Talkin' Baseball (MLB Podcast) - 504 | Who is Baseball's Most Valuable Player?

Episode Date: June 22, 2022

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Hello and welcome to talking baseball. We were talking about fantasy draft. Who are you taking in baseball as your top guy? And we're writing a movie script players only. Hello and welcome back to talking baseball. Myself, talking Jake. Jake Ronald's story, Ellie, Trevor Clouffe coming live from the Magnum Studio out in L.A. with B.B.D. on the ones in two.

to no job today, getting caught up long weekend. A lot of funny business this weekend. And because it's a player's only up, players only ups are brought to you by Seat Geek. As you guys know, they are the geeks of Seats. That means they know what they are doing. And if you use code talking, you can get $20 off your tickets at Seat Geek for new customers. Go see Trebs been going to a lot of these L.A. games, Anaheim, Dodger. stadium. I used seat geek the other day the Cubbies were in town. Met up with our guy coach

ball game. And use seat geek. I'm a consumer. So it's super easy to do. The green bubbles show you where you got to go. If you're familiar with the North American street lights, you'll have a good idea how to use the seat geek app. They'll show you where the value is. Code talking, $20 off your first seat geek order. Trevor, my good friend, we just spent a nice weekend together. Oh. You disagree. We did. Okay. No, we did. We did. I was just thinking about it in my head, reliving some of the moments. Why green, yellow, red. I guess I get red and maybe green, but was there a reason for yellow? Isn't that in between the two colors,

or did I make that up? I guess there's other colors that I feel like get too similar to it. Like blues can look green. Blue would be calm. Like blue's calm, like slow it down a little bit. I would, you know, that sounds right. You gotta get the right blue.

Orange gets close to red. Somebody told me it was an orange light the other day. And I'm like, no, dude, that's not. It's yellow. I remember hearing the orange. I started thinking about it in my head, and it kind of made me think. Wait, is it orange?

Let's see. 1920, William Potts created the first tricolor, four-direction signal light. I don't know, man. Red was taken from railroads. I guess that initially was the initial stop, so that continued throughout the years. And then, yeah,

I think yellow was like close to red, but a different color. I don't know, dude. There's a thrillist article. I'm not reading it. I'm going to be honest with it. I don't. I don't really care. I don't.

I just came into my head a little bit. Trev, we're going to tell. Players only. Players only. We're going to talk some of the studs of the league right now. We're going to go into the GM's front office, which you and me have been waiting for for a while. Straighten these people up.

We're also going to, you had a good one, Treve. you said what what MLB guys are out there that if we were moviefying today the movie needs to be written and told yeah i got this from an amp the amp portion of our baseball today show one of our callers brought it up and they asked you know what was what story would you like to see be written about you know a baseball player or just like a legend the myth whatever it may be so we started thinking about it and we had some good answers on there but i said you know what for talking baseball, midweek app. We could expand on it a little bit.

I don't know where you land on this, if you care at all, if you know some stories or anything like that. I think there's a couple that kind of stick out right away. Everyone talks about the Daniel Navas story. So we can kind of, you know, we'll touch on that, I guess, a little bit. Like the background on that's pretty cool was kind of like shunned by, you know, his college that he was going to was like an equipment manager, leaves there, goes with JC,

works his way back on to college, doesn't get drafted, independent leagues, finally gets picked up by the Red Sox, big leagues first pitch, grand slam, bam. That movie writes itself. We don't even have to talk about that. It's an excellent Disney movie. Jake, you might even play Daniel Nava, very similar body types.

And I've seen the swing. Nava, nice looking swing. With all the Blitzball practice you've gotten lately, I mean, yours is just turning into something of a piece of art as well. You know the Navas story, right? Yes, I mentioned him in the intro. Coach Ballgame is obviously a massive fan of the Daniel Navas story.

I think he's got his like cartoon artwork done up for it. And it's, yeah, it's an all-time one. And yeah, I mean, and Trev, honestly, when you mentioned it, I loved it because we love talking about dudes here on talking baseball, highlighting these baseball players. How many, you know, going back to some of the roots of talking baseball, you hear everyone say, like, I don't really know baseball players. They're not as, they're not as famous as NBA NFL guys. Well, these guys have incredible stories,

whether you're talking about some of the international guys. And it's part of what made Talking Yanks popular when we were growing it. We were highlighting the players and who these guys are. And then talking baseball, same thing. It's why the second half of our show is player driven, because the more you know and the more connected you are to these players, the more you care. That's what makes sports the best reality television. Yeah, I love it. Individual players are, you know, I do think there are a lot of stories

that probably will never get told or if they do, they're on a very small scale. You talk about a lot of guys coming from the Latin countries, especially the Cuba ball players that are over here, the Cuban ball players that are over here, and what they had to go through to get even a chance to play Major League Baseball. You know, all those stories are crazy, incredible and you know a lot of those are kind of only told in the clubhouse so that would be interesting to see some of those

I kind of landed somewhere different and I think I know this is a player's episode right I know that me and you were professionals yeah we rake yeah I recently added floor hockey to my professional rank

yeah of sports that I play so that was cool for me But I landed on something a little different. And of course, everyone knows this story too. But we're talking about movies that should be made and I think will be made. And I want my movie to be successful, bro. Right. I'm not in it for like the indie thrill, like just to release a movie.

I'm not in it for the art. I'm in it for the cash, dude. Right. So you ready for this one? As all good artists are. Trev, I think I'm roaming ready for this one. You know, I actually, if it's too good, if you tell me this movie idea and it's too good,

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paint paint a picture for me we're making money that's the goal it's the theo ebstein story oh wow wow okay okay specifically we're talking the cubs section of his path we know the other path he's a he's a curse buster goes to the red socks does that whole damn thing but i'm i'm really into the curse of the billy goat right theo abstein's part in it doesn't have to be like a Theo Epstein biopic, but he's going to be, you know, kind of one of the main figures in it. Maybe we should, maybe I should start over it. It's not a Theo Epstein biopic. It's just that 2016 ball club and then maybe some of the history going into it.

It's a crazy history. I started kind of going down the rabbit hole here. Billy Goat Tavern. Bill Sianis started the whole damn thing. Famously went to game four. of the 1945 World Series with his pet goat named Murphy.

Okay. What were we doing? They were asked to leave. What were we doing? That was, 1994. What were we doing? Gone in the ballgame

with your billy goat, man. They asked the dude to leave, understandably so. But then he, he declared them Cubs. They ain't going to win no more. So first of all, think about that whole scene in the movie.

This guy's just like got, his goat he's going to the game he probably brought his own snacks you know because he's got to feed his goat the goat's probably you know using the bathroom all over the place they're like bro can you just like your goat is biting people it's like making too much noise get it stinks get it out of here this guy ends up like lightning strikes like the world kind of goes like dark for a second boom curse happens okay okay a lot of things have happened with the curse if you really go into it, you can kind of just highlight these things

throughout the movie, little clips. Apparently, I didn't know this. As I'm deep diving into this, Bill Buckner, former cub, goes to the Red Sox. We all know what happened with Bill.

Good player, but he's remembered for one thing. Yeah. Ball goes under his legs. Apparently, he's wearing a Chicago Cubs batting glove under his fielding glove.

Whoa. Did you know that? I didn't know that, true. Well, I don't like that. So that happened. And then after that, this guy did not like that he put the curse. His family did not like that he put the curse on the team. So there were several attempts from his family to overthrow the curse,

bringing the goat again to the game, trying to figure out all these different things. Lots of different subplots throughout this movie. But in comes Theo Epstein, who already has broken a curse. They bring him in. 2016 Cubs. You ever go ahead and just check that roster out? It's pretty damn good

I've looked at it yeah but you could tell me some of the names well do you like a guy named Anthony Rizzo I know you're really feeling that guy right now I've become fun he's a friend he gave me a baseball 26 year old just in the prime testosterone filled Anthony Rizzo on the Chicago Cubs

Addison Russell he was 22 at the time he's out the league but he was there Chris Bryant Jorge Stiller, remember him with the Homer. Dexter Fowler doing his thing. Jason Hayward, Javier, J.V. Bias, Wilson Contreras was 24. Not to mention the pitching staff they had.

Just a bunch of dogs on that dang staff. You had Jake Garietta, John Lester, Kyle Hendrix, John Lackey, and Jason Hamill. Anyways, they all get together. They break the curse. We can see that play out. Great series there. We have the game seven.

I think a lot of the stories backdrop will be in that game seven against the former Indians. You got that whole game. You got the rain delay. You got everything going on. Scene cuts to the end. Theo Epstein in left field in the bleachers in Chicago eating a goat. End scene.

It's over, bro. It's the new money ball. This movie would make so much damn money who wouldn't know what to do with ourselves. Okay. How you feel about that? Trev, I'm going to be honest with you. Okay. Love it.

Yeah. I'm a little shot. You're going Theo Epstein angle, but I understand you're going for the money side of it. Like I, you know, you're going for the curse killer. That's the curse killer. So is there any Boston in this movie? No.

This is, mention it. We'll mention it. But we're going to bring it back. This is it. It's the Billy goat curse. Like maybe there's, okay, maybe there's a scene. Maybe there's a scene where, you know, you mentioned Bill Buckner, who by the way, if you're a baseball fan, you probably heard this before, but his top, top 75 all time and hits. Like, an unreal career in it, it really sucks out he's remembered. but part of me also gets it. Anyways, there should be a scene in there

that's something about like ending the Red Sox curse and tied to Bill Buckner and the Cubs thing and maybe like, Steve Bartman. Maybe the Boston curse, like Boston wins the World Series and Theo looks at a picture of Buckner and he sees like the Cubs glove under his... And he's like, wait, could that...

Is that what I need to do next? Trev. I like it. I wanted to kind of give some cast members. If we can do that? No, it's kind of sad. A, I'm going to talk to baseball reference. Because when you click on that page,

it has, you know, it has all the top 12 players from that year when you traditionally click on a baseball reference page. It only has a couple of them in Cubs uniforms because it updates them as they continue in their career. Like on this page, I should not be looking at Chris Bryant in a Rocky's hat. I should be looking at Chris Brian in a Cubs uniform.

Well, these are some of the things I wanted to bounce off you. I feel like you'd be good at this as my casting. We're casting. That's where my brain jump there when you said Theo Epstein and he's going to be the star of this. I mean, that's where we need a ringer. Well, it's

I have either Toby McGuire. Oh. Or I have Jason Bateman. as my Theo Webstein. I kind of like the Jason Bateman thing. I think he's kind of on fire. But I don't know if the personalities match.

I think maybe it's a more Toby Gwyer situation. I don't know if that's where you landed on this or not. So, and I'm doing this on the fly because you wanted to introduce this to me. The only other name, I like those two options, you're obviously getting two very different characters there. I mean, you're kind of getting, you know, Jason Bateman's proved he can do the intense thing, you're also going to get a little more humor there, Toby McGuire. I mean, kind of the epitome of Spider-Man in my head.

He is my Spider-Man. I know that's controversial on the internet. Is he typecasted for you? The only other guy that I think I'm thrown in the mix. Okay. How about Tofer Grace? That 70s show. You know, I think.

Kind of the same person as Toby McGuire. Exactly. Like I basically just twisted Toby McGuire a little bit more. You know, I just, I googled to, you know, to educate myself, Theo Epstein doppelganger. And an article came up that said Ben Affleck. Are you seeing that at all? Like a clean. Oh, get out of here.

Ben Affleck's not in this movie, okay? If this was a movie about the Red Sox, we have Ben Affleck. Okay. I'm sorry. I shouldn't have brought that up. I got a couple good ones for the players. Chris Bryant, you know, you think about the eyes. They're sharp.

They're pointed. You know, Chris Pine. Okay. Good for that. Yeah, I like that. The only problem is it's tough. Like, these guys aren't going to be able to play baseball. So, like, some of these guys I'd like them to play themselves.

Like, Jake Arenda is in the exact same shape that he was. He's in the flick. For the 2016 Cubs. Like, he just plays Jake Garrieta. I can only allow one of those, though, because that makes it awesome. It's like we had to bring in actors for everyone else, but Arieta's just in the flick. Well, him and Dexter Fowler are both in incredible shape still, so maybe we just say two. Okay.

I could be tucked into it. You know, I'm a heart cell. And I wanted John C. Riley for Anthony Rizzo, but I think that's not fair to Anthony Rizzo. That's not who Rizzo wants, Tom. It's tough. I'm a 26-year-old Anthony Rizzo. That's tough, true. Yeah, it's 26 years old.

It's tough. I'm just going by looking. and I need actors. Maybe more of a Joe Madden. Maybe John C. Riley plays John Lester. It's still really... Remember, John C. Riley is a baseball movie guy. Right, but Trev, I love John C. Riley,

but, I mean, he's 57. Adrian Frody playing Kyle Hendricks? I'm all in. All this on works. I'm all in. No, it's funny. Both of them just did the Lakers show. You can have...

Someone old can play a young Kyle Hendricks. But someone old can't play a young Anthony Rizzo, dude. He can't do that. I disagree, dude. I think Anthony Rizzo has looked old his entire life. Like, he doesn't act old. He's not like... He's not like that, but like his face is...

It's an adult face. He doesn't have a baby face. I mean, the other thing here, is you get a couple stars and then you get a bunch of young guys to hopefully get their breakout role. Yes, yes. And maybe a little bit of background in baseball

we could just kind of dip into the minor leagues get some guys. I like that aspect of it. And kind of we'll end with this because look, it's a phenomenal movie it's going to get made. I wish someone's bought the rights to it. I don't know who.

Maybe the Cubs. Maybe Theo probably for his life. One of my favorite parts of movies. Jay Cup is at the end we know you know they're going to win blah blah but then we start seeing like they go close up on Chris Bryant and it's like Chris Bryant you know left the Cubs and signed a massive deal with the Colorado Rockies he's still doing this Anthony Rizzo you know really found a home with the Yankees they won the 2022 World Series together he was the MVP he had massive homer stuff like that when they cut to Ben Zosososos

X-Ovice, singing the national anthem, there's going to be, like, dramatic, like, Trent Reznor background music, like foreshadowing what's going on there. And we're going to have to put that in there.

I got to tell you what. I, Ben Zobris got mentioned this weekend. And he was the hero. How do we not talk about it? She sang the national anthem. I don't like saying I hate people. that I don't know.

Life's kind of not about that for me, but man, I hate her. I don't like her. Like what that? I mean, obviously I'm team Ben. So team Ben. Maybe this would be huge for Zobris. Like he was at a game the other day.

That's what I'm saying. He gave him a standing ovation. And like this could be the revitalization. Like he'll be dating J-Lo like four weeks after the movie comes out. Sorry, Rod. 100%. This guy was an absolute.

stud, breaks the curse almost himself there in extras. Great reaction. Like we have it all going, but that whole thing is just kind of, we have to put it in the movie, Jake. I'm trying to sell tickets here, dude. Ben Zobras changed baseball. A little bit. Who plays Wilson Contreras himself? Does he get to play himself too? Because he looks the same. It's just so many guys playing themselves at this point. Who plays Hobby Pius? Oh, I mean, you could find an actor for Havi. I mean, hobby's, like, Havi's the, like, Havi's the sexiest guy in the team. Like, we have a hobby bias casting session and we will walk away with options. Roman ready, like, I mean, yes. You're, you're doing a body issue for the movie, so make sure you're in shape, let's go.

Like, you're going to need a couple, a couple in the eyebrows. Yeah. You're going to be a lot to needing Roman swipes than Roman's other products for casting hobby bias. I understand this is a silly concept and a silly thing for our show. I get it. But I really believe this movie is going to be made eventually. And, you know, I just want people like, hey, remember when talking baseball, said this is going to be a movie

and they explained how they would do it. I wish they were at the helm of this movie. I think that's what people will probably end up saying. I mean, is there? I'm Rezner, you're doing, you're doing the same. soundtrack. Okay. A late pitch for Epstein. He might not be young enough. He's in great shape and he looks great, though. Big Timothy Oliphant guy. I think he could have some good intensity for the role. Man, what's, okay. So this is- You know who can play Hendrix? Get Adrian Brody out of there. Okay, he's out. We need a little bit of sex appeal here.

Yeah. We got Hobby Baez, but we need a counterpart also. What about a Timothy shout? for Kyle Hendricks. That would do wonders for Kyle Hendricks. I love it. Yes. I wanted to hate, in the words of Dusty Baker, I wanted to hate that little fucker. Oh, it's the best.

I love him. So, yeah, if he's in this flick, I mean, talk about selling tickets. Those Kyle... Chris Pine, Timothy Shalameh, Jake Arenda playing himself. I mean, that's enough right there. for me. Those Kyle Hendricks sex scenes we've all been waiting for. Uh, finally come to life. Man. Shalame. I can't believe I'm a Shalame guy. I can't shake him. He's awesome. You can't shake

him. He did a part in this horrible movie called Like, Don't Look Up. Right. You see that yet? Yeah. It was bad. It's pretty bad. Like, there's some funny parts. He was pretty funny in that movie. I mean, I watched anything I've watched Shalame in, he's been my favorite part of the movie. I think that movie, I think Dune. I mean, obviously, he's like the main character, but I didn't enjoy the movie of Dune. The King, you see that movie? But I like Shalame. I don't think I've seen the King yet.

I think you like that. You're a Shalame guy, he turns into the king, a reluctant king, if you will. What's the other one where he plays the, like, male lead? I don't know. Now I'm other. I mean, there are some freaking name. on this team. Joe Nathan was on the Cups in 2016.

You love John Nathan. You think he should be in the hall. I think he's one of the best closures of all time. That's how your movie ends. He ends up in the Hall of Fame. Who's rocking the sideways bill for Pedro Strobe? Oh. Again, another sexy actor.

I'm trying to think of you that could be. So Moneyball was made in 2011. And those are about players from, what is it, like, 2003, 2002? Go two. So what's the age gap there? We're talking nine years to get the film to come out. So the Cubs movie comes out in 2025, which means we got a film. I mean, I needed...

2003. Yeah. We got a film in 2024. Which means we got a cat. in 2023. So this is sneaking up on us. We kind of got to get the ball rolling a little bit. I at least want an executive producer tag on there.

Yeah. And maybe me and you will just be casting directors. I think that'll be the funest part of the whole movie. Are you trying to be in this movie? Who would you be on the 2016 Cubs? That's a good point. That's a good point. You know us.

We're both kind of snakes. we're finding a way into this movie. I'm surprised you're not going for Arieta. What I was saying, I could probably, I need to get my body in a little bit better shape, but I could do that. Are we doing like an Easter egg type thing?

Or are we doing like, we're in the movie? I think we're in the movie. Okay. You could be John Lackey. I don't know if I can be John Lackey. You just kind of yell at people. You're definitely drinking beers,

like, kind of like, you know, a little sloppy, but you're, you know, you're doing it. Okay. Six, John. John Laickey. Veteran on the team. Six-six left-de-te-te-ture.

Like, he's a righty. How about Jamer Candelaria with five games on that Cubs team? Who no? Oh, my gosh. No, I got it. You're up-and-comer Kyle fucking Schwabre, bro.

That swing you got? Yeah. Easy. Easy. I might play David Ross. The old Wiley visit. You want to be Rossi? I like that for you.

Yeah, I've been old Wiley vet. Just like, damn, David Ross looks fucking good in this movie. You could be Chris Bryant. Come on, Trev. Copy that stance? No, he's too pretty. He's too pretty. He's too pretty.

Although I am a third base. I'm really not seeing a role for myself unless I'm Javi Baez, which people have said before. Miguel Montero is not a bad fucking go through for you, bro. Let's see That could work for you That's it That's all I got

This is this is I've been thinking a lot about it This is the movie that I want to make There's obviously other stories Oh dude Okay I found my role It's more of a cameo I'm going that route

That's more real I'm going to be a young Glaver Torres And I get traded for Chapman Wow Yeah Because you can pick it Like everyone sees like the future, you know, there, but we're kind of,

we're kind of going for it here. Right. Kind of quick, we weep when you get traded over. But we know that it's going to bring us a title. Right. Like I'm, yeah, maybe there's one scene where I'm like the beloved little brother on the team. And then the deadline rolls around. And, uh, yeah, it's just, it gets real.

It's like, damn, we're a good team. And now it's like, damn, we need to win the World Series. look I love Glaver Torres right he may he may win the world series this year but this is another example you got a chance to win a world series and you just need a piece you can give up a you can give up a prospect okay like go get that piece it's about winning the world series like go try that stop hoarding prospects I don't think the cubs regret that move at all you figure out for rest later half a season of so that movie's just ours now we basically just wrote the movie on an episode of talking baseball.

I'm a little surprised you didn't go more, because when I was thinking of this, I thought you would be going more individually. Like, I was looking up, you know, we've talked about him on a couple episodes now, Jose Kouas, who was, he was driving FedEx. He's a former infielder. Yeah. And then he switches over to try to make it as a pitcher. COVID hits.

He's driving FedEx. The dream's done. Now he's pitching for the Royals this year. Like, there's got to be something there. There's a lot of great stories like that. We've talked about some of the Cuban ball players. I mean, if you're, I guess that's, if we were trying to make a thriller, like a box office.

like I'm I don't want this to be shots fired but you're you're kind of copying a little bit from moneyball like there's something that works there society's seen it we're just putting the cubs twist on it a little bit is it a money ball thing though because this isn't about like you know I got no resources like right I'm trying to figure it out it's like here's the resources go break this curse this is the curse breaker maybe that's the maybe that's the name of of the movie. Curse Breaker's a badass title. Curse breakers a badass title.

The only thing I don't like is I'm giving someone who didn't go to Stanford all the credits, a Yale guy. So it's like, you know how us Ivy Leaguers are. I do. I do. As an Ivy League guy myself who went to Vanderbilt, I understand all of that.

They're saying that's the Ivy League of the southern part of the U.S. It's an expensive. So, like, kind of middle of the U.S. It's an expensive school. Traffic lights are red, yellow, and green. What other players, BPD? We were workshopping before this.

Your chat, and Anthony Ghost came up. Anthony Ghost. Mentioned him on a recent talk of baseball as well. That's, you know, that would show some of the highs and lows. You go through, you know, gets called up as a hitter and a major leaguer and all that excitement. I think the each row story is pretty good. I mean,

he has a story similar to like a Tiger Woods where like his dad was just making him practice since he was like a little kid. Right. And each row, I think there was a quote I was reading about he said like it was almost like hazing. Like it wasn't like he was like having fun doing it.

It was like his dad was making him play baseball all the time. Eventually he falls in love with a game and you know, we kind of I think a lot of people would like to know that story because nobody knows a lot of Chris Rose is saying that like nobody knows a lot

about each row like we know what he's done on the field and we know he's extremely popular and one of the best hitters of all time but like I don't know if a lot of people will know about like his background and stuff

he's like 15 years later we probably know a lot more similar similar vein Otani came up for us because he's best ever at everything there's kind of not enough there yet for the Otani movie we'll get a lot

little more. You can start dream boarding it. But yeah, that's, you know, you're planning that for the future. The, oh, so I was trying to tie this one together. The Gurriel brothers, they both came over from Cuba. And like if Houston and Toronto end up playing in the playoffs, like that would kind of be your final, your end. I like that.

You know, and maybe, you know, Yule is playing first base and Louris hits a screamer at him and Yule just lets it by. He's like, I've already done this. The one, let me give one more player. Okay. And we should probably move on to your topic. I also think like the Ken Griffey Jr. story will be great. and I think it would crush it at the box office, like talking about him and his dad,

playing for the same team, following him along, like the kid. I mean, the whole thing kind of writes itself, if you will. So I'd like to see that. Trev,

we talked about this beforehand. And I mentioned this. So, you know, if we were going like, like box office thriller, you could do, like, one of these,

one of the Cuban guy's stories. I mean, you know, I think a lot of people are kind of familiar with Puegs. Like his is insane. I mean, there's a laundry list of them and hey i'm i guess you know we we have to be careful what we say it's not

like i'm trying to profit off of these guys i hope these guys could profit off their own story but you know i mean we're talking guns and hiding and crazy shit like that that um those would be thrillers and then as you and i mentioned briefly before we started we'd want to work sex scenes in wherever we can that's what sells and dude i mean talk about griff I mean, in that Griffey movie, a young Ken Griffey Jr., like King of the World, coolest guy ever? I don't know. I don't know. You're telling me a couple of Ken Griffey Jr. sex scenes?

I don't know a lot about King Griffey Jr. sex life, so maybe we've got to pry into that a little bit. Ken Griffey Jr. Maybe we don't. Maybe we just leave it at that. Are you Googling it right now? No, I didn't Google that. It looks like he's been married since 92. So like... I wasn't going to say.

I think like he's like a family man, dude. Good for Ken Griffey. I mean, there could still be a sex scene, but... Yeah, it'd be a lovemaking. Yeah. I mean, that's the only kind of sex scenes we know, Trev. Well, I'm happy for you. I think Hollywood Trev, you know,

we're talking about, you know, future John Boy, media where where is everyone in 10 years it's going to be tough to keep you off a movie set with those kind of ideas all right so here we got i i should have looked this up earlier i just googled who owns cubs 2016 movie rights apparently uh radar pictures is developing a movie about the chicago cubs winning the 2016 what's that wasn't 2017 these these dudes haven't got the ball rolling fast enough so we might just have to steal that from them how about that. And dude, I always like, you always hear Hollywood stories where it's like it took 10 years to get

it off the ground and then it finally got hooks in it. So like that's kind of, I'd assume that's what they're waiting for. Melissa and Ken Griffey report reportedly met in an alcohol-free dance club during his rookie season. So, okay, there's something there. Tight. Would you say, oh, my God, too, before that? I'm just looking at all these there's some ideas for casting in this movie online

that it's not very good it's not very good give me a couple bad ones well they have they have Robert De Niro as Joe Madden don't hate that okay

big name man maybe he's a little too old now and then they had Matt Damanist Theo Epstein, which I don't, I don't like that one either. No. Now we've got Affleck. Who plays Steve Bartman? Because I like, that scene is going to be in the movie as well.

You know what? I need a comedian there. I need a funny guy. Who's the guy that plays Mr. Robot? Isn't that guy? He also played, he played a... Ramey Malik. Freddie Mercury, too.

Most people remember him from night at the museum, but yes. He could also be Theo Epstein. but maybe he's a little too intense He's got an intense look to him I see what you're saying Maybe he could be Bartman then Play like a really shady Bartman Tom Hollins everywhere these days

Oh I love him Yeah I mean he's Channing Tatum's also gonna be in my movie Just because he I want him in my movie Yeah Zach Ephronas Chris Bryant I don't know I could see that

Um Okay All right Trev let's talk a little baseball Can we get Jaden Smith in the movie? You're probably looking at the same article I'm with that now. I just, I googled best young actors. Oh, well, they have him as playing Addison Russell in this.

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If you're trying to get your health on, let's do it with AG1 athletic greens. All right, Trevor, my guy. We continue the episode. There definitely weren't a bunch of tech issues. Trevor, a guy who's your internet best friend, maybe, Foolish Bailey. What's going on with you to? Where are you guys at?

I genuinely have no idea. You know, he's kind of gone MIA on me. I don't know. I did a thing with him. We did referencing baseball with T. Plouf. We did that. Had a nice little relationship going. And then me and Foolish kind of fell off.

I mean, I don't know if like I did something or it's been tough for me. You know, I thought I had like a young friend who I can go to talk the game. I love his perspective on it. But really, he's kind of just like ghosted me a little bit. So, you know, I'm working through that and I've made some new friends, but there always be like what could have been with Bailey. Well, maybe this can start the healing process. Bailey, he sometimes tweets out. I think I started doing it first, whatever.

Not trying to be controversial, but just the concept of, you know, if you're on Twitter, just a little Q&A. Like, you got me for a little bit. Oh, yeah. You came up with that idea, a Q&A on Twitter for sure. I mean, I wouldn't say I invented it. I think in the baseball sphere. I think I beat Bailey to it.

Anyways, just, you know, being men of the people. Okay. And Bailey was doing that last night, and we're both out of the part. Baseball nerds, Trev, I know we haven't gotten you there yet. But it's also the basic concept of if chaos hit tomorrow and baseball hit the reset button and there was an actual fantasy draft. Everybody's a free agent. And I think within those confines, we do, you know, some general.

We're going to keep contracts the same because that makes the most sense. we're going to, you know, assume that teams are a little more fair paying. Like if we're, you know, the guardians, we're not necessarily going to have, maybe we're open to $150 million payroll. Maybe every team is, so you don't have to be limited by resources. Basically, it becomes a time value equation, right? It's if you're playing Madden, you draft the young quarterback because you know you're going to have them under control and cheap for a few years.

Baseball, it's kind of the same thing, right? but I wanted to walk through it with you because I thought Bailey's answer was interesting and I you know, A, I think this is going to show us a lot of the young guys around the league and I want to get creative with it. I always want to get a little funky with you, Tref. So do you know who Bailey answered as his number one pick if there was a fantasy draft tomorrow? I don't, but I think that there's an obvious answer here because you're talking about contracts are staying the same.

It's, Acuna has got to be the one. I don't even think we should talk about Acunia on this because he's locked in at 17 mil for the next three years, I believe. Then you have two more years of team options at that price. So like that being for what he is and who he is and who he can be. I think he's a career 915, 916 OPS guy. We know he brings everything. He's a face of the franchise guy. So I think he probably answered him if I had to guess. That is what Bailey answered. He's also. also Braves fan. But the argument,

the argument is clearly there. Yeah, he is, he is six for 102 the next six years up until his age 30 season. A, that's ridiculous. I know we've talked about that previously, but my goodness,

Ronnie. I don't know. I guess where my brain started spinning a little bit is you know, he's playing right field this year. I feel like, you know, right field is a position that you don't necessarily jump up and say, like, I need that guy. I don't know, man. You know, should we be having more Vladimir Guerrero Jr. conversations?

I know he had a bad May, but, like, he's 23 years old. He's got a career 880 OPS. You know, people threw Tatis out there, but he kind of has the bad. on the way. Should we be talking about pitchers at all? You're kind of. You could talk about pitchers here. I think, you know,

I know for me and you guys, you and Jimmy as well, we go over the TPPs. If a team doesn't have starting pitching, we're like, you're not a team. You're not going to be in this at all. So you could do, you know,

a Sandy Alcantata. Okay, because he's a stud. He eats innings in a time when people don't throw in. anymore. He's been basically the best pitcher in baseball this year, and they got, they locked them up. So he's cost controlled. Let me see. I got the salary up right here. He's cost controlled until 2026. There's a team option for 2027. So you can get him through age 30. So this year plus four more, 6.3 next year, 9.3 through the next year, 9.3 through the next 17 and then 17. Then there's a

21 option. I think he's in the running for this. Because if you're talking about controlled costs, which basically what we're doing is like good players, good young players that have signed team-friendlyish deals, I think Sandy's got to be like, you know, at the top or near the top of that list. So he's definitely in the running for

something like this. Well, and that's where I understand the argument where Sandy has already signed for a little bit and Ronnie is already signed for a little bit. And they're proven. obviously. But I mean, if we're going pictures like someone like a Shane McClanahan, I mean, he's on year two now. He has the best ERA in the American League. He's a young lefty flamethrower.

Like, in theory, you could get another season or two from this guy, and then you can also maybe get one of those extensions where you add on one or two years at a quote-unquote team-friendly or price. Like, that's where I think if you're willing to go pitcher. I think the board opens up a lot because I think I can make a Shane McClanahan argument just as much, if not better, then Alcantara. Who did you call him? I don't know, man. I try my best every time and I get so scared. Jimmy threw the tada thing thing in my head and it's fucked up my head. Yeah, that is tough. Yeah, I mean, I get it.

I think they're of the same ilk here as far as, you know, cost-controlled young pitchers who are studs. Sandy's got a little bit more of a track record there, so I like that. But yeah, McClanhan's definitely in the running. You're right. You open up the pitcher game. There's a lot of guys that, you know, are young stud pitchers that haven't signed a long-term deal.

I just like the, I just like thinking of having it already locked in. Now I know Shane's going to be locked in for another three years, four years before he hits free agency. so you have just arbitration cases for him. What are those going to look like if he continues to do what he's doing here? Those could rise pretty quickly. So I think the deal for Sandy's probably going to be better. And I'm just saying if McLeanahan continues to be the pitcher he is,

like those arbitration years are going to be pretty damn big. And you kind of got Sandy locked in there. You can't go wrong with either of these guys at all. If this went down in real life, like in real, real life, Yes. What's up with Otani? Like, is he not, is he not the one? Does it depend what market you're in?

Because in a couple years, he's going to get paid more money than any baseball player ever. I think that he is, it kind of depends on how you're going to do this. We're doing it for one season. We're doing it for the 10 years. We're starting a dynasty. Like, this isn't one year. Because one year, I think everyone's back in play, right? Like you're bringing trout in play.

You're bringing everyone in play. We're starting dynasty mode. And so, you know, the money is still a factor, but the young guys obviously become more valuable than the older guys. I think Otani is, if we're doing it kind of thinking about, I don't know, the next four or five years, you are going to have to price in a massive jump or you're risking losing him. So if you draft him now, obviously he's, I think he's cost control for the next.

I hate saying that about players. Yeah. Cost control does sound weird. I don't like that. I can't even... Where is his salary on here? Okay. So he's just doing ARB right now.

Yeah. I mean, he's like the obvious choice then. If we're doing it kind of like you're saying, like yeah, you go ahead and go ahead and get a show hey. You get two players for one. You get the marketability. You get the face of the franchise.

He is a free agent in 2024, though. That's what I'm saying. saying like he could be out the door pretty quick. I thought it was one more year after that. Dang, man. I think he's definitely in consideration. You have to be willing to spend the big bucks. You're going to be willing to give a massive, massive deal in 2024.

So you know, this year and yet, so basically we're doing for one year. I think Otani's out for me then. It's the cost a lot of money. And if we're talking about starting a franchise from scratch, it's probably a Coonia. It's probably a Coonia for me. I think Bailey was right. I wonder, I don't think it's ever going to happen in my lifetime. But man, oh man, if a major sport, if baseball or NFL or NBA had the full set just roster redraft,

I think it would be one of the most watched things in sports history. I mean, to watch your team just fully rebuild from the ground up, that's like a dream of mine. and I just don't think it's going to happen. It's never going to happen. You know, it's funny. It's like, we think about Ronnie and like, oh, man, he rakes. He's like, you know, he can steal bags.

He can do all that. Atani does. Right. It's just as good as him. Plus, he can pitch, dude. So like, Otani is like the guy, but just the money aspect of it. I think the value in a Kuna type player is just almost too good to pass up. I mean, what if I told you it's a while till Tommy Edmund's a free agent?

I love Tommy Ebman, I told you that. Yeah. Racking up war. Tommy Edmund would be like a sneaky like second or third rounder in this draft. People wouldn't bet what? I'm like, no, go look. Like the guy can play all the middle positions, second base shortstop. You put him out in the outfield if you needed them.

Gold glove, steals bases. Like, you know, he's not going to have power like the rest of the guys, but a table setter, if you will. I love Tommy. But he's not in this conversation just yet, though. So what if I rewrite it, Trev, that we are doing one season? One season of Major League Baseball. And like your life is on the line. Showing.

Show hey. Show hey. Show hey. We're talking about getting the most value out of someone. Are we talking about like, I mean, you got to rephrase the question. Because you just said my life is on the line. My life is very important to me and to maybe a few other people. But Shoah, I think, for one season, especially like this year or this next coming year, you're going to pay him whatever it is.

Yeah, it's it's showy. I fully get it, but I also don't. Like, I don't know. I guess I have injury stuff in my head, but Show Hey is literally two guys. He's literally two-fueled. He's a career 875 OPS dude. Ronald de Cunia Jr. is a career 915. So you're getting like, you know, 30 extra OPS points,

but you're also getting a pitcher that's very good in O-Tani. Trout doesn't enter your mind at all. Of course he enters my mind. He's always not. I'm always thinking on Mike Trout and that fucking home runs me. It's ridiculous. But, oh, I think O-Tani, I mean, we're talking about most valuable player in the big leagues is kind of what you just asked me.

It's O-Ton. Yeah. I'd consider Troulton. I'd have to think about the other teams around the league. Because, man, Trout's one dot in this year. He's got a career one dot. I know. Not to be shots fired at Otani,

because there's still a lot of baseball left to play and we'll see where his numbers land. But, you know, Shohei Otani is having a nice year, and he has a 789 OPS. Like, you know, I think that number's going to come up. He's obviously a special guy. It will. This is well below average.

It's well below average for him. It'll be high eights, if not the nines by the end of the year. All right. I don't know. And he steals bags too. Daddy Trout, though? I love trout. Big old neck thick boy.

All right, Trevor. I had two answers. Like long-term Acuna just because of the contract. Obviously the player matters too there. He's a stud. But then like one year, you're just trying to maximize your value, like your return on investment. I think it's up tommy. Sound off in the chat.

I wish Bobby Witt Jr's numbers were a little better this year. I love him. Like, if his numbers were a little better this year, like, I think he's a kid that could enter the conversation. I mean, it's one of those... As of late, he's been crushing it. That's what I'm saying. Like, you end up going down these baseball wormholes

where, you know, Bobby Wood Jr. in a couple years could make it look really dumb that we did or really dumb that we didn't take him. But it's the path of baseball, like the value of baseball. He has been killing it lately. and he just looks like a ball player. I can't believe he's fast. He's so fast.

Very fast. They did a swing comparison, him and Trout, early in the year on Twitter. Pretty similar, no wasted movements. It's an incredible swing that the guys got on. You know, I love me at their basement, too, although he did play shortstop a lot, but that's me too.

Me too, me too. All right, Trev, we're going to get out of here. funky episode today. I hope you people enjoyed it. Sound off in the comments, all your favorite players that we definitely missed that you're going to be mad about.

Who's going to be the one person and everyone's still pissed off at us about? I mean, we never mentioned Tatease. You know, he's locked up on the contract. Yeah, I mean, I think Soto deserves a lot of love. He's getting closer and closer to that payday, but he's one of the best hitters ever,

like, ever, ever. So, yeah, it's, it gets tricky. Like, you know, is Wander Franco, who, Franco, who he's supposed to be? Like, he's, yes. And he's locked up for that many years. So it's almost, you don't even have to do a free agency. It's just kind of like a fixed cost. This guy is going to be on your team and hopefully be a stud.

I know he's missed a little time this year. I think it's a lot of the young guys. And then, you know, it's, how good is your good currently? like Jose Ramirez just signed not a bad extension and is he going to be that dude for the next four or five years and you can just pencil that into your lineup. It's where the baseball gets fun. All the young pitchers we just ran through.

Like, you know, you could do that with a lot of young dudes and how good are they going to be for the next. If you get a dude for five years, it's going to anchor your starting pitching staff, I don't know. I could build a team around that pretty easily. That's why I, Sandy. He's my guy.

If not Bobby Miller, the Dodgers, kind of been following him on Instagram. Love what he's deal. No, that vibe that he's got. But Sandy's, that's why I kind of gave Sandy. I love the idea of him just anchoring the staff, throwing 200 innings in a time where that doesn't happen very often.

And he just looks like the real deal. Like the mechanics look so fucking good. Like, like, yeah. I hope, uh, I hope we get the prospect lovers in the chat because that's when it gets fun.

Give me a Grayson Rodriguez, you know. no idea if he's going to be good or not but just throwing darts babe I mean that's if this happened in real life that would be the real seeing what teams just take all the young guys seeing the old guys getting paid

slipped late but they could be the best player on your team like what do you do with judge who's going to be a free agent and he's about to get $300 million dollars like that's this is this is like that meme or it's like, she's,

they're in bed, like a couple's in bed and she's like, looking at him, he's like, what he's thinking about. And he's like, us dumb baseball fans are like,

what if there was an expansion draft? And we had to pick a team, like, who would go first? Where would Aaron Judge go knowing that his contract's going to end? Last. Is he good?

He's so good. He's so fucking good. He's so, so good. All right. Thank you, everybody. We will see you guys on the Friday.

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