Talkin' Baseball (MLB Podcast) - 96 | MLB Prop Bets and Interview with Austin Meadows & Ryan Yarbrough

Episode Date: February 27, 2020

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Welcome to Talking Baseball. We're doing MLB prop bets, and we've got an interview with Austin Meadows and Ryan Yarbrough from the raise. Let's do it. All right, everybody, what's going on? It's Talking Baseball. Not a mini episode, a full episode.

Thank you for tuning into all the mini episodes as we go. If you're watching on YouTube, you know exactly what you're looking at. But if you're listening on the podcast app, it is Trevor Plouffe, Jake Storelli, and myself sitting in the RV. recording as it rains in Bradenton, Florida. Gorgeous.

How are you guys doing? Doing great. We had a great day. It was it Lecom field today? Yeah. Lecom. Got to take in the Pirates game against the Red Sox. We had a ton of fun there.

Yeah. What's Lecom stand for? Ladies, everyone can organize materials? It was something about orthopedic medicine. That's not even a word. No. Lehigh Valley Stone Doctors. It's an acronym for something.

It's an acronym. Pirates were nice to us. We like the pirates, right? Yeah. We had a good time, and a lot of wholesome content was had. That's all we do. And now we're back on the grind.

We only do. Is this our first time the three of us ripping talking baseball together in a room? It's a good observation. It is. Yeah, it is. Thank you. It feels like the thousand time.

Good job, Jake. Thank you. Maybe that's just me. You guys feel that? Great observation. I wouldn't say a thousand. I feel comfortable. We spent a lot of time in RV talking baseball last couple days.

We're just doing it with mics on now. Jimmy, how are you doing? I'm doing good. Let's take it all down. We've got Big Baby David semi-producing right now, Esposito editing stuff in the corner. We've all been in this RV for a couple days now. Jim, how are you? Give me the breakdown, comma, a breakdown.

My back in the mornings is real bad. Okay. I was having back problems before the trip. The RV bed doesn't help. Yeah. So I like that we're getting up early, but it's, it's, and how cold I am in the morning, plus the back problems, that's been a problem. Okay. And then yesterday the sun was brutal.

Today was better. Yesterday was the only dead. The sun makes me into an angry, miserable person. And yesterday it got me, got to me. We saw that a little bit yesterday. I can't help it. I wish I could. I really wish I could, but I can't.

I hate it. Just walking around and dripping sweat. Yes. That's basically what we did yesterday. Yeah, it was gross. Trevor? I'm not going to complain like Jim did over there. I'm having a great time.

Gotta be honest with you. You know, I'm a, you guys have heard me say this now, but I'm an RV guy. Like, I grew up doing it. So I'm comfortable in like these tight spaces with everybody. I mean, I'm the driver. And last night was a little sketch when we're on our way up here. Because we left Fort Myers to come to Bradenton last night. I think we left Fort Myers about 930.

So pitch black outside. We don't have the best headlights on this RV. And the windshield wipers are about a two out of ten. And it got a little sketch on that. I thought we weren't complaining. I'm just explaining what happened and kind of pumping myself up. You let me finish here. I overcame the sun.

Yeah. You overcame the sun. I got us to our destination safely. And like I said, I'm having a great time. Yeah. We don't care about you. All right. Moving on to baseball.

How are you feeling about your haircut? I'm okay with it. I think, you know, I got the high and tight fade, Andy Fade hooked it up. It's a special experience. Trevor's getting a little emotional. That's a part of being a ball. It's part of being in the show.

It's not a part of being in both. You talked about chasing the high of a haircut. And, yeah, at first it was a little much. Just because, I mean, I norm, my style is normally non-style. Like, that's normally what I'm pushing. and it was, I need a little more flip. I have something to say. I need my body to go north and south a little more because it's a lot of east and west.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. What are you going to say? That when we watched the video back and saw what your hair was doing before, you look so slovenly. So it really does make you look really good now. The hard part's tough. I don't think you could ever do that again. Right.

But the fade looks good. Yeah, no. It looks pretty good, and I see my normal trick to a haircut is you want to lose like five pounds and then get the haircut. So then it looks like you've really, you've had a full makeover. Right now I'm probably plus five. So the haircut helps, but it's still not where I'd like to be. Food reviews at every spring training venue. Yeah, yeah.

Yeah, it's been a lot. That's been tough for me. You know what I've, and this takes it back to a little bit of our actual baseball spring training trip. Every spring training, like, I don't think people do what we're doing where they, they compare. I compare spring training facilities to each other for like for Tampa. The first time I went to a Tampa game for Yankees. I just compared that to Yankee Stadium. And it varies spring training.

It's like lessen. And even like the Pirates today, you compare that to a Pirates game. It's spring training. Yes. But when you compare all the spring trainings, you can see like, oh, the Yankees and the Pirates really lack. Yeah. I mean, I think this is a place for teams to really go out and just like do whatever.

You know? And yeah. I mean, the Yankees, that's kind of their thing. They don't need to do that, so they don't do it. They sell out every game. The Braves can't even sell out their home opener. Yeah, so, I mean, we had a really good time, you know, at the Twins facility. They were nice to us, but they also, I think, they do a good job there.

It's a nice place to view a game. Today, the Pirates facility, we'll put the vlog out so everyone can see that. Again, really nice to us, but more of like an old school stadium. It doesn't have the new amenities. Like, we were sitting on the berm at the Twins game, you know, relaxing. Should be illegal for us. a stadium, a spring training same to not have a burn. Yeah, the berm is key.

Yeah. Big time. I kind of, I liked Pittsburgh. I mean, the Braves new facility. Brand spank and new, real nice. Pittsburgh gets the job done. I like the Pittsburgh Stadium, but the environment around it was kind of tough. What else do we like?

I'm a hard disagree on that. Stadium to me is there's just nothing there. No. It's weird because it's a junior college field. That's what, yeah. A little bit. The stands, you can, like, usually the clubhouses are underneath the stands or bathrooms. They're just, like, high school where you just see underneath the stands.

You can walk underneath them. Yeah, that's true. It's crazy. I love about you guys. Enough about us. We have the interview later on, but first Trev had an idea that we all thought was pretty good. And it was? Well, since this is the Trevor Plouffe talking baseball show of the week, I'm saying something funny here.

No, you know, I thought as we. approach the season, and there's been a lot in the news about gambling and how it's kind of getting legalized across the country. We could take a look at some of the prop bets. Some of the funner ones, there's some that are kind of crazy that you don't want to put any money into. But I think we found some value in some of these future bets for the team. So we'll go over an over that we like, team total wins, and then an under we like for team total wins.

And then we're going to peruse the individual award. The proppers. The proper. So we'll talk about anything that sticks out there. Who's going to lead the league in home runs? Say Young, MVP, stuff like that. But, yeah, as we as a country go further and further in on this gambling thing, I think it's important for us to talk about it a little bit.

That's pretty impressive. I agree. Let's take a step back. Because I think we got way too close to baseball there. I almost got there. It's so close. You go to Vegas. What games are you playing?

Do you get the gambler's itch? I haven't been to Vegas in. on time. I'm a card guy, so I love to play poker. But when you go to Vegas, it's not about sitting down playing poker. Right. It's more like the instant gratification. So blackjack is always great for me. I love playing roulette.

Yes. And I think it's the worst game to play. Absolutely. But it's also, like, so fun because you get that, like, you get the ball spinning and people are going crazy. And craps is something that I like to play if I'm with someone that knows what the fuck they're doing. Because I don't.

Right. I don't. So there's a It depends If you're by yourself blackjack With a group of friends Rillette or craps That's my that's my take

Jimmy you don't get the gamblers itch too much No No zero much Okay I'll go to the lowest Low blackjack And play that till everyone else is ready to leave Play a couple hands yeah

I get it I get it I could see you getting out of hand That's kind of where I look at you Yeah I've seen him get at it Yeah Jake in a roulette table is an ugly, ugly mix.

I don't like being around that. Give me high and low. What's the most you won, most you lost, and a single outing? I've seen them lose, I mean, I don't know. You can throw your own numbers out there. I'll say a thousand either way. Okay.

What's fucked up is a thousand winning doesn't feel as good, or you can't compare when. No. Let me go back and start that over. When you win a thousand bucks, it feels great. But when you lose a thousand bucks, it feels way worse. Not as good.

Just on a fucking. and ball. Just on a ball bouncing. It's real dumb. So, yeah, I give the lame gambling speech. I don't really gamble on sports because I'm the guy that I'll lose. I lose everything. Okay.

So, like, I normally hate the guy that says that. Like, there'll be a guy that's like, yeah, I don't fight because I'm, like, scared of what I'll do. And you're like, fuck you, dude. You suck. But no, with gambling, and I think Jimmy can't confirm. But that's why I'm excited to do this. Let's talk about it. Who's got the first pick?

Are we going to do over unders first? Yeah, let's do the team. Yeah. Team Total over under wins. And I think Jim should go first. Yeah. Yeah, so we've been doing these on the mini episodes, right? A little bit.

These are our best bets. Check those out. We haven't been full yet. And I have my under that I wanted to go. You loved it. Under first. Yeah. It's the fucking...

Okay. I'm sorry. Hard F. That was just... That was just... Hard F. It's the Tigers. Oh, wow.

Oh, okay. Interesting. It's 56 and a half. I think they're going to be so bad. Okay. Jim, that's a lot of games that you've got to lose to get there. They were the worst team in the history of baseball last year. Okay.

Where were they 47 wins last year? They won, like, 47 games last year. They didn't get better. They're actually actively trying to get worse. They brought in some one-year guys, but their hope is to trade them and then just... We're not a math pod, but how many wins is that? I mean, how many losses? I'm sorry.

$1. Five? You said 57, right? Yeah, yeah. It's 105. 105. Yeah, they won 46 games last year, 47 games last year. I think they're going to be worse.

It's not a bad one. That's not bad. I mean, I see the logic. It's just... In a division that got better, mind you. Yeah, some would say. White Sox got better. Twins.

Twins got better with Donaldson. And... Lost Gibby, dude. He's our guy. Friend of the pod. Shout out Gibb. Shout out Gibb. It's our guy.

Indians are going to be sellers this year. No, I don't, I don't, it's like, I understand the logic. I understand the logic. I wouldn't take that over for sure, but I don't, that's, like you, if they for some reason play a bad team like the last week of the season, you could get screwed on that. You didn't wow me with that. They're going to get close to that. That's because I'm not trying to wow you. I'm just trying to make people on money.

Hey, good pick. Thanks. Good pick. All right. Should we go unders then? Yeah, give us your under. My under. It's a team that I realize their fan base isn't going to like me all season.

Washington Nationals. What's the line? Line was 89 and a half. Here's my thing. Pitching is so good. NLEs got better. They won the World Series. Who got better in the NL East?

The Mets stayed the same. Yeah. Slash maybe got a little bit better. They won 85 games last year. Philly's got better. They added Wheeler and Gregorius. Okay. But Phillies definitely got better.

They added Batans, or... The Mets. Wheeler. But the Phillies added Wheeler, D-D, D-D. They added some other people. Someone else. I personally think the Mets are going to be a little better. I think the, I mean, the Braves are young.

They're just a really good team. And I just think repeating is so hard to do in this sport. But there's repeating and there's losing, you know, the over-under. Right, right, right. But, I mean, they were a wild card last year. Their division got better. Scherzer's had injuries the last two years, and he just completed his life's mission. Corbyn, I mean, he's really good.

I don't know what he's a lock for. Strasbourg, I mean, he just got paid paid, and he's, you know, I just think that team is going to come down to earth, and they lost Rendon, who was like the core of that lineup, who had a special season. So I just think the Nats take a step back. And I mean, I don't think they're going to be a bad ball team, but I just don't see them. You know, I think they're 84, 85, 86.

Okay. Okay. I think you guys know what I'm going to go. Oh, yeah. Are you going on the under? Heal. No, I mean. Oh, I agree with you here.

We talked about me being the antithesis of what you guys sort of represent, which is just Yankees baseball, Twitter. Okay. We kind of have to have the end of the yang. But even if I wasn't trying to be that, I think this is a good bet. I think the Yankees will not win 103 games this year. That's a lot of games to win.

I agree with you. It's a preposterous ask. It's a hundred three. They are very good. If it was 100, would you go under? Yes. The reason I say that is it's just one kind of skid. That's all that it takes for them not to win over 100 games.

The injuries are piling up already. We have some injuries. So that's why if you look now, the numbers juiced on the under a little bit, it's at minus 160. I don't know if the number has dropped if it went from like 103.5 to 102. I'm not sure because I just looked today on that. But they're a good team. But the ALE East, you know, obviously the teams, that's down.

It's down, but it's still competitive. It's not an insult to be like, I don't think you're going to win 103 games. I agree. I'm saying they're a good team, but that's really tough to do. And it's going to take one, even an average month. Right. You know, say they split the games and they have a 500 month, which is not a bad month to have. You're not going to get to that number.

Last year. That's averaging, what is it? I was doing the math. I'm going to use that. It's like 17 wins a month. Yeah, the only thing is what you have going for is like they're injured already. Severino's out for the whole season. He was out for all of last season, so kind of a wash there.

Paxton's out for a little bit. Paxton missed it a little bit last year. They have Cole. Huge difference as a starting pitcher to have Cole going. they, Stanton's hurt right now, Stanton was gone all of last year. They won 103 games last year. Yeah.

They're adding Andrew Har's bat. They're adding Cole. That's the only difference. Like, if you take Sevy and G out of the equation, they weren't part of the 103-win team. So who cares? I think it's their, I think, like, they could win 103 games if everything goes right.

But as we all know, as we've seen already in spring training, like, things don't always go right. The division got worse. The vision got worse, but I still think that 103 is, like, like top for them. So like I'm banking on some things going wrong and them having a few middling months.

I think it's a fair call. And I think they win in the upper nines. I think 97 to 98, that's like where I would put them. That's where it's a good bet because they could, the Yankees could win 98 games and achieve their regular season goal. They could still win the east. There's a lot less bad teams around baseball this year. So when you say that betting wise, I see it.

It's just a huge number. It's a huge number. I think the counter would be centered around Garrett Cole because the Yankees just haven't had anything close to that. So, you know, if he can refresh the bullpen and you start talking yourself into little things, maybe they could stretch that out a little bit. I don't think it's terrible. Okay, well, I'm going with it.

I think that's a really good ball. Go with it, girl. Like I said, I put him at 98 wins this year. And I do have him winning the ALE East. Yeah, they don't need to win that many to win the, like, you know. They win the ALEs. And it'll be interesting to see, like, you know, one thing that I could see happening is they could clinch that ALEA's pretty early. Start resting guys.

Chill. I think they will. Clinch and chill. It's going to be the new T-shirts. Well, the only thing is I think they can continue to push for that first overall spot. Okay. Well, I was going to go back around to your over, but this segue is really well into my over-pick. Go ahead.

It's the race. What do you guys think the raise over under is that? 98. No, not even close. 96. I bet it's low 90s or upper 80s. 90.5. That'd take the over on that.

They won 97 games last year. There are so many young guys on that team. Snell had a bad year last year. About to hear from Meadows and Yarborough on this episode. If Glasno can stay healthy. I mean, they have so much pitching. Is that a new pitcher, Glassnow? Glass No.

Is that you say it? Yeah. Oh, you say it? Glass now? That's how we thought it was. I think it's Glassnow, because we did this for a while last year. It's around there. I was trying to.

I know. Oh, my God. Don't break the RV. Jeez. Get hot about it. Just so much young talent on that team. They've got line of pieces they plug in. They have more young guys coming up.

They lost Tommy fan, but they got dudes who can play out there and replace him. Susugo's my guy. He is your guy. This is your first time seeing Soundboard. I mean, he's a scary guy. Is that him telling you to shut up? He's a scary guy. No, he just tells me to shut up when he wants to show.

But I think the Rays, the Red Sox were supposed to be good last year. They faded. Their intentions are much lesser this year. Sure, the Js are a little better, but the Rays are really one well-run team. I mean, at 95. I think it's a good pick. Both times I've hit the soundboard. I'm trying to find the clap button, but I'm going to swing and a miss.

I wasn't sure what happened there. So I segue. that because you were talking about the Yankees in the East and the Ray's also play there. Yeah. Do you want to hear my over? If it segways well, because either of you could. I have a great segue.

You got beat. You got beat. I don't have one. As you said, Ray's 97 last year, 97 wins. Who did they face in the wildcard game? The Oakland A's. I was thinking about it. Over.

What is it? It's less than that. I had it up. Let me get it real quick. They're at 89 and a half. Okay. I like it. I started looking at the roster because I'm like, that kind of seems a little fishy.

Sure. And a half, this team just won 98 games last year. Okay? And they're returning pretty much everyone. Then I went and I started going through their starting rotation. I don't know a lot of those guys. I know them. But they're not household names, not guys you would say this is going to lead this team to a 90 plus win season.

Fires, Mania, Montes, Luzardo. Brett. But then I started thinking about it. Then I started thinking about when have the A's ever had the household names, besides when they have the Zitos and the molders and all that stuff, they find ways to get maximum value out of their players. They just know how to do it. They're very similar to the race and how they do that.

So when you look around, we talked about how great their infield is. You said sneaky best infield in the league. I don't think it's sneaky. I mean, I think Marcus Simming was almost the MVP last year. Which is crazy. You got Simeon, you got Barreto, and you got Matt Olson. Defense is great there. All that extra room.

Barely need to pitch. Yeah, I mean, you have the outfield that can go get it. They can hit the ball, they get the long ball, and if they can get these guys to eat up some innings and have some decent years, I guess the words overachieve. I have a point in time. Division got a lot better. Angels and Rangers both are in.

I'm so out on the Rangers, you know that. But another team might be. it got worse in that division. The Mariners got worse and the Astros lost to Garrett Cole. Astros might be in a, not a tough spot this year, but they lost Garrett Cole. And I'm telling you, getting booed at every stadium they go to, they're going to have a miserable year this year. They're not going to be the Astros regular season we've seen the past couple years.

They've been reading Pablo Nerudo poems and crying, I heard. Do you know, Matt Olson? He's hot. Good guy. You know, it's funny. When I went there for spring training, I was hitting BP. with him and Chapman and like I like the guys or younger guys and I told him I said hey man

we're hit we're just on the field I said you have you got so much more pop in you like here like do this and he kind of like looked at me like you know okay like whatever had little did I know he doesn't need to do anything I said because he hits fucking Mamo home runs he was just fine the way he was so I'm this guy coming and telling him like hey like this will give you more poppies like I'm gonna hit like 40 in the big leagues every year

What the fuck have you done? Hey, thanks for the helpers, but I'm actually pretty good. But he's so simple. Like, you see a swing. Yeah, he's not generating power somehow, but not like a typical way. Like, you see guys. Like, we saw Josh Donaldson with the big leg kick and that big coil. And then you see him.

And it's just like, dude, he just is still there. Boom. 36 homers in 127 game last year for Olson. He's a stud. So I like, so when I talk about like Yankees, I think their best case is that, like, I think the best case for the for the A's is like a 96 again so we're getting plus they've got some serious pitching prospects coming up too with puck and Luzardo that the

dude's name like I said they just find ways to to get it done are you in on the angels at all it's hard to be okay you know I know they got better like Rendon obviously makes them a better right team and you're going to have show hey for more of the season this year hopefully but they just, man, it's like one of the, I can't, my, my mind can't imagine them. I'm in the same boat, good. But their lineups is scary. On paper. Their lineups.

You know, it's like sneaky, like, is, like, forgotten about us up then. Yeah. What a stud. He's a stud player. It's going to be interesting year for him. He was hurt. He's getting a little older. He's hitting, like, 34.

But, I mean, if he's not, he's younger than that. I think he's around there. I think he's, like, 31. That'd be crazy. I mean, he's probably one or 32. He's not, he's not older than me. I know that for. sure let's see jake's going to look at usston upton is 32 and 185 August 25th okay so he's

turning 33 this year so yeah you know I think that's fair I think you guys split that age battle okay I thought he was younger than me speaking of speaking of um that I'm going to transition us into my over what's your over Jim the Dodgers okay it's 101 games okay I don't care they got moogie bets. I got David Price who's going to give him 30 quality starts, basically. 30 quality? 30 starts, 20 quality. Take the under on that.

Well, whatever. He's a good guy to have a rotation. I like David. Bueller, Kershaw, still do it. Their division sucks. It's a bunch of teams that are like, no one's going to give them a run for their money in their division. And they got 19 games against.

What's best case scenario for them? What's their win total? Everything goes right. Like 1007, 108 games? I was thinking more than that. Like, if they just play good. What's the record? What do the Mariners win that one year?

16? 16, I think, yeah. Pollock Bellinger, Betts. Muncie, Lux, Seeger, Turner. Will Smith's going to be on the dish. Bueller, Kershaw Price, Urius, Wood. They have a bunch of other, like, pitchers. Doesn't may.

Yeah, they can float. They got Gratterol in the bullpen and Trin'in' in the bullpen now. Kenley, if he can figure himself out. That's kind of always been their thing. That's been their Achilles heel. You've seen that from a few teams over the years where they put this line up together. Even the starting pigeon is good, but the bullpen has to show up. But I can see them.

I can see a top line for them at like 110. I think they can get there. I think they want to. And I think more importantly, what's their bottom line? Because none of us see a way they lose the division. All right, hold on. So there's 19 games, or 18 or 19 against? 19.

19 times four is 76. The worst they could ever possibly do is, like, go 8 and 8 against each team. Like, I don't think it's possible that they're... So, in division? Yeah, in division record. There's 76 games against the four teams. I don't... With the Giants, giving it a 50-50 as the worst case is even...

That's not even the worst case. So that'll balance out, you know, the Diamondbacks, whose worst case may actually be whatever. And so if you lose, this is not a math pod. Yeah, this is a slippery game. That's 38 games that they would lose right there in division. And that's the worst case. Then they got all the rest of the games and they were going to win.

They're going to win a lot of games. I'm in for the Dodgers over. I think it's a good pick. It's scary because it's still a lot. Hunter's still a lot. Still a lot of games. But if there's going to be one team that's going to win 100 games. And plus, it's going to be the Dodgers.

Good. Good pick, kid. I was close staying in that division. I was close to taking the over with the Padres for this. because it's extremely low. What is it? It is a low number. I wouldn't.

You think they're going to finish under 500? Like, they should be good. I just wouldn't take that bad. Tartis, Machado, do their rotation. I don't know. Fam, they got fam. Do their rotation. Who's the guy?

The cowboy hat. Yeah. They have the, dude. Paddock? Paddock. Yeah, Paddock is good, but it's going to be a second full season. Even if he's a stud, like who else do they have? All I've ever heard

Patechlamett, Richards, Davies, Leches, Lechese, all you're all young dudes. They're all coming up. And that's why they went and got Hosmer. That's why they went and got Machado because they have these young guys and they're like, this is going to be it. So if one or two of those guys makes the leap and gets there and does well?

I thought you said Juan. I thought you were about to say like if Juan and then I was waiting for a last name. One or two. Like Lagaris, like Juan Lagars. Yeah. So, I mean, I think that would, That would have been my second. I see what you're saying.

Because that's... Just for them to finish right above 500, I don't think that's far-fetched. If two young guys click... We talked about all the divisions, I have just as much confidence of them not doing that, then... So it's a 50-50.

I just wouldn't touch that. It's a good line by Vegas. So I went over with the A's. I went under with the Yanks. You? Over with the Rays, under with the Nats. Under with the Tigers, over with the Dodgers.

You went with, like, the obvious ones. like worst team best team but it's hard to do that but the Dodgers is still like I don't think I don't think I'm riding chalk taking me over there do we want to do the other proppers real quick or should we save those for a rainy day

I think we I think we save those and we throw it to our conversation with Austin Meadows or maybe we'll do a little bit after the conversation with Austin Meadows and Ryan I'll throw my real quick okay I also know plus 4,500 to lead the league in homers How many to hit last year?

Twin stuff. What would be? 34 and 1006 games. We just saw him. He's big. I mean, I'm not saying he's going to lead the league in homers, but could he? At plus 4,500, I'd...

You couldn't. You wouldn't be surprised. That's a sprinkle. You wouldn't be surprised. Speaking of. Man. Yeah? Say, baby.

Looking at the Cy Young stuff. Let your heart talk. We want to keep going. Sounds like we are here. We just want to keep going. Should we propping? Quick. The Sy Young prop bet.

Garrett Cole's the leader, obviously. Sale second. I don't like you. I do not like Garrett Cole as a Cy Young winner this year. Why? Because he's heavy favor. He sure won it last year. Klobers up there.

I don't like a lot of these guys. Cluber's up there. That's an interesting one. I short that one. Dude, Clevenger, he got hurt. Sevy, he's hurt. Sale was hurt last year. Verlanders old.

That's why I just did that. Oh, my God. Like, man. I don't hate the Snell bet. I like Snell bet. Dude, I'd go all the way down to Bieber or Gioledo. I feel like I'm just being super biased because I really know these guys. Right.

I feel like that also means I have a good grasp on the situation if you really know something. Perios plus 1,800. God, you love your twins. Oh, I don't know. That was a bad pick. You love your twins. I like Barry. He doesn't like Perry.

The guys, the twins might win 100 games this year. They did last year. You say this because you know him. I say this because it just feels like the Yanx just blow him up. Like, I've never been scared of him coming to Yankee Stadium. He is a legitimate ace. See, you might be right. I am right.

From what I see, I just, I've never combined those two thoughts in my head. Honestly, if you were doing real betting, I think you sprinkle coal because it's there. I sprinkle coal. Just because the other option. Dude, look how far it drops off. Sale was dead last year. I mean, Burlander's getting old. You're getting plus 260 on a sigh.

Right. But that's why you put a little cheese on Glassnow and Snell and then you're making paper. Such East Coast bias. Let's just say this. I would not put anything on this. This is too ridiculous. Yeah, that's so.

You know, don't waste your money on something like that. MVP odds are ridiculous. I think we got to save. Maybe that's a good tease. We're teasing? What are we teasing? I don't. Just more betting.

Not a teaser guy. Not a teaser? No. Okay. There's a nice gentleman's location. called teasers and bum fuck Oklahoma next time you're there. And here to our interview with Ryan Yarborough and Austin Meadows. 5.8 ERA Barrios versus the Yankees.

That's why those are the games I see. So that's why I just never. So then he had like a three, whatever it was, the low three. So if he just regresses to the mean a little bit, you has no, that's a word we use a lot here. Oh, I'm all over it. MathPod. Meds.

Meds. And Yarbrough sat down with us. And they were a ton of. of fun, so enjoy this interview with them. We are joined by Ray Studs, Austin Meadows, Ryan Yarborough. Boys, how you doing? We're excited, man. First day, camp here at home, so we're excited.

First game, get out of the way. You were on the bump. How are you feeling? Clean. You know, everything felt good, so the first outing in the year, it's like you can really ask for, but. You got a, we'll do some baseball. We're going to hop around silly baseball.

That's fine. You guys are already getting our vibes with the Roosevelt shirt and everything. Love it. that a gnarly arm slot, dude. That's like... Just the funk, right? Yeah. When did that happen?

Like, was that little league and it just kept going? I don't know. If you asked me, I thought that was normal. Like, and then everyone kind of comes up to you, it's like, dude, like... No, it's not... What is? Everyone comes around and it was like, hey, dude, like, that's some interesting arm slot. I'm like, oh, I thought I was, like, throwing up top or something.

And it's like, no, dude, that's some funk. And I'm like, okay, well, it feels like it's coming from, like, right here. That's, like, the weirdest part about it. So just born with that arm slot. That's what felt natural from the jump. That's cool. Have you seen that live? Have you guys done live BVP this year?

I've never faced you. Really? No, I haven't. Like in AAA before you got traded over. Yeah. That's fine with me, though. Yeah, you're good with that? I'm good with that.

How are you doing? How are you feeling? I feel good. Springs here, man. Springs here. You got to, I mean, last year, you kind of went nuts, dude. You were awesome. When we, our roots are Yankee fans.

Yeah. And so, like, you know, we, We saw the stats climbing up and we're like, okay. Yeah. Let's see it. And then we saw it. You're like, okay, this dude's a problem. Now we have someone to be scared of.

It was bullshit. How'd that feel? Like, when you come up and do it, you've got two years now. I was in the stats. When you come up and do it, are you like, yes? Like, after the season. Right. Because in the season, I'm sure you're pretty locked in.

Yeah, or when did you have the moment where you were like, okay. I just raked as an MLB player. Right. Well, I knew I, like when I became, when I was an All-Star last year, I kind of knew that I, like, I fit in, you know? Yeah. I kind of belong here and whatnot, but sitting around, you know, at home and the off-season hanging out, kind of, that's when it kind of hits you. Like, you know, it was a great year. When you come into spring training this year, I'm in a lot different spot than I was coming into spring training last year,

trying to basically try to make the squad last year and trying to, you know, prove myself and now being able to do that this past season, definitely in a different spot this year. Yeah. Damn. Is it nice having spring training in your home state? I mean, you guys don't have to travel at all, like everyone else. But you don't get Tampa, though. That's kind of...

Would you want Tampa? Would you want it to be the same exact area? I wouldn't mind that at all. No, it wouldn't be bad at all. I mean, they used to have spring training there in St. Pete, and then they moved down here, so they did it for there for a while. So I don't know. I guess it made too much sense or something.

But we like it down here, obviously. And everyone kind of commutes it here. But I live in Tampa in the off season, so, like, being there year-round would be. super easy. Yeah, for sure. Were you guys fast friends on the team? Like, we're getting into this baseball world.

We were kind of outside. He's doing the breakdown, silly stuff. We kind of, Trevor Plouf kind of brought us in a little. We've heard the term taster. We're on that now. I'm a big I'm a big taster. I'm a huge taster. Can it be an endearing term?

Like, can you be something, like, someone's kind of a taste or is it like, that's bad? You got it. I mean, I love the honesty, though, personally. It's like, okay, like, I'm all about it. All about it, man. I appreciate that. Like, someone's like, no, no, no, I'm not.

And then they just start doing it's like, okay, like, take it easy. But, like, no, like, straight from the get-go. You guys are flying out. Are you guys flight buddies? Who's your flight buddies? Oh, sorry. Oh, no. Oh, wow.

Oh, damn. Did he go far scump on you? Turn the camera off. I don't know who you sit next to. You don't play cards with me, do you? No, I don't play cards. I'm sleeping on the plane. We play his game.

Pesoy on the plane, and I sit with Blake, and we just go at it the entire trip. Yeah. Yeah, we'll play cars and the flights go quicker. I'm not a good flyer, so it gets my mind off of it. Have Blake in that prospect, Matt? Slap-dick prospect. I can't say that, right?

No. On our end, you can say whatever you want. No, I don't think he, because he's not here in camp, so. I haven't met him yet, no. I think Mike has a shout to him. Yeah, I think they, from what I already did, but I don't think anybody's kind of like, no one. It wasn't that big a deal anymore.

No. That was tough. It was just like such a tough start. Such a real moment. Like, he's in the middle of something, like, obviously him and fan were close. And obviously, we all love telling me she's all part of the business. But just as a real moment as you can get us like, what the heck? It's just kind of classic.

Mouthful of ice. Yeah. And you guys were both traded, right? Yes. How was it? Did you guys have like? Was that your welcome to the business moment, or was it kind of like, all right, I'm just going to go play ball? Yeah, I mean, when I got traded, I found out on the ticker on the bottom of the TV.

Really? Yeah. How does that happen? Everyone says that. I don't know. I don't know how it happened. But I was working out. Meadows and Glass now.

Okay. And then you just go over your phone or what? Yeah, you just go to your phone and then you're like, is this real? What's going on? And then they pull you out of the locker room and they get me and Tyler, put them in our own, put them in the training room where we can talk to them. Nobody, and then all of a sudden, yeah, you're traded. See you. Damn.

Oh, geez. It wasn't too good. Yeah. Like, hey, did you see the ticker today? It's true. You need to leave. No, it's a similar thing. I was at a, it was before spring training, we had, like, a pitchers camp in, like, early

January when I was with the Mariners, and we just get pulled aside off a field, like, hey, like, don't warm up with everyone, and everyone's just staring at you. It's like, what's going on? I'm like, oh, like, you might be traded right here now. It's like, they're working it out right now, and then, like, 20 minutes later, like, okay, yeah, here's the phone, like, it's our GM, and it's like, hey, man, yeah, we just traded you, it's all part of it, and, yeah, it's like, when I was selling the Myers, it's like, oh, crap, like, you're just out there playing baseball with all your buddies and guys you get drafted with,

and then I said, okay, it's a business, and these things kind of things happen, so it's definitely eye-opening. There's a room of guys just taking, like, a place card of your name, just moving around. That's, like, weird to think that you're just playing ball, and there's, like, a group of guys out there. We saw some of the boards at the Braves thing. It was pretty cool. Yeah, we walked down the wrong room.

Yeah. Yeah, well, we accidentally found ourselves in their, like, their, like, analytics department. We were like, oh, my God. Okay. The 10-person dev charted every position, and we're like, Oh, gosh. I don't think we're supposed to be in here.

Snap a couple picks and leave. I think we've got to ask them our fun spring training question, and that'll bring us into the weird a little bit. All right. It's easy. I think this is a fun one. It's easy. Nine of you versus nine of him in a game who wins.

You're fielding, you're pitching. Gosh. It's tough. That's all. I mean, he's a position player. So he gets, like, nine at bat. or like eight at bats, nine at bats. Lefty on lefty is kind of tight.

Yeah, I can appreciate that. Can you pitch at all? Whoa. I don't know. I'd be curious. I've been, I've been curious. Do you size up every position player? You're like, nah.

You have to. That guy can't. Hey, come on, we can't hit. So, like, we've got to be a little protective about this stuff. But, I mean, like, okay, like, you ask every single position player. Okay, you get off the mound. What are you throwing? How hard are you throwing off the mound?

88 to 92. Realistically? Or are you like just like, or are you just like saying that right now? No, I'm serious. Okay, all right. That's all I'm asking. Healthy arm, yeah, I'm good to go.

It's okay. You mix another stuff then? What's your pitch mix? Change up. Okay. Fastball change up. Okay. I don't have to have a cutter too, right?

This right here. You think you'll be able to catch that as well? Yeah, you can't. It's tough. Every one's a lefty catcher, man. Yeah, true. No. I'm ready for it.

What is the, what is the disadvantage? Like, it's something about throwing a one specific base, right? I mean, guys don't run as much anymore anyway. But what are you saying? The lefty catchers. Lefty catchers.

I've seen a guy that basically caught it left-handed and they would like take his glove off and throw it. Did he only have one hand? Like Jim Abbott? Yeah. It's a big detail. He wasn't just waving with the other one. I didn't want to say it.

Okay. It was cool. seen that video too. Yeah. But I think it's because there's more righty batters, so to throw the runner out at third and stuff. I think that's what it is, because I flip at the second,

it shouldn't really matter. It's crazy, like, the weird rules about that. Like, someone asked me once, like, why are there no lefty's second baseman? It's like, yeah, a lot of lefty's got a hard time being an infielder. I mean, that makes sense, though.

I mean, turning a double player, right? Yeah. Yeah, that'd be a nightmare. That'd be fun to watch. But catchers, like, guys don't steal anymore. Like, do you get swipes last year? I got some swipes. You run a little bit?

Yeah, I got the red light, though, a lot. Cash over the corner. They just hit home runs. Just worried about home runs. That's it. That's easy. Is it a sneaky red light, or is it just like a no? It's like a no. Yeah, hard now.

That's tough. That's funny. What, um, off the field, what are you guys in? We got Netflix stuff. Any readers? Like, what's going on? Um, I like to fish a ton. Okay.

A ton of ton. Um, but that's about it. My wife's here. We have our dog. I like to go out to eat a lot. Cooper? Who? Is your dog's name Cooper?

No. That's my dog's name. We were given notes. I read them. I read them through once, but we didn't have time to study. Making them have to think there for a second. Crap. Is that my dog's name?

Fishing dog's name? Fishing dog food. I could get into that. That's my thing. That's a full day right there. You have the wife in there. Yeah. Baseball.

It's like Florida. It's just spring training life. Right. It's your everyday all life. That's cool. It's not bad. Boats and homers? I have a shirt.

Yeah, boats and homers. Okay. It's a good shirt. I did a photo shoot and on the boat. I went out in the boat in Tampa Bay and I went in full jersey. And I got in the water and everything, had the pole and everything. Yes. And then they made a shirt out of it with me standing on the boat and boats and homers.

They should make a fishing rod. That's a baseball bat. And then you BP the, to what's it called? To cast a line. You throw a little bob and just fucking in a home run. That's great. Then you catch a fish. Yeah.

This is shark tank now. What else you guys? There goes my great idea. I mean, shoot. Oh, man. No, no. The note said that Ryan likes watching documentaries. Documentaries.

Okay. A little bit, a little bit here and there. Like, we're the exact opposite. He'll, like, go out, didn't, like, on an off day. Like, I just want to, like, relax and do nothing. Yeah. No, not me. Like, we're, like, my wife's here, too, and we'll just, like, just hang out of the house.

We'll go to get some coffee, coffee shops, stuff like that. But I just want to, like, lay on my couch and, like, and like relax with my dog and do nothing really. Cooper. Cooper. Yeah, Cooper. As we covered. Did we get your dog's name?

Maley. We got to pump. Maley? Yeah. Okay. We got to. Not bad. We'll give both dogs love.

Yeah, there you go. Yeah. The dog show. You guys dog people? That's the real question now. Jake's a dog guy. I'm a giant dog person. He's got a giant dog.

His dog's the size of him. Oh, wow. And that's not a joke. When it's on its hindlings, it's taller than you're, he, it. It. It. Not a dog guy. Obviously.

He's a beautiful creature. Oh. He doesn't shed. He's giant. Yeah. Hypoallergenic. Huge. Yeah, we get some hate because it's like adopt.

Don't shop. And I get that. Girlfriend is allergic to the hair or whatever. So like I can kind of play that card. But love it. Adopt, don't shop. That's like a saying? Yeah.

Cool. I know. I've never heard of that. Talking dogs, man. Yeah. I had a dog. He was named after Don Zimmer. He lived a long good life.

And that's the dog I like. How do the Tampa fans? I mean, are you guys below? I mean, again, Yankee Roots, you know, I don't want to say Tampa. It gets viewed differently because you're at the drop. You know, the fans kind of didn't roll through. The wild card game, was it this year? Or no, this year was in Oakland, right? It was in Oakland this year. And then we had the two games and the D.S. at home. And those are incredible. But they showed out. That was awesome. Unbelievable. Yes, it needs to be like that more. That'd be unbelievable. Yeah. And the little towels like swinging and going crazy. The yellow towels? I thought it was a little distracting.

Wow. Maybe they should do that when we're hitting. Maybe like when they're hitting. We can spread that. We'll let them know. A little awareness. We'll get white towels out there so they can't see a thing. Has the catwalk got you yet?

Has it hurt you? Has it helped you yet? Catwalk speakers? Both of you, yeah. You've definitely whacked it a couple times, right? Yeah, BP and stuff. But nothing up top when you're an outfit or, oh, man. When that ball hits the catwalk and you have to catch it, no chance.

So it can be for both sides. It's a disadvantage sometimes for both sides. I don't think you were there yet, but the Yankees, Clint Frazier, one of you guys played with you. I was, I think we were at home, yeah. Someone like hit off the speaker. It would have been a go-ahead home run in the ninth inning instead, hit the speaker. I think Hedge of Ria. Hesheria just casually caught it.

Clint got sent down the next day. I grew up with him. Did you guys know that? No. I did. Yeah, I did because of notes. Notes. Little League.

I didn't. He didn't. He didn't read the notes. Georgia? Yeah. Okay. Yeah. What's your, I mean, like Little League?

Little League were you guys playing? Yeah. Okay. That's awesome. Yeah, we know each other at a very young age. That's cool. I can't imagine that, dude. Yeah.

Have you had that? Why, we've been talking sports since we were 14 and now with that. Arguing over chicken sandwiches at lunch and now. We're here. But that's got to be nuts, man, because I feel. Actually, now that I'm going back, I'm hearing my little league. coach has given us speeches and it's like you might not make it. I feel like you guys didn't get the same speech as I was getting as a youngster, but

all right. And we got emotional. We got emotional. I have a tough question for you and we may have to answer it for you. Okay. You're in eighth inning, two outs. Oh, no. Get pulled.

Yeah. Well, ninth inning, but. Yeah, well, eight and two thirds is where my brain was working into there. Baltimore. No, that was when I blew the perfect game, but no. Well, yeah, just the shift. I wouldn't say blue it. Well, yeah, I wouldn't say blue.

That's a tough word. That's a different story. Wait, so the shift got you once? That was when Baltimore, when Stanick and I had the perfect game going into, ooh, look at that. How was two bugs hanging out? We've never seen those before? No. Those are.

Stink the love bugs or whatever? Yeah. My girlfriend told me about those and I thought she was messing with me. Terrible. What I was just about to die? They were made in, like, a lab. Yes, they were made at University of Florida. To, like, control the mosquito population.

What? And then they're just, like, spread, like, wildfire. And now they're everywhere. I thought my girl was messing with me. And she told me that story. And she's like, no, that's real. Science bug just landed on me? Science.

You just got science bugs. That's awesome. Speaking of science bug. Anyway, that had to suck. Yeah, no, it's, no one's ever going to be, like, happy about that. Obviously, talking to Cash after it, like, he told me why it happened, and we ended up winning the game, so. What did he tell you?

It was just, it was more about. matchup base. Where you were like, Buck Cash. I've been doing it for a while. It was Seattle. It was Sanana, right? It was two outs, and it was

DeNigo Santana, and then we brought in Pagan, and then they pinch hit it, I think it was Narvaez for him. Either way, it was like three pitches. He ground it out. He ground it out the second. And he was like, all right. I could have done that. In fact, I was doing that. Yeah, it was going pretty well.

So, and then, obviously, it was pretty well. Yeah. Is it hard to buy in, or is it easy to buy into the opener and the bulk guys. Because you went through the whole thing and then kind of they were like, all right, well, he's a starter. Yeah, I think it was, at first it was, I think it was more of we were, had a couple

of young guys and just about kind of getting our feet wet and kind of easing our way into it. And then obviously the first, when we started doing it, we had a lot of success. But then, like you said, last year, we had some injuries where I was able to kind of step up a little bit and finally get a chance to start. And obviously, kind of the rest is history. and hopefully so I'm here to kind of compete and prove them I can continue to do that and we'll see what happens.

Do you ever tell Kerrmeyer like, get out of here, dude? I got it. I'm under the ball. I got it. Well, he's a really good outfielder. He's got range. He's got range. He tracked one down today.

Yeah. How was I looked like it was in the gap. Yeah, I can always hear his footsteps. He's coming in hot. If he calls me off, even if it's a ball and right, I'm just like, okay. You're good? You're good. That's a good attitude.

Whatever, man. You got gold gloves, whatever. Just take it. I'll take the play off. No. He does catch a lot of balls that we don't think he'll catch. I got one more question. One more.

And then I try the game. Yeah, we don't try the games. Personal one. That game last year with the Red Sox with like the 40-minute delay because the umps and Cora were confused. That was the worst thing I've ever sat through. How did it feel to be like on the field? Was it just awful?

Were we through? Was I? I don't know who was throwing that day? What was the delay about? Oh, it was Cora was being a dummy. It was something about the lineup change. Cora and Angel Hernandez. Oh, that was the lineup thing.

Yeah, Cora and Angel Hernandez were both just being dumb. I had to do a breakdown because people were like, explain this to me. And I was like, oh, it took me two hours. So I hate that game. I can't even imagine sitting there and being like, are you kidding me? I just wonder what's like going to their minds and like,

okay, what is he arguing first off and then like trying to thought process it? Was that when like we were doing one of those where we had like the Caleric came into pitch and then went to first base or something, they tried to come back, and then it just became, I don't know what just happened.

Everyone was like, whoa, whoa, whoa. And then we're like, they're trying to explain, and they're going back and forth. We're like, just trying to play some baseball here. Yeah. Yeah, those things are kind of good.

Delays, man. We don't need any more of that stuff. Would you want to go play first for like one out? If that was called on, we'd be like, oh, yeah, or would you be scared shitless? Both a little bit? All right.

That's fair. Honestly, right? I think that's the correct answer. I would just stand there. That's all you have to do. That's what everyone says until the ball's hit any, right? Just don't even go for it. Oh, yeah, that's what...

Yeah, the other pitcher comes out to me after. He's like, dude, why don't you get that? It's like, I don't know. The Yankees did it with Brian Mitchell, and the first pitch was a foul ball, like, right to him, like, like, barely up, and it... Oh, man. And I rolled his Chapman was on the mound.

He don't want to make mad, and he... The love bug? There it is, man. I just killed science. It's on you. Don't get it to me. What about the three-batter roll? No, that's going to do some.

I guess he won't be able to do it unless you want them to go more than three batters. Yeah, that's true. That is interesting. They also, the three batter rule, like, you can still end the inning, so it's barely. Yeah. Right, right. Yeah, I don't think it'll be there as much. All right.

Well, we're going to play a card game now if that's cool with you guys. Unless you guys have any final questions for us. Okay. Well, okay. Sounds like you have like a punch. I had someone for him, so it's like, okay, you're very, like. There we go. You know why we're so intent right now?

Why? No one has asked questions yet or what? No, we'll semi throw him under the bus. No, it's not under the bus. Higishioca, the Yankee's catcher. Yeah, we had him on and he was cool, but he's like, he's pretty reserved dude. Right. Yeah.

And so we just had an apt to questions for us. And he's having a good time, but, you know, kind of quiet. And then at the end, we're like, hey, you got some questions for us. And he goes, no, I'm kind of not a small talk guy. And we're like, it was a podcast. Is it kind of what we're doing? Yeah. So we're excited. No, okay.

Obviously, you do your Gruden impressions and everything. Have you actually met him yet? Or has he even reached out to you or, like, kind of giving you some tips about how your impressions or anything? I haven't gone hardcore on that. Okay. Have you seen, like, the fake Gruden online, Fowl Gruden or something? It's Fowl. It's Fowl.

What happened? Fowkes. I don't know if I've seen it. He does these grudon impressions that are, like, really good. It's like, on Monday night, right? It's nice. I got a thole you up, man. You got a little bit of the Chucky if you got the eyebrow going there?

Who? Dole you, what? Man, Austin Meadows. Watching that guy hit the ball, if I had nine Austin Meadows all over the field, man, that's what I'm talking about. Step on wood if you're with me. So, but notice, impressions, I mean, they have a short light.

Like, you can't hammer it to death. Yeah. But if I met Groot and I'd do it, but it's honestly Calliendo's impression. I can do a lot of Calliando's impressions, but I can't do impressions on my own, which is, like, really pathetic. Or it's maybe.

He's got a real good shaggy. From like Scooby-Doo? I don't know if I could do that into the mic. Sure, can't I? I'll lower you a little. E-he-he-he-he. Oh, man. The wife's right on that one.

That's his talent. It's just, it's pathetic. I don't know. Oh, come on. I just had a weird childhood. I was either, I was humor or I was sports, and like, that's it. Like people talk about, like, the Disney movies and stuff. Like, he was, he was kind of locked into that.

Like, I missed all of it. Like, I got nothing. Come on. You never saw, not, like, even, like, when Disney Plus, you never wanted to go back and watch, like, the Disney Channel original movies. Come on. He didn't watch. Like, you know how normal kids go.

Normal kids go, like, Nickelodeon. They go, like, Nickelodeon, then Disney Channel, then MTV, and that's, like, the progression. Right. He skipped all of that. At five-year-old, he was just watching sports and sports center. Yeah. So that's how his brain works.

Like sports or humor, I got you. Anything else, I'm gone. I'm useless. He doesn't have spot. This is the weirdest thing about you. He doesn't have Spotify or iTunes or anything on any of his laptops or his phone. He doesn't listen to YouTube? Yes.

That's the only way he consumes music. He watches YouTube videos. He's really bad with technology. Don't you have a podcast? No, I have one pet peeve. I have a couple of them. If I try to give a business money, and they can't accept it for whatever reason.

Like, that gets me. That brings out the old guy. So he tried to get Spotify. They declined his car. And now he's got to be fucking Spotify forever. It was probably the one day that their site wasn't working or whatever. I mean, it had to be user error. You're bad at technology.

No, I just think they were having a bad day. And I tried three times. It didn't happen. And I'm out. It's done for life now, right? They don't get this. They don't get this business. So thank you for the question.

You're good, man. I appreciate it. Austin, if you want it, if not. If I want, what? If you got a question. Come on, what do you got, man? I want to see this card. Yeah, he's in.

All right. We're going to take a quick break. If you're listening on the podcast, go to YouTube now. That's business. That's business. All right, thanks. And you heard at the end of that, we did do a YouTube video with those guys. It's not edited or up yet, but it will be up.

It was a ton of fun. They were great. Call them meds. That's something he wanted to. Meds. We're pushing that. Yeah, he put on the back of his jersey, Treb didn't hear this interview. you had M-E-A-D-S, but he pronounces it meds,

but the announcer called him Meads. I can see that. I can do that too. Adds up, that's how I would say it. Yeah. So call them Meds. They were awesome. Hope you enjoyed it.

We will be back next time. Jake, tell them something as I pull up the outro music. Thanks to their wives who hung out while we were interviewing them. They were having a blast too. And, yeah, big raise episode for me. Huge raise. And you hate the nationals, which I think is just mean. Yankees.

They're going to lose more games. It's actually genius because they won it all last year, so they don't give a shit what I'm going to say. Why did you do this?