Talkin' Baseball (MLB Podcast) - 441 | Talkin' Baseball's Hall of Fame Ballot

Episode Date: January 5, 2022

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Hello and welcome to Talking Baseball. Time for us to cast our Hall of Fame votes. They gave us a ballot. They said it's real and it matters. Welcome to Talk in Baseball. Brought to you by Draft Kings. My name's Jimmy. See next to me is Jake Trevor in California with the Shades on.

Producer BPD behind the desk. A couple of lies to start the show. We're no longer podcast. It's YouTube only. And these votes matter. and we have a say in them and Jake is a healthy-brained human. How you doing, Jake? James, Trevor Plouffe, everyone.

Maybe we'll get some extras in the YouTube chat today. Our Spotify, some of our podcast apps are banged up. We're working on them. They should be back soon. So sorry if you've been wrestling with that. We'll get you back. And, yeah, it was unbelievable. You know, MLB, they finally do a source.

smart move, they clear house, they get rid of that troublemaker, Rosenthal, and they just gave us a ballot. So we're going to fill it out. We're going to send it in. We're going to do it live on the air, and we're going to get you your next batch of Hall of Fame. I was surprised how big the ballot is. It came in, like, poster board info.

It was awesome. There was a letter. Rosie's out. And we were like, is that Chris Rose? Is that Rosenthal? Yeah. And then we figured out Rosenthal that he's out. So they just gave us a massive.

ballot that we're going to fill out. Massive. Two at a time. Guys, I'm just happy they finally got Kenny out of there. What a bad person. Yeah. What a bad person he is. Why would you want someone with his, you know, knowledge, experience, you know, the way

he treats people, which is excellent. Why would you want him at your network covering the sport? That doesn't make any sense. Dude, I've been firm on it for a long time. Journalists shouldn't have integrity. Yeah. No. No.

Biased and appeasing to their bosses only. I mean, I think I'm going to let BPD sit here and say talking baseball stinks. He's out. I think he said that before, have you? Probably. I think it was just, it was funny that two troublemakers, Ken Rosenthal and Antonio Brown, kind of signed off on the same day. So isn't that how the world works? It comes in threes.

Is his track coming soon? Kenny R's got a hot. new track on the streets. That's what I've been hearing, though. If Kenny R releases a rap song. No, I wouldn't be rap. Well. Spoken word.

It's a former writer. Why don't someone take whatever the article that got Rosenthal in trouble and put it to some music, like spoken word poetry type, like slam. Can we turn it into a slam palm? No one else steal that idea. Let's turn it into a slam poem. On it. I am the company.

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And again, the podcast apps will be fixed. There's just a little glitch going on. And speaking of clothes, I wanted to tell you this in person, Jake, but I'm going to save it for on air. That's the best Christmas purchase outfit your mom's gotten in a while. I think it looks great. I think she did. Linda Ben did a great job on this one.

My mom normally goes more build a bear than actual human outfit. It's very much a sweater you get your son. You're always scared to go horizontal, stripes on a stockier man. But the necklace, which is supposed to be... So you wear that necklace a lot of times. I'm a proud New York, like, I'm starting my junior year of high school today. You wear the chain?

Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yeah. You're starting your junior of high school and you're like, I'm a man now. Yeah. You're like the rock. I'm just going to... Fuck with me. Yeah. Yeah. Come at me.

Look at this. Yeah. So... But I do think you look good. Thank you. And your hair's feathery today. Yeah, no product. I disagree.

I disagree with you, Jimmy. But you didn't see it in person. When I saw the pictures, I wasn't. I want to get that powdery shit that makes your hair look like Tyler Wade. Is that what you do? No, I want it so bad. Insta commercials. Baby powder?

Listen, guys. No, there's like a powder that gives you some time. There's like hair depth, but like definitely if I use it, it would look like I have lice. Yeah. Like 100%. Yes. Yeah. This is the truth about that hair.

And you're not going to like it. it because you're not going to do this. I know you. Look a guy that wears Tim's in a chain doesn't do this. It's a blow dryer. You have to have a blow dryer. Well, hey, listen, we'll get Jake just got off the dead fish tone. I'm so hot. I don't think I need a blow dryer. Not like, that's how you get the volume. I've seen dudes to have that hair. Have you? When's the last time you used a blow dryer? Probably on a spill. Dude, blow dryer is by the way, you know, an incredible In the bed wet or something. Do they have cool blow dryers?

Oh, I can't do the heat. Baby James, my son, like he likes the sh of it. So I think I held it by his face once. You better shut up. Blow drive him right in the face. Have I told the Jesse Crane blow dryer? Story? No.

Well, let's do that and then we'll fill out our Hall of Fame bracket. It's not really a story. It's just Jesse Crane. And I've actually, he's the second human. I've seen do this. So it leads me to believe it's more common than I know of. How sexual are we talking?

He would have a blow dryer in his locker. Uh-huh. And he would just get his feet warm before he put his cleats on. Ooh. I like that. That sounds kind of nice. That's cute.

That's like an old skiing tree. My father-in-law would sit on the couch. Why didn't he just put a baked potato in his cleats? He also could have done that. It's not, I mean. Or a hot rock. Yeah, hot rock in the cleats, you know? That's what they do in the ice hockey movie Mystery Alaska.

They do the hot potatoes and they put them in their cleats. It's so damn hot. Talking baseball is brought to by Draft Kings. Get a blow dryer, Jake. Get you some volume in that. Can we get some people in the hall of baseball? Wait, I want to say one more thing because I just have some stuff. Here's some more old twins relievers, people forgot.

I was going to get it. give you a compliment. I think. It looks better in person, Trev. That doesn't sound great. Sounds like you were going to say something to hope it came out nicely. No, because you guys are talking about 510 and under. Usually, you know, we kind of make fun of that. Whatever. I firmly believe a true 510, a true 510 isn't short. That's my statement. No. No, I agree with that. Yeah. Is that way it's called under 510? Yeah, probably. Probably. Like if you're 510, you're out, huh? Well, I don't know, actually. It's called, yeah, under 510.

So, Bidi-D-D-N. No, you're 5-9. Yeah, I'm... Why? You're under 5-10. Yeah. Yeah, my dad was 5-10. I don't think he ever considered himself short.

And Luke is 5-10. I don't think he's like... No. Yeah. We're going to need Luke to be lying a little more. Luke has the hair. Yeah, Luke has the volume also. I'll spike my hair.

General Spike his hair. No, you won't. What are my funeral? face picture. Hair's like three inches tall on that one. Oh, I thought you were talking about your actual C-N-Role could be. You used to be good looking, Jim.

Like, whoa. Remember that? That's a compliment. I think that's a compliment. It's about to compliment you, I think. Can we? Oh, yeah. So we're going to vote for the Hall of Fame with the ballot they sent us. They sent us. Big package. Yeah, that's huge. And how

we're doing it. So it's, uh, everyone gets two picks. We're going to draft the pick. And we're only voting for eight guys. Not all 10 because we're small hall pod kind of. Collectively, we're doing a ballot. I like a small hall within a big hall. Yes, that's what I said. Right. But it's all in the same hall. There's a museum. The hall like is a small gradually smaller as you go. Until it's just a plaque of Babe Ruth at the end. Yeah, it's a triangle. It's, yes.

And you rank every Hall of Fame. Yes, and the end is just Babe Ruth who's staring at everyone else. It's not even really a hall, by the way. It's just like a... You get greeted by Harold Baines and you're like, well, there's a door behind Babe Ruth. So then it's a hall, Trev.

I don't think so. What do you mean? There's halls in the Hall of Fame, but it's not like one hallway. Ours is. That's what we're saying. Oh, ours is just one haul. One haul.

It goes gradually into a triangle. Okay. Okay, cool. Let's all write down a random number to decide who gets to draft first. And I have done so much prep for this. Me too. What are you doing? I mean?

I don't even know who's on the ballot. It was your idea, Trev. You came up with this. No, no, no. The number thing. Oh, write down a random number. Okay. I'm just going to write on my computer.

I wrote down 46. I didn't write one yet, Jim. All right, I'll start over. So Jim's 46 is out. Out. Do another number. Oh, and Treve, you can't pick 42. Yeah.

It's retired. Yes. Okay. I already got my number. Got mine. Let me say it. Everyone right there's down? I wrote mine down.

I went 12. I went 52. 33. 41. Okay. Can you put the random number generator? and 1 through 100. I'd have it.

45. So I get first pick. If you want it. What number did you do? 52. I was 41. Oh. Sounds like BPD gets.

Yeah. Good stuff. My bad. Top numbers guy. Do you want the first pick or do you want the wrap around? I want the 4-5 wrap-around. Wow. Oh, so we're doing a snake.

Okay. I don't know. How do we want to do it? A snake. I assumed snake snake you want the wrap around yeah I mean we're all the one eight I want to I'm a I'm a I'm gonna cut people out people get mad at me we don't know what number did you have yeah because there's gonna be like three guys be like yeah to choose him I'm 12 I'm gonna choose the eighth guy what did Jimmy have 52 two pretty close pretty close seven away now you're one eight so me and Jake are

split in the middle ones I'll go I'll go two to seven I'll go three six my height Okay. So, Jim, you're going to induct the first member. Wow. Into the Hall of Baseball off of this ballot. Yeah, I am. Jesus. That's big stuff.

I am. I am. I am. I am. It's up to me. I'm going first. Do you guys ready? Do you want sound effects or something?

The pick is in. Do you like a countdown for me. Two, one. Very. Barry Bonds can absolutely cannot tell the story of baseball without mentioning Barry Bonds. Wow. You can't because the story of steroids is the story of baseball and he's the story of steroids. And also fantastic pre fantastic post and a lot of people were doing steroids.

No one was putting up the numbers that he was putting up when he was on steroids. It was insane. His baseball reference is, you know what? I've always talked about my top 10 websites in the world. Babynames.com, weather.com. Barry Bond's baseball reference page might make my top 10. Wow. Probably once or twice a year, I just go to it in Marvel,

like people go to, you know, the leaning Tower of Pisa or the pyramids to just look at it in marble. That's what I do on his baseball reference. Yeah. Probably twice a year. That's awesome. man. Thank you. So, uh, Bonds is in. That's huge. You've just created some like guidelines for us. Well, you don't have to listen to me. Oh, Treff. Well, we're collective-ish. We're on a team here. We're turning into beat writers. We're collective-ish. With the second induction into the Baseball Hall of Fame, JM.

small hall of fame Alex Rodriguez Wow I will I'll defer to our good friend Howard Bryant he's actually said he wouldn't vote for Alex Rodriguez but then he said how dumb is that

because the guy does have a zillion hits 696 home runs and yeah again he was doing steroids a lot of guys are doing steroids the numbers kind of speak for themselves. I give Arod a lot of hate because he's hate,

like he's easy to hate. Like a lot of things he does are ridiculous. How hard Rose he goes after him is so wild. Nicest guy in the world, Chris Rose. The nicest guy in the world, Chris Rose. He's out on Rod. He's out on Rod. I haven't met anyone that's in on Rod as we've been on baseball.

You can dislike him for sure because, like I said, he does a lot of things that warrant that. But if you're going to, to talk about baseball and baseball players and how good they were. You got to include A-Rod in the discussion. I modeled my batting stands after him. I wore the white

B-Gs with the gray Unis because A-Rodd used to do it. Turns out he's just kind of a, you know, whatever. 696 home runs. I'm voting for him. Led to league in home runs five different years.

Led to league in slugging for three MV. The other thing I kind of can't get over with Arod is he hot. He was the best player I watched a lot of. And like by a lot. By a lot. And Jeter really screwed him. Let's just talk about that.

Oh, I mean, you bring it up the morality clause. Sexually? It's because he wanted the B-Li-Jet so much, like loved and adored. And it's just like, was never his path. I think that like, you know, sometimes in movies, like a guy wants to be good, but he just realizes that he's just never going to get to that point. So he goes the other way? I kind of feel like that's what happened.

So you already kind of reference intro of the Chris Rose rotation with Passing Howard Brian and Ken David off and they discuss this in a slightly different tone than us. Howard Bryant's story about A-Rod was like so true and so sad. I don't even want to give it away, but he talks about meeting a young A-Rod. It's like, oh, yeah, it all makes sense. The pressure that he, the pressure that he was on his entire, or had in his entire life is something that you need to talk about too. And like, again, this is A-Rod.

So people are going to be mad and have things to say about him. But he was the best player since he was probably started playing. Like he was the best player. And to carry that, I know a guy that had to go through that, didn't necessarily didn't put up a rod numbers but delman i i saw delman go through all of that number one prospect in baseball even before that when he was 12 years old like people were talking about this kid it's a lot of pressure to put on someone when they're that young and you know talk about a rod and steroids and all that stuff but still the numbers are fucking crazy

i hear that all that pressure um yeah jake you have the number three pick who are you Man, so you guys took two. Don't muddy our board up. That I really liked. I think I'm going to muddy the board up. Oh, my goodness. I have a guy who I think is one of the best to ever play his position. He's a compiler.

He's actually not. He gets hurt by not being a compiler. I am putting Andrew Jones in the hall of baseball. With a three pick. Guys, Andrew Jones had one of the better careers you could have up until his age 30 season. Up until age 29, I mean, he won eight straight gold gloves. I mean, one of the best to ever do it in center field, racked up a bunch of homers, was putting up 30 dingers a year.

Playing center field, which again, we have to view as a different position. One of the best to ever play that position. His career fell off a cliff kind of after age 30. And my argument, and this is my baseball hall, you know, some of the guys that are connected to the juice, Jim, your guy Barry who got in there. Prove it. Trev, your guy Rod, who got in there.

He also didn't test positive. There's a lot of false confessions. Watch one true crime episode. Those guys put up some of their more monster years in their mid to late 30s, which, hey, maybe if Andrew got into the sauce a little bit, would we be talking about 600 homer, Andrew Jones? I don't know.

Maybe he took the wrong kind, and that's why he... Exactly. But this isn't a drug Hall of Fame. This is a guy who was one of the best to ever do it at his position for a decade. I'm one of those Hall of Fame guys. Andrew Jones just got in the Hall of Fame. And his son's the top prospect, coming up now, so that gives him some of a character clause for me?

He wouldn't have been on my ballot. So I'm interested to see what happens now. I don't think he would have made my ballot. Good. Don't get his shit about it. Well, I'm interested to see. I think I would have ended up going to him in one of these two picks. He's in, okay, there go.

He's getting in the hall. I'm really happy you did it. I'm a small hall guy. A bunch of guys. Oh, it's a small hall guy. He's in the middle of the triangle. No, he's wide. White.

Oh. Going through the anals of history. He's in the middle of the triangle. Harold Baines. B.B.D. has two picks in a row. It's huge. My two picks. I couldn't get over the spelling of Andrew, if we're being honest.

I know. It's tough. It's American. That's offensive. There's at least one more dude. I feel like is an obvious one. Okay. Probably more, if I looked at it more, but I'm going to

I hope someone cleans him up, I think. Oh, don't trust me to do your dirty work. That's what I'm saying. BVD, put who you want in the hall, in the hall. First, I'm putting in Manny. That's Manny. So you don't think you got to be like, you know, high IQ to be in the hall? Whoa.

Mani, between the on-field performance, it felt like I was watching a Hall of Fame or when I watched him. Oh, I test. just the whole story one of the all-time personalities it was all cool threw that guy down the stairs at one time

yeah a lot of his controversies and we'll go for gotta muddy it up at some point I can't believe I'm gonna help I'm gonna help our comments a little bit I will be putting Scott rolling in

oh my God yes I mean not a whole lot of he doesn't the foot Scott rolling in. He doesn't have the vibes, but, and you look at the baseball reference, a lot of great offensive years, played some of the best defensive third base of all time. Did it for a very, very long time. I love it, BBD. He was going to be my pick. Now I have to find another one. Scott Rowland is exactly who you would create if you were like doing a simulation. Like we're all in right now. Stimulation. 6, 4, 2.45?

Put him at the hot corner. Let him freaking rake. He's got, he's like, whenever I think about hockey and I'm like, why don't they just get the biggest person and put him in front of the net? No goals will ever be score, blah, blah, blah. That's like what I envision Scott Rowland being at third base. He's so big over there that nothing got by him, and he was obviously agile. Hostile.

Huge Scott Roland fan. watched a lot of Scott Rowland. Not a Ghibie. Not a member of the Ghibie. Learning how to play third base, I watched a lot of Scott Rowland. He, uh, and about third base, you know, we're kind of in a bit of a golden era of third base, as Jake has been vocal

about, it's one of the more underrepresented positions in the Hall of Fame. Them and catchers probably have the two biggest, relievers too, but. He's about the change. So I think it's time we get another third basement in there. So nervous for the rest of this? Just a couple of Phillies third baseman, just chatting it up.

You and Scotty. Yeah. Scotty too hotty. Love that, BPD. Wow. Love that. Feeling a lot of pressure. A lot of pressure.

You know, BBD, we're feel guys. We start every day. You guys are being too cute. We just feel each other up. Oh, you want, I'm being cute. Yeah? So you like bold, Jim. You like a good baseball reference page, huh?

You're just waiting for people to clean up your mask. You're just an analytics nerd, huh? You think there's people picking up your crumbs. I'm not your crumb picker up her. Jim, why don't you pick up this seven-time Cy Young Award winner? The Rocket. Thank God.

Roger Clemens is in the Hall of Fame. Thank you, Jake. 139.2 career war for all you. Roger Clemens. I mean, a lot of bull. I can't even count the bolt. No, you can't count the ball. He got too much bold on his case.

There was a control fine for bold. I'd figure it out, but I don't think there was. There were seven times where this gentleman was voted the best pitcher. That's a pretty good to meet the ball. And he was a Yankee. So, Roger Clemens. So he did it on one side of the ball. Let me tell you this right now.

Ain't no pitcher ever going into my Hall of Fame. You did half to work. You did half of it. Wow. Finish the job. That's so fair. That's so fair. I'll never have a pitcher in my Hall of Fame.

That's so fair. Unless. Easiest job is. It's Shohei Otani. Okay. He's already in my Hall of Fame. Is he your next vote? No.

Okay. But I am going to give it to a picture. Okay. Okay. Interesting. Interesting. But because I feel like this one's personal to me. And I really meant starting pitchers.

You guys know I fuck with relievers. Pause. I counted the bold in his baseball reference page. What's your honest guess? Like 38. 77. Oh my God. Oh, Roger Clemens.

77 bold wins. ERA, complete game, strikeouts, ERA plus, FIPP, ever, ever trust my counting on my pitch. Oh, yeah, that's not, that number's not right. That number's not right. Let's say 70 through 70 through 80. James, there's no way that's 77. I am looking at it right now, and I'm telling you right now.

I'm going to count, Treve, you give out your, Jake, you count the bold in it. Everyone knows I'm an acclaimed counter. Yeah. Treve, who's this pitcher you're putting in? I mess with relievers. I think this guy needs a little bit of light shine on just how good he was. Don't do that.

No, don't do that. I'm doing it. He's my friend. He's my friend. I've shared things with this man, many things with this man. I really, really like it. And he has, if you really know him, you know you put S's at the end of both of his first and last name. It's Joe's Nathan's welcome to the Hall of Fame.

I can't believe what you guys have done here. Go check it out. I'm still counting. So you guys talk. Go check it out. Go check out what this guy has done, James, and compare him to other pitchers. This guy's, if there's any relievers in the hall, this guy needs to be one of them. There's just no doubt about it.

So congratulations, Joe's Nathan's. And he is a part of the bold. He had 61 games finished in 2006. I think that's the only one. So. Welcome, Joe. Barry Bonds. Already a Twins Hall of Famer.

Sure. Barry Bonds. Arod. Andrew Jones. Manny Ramirez. Scott Rowland. Roger Clemens. Joe Nathan.

And with the... I have one bold thing I need to clear up. Yes. Were you counting his Cy Young Award and one MVP as bolds? No, no. Okay. Then I have a number. number. What do you have? I have 67. That could be true. Okay. Because at one point, I went, I knew I was at a 9.

You might have jumped 10. I knew I was at a 9. And I just jumped. And I was like, was that 59 or 69? What did I say? Okay. Well, Rollo in the chat got 66. Tom Ace got 63. We're not a counting community. Um, okay. Guys, Barry Bonds, Arod, Andrew Jones, Manning Ramirez, Scott Rowland, Roger Clemens, Joe Nathan. And with the eighth pick, I abstain. I'm a small hog. guy. I can't believe you guys did that. I really respect that. The one thing I proud myself is being a small hall guy. And you guys already polluted it and diluted enough. I am messing with it. So we're out. Billy Wagner also is into. I just added that. No. No. We have our way. Unless he was your

friend. We have our crew. Um, you know. All right, fine. Joe Nathan over Billy Wagner. Want to know why? Singers. Oh, the comments are going to not like it. Because he's a, Billy Wagner's are lefty and I'm sick of all these lefties getting, you know, all the sad stories about being lefties. Yeah. Okay. You know, learn how to do that right. Some people will have to wait till next year.

Ortiz. You have to just wait it out. Again, I know I said no pictures would ever be in my Hall of Fame and then I voted for one. Yeah. Yeah. And you lobbied for another. You got to play both sides of the ball. Todd Hellen has to wait.

another year Kurt Schilling Sammy Sosa Could you tell the story of baseball Without saying Sammy Sosa's name Yes, you just use Mark McGuire to tell the same story And another player in the division Another guy in the division

Challenged him Yeah But that didn't stop Big Mac That's our official ballot I hate it Wait can I be honest with you guys Yeah This is and if Kyle's going to clip this

Like include this clip Oh, we got to be careful with these clips. Talk to Kyle. Yeah. You're going to need the tone of the whole show to understand this one. Tell Kyle not to just post this. Please. Yeah, please don't.

Don't actually. Don't do like a ballot. Yeah, please don't. But if you do do a clip, include this. I think every single one of these people that I have in front of me on this 22 baseball Hall of Fame ballot should be in the Hall of Fame. Like every single person. Carl Crawford?

Yeah. Wow. Every single word. You want to know why? You just, because they're really good. You just think. The Baseball Hall of Fame should be baseball reference. Big Hall.

You kind of have just like a, if you played for 12 years, you're a Hall of Famer. Hall of Baseball. And we're really, yes, it's still to be really good. All these guys are really good. Sorry. All of them. Every single one of you, MF,ers, you're in my Hall of Fame if I'm doing a separate one. So I have a big triangle like we talked about.

Mm-hmm. And that's like, you know, the hall. And it starts out kind of wide. It starts out with Joe Nathan and Scott Rowland and Harold. and Harold Baines You know, then you get to the Meteor guys, Andrew Jones, because he just got so much love.

The end is Babe Ruth, like you said, obviously. No, no, no. Oh, you're right, Trev, Babe Ruth and Jeter, side by side. Nope. And then there's Hallways for each team. And then you can go down the Tampa one, and there's Carl Crawford, awesome. Him and Evan Longoria and Trevor Plouffe are there.

Yes, Trep. I'm in the hall. I just, gosh. I have some controversial statements, and I think you're really mad at me. Awesome. Yeah. Just clip them. If you didn't play integrated ball, you're out.

Okay. Ooh. Okay. You're out. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I understand what you're saying. Here's my Hall of Fame.

Are you ready? Ready. You got 20-year decades. And in those 20, there's 20. There's 20 halls, right? 20 halls. Well, no, there's as many halls as decades, but 20, like, you know, from... 20-year halls of decades.

Yeah, from like 1900 to 1920. From 1920 to 1940. Scores. Four-score? Is that 20 years? No, a score is... Five years? A score is a...

A score is not as many years as you think it is. Maybe you just said it was 20. No, I know, but whenever I think, I think, like, that must be a long time. It's got a cool name. Because we only hear about it. Four scores. So, yeah. So you have scores of hallways.

Covered in scores. Yeah. Bam. And then you just have the best players. Like, you know, you have a lineup from each 20 decades. The all score teams. I have Ken Burns' baseball reference documentary. That's the Hall of Fame.

If you were mentioned in that. Was Sammy mentioned? Yeah. that's my Hall of Fame okay wow this sucks no wonder nobody wants to vote for the Hall of Fame no the Hall of Fame I mean I hate the Hall of Fame

I'm glad that we did this I kind of despise everything about the voting process and the two of the more respected writers you'll meet Howard Bryant and Jeff Passon both do not vote on the Hall of Fame anymore because it's the least fun conversation you can have

people in the chat relax I don't you know they're like really bad that I said nobody before integration should be in yeah our chat sometimes doesn't understand the tone of the show at all which I'm just kidding that like like Fayo says like obviously

a lot of those guys didn't have any choice over that stop responding seriously to that I agree Barry Bonds Arod Andrew Jones Manny Ramirez Scott Rowland Roger Clemens Johnathan our official ballot thank you

Thank you to the MLBBLWB for allowing us to have a say this year. That's huge. That's huge. Rosenthal out. I know this is so disrespectful. Oh. But on that episode with the writers, they rip off that acronym, and I don't know what it is. And every time they just said it like that, I'm like, what?

BBWAA. What is it? BBWAA. BBBWAA. Those don't flow. And there's too many letters there. And baseball writers Association of the Association. I miss the association.

But I'm like, man, that sounds like a nerdy lunch group that you're like, you guys really call yourself that? You don't think it rolls like that? I think it rolls off the tongue pretty good. I'm shot. You got to get into a rhythm. I just like that world and like the baseball voting world is just like, ugh. Sure. It is the nerdy lunch group.

It is, yeah. Can you just call it as a joke? There should just be like, I think five letter acronyms have to become the acronym that you sound out. like SWAT is only four, but like that type of thing. You get four letters if you're going to make me say each letter. Once you get to have a fifth letter, I better be able to turn this into a word, otherwise I'm not saying them all.

That's my thoughts on acronyms. So BBWBA, too many letters. Okay. Thank you guys for allowing me to say that. Let it out, man. That was awesome. Tell that mean ocean. I got so many thoughts on linguists.

No. Can't go down that road. Wait, so BB. B-B stands for baseball? Yeah, that's, I mean, that's the dumb part. Okay, that's why we're, I have an easy fix. B-W-A-A, B-W-A, B-W-A, B-W. B-A.

You remember of B-A? Yeah, why have two B-Bs? I mean, they definitely tried that, and then the riders were like, we sound dumb when we say, blah. B-W-A-A-A. How can you be a member? or blah. Does that exist?

Oh, that's the boxing. That's why boxing. Boxing. Boxing beat baseball. Boxing writers association of America is blah. They beat box. Boxing beat him to the boss. I mean, your writers just come up with it. Something different don't make two Bs on a word that's just one B.

Yeah. When you, when you. I'm glad that we've understood that my frustrations are real. They're just done like BWA. We didn't need the of America. Great point by Twapel 1, 2, 3 in the chat. Dude, Twyple, 1, 2, 3 in the chat. Why should they all be American B?

Said, by that logic, shouldn't it be MLB then? Yeah. Yes. And that I kind of like. Oh, blah, blah, blah. How'd you sound? MLB. Oh.

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Thanks to Manscaped. What's the other topic we had on our list here? MLB Network doesn't renew Ken Rosenthal. Honestly, I'm not like a serious response. to that. How do you watch, I feel bad for any host that talks on MLB Network now because, one, you're completely neutered in your opinions and thoughts that you can publicly state. Because Rosenthal didn't even say them on MLB Network.

It was an athletic article he wrote. It wasn't even, I believe, right? I think he might have said stuff on MLB Network. I believe it was when he was being critical of the COVID Times. He was, I think he was basically saying like they're using this COVID time to negotiate stuff, which we talked about. I thought it was the athletic article that were really upset about. But, but anyway, if you're, you know, a pundit now, obviously there's always the allure that you guys can't talk bad. And there's the thought.

And they can say, no, you know, this is how I truly feel. But they can't even say that now. It's gone. MLB pulled the curtain away. And why would you listen to that? I like MLB Network. I like a lot of the hosts. That's why I feel bad for them because for MLB to publicly put this out there,

the PR about Rosenthal's like, well, you can't put any stock into anything they say on any matter regarding the league versus the players or the league's decisions on rules or the league's decision on punishment. Like they have to say what they have to say. and it's in the open now. Yes, if you disparage us, we will fire you. So they may have been neutered before, but now it's a known thing.

That sucks for them and for the viewer. I mean, I, how hard can we go in on them right now? I don't know. To me, MLB Network is background TV anyway, so it's just going to continue. to be that. And that's no offense. Like you said, James, there's a lot of really talented people to work at MLB Network. But to have that in the back of their head now, I think a lot of them are going to be thinking about what, what's going on here? What am I doing here? You know? Is it, I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. It was just that. It was background TV. And it'll continue to be that. It's nothing right now that I don't even have any programming on. But Penny is. They don't have anything? well they have just it's nothing reruns of nothing yeah there's certain stuff i love if lighter's talking about pitching or breaking down the player like that's a i will put on the tv and watch that so

there was talented talented people there i mean look we we've taken one of them from them see rose is extremely talented and he was there for a long time you know obviously kenny is extremely talented what i loved about the whole kenny situation though um was the outpour from all the different sectors of baseball. They were just complimenting him and saying what a good person he is because he is. And if you've ever had an interaction with him, you know what everyone's talking about. I just like that it was from writers. It was from baseball players. It was from fans. It was from everywhere. And I think Kenny's got to be feeling pretty good about himself. Even though like this just happened, bad thing for him, whatever, he's got to feel like, hey, I kind of won this situation here.

Yeah. Like you're saying, Treve, it came from everywhere. I mean, Joe Buck, you know, good. A lot of people that probably didn't have to have to come out and say it, but they wanted to because they love and respect who Ken Rosenthal is. And, I mean, Kenny, he's still, you know, the other side of this, I mean, Kenny's still associated with, like, he's still going to be around baseball a lot. So it's not like we're losing Ken Rosenthal. He does all the athletic stuff, too. But, yeah, I mean, it's just, when you put it all together, it makes so much sense.

I mean, whether you want to connect it to MLB owning the baseballs, an MLB owning and controlling MLB network. Like they think that is the best way to run their sport by having this like weird control, like, I don't know, communism. I have no idea, but it's not right. Like that's why we're seeing problems with the baseball. That's why we're seeing media coverage that's like getting muted.

So, yeah, I mean, it's impossibly not good for the sport. Like who was sitting at home the other day Or who's been sitting at home the past recently And he's like oh so players don't know what baseballs they're using That's good for the sport Oh Ken Rosenthal's out That's really good for baseball I'm happy So yeah I mean it's just full circle

On some stuff that they're clearly missing Because they've put on big horse blinders And that's the world they want to live in So good for them That's actually a good great question. Has there been coverage about the baseballs on MLB network, right? Like they covered that story.

I don't know. Anybody in the chat, can you please tell us, have you seen that covered on MLB network? Because that'd be something. I'd assume that they had to have touched on it, right? Yeah, I don't know. I mean, we, during the season, we did have MLB Network on the TV like all the time because it's just good to gain insight, hear the updates and all that, but we don't know. We just have sequence with Trevor Plouf on repeat that's where we get our insights and knowledge

RIPP maybe the real deal ripped torn yeah I mean what do you I don't know can he has so many gigs like someone in the chat said Jake yeah he's around someone in the chat said two different baseball's question mark so I guess maybe it hasn't become a big enough story but we talked about it

yeah they used two different baseballs but guys didn't know what they hit or we're throwing well yeah and sometimes they just dumped old balls into the new balls hey travin luck hits one to the wall and doesn't know dude were your teammates with bassett i was you like him i do he you know he was hurt the year i was there and i was only there for um a short time but yeah he's great like great uh great vibe like great personality great person in the clubhouse we had a really good clubhouse when i was there like we had a lot of fun characters, good dudes.

The people. The actual clubhouse probably a shithole. The actual clubhouse is bad. Like really bad. But the people were awesome. So you have to take a warm baths and soup cans instead of like a hot tub? We did have the and this is like probably common way back when we had the hot tubs and the cold tubs in the shower. It's kind of a weird thing. It doesn't seem very sanitary to me, which is kind of the whole theme. because sometimes there's sewage running through the drugout. But, you know.

I didn't have a locker next to Ricky Henderson there. Pretty cool. Bassett's the perfect example of the guy you see and you're like, oh, yeah, tall, kind of lanky, kind of goofy pitcher. And then you hear him talk and you realize like, oh, you're one of the best athletes to ever come out of your hometown. Like, he's got like reverse swag. Like, he's just a confidence.

he's obviously confident. The dude's been nasty the past like four seasons like he's a very good Major League baseball player but sometimes we get lost at home because we see bat flips or guys we think are cool

or we hear someone on YouTube trash talk pictures all the time and you're like oh Chris Bassett's like the man Well I fell in love with him on our last episode of Talking Yanks and that came out yesterday even though we pre-recorded it and then he was on Rose Rotation. I was like damn

I just really like his Twitter because he's just doing it Tweeted on January 1st Give us some tweets from Chris Bassett It's it's uh On January 1st What time did he send this?

If it's if it's a Yes Yes Hell yes Chris Bassett 12.3 a.m. January 1st 2020. Let's freaking get it.

Hmm. Hmm. Like say what's on your mind, Chris. What a tweet. Let it out. Um, Trey Lance has no clue who Debo Samuel is. That's just good Bay Area sports.

That's just fantasy football. Yeah. He's pissed. He's letting that out. Needs a catch. The Rose Bowl never disappoints. No, but I do like how he's active on Twitter. He's a sneaky, good-looking guy, too.

Just want the Yankees to trade for him. He had some good comments on, I guess he was on toe in the slab, talking about metrics. and he says that like that's what he was on that rose rotation he's on tonus lap my bad yeah he said um he's on in october he said you know analytics don't don't like me like i don't have the best spin rate and i'm considered an anomaly he goes but are you an anomaly if you do it year after year after year and i love that because that i mean that's all throughout baseball like guys you aren't supposed to be good they don't have the best exit velos or you know their babup is too high it's going to regress but

every single year it's the same Tim Anderson. So it's... Yeah, it's... I love it, man. He has a really good disposition. Pretty good looking. Yeah. Not Matt Olson. No, I mean, it's a tall guy good looking. Like some tall guys... He's like a bigger... He's like a big guy.

Some tall guys get away just by being super tall. Like, he's got a pretty good look for a tall. Oh my gosh. Like if he was six... Six one, six two, you'd be like, all right. Yeah. I mean... To all people have built-in confidence. That's what it is.

With the black guy, he looks pretty awesome. Yeah. Fast and the furious vibes. I want to say this. Clear it up. I did see in the chat that MLB network or MLB.com at least had talks about the two different balls. It's huge. That's great.

Thank you. All right. I think that's the episode. I'm glad that our votes got in. I'm glad that we all got to see each other, you know? reply below and rank our Hall of Famers 1 through 8 including the abstain vote

That's up I wish they did it serious On social media I wish it did a serious vote Who's idea was this This is stupid Yours And it was a fantastic idea

I just wish you guys didn't Fuck up the ballot so much I did Alex Rodriguez That's like he has to be in But then who'd you do next? Oh my friend you know that's coming good ball player love joe nathan joe's nathan says people that know call him you know what's jose nathan and nobody wagner's tough well i wanted both but jo's my friend joe's

nathens what sucks for him is when he got to how many saves is it the big number whatever it was 300 300 no idea it's a big number yes i don't know the highlight is it is the pitch that, like, bounced in the Empire called a strike on Benzobrist. Oh, I remember that. Everyone's like, what the hell is going on? So it's not like a cool strikeout where, like, people are cheering. That's baseball. Is it 300?

I feel like it's 500. He finished with 377. I think. So maybe he passed one. Moen Hoffmer. I have the only ones with 500, and Moa is 600, too. I was thinking that closers get more saves in a good year than, pitchers get wins

and a 300 club for a starting pitchers the thing so the closures must be higher but I guess a lead of the elite Was Joe Nathan like a big dog Big Dog when you were a young blood trev Because from the year you got drafted 04 to 08 He had a 183 ERA for five seasons

He was the man Yeah He was automatic When I uh 2010 he got hurt in spring training and it was like somebody sucker punched us. Like, he was our guy. Like, you get a lead, it's over.

Like, that was, you know, it's a rarity to really have that stability at the back end of your bullpen. So, and just like stand-up dude, like always treated me super cool. You know, we've shared a lot of... Should we make a Hall of Fame? Yes.

You know, like, there's like, I was thinking, like, the state of Minnesota probably has a Hall of Fame as well as the twins have a Hall of Fame, as well as the Vikings have a Hall of Fame. I mean, there's like the Irish New York Hall of Fame. I think for baseball players. Like Florida is in like the Irish.

Italian American. There's like Italian American Hall of Fame. It's not copyrighted? Can we make Jamo Media Hall of Fame? Yeah. And it's a small hall. I think we can do whatever we want. It's a unique hall.

There's, there's halls. What are we going to? Jake and I get a vote each. Points. Every year. And then everyone else has to come up with one person. Collectively. Fuck that hall.

That's not a... I mean, my hall of goats, I think, is still, like, my best idea ever. Just people that are fucking awesome. Eddie White. RIP. I thought you were talking about goats. Regis filmed. There's a couple actual goats.

Who? Well, there will be one. The Cubs goat that curse them? All-time goat. Well, it's a couple. was his name. Coates. Those that knew him, you put s on the end of his name.

God's say. Like Jake's story alleys? Actually, you know, my high school coach did that too. Trevor's ploose. Why is that a thing? I don't think it is. Bluffs. Ploose.

Yeah, but he only did it last name. He didn't do it first name. Yeah, you just heard it. Yeah. Like, you just get old and you get worn out. your mouth you don't control your mouth enough to stop the S from coming out

poofs we're running poles yeah that's what it is or maybe it leads back to some childhood trauma James you had a speech impediment when you were a kid what the fuck is that about let's go J.P. Crawford ah Adam Fraser

trade next step where to go again The one thing I love about the games. Like the fit. Jake sucks. You over-team it, bro. You're a peeking of a light. You could bat Frazier at the top of the lineup.

You can move them down at some depth. Cover an exception. Depths. Talk to Matt Chapman last night. Oops.