Talkin' Baseball (MLB Podcast) - 442 | Longest Lockout in MLB History

Episode Date: January 10, 2022

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Hello and welcome to talking baseball. We got some new coaches. We got some other stuff. It's the longest lockout ever. Trev's mad. Let's talk about it. Welcome to Talkin Baseball. My name's Jimmy.

Sitting next to me is Jake. Trevor in the middle. Company from California and BBD behind the dish. It's brought to you by Draft Kings. And yeah, it's the longest lockout in MLB history. according to producer BVD who read it somewhere else because that sounds so crazy to me

the previous record was 32 days in 1990 it was I think we're at 41 days now damn damn Trev how do you feel about that you said it was going to make you mad right off the rip congratulations we did it like way to go

you self-induced a lockout can't talk about players or teams while a bunch of other sports are shining. You're just in the corner all by yourself. You don't want to dance. You're a wallflower, and I don't like that. I'm not a big wallflower guy. If you're a wallflower guy, I'm one of the guys that's going to pull you on to the dance floor,

gets you a little uncomfortable, but as soon as you get out there and you see, it's not that big of a deal. It's kind of how I feel about it. I want to pull baseball off the wall and start doing a little dancing with it. Because we need to play. It's fun. baseball's cool guys i enjoy it jake's not a wallflower he's a dancer how are you feeling jake with one headlight i'm doing well i'm a good good niffle weekend normally can't talk about other

sports but baseball's forcing our hands uh you got to have a good commissioner like roger godell uh running your sport but yeah i'm i'm doing all right you know you got to find other activities was whooping up in Trev on Pong on the iPhone a little bit actually wait a note Trev was waxing me and then I beat him the last game

so 1 and O in our last Pong game and then he refused to play me yeah you remember five straight once I subbed out my starting pitcher went from thumb to the pointer game change five straight but yeah I'm doing well

baseball trying to leak out some news and yeah I've got another tidbit Gotta be careful with that word on this show. BPD's longest lockout ever. Since the last times, the last times the side spoke about core economics, it is further away, so it's 41 days. The last time they talked is further away than it is to pitchers and catchers reporting. So that's since the last time they've spoke.

There's a larger gap. So it's not looking good. Not looking good, fellas. It's not looking good. Self-induced people. Self-induced. Trev, I hate to give you this news, but you're not coming through your mic.

You're coming through your AirPods or you're coming through something. I think it's the native. Yeah. Native. I know that's a bummer to hear. Better than the AirPods. Oh, wow. But I just want to let you know.

Sometimes you don't like when we don't tell you. And then at the end, you're like, what the hell? Tell me. Tell me. So happy you told me. I just fixed it. Crisp. There's my sultry beautiful voice people.

You look like Ice Cube. Yeah, you look nice. Trap beat me in Cup Pong as well. He sucked. He was doing so bad. And then he had like one four cup round where he got balls back or a three cup round where got balls back. I lost my shot.

He kind of iced me out. It's kind of like a muscle memory thing. And then he delayed a response. And then I was in the car when I had to start. And I completely, started going short every time. So I see your strategy, Trev. It is a muscle memory game.

If you make a few in a row, you can get that trajectory, right? But I'm now, I've now moved on with Jake to battleship. So, James, that'll probably be our next thing. It's miserable and I don't like it. Thank you. Is it a battleship? Yeah. Jake and I did that on playing once and we were like, that sucks.

We quickly remember it's a child's game. Yeah, like, did. boss. It's not a child. There's strategy in it. You just don't know. It won't even let you touch the ships if you want to do funny business. So I'm out.

Wow. And it's your move, of course you can. I got to teach you out of play. You're one of those people that watches. You're one of those casuals that watches baseball. It's like, it's boring because you don't have a strategy.

The game literally doesn't let you touch them. I tried. And it said like, a legal board. Travis says you can. Try to put all my ships in one area. I'm going to like that. That's good naval maneuvering.

Attack. Baseball news is light, fellas. We don't got much. Not light for the ladies, but it's light. Ladies got some news. Like Scherzer came out and said some stuff. So I was excited to hear if he said anything worth talking about.

And he didn't. Just the same thing over and over. I mean, I'd almost rather them start fighting so we can become a labor pod then just keep us in the dark and say they are not talking and there's no news. Now the second longest lockout, did they miss games? That was 90 season? 1990.

What about that 80 season where they... I think that was technically a strike. I don't think they've missed games. I don't think they've missed games from a lockout. They've missed games from a strike. It becomes a strike. Oh, man. So a lockout is owner-induced a strike.

strike is player induced. Yes. So, okay, I have a question then, Trev. So come spring training say there's no agreement. Would the owners to get the public favor say, okay, we ended the lockout? It's a strike. And then it becomes, then the players say, well, we're still not playing. And then the semantics of it become a strike and not a lockout.

And then it's the public hears the players. are striking instead of the owners locking out? Because the owner's locking out to miss games is a bad look. It's actually a great question. I don't know the exact answer to that. When does it become a strike? I don't think the owners can just play, oh, now it's a strike ball in your court.

I don't think that's how it works. Maybe there needs to be some formal proposal by them. Usually it's got to be negotiated in good faith, but we know that's... What if they send over an offer and they're like, this is our offer lockout over, and then the players either have to sign it or strike. Because if that's the situation,

that's what MLB is waiting for. And if they do something like that, they're just absolute buffoons and I'll be pissed. If you just wait, if you wait out the entire off season, send over a bullshit offer just to get a PR play on the players, I might show up to MLB offices. What can I do without harming people?

Like, do I need to just go stand out there and make some noise? Like, what do you got to do, guys? Tie yourself to a statue, wear clown mask? Man, I mean, I'm thinking about it because I'm getting a little mad now. I don't like it. What happens when Daddy gets mad? Daddy takes his medicine. Yeah, boy.

Yeah, man. I don't know. It's, it's, you know, you guys. I'm 32 now. I'm an adult. People are always shocked by that number. No deadline. There's no deadline.

I saw, I was reading how the first soft deadline is coming up with spring training. Guess what? That's nothing. That's nothing. And yeah, we're just, the players are waiting, you know, their expert negotiators have told them to let the league make the next move. the league's move is not making a move. And here we are, 41 days. Yeah, I mean, we need spring training because we have a lot of fun plans.

Love spring training. Planning. I'm going to Arizona spring training for the first time. I never been. Never been. And they can be taking that away from all of us. I'm going to be mad. I'm going to be mad.

We'll host our own spring training like Boris did, like Scherzer and Cressy did. yeah maybe might have to do that and just do those first couple days of spring training where guys just do like high knees for 90 feet and then they wave and they're like that's it yeah that'll be our spring training

that'll be our content I'm starting to get pissed I'm gonna find out about that question James I don't believe the owners have that play since the CBA expired I don't think there's anything to strike well okay I don't know I agree the strike means you have a you have

have a labor agreement and you're striking. So I agree with that. There's no labor agreement, yeah. But the spin, it doesn't seem like that's plausible. If it is, let us know. The spin side, Trev, is that if games are missed, it will be due to the lockout, which is the owner's missing games, which is probably what M. BPA wants. So we, we've known the owners want to, they'd like to play less games.

Dude, if they miss games, that they're going to pro-rary the games. Oh, they need to start talking. That's, you're all over. Like if there's a, if they're going to have the whole scenario where they're mad at each other for a month in the press, you got to start that now. If that's not an option and you're secretly meeting right now, which I still, the rare time I'm optimistic.

You're weird the optimistic about that. that whole situation, James. It's not like you. It's not like me at all. But I just not talking at all, they can't be not talking at all. I don't, that does not pass the sniff test for me one bit. Negotiating 101. Make the other side make the move.

Yeah, but like, but like even when we've been in negotiations with people here and, you know, we're not like, that's a non-starter, that's not starting. You're still talking. Still sending text. I just sent a text yesterday about, uh, a negotiation that's been stalled for two weeks and said, hey, why are you guys stalled? And they responded.

So that's communication. That's talking. That's talking. I don't know if that's happening. I think that's happening. There's no way. That'd be so pathetic if that's really, if they're really not discussing anything at all.

It sounds to me like that's actually the case, James. I mean, I've kind of asked around like, really, no one's talking, no one's talking. And that's what I've gotten. Again, I'm outside the walls. I'm not in the, you know, in the bargaining committee, obviously. But people who are in have told me that nothing's going on. That's disappointing.

I, you know, I just, yeah. You know what it is? Because if that's true, I'd say a lot of things that would get me probably like, you know, bad relations with both sides. So in my, for the, the goodness of John Boy Media, and we're friendly with MLB and we're friendly with MLBPA, I got to believe they're secretly discussing things to keep myself in check.

Maybe that's the rationale behind it. Right after the Super Bowl. Can I say something then to piss both sides off? Because I mean, they're both pissing me off. How about that? I'll just say that. Both sides. You're pissing me off right now.

And you're pissing the fans off. Quentin Hübner's back in the chat. I haven't seen him in a while. What's up, Quentin? I bet he's pissed off too. Go Stroes. Ghost Rose I think I'm officially upset

Okay Wow on record You think they're trying to steal it from the Super Bowl You think like the one as soon as the Super Bowl ends They announce Imagine if they were that much in line If they were smart I mean

We just had we have no data points for that If they were smart How big of excitement there was going into the lockout If they were smart And secretly meeting on a rooftop. Yeah. It probably be the top level, not the rooftop.

Because I have the rooftop you can be seen. Hmm. So maybe it's a basement. No, it's the roof. It's the top floor. The top floor. Or the floor before the top floor because you'd expect the top floor. Well, it's the top floor that has rooftop access,

but they're not going to the top. I think they go to the top floor and then the two people, Clark and Manfred, they go. down to the second to last floor. I haven't heard them referred to as Clark and Manfred. Clark and Manfred. Yeah. Two-man crew.

That's pretty good. I think it would be Manfred and Clark. It rolls off the tongue better. Anyway, if they were smart, they'd say, hey, we're not beating football. We're not beating the Super Bowl. The lockout was perfect. We let all the other sports do their thing. as soon as the football season ends,

we got to take back over. We say lockout up, CBA signed, all the trades, all the rest of the signings. Boom, boom, boom, Korea, Kershaw, boom, boom, boom, trade, Olsen to the Yankees, Mania to the Yankees, Basset to the Yankees, all that good stuff we're waiting for. Happens.

What were all those ones that were happening? Scher. Yeah. Going to the Brewers? I meant Schwaberg. Is that way BBD's wearing that happen? I meant Schwarber. Similar names. You're going to say that would be a crazy fucking move.

That would be baseball would be on fire. So if they were smart. You know what pisses me off? That's what they did. Yeah. Yeah. What pisses you off? Let's all let's all let it out. Let's go.

It's a new year. I'm going to get my mad dog on right now. Well, it pisses me off. Nick Belenda. And he's on our stupid, stupid thing. I don't know who that is. Listen What a life

Envious The reason That we're not having baseball right now Is not because of some tough issues They can't figure out The reason we're not having baseball The sport's not in peril The sport's really good

And they're just deciding How to spread out that goodness And we can't even talk about that It's not even like hey The sport is bad We have no money It's dying It's not happening

Like that narrative is bullshit We all know that. We tell you that. They're fighting or not, they're not even fighting. They're not talking. They can't figure out how to spread out the money.

Forget about making the game better because that's what this really should be about. When you come to an end of agreement, let's make the game a little bit better, find ways to engage fans more. They're not even talking about that. They're not talking about anything, but the reason they're not talking about that

is because they can't figure out how to divide the money, which is plentiful, it's bountiful, it's full of fruit, it's fruitful. That's what makes me mad because we need to think about other stuff. I was watching that football game last night. We're talking about football a lot today. It was incredible to see. One thing I've talked about this with baseball, there's a lot of things wrong with it, the gameplay. I know people might get mad to me saying that.

But the one thing I've said before on this show, and I stand by it, where baseball kind of misses the mark. It's the only sport where the best player doesn't have the ball necessarily at the end of the game when it's crunch time. And we're having to go up against that. Like last night was so fun to watch in football. There's all these scenarios, and we're just sitting around not talking about how to divide up all this money. So you think the NFL had a better day yesterday than MLB?

Depends what team you were. Gonna fight you. It depends what team you were reading. The Chargers fans, not really. but what giants The Giants didn't fire Gettleman He resigned Retired

Retired That's how soft the giants are They're like hey we're going to fire you But we'll let you save face Just retire I don't know man Cool if MLB worried about saving face a little more Be nice

Just a little bit Just yeah So the outside world doesn't think they're a total joke Honestly Give us a pat on the back MLB is just lawyers everyone in M.O.B is a lawyer. And lawyers are professional time killers.

Yeah. They're professional. Let's drag this out people. There's literally lawyers jobs. Sorry if you're a lawyer and you're listening, but also not sorry at all. It's 100% true. When I talk to my accountant,

when I talk to my accountant, I go like this, hey, Jeff, this is what a, okay, bye. Because if I don't do that, they're going to just keep you online. charge you. I know. I talk to my lawyer, the same thing. He knows it, though. That's why I hired him

instead of someone else because he didn't ask me about my personal life at all. He's like, all right, I'm not going to waste your time. This is by, 10 minute call. But they're professional. Let's waste as much time as we can. And that's all MLB is, the commissioner, the owners, the whole front offices. It's all lawyers. So all they do is know how to drag things out for money. They fight over money while dragging things out to get more of the money. Money. And Howard, this is a labor lawyer pod. Speaking of money.

All of my friends are lawyers, by the way. Yeah, I have a lot of lawyers in my life too. Yeah, because when my friends were coming out of school, it was like no jobs to get. So everyone just stayed in school and they became lawyers. That's like a true story. That's pretty smart. I have probably four or five, six friends.

I'm trying to think now that are lawyers. My immediate friend group. Stanford lawyers, huh? Proud alumni like yourself. No Stanford guys. I mean, look, that's tough to get into that school. Super tough. All right.

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Where do you guys want to start? Do you want to start about how Brad Osmyss got hired? No. Because I think you start and end, you just say that that happened, then you move on, right? Good catcher. A's bench coach. You know him, Trev? You ever interacted with him?

Osmiss. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, he was the manager of the Tigers when I was with the twins. So I got to, you know, play against him quite a bit. I do have some fond memories of him. He bought me a drink at a bar one time. And if you do that, you're basically like in with me forever, unless you do something stupid. Notes to the listeners.

So he was always a nice guy, very respectful. I think he's a good baseball mind. So he goes to Oakland. It's him and Katsay. Yeah. That's a nice one-two punch right there. Trevor guys will like it We're talking about Brad Osmos Bonds

As we often do on this show A, Connecticut guy So you know that speaks to me Cheshire, what's up? Not Cheshire For your Hobbit fans Not Cheshire for you cat fans But Trev, I mean I don't want you guys to be like Tide at the hip

I'd watch that actually You guys both have The same bold on your player reference page. Oh, baby. Brad Osmiss led the league in double plays in 2002. You got to hit the ball hard and be a lot of games. And you got to start a lot of games.

Shout out Braddie. Three gold gloves for Brad. Whoops. Really? Yeah. Did he really? One time all star, babe. 1999 times were good.

Yeah, I don't know. You don't know? I don't know. Yeah. He bought me a drink at a night. nice bar in uh in birmingham in detroit what do you buy in there i think he got me in old fashion you know i don't drink liquor but i did that night it's awesome i don't drink liquor but i do that makes sense we had some history being made with women in baseball um pretty cool one

is i'm going to go with the is rachel bockebec is that you say her name Bocavec or Bulkovich? Balkovich? I don't know. She's been promoted for a minor league hitting coach to manager of the single A short season Tampa Tarpins for the Yankees. She came on last year. Her story's cool. She sent out a resume.

I think the story she sent out a resume as Rachel and got no responses. Then she sent out as Ray and got a ton. So bad job by society there. A. That was the beginning of her baseball career? I believe so. She's been in the game for a long time. Yeah

That's hilarious That's brutal but I'm glad she did that Change her name to Ray And got a bunch of hits on it That's ridiculous Her and Alyssa Naken For the Giants

They're the two that are kind of Fast-tracking On the way up Up the MILB ladder Hopefully to the MLB ladder Yeah and we We had a day where we mixed it up with the Yankees

high A team and we asked about her and they had nothing but raved about her which is really cool and yeah she's going to be the manager so that's really exciting obviously we have our Yankees organizational ties

aka we're just we're fans so yeah I mean nothing to do but root for and yeah maybe maybe that's what this game needs maybe we need a we need a ladies touch in the front office maybe help get some stuff done

so we're not locked out so we play the games or maybe you know some lefty ladies that can huck it yeah there's a story about that too oh yeah big news first minor league big professional manager after getting our first GM last year and then in Australia

and we have a very jumbo media connection to this story because our good buddy, Peter Moylan, who's managing a team in Australia. Melbourne Aces for the first time have a pitcher on staff, a female, a 17-year-old with a nice curveball. She pitched, I think, first professional pitcher. What's the headline?

First professional appearance by a female? Yeah, I think like first professional for C-Mel to play professional baseball. Trabb, did you look at this at all? Like we have the fastball, curveball overlay from Pitching Ninja. Did you check this out? Genevieve, Beacon.

I did. You know exactly what I thought right when I saw it. You'd smack it. A soft throwing left. Yeah. I'm so happy for her. She's 17, which is actually, I think, even cooler.

I mean, it's not cooler. That means, a lot too. She's very young. But yes, I would smack that shit. You're a hitter. Don't take that out of context. I'm a hitter. You're a GD hitter. And he told me that, remember that little kid that told me he could get me out with this curveball and I said, oh, you're a lefty? Yeah. It's kind of the same thing. No, but it's really cool. I'm just, I'm just joking around. It's amazing. How hard were you thrown at 17, Trev? When you were in high school, because you were a pitcher, how hard were you throwing your

fastball? 9-2. Yeah, I was sitting like 92 to 94. That's awesome. Same. I looked it up. I was probably sitting more like 90 to 92, I would say that. I would say 90 than 92. I don't want to lie. 89 to 99. We're sitting 89.

No, I wasn't. Sitting. Your first round pick though. You're lazy. You're stoned as shit. I wasn't lazy, but the other part might be true. What time is it in Australia? Should we call Peter?

16 hours ahead or something like that? You used to have to do this math a lot. Peter. I want to talk about. our coach Rachel. Time in Melbourne. Five in the morning.

You think Peter's up? He's probably, yeah, he's got kids. Give him an hour. He's up. We might not be live anymore. I want to talk about Rachel. Okay. A little bit.

Because, you know, I love all the headlines as this is grabbing. Like you mentioned Alyssa with the Giants as well. It's just smart. If you're not looking into the female speech, to hire for your company, you're cutting off 50% of the people you can hire. Like, let's go get the best people for your organization.

And she is, that's exactly what she is. Her qualifications are incredible. It's ridiculous she had to send her name out as Ray. But she's been in the game for a long time. People don't know. 2012, I believe, is when she entered the game. I have a tweet up here. She's worked for the Cardinals and the Astros before the Yankees.

She's got two master's degrees. How do even do two master's degrees? You people. I love this. She learned how to speak Spanish, which is you have to. I think in today's game, if you're hiring someone to be a manager or even a hitting coach, you either have to have someone that's an assistant hitting coach that speaks Spanish or you need to learn.

And preferably, I would say you need to learn because you need to be able to communicate fully with these guys. I love it. I watched an interview she did with Brian Kenney. before the show. And she was kind of talking about her hitting philosophy and what she thinks about hitting. She comes from a kinesiology background. So she's, she's very much into like the tech when we're talking about, um, the biomechanics of your swing. I think, you know, she brings that aspect in. She also played. She was a division one catcher. So she kind of has a little bit of,

of both worlds. I think she went to drive line and did that whole thing. So like the qualifications are off the charts. And now she got a little bit of manager. duty, which is, which is interesting because it's different. I'm curious as I can't wait until after the season and they ask her how her year went because managing is different than coaching. It's you're not in the grind with the dudes all the time. Like you're kind of separate. You're walking around making sure everything's good. You're managing. It's essentially what you're doing. You're you're letting your coaches do what they do. And then you kind of study the ship. I think it's a good way to get her experienced with every facet to have every coach report to her what they're working on, what's going on.

So it'll help her jump to the next level, which I think they are like eyeing, you know. Yeah. Hearing her talk, she talks like a coach more than a manager. And that's like, that's not like a dish. That's actually like she understands what's going on. I think that she's probably maybe that's going to be her path. but who knows, man. Maybe she'll just love being the manager.

It's pretty cool. Like, I'm like, I think this is awesome. And it's been a long time coming. And here we are. Now we have a general manager. Now we have a manager. We have a major league coach. Like, I like it.

For all the dumb shit the baseball is doing right now, at least we got some of this. And I mean, maybe they should be promoting this a little bit more. Yeah. Other name that deserves a shout out, Kim Ag. Yep. for the floor to fish

and they're about to sign Cassiano once baseball ends the lockout. But yeah, really cool. And I guess the only thing I'd fight you with on Rachel's resume is, you know, she doesn't have the same resume as Sterling Montfort,

the son of the Rocky Zone. That's the only thing I'd kind of, eh? You know, what have you done? I mean, if your first name Sterling, then you're gonna... It's my future boss. Benefit from nepotism. It's my future boss.

There's no one named Sterling that hasn't. What happened to Sterling? What happened? The Rockies promoted Manfort's son to head of scouting. He's worked for no other organization and has no... This sucks because he could be qualified. Like, I have no idea. So I don't really want to, like, just talk shit because I have no idea.

But I believe he's worked for no other organization, nor has any experience that isn't provided because of his relationship to the Rockies. You know, even if he gets his first job due nepotism, fine. His dad owns the team or his dad's the team like blah, blah, blah, blah. Maybe send him around the league a little bit and then collect him back up for the scouting. But he is now director of professionally scouting. All right. Hold on.

I'm looking it up now. It's, he graduated from Arizona State, which is kind of hilarious. So he partied his ass off because I've been there. He's 30 years old. He's been working in baseball ops since he graduated. So I'm guessing,

what is that, like eight years? Yeah. Good math. A coaching assistant with the rookie league team in 2013. It's probably when he started. So he's been scouting since 2014. So, you know,

look, maybe he's qualified. And look, And we know an owner's son who is very qualified to jump into the baseball realm. So, you know, it could be one of those things. Just because, you know, your dad and whoever owns the team, maybe you don't necessarily like, you can be likable. I hope Sterling turns it around for our rocks and then he does the right move. Don't say our rocks. I'm not part of them.

I was speaking for Rocky's Nation when I resign with them. Okay. Yeah, I don't know anything about Sterling Montfort. But the optics of it are hilarious because everyone hates the Rockies right now, and everyone hates what they're doing with their front office. So it does look like in 2009, the Rockies, you drafted him in the 47th round. He got drafted by the Rockies. Yeah.

So, you know, it was a ball player. Well, we don't know that. I don't have a problem with, now that I've read into this, I'm going to say it right now. I don't have a problem with this. He's paid his dues, I believe. if what I'm reading is correct, he's been in the game doing it. Sounds like it's, they went about it the right way. They didn't just, you know, put this guy in charge of something he's never been a part of.

I'm going to add him on LinkedIn. Yeah, plus he went to ASU. If we go to spring training, maybe he'll show us around Rush Street. What's it called? Is that Rush Street? It might be Rush Street. It's not Rush Street. Oh, he got drafted out of high school.

Hmm. What's that street called? Is Rush Street in Chicago? Lake Street in Denver? I got shit-faced a few times, whatever street I'm talking about. Yeah, you did. Mill Ave? Do you hit a home run at course?

Blanken. No, I only played one series there. Hit the ball, though. Messed up. Hey, Treve, I have a question to ask you. Yeah. I think we've talked about a couple times, but I want to ask you about it again.

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It's not on the sheet I was given this morning. I don't get to be Minko anymore. Legal in New York now. It's cold. Man. That was my favorite part. Trev, the chat is saying that it's Mill Ave. I think that's in Arizona.

And then Rust Street is Shytown. I've been shit-faced on both those streets. So, you know, it gets a little foggy. No liquor unless he's drinking liquor, people. Super drunk, felon horse crap. Hey, Trev, here's my question. We talked about this with the San Francisco Giants, how they're hitting.

coaches changed the way they do P. And the Yankees are now doing this. They parted ways with their hitting coaches and they are promoting their minor league hitting coaches. The Yankees minor league team had a lot of success. Same with the Giants doing live A-Bs before games. Facing a pitching machine that's throwing 100-mile-per-hour fastballs and curve balls in the batters box before game.

Now, I know that you've talked about how, BP is just for show, just to get your confidence up, just to see 45 mile power pitches and hit bombs, and no one wants to get embarrassed in front of the fans that are watching BP. But this seems to be a thing that a lot of teams are doing, and obviously it makes a ton of sense. If you face 100 before the game, you're going to be a little more geared up to face 100 during the game. If you were a player still playing, or players that are your age, establish players that have been doing the same routine for the last. last, you know, 10 years in the minors and majors. How hard of a sell is this?

Is everyone going to buy in? Like the Giants, it seemed everyone bought in. There was a lot of reclamation projects where people were kind of like desperate. If you're Aaron Judge and you've been, or John Carlos Sand, you've been hitting like crazy, you've been really good. I guess Longoria would be a great person asked this since he was established and a good hitter. Will you buy in and say, okay, embarrass me in batting practice? Let's do it.

you know i think that stuff's been around a lot longer than we give it credit for high velo machines usually just in the cage yeah yeah putting it on the field is a little bit different and i i would say if you're a guy and you have that sort of um stature yeah you could say you know what i'm just going to take some i'm not going to swing i don't like this i have my routine i get it but most of the guys uh i mean not most of the guys coming up now they've just been exposed to it in the minor leagues and there's kind of what they're used to. So, yeah, it's, that's going to be the norm across the league within five years. Because it does help.

You're training your eyes. Like you said, Jim, you're going to face 100 miles an hour or not, you're going to face in the 90s during the game. You're going to face some sliders in the game. And instead of flipping up, you know, BP and getting your show hacks in, I mean, that's, that's all good and fun too every once in a while. But doing that every day doesn't prepare you for the game. You know, maybe, yeah, you get your.

your bat path right you're seeing the backdrop and what it looks like you're getting out there in the elements so you're feeling that that's important um and i don't think you need to do high velo and live at bats before every single game a mixture of it will be good i've always said and i tell people whoever you know i give lessons or what i don't give lessons anymore but when i did or i talked to young guys that are playing i tell them you need to go and get a high velo fastball machine crank it up as high as it goes and just watch pitches watch 100 pitches You're training your eyes. Your cadence will get to, you know, where it needs to be for the game.

And then you go out there and the pitches now all of a sudden don't just seem like they're blasting out of nowhere because, you know, you've just trained yourself a little bit better. I think it's, I think it's great. And I think, like I said, five years we're going to be seeing every single team do this. I mean, isn't the solution like let's take BP in front of the fans and kind of put on a show? Because that's essentially what it is a little bit. I mean, I know they do a little like, you know, hey, these. first five, let's go opposite field and you do that. But when you're throwing at 50 miles per hour, does that really matter?

I mean, go out, hit BP, get loose. Like, that's what BP is kind of about. And then you go under. And then you crank up the curveball machine or you crank it up to 120. My understanding is they're cutting out the BP that's at 45 miles per hour. It's T-work or high-ve-lo? I mean, I'm doing Bull. I guess I'm built a little differently than most teams.

Why then you'd be going against the coaches And that's what I'm asking Yes I think most guys Want to get better Yeah you can You can do stuff in the cages If you don't want to get out there

And get banged up in front of everybody You can do all the same stuff in the cages You're not going to see the ball flight as well Although some of the new cages They build them so tall So you can see the ball flight All these little things That are getting introduced

They're all good for hitters And good for players Like it's just trying to make guys better So yeah, there might be a little bit of pushback from some old school guys, you know, and that's fine. Like, that'll change over time and we'll start to see because you have to be able to adjust. I mean, it was one of the reasons I, you know, took a nosedive of my stats where they were pitching different. They're pitching at the top of the zone, high heaters. And you got to learn to, you know, work with what's going on in the game.

And I think this is a way to combat what the pitchers have been doing. You're getting, you can spin the crap out of those balls out of some of these machines. and you're seeing some nasty pitches. You can actually, what they do now is because we have all of the data on these pitches, the spin rate, the miles per hour out of the hand, and then miles per hour halfway, they can recreate pitches with some of these machines. So if you're going to see, you know, who's got a nasty slider, everyone's got a nasty slider.

You're going to see Jacob de Grom's Max Scherzer's slider. You can dial up his exact slider on these machines. on some of them. So, like, why wouldn't you do that, right? That's pretty cool. They should have that at games. Like, that starting rotation. Like, there's a batting cage available for the public.

You know, some places have that, but you dial up today's pitcher, stand in, and then you get hurt and then you sue them. In Cleveland, I don't know if they still have this. Cleveland's cages. We used to share cages in Cleveland. in their home side. They had a couple different things

they were interesting. They had the big screen with the hole in it where the ball would shoot out and they could project pictures onto that. We never got to use that as visitors, but you could project pictures on that, which is, it's really weird though. Like the timing is never right. So I think that never took off because of that.

Like it's always just a tad bit off. But they also had this thing. And this was, their high velo it was tennis balls and all these tennis balls had numbers on them and fuck if i know i don't understand this at all uh because again we never got to do it we just saw that they had this they would shoot high velo tennis balls i think they were color coded too and like your job was to be able to get the number in the color as it was shooting a thousand miles an hour at you i remember jacobobey elsbury doing like i test things on a light up wall and then vulpe the yankees

prospect was on toe in the slab with Connie and he talked about the numbers and the color identifying for the I-2. Arizona State throwback. I think Padroia was the first big name that did the tennis ball thing. It's crazy. It's just training your eyes.

I mean, that's a part of the game that people haven't figured it out necessarily. I guess we're starting to. You know, I am coach Trev. I do coach my kids. And for us, what I do to train the eyes is I'll throw the little wiffle balls, the little golf ball wiffle balls to these kids. And then I'll throw in the big ones and I'm like, look, this is what's going to happen.

I'm going to throw you these little ones. You're going to swing and miss a bunch. But we're training your eyes to see these small things. So when I throw a regular size wiffle ball to you guys, it's going to look massive and they all love it. They think it's so cool. And the DR, they do bottle caps. Exactly. And that's why that's why those guys rakes, little pebbles and rocks and bottle caps, dude. When I did a baseball camp in Australia when I was nine years old, that was the first time he had a bunch, the coach was an American that was just over there.

But he had a bunch of different colored balls. I was like nine. And it was the first time he did the drill where he threw and you had to just yell at the color. It's kind of fun. Yeah. I was going to say something else, but I forgot. I like that.

What did Chapman say about playing short? Oh. Uh, no, he basically said like, yeah, right. Hey, you just, I don't want to get too much. How did he phrase, yeah, right? He's like, yeah, right. I knew this is going to happen. I knew this is going to happen.

I'm not talking about my conversation with my boy. Okay. You're right. You're right? Was it more like your? He's loving life right now. He got married. He bought a house and I'm not saying where either, but he bought a house.

So he's got roots and, um, I'm happy for. He's in a good place. I'm happy for him too. Happy for him too. James Cap at that wedding. My guy, J.P. Sportman, CCS, What Up? What up? Yeah, you know, I'm not going to give you guys any more tips

because we do have something coming up that I don't want you guys practicing and getting better for. No more tips. Don't fucking worry about me. Yeah. I'm not fucking worried about you. You know. I seat you already, bro.

I've seen it. Your numbers against us aren't even that good, Treve. Bionic. We get you out at like a 200 clip. Silly game. Just need a couple outs. I think you're like eight for ten off us combined. Oh, man.

What else is going on, guys? I don't know. I'm trying to drag out the show because I thought of something while you were talking about throwing Teddy the little balls. And then I had something. forgot it, so I pivoted just to the Matt Chapman bait. I don't think I want to remember. I think it's gone forever. I don't fell for that.

You did fall for it. There's going to be headlines tomorrow by Pinstripe Alley and by the Oakland's blog spot. When Chapman on playing short. Yeah, right. Do we talk Sunday night baseball booth in here at all? I don't even think he actually said that. Okay, so strike that from the record. Strike that from the record. I'm not and I'm not going into my text and looking at what he said because I know that will happen Matt Chapman got a house and we're all excited for him and married and married that's big for you

and went on a honeymoon yeah where to go I don't know okay yeah yeah Sunday night baseball booth David Cohn friend of the program yeah and uh really good I mean I hope he doesn't get the Yankee hate at all because one played on a bunch of teams not just like a Yankee lifer but obviously been in the yes booth but really really good at mixing analytics and old school like

because what Connie was was a mentality pitcher like if you read his book it was all like mindset and not all but a lot of them like mindset and attacking the guy and knowing tendencies and changing it up but he also love the analytics like he says if you could have told me something and you told me it worked

at a whatever clip like I'd use it he's really good at talking about both the same time yeah he's good is the is the is the is the Arod K thing official or is that just like they're talking about it that's official Manning cast

Krod I'm gonna give it a chance because I do like Michael K so I'm not gonna sit and bash this even though obviously I'm not super stoked on the A rod thing I think Michael K's really good so I'll give it a chance It's just tough from the Yankees side, like for Sunday night baseball. Like, I love Kay.

I think Kay's great. And he's a friend of ours. So there is bias there. But I do like Michael Kay also biased because I'm a Yankees fan. But, you know, I mean, there's already backlash, like just a Yankees. Yikes fans are going to like that. It's the second Yankees. Like, I don't know.

They probably should have mixed it up. They should have mixed it up. Just get A-Rod out of there and do K and another. player or something. I don't know. I gave my two guys on baseball today who I said I think should be doing the Manning cast for baseball. Do you guys have two people who you'd like to see in there? Or is that too loaded of a question to hit you on a whim? Like two players?

Yeah. I mean, I would say players if I'm just going through the Manning cast like what they did. Well, I would want a pitcher and a hitter. and you'd want guys that were teammates for a long time. Eventually it'd be really cool. Teammates for a long time. Because Manningcast is because they have great rapport. They're brothers. They shit talk each other.

And they're like, that's the whole thing. Like down and this is... You can find that in personalities, though. Like the first name that popped up for me is C.C. And like he'll be real with anyone. Yeah. You know? He kind of does it on MLB Network.

They did like sister programming with him. This is, again, maybe. bad because it's teammates, but Yati and Wayno, if they were both out of the game, you know, Wainwright does stuff in the booth, but I think that would be fascinating because they would be talking about how they would pitch to that guy, and then you get a pitcher and a hitter's

perspective on certain things, and obviously they probably have a shorthand and a code and like a connection that would be just interesting to see how they communicate. So that was the first combo that jumped to my head. I too, I don't know if you watched it, but I did say, I said Wainwright and my other guy was McCutcheon.

Yeah. I think the hitter, pitcher thing, they face each other a lot. They're both good on social media and they can talk, which guess what? You got to be able to talk if you're doing something like that. I think, like, I couldn't come up with any two better names. I've been kind of going through it a little bit. We talked about Votto a little bit.

CC would be great too, but I think the Wainwright-McCutchen combo would kind of like crush. I like, so at first I was with Jim, the pitcher catcher, because that's fun. But they're almost so much on the same wavelength and maybe even get too lost in the pitching and sequencing, which I know that's Jim's crack. So I get that. But yeah, I kind of like a batter and a pitcher and a batter that have history against each other. Yeah.

Because then they're reliving their own at bats and they're saying, yeah, you know, that third time. I saw you in this game, you know, X, Y, Z happened. I didn't have my change up that day, so I was just trying to get in on your hands. Like, I think there's something there. And yeah, I know, you know, MLB, let Cici do his thing, but, you know, you got to, like, let Cici be Cici. Like, he's king of the world, all-time big guy. Like, if you gave him full Manning, like, Eli Manning went double birds on Manning cast.

And guess what? Society still advanced. Well, I don't know if society advanced, but society. he moved on. Like, let the big dog eat on there and you're going to have a good time. Because Cici is saying, like, he's real. It's real. I'll tell you, that pitch sucked.

And I think there's a lot of guys that don't have, like, the, I don't want to say the balls to say that, but kind of, or aren't willing to do that on air. He's my book. Oops. Wow. Cutters. No, I like, I like, see. Someone said CC and Poppy, I almost think that's too,

you can't have two massive personalities in there. I don't think. I don't know if that would work. People are talking about that? No, no. And I said this on baseball today. I'm not accomplished enough to be there. You need someone, like you need big names,

guys of the one world series and All-Star Games and MVP. You just have to have that. I'm not qualified. I mean, I am qualified, but I'm not. I don't think I'm not what they're looking for. But McCutcheon, MVP, Wainwright, pitched in any type of game you could ever think of. I think those guys really work.

I do love CC, though. If you got someone with CC, I think it would work. I have to think about who it would be. McCutcheon versus Wainwright. Brian Dozier. 64 A.Bs, 297 batting average, because that's the first stat you look at these days. 8.54 OPS, so Cutch would win that battle.

Wow. Oh, let's do, let's do, we're light on topics. Let's do career earnings for both of those guys. All right, this will end the show. Career earnings for Wayno and Cutch. Cutch got the one big contract in Pittsburgh, right? Or was it, he got an extension there. And then he got, then they signed, they traded him to, was it San Fran, San Francisco,

and then San Francisco traded into the Yankees, and that ended that. So none of that was a new contract. Then he got a new contract with Philly. So I think we're looking at all of his arbitration, one big contract, and then a smaller contract with Philly. I'm going to go... 170 for Cutch.

I was going to go around 150. I don't know how much his pirate's contract was or how long. I can't do the mental math. But I'll get 150. It's actually lower. Still a lot, guys. It was 115. Oh.

That audibly sounds close to 150. A lot of people get that confused. You say 150 or 115? So I win. You get that. You win. And then Wainwright. Wainwright's played since 2006, just so you know.

Saw someone say Granderson in the chat. Him and Cici would be funny because Curtis Granderson, like, all-time nice guy. And Cici would be like that fucking sucks. Wayno, 2006. What was his big contract? He's been signing one year deals. Extensions, extensions. I'll say 170.

I was going to say 180. You guys are, you guys are a little too high. 149.23. Does not, oh, excuse me. That's to date, my people. 149 to date, he's got another 17 and a half coming his way. Which brings it right to Jake. He's right.

I'll take it. You should have ran back year or same guess? Wayno, that's light. What was his biggest contract? 167 is what Wayne will have after this year. Biggest contract. I mean, holy crap. I don't know.

Looks like from 2014 to 2018, five years he made 195 a year. Hmm. So 2014. So what was it before that? Arb. No, he started in six. so as Arb ended in 12

unless they slow play them? Yeah, he probably signed after he threw two innings in 05 Looks like Super 2 75 and 06 Actually never mind so you went to Whatever we're going through this too much right now But it's a lot of money both those guys

They probably have good internet So he came up in 06 Part of the playoffs in 06 He didn't get free agency until 2014 Did you say? No No He got

I think I see a 5 for 97 In a year Oh okay 2012 2012 was his first year Like as a After his free agent year 2011 he played

Then he was a free agent Okay Anyways I love that game That's the show Thanks for tuning in Appreciate you always Subscribe

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