377 winning percentage most of it was in September which was just absolutely gross for them they went six and 19 a 240 like they just s to the bed they quit that's not going to happen again Bob Melvin won't allow that to happen but Mel will not allow that to happen he's he'll make the tough decisions if somebody needs to sit their ass on the bench, he'll sit their ass on the bench. And that's the truth. He will. He'll have to go talk to the front office about it first, but I think he'll get his wish.

And then I did, before I keep going, I do want to say one thing. You mentioned Eric Cosmer. Congratulations. Massive. I don't know if you had Saul as on Instagram. Massive wedding on New Year's Eve. It was a who's who baseball players. No, never mind.

I'm New Year's Day. I'm New Year's Day. I'm New Year's Day. A whose, whose of baseball players were there. It was a beautiful event. Did I get the invite? I did not. Even though I have a signed bat by Eric that says,

Love You Like a Brother. I did not get the invite. He wrote Love You Like a Brother? Yeah. I mean, that's a lie. That was a long time ago. But he doesn't. But he does not love you like a brother.

I could see him liking you though. Yeah, I think he's had a lot of fun to get. I think he looks up to you in a weird way. Like you're kind of his. Or down on me. He's very tall and he's very rich. You're in, yeah, but, but somehow you have something he wants. You're inverted. Like, he always wanted to play third base and be righty.

Man, I'll tell you what. All Eric Hodge was had a blessed life. I don't think he'd change it with anybody. So I just wanted to say congrats. It looked like a beautiful event. I'm not, I'm just joking about not being invited. Well, I mean, you did say he loved like a brother. Brother.

And my brothers get invited to my weddings. I guess you guys have a point. Anyways, the Padres, yes. Jake, I love it. We talked about the Padres. Jimmy's brother's not invited to us. My brother didn't come to my wedding. I didn't have a wedding.

I just got married at a church. I was going to say, did anybody? My mom and dad. And the woman who married us. My brother's on a Zoom, I think. Go check that out on IG. Just go Anthony Swarzak's got some stuff on there. Moose has got some stuff.

Go to Haas's page. Check it out. It's extravagant. Snell Zilla was there. Number three prospect and baseball, C.J. Abrams. Infielder. I'm looking at this Padres infield right now, and there's Croninworth. There's Tatis.

Hot. There's Machado. Hot. They did trade Adam Fraser. And we'll talk about that, I think, next week. We'll talk about that next week. Because I have a little history tidbit. that I'm going to share with you.

I'm putting the puzzle pieces together in my head. You got Bowmel. You sign these guys to these huge contracts. I think C.J. Abrams, number three prospect in baseball. I think the pods move them. Whether that's in the Hosmer deal, whether that's something else. It's go time and your infields locked up for the next decade. I need to confirm something.

Yes. Jake's rocks. Yeah. You left them. Gone. Jake snakes. With them. Left them.

Oh. I'm with them. So Jake's daddies. We have different goals. No, you can't. You can't be a father to the entire NOS. I'm not a Dodgers guy. But, I mean, that might be coming down roads.

You are a Giants, guys. If the Dodgers finished in third place, you're going to jump on the Dodgers in 20203. They're Trebs Giants. I have L.A. and San Francisco. Yeah. I do have that. Trebs got two.

I do. Okay. Well, I don't think he can say Trebs' dogs. And my twins. and my braves Phillies fans hate me now Whoa Round the league

So you're not Off the snakes No Jake snakes Snakes Snakes sent my son We're building towards something Next year for the snakes

My son wears Diamondback stuff Because I sent it to him Yankees I think the snakes We'll give you next year That you can go off And you know

Do your little free bird type deal. You know what we should do? If you love something, you set it free. We should give Jake to a team each spring training and say, do whatever your hazing rituals are to him, and then you get to the side. I accidentally hazed myself

last night. I'll show you after the show. I hazed myself the other day. I bidet myself in the face. Treve? How'd that happen, bro? Did you turn it on? Yeah, I was feeling the water, and I thought I never

messed with the bidet before. You were what? So I was, it was cold and I was like, this is too cold. So then I twisted it. With the hand feeling the water? Yeah,

I was about the shower anyway, so it was like, I can get dirty. And then, and then I twisted it to make it hotter, but that was actually the, like, pressure.

So it all of a sudden, voop into my face. There was like a scene out of like, probably if that scene is written into Meet the Fokkers. He like, he like throws backwards and then he falls in the shower curtain.

And he's all, like probably gets a concussion and then and then they can't get wet the cat's getting super wet and then they make some other corny joke and you're like this movie kind of blows huh that was me anyway um you biday guy trev yeah but i don't touch it with my hand like i sit on it my seat is already warm because i have it set to the temperature i want and my bidet water

is always the same temperature because it's set to the temperature i want you sit on it you don't squat over it temperature I have one of like the new age toilet seat bidets Oh this was a separate bidet Yeah I mean I still wouldn't put my I didn't even do it I was too scared to do it Yeah that's always scared me

Yeah Was this in your Swiss beat house? Yeah This was Swiss Beathe's house Yeah I had a good bade away from the bidet What's that?

We had a good bidet in Denver Oh they did Yeah You guys didn't mess around with that We go buy a bidet The All-Star house? Jake and I slept in the on-air-conditioning children's-room. It's a lifesaver.

My God. Remember we had a toilet paper shortage? I didn't care. Trev. Do you remember mine and Jake's bedroom in the All-Star House? That's ridiculous. Jake and I slept in the only un-air-conditioned room. And two, not even kids' beds.

You guys chose that. No, we didn't. No, we said you could put Jake and I in the same room. We've been roommates for a while. we did not know we were getting the offshoot like built on. The day I saw the house, I knew what was happening. They're like cousins kid in room.

Maybe you didn't choose it. The beds weren't even real. You gravitated. They were like those fake beds that like, you know, more than 100 pounds and you're going to hear a lot of squeaking. Like trundle beds. There's a sauna. And then there's just a fart-filled sauna.

What I would tell people is like, picture, picture if you bought a box of KFC chicken. And then you had Stuart. Little live in that box after you emptied on the chicken. That's kind of what we did, but two Stuart Littles. I know what happened. So, Zach and I shared a couch. Go Padres.

God, what a weird show this was today. Big Padres. It's not even over, although. That's my prediction. Big Padres trade coming. What? It's me. C.J. Abrams and Eric Cosmer traded.

So, yeah, I'm cool now. which is huge. No, man. Not cool. It just hurt me deep inside. Okay. I got a little history for you guys. And I have to play something first because I don't know how to pronounce this.

And I'm worried about that. A shocker? Yeah, I don't know if it's shib or like some sort of... You had a speech impediment as a kid. Is it shib? I did have a speech impediment. And he overcame it. It's so inspirational.

I love to share your story. story, James. Thank you. Thank you very much. I'm being serious. Shib. Okay, Chive, according to this website. The owner of the Philadelphia A's way back, Ben Shib and his son, John Shib. Anyway, they played at Shib Park, really cool, sharp and really cool park in Philadelphia. But did you guys know? Maybe you did, maybe not. Some people definitely don't know this. That the way old ballparks were built, they were like in the middle of a city, kind of like Fenway. And a lot of them had to put up big, walls like Fenway to stop the public from watching for free. But Shib Park in Philly had a 12-foot wall in right field, which was tall enough that you couldn't just stand there and watch it. But also little kids would tip ladders and then climb over it and little kids would just sit on it.

And some outfielers were like, hey, it was kind of cool. Like fans were there. But then they built behind it. B.BD. I gave you a tweet to the link. They built like behind it. If you go, keep going to like the third or the last one. they built like okay so there so the the field of place to the left and it's like an angled street

and then the rooftops and they would sell out the rooftops more so than the inside kind of like cubs but times a million to the point and they were the most popular team they were winning a bunch but the Connie mac and the owner hated it and they first they bribed them not to sell tickets and all that then eventually in 1930 before the 1935 season they built what is what was called the spite wall. And they took the 12-foot wall, and they made it, they added 38 feet more to completely block the fans. And all the articles refer to it as the wall went up and the A's tumbled down.

And if you can see this, I don't know if you can zoom in or not, but it was metal and balls would just die and fall straight to the track. So they didn't even bounce. And then they said, but other parts, if it hit like a column, they would bounce all the way to the infield. So the right fielder's hated it. And then the home runs, like it drastically changed their season, killed attendance.

The oppression happened. They got bad. But yeah, so that was called the spite wall built specifically to piss off everyone in the neighborhood. Or it blocked them from getting a free game. And I think that's a cool part of baseball history. So I'm sharing it. There's no real moral or, real trick to this, just a tidbit.

I know you didn't mean it to come this way, but it's very topical at the moment. I didn't. When you laughed, I was like, I guess it's like they're locking the fans out or whatever. So. Yeah. I know you didn't mean to do that. I didn't. I just was reading about that the other day on a baseball reference rabbit hole.

Some lefties, their home runs actually went up the next year. But then a lot of people said that the, like, right fielders were just like, there was like quotes about them just. It sucked. A spite wall is an incredible, like, term. Spite fence, I believe. Spite walls better, Spite fence, I believe.

I want to leave spite walls kind of everywhere. I have a few places I'd like to put some spite walls. I'm not going to go into it yet, but good stuff, James. Do it. There was a funny quote from it where they're like, uh, there was like a chicken box and they're like, this was chicken shit.

Oh, the quotes. It's about that it was like the difference between chicken salad and chicken shit. It's a good quote. Yeah. So there you go. Spite fence. He said Connie Mack, I ended up on his baseball reference because he was in our conversation of most baseball watched. Of all the time.

He probably wins it. And I just, I don't know if we mentioned this last time, but under his nicknames, the baseball reference nicknames. the grand old man of baseball. How awesome is that? So that's a tough one to be. That's a tough one to be. The tall tactician, he was 6'1. Trev?

Bang. Hey, he's got black on his player baseball reference. Wow, he's in the group. Connie Mack led the league in 1890 and hit by pitches. That's the guy that's going to go on to be a manager Some guys love getting hit, don't they? Yeah Rizzo, dude Rizzo.

Were you into that, James? No. No. That crossed up on a fastball once by this kid who went on to play college baseball and it like hit me right at a face And I didn't like that at all. Also, he hit me in the face with a warm up Without a mask on it with a warm up

Because I was sneezing and I was. holding my hand up to be like, don't throw it. I'm sneezing. And he thought I was holding it up to be like, hit me right here. Put it here. Hit me right in the glove. So I went, ah, shoot, boom, right to the forehead. It's like, come on, man. Figure that out a little more. Anthony Rizzo, Anthony Rizzo hit by pitch his career. What do you got? 170. I don't know how to gauge or guess that. But 170 is my official guess. I always do 17. Is he at 10 years played? Is he at 10 years played? I think he's like 120

178 Yes Wow that's a lot more than I That's a lot bro That's a lot dude He kind of likes it like I saw I know we only got a small sample of Rizzo On the Yanks this year but he's like

He's kind of got the football player Like craves contact like when he gets hit by a ball He's like I kind of like that Favra out of the replacement That's a psycho nobody wants to hit by the ball I mean I hated getting hit Ah shit I watched the replacements on the airplane home and there was a Favreau line, you know, he plays Danny, that I said, oh, I want to,

I want to put that in my brain and start saying that during shows and stuff, but I forget what it was. Next time. Next time. Wednesday. Tune in next time for Adam Frazier and John Favro quotes from the replacements. That's all for today. Thank you guys very much for joining us.

Trev, famous last words. I want to get into your guys high school career a little more on these episodes. Mine was short. I want to hear about it. Okay, okay, sure. I want to get to know you guys. Friends Dad was the coach who's got the stat book. It's bad.

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