Talkin' Baseball (MLB Podcast) - 74 | Castellanos to the Reds, Ozuna to the Braves & Zimmerman back with the Nationals

Episode Date: January 27, 2020

The Reds signed Nick Castellanos to a 4 year 64 million deal. They know have about 20 outfielders. The Nationals signed Ryan Zimmerman to a 1 year, 2 million deal. They know have about 20 infielders. The Braves signed Marcell Ozuna. The Mets hired Luis Rojas as manager. The Astros have interviewed 9 candidates for their manager position. We go through each team and figure out which ones are trying to win in 2020 and which ones are not. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

What's going on, everybody? We got Castiano's to the Reds. They're taking all the outfielders. Ozone's off the boards. It's all coming together. Bam. What's going on, everybody? Talking baseball. My name's John Boy. I'm coming to you from the Bronx. I got my good friend, Jake. Coming to you from Denver, Colorado. Right off the weekend, Monday morning. Let's talk some baseball. Jake? Let's have some fun. And we got news this morning.

We had it on our list that, hey, the rumor is Castiano's might go to the Reds. Now we have actual news to talk about because guess what? He went there. But first and foremost, how are you doing? I'm good, Jim. Hello. The most well-known Jake story in Colorado checking in. Also the poorest Jake story in Colorado checking in.

But I'm good, man. I mean, obviously, elephant in the room, one of the more brutal days in sports you can have yesterday. But yeah, man, it's good to get back into the baseball. And I think everyone turned to, what was it, the Grammys last night? And that almost brought out more emotions. But Alicia Keys was kind of awesome, like one of two people in the world that could handle it with that kind of grace. And I think something along the line she said of like, hey, you know, we do music. and people use music to get away.

Not comparing myself to any of the Grammy-winning artists as I just compared myself to Trevor Story. But yeah, I mean, let's talk baseball. This is why people love sports. It's to kind of get away and have fun and do it. And we do, hey, man, for baseball again, for last year, it was our first year fully dipping our toe in the water. And the whole story was like, yeah,

baseball's probably going to strike it. some point and guys aren't signing. It's like, okay, this kind of sucks for us. And now, dude, we're, we're what? End of January. We just had two, I won't say marquee free agents, but B level free agents come off the board, impact free agents. And, uh, yeah, man, it's exciting. Spring trainings, what? Like two weeks till pitchers and catchers. So yeah, let's party. Yeah. Uh, I mean, yeah, like Puegs left, Brock Holtsloft. We've been going over the names that are left. And we went over, you know, it was, what was it? These were the guys that were left.

Like, it was Donaldson, Castiano. And every time I say his name, I feel like I'm saying it wrong. So that's the thing I have to get over. I think it's one of the names you got right, too. I think that's the weird part. That's awesome. And we got Pueg left. Don't go to Japan.

Do not go to Japan, Pueg. Don't do it. Please. Where do you want to start? what do you want to say? Alicia Keys was awesome. The Grammy's awards are as if if the Oscars were to give like Thor Ragnarok best movie. That's what the Grammys are like.

Ooh, tough. Love my girl, Billy Elish, though. Pretty funny, her just like, please stop putting me on this fucking stage. Yeah, I think we start with Cassiano's. And yeah, Alicia Keys, man, I said one of two people and people think this is political. but it was like her or Barack are like two of the most well-spoken real people I know people think I'm like want to get political with that it's like no barrio is just one of the best speakers i've ever seen um alicia was awesome um but yeah i think the the news in baseball this morning because it just broke and i think you and i are going to kind of process this live is uh nicky castellanos two your cincinnati reds four for 64 is that the same exact contract moose scott Ooh. I was wondering that this morning. I don't know. That's kind of interesting. Let me see. Moose got four for 64. Yes. Same contract. Wow.

So Cincinnati is very clearly, I won't say they're committed to a four year window because last year of contract is the last year of a contract. But yeah, I mean, Cincinnati is going to go for it. And I think everyone thought that maybe they might do this half ass because they've got one year of Trevor. Bauer that they might do this half-ass like, hey, let's sign some medium guys, see what happens. No, they are in it. And I mean, Cassiano's, the more I got into the stats, the more I liked him, I think he's kind of an interesting, it's an interesting how you view a guy. I mean, he was a big prospect and he came up on those Tigers teams that were still good. And he kind of took a little while to figure it out. And then the past three years or so, I mean, he's essentially gotten.

better. He malls lefties, but it's not like he's terrible versus righties. I think I kind of put that in my head with the season he was having with Detroit, but he left Detroit. He went to a team that was in it, the Cubs, and he started raking. So I kind of like it. Dude doesn't really have a defensive position. You kind of wish he went to an AL team where he could DH at least part of the time. But dude can hit. It's good for him that he gets. out of like a bad situation. Now he's on a team that's actively trying to win. And good for the Reds, dude.

I didn't think they'd ever be able to put together this effort while still under Votto's contract. It's kind of upsetting that, you know, Votto's kind of trending down the last two years. Kind of quickly, I think, if you look at some of the analytics, he still gets his walks and shit. But, you know, I'm excited for Votto that he get, like, they're finally giving him the run. He's probably been begging for it for a couple years.

Like, yo, trade me or let's build something while I'm here. I don't want to be the anchor and the reasons why we can't do anything. Now they're putting together a little squad. It's going to, I don't think that, I think their pitching staff is still the most impressive thing about the Reds. Like this is, Moose is a nice pickup. Cassianos is a nice pickup. They have a ton of outfielders now. I mean, they got Senzel.

Is that you say it, Nick Senzel? They got Winker. Do they still have Phil Irvin? Irvin's around. They got Aquino. Now they got Castiano's. I read somewhere, I think it was Morosi. Someone said that maybe Castianos will platoon with Votto at first base a little bit to kind of protect Votto as he trends down.

And then also gives Aquino some starts in right field when whatever pitcher equals that equation. Right or left. I'm not sure. So they have a lot to do. And then someone else, I think it was passed and said, you know, hey, they have a lot of outfielders, but a lot of them have minor league options. And none of them and none of them have played a full season healthy. Yeah. And our guy that we fell in love with this year, Aquino, because he went nut job and then he fell off.

I think in September, he had an OPS that was in the sixes after having one of the best starts hitters ever had. You know, I think it kind of sucks for him. He might be the one guy that's like, damn. I really have to battle for it, bats, now. And yeah, I mean, I'm looking at a roto champ right now, a website I don't normally end up on. And, yeah, I mean, right now in this projected lineup, they don't have Senzel in it,

which I think is kind of a, it's a little bit of a shocker to me, because I think he's a guy that they're looking at, that when people were talking about the Reds, they were saying, if he's the truth, they can do special things, and maybe it's right. But yeah.

Well, who's going to be their center fielder then? Senzel played 97 games in center field last year. I mean, I mean, Winker and Irvin had 20 each. You're missing one more outfielder, Jim. They signed Akiama from overseas. Oh, yeah. So the Reds have some serious depth in that lineup. And I think if you're a Reds fan right now, you're saying all the,

I mean, you start talking in generalities, but you say, hey, we've got good depth. You know, we could do some righty lefty stuff. And yeah, I think if you need to keep it, you have guys that can go on the shuttle if needed. But yeah, you mentioned Phil Irvin. I mean, he's a dude that some people like as a ball player. And he might be screwed right now.

But I think also if you're a Reds fan, and I think what you're saying is, hey, if this whole thing starts working out and we're in it, you might have some ammo to make another move. I mean, I like Freddie Galvis. I think he's a solid ball player. He's currently listed as their shortstop. That seems like a position they could upgrade if they needed to.

You're always going to need more pitching, whether it's in the front end or the back end. So, I mean, if you're a Reds fan, you have to be on Cloud 9 right now. Oh, yeah. You're going for it. I mean, any, and there's a lot of teams that are going for it. I saw someone tweet this, Jake, and I think it's an interesting question. If you're going to pay Castiano's that much money, why didn't they just get grand all? Love my dude Tucker Barnhart, fan of the show.

Sure. But wouldn't that be a better fit than having eight outfielders? I'm on a very firm fuck Tucker Barnhart, a stance. Wow. Or how much love he gave you. You know, don't, we like just a little pat on the butt. Don't go all in like that. Yeah, no, I mean, there's an argument there,

and I think that's going to be funny going back to the drawing board, because I think that's, we initially had this conversation about the Atlanta at Braves. When they were signing everyone early, we were like, hey, you know, Will Smith, Chris Martin, Travis Darno, Nick Marcacus, Darren O'Day. We were like, okay, these guys are solid. And we forget Cole Hamils. He got one for 18 from them. We're going to talk about the Braves in a second with Ozuna. But yeah, it is going to be funny to go back to the drawing board and look who spent how much money and how that money could have spent otherwise, because you can, can yourself in this grand doll cycle, which a lot of teams might, where, yeah, I mean, he can be a special catcher for you. He did that, I think he got nine more million dollars, which over four years, I mean, that's nothing for what we're doing here. But yeah, it's an interesting thing. And, hey, you never know, you know, what's going on behind the scenes with the Reds. I mean, maybe they think Tucker Barnhart's going to break out. Maybe the pitching staff loves

Tucker Barnhart. John Boy Media loves Tucker Barnhart. So, but yeah, I think that'll be a fun game to play, you know, rearranging people's money spent this offseason. Dude, I agree with everything you're saying. Some good Reds talk. I can't wait for you to get to the office. So Monday, I guess, is planes day, just nonstop planes flying overhead. I'm worried about it being into going into the mic. So I closed the windows. and now I'm just smoking myself out. Yeah, that's... The soundproofing in a closed room,

plus the closed windows, plus the building heat up to 80. Oh, I think I can turn those off now. You know, we had to wait for the building to do construction because technically we're not allowed to turn them off. But I think they're done with construction so they shouldn't be coming in.

So I think I'm going to have to Jimmy rig and manually turn this heat off. Quite literally Jimmy rig. Yeah, and I mean, I know you're, you're my audio guy so I know you're not going to budge on it but we did a plane plane test before and I couldn't hear it and but you're a bad hearing we'll make I have terrible hearing uh some of the worst and uh you know like I say some people trip and dance uh I messed up that quote but yeah if we hear the planes who gives a shit that's the quote all right well now

that the planes are out there and they're part of the show I'm going to open one of the windows backup yeah I'm dying and you you lead you lead us into let's do Alex going to Gordon for one second. No, no, no, Jim. I've got a better segue. I've got a better segue. Then, all right. Segway it up.

I can still hear you. Because James, we just closed with if you're a Cincinnati Reds fan, you got to be having a blast. Like, you heard your team was going to go for it. And like, they did. I mean, they brought in dudes. So you have to appreciate that. And not only did they bring in dudes. And I mean, this guy isn't tied in with the Cubs.

But that's where Castellanos finished. That's where Castellanos had a one dot. OPS for the last two months. He was in Wrigley. And I think that's the other fan base right now that's got to be reeling just a little bit. And I was going to somehow segue that into Ozuna, but you want to talk to Alex Gordon?

I was like, where the hell's the segue? I got lost in my brain. I'll be honest. I was thinking about the planes. I guess I wanted to finish that conversation, and I did not. I think my moral of the story. is like if you're a Cubs fan you got to be kind of like I know they didn't have huge expectations

like we heard about all the Chris Bryant stuff but I mean what have they done they they've they haven't signed anyone for over a million dollars yeah similar to the Dodgers yeah which I don't know man that's just kind of bad vibes yeah well there's still a good team I mean like you know the Dodgers still can win are going to win the west I mean I mean And the Dodgers, yes, the Cubs, like, no. Yeah, it's true. It's true. All right.

Well, I wanted to talk about Alex Gordon. Sure. A little behind the scenes, captain of my hockey team in high school's name was Alex Gordon. Yep. And I remember when Alex Gordon was a highly routed, highly touted prospect. And I was like, hey, Cap, he's got your same name. So whenever I think of Alex Gordon, I think of my captain, shout out. What's up?

The other, Alex Gordon. He signs for a one-year deal. four million. I didn't realize how bad he is offensively. Yeah, he, like I knew Gold Glove left field defense, and he's just been a mainstay

with that team. So I thought he was probably, you know, well, average, and then the defense takes him over the top. But if he didn't have the defense, he wouldn't be in the major leagues. And it seems just kind of like a nice sign and kind of like a Brett Gardner Yankee situation, but

even like more nice, because the world was like, fuck it, we're not trying to win next year. Anyway, let's keep the leadership intact, keep the fan base intact. They like Gordo.

But, uh, yeah, they were, that he got the four year deal, his last contract. And in his last four years, it's pretty brutal,

man. Like he has a 686 OPS, 84 OPS plus, 237 batting average 320 on base percentage, 366. You know, I didn't realize, it was like, whoa, he's below average pretty easily with the bat.

So it's kind of my eyes opened up to it. But last year, I mean, was his best offensive season since 2015, and he had a 741 OPS, which is slightly above pedestrian. He did win his third straight gold glove. So that's kind of what Alex Gordon does. And Jim, you are bearing the lead. I mean, he's a gold glove of his career. He led the league and hit by pitches last year.

So, I mean, what are we trying to mess? pleasure. That's cool. That's cool. Just Roger joining that. So he'll do anything for the team. Eight gold gloves. When we look back on his career, if he wins another one, you know, if he gets up to nine, like, I don't care about gold gloves, but when you do compile them, either the voters were being really nice to you or you earned him, but that's still a big number that you have to like, be like, whoa, shit. Eight gold gloves. He came up as a third basement, right? And then they moved him to left field. Like, he didn't even come up as a left

fielder? Yeah, that's, that's correct. Nebraska guy. Ooh, really? Shout out Bubok. Shout out. So, yeah, I mean, it's, uh, did you see the interesting part of this contract? What's the interesting part? Anyone that listens to talking baseball probably knows that I love the incentive laid in contract stuff and the bonuses and all that. So they signed him to a one-year deal. he has 10 and 5 no trade rights. If you spend 10 years in the major leagues and 5 with one team, you can veto any trade. They offered him a half a million dollar assignment bonus.

So if he does get traded in the middle of this year, say he goes off and then he can help the Reds and bring some prospects back. And some team says, hey, we need his defense. The Royals can trade him. And if he gets traded, he gets half a million dollars, 500K. but they made him say, they made him waive his 10 and 5 rights immediately. So the Royals can trade him no matter where. And the Royals did say, hey, listen, we love Alex. We're going to talk to Alex with going to talk about any potential trade that involves him with him.

But we can't have all that red tape. And, you know, he still has a veto vote. It's not 100%. We're still going to try and do right by Alex. but I thought that was interesting. Yeah, it is. I'm a little surprised Gordon did that, but I guess you do. I mean, he's a guy that's been there for a while now, and if you're, if you're Kansas City,

you have to know, you better take care of that dude. Otherwise, it's going to be like a black guy on your organization. Also, I mean, if that's like best case for Gordon, if he's having such a good year that another team wants him and because that other team wants him, he gets, half a million dollars sure i won't say no to that go ahead do it yeah hey don't don't be surprised if this guy is a trade deadline thing he actually had a pretty good first half last year he had a 800 ops in the first half he really fell apart in the second half and uh yeah i mean his numbers against right-handed pitching i mean he was a 273 batter with a 350 on base and he's going to play gold glove

defense i mean you can find a spot for that dude on your team It's an early, early trade deadline watch for Alex Gordon. Okay, noted. Put it on your list. Early trade deadline watch. Start the rumors. The next big one is that Ozuna, a one year $18 million contract. Ozuna is going to the Braves.

Jake, what do you got on this? So, Marcel, the Snell, Ozuna, violent right-handed, bad. That's what I like to say about his swing for some reason because it is. And yeah, I don't know. When the Braves fell out on Donaldson, it kind of felt like this kind of a deep breath. Like, hey, you'll hear some Chris Bryant rumors if that Aeronato stuff fires up, which, by the way, on our talking Yanks podcast, I nipped that in the butt right before Nolan did. But, you know, young thick Austin Riley, your guy, it was like, okay, who's going to step up for the, for these Braves.

And Jim, I thought it was interesting because you thought about the Braves last year is this kind of a great team. Like I was starting to lump them in with the Dodgers a little bit. They were doing a lot of great stuff. When you look at that lineup without Donaldson, it was kind of like, oh, they do fall off quick.

Like, they've got some nice guys, but it's Albi's Acuna, Freeman, and then the other hitters don't kind of jump off the chart to you. Marcelo Zuna is a right-handed bat. they're going to try to throw him in the Donaldson role. I don't think he has the same impact, but he's a guy that his OPS is probably going to end up in the eights. He's going to play okay, solid defense and a corner outfield spot.

And yeah, I think the biggest thing for the Braves is that they want to keep this one-year flexibility. So that was the part that was interesting to me. Because the Braves, they signed two qualifying offer guys, Jim. So in my head, what I know about that? system is that, you know, you give up the first round pick. And then what I know after that is if you sign another, it'd be the second round pick. Wrong.

They signed Will Smith. Under $50 million contract means they have to give up a second round pick. And then, Ozuna, because he's the one for 18, and they gave up the second round pick, they're giving up a third round pick. So there's some draft stuff in Jakey research. at the same time, I like it because it leaves them flexible. At the same time, you're still losing draft picks, which are very valuable. And it's almost like, wouldn't you rather sign Ozuna and feel good about him for three years? But I guess they don't and they have the flexibility.

I wonder if this is how the Braves are going to do it. What I mean is like, you know, they got Hamils on a one-year deal, Zuna on a one-year deal. They have their young core in place. They signed. They extended those guys. they have them. So I wonder if the way that they stay under the luxury cap and all that, or I don't know their money situation is if they're going to like do a revolving door for the next three seasons of one year contracts just trying to find that mix to sprinkle in and like,

you know, sprinkle in the help for the young guys. And they have a great pitching staff too. Yeah, I think it's, I'll call it the Garrett Cole effect. I think, you know, you and I talked about this a little bit. And then we started hoping for it. But Brian Cashman, the Yankees GM, has had a crush on Garrett Cole since he was a high schooler. That sounded weird, huh? But it's true.

It's very true. And, you know, we've gone through Yankees offseason. It's like, oh, are they going to sign this guy? I was pretty locked in that they were going to sign Harper and Machado last year because the Yankees hit, they hit a window and their two prime free agents. They passed. And they were open about that the whole time. I wouldn't be surprised if you're the,

the Braves, if you have Chris Bryant or a Moogie Betts or someone circled, because you do have this young core kind of locked up. And by the way, cheap, I forget one of our short baseball kings, I forget if it was Buster or Kirkagin or whoever it was, but they said like if the Braves don't somehow reach a World Series in the next like six years, it's a, it's an unbelievable failure. I think they even said win a World Series. So I wouldn't be shocked if they... You can't do that. I know, but it's...

I think what they were tying that too is the concept that they have so much young pitching, they have so much young, cheap talent on the offensive side that they are poised to make a big splash at some point. And I think you see that. I mean, what are we going to be saying next year when Hamils and Ozuna come off the books and, you know, the next free agent classes?

That's $36 million a year they could give to someone. So the Braves are a dangerous. team. I think when they looked at this free agent pool, they didn't see the dude they wanted. So I think they're going to go at it next year, see what happens. And then they're going to be ready to make that big splash for whoever their GM really likes, whether it's a Brian or a Betts or whoever hits free agency. Are you rooting mostly primarily for Dansby Swanson? Love Dansby. Vandy. Go Dors. Great flow. He was on stage with the Freddie Freeman video that went viral the other day. Yeah, how about that? You want to talk about that at all? The fact that Freddie Freeman is like getting very emotional about the prospect that the Aster's cheating could have ended careers, could have forced guys to retire.

The specific example he used was kind of not the best because it was an away game. Not perfect. It was an away game. Let me backtrack. If anyone didn't know, the Braves had their fan fest. A lot of teams had their fan fest. A lot of these guys were asked. specifically about the Astro situation.

I mean, Kike Hernandez said they cheated. They won a World Series. They didn't get punished. So that was that. Freddie Freeman got really emotional. Talked about his friend, who was a pitcher who was injured for two years,

busted his ass to get. Chris Medlin, get back to the big leagues, got blown up by the Astros, and then retired. And he's like, were they cheating that game? I don't know.

And we don't know. It wasn't a way game. it was in 2018, did get blown up. So who knows? On the same day, you had Verlander cracking jokes at the baseball writers of America, whatever, you know, saying that the Astros are technical, everyone knows the Astros are technologically analytically advanced. And the juxt position there of like Freddie Freeman getting emotional

about how this could have ruined people's careers and Verlander just kind of joking, is what did I say in? text to you. It's frustrating slash annoying slash fuck you Verlander. Yeah. I mean and I just had this moment of like oh so this is going to happen every three days that

either a player gets a mic in front of them at a fan fest or a spring training or something like that. We're kind of going to get the same thing on loop you know and there's going to be someone sad about it. There's going to be apparently a Houston player that's going to crack a joke about it or

not really fess up to our liking. And that part sucks. And yeah, you're right. I mean, the Chris Medlin example wasn't perfect.

I mean, he's a dude who had significant injuries. He rehabs. That was his one and only start. That was his last start. Ever. I watched it.

I watched it. He's pretty all over the place. Yeah. And I think, and that's the problem. You know, and Houston fans, we're half rightfully so,

like, come on. This is the example. Like, Medlin, his career is basically done. He's just come off you know brutal surgery it's a road game and the whole point is we don't know um and you know you could

go in this vicious cycle of you know it's kind of what you're saying like hey if you're when have you ever heard the story of the person who's cheating and then kind of is like that was fun let's not do it anymore it's no you just constantly want more and more and who knows if they had you know what was going on if whether it's bullpen catcher or anything just that replay room whatever But that's the part that sucks about it. And then, yeah, JV, breaking his silence with a real cracker at the BBWA Awards or Baseball Riders of America. Did I get that right? Yeah, it's, I mean, it's just kind of funny.

And I told you, and I was going to say a moment of weakness, we like baseball, huh? And a moment of weakness that it's like, you and I were kind of at grips with the Astros' punishment. like it's a punishment and that's kind of what we were looking for the fact that the astros guys are still being smug about it is almost the bigger thing like that's we wanted their smugness gone because you got caught you got in trouble and they still have it so now i'm almost on this stance and i'm i'm trying and i'm hoping that it's not my yankee side of me coming out but i've almost at this point where i'm like we punish them again because it doesn't feel like they've been they have an active like they've been punished. They're excited. Yeah, they're ready for 2020. Ready to defend their ale. And I do get that part about it because you have to tell yourself about it that we're

going to go out and do it this year. But you guys are also supposed to fess up, which they're supposedly supposed to do at spring training. Excited to see what that looks like. Yeah. Yeah. Did you see the video of Erlander? Because Sean McLaughlin in the chat said that it was taken out of context.

but there's a video of it and he's not he made a joke he paused for paused for laughter and then he says okay but on a serious note and changes to a serious town like it was intended as a joke i think the thing that uh did get misconstruited by the media it did get more laughs than i thought like when it was when it originally came out it was like oh cecy's about to kill verlander the room is a buzz and it's like yeah i got some laughs like i'll get Verlander that. Yeah, the one guy that was filming, it was like, well played, well played. Shut up, loser. A loser. Thanks for the video.

Oh, right. So the Reds go out and they got all the outfielders in baseball, Jake. The Nationals have signed Ryan Zimmerman, Mr. National, for one year, $2 million deal. They have all the infielders, man. They now have Howie Kendrick, Starlin Castro, ass cabs, Eric Tame, Thames and Ryan Zimmerman. Yeah. All the infielders, man. I don't know how this plays out.

I'm guessing uh, uh, Thames and Zimmerman platoon at first. Ascabs is the middle infielder on the bench. Him and Starlin can both play second and third.

Yeah, I don't know. Kendrick can play second and first. He's listed as I get I, I, in my head, I think he can play. little third. Tames can also still play a little bit of outfield. So I think that's, you know, that that's part of it. When you do add it to the mix, it does seem ridiculous.

But no, and hey, if you're the Nats, you know, you found some magic with some of these dudes. Askabs went nuts for you. Howie Kendrick. We don't even need to talk about that. So, yeah, I mean, it's awesome that Ryan Zimmerman's back. Production-wise, I don't know what you can expect at all. but the fact he's back is just cool. And yeah, if you're a Nats fan again, not the flashiest, hey, Strasberg came back,

and maybe they figured out something hitting wise that they can get the most out of these guys. And hey, they're going to have another fun old man team. They'll be doing silly stuff in the dugout that the most, the most worrisome thing you need to be as the Nationals is that Juan Soto is starting to get older and he realizes that the other old guys are like losers. he stops looking up to them and just like ah shit guys or he wants to start being the old guy in the clubhouse but he's got a long way to go i mean such a long way to go um but yeah hey have fun the gnats and maybe what we're realizing jim because when we grow up when we grew up with baseball the bench was the bench uh louis soho wasn't getting starts

he was a bench player now it's your opinion on 2009 yanks. Like he, it wasn't like, we got to get paying you into some games. It was no, he's the, he's the bench player. You're a bench guy. Baseball's clearly evolved. And with the Cincinnati Reds and with Washington and with what we know about rest and everything right now, you know, these guys are going to get different run at different days and who's hot.

And especially the National League where you're still, you know, the vaunted double switch. I can't figure it out. But, you know, you're going to have these guys that are getting regular run. It's not, hey, here's our starting lineup, run it out there every day. Dorn! No, it's these guys are all going to get run. And, hey, maybe these old birds are going to love it. All of them can play 100 games and be rested by the end of the year.

That'd be cool. Load management days. Load management and baseball. Kind of what they did with Lou Gehrig. What do you want to talk about next? You want to go to managers or the Rockies bought out Trevor Story's arbitration for like 13 mil a year. It's kind of one of those boring

boring extensions. They don't have to go to arbitration for two years. He's guaranteed 13. Something million each year. He's the Rocky. It sounded cool at first, and then like the updates came and they're like, oh, it's not really anything. It's boring, but you have to think about what's going on out here.

We had the Aeronado thing come up. The Rockies haven't signed any major league free agents. and I think that ties into why our friend Nolan Aeronado was mad. They've signed Drew Boutera, Chris Owings, and Elias Diaz to minor league contracts. That's been the Rockies offseason. And I think it's funny. You and I have a chat with some baseball people. Won't name drop.

It's whatever. Not Trevor Plouf. We hate that guy. No, go listen to that fun MLB episode if you haven't. But we've been joking about the NLS a lot. And somehow I've been. labeled the NL West Defender because the Dodgers are going to win the division. We know this.

And then you kind of have everyone who's not the Giants aiming for that 84 win mark. And one of those teams is going to end up above there and potentially compete for the wildcard. One or two of those teams is going to drop off and things aren't going to happen. The Rockies are telling themselves that this is still part of their window. And that's why the Trevor story two years is important to them. It's to A, calm down Nolan Aeronado. And then B, you know, I mean, they're just banking on a lot of guys getting back.

Kyle Freeland, who is so impressive in their wild card run. He had one of the worst seasons across baseball last year. They're looking for dudes to bounce back. This Trevor's story extension was the franchise trying to do anything to make Aeronado happy, make the guys on the team happy that, hey, you know, we, yes, we haven't made significant moves this off season, but that's because we think we have the dudes here. So I don't know. Maybe that's even over analyzing, but that's what they were trying to do.

Their staff is pretty brutal. Yeah. The ballpark's tough, bro. But still, whatever. A good, good for them locking up story. You don't have to do arbitration. I don't mind these buying out the arbitrationeers contracts. They're just kind of boring.

But I don't think this counts as like, hey, Nolan, look, we did something. like I was here anyway, dude. What are you talking about? Yeah, I think window is the important. It's the important term because Aeronado, Trevor Story, Charlie Blackman, I want to say he might have two years on his contract. Right now the Rockies are telling everyone like, hey, like let's go get it. Now's the time. We're expecting, you know, David Dahl was an All-Star last year.

We're expecting Ryan McMahon. You should check out those hard hit rates, Jim. God, my Rocky fans are so happy with me. And yeah, I mean, look at the year Freeland and Sansaella had. I mean, ERA's starting with six. John Gray figured it out. He was the missing guy the year before that. So I don't know.

It's a lot of talking to yourself if you're a Rockies fan. That lineup, man, if they can, if those dudes are right, I mean, they're still going to be able to rake. It's just, it's always been the other side of the ball for the Rockies. Yeah, I don't think they're trying to win. We'll get to that, maybe later on in the show. Sure. Have some manager updates. A lot of manager stuff out there.

We have the Mets hired a manager. Luis Rojas. Yeah. Was a Felipe Alu's son? Luis Rojas? I'm not sure of the lineage. Yeah. Rojas is the son of former professional baseball player and manager,

Felipe Alu, as well as the half-brother of former outfieler, Moises Alu. Baseball family. I was going to say, I know Moises. There was a quote. that like my, he was like my dad was my teacher and mentor and taught me everything I know about baseball. I think he's been in the Mets minor league system, so he knows a lot of these guys and he's one manager of the year in the minor leagues, speak Spanish, he's young, he's 38. A lot of the writers were joking like the Mets just inadvertently signed a really good manager. Yeah. That's the Mets, babe. And hey, again, I'm going to make a lot of layup jokes on the Mets always.

And, hey, any team, I'm going to make layup jokes around. That's just kind of what I do. But the Mets, I mean, come on. But no, they've stumbled into an all right situation here. And I think the bigger thing that we're going to talk about in a second is the two other teams are still like, hey, what the hell is going on? I mean, we're talking Houston in a second and all the dudes they're interviewing. But the Mets, they kind of, again, another situation where you're wondering how weird or something bad that can happen to the Mets,

never mind them hiring a manager that never got to coach a game. But for that situation taking place under these circumstances, they had a really good backup option. Yeah, good for that. And it's good that they acted quickly. Like you said, the Astros, man, they got to hire someone. I think it's going to come this week. They got, they interviewed A's quality control coach Mark Katsay last week.

um cate's been the ninth candidate known candidate that houston has interviewed joe espada edwardo perrez will van abebel um those are potential first time managers then they did brad osmiss don't hire him dusty baker jeff banister john gibbons buck showalter of all those former mlb skippers buck is the only one i would consider if i was the astros but i didn't I wasn't in the interview, so I don't really know what, like, you know, they all bring. But as an outsider, I'd go first year manager or Buck Showalter. We both are scared of them hiring Buck. I've been in fear of them hiring Buck.

I think he's, like, just perfect for what they need. Jeff Bannister, I'd have to dig in a little more. I remember he was really well liked in Texas for a little bit. And then he had to play against Houston, and they were cheating. Hey, oh, anyways. Yeah, I don't know. You and I have followed Joe Espada for a little while. Dude is interviewed for a ton of jobs.

Now they're up to nine candidates. He's got to be like, you're kidding, right? The one that's surprising me is Katsi. Like, if I'm, like we've said, spring training is here. We are here. If I'm the A's, like, I think it's kind of shunned upon, but I think this would be one of the times I'd be like, no, dude, like you are with us for this season.

but I'm sure there's moving parts to that that I don't know about and I could just be talking out of my butt. But yeah, as a fan of another AL team, I don't want them to get Buck Showalter. I don't think anyone else on the list really, I feel, is too impactful. Maybe Eduardo Perez, there's some people in baseball that do like him a lot. But yeah, I don't know. again like picture if the situations were switched if if houston had hired their manager and it was really quick and easy and the Mets had interviewed nine candidates how hard would we be shitting on the Mets right now that's why I said good for the Mets they yeah they got it in and out I think

they could have just kept Beltron but they got Luis Rojas and people everyone saying good things who knows I mean judging a manager before he gets hired we kind of did this with tingler and San Diego like fuck knows right who knows if he's a good man manager John. The Padres know way more than anyone else about that dude. So they're either going to be right or wrong. We'll find out in a year or two. Do we have anything on the socks? I don't know. I haven't heard anything on the Red Sox. Damn. Quentin Huberner, Patreon in the chat, the live chat says that Bannister is from Houston

and he says it would be a safe hire as far as fan-based reaction goes. Him or Espada would be the fave. I don't think they should be allowed to hire Spada. It's like that dude was part of this. He wasn't there in 2017, but he's been in that room, you know, it kind of seems like no punishment at all. Yeah. Danister, did he win manager of the year? Did I dream that?

You dream a lot of things. I dream a lot of things. Let's see. Jeffrey Todd Banniger. Yeah, he won in 2015. He won AL Manager of the year. Okay, so yeah, 2015, Texas was still doing all right stuff. And then that, yeah, that Houston team kind of took off on him, which hurt him.

So, yeah, if I'm a Houston person, A, I tell them you want Buck Showalter. But I think Jeff Bannister is a pretty good prize. He's a dude who's managed, you know, he won a manager of the year. Houston guy, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Buck Showalter's one manager of the year. I love Buck, man.

Love Buck. He's won it twice. One with the Rangers and one with the Yankees. Oh. That. Yeah, twice. That image you have of Buck Showalter going in and taking every TV out of the clubhouse is I can't get it out of my head. It's awesome.

You think you need these? You need these? Yeah. It's kind of the opposite. It's the opposite of her Brooke speech when he says, if you think you can win on talent alone, you're wrong. Yeah. Buck Shawalter's like, we're only going to win on talent. Yeah.

Like you want to know what you should look at? He posts a picture of Mickey Mantle. Here you want to see. Look at this. Poster of Nolan Ryan. Yeah. Oil can boyd. Well, it's a lot of drugs, I think, in that one.

Drugs on my mind. On my mind. You put this in here, Jake. The Phillies signed left-hand pitcher Francisco Luriano. They invited, they signed infielder Neil Walker, Bud Norris, and Drew Storrent, minor league contracts. I think A, I think that interests you because they're MLB guys that you know. Yeah.

B, the fucking Phillies, man. They're just trying to win my heart. I've had a crush on Neil Walker for a little while now. Disco Neil. They have become Yankees East with Girardi, Deity, Diti, just everyone. Robertson. Terrez. Tosho, baby.

Yeah, and it's, I don't know. I think it's kind of funny as we've, as we've gone through this. Like, if you and I heard that Liriano Walker, Bud Norris, Or Drew Storen, signed like a one year, $2 million contract, I think you and me would be like, hey, cool, they brought a guy in. The fact that they're just MILB guys that they can make the team or not, good for Philly. Like, I have a little bit of bias, but like,

I think Neil Walker can still do it a little bit if he finds the right role on that team, but I'm not going to corner him into that. Don't corner him in anyway. I'm not going to corner him in it. All right, good. Thank God. I think that's all we have. I have the little game we're going to play.

Just a refresher course. You know, the free agent portion of winter meetings is basically over. We have Pweig, you have Brock Holt, you have a bunch of role players left. There might be some family and friends of those people that are really waiting. But for the most part, it's good. You know? And I think it's really good because we had some huge changes in landscape for some players. And some teams say like, oh, we're going to go all in. But we also had, you know, like Gordon to the Royals, Zimmerman to the Nats, Gardner to the Yankees.

We had some, you know, signings that were like, good. I don't want to see him in another uniform. I like that. I was doing it to the Braves. So I think that we got enough change of scenery to change things up. And we got enough staying the same. So I'm very happy with that. the offseason. Have we had a weird old man signing that we're going to be like it's tough to see him

in that uniform? Bumgarner to the Diamondbacks. Yes. Yep. Nailed it. Yeah. And another another name you left we left off the list. Adam Wainwright returned to St. Louis earlier this off season. But yeah, okay, Bumgarner easily wins the weirdest guy in a jersey award. Yeah. All right. So we're going to go down the list here, Jake. And we're just going to refresh the listeners and ourselves. And There's a couple buckets here. Can you keep like a tally chart or something? I'll just put a Y or an N next to the team name. Okay.

Well, what are the buckets? Because now you got me a fierred. Trying to win? Yes. Not trying to win. Trying to win. No. Okay.

So two buckets. Yes. Okay. Atlanta Braves, very easy. We're going to the NL East first. Yes. Marlins. No.

No, but I do, I have a little Marlin speech, Jim, because they just signed Matt Joyce. They're taking the next step. They're going one rung up the latter. Dude, for my 14 Marlin fans out there, Matt Joyce, Cory Dickerson, Servelli, they got Aguilar and they got VR. Aguilar, nice. Aguilar. They got VR from the Orioles like for a Marlins off season, like, good shit, guys. There's another way to do this game. and it's did they improve their team this offseason, yes or no? I think that's got to be two different games.

It's two different games, yeah. Because the Mets, yes, trying to win. Did they do anything this offseason? Step right up and meet the Mets. They've had two managers. That's pretty impressive. Yeah, that is the most amount of managers this off season. The Mets have signed.

Two managers signings. Porcelo to be like their fifth starter. Oh, yeah. Delen Batances in the pin, which could be good, could be bad. Yeah, that's nice. Michael Waka was kind of that bonus swing arm. And then they just did Eduardo Nunez to a minor league contract, who's the perfect Met.

He can hit a little bit and can't play defense anywhere. Yeah, that'll really help their defense, which was ranked worst in the major leagues last year. They clear they're not valuing the defense, which the pitchers can't be happy about. So, yes, the Mets made moves. the better their team, and yes, they're trying to win. Philadelphia Phillies, yes, and yes.

They are trying to win, and they made moves to better their team. That's awesome. We are Gregorius. Raining champs, Washington Nationals, yes, and yes. So the only team we have not trying in the NL East right now is the Miami Marlins, but they did make moves to improve their team, but they're still not trying to win the division. They're not on the same level yet, but I think they had like, second most top 100 prospects, and like we said, they're doing some good things.

So, uh, yet two years from now, Miami, come on. Well, that's cool. That's four teams out of five right there in the east. Yeah. All right. Chicago Cubs, yes and no. Yes, they're trying to win. No, they didn't do anything this offseason to better their team.

Ryan Tepera and Steven Sousa Jr. both signed for under a million dollars. Damn. Cincinnati Reds, yes, and a big old yes. talked a lot about them already this show. Yeah. Milwaukee Brewers. Yes and yeah. Yeah.

Yes and no? It's yes and the, um, tough to say, man. Who'd they bring in? They brought in a pitcher.

Brett Anderson, Avicale Garcia, Lynn Bloom from overseas, I mean, it's a Brewer's offseason, man. Justin Smoke, Sogaard. You know, I think they- Yes and yes. Sure. They're trying.

Trying their hardest. Ooh, Pittsburgh Pirates. That's a no and a no. That's a double no. Well, they did make improvements. So they fired their manager and their GM and have decided, okay, we need to reboot. So that's kind of a yes,

but so far away from actually improving the on-the-field team. They're actually trying to make it worse for a little bit, I think. Guillermo Heredia and Luke Maly. They're only two MLB contracts. Central. The last one, Cardinals. Yes, and yes, who do the Cardinals bring in? They got Waino back.

Waino and Wheaters. So, yeah, I mean, tough. Ozuna's gone, and that's a significant impact player. Yeah, that's kind of tough. All right, but they'll be there. So that's four teams in the Central trying to win. Now we get to Jake's favorite West, Arizona Diamondbacks. Yes and yes, but they're not going to.

Well, see, that's where this whole NL West thing gets tricky. I mean, they signed Madison Bumgarner to a pretty good contract. They brought in Cole Calhoun, who's a respected MLB player, and they had a bunch of young guys have really nice years last year. like the diamond backs are telling themselves. Are we saying they're telling themselves they're competing? Yeah, they're trying to win. That was the question. The diamondbacks are trying to win. Yeah, that's a yes and yes. Now, the Rockies is a very odd. Yes, they're trying to win. No, they didn't improve their team this offseason. I'm saying a yes and kind of. Like I said,

they had a couple dudes who threw up duds last year and they had a couple young guys take a step. That doesn't count. We're talking about bringing in new people. Right. Who did they lose, though? You know? But the second question is, did they improve their team this offseason? And just by natural, guys may get better.

That's not it. So, like, the Dodgers, they're yes and no as well. They didn't improve their team. But yeah, they're trying to win. Padres, yes and yes. Yes and yes. and the Giants are no and no. No and no for sure.

So you got, so every, every NL team has four, every division has four teams thinking they can make a run at the playoffs and one team saying, nah, not this year. That's pretty good. That's a pretty good spot for baseball. Did the NLs got a lot? Did Sam Brand get worse? Yeah, they brought in Gabe Kapler. Ooh, shots fired.

They signed Kevin Gossman and a ball. A bunch of other pitchers. Drew Smiley, Tony Watson, Tyler Anderson, Tyson Ross, Jerry Blevins. Those are, they just got, those are just fillers. They just brought in guys to fill spots as they try to lose. Might have gotten better. All right. American League.

No, they lost Madbom. They got worse. Yeah. Baltimore Orioles. That's a no and a no. Well, no and did they do anything? No. They got rid of the yard, man.

They didn't get better. It was like their best player. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Interesting one. Boston Red Sox, that's a yes, kind of. It might be a no soon and a no.

Like if they do go through with a price trade or a mooky trade, I don't think mooky trade's happening, but that would change it to not trying to win in 2020. Currently trying it in 2020, did they do anything to improve their team this offseason? No. No. Yeah.

New York Yankees. He lost Portello and brought in Martin Perez. Yeah. Yeah. New York Yankees is a yes and a yes. They got Garrett Cole. Tampa Bay Race. That's a yes and a yes.

They made some trades. They did some active stuff. Whether you think it's for the best benefit of the team or not, they're definitely they do. They think they tried to improve their team this offseason. Yeah. And they brought in a who's that dude from Japan? I watched his hype video the other day and I'm all in on him again.

Oh, yeah, yeah, they, uh, Susugo. Susugo, yeah. All right. Blue Jays. You would laugh so hard at the stuff that that hype video talked me into on Susugo. Hype videos are crazy, man. It was because I'm in on Susugo because he was the team captain and the crowd liked him,

which they showed in like a two, in a five second video clip. All right. That's good. Popularity contest. He's a leader and he's popular. All right, how about this? The Blue Jays, interesting. Are they trying to win?

Yes, they're trying to win a wild card spot. Did they improve their team? Yes, because they had zero pitchers, and they went out, they got Ryu, and they got a bunch of other arms to fill out that rotation. Will it improve their team? A little bit from last year. But it's a yes and a yes. but I don't think they're trying to win the division.

I think they're trying to have a good year, winning season, hopefully get a wild card. Hey, man, they're going to be in spring training, and this is my, my Rockies effect you didn't accept, and it's much better on the Blue Jays level, but they're telling themselves that Vlad Jr., Flo Bichette, and Kevin Bezio are about to be jump from cool rookies to some of the best players in baseball. Yeah, yeah, I agree. So that's, the Red Sox are still in a buffer zone, but as of now, we have four teams in the AL East actively trying to win, and the Orioles not. So we're in a really good path for baseball right now. Last year, it was not this many.

AL Central, Chicago White Sox, hard yes, and hard yes. They're doing a lot. Brought in a lot of guys. Cleveland Indians, yes, and no. Yes and no They didn't do anything to improve their team But they're trying to win They have the pitching staff to win

But even that is like Who'd they lose technically this off season They traded Kluber for Quig and Kluber Yeah For Shields So yeah they have not done better No

But they're trying to win The Tigers are a no Not trying to win but same as the Marlins, they took that one step up the latter to like, let's bring in some major league players to at least round this out. Maybe they have a good couple months, and then we trade them for prospects. So, like, they're doing the next step of the rebuild, finally. But no, they should have done this last year.

Yes, they should have done that last year. They were taking too long. And then the Kansas City Royals, this is our first division that has two nos. The Royals are not trying to win next year. And did they get better? No. No. That's kind of funny.

The twins are, yes, they're trying to win, and yes, they got better. They brought in some pitchers. They did some stuff. They got Donaldson. So you have three teams in the central. That's the first division, by our judgment, that has only three teams competing. White Sox, Indians, twins. Yeah.

All right. Last division. The Houston Astros, are they trying to win? Yes. Did they get better in the offseason? No. They've been too scared to make moves because they have a lot going on. They, and they, not, not making moves.

I mean, they lost Garrett Cole. Yeah. Did they replace him with anyone? No. Their technical free agent signings are Maldonado, Garno, and Joe Smith. Yeah. So, yes and no. Those guys were on the team.

And the other is Dustin Garno. All right. The angels are a yes. and like whether you want to believe in it or not, yes, they did try some things out to get better. Oh, dude, they signed Rendon. Oh, yeah, forgot about Rendon. I was just thinking the pitchers.

So the Angels are easy yes and yes. Yes. Okay, Jake, what about the Oakland Athletics? It's a yes. What moves did they make? I'm blanking. They picked up some people. They lost Trinen,

whatever his name is. Oakland, they might be a yes and a no. The one free agent they technically signed was Jake Deekman, who I believe they traded for, and he was on their team and then signed. So there's something there. But yeah, I mean, Oakland operates differently. They're banking on young guys. Hey, if for all my Oakland fans, they're saying yes.

Because dude, remember all their young guys? They called up last year. They called the Grotto pitcher. poop or whatever. They had that young catcher who did really well. And, I mean, they're all in on their young infield. So yeah. Didn't they get a catcher?

Didn't the A's pick up a catcher? I don't know. Not in free agency. Oh. I think they traded for someone's third string catcher or something like that. Because then it cleared them up to trade their catcher if they wanted to. I forgot. I thought it was something like that.

And Ramon Luriano told us. he was hurt at the end of last year. So just take that information. Yeah. Seattle Mariners, are they trying to win? No. No, right? Did they make moves to get better?

No. Okay. And the Texas Rangers is a yes and a yes, hard yes and yes. Yeah. So you got every division has at least three teams.

The only division, that has less than four teams trying to win is the Central, AL Central. They have the Tigers and the Royals. And you know what, dude, if the Indians get off to a bad start, they're going to try not to win as well. So the Central is still the most wide open. I mean, last year, the Central, the twins had no competition. I mean, they had the Indians, but the Indians weren't even trying until halfway

when, like, Ramirez came back and got hot again, and they brought up those young pitchers and stuff like that. Twins had a very easy route to the playoffs last year. It's going to be a little tougher for them with the White Sox going all in, but they're still very much in there. Yeah, and hey, I'm not going to undersell Cleveland. They still got that Lindor guy. They got Ramirez, who, if you remember,

he had like the worst first half ever, which was just baseball. Dude, they have a good squad. They have management that wishes they didn't have a good squad. right but i mean hey they they did the bower trade last year that brought in fran mil reyes who if that dude takes a leap carlos santana can still do it oscar mercado that guy is just an athlete it was fun watching him play um tall drink of water and dude all their uh all their young pitchers beber clevenger pleasack plucco uh carasco savalli eh um like cluber only through three 35 innings for them last year and it was a 5-8 ERA.

Like, they, they are still going to be able to, to twirl it, and they still got a good lineup. They're going to be there. Yeah. That was a fun exercise. That was fun. Should we do that at the end of every show, just to remind ourselves? No, but I do think because the, the off season is kind of coming to a close, that it was good

to see, like, all right, what are we left with? And we will be doing anyone that is also a Yankees fan and listens to talking Yanks. did I say this on this already? I think I gave this to be on Talking Yanks. I don't think so. I was about to say should we drop the bomb on these people? Because I think we're going to get a lot of people excited. Yeah.

So on Talking Yanks for the last two years, Jake and I, first day of spring training until opening day, we do an episode a day. For Talking Yanks, we do 30 players. We highlight them, profile them, give some projections whenever we don't have a full episode. All the way up until opening day. since we have talking baseball this year,

we are doing that with talking baseball as well. So don't talk to us in February, March. We are busy. We are so busy. But we will be doing an episode a day, each episode on every team. Who left,

who came, what their rotation looks like, what their lineup looks like, maybe a spring training battle. I don't know. It's going to be a lot of research, a lot of work. But that's what we like.

like to do to gear up for opening day. So on talking baseball, there will be an episode every day. We'll probably stay two full episodes and Plouf will host one of the full episodes until the season starts. And then once the season starts, we'll get back into the series recaps, the slump watch, the Enfuego, the Who Got Mad if you were with us last year and all that. And we'll be two series recaps every week, Monday and Friday, and then Plouf's episode, which will be Wednesday. So once the season kicks off, we got a lot to do. That's why I'm excited that we're going to be in the same room now. I'm pretty happy.

I'm thinking there's a couple people that are like, okay, you're just going to go through every team right now and tell me if they're trying to compete. Like I think a couple people dipped. The people who stayed and we're like, yeah, let's go through every team, just got some of the best news they could possibly hear. So I'm excited for them. Excite for us, man.

Yeah. That's say, hey, you know what? It's the Mamba mentality, Jake. Hey. Tomorrow's not promised anyone. We got an office now. We are going to do as much as we. Pedal goes down harder now that we're in the same room.

That's my mentality. Mine has always been pedal hard. A question from our rich George, brother of poor George. Any fantasy baseball-oriented episodes in the works? You know, we will have the office and we're going to have like Keith and Joe's and other guys around. So I don't know if that's ever going to be like a podcast like for just fantasy baseball. Maybe it's a YouTube series. But maybe we can maybe try and work something around fantasy baseball.

Yeah, it'll be interesting. I think the daily stuff is so popular now. I feel like when we do slump watching in Fuego, that's our version of. Oh, yeah, that kind of is. that's our version of fantasy baseball a little bit, but yeah, I wouldn't be shocked if we end up getting closer to the daily fantasy realm this year,

especially if Draft Kings or Fandul or someone else were to give us a significant sum of money. I think, I mean, we're kind of, we do this a lot where we brainstorm on air. You know how I do the two-minute recaps of Yankee games? Sure. Like if we did Jake's streamers or whatever, going streaming

while I'm peeing maybe maybe while you're hanging upside down from the monkey bars you always go there and then and then you just

give out your stream picks for like that day it'd be like a quickest because you know if you do something daily pretty quick with it I like that idea we'll figure it out

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