Talkin' Baseball (MLB Podcast) - 70 | Live From Santa Monica with Jack Flaherty & Trevor Plouffe

Episode Date: January 15, 2020

We talked about Jacks dominant second half, shaking off Yadi for the first time, facing his HS buddy in the playoffs, the new rule changes and the Astros cheating scandal. Live Q&A from the audience for the second half. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Hey everyone. I'm just going to do those all night. Just get the crowd going. This is talking baseball? Yeah. Talking baseball. I'll start off. We'll go to my left. We have, to my left, beautiful hair, nice jacket tonight, twin star, A's, rays, Texas, Philly Spring Training. Oh, the crowd laughed. Texas Spring Training, Philly's show. I beat your Dodgers, by the way. Ladies and gentlemen, Trevor Plugh!

Thank you. Hell of an intro. To his left. I think he's a ball player. Okay. Okay. Young guy, we'll see if he's got the makeup. up, decent second half of the season. Pitcher for the Cardinals, Jack, Flaherty!

I hear some booze out there. He's got a fan section in right field. All the way to the left, Jimmy O'Brien, and I am. You've seen the videos. You've seen the gray hair. John Boy, the great Jombino Jimmy O'Brien. Thank you. Damn. Can I say something to start real quick?

Yeah. Because we are in Santa Monica. Okay, I'm a Valley Boy, but I know what Santa Monica means. And Jack and I, one of our best friends on July 1st, passed away, and he's a Santa Monica legend, so it wouldn't be right to not start the show off with a little bit of toast to our good buddy who's not with us. And I guarantee he'd be here on the stage if he was here, if he would live today. Yes, he will.

So, big up to Ty, Ty, Skag, Santa Monica Legend. Cheers! And on the right, we got a belly shirt wearing can't read, can't write dummy named Jake Storelli. And anyone that's here that has no idea what's going on and you got off work, you have some beers and you're in the back. We are a baseball podcast called Talking Baseball. Believe it or not, there's a lot of people that's still like baseball out there. Hell yeah. We thank you all for showing out.

And we got a little news today, and I'm sure you're all excited. I don't know how much we're going to dive into at the beginning, but we're going to do a Q&A at the end and fire away. But for a while, we got to talk to Jack here. He's the star of the show. Well, we do have Trev sitting right here. No, no, no. He's a rookie.

He's still working his way in. I'm trying. I'm trying. I brought the talent in today. Jack is my friend. Forget about that. I met him yesterday, and we had a good handshake, so we're good. This is our first ever live show.

So thank you all to everyone showing. We had a conversation, we had a conversation on the phone with the great people here at Santa Monica Brew Works. They said, how many people do you think will show up? I said, I don't know, maybe 20, 40. Bill, said, you're an idiot. I think we're going to get a lot more people than that. And he was right and I was wrong. So thank you to everyone that showed up.

This is pretty wild. Usually it's me in one room alone and Jake in another room alone talking to each other room alone talking to each other through the computer. So this is a bit different. Times are good. Times are good. Neither wearing pants. Oh. Well, that's a visual.

Okay. Yeah. Still not. Still not. Where do we start? Do we start with you guys? I mean, I don't want to throw it in too deep, but I mean, Trevor, well, I will. Trevor, and you're connected to, I feel, every baseball player from California.

You're a proud Valley boy? Can I say that? My Valley guy, yeah, absolutely. You're one of the... Are you valley people out there? Where's the Valley at? Valleys represent. There you go.

I guess start with your guys' connection. I mean, I've known you for a brief period of time. Unfortunately, you've been nothing but nice to us, so we've started a little friendship here. And maybe you're just a nice dude. I'm not buying that. I'm going to ask Jack about that in a little bit. But I don't know. How did your guys friendship start, or where do you guys go back to?

We, you know, the baseball world in Southern California, and in general, is very small. So if you play baseball around, you know everybody, right? And we started, and I say we, it's me and Ryan Braun go way back. He's another Valley guy. And we started working out together at Pepperdine University. Go waves. Yeah, go waves. And we had a nice rapport there, a nice setup.

And before we knew it, our agency, CAA, started sending all the local guys. is over. So randomly one day this guy shows up and Tyler Skagg shows up and Lucas Golito and Max Freed and you know the baseball world in LA it's I mean it puts out some really talented people so we started working together and the other guys we made pay their dues like they couldn't work out with me and Ryan and so wow yeah but Jack came in he was just different like we knew this guy was going to put the work in and it was just like, we just saw his demeanor. And from the day, we just started working out together and developed a really good friendship. How old was, how old were you when all this went down? I was 18. Yeah. I was 18. Freshly drafted,

walking to this gym. And that first one, that first year, I wasn't able to work out with you guys. I still worked out with them. And then the next year, you guys were like, all right. We saw, we You come to the 8 a.m. group, you know. You were the old guy in the gym, just trying to yell at everybody. I'm a motivator. He's the motivator. He's the one he's yelling. He's trying to get everybody to work hard.

His big thing was don't let the old guy outwork you. And I did every day. Nah, he never, uh. So yeah, to set up a picture of this, we worked out in a gym that was half the size of the area that we're in back here. The dungeon. We call it a dungeon, very small little workout facility at Pepperdine. And people, you got. People got on my nerves a lot.

I mean, there's very small space there, and Jack never got on my nerves. But Skag's got on my nerves all the time. Lucas and Max got on my nerves all the time. The Heineman brothers are also Santa Monica people. If anybody knows them, you'll know why. But, no, but no, for real, Jack has just been, you know, we knew from day one, like hard worker, this guy's going to be something.

And then this year, I mean, obviously, I think everybody in the baseball world knows who Jack is. Yeah, man. Well, yeah. Jack, you're in high school. your star pitcher, your junior year, you went 13 and 0, you had a 0.6.6.3a. Your senior year, you go 10 and 0, you have a 0.63RA. What I want to know is, did you feel bad? No.

Feel bad. Like when the eight-hole hitter and the nine-hole hitter that looked like Jake stepped to the plate. Why is everyone laughing? I got to be a bully to this kid? No, I mean, there's never a reason to feel bad. I'm usually as Trev. Treff had a pretty good high school career too. No?

I didn't feel bad. We heard a little story about Trev. Yeah. He was a freshman. First game. First game on varsity through a no-hitter. That is true. I actually did not know that.

That is true. I'm impressed. I got it. I don't release all my, you know, my secrets around. You always said you could pitch. Every day we'd go out there, we'd throw. You're out there. You want a flat ground.

You want a bullpen. You think you can pitch and you think you're good at something, and then you get around somebody like Jack or or Max or Lucas, and you realize the guy was. I was shit. Well, you were freshmen, those guys were seniors, right? Or junior? They graduated before you?

Me? I was a sophomore and they were seniors. They were two years older than me. So once they left, that's when you had. Once they left, I started pitching more, and that's kind of where it went from there. And somehow I stopped being a position player. I still don't know how to have. Could you swing?

I used to. Yeah? Used to. Stop shaking your head. You know who the real athletes are. Whoa. Whoa. I don't give a lot of credit to pitchers being athletes, but you're one of them.

I'll see. I appreciate that. Well, speaking of that, I made a couple breakdowns of you this year. Don't know if you've seen them because they were a view. I have not, but I heard about one of them from Trev. Okay. You star pitcher, fantastic season. Sy Young votes.

You got thrown out twice on the base. Twice. In the span of a week? I'm sure these guys over here remember that game. They started clapping for Sai Young. boats and then you ended it with thrown out on the basis twice twice a weird mix of claps so the first time you got gunned at the plate yeah and they were both to end the game right both ended the game yeah oh yeah the second time they say jack we

need you to run are you like screw you no I'm like let's go all right and nobody else wants to be put in that situation as a pitcher I'm like all right let's go do go ahead second one was a pick picked off yeah picked off really really really really good report. Yeah, I was underprepared for that one. But yeah, that one got me way more than the one getting thrown out of the plate. Yeah, there's a shot of you looking like really sad. Like, why did they have me run when I'm a pitcher?

Only thing, coach, I don't do this ever. Yeah, you know, it was, damn, I can't believe that just happened. It all happened so fast. I got out there next to, you know, I was picked off and the game was over. You were given the measurement. Like, how big's my lead? I was not exactly. And then I got to watch the replay, see what happened, you know.

Just a little bit of hope because they're replaying. You watched that replay? I didn't, I was on the field for like 15 minutes. Yeah, oh yeah, you were just looking at the board also. I was just like, all right, I'm going to let everybody leave. The Marlins were looking at you. Like, is he okay? Yeah.

I ended up being all right. Yeah, you ended up being pretty good. Yeah, right. We heard a story. So the first half of last year, your first 16 games, the ERA is at that's stella. that's stellar. Next 16 games, Jake, what is it? 0.93, something like that.

Is it? 16 games. I think the better thing for what we're doing is, so we started, we did the Yankee stuff. Yeah, we're the Yankee fans at. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So then we were like, all right,

people kind of like us. Should we do MLB stuff? So then we got into MLB stuff. And we started a segment called Enflago. And it was like, who's hot? Like, who had a really good series or something like that. And Jack, what you did was you took over the Enflago section, because you got dirty the second half, bro. So, yeah. Yeah. Now, if I ask you what the difference is, what changed?

What's your answer? Simply put it was execution. Okay. You know, you get in situ, I mean, that's the, that's the big reason. I don't have no special answer for you. Because that was a leading, You just led right there. Yeah. The dude to your right takes full credit. Yeah. He showed us text exchange from July 2nd. The difference happened on July 3rd.

He said, he gave you some real good advice. And he's the reason for your second half. What did you? What did you tell me? He's playing it super cool right now. You know exactly. What happened? What happened was we were talking.

And you had said something about how you just didn't feel consistent. and then I just gave some words of wisdom. And then from that point on, you were the best pitcher in the league, and I took a lot of credit for it. Behind your back, I didn't tell you that. It's okay. Behind your back, I took a lot of credit for it. Apparently, I didn't give you enough credit for that.

In your next interviews, yeah, you should definitely give me credit to that. I'm going to have to go back and take back a lot of what I said. Gave credit to a lot of people, but not you. I apologize. I think that's just because we're friends. That's okay. You know, I took our conversation and just kind of ran with it. What he was hoping is, after I asked what changed, you were going to say,

well, check out. this text exchange. I thought that I thought that might have. Trevor really helped me out. Didn't happen. That's, I mean, yeah. I mean, you say execution. And I mean, again, I do a lot of stuff on a day-to-day basis and I try to execute. And it doesn't always work out. Name one thing. You're like, I'm going to go into this and execute it. I honestly, if I'm taking my dog out, I'm like, all right. Let's get to the elevator. If I see someone be friendly, But keep it moving. But Jack, when you say execute, I mean, that's, that's, because everyone goes out there and tries to execute.

I mean, did you? Yeah, try to execute and execute are two different things. Oh, okay. I like that. You have to try. You can try to do a lot of them, but actually get it done. I've never crossed over to execute. You can try to walk your dog well, but you won't.

I've never executed. Jake somehow found the only dog dumber than him. Whoa. Cut the mics. Jack liked that job. Cut the mics. Cut the mics. But dude, just, I mean, we won't fully deep dive if you don't want, but I mean, execute or anything else?

I mean, execute and, you know, kind of have some fun out there. I tried to put a lot of pressure on myself, tried to do a little bit too much and just went out there and play ball. That's interesting because I'm pretty sure I texted you that to relax a little bit. He spelled it out one hundred times a little bit. You know, what I told you was have some perspective. Get out of the baseball world. I said your 6-6, good-looking guy. He heard that before.

23 years old. He loves to say these things. Anchoring a playoff rotation, let's go, Jack. You did say that. Yeah. That was it. Hey, blue. You told me to relax, have fun.

Next time Jake's taking noodle for a walk, can you just like let him know? Like, hey, dude, you're 5'6. You've got a great dog. I hate noodles. So, yeah. Your doctors say you're technically obese. They say that to everyone.

Yeah. Doctors are messed up. Doctors are messed up. And welcome to the doctors. Hey, let's give our Cardinals fans some interesting stuff. Oh, yeah. Your catcher, Yadi. Yep.

How long did it take for you to shake off Yadi as a rookie pitcher? Great question. Wow. I actually, I shook him in the first game. The very first game. And it was just one of those things where he called something and I was like, this is not going to work out. He called something.

He was trying some stuff and I was just, it's not going to work out. I'd have to. I was scared. I mean, that's Yaddi or Molina. I mean, you don't shake him off. And I get that question all the time. Did it work out? I think I still threw a ball, but, you know, in my head, it was what I had to do. Do you go into the dugout after that half inning?

Are you avoiding him? You're scared to death. You're running the other way, like, oh, my God, just please don't say anything. Just let me get through this first one. We can talk about it another time. I want to ask you about Yadi, too, because, you know, know, I haven't pitched since high school, but I do remember what it feels like to throw to a different catcher. So you get up to the show, you're throwing to Yadi. Is it like instant

rapport right away, or is it like a time, like a little bit of a learning curve for both of you? Because sometimes you get a catcher, you just don't like to throw to them. And name all the catchers you don't like. I can't hear that. Full names. I can't disclose that information. No, with Yadi, it was like, well, we're watching the game too. Hold on. What happened? I don't know. you's going to win.

Yeah, they're winning. The game is in New Orleans. Sorry, guys. No, with Yadi, it's like, you want to be perfect. That's, you know, that is a living legend back there. And you want to get up there and you're like, okay, I got to show something to this guy. I remember the first bullpen I threw to him and I was like, I just hope I can kind of put the ball. And then every pitch you throw, it feels like you hit him right in the glove.

And he makes it, he makes it look really good. That's awesome. But at the same time, you're like, you get into the game and you want to show. show them something. And it's kind of a, it's a very fine line to walk of trying to be perfect and do this, but also have fun and play the game the right way. And that's something that takes, that has taken, that took myself and other guys that have come up before us. They've said the same thing. They're like, well, I'm just trying to be fine. You know, that's Yadi back there. I'm like, you can't really do that. Yeah. You have to be able to pitch your game,

matter what it is. Yeah, that's a big thing. Like, having that, like, confidence and a catcher. Like, if you don't like throwing to a catcher, like, there's multiple scenarios where that happens throughout the league all the time where guys have their catcher that they can throw to. And a lot of times people are like, oh, that's bullshit. You shouldn't have your own catcher, but it's a real thing. You have to feel comfortable. Some guys you like throwing to. Some guys, you're lucky the other. Yeah. And then you build that and you're just, and then you trust him. And every pitch he puts down, you're just like, yep. And then you get into a rhythm and you just keep going. So he's a, but he's an easy got to trust. What were your, I think this is funny talking about

being comfortable. This is something we cross paths with Trevor and we're trying to link like a random bar story, but his minor leagues, he went to hard-hitting New Britain, Connecticut, Rock Cats. And that's actually where we went to college. We were there briefly at the same time.

CC. SU, baby. No, no CCSU fans in L.A. What were your minor league cities? What was your favorite minor league city? Let's try to put it in a good light. Well, my favorite, my favorite minor league city, I wasn't there very long, but Springfield, Springfield, Missouri, that was a good time, college town.

Okay. Mississippi State. Or Missouri State, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. They're good baseball school, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Baseball school, shared it with them there. And then my first stop in Loway, Peoria, Illinois, that was a good spot. That was a good spot.

We had a lot of fun there. So when you were in Springfield, Missouri, would you guys roll up to a bar and see the college baseball team and be like, sorry, fellas. Well, if that, if, I'm your chick. When that would happen, we'd actually, we'd just join in with them. Okay. That's good. We had a good time with them.

That's a good answer. Yeah. That's a good. We had a good time with them. I don't think it was ever like, you know, I mean, there's a little bit of like, they want to be in that situation. And, uh, yeah. Okay.

You're in the playoffs. Your mom got a lot of, a lot of, We got a lot of attention, a lot of love. Jake was going to make a bad joke that we didn't get. He was like, I watched your mom's reality show and you shut up to pitch. Your mom had a TV show for a day and you happen to be pitching that day. There's a story by you and your mom. Freshman year you wanted to quit baseball.

Your mom tells you, that's fine. You can quit, but you have to go tell your little brother that it's okay to quit things when the going gets tough. Is that a real story? Real story. Damn. She, it wasn't, it wasn't just my brother. It was my brother.

And I used to help coach this, like, young travel ball team that a family friend of ours played on. When you say young, I mean, you're 14 years old. Yeah, but I coached them. So I was 13 and they were like seven or eight. Okay. All right. So they were younger. And she said she was like, that's, she was totally like, go ahead.

You can quit. Great. This went well. And I was like, all right, cool. She said, just go tell your brother. and then go tell this team, by the way, that it's okay to quit when you just, when things just aren't working out. And I kind of froze up and was like, damn, all right.

That conversation is going to suck. Yeah, I can't really do that. So, you know, I'm going to go to practice tomorrow. And we'll see what happens. I don't know what I was thinking or why that kind of came up. Oh, Gialito and Fried were taking all your starts. Yeah, I mean, you know, it's just one of those things. But practices were tough.

You face off against Fried in the playoffs? Mm-hmm. With those texts before and after preempts? fun? Well, we didn't really text after game five. After all that went on. Put the beat down. Don't make the Cardinals hands in the corner side. Were you excited to see me get in the box against Max finally? I could not believe it. Did that happen? I mean, you're starting. Obviously, he didn't start the game, but he comes in. And then I'm sitting there watching the games because I'm happy for you. I'm watching you pitch. And then all of a sudden, I'm seeing you step in the box

against them. I just lost it. It was, I was like a proud dad. It was. I was like a proud dad. was unbelievable because that's something that we've obviously all talked about. And like I've faced Rye before, but then you get the pitcher on pitcher. And, you know, it's the bottom, it's the top of the first inning. Oh, my God. In a playoff game. In a playoff game. And I'm sitting there trying to get my stuff on.

I know Max is warming up. They walked the guy before me. And they're like, hey, you're up. I'm like, oh, shoot, all right. Yeah, like, get my stuff on real quick. I go outside next circle and out comes sicker. And I'm like, there's no way they're going to get him right now. Because if I was him, I would not have wanted to come into bases loaded to face a good friend of mine

And try to keep a straight face in a playoff game. Meanwhile, I'm on the dugout. I'm in the on deck circle looking up, see my mom. She's dying of laughter. You're at a little league game. Yes, exactly. You look in the stands, you see your mom. I see my mom.

You look on the mound, you see your buddy. I'm usually stone cold, like stone cold face and I'm laughing because this situation, you could not make this up. That's pretty good. And in 20 years, people are going to be like, pitchers used to hit. So, like, this is all getting, like, when the D.A, universal D.H comes in, this will never happen again. It's going to happen early in the careers.

This is amazing. Are you excited to not have to hit anymore? Are you kidding me? But honestly, are you excited to not have to hit anyone? No. The real answer. How about, we got a lot of Dodgers fans. Are you guys ready for the, the, the H. to come your way?

Really. Come on. You don't want to see Walker hit. You're going to watch better baseball, though. That's the thing. You won't have to watch Madison Bumgarner take Kershaw deep anymore. Oh, no. Wow.

Wow. And Trevor turned to the heel that night. I mean, he's done it, what, three times or something? It's happened. It's happening. Sorry. When was the first time you took yourself out of your hot streak at the end of the year? Because like we said, it's 16 games, 0.93 array.

You won almost every game. Like every start was like one or zero runs. One of the more impressive streaks going. Did you have to wait to the season was over to be like, damn, I was on fire in the middle of it. Did you ever like, holy shit, that's seven in a row? I mean, I think in the, I think, well, one of the things that I've been told is to try to look, is to try to evaluate everything once the season's over with. Did Trevor tell you that?

Trevor did not tell me that. No, he did not. But, uh, I probably did. I don't know. Chris Carpenter told me that. Oh, wow. But, uh, that was one of the things that I was told. So while I was in the middle of it, I, I, I,

just tried to keep everything the same and not really think about it too much. But to a certain extent, it's like, damn, this is pretty cool. How long can we keep this going? You've got to take a step out and just realize what you're doing. At that point, it's like, you've got to feel it a little bit. It's amazing. Yeah, it was like, all right, this is pretty cool. And as we get down the last couple starts of the season, you know, in Arizona.

And then I was like, all right. And then I didn't know if I was going to get one more against the Cubs on the, the last game of the season but you know that happened and uh i think it was after the the game at rigley where uh where i went we went eight in in game one at game one in rigley where we had to win and i kind of step back and right after that game i was like damn this is this is pretty cool that's awesome that ain't bad man i have i have i have a i have a layup for you okay if you're pitching me or jack not you okay don't talk for a while please please I bet. That's not me.

If you're pitching and through some weird mechanism, the batter knows exactly what pitch you're going to throw, do you think that would hurt your performance? I think it would hurt a lot. If you know exactly what's coming, you might as well just be up there saying, all right, this is what I'm going to throw. And now, sometimes you can do that, and you're still going to, you're still going to throw it by somebody. Yeah, I like to call those FU fastballs. Orlando throws him a lot.

Yeah, where it's just like, yeah, you know I'm going to throw it and you can't touch it. Yeah. This is my heater. I dare you to hit it. But if it's, you know, 95% of the time, you know what's coming. Usually, usually it's not a very good thing. Yeah, usually when teams know exactly what pitch is coming, it helps them out in the long run a lot. That's a hot take.

No, I mean, it's a hot take. That's a hot take. Because once they put curveballs into the mix and I didn't know what pitch was coming anymore, I sucked. Coach was like, go home. Play hockey. You ever hit 95, though? No, I got, I caught 86 once.

How'd that go? I got crossed up once, knocked me out. It's a true story. It's true story. Right before the game. I didn't know you were a catcher. I mean, you looked like a catcher, but I didn't know you were a catcher. I could do this whole show squatting. Was that bad?

No. Well, I mean, it basically says you're short and back. Catcher. Catcher second baseman. Yeah. No, no, no. The crowd's going wild right now. You can't see it in the podcast.

But they want me to play second. Can we ask you what your reaction was to the Astros news? I think, like when everything came out. I think we have to open with ploof with that question. What do you got to say, Trow? What's the question? Does anyone want to hear these guys' thoughts on the Houston situation? What's the question?

Do you think they cheated? What do you think happened? Hey, no, let's give a round of applause to John Boy Media for basically being essential in bringing down this cheating scandal. I mean, it's pretty cool. Because they deserved it. It's not like a small thing.

This is a whoreshit thing they did, and you were a big part of bringing them down. What did you think about the punishment, T. Payne? I'm not sure. I haven't had enough time to really think about it. To be honest, you know, I think it's harsh. I think that Lounow and Hinch are probably not going to be involved in baseball for a very long time, at least at a meaningful capacity.

So that's my new take. I have a new take since Jake and I recorded earlier today. Okay. When the suspension is over, if Hinch gets another job, I'm mad at MLB's punishment. If Hinch, it doesn't get a job and there's like this black ball around him, I think it's fair. The Hill Belich. Shout out. They've been in some controversies.

You know, it's the draft picks is a big thing. You know, I think that's the lifeblood of any organization is your homegrown talent. So for them to not have their first two picks in the next draft and the following draft is a big thing. It also sucks for two kids that aren't going to get drafted. Somebody else will get picked. There's two last people. I mean, the kids in the 58th round aren't going to get picked. It's our first inside-ground pick.

Those guys are still going to get picked. We actually crowdsourced this earlier today, and I had a great answer out here. it was the international slot money that was not taken away. I think probably is, they should have taken some of that away as well, in my opinion, because that's where you get a lot of, dare I say, cheap talent. Yeah. Do you know a degree, yeah.

So that's safe for them. I think this sets them back as an organization for a long time. So it's a harsh punishment. People might think it's not that harsh, but I think it is a pretty harsh punishment. And they deservedly so. Well, see, I didn't know that, and you just told me this, just a little bit ago that $5 million was the max fine.

The max fine, that they could give. That's nothing to a major league team now. But it's the max fine that you can get. My words, not Jack. That's about as much as I can get $5 million to a major league team. Nothing. And Jack, I mean, you're playing. I don't want to put you in a bad spot.

I don't want you on TMZ tomorrow. But like, what are some of your genuine? thoughts? Like, what can you say? This is Jack. I can say that, I mean, we, we, it's just one of those things where it's, it's a, it's a tough situation. I mean, you know, we didn't have to, we didn't have to go in there. We never had to go to Houston during this time at all. But like, it's, it's just, I mean, can I speak for you? That's a lot. Can I speak for you? Because I know you can't speak for you. This is Trevor Plouf speaking for. Nobody cares us.

It's a lot. But it's just Trevor Ploos. It was bullshit what they were doing, okay? Like, there's gamesmanship. It was bullshit. There's gamesmanship and things that you can do within the game that no one's going to care about. You might get dusted up by a fastball. You might get some jarring back and forth.

It's not, that was not part. That's not part of the game. That's not part of the game. So I've been part of it. I've stolen signs from second base. I've tried to relay them as best as I can. Are you serious? Yeah, of course I have.

Man. I've picked apart pitchers. Lock them up. I've done all of that. That's gamesmanship, right? That's basically what the Red Sox were doing. It's one thing to steal signs from second. That is a part of the game.

That's not stealing. That's like decoding. We've talked about this. As middle infillers are in tune to that. So if you see someone doing something like at second base, you know. I had an instance where Mike Musacusk is, a valley guy, one of my good friends thought I was doing something at second base. I wasn't this particular game.

Just bored. Just sharp on your feet. I will say this in camera. I barely ever did that. Sir, I'm being serious. Liar. Liar. But Yordaunovintura was pitching RIP, but he used to throw really hard and didn't really

know where it was going too often. And Musakas accused me of sending signs in from second base. And my next to bat, I got a few fastballs up and in. So there's ways to police that. This is the trash campaign. And I went to Houston twice. with two different teams in 2017, didn't know anything about it. Even though they were banging the shit out of the trash can, I didn't hear it.

But this is blatant cheating, and I'm happy they got caught. And hopefully this will stop it in the future. So, Lounow, Loonow made his statement, right? So Loonow gets suspended and then fired. He makes a statement, and he basically pinned the whole thing on Beltron and Cora and said, I had no idea what was going on. I think that's the most enraging thing of the whole situation for me. Because like, oh, so you're incompetent?

That's your excuse? You have no idea what's going on with your organization? That's my excuse. That's real about it. That works for me every day. I'm incompetent. If you're the GM of the Astros. What about Hinch?

Dude, Hinch looks so bad. He does. He had a good reputation throughout baseball. He was like a nice guy. And now all these quotes show up. His quote was, if you want to say this, put your name to it. And Mike Fier said, okay, pretty easy.

I was there. Done. I didn't like you anyway. And then he said it's a joke. He told Trevor Bauer, like it was a personal, like he must have a personal vendetta with us. He does. You're cheating.

Yeah. The cheating vendetta. Damn. And I think, you know, it's, I tweeted this out earlier today. I think the funniest thing was you're going through this sophisticated, cheating scandal.

You got, you're placing your own cameras in, you have this setup, and then the way you deliver the signs is banging a fucking trash can. That's honestly, and hanging towels.

They probably could have figured out a better way to deliver the signs, right? I don't know. You were there twice. You didn't hear a thing. I didn't. You're right,

I guess. I don't know. But to me, like, I tweeted this out also. Like, if you're in the dugout right there and there's

banging the trash can the whole game, you're probably pretty pissed. That's why Mike fires was probably like, fuck this, I'm over it. You think that guy got tired, like five curveballs in a row and he's just like, fuck. Yeah, two bangs, 10 bangs, five pitches. Yeah, it's, throw a fastball already. I don't know what they could have done because I'm not a cheater. They put, but something better than banging a trash game.

Well, they pivoted. They did. And I broke this news. They pivoted to an earpiece in the bullpen. Yes. And the bullpen coach would put his hand up and put his hand down. And that bullpen coach went to Boston with Cora after he moved there. Oh. Wait, hold on.

I got to stop. Those were allergies. I got to stop. Those were Jimmy's allergies. Bullpen catcher? My information was it was the bullpen catcher with the hands up, hands down. Well, one of them went to Boston with Cora. Probably.

Yeah. And the other one got fired. They were fired. Jack, don't say anything. I've heard a lot about it. And a lot of different. things come through and there is some weird connective dot that like we all heard it leaked out I'd heard that cora really was kind of the one that implemented this as bench coach and I heard

that hinge couldn't wait for cora to not be his bench coach anymore he was done after 2017 no matter what and then we had rumors that hinge broke the monitors and was like oh you can't do this is that true or no no who knows who said that uh that was reported somewhere and then I heard it somewhere I think he did it after they lost the game and was like, all this and you still can't win. You guys know what fucking pitches are coming. Astros too. That's Astros.

That's Astros talk. Jack, while we're on the top of it. Let's bring it back to you, Big Popper. Who do you love, who's your favorite MLB pitcher to watch pitch? Max Scher. Yeah?

Yeah. Just because he's insane. Okay. Because he is insane. Yeah. He legitimately looks insane out there. He's crazy. Do you want to bring that out or are you just like, no, I don't have that.

I met Jack twice. He does not have an ear. Way too full pose. I don't think it says, I think everybody's a little bit, and Max is completely different. No way. I mean, as you throw in the different colored eyes, everything, the intensity. Salivates on the mound.

Yeah. He is filthy too. It's not fun to face it. Yeah, the stuff's okay. Every time he throws, it looks like his body's going to fall apart. That might be the last pitch of his career. It's just like, Harkinger. Did you see, I did a breakdown on Scherzer.

He got the inning wrong, so they had a go-ahead run in the bottom of the eighth inning, and he ran out of the dugout to celebrate like it was a walk-off. And then he got so embarrassed because he's like a great guy, and he just does like an ass pat and sulks back. It just slowly goes back. Yeah, it was wild. Yeah, that's great.

All right, we got some Astro shirts here. Did you see these? These are our bestseller, Jack. Do you want to wear that on the truck? I love to wear this. You want to wear this on your shirt? That is awesome. It's our bestseller.

We've sold over like 100 baby bibs of this. Yeah. Baby bibs? Baby bips. People are monsters. This is game worn. People are monsters. I wore this during the podcast today.

So we'll just toss this out. I think I promised you. Oh, nice. It's great, great throw, good cratch. What about this one? You like this one? Simple. Simple.

It's just straight to the point. It's a fact-based sweatshirt. Straight to the point. We got it. Did you, it parachuted on it? Oh no. Everyone calm down. Geez.

I can't do that. That got scary. Should be Q and A? Yeah, let's Q and A it. We got to-in-A. You guys ready for Q&A? You guys have some questions? We got a mic. We can ask some questions.

Luke interleau. Don't bring out that mic. No, it's not that mic. It's a different. Don't bring out that. But we need you to share with Plute. I hate noodle. What?

While we get a question from the stands, Trevor Plufe steps in the batters box. He's out. Treve's got no chance. You answered my question. Thank you. Especially now. I mean, now, yeah.

Now, 2014, 2015, Treve. Treve, you're out. I'm gonna hit the hang of slatter. There's no hangers. I'll ask Braun when he thinks about it. I know. I know. Only Ronnie gets a hangers.

It's unbelievable. I can't believe. I can't believe that guy. I can't either. It's on freaking. What about moose? Do you know what players, man? None of them.

Never again. Do you know what player you have the most case against? What was that? You know what player you have the most case against? That I've punched out the most times. Yeah. Most punchy. Okay.

So it's somebody in division. Yep. Javi Baez? No, same team. I know it. Oh, Chris Bryant. Yep. Yeah, yeah.

But right after him, Rizzo comes up and he dominates you. Right, yeah, he goes nine for nine to start the season. Is that what he did? I think it was something absurd like that this year. Yeah, even on one ankle, he took me deep in that freaking game. I couldn't believe it. I couldn't walk. When you're as hot as you were at the end of the season,

do you go into games thinking I'm going to throw my game? I don't give a fuck who the batter is. Absolutely. So you don't, or it's not like. I mean, that's what it turns into. I mean, you go throw and you kind of try to get that, you know, intensity. He has a hashtag about it. What is it?

Don't think. Hashtag don't think. Don't think. Get out there and throw. Don't worry about it. Just. All right. Keep it simple.

We're going to do the Santa Monica Brew Works Q&A. I think we have a roving mic. Thank you guys for coming out. Everyone's scream. Bill, you got it. All right. We're ready for you. What's up, team?

How you doing? That mic works great. Trevor, Trevor, right on. So the Dodgers signed Tyler White in the middle of the year. Do you think that was just to be like, we are 100% sure the Astros are fucking stealing signs and like getting an inside scoop from the dude who only played like five games the whole season?

Like he contributed nothing to Dodgers, but they just had to know for their own like confidence in the whole going forward with it. I did something. I looked up, starts, like Maldonado had a couple games where he caught against the Astros at Minut Made. No banging. Wow.

Because they did sequences the whole game. So yeah, I think if White, I mean, I don't know if he wants to be a good guy and help out his new team, you would spread that info. 100% they would come to those guys and say, what's going on? How do we combat it? What are you? What are they thinking? Oh, the room is true, Tyler.

100%. Yeah. Yeah. Good question. Question to answer. expert. All right. This is for Jack.

Jack, as you can see, I already have a mic. I work for a college radio station at San Diego State. I know this sounds ridiculous. Can I interview you after the podcast? Wow. Yeah, why not, man?

Yeah. Appreciate it. We like no shame. Actually, real quick. We've been on his podcast, Jack. Jake, I don't mean a question for me. No questions for Jeff. I don't mean to make the show about me,

but can you drop the story of the jeans? Okay. So I know Jeremy who just asked the question. So we go to winter meetings this year And He's kind of my guy Jake ripped his third pair of jeans that year Okay, is it your story or my story?

Yours, yours Tell him about your ripped jeans Winter meetings I was planning on wearing jeans every day The night before I went out to karaoke Rip my jeans right down the middle And I had to fly out the next morning I tweeted out Semi as a joke, semi I needed a pair of jeans,

Jay Shapp reaches out and he's like, I'll drive wherever, I'll meet you wherever, I'll give you a pair of jeans, let me talk to you guys. So Jeremy's hustle is unreal. So that was like, yeah, Jeremy brings the smoke. So thank you and I still have the pair of jeans. Nice start, good fade. MLB released a statement? What did say? All right, hold on.

We got a statement coming. Breaking. This is breaking. Ranking. All right, here's a statement. All clubs have been asked by Major League Baseball not to comment on today's... Oh, shit, Jack.

Oh, no. Yikes. Not to comment on today's punishment of the Houston Astros. It's all good. As it's inappropriate to comment on discipline imposed on another club. That's not like... Oh, I didn't say anything.

That's not a social norm. I said nothing. The Dodgers have also been asked not to comment on any wrongdoing during the 2017 World Series and we'll have no further comment at this. Why release this? What good does this possibly do? Just ignore the comments internally.

This makes no sense. I just saw the text, so I don't know if this is like, he could have doctored this in his time. You never know. Why would you release that? It only makes things seem ten times worse. Yeah. What a weird thing to write. That was from MLB right there.

Yeah, please don't talk about the biggest story in baseball right now. Leave us alone. I don't know, man. What's that? Talking baseball. That's a weird statement. I don't get it. You're sick. All right, we got a question?

Thank you for being patient. I'm ready. What do you guys think about Aaron? judge taking down the post congratulating altouva for the MVP. Yo, so we can't comment on that. It'll be just that we can't. Yeah, Jack's going to have to sit this one out. Yeah, they said you can comment on it.

I thought you want. What do you mean? So, so judge, I don't play anymore. Judge is a big shit talker like that fans don't know about. We get told that all the time. Like we ask some people that were clubbies and they're like, oh yeah, he rags on me every time he sees me. He's also, we've heard that judge is one of the, like, fiercest competitors, like, kind of like crazy.

Altube took money away from him. If he wins MVP, he gets more money in arbitration straight up. Yeah. So it is a little weird. Was he, like, sitting on the delete button just like every day waiting? Why did he congratulate him in the first place? Because judges a good guy. Be a good guy.

Because his publicist did that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. No. That's so, that's, because you went through the,

am I your official publicist, Jack? I don't know. We'll talk. No. Okay. That was a maybe. No.

We'll call that a maybe. No. So he's got a lot. Trev handles my business. I think, I think it's, I think Judge probably shouldn't. Who cares?

But now we're talking about it. But I do just think the visual of judge like, oh, it's true. Delete. It's two years old. It's two years old. He had to,

he had to thought of that like a month. to go. But yeah. Altova and the cheating system took money away from Judge, so I'm there for it. All right. I have a comment that's not about the cheating. All right. Jack, how much do you study video and personally

what is your favorite pitch to throw? My favorite pitch to throw anything that punches a guy out or gets him or gets him to move his feet where he kind of like they get a little upset and have to cry a little bit about it. Yeah. You know, if it's close to him and they

get upset and they don't like it those are those are always fun you don't like like the the inducing the double play ball get out of a jam i mean those are great those are ones that's that that save eras and save pitch guys yeah but uh no i mean you know everything comes after that but i i don't watch a whole lot of video on other hitters i look i look at a lot of numbers and whatnot and and the little stats that that we get um yeah i don't watch too much video of other of other guys unless i'm really looking for something and like if I really need to find something. The good pitchers, that's exactly what they're going to tell you. Like, I'm going to throw my pitch.

And if they hit it, they hit it, but they're probably not going to. Like if he executes, guys are going to be out, like he said before. So whenever I've asked that this other guys too, like, what do you look for in other hitters? Like, I don't look at other hitters. I just know if I go about my business, there and out. So I love that you said that. Must be good to be really good, huh?

All I have to do is pitch and everyone else will be worse than me. That's your game plan. You just have to, you just compete. Damn. Go be a competitor. All right. Again, I think I'm going to go off the cheating scandal here. I think this question is mostly for Jack here.

There's a lot of rumors in baseball right now about No-Anon Aronado. And your organization seems to be the one getting a lot of the rumors. What do you feel? What do you think it'll take to get a guy like that on your franchise? I mean, it's going to take a lot. Did he say Jack or Jake? I think he said Jake. Do you want to answer for him?

I didn't know if he mad. I get called Jake a lot. I'm going to be honest. I really hate getting called Jake. Oh, I get it, dude. I hate getting called Jake. But I'll give you this one. I mean, who wouldn't be mad about getting Nolan Aronado on their team?

Depending on what it takes and depending on what happens. I mean, I can't really have a feeling about it until it either happens or does not happen. You know, right now it hasn't happened. So it's a wonderful feeling. fantasy world to lip in to think that, but I think anything's possible. I think if you really want to make something happen, you know, you kind of give it up. Kevin Garnett. Anything is possible? Can't mention LeBron. Okay. All right. We got next question here. Another Yankee fan. This is actually just for everybody. What got you guys into baseball? Like, what was the moment that you

knew that, okay, this is it. This is what I'm going to get into, whether playing, doing videos, anything that you guys do now, what was that moment that is like, okay, this is what I'm going to do. Yeah, for me, I think for a lot of people, it's just born into it. Like, baseball is a traditional thing, right? My dad played college baseball.

He, the Yankees fan, and then being a Yankee fan as a little kid, like that was our family event. I didn't know what I was watching, but we all sat on the couch when they were in the playoffs and watched Yankees games. And then I moved around a lot and that was kind of what my family did as family time.

We would watch Yankees games. It's like, all right, we're a Yankees family. Even before I really followed the game, that was our sense of family and sense of pride. And so like just kind of born into being the Yankees fan. And then my little brother was a good baseball player growing up. We watched a lot of games. Yeah, and the more, I don't know,

the more you get sucked in, the more baseball keeps you around, because once you get into the weeds, you're stuck. But I didn't play. These guys will have a much different answer. That's a spectator. I mean, mine actually comes from my mom. She used to take me, being from here, she used to take me to Dodger games all the time, grew up a huge Dodger fan. Yeah, you know, it's nice, you know, when you lose in the NLDS this year.

And we don't get to come to L.A., you know? You guys cost me a trip to come to L.A. Yeah, he was coming home. It's unbelievable. And you guys ruined it. It's unbelievable. But no, she is taking me to Dodger games all the time, and I'd kind of just sit there and watch it. And she loved the sport, and she got me into it.

I played everything else growing up, but that was always the one that was always kind of special. Are your numbers from the other sports just as ridiculous? No. Okay. I'll be a no. Okay. You can throw football around a little bit more. I've never thrown a bad pass and you've never dropped the pass in my life.

Travis never dropped a pass. Someone had a football in the crowd. They just whip it at you. I got it. He'll catch you. Luke, why do you like baseball? I was a younger brother.

So I had an older brother. My dad obviously loved the game. I taught it to my brother and I just wanted to be just like them. So a lot of my passion for the game comes from that. Just trying to keep up with him as a younger sibling. And then, yeah, you start to get, you start to get a little. bit of notoriety around the LA area that was cool you know you know that was a lot of work to get that and then so you kind of think hey high school baseball I want to play high school baseball and then

you get to high school basically like I can go to college for that and you sign a college scholarship and then you know the pros is like the last thing you think about as a kid really I mean you you dream about it but you don't think it's going to be a reality and then it comes man it was a it was a special ride you know baseball is one of those games just like you said you're when you get in the weeds stuck. I love it. I still do. And that's why I'm here now. After I'm done playing, still messing around baseball, talking baseball with you, and Jack out and stuff like that. You know, I love it. It's a family. I'm teaching my son right now. I have a four-year-old son. I'm teaching him about the game right now. And it's just one of those things, man. I grew up

with it and I love it. And I think that there's baseball's in a really good spot. A lot of people say differently, but it's in a really good spot. We got a lot of a lot of talented guys in the game right now they're going to propel the game into like a whole different atmosphere so when when you're playing in the dog days of summer right and the twins aren't making the playoffs do you hate baseball for a couple days as a position player every day yeah absolutely god damn it becomes it becomes a job but you know uh you i've always had the ability to step outside and just have a little bit of perspective on it so i always realized how fortunate i was and there was a lot of times where i was not going to make it man. Like I didn't put up the great numbers all the time. But I found my way. And I always had that

perspective. Like, I'm lucky to be here. I'm not taking it for granted. And I still have that. I still have that feeling about my career. Like, I was just lucky to have what I have. Jake loves baseball so much that when he was 14 years old, he went to the New Britain Rock Cats open tryout. So it's a bunch of college baseball players ex-pro players desperately trying and then 14-year-old 200-pound Jake

taking reps in the outfield. That's how much he likes baseball. He didn't make it. He didn't make the team. I was going to say my story is pretty similar to Trevor. I love baseball. I grew up in the valley. I was a first round pick.

But you know, sometimes the ball doesn't bounce your way, man. No, my dumb story I was going to tell, because that's kind of what I do. Although my trial story is pretty good. Dude, I had pretty big glass windows on my house. I was a sports nut, but like the glass windows on my house were like, yo, if you break those, you're having a bad time. How's that tying the baseball?

Because I used to love throwing the baseball around there because I was like, if I mess up, I'm screwed. Mama's going to kill me. I have not connected to this story. I'm not following it. the slightest. Bro, I'm a little bit of a daredevil. I don't know what you guys aren't getting.

So the glass windows, if they broke, you would get in trouble. It was a little more pressure on me to throw a good pill. No. I had to make sure I wasn't hitting them. Why are you throwing a baseball at your house? I wasn't, bro. I was throwing it around the yard. Does anyone understand what Jake's saying?

Sorry, so I'm growing up in the valley, and you get a little pressure on you, and then you start, people start following you, and I don't know. Football called me too, but whatever. What's the next question? All right, so first off, go Dodgers. Let's go. Secondly, what's your guys take on this year's World Series?

You mean last, the one that just happened? This upcoming World Series. I have no idea who's in it. What do you mean? But the Yankees will win, sure. Is that the question? It's like when I asked CCC Sabathia, how many games you plan on winning this year?

And he says, all of them. The 2020 World Series? That's not a good question. I love you, but what? Jake, you like this stuff? I'm throwing the baseball in my backyard, right? And there's these giant windows. And if the baseball hits him, the window breaks,

there's a lot of pressure. Hey, why do you love baseball? Well, the glass window. What the dumbest answer I've ever heard? Okay. Yeah, that's fair. That's fair. I like the game.

I like the game. Treb, who you got in the World Series? Yankees Cardinals, Game 7. We'll see what happens. If I'm throwing, we're not losing. Oh, okay. It should be in New York. If I'm throwing, we're not losing.

Have you pitched in the Bronx yet? No, I have not. So. I'll tell you he's not going to be in the World Series. The Astros. The Astros will not be in the World Series. I don't want to be overly mean to the Astros. Today, but give us the day to be mean to him.

Eventually, you can be. good again and normal. I am rooting for the Astros to be so, like, bad that the numbers are like, whoa, they really did benefit. Like, what's the Z swing or the O swing? What's that? You guys know that's that? Yes. I was swinging at balls in the zone. They're amazing at it. No one knows why. I hope it's like complete opposite. I would love to see Brewer's Cardinals series to, you know, to get to the World Series. And that would be probably my most, like, what I will be rooting for. Okay.

That's good root. Do you think the as a ball player, ploof, the Astros are going to be hated every stadium they go to. They're going to be booed. Every, every, for a while, every media is going to be a little brutal to them.

Do you think that that is going to wear on them as a team? Just like, they're not going to escape this everywhere they go. Unfortunately, you know, there's going to be some guys that had nothing to do with this that are going to be playing for them they're probably going to hear the same stuff.

Yeah. You know, and people ask me, we got a lot of tweets. Both you and I got these today, like, well, their road stats in 2017 were better than their home stats. But, yeah, maybe they shouldn't have cheated them at home. When you, when you are cheating like that and your stats are inflated and you go and every stadium you go to you, look at the JumboTron, your stats are looking sweet. Like, you feel really confident about yourself.

And they're not going to have that this year. And, you know, and I've said this. There's a lot of really good players on the Astro team. They probably don't even need, they didn't need to cheat. Like, they're really good players. But they did, and they've had those inflated stats. It's going to be really interesting to see, you know, what happens with them. Yeah.

I'm not like you. I'm rooting for these guys because... You're a player, and you're like rooting for players. I respect the players, and they did something wrong, but I'm still rooting for them. I just think it's going to be a little bit more different. Don't you think it would be funny if, like, the main core is, like, like home stats and their swing to ball ratio just went right back and you'd be like oh guys this don't look good pick it up it'd be yeah I mean and I expect them I expected to go down I really

do wow I mean how could you not yeah I mean I just think uh the mental side of it's gonna suck you're you're the most hated team right now especially the guys that were part of it like you know Altuva is going to get a ton Bregman's going to get it the ton Kare is going to get a ton Springer's going to get at the time. They're going to get it. And like you said, every single place they go, they're going to get it. And we'll see how they handle it. All right. You have a question? My question is for our ace, Mr. Flaherty. Oh, great. What was the first conversation you had with your friend, Max Fried, like, after he walked you with the bases loaded in NLDS game five?

You just sent him one text and you said, pussy? I did not. I think I said I don't. I love that kid. Hey, that third one I thought was a strike. I was with you. You got squeezed, bro. Oh, man. I kind of think I asked him what happened. Why, why did you walk me, man? Were you scared? And he didn't really have much to say. He kind of just was like, man, you know, was already. He came up with some excuse and, you know, kind of sounds like Max doesn't it? Good luck.

But, uh, not. Was that one of the weirder baseball games you ever played in? Yes. Because we're, I mean, we're baseball purists and like, that got weird. It was like, people were talking about pulling you because it was like the game's already over. I would have pulled you. Would you have been upset? I mean, yeah, I would have been upset.

I was screaming at the TV. It all would have depended on what game I would have pitched coming up in the NLC. Yes, I don't know what kind of rest they would give. No, there's no way they would brought me back on game one. Hey, you didn't have to throw a pitch. It's 10 nothing. It's 10 to nothing. Was there talk about that at all?

Only after five. After five, they wanted to be. After five, they wanted to take me out, and I said, no, I'm going to go. At that point, what does it matter? Yeah. Bullpen maybe? I don't know. A game down the line.

I just wanted to go back out. I wasn't really done pitching. I kind of, the score to me was irrelevant. I know you and you didn't want to come out of that. Yeah. After, once you pitch five, just pitch your game. Yeah, I was like, I was not done. The score to me was irrelevant.

Carpenter took himself out. I think Carp had the most amazing game ever. Plays the top half of the first inning. Yeah. And that's it. Was subbed out. He asked to go out. Do you know that?

I don't know if he, I don't know. No, it's on camera. It's on camera. He said there's someone that can play better defense than me. like let's let's have that guy just yeah and that is the most amazing game you go up you hit have a couple of bats and then you're done yeah you go have a beer in the clubhouse you come back out with your shoes on a couple beers and amazing come out in about the eighth inning ready to celebrate you know that happened a lot to me but I didn't ask to get out of the

game and it took me out you're done you know I felt bad for Wong I think laid down a sack button the first and in retrospect like totally not needed we could have got two hits totally didn't matter yeah could I two it's and I didn't all right who's one We got another? This is a question for Jimmy and Jake. You guys, can you just be quiet, please? I guess can leave. So you are in L.A.

Yes. So hometown question. Knowing that the Dodgers said they were going to go big in the off season this year, given their relative inactivity, what are your thoughts? And then sub-question, any predictions for the 2020 season? Did they, the Dodgers said that, we're going to go big? I didn't know that. That's pretty bad.

They haven't. Well, they got Jimmy Nelson. I think all the rumors are they're banking on a trade, Lindor, or someone. And, I mean, that's kind of a bad strategy to go into the offseason because you can just use money to get other guys. Because, you know, Cleveland, I don't know. I'd be mad if I was a Dodgers fan a little bit. You got to add some guys.

Clearly, some's not. For me, I mean, it was. Why say that? Who are the big names? It was Lindor, Aeronado, and I feel like there was one more. Price, position player? Betts, Mokey. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

When it was two people, I was like, and Brian, Chris Bryant. All right, there's going to be rumors every offseason. When it hit three, and you mentioned Brian, too. I mean, Brian's a stud. Like, the Dodgers have to do something big. They said, I didn't know they said, why would you say that? We're going to do something big?

Because you have to keep the fans happy. And if I'm a Dodgers fan, I'm not. happy right now and I know our friend Jack is not happy well maybe maybe this Jack's happy not our other friend Jack but the Dodgers will win the NOS so you got that going for you it's it's a can we can't let our other friends comment or no no you guys can't comment you were not asked not asked yeah yeah all right so this one's for Jack also um and this isn't to put anybody in a negative or anything like that. Oh, wow.

No, no, it's not bad, I promise. Where are you going with this? It's to get the mindset of a player. We don't see it as fans, right? We just hear the crap that we see on TV and all the smack talk that people do about teams after they lose or whatever it is, right?

Obviously, the Cardinals, what my Dodgers has plenty of times. Losing via suite to the Nats. Right, the eventual champions, right? Same reason why I didn't feel that better after game five as long as the Nats won, not the Astros. What, if ever during the series, does it ever feel like, okay, we're not coming back from

this or how does the clubhouse feel? Say maybe at the end of game four, at the end of game three, maybe game two, hey, do we have a chance? Are we going to do this? Obviously, you guys want to pick each other up. But is there ever a point where you guys say like, yeah, we're not coming back from this? Well, this is what I'll say is that it was definitely hard.

I mean, we win game five, Nationals win. We're going home. We're like, we're feeling pretty good. They're not throwing Scherzer, Strasbourg, or Corbyn in game one. And Sanchez comes out and no hits us for about seven and two, I think seven in the third. And it was like, oh, damn, this is, this is real. And then we get Scherzer game two. And even, but even when we go down 2-0, I was pitching game three and we're feeling like, all right, we win today.

and we're in a good spot. And I went out and gave it a four spot, and it was kind of like, well, damn. And but then even so, I mean, you've got to have faith at that point. And you've got to have faith. And then once it's finally over, it was like, damn, this kind of this sucks. And, you know, once it was all said and done, you know,

you kind of just, it's weird. You say your goodbyes to the guys. And, you know, you don't know if you'll see them again until spring training if you're going to see them again if you will see them next year yeah you know it's one of those things you know you get a couple guys get pretty emotional um but it's it's it's a tough situation especially you know getting swept after you know kind of having all that momentum and whatnot and then just to kind of get swept in that in that facet they came out and they they they were unbelievable in that series they could they really could do no wrong and kind of carry that over into the world series

Any ball Sanchez he kisses the baseball a lot during the game you ever thought about doing that you know maybe a little bit if you're really looking for some good luck yeah like hey please you know you start talking to it you think anna ball Sanchez kisses a baseball more at home or on the field answer honestly yeah on the field on the field okay I hope I would I would hope where's the mic you got one more two more Oh, what's up, guys? It's kind of an open question. All right.

These upcoming rules coming up for the MOB. Stupid. Trevor and Jack, kind of wanted to ask you guys. What do you guys think specifically on the, on a relief picture facing a minimum? Stupid. It's a stupid rule. It's not going to come into play as much as we think. I agree.

I agree. I think it's stupid. Why is it a rule? Because it doesn't need to be a rule, but it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, So, you know, a guy can come out and get the last out of the inning. Yes. So really, the only thing it protects is from using three pitchers in a one, two, three inning. Understandable.

Which, like, you know, it is an entertainment and that's boring. A lot of commercials. It can be. I understand that part of it. Like, the pitching changes are boring. I mean, as a player, as a position player, you get these positions, or the pitching changes, and you're sitting there and you just hate it. You know who I'm excited for?

No doubt. The first guy that gets called out of the bullpen, faces a batter, just looks off. And then they make him intentionally walk the next batter. Just like, dude, we can't allow you to pitch. You suck right now. Just we're going to forehand. It'll happen. And then that dude just gets off.

Yeah, it'll happen. I mean, yeah, that's an interesting rule. I don't know. I mean, there are guys that are going to lose their job because that rule is in place now. I mean, there's a lot of, you know, the left-handed guys, the left-hand specialist that won't be there anymore. And it's kind of a shame because that's just baseball strategy, man. As a position player, what do you think about the 26 man? Because, I mean, it helps a player like a utility infielder is going to benefit the most from that.

It can't be a pitcher. It can't be a pitcher, which I like. Because if there was no rule against it being a pitcher, it'd be a pitcher. It'd be a pitcher. They do a three-man match. You know, I just think it kind of stops the train from AAA, back. less, but most of the train is pitching. Pitchers, yeah.

I think it's, I think it's great where now I don't have to pinch run at the end of games. Yeah, I'm sure you're, I'm sure you're a real happy. But again, it's entertainment and that was great. Of course, you know, I'm sure everybody enjoyed watching that happen. We got a couple more? So, um, I heard a rumor that they are trying out, um, computer, computers calling balls and strikes and you guys have fallen victim to bad calls on both sides so how do you like that idea stupid yeah freaking stupid i don't know man i've been outspoken about this too like it is unless it is

a full proof system well did you see what happened is is the current situation a full proof system no it's not but you're trying to perfect you're trying to perfect something that is imp like it is going to be imperfect. For it to work, they have to change the definition of what a strike is. You have to define that. That's a first thing. That'll happen. That'll happen. Yeah. Okay. So we had these, we had meetings to talk about this. And I was like, the first thing that we had to do was talk about what is actual strike? Because if I ask Trev, Trev, what's the top of the strike zone? I know what the rule says. I understand that. The rule says the top of the strike zone is right here. Doesn't get caught. Has this ever been a strike? What you've been when

your hunch? It depends who's behind the plate. That's the crazy. That's the crazy. thing about it is Joe West can say that's a strike no problem. They could, but okay. Joe West is hungry. He's calling that a strike. Bottom line, dude, look, look, look. I have a very strong opinion about this. I do.

I want, I want the robot. So do most hitters. No, no. I mean, look, they want to define strike zone. If anything, a pitcher should want that because you can flip the 12-6 on top, you can flip the 12-6 on the bottom. Yeah, but I don't get the pitch that's just off the plate that I really want. there's been many times where I've said that's a ball blue and he goes well go ahead and look at it

treb and come back and tell me usually it look at it it's a fucking ball usually it is a ball and usually it is a ball and then they'll be like no it wasn't our our system said that was a strike I'm like dude no you know like there's video evidence of it so I I just want to strike a strike and a ball ball that's it that's all I want Jake and I mean I don't I don't care anymore but that's two verse one Jake, what's your take? Oh, man, I think it's crazy. It's awesome that Trevor has these strong opinions. And if you want to follow Trevor on Twitter, it's at Talking Jake, at Talking Jake on Twitter.

No, I'm kind of cool with Roboom, but it has to be right. Like, think about we watched the NFL game last night, and we were looking at the yellow line, and that that dude was clearly a yard short of the yellow line. And then you saw all. And then you saw all the angles and you're like, what's going on? And I don't want that in baseball. Trevor's also a Seahawks fan. So if you have C.

If you have Seahawks fan, if you're a Seahawks fan, if you're a Seahawks fan, follow him on Twitter. It wasn't a first time. And it's just. But even in the NBA with all the, their replay system is horrible. Oh, that's a mess. It's a mess. So if the MLB gets to a good system or maybe there's like, I wanted a piece. heel system. Like there's some pitches

that get missed and you're like, come on, like Angel Hernandez, what are you doing? Throw the red flag. That would be awesome. That would be awesome. That's drama. I think it should be a baseball with a tail of a flag and you just throw it to your catcher

and he catches it and hands it to the ump. We are challenged. Oh, it's the other catcher. Fuck. No, it could be both it works both ways. We'll workshop. And what was the question? What was the question? 4-4-4 not 4. Strikestone's small enough ready, so he doesn't want to even smaller out of it.

Hi. Hi. Well, I'll be honest with you. I just started watching baseball this year, so with the circumstance happening, like a person that doesn't watch baseball, what does this mean for, like, the league? Does it mean, like, it makes it kind of seem like the players are kind of like a slap on the wrist because they're not getting, like, banned as, like, how people would think. So what does this mean for, like, everyone else in the league, like,

If things are going to cheat, then I feel like that's kind of makes it okay for them because they know they're not going to get banned. Maybe like... Yeah, if you enjoy winning a World Series more than you respect your manager and GM, you should just cheat, basically. Right? Like, they have rings still and they have those memories and they have no consequences. I don't know, man. It's so tough. You know how I feel.

It's tough. I think it's going to deter a lot of it. I hope it deters a lot of the cheating. You don't think some people are like, wait, what? We could hook up our own cameras? I think it'll be much more difficult. I think there's going to be a little bit more of, you know, whether it's a guy. There's already people walking around making sure this isn't happening this season.

That was the case, right? There's a lot of guys in the locker room, in the video room making sure. But I think that people are going to see this. And you don't want your legacy tarnish. Whatever your legacy is, if it's an average, player, it's a Hall of Famer, it's not, you don't want it tarnish. So I think it's going to deter a lot of people from it. I hope so. I hope so. I hope it just allows, we just want to think in. I hope that players and people inside speak up quicker. It took two years of rumblings within the walls to finally

leak. So maybe this will make someone say like, oh, we're allowed to kind of rat or whatever, like if we see something we don't like. So maybe that process speaks it up. It is interesting that it took that long. But again, I hope this just deters everyone in front of it. The clean game is all anybody wants. All right. All right. So Trevor and Jack, as infielded and pitcher, what kind of, when you guys do a mound visit, what kind of weird shit happens when you guys talk about? You killing any chickens? I haven't had any weird experiences during a mound visit. Because normally, I'm kind of like everybody just get off the mountain, leave me alone. If there's a guy. like Jack and I know Jack pretty well. If there's a guy like him, I just kind of leave him alone

because he's just in his own already. But there's a lot of guys that need that need that breather. I think that's mainly what it is if I'm going to the mound. And as a third basement, you kind of have that responsibility a little bit. You know, you talk to the pitcher probably more than anybody else. It was more about just like, hey buddy, like just take a deep breath here. We're going to be okay, you know, stuff like that. It's more of a reset button for a pitcher. because a lot of times these guys, they'll just get in the zone, and sometimes that zone is a bad one for that inning or that pitch or that bad or whatever. So it's a call timeout, reset.

Let's get some perspective and let's go. And it's never anything that really means anything, to be honest with you. You know, every once in a while you'll say, hey, this guy might be stealing your signs, but most of the time it's just like, hey, you'll be all right, take a deep breath. Let's go. Next hitter. All right, I think we're about to wrap up. Coach Ballgame.

You want to get on the mic or anything? Come on, you want to sing us out? Coach ball game is here, baby. Coach ball game. Let's give these four guys right here an add-a-boy on three, one, two, three. They can do better than that. I think they can do better in that.

Santa Monica, California. Let's give these four fellas an attaboy on three. One, two, three. What do you want me to do? That was pretty good. That was pretty good. I liked it. I want to thank San Diego.

Santa Monica Brewers for having us. Thank you guys for all coming out. This is awesome. First time we've ever done anything like this and pretty fun. Thank Jack for coming up and sock it with us for a little bit. And clue for putting it all together. Jake, you got any final words? Give me the mic. Give me the mic. I love you guys. Chicago. Thank you for coming out. This is awesome. Thank you. Woo!