Talkin' Baseball (MLB Podcast) - 71 | Buzzers

Episode Date: January 17, 2020

Beltran steps down as Mets manager. Rumors of buzzers ramp up and the entire baseball world is kinda spinning right now. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

What's going on, everybody. It is January 16th, Thursday, January 16th. Usually you say the day first. We got Plouf with me. I got Jake with me and we got buzzing band-aids all over the internet. Let's do some talking. Impromptu podcast session. Plouf said, we got to get on the mics.

We got to talk about this. Jake is in New York City with me. Did some apartment hunting. shopping. Ploof, what did you do all day? Did you have a grinding day? I went on national radio. Did you do anything cool?

I was not on national radio. I had to go turn in my car and get a new car today, which as you know, that's like being at the dent to this office. Might as well be. It's that painful. Yeah. Doing that and trying to keep up with all this going on, I'm telling you, man, I'm exhausted. It's a wild day.

I mean, we'll try to recap it as we also digest it for people that have no. idea. Also, there's a twist that I know Jake isn't aware of yet that I can't wait to tell you. But basically, if you aren't up to date, Beltron steps down from Mets manager, which, like, as its own combo, no. Good job, Carlos. I don't think he had to. I don't think the Mets needed to make him step down. No losses. They could have been like, hey, you know, yeah, he was named in that report as a player no players are being punished we're happy with our selection as manager we're going to move forward with our beltrane give him our full support i don't think there would have been a problem with that do you guys think you had to step down i i just you know with a guy like beltrane who played as long

as he did who's had the career and he has the money that he has like taking a managerial job already is you really have to love it because it's a difficult position like it's different than it was five years ago, but there's new things that make it just as hard, if not harder now. Like having to answer to the media as one of them, especially in New York. And for him to have to start off his managerial career with this hanging over his head, I mean, there was probably no way through it for him. So I honestly think this is the right decision. For him, I don't really know about the Mets, whatever they think about it, but I'm just saying

on a personal level for Carlos, like, if you're going to have to stand up and just answer these questions and kind of maybe know that you were a part of it. I mean, he doesn't have to deal with that. He could just kind of like slither away. I don't want to say slither away that implies something. But, you know, just kind of get out and say, you know what? I'm going to go back and be with my family. Well, I think the thing is with Beltran, he was the only technical player that was

named in this whole report. We've talked some MLBPA stuff and that guy's probably got amnesty. And I think there's kind of another level that we've been trying to bring to light a little bit that we know about. But Beltran was named in that whole report for a reason. And just like everyone else in that report, they no longer have a job. So I think that's why he's out. I think that's the biggest reason. And I think the recurring theme what Trevor just touched upon was that,

and I'm going to loop this back to the start because I know Jimmy and I have been getting Yankees' ridiculous tweets. today and stuff. This sucks for baseball. This isn't Houston beat the Yankees a couple time in recent years. I don't care. This sucks for baseball. Carlos Beltran, Alex Cora, these are two dudes that were widely respected around the league as like guys that love the game and they could pick up on a pitcher tipping pitches and like these are the dudes that love baseball and were like awesome at the sport. And now that they're in shambles, that sucks for baseball and all of this sucks for baseball. But the second, I think you take a step back and you realize his name is in that report,

he's done. That's what they were saying on the Kay Show. Like the fact that MLB put his name in the report might have been a hint to the Mets. Like, hey, everyone else that's got named is getting, you know, clear in house. So maybe that's what that was all about. It is a good point. I still think they could have survived with just keeping as the manager. I don't think that fallout needed to happen.

Also the Mets, man. They're showing up. Think about how that ends. Not good. The Mets were screwed either way. And they were always screwed until they show competence. Because like any decision the Mets make from here and out, they'll be like, of course it's the Mets.

And if they did it the other way, like, of course they did it. It's the Mets. So until they prove competence, it'll be that, like, you know, they will be doing wrong. I like what you said, Trevor, that maybe Beltron just doesn't want to deal with this. He's like, I don't need to manage right now. managing five years when no one cares anymore but he does really want to manage and and i think we heard that like beltrump's like they're like mad so yeah i mean i we don't know personally what's going on obviously there's a lot of things happening behind the scenes that we're not fully aware of so all

we can do is kind of talk about the things that we're reading and i could speculate a little bit you know but uh again i i agree with you i think if they got to the season maybe um they could have been okay there might have been other things talked about, but as we stand right now, this is the only story in baseball. And kind of rightfully so, especially the twists and turns that happened today. I mean, this is now turned into an even bigger scandal than we even thought possible. Although we did mention it, you know, having some of the, having some more things come to light today, I think makes it a bigger scandal than we thought it was.

So the next step in this whole crazy day is that there's an account out there called like, I forget the actual name, but it's something S.O.1. It's a private account. They claim to be Beltron's niece. They were early to Beltron hiring and they were early to Beltron being let go. They had those. So it's someone that had like a track record of being right about certain things that treated out. out, you know, they did my uncle bad. Now I'm going to release the buzzers. Altuve was wearing one. Bregman wears one and all that. So for me, I have let the audience on talking baseball know about the buzzers when, like November, that I had heard this. Since then, I'd only heard it from a couple people.

Since then I've heard it from a couple more people like, hey, that's actually real. That's what I heard that as well. So then this comes out. So I throw a tweet, I'm like, this is what I heard from a bunch of people as well. Like, can I confirm that it's 100% true? Obviously not. Only people that can do that are the people that wore the buzzers

and they'd have to really rat themselves out. But it's just now these rumors are getting louder and louder. There is a crazy twist to this account, Jake. Do you want to hear it? Sure. Might already know it. I can't wait. It's incarcerated Bob.

Oh, I already heard that. Did you see that? Yeah. Which, do you know who incarcerated Bob is, Trevor? I don't know what you're talking about. So this is also a twist for me. Incarcerated Bob is in John Ralphio voice, the worst.

Uh-huh. He's literally a criminal that tweets out like a bunch of predictions and then some are right. So he hangs his hat on them. And he has maybe 100 burner accounts that like if someone was to tweet me saying this, he would use his 100 burner accounts to end me. But he is like a convicted criminal and like guy you don't want to mess with. I don't even care about the criminals though.

He's just bad on Twitter. He's a joke on Twitter. So this account, the, this, Bell Trans niece is this guy. So, like, when I was on the case, we were, someone dug it up, like, old tweets from that account. That, like, when he had a different name and he was doing,

he was doing incarcerated Bob's bidding. So now it's, I'm all twisted up because incarcerated Bob sucks. And people, I was saying, like, who would make a burner account and then delete it? You know what I mean? most times you do burner accounts for notoriety to like get C in to cause stir but going private seems different and he did have the track record of knowing stuff you know who would do that incarcerated Bob he does a lot of this shit on Twitter so I don't know where this twist and turns me up

it doesn't change the fact that five other people previously had told me that you know they were using these buzzing band-aids type things but it's a it's another wrinkle in this stupid saga yeah you know And it's not only the guys that are wearing them that know about them, though. That's the thing is, what about the guy pressing the button? Yeah, there's people that were involved in this that, you know, time will tell if they come out. You know, I hope none of this is true. Like, I really, really do, you know. At first, like, when I first heard the news, I'm like, man, like, I can't believe these guys would do something like that.

But then, yeah, you do have to take a step back and say, well, let's let's let it play out a little bit, you know. those videos are kind of damning with with altouvae though after we hit that walkoff like it's weird right there's just a lot of stuff that kind of lines up but you know maybe a lot of it's circumstantial i don't know man but uh it's how can you not dive into it it's such an intriguing story there's a lot of layers to it you've heard it from multiple people i'm starting to hear it from a bunch of people You know, as soon as you and I started, all of us have started doing stuff together, I've had more and more guys start to reach out with me with little tips here and there.

You know, here's what I've heard. People want this story out. People are always saying like, you don't actually know anyone, John Boy. And I'm like, I didn't. But then I started doing this and people are coming to me because there's a lot of people that hear things and want things. And they're like, hey, did you hear about this? Did you hear about this? And they want it all out.

And you saw a bunch of players tweeting today. So like Bellinger, like if that's real. Yeah. Fuck that. You saw some other people get behind it. Bauer obviously said, I heard this too. I don't know. So either it's like a really, really good rumor or are there some reality to it.

The niece tweets now, if that is incarcerated Bob, like that's kind of throw that out of the water or whatever. Yeah. Or maybe he knows something, but I have no idea. Well, I think there's a couple of things that we can dispel. Like that, apparently now you can. I think the gold confetti for Redick. I think that we got to talk about that and say, you know, that's almost 99% not true.

And that's where I get in trouble because like, like you said, it's fun to dive into this. So when I see that, I'm like, first look, I'm like, oh man,

because there was one picture that did not look like confetti at all. Next picture comes, I'm like, it looks like confetti. I'm like, all right, jump the gun on that one. Sorry,

Reddick. But, uh, yeah, yeah, it is. I think everything's, open to speculation. We know

the league said they cheated. So I don't think like they should be given the benefit of doubt of not diving into these things when they're rumored now. I agree with that statement. That's a great way to put it. And and like I tell you guys a million times, like I'm pro

player to the day I die so I really want to see how this plays out. But I was thinking about this today. Like if this happens and all this stuff is true and say there's like a documentary or a movie put out about it, right? That interview with Ken Rosenthal and Jose Altuve. At that time, Rosenthal, I'm sure, had been researching and writing the story that was

eventually going to come out. So he already knows that there's allegations of cheating. And now he sees that Jose doesn't want the jersey off. So he leaves with that question and says, why don't you want, why didn't you want your jersey taken off? He was trying to, like, he was doing for his own story. I didn't have it from that angle in my head yet, but that's awesome to think that Rosenthal, like, was suspicious.

You know what's even more suspicious than not wanting the jersey ripped off? Is that he didn't even change out of his jersey into his t-shirt on the field like every single other Astro player. He ran not into the dugout just to get some cover because his wife doesn't want to see him shirtless, which is, dude, you got more issues. Oh, I get that. I get that all the time for my girlfriend. I'm like, no, leave your shirt on. leave your shirt on.

That's everybody. He ran to the clubhouse to change. There's, I mean, if that's sketchy. He's got a good body to like. If, maybe if you're like a,

you get like a melted candle wax body, you go back and do that. But when you're a hosier out too bad, that guy's pretty shredded, dude. Like you don't. You take your shirt off and you put the other shirt on on the field. Like that's, come on.

And, and I want to, I want to check a couple boxes that we just went over. Trevor, You mentioned that if this is true, someone was pressing the button. And who do we know would be pressing the button? Is it someone with a good reputation in baseball? Or is it the sexist guy that led the cheating department for the Houston Astros?

Yep, it's that guy. Tobman, and the other thing that I think was important, you mentioned the players coming out, and we had a Bellinger tweet. Tommy Fam came out. I think he ended up being a confetti tweet. Bauer, he's always going to throw himself out there. But this is great. Whether or not this is true, I mean, we've got a lot of smoke.

I'm not going to drop where there's smoke there's fire, but we've got a lot of smoke right now. And it's good that the commissioner came out with his statement that was like, hey, the Astros have been punished. We don't want players to comment on it. And this was hilarious because we were doing our live show with Jack Flaherty. He didn't really comment anything, but it was just hilarious the sequence of events.

happened there. But it's good that the players have said, like, no, screw this. Because if there is an ounce of truth to this, the players should be irate. Like, where irate, we never got on the field. I know you're pissed. Like, if this was true, I know this would hurt you to your core because you pride yourself on being genuine and you were slightly above average. You never went out of your way to cheat or go anything out of that.

And it's, I'm really glad that the players are saying something. Like even if this is just a weird rumor that I don't even know what we'd compare it to. Like what kind of rumor would spread this much throughout baseball and everything we know and then just come out and be like, oh, nope, a bunch of people just talking. Like, I don't know. Alex Wood tweeted out, the fact that there hasn't been any consequences to any players up to this point is wild. Good. Player-on-player crime.

How you feel about that, Trev? I just think that a topic like this is so sensitive that it just needs time to breathe. So yeah, like if there's players that get proved to have done wrongdoing, you have to punish them. That's everybody's in agreeance of that. I just, I don't like to go after anybody really, like speculating is so, it's so hard not to get wrapped up in it. But like with these allegations, I think you just have to let it breathe a little bit. But like you said, there is smoke and there will be. people look into it and and and people are going to be doing it online all you know until the season

starts and beyond like there was a lot of stuff to come out just in you know the six hours today that this is going on i mean people are going to find out about it and um to your point jake i was i saw uh tom verduci i don't really know tom but he's uh you know obviously a big uh writer um and he was on the Rich Eisen's show today, and he mentioned how most of the players that are speaking out are former players, and he said the reason this is is because most of the teams are doing it, most players are doing it, and that's why they're not speaking out. And I couldn't disagree more with Tom. I think that we, as players, you know, I'm a former player now, but as a player, you're just taught to shut up, kind of, you know, like, you don't want to cause a stir. You want to

just let's just go play baseball like let's let's focus what we have to do on the field it's a long season we can't have any distractions couple that with the lead coming out and saying don't talk about it guess what's going to happen like there's not going to be like a flood of guys to talk about it if there is more evidence and things start to come out you will see everyone come and comment on it i know a few guys like you said belly Alex wood bowler some of those guys are doing it today and those are just the more ambitious people when Other stuff comes out, everyone will speak up about it. And I just think that the overwhelming majority of players are playing it straight up.

And that's just kind of how I experienced it in my time and what I believe to still be true. And maybe this is off the deep end. Have we confirmed that you can buzz people with the band-a-like? Yeah, yeah. It's like a, so it's like a little watch battery. Okay. And then you just tape it and then there's a Bluetooth. Like it's probably an app on the phone.

Well, what's the, I mean, you got to think about all this too. Like, what's the distance? I'm sure all this stuff exists if you want it. But my Bluetooth headphones go out at like, you know, 30 feet. So, you know, Trev, someone told me to ask you this, said maybe they use buzzers. Maybe they didn't. But we're all skipping what you spoke on earlier is the earpiece in the bullpen and the catcher giving signs.

Yes. Someone told me. So someone asked me to have you tell. what you heard again if you're comfortable doing that um so it was a player someone got traded over to the dodgers i guess we could all look up who that was the following year from 2017 you don't need to give you don't need to give names trav there's there's not there's it's not names i mean this is what's going on i heard someone just the the same thing someone asked us that about uh tyler white right they asked about him. Yeah, at the live show. No, I don't, I don't know who, what the name was. This is just all

I've been told. Again, people just keep reaching out to me telling me things. I don't even necessarily want to know all these things, to be honest with you. Nice to be wanted, huh? My goodness. But, you know, they basically tried to, you know, ask him what was going on. And there was stuff brought up about the bullpen catcher and relaying signs to him, him relaying signs to the hitters. And you can do that, you know, like people say, oh, that's three. And that's three. You know, like people say, oh, that's 300 feet away, 330 feet away. It doesn't matter. Like a grown man putting his hands up and down,

like you can see that. So it looks to me like there's a timeline of, we bang the trash can. That kind of wasn't going to fly for forever, right? So now we have to figure something else out. And then maybe like relying on somebody else. There was too many, too many people involved. So let's break it down and keep it as, you know,

quiet and as small of a circle as we can. And maybe that's where the buzzer started, man. I mean, this is all speculation, but just the timeline kind of adds up. It's crazy. It's all nuts. Like, said we're talking in,

I was talking to Rosenthal. And he was like, the banging is bad, but it's a little juvenile in the way. But if you do go to your pieces and buzzers, like if that turns out to be true, it just becomes more like criminal. It's true.

And then it makes people think like, wow, anybody can do this. And that's, I understand why people are like, this has got to be league-wide. If they're doing it, why isn't anybody else doing it? So I understand why people think that. But, you know, in my experiences and all the people that I've talked to, this is not like a league-wide thing. And maybe that's, it's great that this is all coming out now.

So it's going to stop it from becoming something that's so rampant. You know what I mean? Yeah. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know if you guys want to talk me off the ledge or push me off the ledge. I think I know the answer, but should we be more angry with MLB right now? Like, we don't know what anything's true, but again, there's a lot of smoke and like the punishment

has already been dealt. And like Jimmy said, where he started this, you know, people were reaching out in November with these rumors, and it's been whispered around the league a little bit. And again, you know, you do the science and you do the math. If you go from banging to a Bluetooth buzzer, that kind of makes a lot of sense. progression-wise, where should we be feeling with Major League Baseball right now? Because honestly, I had a furious moment today. It was between looking at my 6th and 7th apartment, so I was running low on brain cells anyways today.

But I had a moment where I was like, okay, so MLB, if we get these rumors, they've got these rumors. So did they either investigate, they didn't really look into it, or they found nothing, and then they kind of turned a blind eye? or, I mean, do you think there's a chance they knew of this, but they figured that the camera and the punishment was going to be enough that they could kind of bury this? I mean, is that me getting to conspiracy theory?

I mean, I can't. I wish I could answer all those questions. I don't really know what kind of investigation was held by MLB. Like, the word investigation is very vague in general. Like, was there a couple phone calls made? was there like, you know, were there multiple people hired to be on this case? Like, did they ask the right questions? Did they ask the right people?

Like, who knows what their investigation entailed? You know, but it seems to me like there was a lot of people talking about it and probably not a lot of ways to prove it. And then all takes, like, I mean, I've watched enough, you know, mystery thrillers. All takes is the right clue to happen and then breaks the whole case open, right? So, maybe that was. that was Mike coming out and the pressure of the of you know public opinion coming on maybe that was what finally broke it and made him look into it more but like I said I just don't know what what they

did to investigate it I had a fun good spin conspiracy theory because we think that all the players got amnesty for the first time to come out so my good conspiracy theory is that all the players got amnesty to get what information they could and then they got the buzz going on this again literally and figuratively, so now that they can go at the players. That's my good conspiracy theory. I got all sorts of shit going on up here. It's scary. Oh my goodness.

Scary. I mean, yeah, this whole thing is just, it makes you crazy, you know? Like, I didn't want to spend my day thinking about this. I really didn't, man. Like, I had a lot of crap going on. And here we are in the middle of this. And it's like, it isn't, it's infuriating. Like, because there is, it's not just black and white.

white like there are the butterfly effect of this is crazy the guys that were getting shelled and their numbers being skewed and those dollars making this off and the guy getting sent down and the confidence level shattered i have said this to anybody that's ever listened to me talk about baseball i have said this for a long time that when you go into houston it is by far the best home field advantage that i've ever seen in any any level of baseball i always always said that and I didn't know why and I would say I would say no lead is safe

these guys are killers man and now when I look back on that I'm like well it makes a lot of sense I mean when you went in there it was ferocious if you were leading by seven or eight runs it didn't matter it's like we would always say like do not

let up got a step on their throats let's go like and shit man I mean there was a reason for it apparently so it's crazy do you think that we're going to have to

like the the commissioner's going to have to re reissue is this loud enough that he's going to have to say something again I mean he already said there's no buzzers like he said that once not in his official report but he said it once you know what you know what I did I looked at his official report I started reading it again it's pretty frustrating. It doesn't make sense.

Listen to these two paragraphs. In one, the commissioner says, the investigation uncovered no evidence that the Astros players utilized the banging scheme in 2018. So they say they used in 2017, but the key is like the banging scheme. Yes. Stop banging.

However, the Astros replay review room staff continued at least for part of the 2018 season to decode signs using the live center field camera feed and to transmit the signs to the dugout through in-person communication. So all you're saying is they stopped banging. No bang. No bang.

They continued to cheat using the camera and relayed that message to the batter somehow. They just didn't bang. So you're kind of confirming that they continued to do it and confirming that they changed their method, which leaves the speculation open. for all this shit. Yes.

And then the other really confusing thing is the paragraph about Hinch, and this is a totally another topic, but it just shows that I was confused by this whole report. Like the whole report, kind of like, give me another report. Listen to this.

Hinch attempted to signal his disapproval of the scheme by physically damaging the monitor on two occasions. However, Hinch admits he did not stop it and he did not notify Pletka. or Cora that he disapproved of it. How can you write those two sentences right next to each other? It doesn't make any sense. Hinch attempted to signal his disapproval.

Next sentence, he did not notify players or Cora that he disapproved of it. There's two completely opposite sentences. So the whole report is kind of like just, wait, what? What are you selling me here? I don't get any of it. Yeah, I don't know. I think there's going to have to be something else to come out.

for them to reopen it and and to be honest with i am expecting it like i i just people find people find shit nowadays man so we weren't expecting today to happen like i said we didn't want it to happen it did i just i just don't see it sounds like there was multiple parties involved and it's hard to apparently it's very hard to keep something like that a secret it. That's why they went from the trash cans. That's why they progressed into getting the circle smaller. Yeah, I think something's going to have to come out for them to reopen it. Yeah. And I'll take us to

I'll take us to a fun spot, as I always do. Let's roll it out there. Let's get you Trevor Plouffe on Minnesota Sports Talk Radio tomorrow. Let's get you national. Let's get Verducci talking about. you again. If this is all true, if this is all true, if it leaks out, they were buzzing dudes when an off-speed pitch was coming. Who knows if they still had the one for a curveball, two for a change-up system, if they were buzzing for off-speed pitches, which means players were getting taped up. You can't hide behind anything. It's not like, I don't know how they're

doing it. We just knew if there was a bang, there's a slider, because I kind of get it. Like, if you told me I'm going to use that information. I kind of get it. But if you're getting band-aided up and buzz with off-speed pitches, like a genuine question, Trevor. Like, what do you think should happen to the players? Because we've crossed that barrier, if it's all true. Should have to eat a baseball without an fork or knife?

There's been a lot of memes with this going on, by the way. Like, my buddy Lane Adams, who's hilarious on Twitter, he said, like, what should the punishment be wrong answers only? Like, that whole thing. Yeah. And my favorite one was they should all have to wear double ear-flapped helmets up to the plate. And if you play baseball, shots fired. The greatest thing about the biggest thing about the big leagues is your single ear flap helmet.

It just signifies that you made it. Okay. When you go down to the minor leagues and have to wear a double ear flap, it's horrible. Damn. I don't know, man. That's a big F, right? Like, again, I don't want to speak on this. And yeah, you're trying to set me up to, like, be all over.

Oh, yeah. I appreciate you. You're trying to, like, you're trying to, like, you know, get the trajectory going here but um follows up bro you want to do a real fun conversation how ridiculous that the day i go on tv i have this fucking face do you see the tweets trep did you see the screen out of the oh man i walked out of the katy was there and i'm like how'd i do she's like you sounded good you sounded good go on the street i check twitter and i know people are going to be like talking about it the first

thing I see is that picture like, wow, it looks like he's high. I'm like, damn, my face looks like I got, I got bit by a thousand bees or stung by a thousand bees. I lost it. Yeah, you look like a, you look like a chipmunt going into hibernation, like, or whatever. Just bringing all the next back. It's crazy bad. It's crazy bad.

All right, this is, this is actually better. Let me, let me turn the table on you guys. What do you think should happen? Because I know, I know, I know, TJ, that's what I call you talking Jake. You don't, you don't care. Let's go. What do you got? I'll go.

We'll save the big guy for last. Old Chipmunk. Dude, like, you got to suspend guys. I don't know what the number is. And it's messed up because all these dudes are on one team, so I get the logistics nightmare on that. Like, you can't just suspend 25 Astros at once, I guess. But, like, I don't know what the number is, man.

But it's messed up. Like, it's the integrity of the game, and it's, you know, like I said, you tell me that Tobman and the Astros, they're running this whole cheating department. And, again, like, I, you know, my athletic achievements went nowhere. But if you told me I made it to the major leagues and there was a chance you could tell me with two strikes that a slider was coming, I might listen to that bang. Like, I get that. But to put on a band-aid and straight cheat like that, like, that's so messed up.

It's everything against. And like you have to suspend these dudes. Like I'm not kicking out all the Astros from baseball, but they're going to have a stain on them for life. And maybe it's 50 games and you each have to like overlap them. Staggerum or stuff like that. Jose, you appeal yours now. I will say this.

Look, look, that is the lightest. I could imagine you answering that question. I mean, if these guys get caught for having these buzzards, 50 games, no way. Okay, well, you go then again. I mean, I think they should have to play Jake's Apple game. I love all the things that people are coming up with.

That's more fun to me than a year suspension. So Jake, Jake wants to get apples thrown at them? We've told you this, probably, right? I don't know. Yes. Yeah, let's do that. Let me do that. Line Houston up and, you know, everyone gets an apple.

I like Chris, Chris Barry in the YouTube chat here says the Astros and Sox. should lose the DH and still have to play in the AL. Kind of fun. It's kind of fun. Red Sox got thrown in there a little bit. Still shouldn't be fully correlated, but I'm here. Just, just, just, I wish that we could just get a clear investigation with actual, like, answers to everything.

Because it feels like MLB did the whole, what I said they were going to do. Like, yes, they cheated in 2017. We have proof of that. We didn't find it in 18 or 19, and we haven't found any other team doing it. That's the best result for Major League Baseball. They get to say it's not rampant. It's not a league-wide problem. And it only was one half of one season in the playoffs there and shit like that.

And it just feels like that was such the easiest option to conclude the investigation with. They had to have found more. So we'll see what the Red Sox one says. And I just sucks at like forever. I feel like we're going to be like, remember that? Maybe. Who knows? Yeah, but you know, I agree with you with what you said,

but when this whole thing with the trash cans came out, it only took 48 hours and there was just damning evidence against them. People started pouring over the tapes. You had the monitor come up. You had the towel come up. You had more people saying stuff. Then you get a hold of the audio and make the video. Like, if there's stuff out there, it's going to,

come to light and I just I don't know if they can if that's the same thing is going to happen with this with the buzzers but it could man like think about all think about all the postgame newsreels that are in the clubhouse after every single game guys take their shirt off then um like if he goes and gets taped up and he's in there a pregame and there's there's camera rolling and he puts his jersey on there's a clip you know like there could be a mistake out there and people are going to find it so So we'll see. It's been a very hectic day, and I just don't see this going away anytime soon.

Yeah, that's kind of like, let's get to the season. Because once the season starts, yes, too fast, there's a game ever, 15 games every night, moves too fast. This will get washed out.

And, you know, I don't know if I want that to happen or don't want that to happen. You know, because I want it. I know, I want justice, but. Yeah, we'll see. All right, you know, last words? Well, something I always preach.

I related to the NBA or NFL. Hey, it's January 16th and baseball was in the news, boys. Baseball's dominated the cycle. It's not the way I was hoping for, but baseball still has people that care. And like Trevor said, justice is a good word, but this sucks. I think we all agree that Mendoza take today was awesome. I think that's it. My last words on this, I want, I mean, whoever's watching this.

I really want you to know that the overwhelming majority of players play the game straight up. Okay, like, I'm not on some island here. Like, I always claim, you know, I didn't do anything because it's true. But, like, I'm not, like, a minority. Like, everyone mostly does.

Okay, so, like, don't let the loudness of the minority take over the majority. Like, this game is better than it was when the steroid scandal was going. There's not, it's not as rampant. of cheating as that time we'll get over this and we have so many young awesome players in the league that's going to be okay i also just one final thing is that everyone needs to change the way they talk about what the red sox in what the astros did like like i said with jack flaredy like

we need to call the the part that everyone's kind of okay with decoding the sequence or decoding signs and what the aster's did stealing because so many people dude all these pundits like jessica Mendoza going on, they have no idea what they're talking about. They don't do research and they're lumping all this together. And one is decoding sequences. And if you're not using that algorithm machine, great. Part of baseball. The other having a camera.

One's cheating. One is not. But everyone's lumping them together. And then they're saying like there's eight teams that are doing the same thing. What are they doing what the Red Sox were doing? Because there's 30 of those teams. or are they doing what the aster's doing because there's maybe like three to five

if not less. Yeah, I don't. Yeah, I think less. I really do. I really do. Unless I'm like I said, completely naive about this whole situation, which I really don't think I am.

Less. All right. Thanks for joining. Thanks for listening, everyone. Thanks to the patrons that hung out with us and did the chat. Any questions we got in there, Jake? El Tuvae's home runs off changeups,

It's not looking that up. I am not Carlos Beltran's niece. I want to submit that one in the butt. No, I think we were hoping to go 20 minutes. Where do we land? 40 or so. 40. Yeah.

That always happens. Well, thanks for coming. We'll see you guys later. I was about to say go yanks at the end. But I won't because this is talking baseball.