Talkin' Baseball (MLB Podcast) - 446 | How the Giants Surprised Everyone in 2021 (with Evan Longoria)

Episode Date: January 26, 2022

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Hello and welcome to talking baseball. We've got a fun interview with Evan Longoria, Trevor's Idol. Hello and welcome to talking baseball. We're coming to you live from the Draft King Studios in Manhattan. My name is Jimmy. His name is Jake. We got Trev in California and BBD behind the dish. We are not live on the YouTube.

This is a pre-recorded interview. Trev as you're listening to this Trev is in town with Jake and I and we got something fun in the works we'll find out about later Jake how are you doing James Trev BBD the chat your family your friends Evan Longoria coming up in a little bit big dog per hell of a baseball reference preference page, Trev. I mean, Big War, whoa! I don't like that. I don't like that. What don't you like right now for the podcast only? What are you not into? Is that supposed to be you? What do you mean? I don't like it at all, man. At all. No, dude, that's like, I don't know why. Just, you're freaking me out a little bit.

This does nothing for you. We just had such a joyous time and now here I am, you know. I had a thing mascots at some point. I was just like, was really not into them. And it kind of brings me back there a little bit. Between two Jakes right now. Oh, tight shot.

Oh, boy. Tongues out. Guys got nice teeth. Thank you. Trev. Trev, how are you? This is one of your guy, guys. You said,

Unlimited. I was doing great. The mask threw me off a little bit. I'm not going to lie. I got some weird things, maybe with some masks. But hey, uh,

long ago. Look, we don't do a lot of guess on talking baseball anymore. Not that we're opposed to it. We'd do it. But if you're coming on here, you're a guy guy. And I'm not saying every guy guy is going to come on here. So if you're not on our show, it doesn't mean you're not a guy guy. But if you do come on the show, you're a guy guy.

And you guys know how I feel about him. Jimmy, God, maybe he is my idol. I don't know. I haven't really thought about it that way. But as you'll hear in the show, I do make a note at the end. it's a hell of a guy to want to be like wasn't he your swing comparison guy like you'd see how he raged him i would go to him every once in a while um him and there was um gosh what's his name right now i can't believe i'm forgetting it brandon inj they pitched us similar

and we were in the same division so i saw a lot of the same pitchers but long goes great man i told you guys um just a cool career has been part of a couple different really respected franchises. We talked to build a San Francisco Giants to 2021 run, and how cool that was. So I had a great time. You think he needs Roman? Because I think he came into the big leagues,

Roman ready. Yeah. Not a Roman. That guy, he doesn't, he's not there yet, but I bet when he does need to be Roman ready, he'll be Roman ready. Yeah.

A few years from now. It wouldn't shy away from getting. some advice and some help on it, and neither should you guys. You should go listen and speak with a U.S. licensed healthcare professional about ED. Get $15 off your first month treatment if you use code talking. It's not a code, though. That was an absolute lie. It's a slash.

It's get Roman.com slash talking. I almost tricked everyone with a lie. It's a fib. Get Roman.com slash talking. $15 off first month of treatment because you got to be ready. and you like you'll hear long ago not a guy that lacks confidence you want confidence you got to know you got the goods he knew he had the goods his whole career still does a couple things i don't like james lying and not being roman ready and masks masks mask is you know maybe that's made its way back i thought i was over the mascot thing and the whole like fake person but i think it's might have stoked it's a stoked it I was still a real person.

Get roaming. Me and John Boy have the privilege of being joined by two 2017 Tampa Bay Rays, the 20th leader in RBI Trevor Plouf and the leader in RBI, Longoria. Evan, how you doing, man? Yes. Man, that's, I was hoping that you'd give some, Trev, some sort of intro too. So I am doing well.

I actually went back and looked up what year I played with Trev. And you're right, 2017. What a year. Treve? Magical year. No, I had a great time that year. I'll never forget what you said about me. Like, right when we first got, I first got into Tampa, he goes, you're the most raised guy ever. And I took it as a compliment, I think, even though I don't think it was as that. I mean, you know, the raise were, I think probably what I was getting at was the raise were just, you know, we had so many like journeymen players that kind of just like pass, pass through.

And guys that had, you know, good careers would come there and kind of, you know, hit an upswing again. I don't, I don't know that, I don't know that Trev did that in that year. But, yeah, we just, I saw so many, that's why I had to go back and look because I saw so many guys kind of come through in such a short amount of time that it was, it's tough for me to keep the year straight. Well, it didn't take long for you become the mainstay, you know. Yeah, I mean, I feel very fortunate.

You know, I think I've, I made it clear early on. Obviously, I signed that deal wanting to spend my whole career there. But, you know, the Giants have been an unbelievable group to be with too. And I feel pretty fortunate to have seen, you know, both really just quality organizations from the inside. Trevor's 20th in RBI's in 2017? Yes. On the race. team.

He just got beat out by Taylor Featherston. Taylor Featherston featured out. A good ball player. T. Feather. Oh, maybe. Well, you got more years. You got more service time than him. So that's all it matters.

Yeah. I was a very bad ball player that year. And you brought up what I wanted to bring up. We're going to get serious right away. That's what we like to do. You have been a part of like two of these incredible organizations. You know, we talk about the race. and like the raised tree and how far it extends out throughout the league.

And then so you're part of that, have some success there. Then you go to like the Giants, who we saw a little bit of uptick in like productivity. I think that was during the COVID season. So we started talking about the coaching staff. And now we have to ask you because it's kind of like become a running joke on our team or on our show. We value the Giants coaching staff so highly. Is there a difference? I, you know, we, we have a lot of conversations about that internally, I think, as players, like, because it has become a thing, right? It's like, it's, it's, they're hiring younger. They're hiring sometimes non-baseball people, you know, sometimes it's people who are, you know, solely analytically based and then, and they've never put on a jersey before. And so it's hard to,

say that it's wrong because like you said, you know, we, we've had a lot of, we've had a lot of guys who were, you know, maybe flatlined in performance really kind of take steps forward, especially later in their career. You know, but at the same time, it's, it's, I think, a little bit, I don't want to say frustrating, but like irksome maybe is the word, like, you know, because you have these people who come in and basically, like, some of them have like this amount of awareness, you know, in terms of like being in a clubhouse and like understanding like what it's like to like be a professional baseball player or in that environment. And so like, they may know a ton about the game and the biomechanics of the game and like all of these

analytical things. But like some of the most important things are like how to act in a clubhouse. And they have none of that, you know. So there's a lot of teaching that goes. on there, I think. And our staff in particular has been great about that, you know, just like really kind of not like wanting to be like the center of attention, you know, and really wanting to learn and like understand what it's like. And we had a lot of first time people in our clubhouse this year or last year. And I think they've done an unbelievable job. And, you know, the results, I think speak for themselves, you know, in terms of like how they've gotten the most out of the players. that's funny because you guys had such like a veteran team so not only were you guys taking care of the young players on the team but maybe some new coaches you had to show the ropes a little bit and like that formula worked when everyone kind of looked at your team and even prior to 2021 it was like how is this going to work yeah um and um Gabe um Gabe um Gabe obviously has you know a lot of big league experience as a player um and and been around you know the clubhouse for a long time so I think he really.

really when he picked his staff and he brought those people in, probably had a lot of meetings. You know, like, look, this is the way it's going to go. Like, you guys need to understand, like, give the players their space. Don't try to, like, impart your ideas right away. Like, listen, do all these things to where they took it to heart and really, I think, have done a phenomenal job just, like, kind of, you know, blending into the culture.

When you find out Gabe is coming to the Giants, I mean, do you just start, do you order up some red meat and whiskey? And it's like, this is now going to be more part of my life? I don't know, the whole Gabe thing, Treb's a huge Gabe guy. I mean, we've heard some of the stories and we've seen some of the pictures, obviously. But I don't know, I guess, how is that experience for you when he did the Giants front office, like, talk to you at all? I mean, you guys were a veteran team at the time looking for a manager, and I'm sure you had come across him in your baseball life. So I'd love to hear kind of some Gabe joining the Giants.

Obviously, I had experience with Gabe as a teammate. That I didn't look up. I think it was probably 2011 or 12 or something like that. I don't remember maybe even earlier, maybe nine or 10. But I really enjoyed it. he was my locker mate or close to my locker mate as a player. And so I really enjoyed Gabe just learning from him and his veteran presence in a clubhouse. So I knew that he had been let go by the Phillies.

And I knew that Farhan had experience with Gabe in the Dodgers system. So I mean, I think naturally, like he, his name just like popped up in my mind because I knew that Farhan liked Gabe. and I knew that he would probably pursue that as an option. And then, like, I think personally, well, maybe more so from like a group standpoint, the players that were going to be there coming off of Bochie's last year, we knew that we kind of needed a different direction, you know, just like something different. Obviously, Bochie's probably a Hall of Fame manager,

but we just needed, you know, culturally, I think there was a shift. And I think Farhan understood that. He wanted to bring that in. And that's kind of, I think, where Gabe has really done, you know, everything that we thought he would do and that Farhan hoped he would do. You think Gabe and Joe Madden have similar pickup lines at bars? Shockingly enough, I think that, Gabe and Joe are like kind of opposite.

I mean, I know that people, a lot of people like may see that from the outside, like looking in like they're kind of similar managerial styles. But Gabe is really kind of like hands off. He is a good leader in terms of like understanding like, hey, I need to step in here and I need to like say something to this player or, you know, give some guidance, whatever. but like he really stays out of the way and and that's a good thing you know i think if you talk to players like pretty much every like time you hear somebody say oh he's a player's manager that basically means he stays out of the way you know like he doesn't like you know impart his will on you he doesn't yell at you when you do something wrong there's you know that's just like that's a good thing so that's kind of how Gabe is and and joe was that to a certain extent but he also um he did

some things differently that, you know, it's another conversation. But I think they're kind of pretty different in the way that they manage ball clubs. Gabe, uh, was a man, was a player. So it's got to be a lot of the reason why if a player, a player becomes a manager, it'd be odd if you didn't become a player's manager in a sense. I'm sure it happens. But, you know, um, you were at the height of like Joe Madden weirdness. You were with that.

It always piqued my interest of like bringing magicians. and penguins in. I like the silly outfits. I'm a guy who hates the magicians. Jake loves penguins. You hate magicians? He's not a magician. No, not into it.

Just tell me what you're doing and stop trying to trick me. I know it's fake. So just explain it, you know? Straight up. Like, I need answers and they're just like, it's not all fake, okay? Well, no, it is though, Trev.

But is that ever good tiring? Like, if you're like, you know, in a good stretch and feeling good and he's doing a lot of that. I feel like he's calmed down over the years. Some of those early raised teams, it felt like every week it was like Joe Madden brought a mime to the dugout. Yeah, I mean, yeah, like, yeah, I think Joe is, like, I love Joe as a person.

I still do, you know, we still talk from time to time. But I think what Joe really had going for him early, in his career with the raise and when he went over to Chicago was he had young teams. You know, he had like impressionable players who were, you know, willing to buy into a culture, especially in Tampa where we basically had no culture in the beginning and we had never experienced winning. So he had basically a blank slate to say like, you know, this is what we're going to do and kind of impart his ways. And I think as as time went on, on some of that stuff became a little tedious like guys as they got older and we started to

bring in more like, you know, veteran players. Like some of it got a little, a little out of hand. But all in all, I think what Joe did, I mean, by proof of his record and what he has accomplished as a manager, I think a lot of it did help. But to answer the question blankly, yeah, some of it did get. get a little old. I'm glad you said that because knowing, like a lot of people were like, no, it's fun. I'm like, I don't know.

It feels like I wouldn't like it all. Well, I mean, and maybe, maybe because I was like the only guy that was there for 10 years, you know, like 10 years. You saw it all. So it's like, yeah, I'm like at the end, I'm like, man, like I, and I remember this exact moment when I was like, man, I'm so done with this. We were like really struggling. I don't remember the series. It was in the middle of the year. And I come in at home and there's my locker, Treb knows, it's kind of like you come into the right.

And it was like a big square locker room. And my locker was all the way on the back wall straight in. And I come in and there's a full-blown, like Latin band set up, like right in front of my locker. And I was so fed up at that point. And this was probably six years in, you know, five years in, whatever. and I'm like this is enough is enough man like we had lost probably you know five in a row and I was like done I went straight to the back like just I was bitter that day but um honestly all and all like we won a lot of games and we were a really loose group most of the time and and he did a good job like understanding

when those things needed to happen and he's a good manager you want a lot of games you want a lot of yeah you want a lot of games can I can I stay back in the raise days because I have a question from uh you know September 2011 game 162 12th inning scoreboard flashes Baltimore beats Boston so if the raise win now you're in the playoffs Europe bat as that flashes Scott Proctor looks at Romine Romine looks at you and says here comes a fastball right I wish man a lot easier it was like a It was a long at bat, too. I don't remember how many pitches, but I remember being in, I didn't have enough time to be nervous.

You know, like it happened so fast because at the game, like when it's, I don't know, it's weird. Like when games are tied, like you don't have this amount of pressure on you, you know, like, you just feel like, oh, well, if I don't, you know, get it done. Like obviously I wanted to get it done. The next time may. You know, it's like it's not a do or die situation at that point. And so I didn't really have time to be like, oh, man, I have like an opportunity to do something special here because it had happened so quickly like they had won the game and I was hitting. So yeah, but no, it didn't happen that way. That was like a hell of and the bat.

And I filmed an entire sequence episode where we went pitch by pitch. And it was probably the, I was, after we got done recording it, I was. like honestly like jump for joy so this is so freaking good and that's the one i lost the audio yeah and then you craft it out on that that suck it hurts so bad man so but i do have you on lock we have to do it again um yeah yeah we'll get but that at bad is something else man like goes down it's one of the all-time graded bats like when it's all said and done that at bat is going to be shown a hundred years from now yeah i think that's like so cool well yeah yeah the big home run in the eighth fitting as well. If any of our listeners

are too young, they weren't into baseball. I don't, there needs to be a documentary on, on that day. Uh, because it was like in, within that one hour window of the 162, something happened to in the NL too. Like so much changed. It was, it was insane.

I mean, I feel, I feel very, um, you know, fortunate to have, you know, not, not, not have just been like the hero that, you know, moment or that game. But, um, like you said, I mean, I think that bad day, like, you know, if, if I'm never like talked about, um, you know, after I retire or like, you know, remembered for, for anything, like, I'm completely okay with that. But I know that somebody will make a documentary about that one day, you know, and I'm always going to be

talking about that day. Um, just, but just to be able, you know, to, to, to have a, part in it and be a moment in that. Like that will like it will keep my name and the Ray's name, you know, relevant in that day for, for a long time because it was, it was a pretty special day in like the total history of the game of baseball. Yeah. It was awesome. And I think you're going to be part of history baseball in another way because Treve has a

stat called the Gibby. And basically it just, what does it stand for, Treve? Gold, italics, bold. baseball something okay that's that's yeah wait isn't there another give you though uh

there like another give you i don't know maybe this is trevers it doesn't matter but this is it's in the work still trev we can we can trev has bold on his base if you have bold on your baseball reference you are in the club and you led the league and you led the league and something trev has one ball he led the league and uh grounded in the double place now trev It's not funny.

That means something. Longo has four balls. Two of them led the league and grounded in the double play. So he's got you beat your own category. Also, sack flies and games played. Games played is actually awesome. To play all 162 is like a really cool accomplishment. Yeah, I remember.

I don't remember what year happened, but I remember the year that I kind of was like deep into it. And I was like, man, I'm doing this. like I'm getting this done, you know. And it's a, it's a hell of an accomplishment, man. Like there, it doesn't happen, but maybe once a year now, you know, like there's very few guys that do it. And I think, I think that, um, what happens now, I think is, is better for the game.

You know, I think that like trying to keep guys healthy and giving them rest, like it's, it's really hard to play 162 games. And there are in reality a lot of games in there where you're like, completely gassed, you know, that like, you're kind of like, not necessarily, you know, giving up, so to speak, but you're like, man, I am spent, like today is going to be a real grind to get through. And I think that what, you know, resting guys strategically, you know, a game here, game there, like, you're getting a much better product on the field. Granted, you know, like, I never had that mentality. I wanted to play every game. Like, I always

want to be out there because I kind of had that. I don't remember if it was, you know, Kobe or LeBron or might have been Michael Jordan or somebody, one of those, you know, big, big athletes saying like, if a kid buys a ticket to a game, like I want to be in the lineup for that game, you know, like I would hate, like, oddly enough, I've been thinking about going to a basketball game here to see the Suns play. And they have a game coming up on the 28th against the Timberwolves. And I really want to see Anthony Edwards play. And I'm already thinking about that. Like, is he going to rest on that day?

You know, because like you go to the game and like you, you want to see this one guy play. And he decides to rest that day. And then, you know, it's kind of like, you're pissed off. So I never wanted to be that guy. I always wanted to be on the field. And I always felt like I could, you know, get it done, you know, one way or another. But it's very tough to play that many games. I was in one of the Jersey stores outside Yankee Stadium.

during Jeter's last season. And I was on Twitter, and this was before Twitter was really popular. And it just came out that he wasn't starting. And I just said it out loud to the whole store. I was like, oh, Jeter's not starting today. And people were going specifically to see like their last time seeing Jeter play short for the angst. Just got booed. I was like, all I did is read the lineup guys.

Like the whole store just. You got booed? I got booed because I was given terrible news. People were so mad. I was like, damn. Does the NBA, they have to release inactive the night before? Is that something they do? There's some rules around it, right?

I agree with you, Evan, that it is better for players' health and the overall product. But, yeah, I mean, that is a problem, man. You want to go see a player, you want to go see Trout play, and he's going to rest of it. It'd be nice to get some sort of heads up. I don't know how you could end up making that happen. It's tough with Otani. Yeah, I know that it has, like, it's continued to evolve because of sports betting, you know, because it's like you don't want to just show up and like you bet on this team or whatever and then two of the three star players have decided to sit so you know the odds I think like they've made those rules because of that right they're like we're going to set this line at this like you need to let us know like who's playing and who's not playing like so we can keep our advantage so it's coming to baseball 100 percent I mean just because of that I mean sports gambling well they have to submit they have to submit I know that for sure yeah the lineups have to

have to come out earlier now because of sports gambling, because we sit here and wait to post our tweet and stuff and it used to be, you never knew. Now it's like three and a half hours before something like that. It's more. Yeah, there's a specific number. I don't know what it is. But, you know, obviously like late scratches happen. Guys did, you know, tweak something in the cage and, you know, can't go. But by and large like that, there's a time frame. And they now come in and they're like, you know, look, we got to know, like, we need to submit the lineup. You know, we need to know, like, can you play? So, yeah, it's all sports gambling.

Ain't that America a little bit. It wasn't necessarily for figuring out the players who were playing, but, hey, if we're sports gambling, like, let's get the lineups. Let's figure out who's out there. Evan, I was laughing when you were saying, hey, if, you know, if people stop talking about me in baseball, they'll remember that game, well, hey, we're going to be talking about you. Like, we have to.

We got new digs now. We got to pay the bills, so we're talking about baseball. And we were talking about you and the Giants a lot this year. Everyone was talking about the Dodgers. Everyone loves Slam Diego. And then, you know, a month in, it's like, these Giants got some fight, huh? And then, you know, two months in.

These Giants are pretty good, huh? I mean, give us some of the ride, man, because it was awesome. Like, obviously we were busting about Gabe all year, Trev's guy. And then, dude, you had all these. veterans, Posey, Bell, Crawford, yourself, late-night Lamont, like, and then all the pitchers are shoving. So what was that right a little bit? And I guess, I don't know if you've relived it at

all, but, like, what was your favorite thing to kind of watch during the year? Was it Brandon Crawford be, like, the best shortstop in baseball again? Was it, like, Logan Webb's coming out party? Late-night Lamont, like, what, when you look back at this year, what did you love about it? I think that, like, to give, like, a broad, answer years like last year there's a lot of things that have to happen like we talked about it in spring like there's never like one thing and we knew you know in spring like look I'm gonna have to have a good year Crawford's gonna have to have a good year belts you know all of all of these veteran guys like we're gonna

have to do like what we know we're capable of doing to be where we want to be and then we're going to have to have guys step up. You know, we're going to have to have young guys like Logan Webb, you know, figure out their ability and, you know, the trade for Lamont, obviously, a big deal. You know, it seemed like everything that Farhan did, these little, like, pieces that he brought in that maybe they only gave us, you know, a month or a couple of bats or whatever it was, you know, Mauricio DuBahn. You know, he was kind of down at the end of the year, but, like, he was really good for us

early on, you know, and was another like big piece. And Lamont, obviously, special year by him, like clutch hits, you know, from, from the get-go. And Logan Webb's going to be special, special pitcher, special player. Like, he's got, he has that it factor on the mound. So it's hard to say, like, one thing happened. But I got to watch a lot of it because I got hurt and then I was out for like two months. So I was kind of just watching all of it happened. You know, all of the additions, Gosman, Alex Wood, Anthony Discoffani, all those guys kind of had, you know, resurgent career years, which we really obviously needed that to happen to.

And then Doval late in the year and the other, you know, bullpen guys that stepped in. I mean, it was just one of those years that, like, you know, it was, it was special and fun to watch. and I wish every day that I could have been out there more so. But I was happy to come back at the end of the year and be a part of the push and the celebration. It's really hard to make the playoffs. You know, it's hard to make the playoffs in Major League Baseball. And so when you get there, it's like it's something special.

Were you guys, did you guys resent the notion that I think, like, I believed it? I know Chris Rose was that like the other shoes are going to drop, like the Dodgers are going to come for you. And like it's going to be one of like, you know, the Mariners are always off to a good start and then and then it fades because you just wasn't uh don't really predicted that you guys were just to pull in first place or whatever it was or did you guys not listen or did you like use it as fuel or did you kind of have a sense yourself like yeah maybe i don't know man it was it was crazy because like we obviously knew we were playing well and we believe that we had a team

that could win and it it got it got pretty like i don't I don't want to say frustrating, but like at the end of the season, we were literally winning every game, like every game in September. Like, I don't know what our record was, but it felt like we were winning every game. And we didn't, we weren't gaining any on the Dodgers. You know, like, it was like we literally had to play 162 games to figure out who was going to win the division. And so it was a mentally and physically tiring, you know, month and year because there was no,

I mean, the Dodgers would, obviously, they were a great team too, you know. and and it was a it was real stressful man to like 23 and 7 September October yeah we we we we won oh the Dodgers won again and thankfully when we lost most of the time they lost too so like we kept our ground but like stressful for you guys but for them they're like punching walls and they're like those fuckers every time we win they win yeah the feeling was obviously the same on their side like how can these guys not freaking loose yeah not It was, I mean, that alone, like, it felt like, you know, this, and it was, but we knew we were both making the playoffs. It just felt like we were already in the playoffs in September every game, you know, trying to basically win and do or die.

And we knew how important the division was going to be. And it, I mean, shit, we did everything we could, you know, like we literally, like, exhausted everything we could to get where we were. And I think that everybody went home at the end of the season, like, obviously disappointed, you know, that we didn't get where we believed we could go. But, like, I don't think anybody left that clubhouse, you know, after with their head down, you know, it was pretty much all left out on the field. What is the vibe in the clubhouse there after the floor is check swing? Like, do you go run and watch that right away? Does everyone? Is it like, I don't even want to watch it?

I mean, I was right there. I saw it, you know, but. I don't know, man. Like the game is, it's hard to say, like, you know, everybody's like, oh, we should, you know, that's why we need to go to, you know, robotic umpires and, you know, all that, but it's, I don't know. I mean, when it goes against you, it hurts, you know, when you get a call against you in a, in a situation like that, yeah, it sucks.

But, you know, maybe there was a bunch of other ones that went our way throughout the course of the year, you know, they got. So it's just, it hurt in the moment. But like I said, I think everybody left there, you know, not with that thought in their head, but like the thought that like, man, that was a special year and we literally just left everything out there on the field. God. Do you want to ask about Tyro? I will get to Tyro Stroud and Wondi Peralta later.

That's just some Yankee stuff. Two of my guy guys. Tyro was big for us too, man. Don't get me started on Tyro. Like, I'm a huge Tyro guy. Do you know he got shot? Yes. Came to Treb, do you not show up to spring training one year and told the Yankees?

I got shot over the winter. Bulletin is like. Like seriously. Yeah. Like a legit shot. Yeah. It's not funny, but it's not funny. No.

But if this was 1920s, his nickname would be Bullet Estrada. And that would be cool. It does suck that. It's true, but we can't do that now. But he's good. He's fine. I think he has like a, you know, like a, you know, like in i don't know how you say in spanish but like i think some of the latin guys call him that

like whatever like the word is yeah makes sense like it's awesome he took a bullet to the i i had no idea i had no idea and and true story i he was in the shower and he's got a huge scar like on like the lower part of his like outside but yeah and i was like man what like what happened you know and he's like i got shot okay well sorry i didn't know that you can shot by someone or do he shoot himself? Was it one of those things? No, he got shot by a stick-up at a grocery store. Yeah. Gas station. Trying to shoot somebody else, he said.

And like it was like, it was like an eye. He was like in the crossfire. Yeah. Bala, it says is the Spanish word for bullet. Bala, yeah. There you go. So that's what his nickname is? Bala? I think I've heard people call him that. I mean, he's a baller. I know that. Yeah, Jake loves. Jake loves, Jake loves tired. The Yankees.

That's such a clubhouse thing. Oh, man. He's a speaking. You brought up showers, dude. We talked about showers on. here. I think that's a question we can maybe go to with you. What's your favorite road shower? People want to know these things. Favorite road shower? Carl Siam maybe?

Yeah, that's up there. Pretty brutal. It's not out there. Humbling. Good water pressure. Oh, hey, that's a win. I mentioned the Yankees visiting where you get in the back in the little stall. It's kind of nice little protection back there. Yeah, I mean, that's kind of how, that's how the

Dodgers is now, too, in their new clubhouse. It's nice, but it's like, I don't know that I like that in closed. Like, they've got even a shower curtain that you can close. So, but you can't really get out of the way of the stream, you know, like you can't like, you got to turn the shower off to wash your body because the stream's like right on you. Can't move. So I like, I like the, I love the Braves new facility. Their new ballpark there, SunTrust is, is really nice. The clubhouse setup is nice. Showers are nice. But yeah, I mean, I can't really think off type.

I mean, I could tell you, like, you know, where I like to eat, you know, but the shower is I guess the shower thing is my thing. That's his true. It's my thing. You got a spot in San Francisco for all our Giants fans? Yeah, yeah. Do you like what's your like favorite, I guess, aspect of living? I know we know Gabe really took to it, rides his bike around and it's like a man of

the peak up there. Well, San Francisco, like, makes it impossible for you to go out to eat if you're not vaccinated, which I'm vaccinated, but, like, you know, at the time my family wasn't. So we weren't doing a lot of, like, eating out the past two years. Like, I, I, the first couple years, we lived down in Calhallow and just off a Union Street. So you could literally walk to like, if you go on Union, you know, there's, there's restaurants up and down. up and down that street. We ate a lot of takeout the past couple years, like, depressingly, a depressing amount of takeout and socialmates.

Yeah. But, yeah, I mean, I always, like, there's a place by the field. Like, I love Asian food, like, probably my favorite, like, type of food. So there's a place by the field called dumpling time that, like, I frequent handmade handmade dumplings. I just, I love that place. You're a chef, though. Like, you cook a lot or you like to cook.

Yeah, I mean, I wouldn't consider myself a chef, but yeah. Sure, sure. I don't mean that. You like to cook. A home cook. Yeah, yeah. I'm a home cook. I'm a cook.

That's what it is. Okay. What's, I mean, Trevor said you're a cook and, hey, you just shouted out the sons. You got the USA soccer jersey on. I know, you got the family going on and stuff. But what's long ago? get into? Like, are we a sports guy? Are we movies guy? I've seen some cars on the gram. What else we got? I'm an investments guy. Okay. I'm here. Let's talk about it. I'm just saying like anything that's

worth money or they can make me money. Like, I'm it. So, which I love to gamble, which I should be the opposite. Yeah. I never win gambling. You know, so that's like, that's why you got to do the other investments. Feed your gamble. Yeah. You have a strategy. You know, like, Shaq, he always says that if he personally wouldn't use the product, he just kind of out on it. I think he, I completely agree with that. Okay. I really won't invest big in anything that I don't believe in. Or like I invest, like, with people I believe in.

I think that that's like a big thing too. It's like, you know, you can see it in like companies that, you know, switch CEOs and the company like either goes boom. or bust, it's like, you know, if you believe in like, you know, Elon Musk, for example, or whatever, like, you're just investing in that person, you know, and then what they can do and their potential. So maybe the product isn't like the greatest thing, but like you believe in that person. So that's kind of my thought process on it. Like that's, and that's why I haven't invested in NFTs because I know, I know zero about NFTs. So it's like, I have to have a little bit of knowledge before I go into it. I opened my first one today. And I'm rich. So I mean,

That's a miss by you. I'm going to be honest. Well, sell it. Now, you're selling. I heard last update I heard was you were down 30 cents. No, I was,

I was up 10 bucks, so now I'm up 950. Which again, that gets me a couple dumplings later? I'm a business man. Exactly. I probably get you. You're rich.

You're basically rich. You're one dumpling in San Francisco. In San Francisco, that's one dumpling. It's one dumpling. There was a, there was a Korean Fusion food. in San Francisco that I ate at when I was going to school there,

and I still, like, missed that a lot. So just if you see that, driving around. It's purple. It's Korean Fusion food truck. Kimchi burrito. I recommend it. Oh, it sounds really good. It's really good.

Yeah. Can I, uh, it's, it's 2017. Um, you know, we're, we're doing our thing on the race, you know, cash in the dugout, seasons going on and, you know, trade. In comes Trevor Plouf. Thick boy at the time. Probably pushing 2.40. That's my scale.

I don't know. Had you known Treve at all? Like, are you, you know, like we talked about, you're one of the faces of the raised franchise, like the face of the raised franchise. Do you, did you take on that onus of like, I got to greet the new guy first day or walk me through it? Or you're like, get this guy out of it. No, I mean, I always.

felt I always felt like that was a little bit of my, you know, my role. It was to, you know, make guys feel at home. But like, Trev, you know, obviously had, like, major league experience. So, you know, it wasn't like this was a young, you know, rookie coming over and, like, needed to be, you know, told what to do. So I was more excited because, you know, I felt like Trev was going to be, like, my vibe, you know, like, he's a West Coast guy. Like, we, you know, come from from a similar area like we and we we kind of like clicked right away i mean we hung out a good bit um the rest of that season and and i got to say trev like probably was one of the first to put me on to a craft beer trev big craft beer guy oh yeah he used to call me small batch yeah but he he would uh he would bring

his yety bag on the on the plane and on the bus with him with all of his craft beers and uh and at the time I was like you know not on that um that's early so you were well actually that's like right when the bubble was about to like get real big 2017 I'd been in the game for quite some time at that point he was dabbling he was dabbling but um he was yeah he was in the cutting edge of of craft beer so I got to give uh I got to give credit to drive right there you put me on to that that's why he doesn't eat dessert now you can't give up the beer I don't really drink I've got off beer a lot too. I'm switched over to a wine guy. I'm more refined now.

Are you fat right now? I'm skinny. I'm skinny. Skinny now. So, yeah. I need to get my muscles back. I've been running long distance. It's not a great We see the picks of Trev in the show and I'd say like once a month it's like damn dude you were like he was a big boy. He had juice.

215. You want to know the real story that happened with me in Longgo? Yes. Yeah, we were buddies. for sure. I wanted to be his buddies, so I just made sure of it. I hung by him all the time. Because Treve likes them rich.

Exactly. I wanted him to buy all the dinners. But I got there. I think I d-hed the first day. Boom. I'm in the lineup. Cash gets me in there. Next day, I play first base.

So I'm in the lineup. Next day I come in, I'm going to play third base, and Longo is going to sit. Now, we've already established that Longo likes to play all the time. He's going through the locker room saying, oh, I guess I see how it is. You get a little bit older and they bring in people to take your job and just goes through. And it's just letting everybody hear that he wants to play.

So I started at third base that game. I don't think I got another start at third base. I think maybe one more start at third base the rest of the time. Longo was in the lineup. The message was heard. Oh, man. Well, I used to tell Cash, man, like, now I'm at the, I'm at the point in my career where I'm like, you know, I'll take the day. Like, I just feel, I just feel much better, you know, like, if I get a day off, I'm like, you know, I see the benefits of it now. But I used to, I mean, and probably just like an absolute dick move on my part, you know, but like I used to tell Cash, like, you think these guys are better than me? Like, why would I sit on a bench? You know, like, what's the point? Like, I'm, who cares if I'm tired, you know? But, like, point. mean, like they, you know, kids, people don't have that mentality now, you know, and that's a problem. Like, because if you're okay with like just sitting, then like if me and Treve are equal,

you know, and like whoever, take whoever, if you've got two guys who are like this, you know, and the guy goes out there and he's starting every day and then all of a sudden he's like, I feel like I'll take a day. I mean, it's Wally football all over again. Like it just happens that fast, especially in the big leagues now where like if the guy's cheaper than you, like, he's going to take your job, you know, if he's the same guy. So I think that the lesson is like, dude, if you're starting every day, if you're playing, like, don't make it obvious that you need a day off or that you want a day off. I just was never, I couldn't have that mentality, you know, and it took for cash to be like, look, you're sitting. Like, I don't want to hear it. Like,

you're not playing. So, and at that point, I was fine. also i wasn't gonna trav just have your back you go one for three with a walk in a homer that day so long goes a little worry he's like he says wally pip you know if you go oh for four he just walks past cash and winks i've i've i've said the same thing here like it you have to think of i tell people that's like when we work out together still like my like dads that i work out with i'm like i'm like i worked out every single off season and all I ever thought about to like push me was like there's some motherfucker trying to take my job and I really really like my job like I worked really hard to get it like and I just I would always just think about some 20 year old kid just like coming to steal it

and that was like the mentality I know exactly what you're talking about because I like yeah I was lucky to have a starting job and I knew that and man if someone anyone that comes in place for you for one day you're totally right man things change in a freaking hurry That was also your stretch of you averaged 159 games a season for like five years from 27 to I just had it up from 27 to 31 years old. You average like 159. So you were playing. He was playing. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I just think that like it's just the lesson to be learned there is like look like you cannot take this for, you know, take it for granted because it's just like it doesn't. And I was, I was as secure in my job as, as anyone could have been, you know, like, I had a contract. I didn't, I wasn't worried about that, you know. And I think that, like, that's part of the reason why I've, I've had so much success is like, look, you know, if you get, if you become complacent after you get paid, like, you will not have that sort of success.

I mean, unless you're very special, you know, like, but I wasn't, you know, I didn't have, like, I mean, I have a ton of natural ability. Don't get me wrong. But, like, I wasn't. I'm not the, I've never been the fastest guy. I've never been, had the fastest Twitch, you know, like all of these, like, natural abilities. Like, I worked a ton to get those. And I knew that, like, it could, it could go away, you know, and I didn't want that to happen. I think, you know, we talk about it a lot on this show. And as Yankee fans, we end up sounding whiny, uh, because they, they mess with their lineups and rest days a lot. And I, you know, I'm sure there's science behind it. But I think there's some old school baseball stuff that, that's going to change. And I think there'll be a correct. back because I think kind of what you're saying,

A, the story of you basically telling the manager in the locker room that you want to play every fan's dream, man, that's what you want your dude saying. Like, that's what every fan wants. I do think there's going to be a coming back where, you know, I think younger guys, like maybe we don't need planned off days for them. Like, if you got a 24-year-old who's balling and he's playing 15 games 15 days. He could probably handle that. He's 24. Like what you're saying like you're now more comfortable if that off day comes around because it's like, all right, let's rest up. And I, I really do think

there's, there's going to be a balance. And I guess did the Giants like, was that open conversation or were you just more receptive to it at this part of your career or what? Well, I mean, no, it's, it's open. It's been open conversation. But, you know, it seems like and and this year uh well maybe maybe a little bit last year too but like we we we were fortunate this year to have guys who were do you know filling in and filling in well you know and and then we you know we we brought in chris brian at the deadline and you know that was another big boost to be able to like you know kind of shuffle the lineup around and um so but it seems like the last couple years, you know, we've had the conversation in spring like, oh, you know,

we want to try and get you more rest days and this and that. And then I play, you know, I'm playing 20 straight. So, and I'm not complaining about that. It's just like, you know, I think what the Giants did really well is like finding the days to where they could match the lineup up and get guys their days, you know, and like you just, you can't do that unless you have depth. And we had a ton of depth in guys that were able to fill in and fill in well. And so we were able to keep guys fresh. I mean, Craw at one point, you know, Craw, like he had an unbelievable year. But he was playing every day because we really didn't have another guy that was playing like him or even close to him that could fill in. So that made it a little tough. But everybody else was, you know, kind of a

little bit interchangeable. And we had some good pieces. Switching subjects. I'm on your baseball reference. Have I been pronouncing your last name wrong for 13 years? Now, when I shorten, I go Longo. But when I say the whole thing, I say Longoria, but it says Longoria on baseball reference. It does. No, Longoria is right. I don't know why. It says Lon and then it says all caps go. And and then Ria. And I'm like, what the fuck is that? Whose name is that? Yeah, Longoria. Maybe you need to submit the change. I've got a deep dive. for you on a knuckleball hitting. I want to know what happened.

You were like one for 14 off R.A. Dickey. And then something happened. And you went like seven for seven off them. Well, I think a couple of those were like jam shots and cappers that like fell. Okay. Got a couple doubles, ground will doubles home runs there. Yeah. I don't know, you know, I, I, maybe I used to have, I, I hate to move in the box.

So I think it's like I used to stand in the same spot that that I would stand, you know, facing a normal pitcher against the knuckleballers. And maybe it was I switched. And we used, we would talk, you know, in these meetings, pregame meetings like, this is who we're facing, you know, like let's talk about the approach. And at some point, you know, somebody was like, I think I just told myself like probably because I was one for the world, you know, against him that like, I'm like, I, you know, because my swing is pretty inside.

out and like I worked the ball at the middle the other way and like I just I you can't do that against a knuckleball guy because it just the way that the ball is moving like there's so much late action to it that like the trueness of the path just doesn't work you know it's like you have to like late adjust you know to be able to like follow it so I just basically went up there with the softball mentality like I got closer to the plate and just said I'm going to try and pull everything and I mean I think that's kind of what worked was like forget about like having like a mechanically sound swing. Like, let's just go up there and, like, if I see it, like, anywhere close to the plate,

I'm going to swing as hard as I can and try and pull it. Yeah, it's like, you want to be direct with the knuckleballers. You don't want to have that, like, long in the zone type of swing. It's like, get the barrel to the ball quickly. Yeah, I hate facing knuckleball guys. I love that. Your numbers against Dick, he ended up being great. He started intentionally walking you.

which is hilarious because it's a knuckleball I can't believe he won a Saoyang I still cannot believe that guy won a Sa Young I'm not taking anything away from R.A. Dickey at all because obviously he earned it but like think about a knuckleballer winning to Saar Young and just think about that if someone next year came out and won the signing as a knuckleball

he'd like what? What? The thing man. You know what R.A. had going for him that year was he had some velocity too. Yeah. So he was like he was like 87 to 90 when he would throw his fastball.

And the knuckle ball was like, you know, in the low to mid 80s, like sometimes. Like he was throwing knuckle balls at like 85 miles an hour. You know, it's like, you know, some of them are like splits, you know. So it's like he had a ton going for him that year. And when you're throwing a knuckleball and then 90 miles an hour on top of it, like there's enough velocity there to like just flat out beat guys. 100%. C.C. Sabathia says he's coming back. How happy are you?

He probably just hit me. I'm probably not too happy. Did he start doing that? I mean, it became a big thing like those last couple years. You were an automatic home run. Credit to Cici, man. Like, Cici, obviously, I think will be a Hall of Famer. I think a lot of people believe he'll be a Hall of Famer. but like some guys do you know I've gotten hit by some other guys like that I just

dominated and I knew on purpose like they just hit me I won't say any names but you know I was like I see what you're doing like you can't get me out so you'll just hit me but CC never did that man like he competed every time like he tried to get me out every time and I mean dude I probably faced him a hundred times he got me out plenty of times like it was like got hit it a 511 on base percent I love Cici but it became true it became such a big thing the last couple years. So it was like, well, Walk him or he's going to hit a homer.

If it was in the zone, it was gone. It was a 1.3 Ops over 94 plate appearances. Oh, 1.3. 1.3 Ops, yeah. It's nuts. I love that you said that about C.C. man. That is my biggest pet peeve.

I lose all respect for you probably forever. If you are a pitcher and you hit someone because you can't get them out, you're like out, you're never coming back. You're gone from, like, you're out. In baseball, you're counting blitzball there? Because if I face your, you guys do do that in basketball. Yeah, I'm going to know. Yeah, they kind of do her.

CC's a dude, dude, man. Like, Cc's like, you know, competitor, like, you know, that, again, you don't get to where he is without being that way. So what is it? What, what, guys? Why are you so successful against him? Like, is it you just see the ball well becomes confident? Yeah, I guess. I mean, you know, there's just certain guys.

You just see the ball come out of their hands, spinning, you know, early. And I mean, some of it is the fact that I faced him that many times too, and he was left-handed. Yeah. You know, I've obviously hit probably better, you know, over the course of my career against left-handers. And then, you know, when you face a guy 90-plus times, like, it's inevitable that you're going to have some kind of damage against the guy and success. But like you look at my early statistics against Tanaka versus, like, later, the more I saw him, like, you know, I started to have some success against him. but, you know, early on. And then there's some guys like, you know, Java Chamberlain or Delam Batantis

or guys like that are like, you just don't see enough and they just strike me out every time. So I think, yeah, if he becomes a Hall of Famer, that's a nice look for you because I think you got the most homers off him. You got like, you're like top of his shit list. Yeah. That's funny. The only, he, I hit my 100th career home runoff at C.C. and I felt bad for doing it, but I had to do it because I, at the time,

not, not feel, I didn't feel about it in the home run. I got the ball back and I asked him to sign it. I signed it for me. I still have it. But, but. Do you write anything at that time? Like, I had a feeling that he was going to be a Hallfamer, you know. So I'm like, man, this is like a, you know, this is going to be a cool piece for me

to have. Like, I want, I want him to sign it. I mean, do you do that after the game? Like, you got a big seat. Like, you got to be, okay, I was going to say. The next day. You got to let that breathe. He was running around.

He was running. He was doing his running around the field. Oh, so he's not good. That's an honor. If someone asked me to sign a home run by, like, okay. I know you respect me. Well, who just did that with Yadi? They stole the base and they asked him like to sign the base last year.

Oh, yeah. I remember that. That's pretty funny. Oh, no, it was Colton Wong. It was his buddy Colton Wong. Yes. Okay. Yes.

You only, you only went on to hit 217 more Jimmy Jacks, no big. deal. Yeah, it's been a, it's been a good run, man. Like, I still, you know, I work out, you know, get ready for the season. Like, I just, I'm still, I feel really lucky to be, you know, still playing. There's, there's not too many guys that are, you know, 35 plus playing still. It's a small group. And so it's try to enjoy it. Try to enjoy it every day. Trevor, before we go, I have to say this because I truly believe it. And some people need to hear it. You are the guy that all the young ballplayers need to look at and say, that's the career I want. Like you came up, like you said, were you the most naturally

gifted with some fast switch stuff? Maybe not, but you worked. You're always very confident without being like kind of, I don't know what the word is. Arrogent about it. You played for a long time, brought a franchise, you know, from the humble beginnings to the World Series. I mean, you've had success late in your career. You're the guy. I tell people, like, I have conversations with Cole Tucker. I'm like, go, like, look what Longo did.

Like, try to be like that. That's the guy you want to embody or try to be like. So young guys, if you're watching, this is. Yeah. I mean, we didn't get a lot into like your, your beginning, but no scholarship out of high school to rookie of the year at 22 years old is a hell of a four-year transition. Yeah.

Crazy. Yeah. I mean, again, I think it's just a testament to like obviously some really impactful coaching, you know, Long Beach. Like there was a, I got a ton of motivation there being at Rio Hondo College. Like, you know, Mike Salazar is the head coach, still the head coach there. You know, he was the first guy, I think that like pushed me to, you know, be better, like challenged, like truly challenged me, you know, in a good way to like, we used to do this. We used to run this hill. Like it was not a glamorous program that we had over there, but we would do these,

you know, training drills and like, you would like legitimately push guys to like be better. And, and it just kind of snowballed into my career at Long Beach State and Mike Weathers. And he was the first coach that I really ever had that like, you know, kind of, kind of like told me that I wasn't that good. You know what I mean? Like, and you need, I think young players, need that, you know, like in a good way, you know, like he, you, and when I left there, I, I, um, I kind of asked him like, why did, why were you always such an asshole to me? You know, like, what was the point of that? And, and he's basically like, I knew that you could handle it, you know, and I knew that you, it was going to make you better as a player. And so I

think that those things are really crucial in the development of young players, um, Because I think a lot of kids now are really, you know, coddled and silver-spooned and, you know, told that they're just the best thing ever. And then they face adversity and it becomes a real grind, you know. And so having a little bit of that early on was really beneficial for me in my career. And, you know, obviously a lot of work, too. You can't, you can't downplay that. And that's why baseball is so beautiful because you can have guys like dust. in Padroia win the MVP at, you know, 5 foot six and, uh, and, and, and, and Jose

Altuve, you know, do what he does at his size. And then you have guys like Aaron Judge and it's like the complete opposite. So you ever wish you're five, five, six, five seven? Uh, no. No. If I hit like, if I hit like those guys, maybe, I mean, shoot, like bats of all skills are, are crazy. But, um, uh, yeah, no, I'm, I'm, I'm content with where I'm at. I was, man, um, man, um, You know, Trev said, like, you've got the all-time pass to come on. And, I mean, I get, I mean, third base, hard work, the beard, mashing lefties, knuckle balls. Like, Trev, I know what Trev did to Wakefield. That ball's still on Lansdown, right?

Yep. I mean, that's- Actually, he probably has it. He probably has it in his trophy case. Trev? I don't. That's actually a good point. I think a Twins fan caught a ball ahead off Wakefield.

I remember it because it was like one of my first homers, like first five homers or something. It's so many that's like, yeah. Yeah. Same. There's no, there's no homer like a homer at Fenway Park though. I'll give you that. I mean, a homer over the monster at Fenway Park is probably the coolest, if not one of the coolest home runs. Probably home run at old Yankee Stadium was tops on my list.

and then right behind it probably home run over the over the monster at fenway special Rigley's up there because Rigley's special but Boston home runs and because the fans were just ruthless there in a good way but like you know right on top of you and ruthless so it made it that much better it's kind of nice that you're getting so many years in the AL and the NL because you just get all the all the ballparks like you get to spend time everywhere yeah it's been cool man be I've been to been to all of them except I think I'm still

No I think I've been to them all now But the last one that was built was Was a truest The new Bray The new Braids one right? Yeah Yeah There's one stadium that you could put on your

I never Never play there again list The Coliseum Yeah Yeah I mean God You know what I will say this about the Coliseum though

They the surface is good Especially since the Raiders had left. The surface in the past year was really, really good. So obviously it's a tough canvas to work with there. The fans are fun there too. Like they really are. The ones that show up, it's cool.

It's very unique, like what they have going on there. Still. But the stadium is south. When that place is full, it's really loud too. I mean, it holds a ton of fans. And the fans are rowdy there for sure. But yeah, I mean, just like, obviously the stadium is really old and hasn't had a ton of renovations.

it and it's it's it's it's a tough tough place but favorite tidbit mad holiday one team on his no trade list is that's it's it's not gone oh man yeah it would be tough it'd be tough like to be in a situation where you're like they're going they're like a world series contender but like i got to go play at co-co every day like what do you do they're going to take this clip and send it to Vegas in the league and be like yeah come on guys look at this we need get out of here that's why we don't retain any of those that's the talk right that's the talk that's the talk that going to be going there. I forgot about when the Raiders played there.

You'd turn on an A's game and you'd see like, okay, there's a 40 line. And oh, yeah, there was a Jonas Brothers concert there last week. So there's a giant hole in left center. Watch out for that. It was bad. It was bad at times. If you call them, like right after a game day. All right, man.

Thanks for hanging out with us. First guest in our new office here. Same office for Treb, buddy. He's got a pretty mic. Yeah, congrats. Yeah, come on by, whatever. If you're in the city, you swing by to play the Mets. Where is it in New York?

Manhattan. Manhattan, yeah. Like downtown. Manhattan, nice. We've been told it's near where players stay. Say that again. We've been told it's near like the hotels they usually put guys out for Mets games and stuff. But no idea.

We won't give it away. Yeah, we usually play mid-city or stay mid-city somewhere. Yeah. I don't know exactly where it is. Yeah, swing on by. Travel take us out for a show dinner. I would love to. on me.

I got to it. Yeah. Treves got it. Yeah. Yeah. He's a wine guy now, so it'll be nice. Prime Italian. What is it called?

Well, there's one, no, quality meat, sorry. Quality meets and quality Italian. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Dinner on me. Next time we're all in New York being around me. Let's go. That would win for us, Jim. We got to end every.

Huge win. Baseball. There he was. Treves Idol. Yeah. And after the episode ended, he actually said to us, he said, Hey, Hey,

I'd love to wear stuff that says job boy media all the time and talking baseball. I just, I want to invest in your merch. Hmm. And we said, wow, how about it? Yeah.

And then Jake told him about this new, new deal. I said, for you long, oh, co-talking. Catch yourself whatever you want and you'll get 10%. He was like,

that's bullshit. Just give me stuff. No, what did he say at the end? He's like, I'll get it. Love you guys. Love some merch. I always loved my time playing with Travis Plough.

Yeah. He said I liked Featherstone more. Oh, man, that I do. Let me tell you, we should maybe have Taylor on the show. He's quite the wild card. We'll get Featherstone code talking as well, 10% off at the Jam store. Go get yourself some nice. We'll leave it up for you guys, too.

We'll leave it up for you guys. There's nice stuff on there right now. Nice stuff. We're becoming nice. But we've got an ace in a hole that sounds like. I really don't like that thing, bro.