Talkin' Baseball (MLB Podcast) - Best Trade Targets in MLB this Offseason | 751

Episode Date: November 22, 2023

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Hello and welcome to talking baseball. We've got some new Cardinals. The birds on the bats got a back of the rotation. And we're going to discuss all the players that may be traded this winter. So let's get into it. Hello and welcome to talking baseball. Thank you very much for joining us today. If you're watching on YouTube, we would be delighted if you hit like and subscribe and help us out in that way.

The show is brought to you by Seatgeek. my name is Jimmy. His name is Jake and BBD is producing. Trevor Plough, not here today under the weather, under a giant cloud of sickness. Jake, how do you do? James Davis. I hope Trev's feeling better. I think he's got a case of the Irish flu. I'm doing well. City's a mess. Thanksgiving mode, full disaster. Necks. Turkey necks, but people's next. are just looking up, like, the street, to walk around the streets, you think it's going to be a fist fight. It's, it's tough. But that's what Thanksgiving's all about.

So, and where, hey, the stove is going. That's the good news. Like, we're probably going to get some sick Thanksgiving updates. We got a couple vet pitchers come off the board, big reliever contract handed out. And I'm... Did I miss that? Rinaldo.

Rinaldo, did you miss that? not Cristiano. Rinaldo Lopez Braves, three years, 30 million. That happened last night? I did miss that. Monday. A few days ago. Damn.

Right after me did the one of the episode. Or I saw it and didn't register it. Second biggest contract given out. Nola Ronaldo Lopez. So we're in the thick of it. Jimbo. What's going on over there? What to go, Ronaldo?

Yeah, day before Thanksgiving, we have this is a company holiday. So I'm working from home today. And I did enjoy walking past the Macy's Day, like parade route last night. Last year I missed that when I around this time, I guess. They're setting it up. I was like, damn, this is like a scene. I get to see it now. I would not want to see it today or tomorrow.

Yeah. So I was excited about that. I'm good. I'm excited that it's picking up. even the Cardinals president Mo. What's his name? It's Mozaleic. How do you say?

Mosaic. Mosealak? Yeah, a couple of extra letters. I liked his quote right here, Jake, not about the guys, but just about the general offseason. He said, I think you're going to start seeing more movement in the market.

So this was definitely reactionary from a timing standpoint. So he wanted to scoop these guys up before things started flying off the shelves and just kind of get their early ones done with the Cardinal. but hopefully he's right. That's a sign of the times. And once Thanksgiving is over, we get that awesome old school off season between Thanksgiving and Christmas,

which is how baseball kind of used to work. And in 2018, with the strike looming and all the kind of like... Well, that was the collusion year. I was going to say, I was trying to say one of those words that fluffs it, like all of the, you know... Yeah.

caught. Alluded collusion. They got caught? I can get tell. The owners got in trouble for collusion, no? There certainly was the grievance. There's grievances filed, but not about off-season collusion. I don't. I don't think they've been found guilty in a court of law. Yeah.

But open secret stuff. Yeah, but, I mean, allegedly. So I'm excited. I think we're going to get a fun Thanksgiving through Christmas. Most free agents usually want to sign by Christmas. And last season, we had a lot of people signing in this period at winter meetings. It was like flying off the shelves.

So I hope that Mo in Missouri is correct. Yeah, put that in your rear view, Jimbo. We're on to a new age. We got a new CBA. You know, last year's winter meetings were crazy. And I think the action is going to get a head start. Nola's already gone. I think by the time we get to winter meetings,

the cabinets could even be dry a little bit by the end. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Well, I think they'll take Thanksgiving and off. Maybe Friday after Thanksgiving, something happens. Oh, you know that's such a GM flex, though, when they can come in and be like, I look, got the deal done on Thanksgiving. Oh, you guys took off?

Yeah. Did you see the passing tweet out there that Otani is going to hold it against teams if it gets leaked he met with them. Yeah, we've talked that on here. But it's official now, like that Passon is reporting it and every player doesn't

want it to get leaked. It's just that Otani has more power than any other free agent before. Yeah, I mean, I think there's times players want information a leak and agents want information a leak. Yeah, I'm not on their side, yes, but basically every player's like if we hear about it and it's not from our

side. We're not going to be happy. He just has so much power that I think is really happening. Yeah. Yeah. It's, it's cool. It's use it. Use it. And I think that's when you were saying last episode, you were like, hey, where are these Otani rumors? We haven't even seen the Yankees dangled out. Otani doesn't do that. And I passed and laid it out in his article a week or two ago that like all of Otani's contract negotiation stuff has been handled silently and quickly. So like, I don't know, We could be an Otani like bomb season. That'd be cool. Passing bomb on Thanksgiving?

First week of December. Boom. I don't think they would even want, MLB wouldn't even want. They're so scared of the NFL. I don't think they should be. I think they should just operate separate of the NFL. That's what I'm saying.

That could be the first MLB dunk in a while, like fourth quarter of the Thanksgiving game. Otani news drops. It's one of those things like the broadcasters have to announce it I don't think they would I think that the NFL is so John Lennon's been shot Otony signed It's so much bigger that I don't even think it would like Do that which was why they're so scared of them

But I think you should just create your own ocean And your own waves but anyway That's why I think they'll steer clear of Thanksgiving Thanksgiving football stinks What are the games this week? I don't care Many I'm gonna be an answer if I want to Lions, Cowboys, and

Cowboys play the commanders. There's three, I think there's three Thanksgiving, or there might be four Thanksgiving and one Black Friday now. I think it's three in Black Friday. So it's half their slate. They just take the space. Smart. They're trying the Black Friday, the game.

All right. The Cardinals get two pitchers. The Cardinals were in need of pitchers, Jake, and they get two of them. They sure do. They get your Lance Lynn. They get Trebs, Kyle Gibson. So we kind of talking baseball as Cardinals. And yeah, the order of operations is always funny here.

Like the Kyle Gibson, well, Lance Lindsigns first. And, you know, the whole thing the Cardinals said right around the trade deadline or when their season fell apart is like, we need strikeout pitchers. Lance is actually punching more tickets than he kind of did a couple years ago. And his Dodgers numbers landed okay, but he was really bad before that. So it's what can they tap into? Eno Saris said, you know, Lance Lynn's a prime sweeper guy.

We joked about that here and on Wake and Jake that you just have to tell him it's a cutter. And so it's okay, you know, that's a move. The Cardinals were going to need to cover a lot of innings. And then they bring in Gibby. So another veteran, you know, he was very solid for the Orioles last year, got a lot of wins, ERA, what was it, high force. And Lances was high five.

So, and both guys are 36. So in a way, not the sexiest signings, although it's two of the sexiest men in baseball. But the Cardinals had a couple things to check off this offseason. One of them is innings, and at least they've like halfway checked that box. Yeah. And Mo had some awesome quotes.

If I was a Cardinals fan, I actually, if you're a Cardinals fan, I really want to know how you feel because I know how I would feel about this before. The team talks. And then the team talks and they say the things I would want them to say. But I don't know how trusting you can be as a Cardinals fan because I don't know. I'm not familiar with the front office. But he had a pretty transparent phone call with the athletic. So you can read more of these quotes.

Katie Wu wrote an article for the athletic. But I did like the one where he said the purpose of signing Gibson and Lynn was three prong. you know so there's three reasons but he said three prong which reminds me of friends and I like that RIP one

they are experienced so they value the experience and it's true these guys are experienced two they eat innings just like you said Jake and everyone knows

and three I think they'll help the clubhouse culture none of those three-pronged reasons are results-driven of their performance, which is interesting. You would want one of the- Innings. Innings, sure, but you can eat innings and not deliver- Right, but you've been on a big innings kick.

I mean, throughout baseball in this off-season. These two signings will be judged by the rest of the Cardinals off-season. That's how I would view it as I'm a Cardinals fan, because he said it's not the first, these are the first steps. We need more. if you go out and get a Blake Snell, Sunny Gray, Yamamoto to be an ace.

And then you have Michaelis, Matt's or some, I don't know if they have a young arm that's going to come up. And that's your like rotation to start the year. You need an ace still the way you've been talking about this. You need to go out and get like a dude dude. So if they do that, I kind of like these.

The order of operations. always makes you very suspect as a fan. The Yankees have pulled this on us a lot. We're like, nah, that's the guy before the guy. And then they never signed someone else. And we're like, what? So he's the guy? And I think that's where I was on Reddit reading the Cardinals suburb a little bit.

And that seems to be where they stand. And some people are happy. Mo came out and said, this was the first step and others are very cynical of it. Yeah, there's a funny tweet going around yesterday from a Cardinals fan, you know, retweeted that as well. That they note's app. They listed out basically all the free agents start. pictures. The categories are tears of joy. Amazing. Great. Good, but not A's. Good three or four. Open to it. No thanks. Not watching a single start. And two of the guys on not watching a single

start were Gibson and Lance Lynn. So that was kind of one of the initial, just kind of cardinal spoof reactions. But yeah, this is, they needed arms. And I love what they. I love what did because they didn't leave themselves with a chance to get as hurt at the altar. Like, I think their new approach is, we need a one. We've been talking about a Cardinals trade with their position players for two years now. So are they going to cash in some chips for Corbyn Burns or Glass now or, you know, Dillon Cese? Or free agency, I think what they've done with this move is they've allowed themselves to play the free agent offseason game that they're not sitting there going oh my god we have to make

the move now like you've got your reserves now see which one falls to you does snells market fall out and he's looking for a home and you can get a si young winner on a cheaper price than you thought or do one of the trade candidates do those do the brewers do the do the Tampa Bay raise do they like what you have to offer more than other teams that now you can play that game and not have your hand for. So I really like that part for the Cardinals, it has to happen. Yeah, I like the part of the culture as well. I think Gibby has been great at this.

I mean, he's kind of left awake of good clubhouses now, leaving Texas. And they go on to in their like he was with them in their retooling years. And they go on to win the World Series. And some Texas fans in our comments section were speaking very highly of him. Or maybe it was on Reddit. They were saying like, hey, let's not forget what Kibby did for us in those years. Just like as a, you know, culture carrier and stability in the clubhouse. And then he goes to the Phillies, not a major part of it, but a winning culture there.

And I don't know if he has a big hand in this or not. But it, and then at Orioles and they develop a winning culture. And he's talked about like that. And he's an 11-year MLB player now. So I don't know. Trevor talks highly of him. But I like that bullet point. I think it's important.

And he can also eat innings. He led the majors and starts last year. So I do like that. But they need to be like the three-four or the three-four, I guess. Yeah. And I think it's open. And I think Cardinals would be the first to say like this, this has egg on its face potential.

I mean, Michaelis is 35, Gibby's 36, Lynn's 36. You know, Matt's actually put together a good stretch of starts at the end of last season. So if you do bring in the one, there's a real hunt for a two. There'd be a great fight for four. I'd be excited for that.

But you need to bring in that dude. And if you're the Cardinals and with what the Central's doing, like if the brewers are cleaning out their closet, Eminem. And the Cubs want to be players, but they still have currently lost belly and Stroman. Like, you know, Otani's no lock. And even if he is, does that make the Cubs a World Series team?

So I think these Cardinals are seeing an opportunity. And if you're a fan of theirs, you have to be excited that the offseason has moved. Yes, they're doing something. but there's that there's that human nature of people to be like okay we're going to do with three starters and you dream big big big big big just like that tweet you read by enos and then two of the three starts get filled and you're like those aren't right part of the big dream so what's okay uh but they got them and it's also should just be noted because it's an oddity that Gibson and lynn have shared

rotation three times now yeah they were in Minnesota together they both went to the Rangers at the same time, right, with Kluber or Gibby might have already been there. I think it was the same time. I think they got there the same year. Either way, overlapped. When the Rangers were first trying to, like, do a big, big-ish splash, and they got the three of them, and that didn't work out. And now they're together again in St. Louis. And the other quote, and then, well, I'll get off this that I liked, and I don't have it in front of me, but I'll just paraphrase it was Moe from the Cardinals, Mozilec, whatever his name, is he said these were easy because it's two guys that we were interested in and they were

interested in us so we pulled the trigger fast there's other guys we're sort of interested in or less interested in and they're less interested in but the mutual interest made this better and both these guys are missouri guys i think gibby and glen are from missouri or i think uh gibson is you know where he went to college there don't want Lance Lynn and calls out, I believe he lives in southern Illinois, which is basically Missouri. I used to go down there for state cheer competitions when my sister was performing. Kyle Gibson, reeks of St. Louis. Trev and I said that instantly two episodes ago. Lance looks like went to high school, Indiana, but obviously came up in the Cardinals.

Gibby University of Missouri. Wow. Yeah. And yeah. So as a Cardinals friend, you can buy into that. Those guys want to be there. They want to be part of the rebuilding process. And they'll give you innings and hopefully results. And you just need to get an A still. Well, the other goof there, it was me and BPD's first reaction is like Michael Waka is the final Infinity Stone here. He's a free agent, former St. Louis Cardinal.

That would be your Cardinals. Yeah, but they need someone that's a five-year deal or like a three- or four-year deal. See, that's where I actually differ a little. And I'll segue it into trades because I'm starting to. see them as one of the trade teams because with these one-year contracts, with the options, like I feel, I don't know. I guess you could go either way with that. I think they, I mean, they definitely have players to trade and get a pitcher in return. Right.

We've been dreaming up a Brennan-Dotman trade. That if they don't really know, like, you know, they just retooled their front office. Do you, do you have a one or two-year plan as you retool it into whatever the next version of the St. Louis Cardinals look like? Or do you want to overpay maybe a Blake Snell and then you have him for six years and then that kind of lingers? I don't know.

The trade should be for a pitcher with years of control. You need someone that's, you still, you don't want to just do this in a year or two again. When there's a decent high end starting pitching. If it's that or compromise your future, I don't know.

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that are rumored to be traded. And there's some players on this list that writers have kind of said like, they will be traded. Some writer just came out and said, you know, GlassNow will be traded this season. And there was another one. Oh, there was someone else I just saw where they were like,

no, this guy's going to be traded. I forget who it was. But Glass Now is an interesting one because he's a very good pitcher when he's healthy and very high-end stuff. Like he can probably even get better than we've ever seen him, just because his arm is so electric. I love glass now.

I love him. Personality and pitching. And yeah, he was kind of doing coming off of Tommy John that he, you know, 120 innings in a year after Tommy John 353 with a lower fifth than that. That's one of your better Tommy John efforts. that he's he's primed for this year.

They gave him the one-year bonus deal, knowing it would set up for this position. And, yeah, him and Burns are kind of the one-year prizes. I think Bieber, too, actually. But, yeah, those are guys with their best season, they could compete for a Cy Young. Yeah, it's true. And you're going to get,

and the price isn't going to be that high because it is just one year and, and, and they're offering. You know what I mean? Like, I think the raise and the guardians have somewhat played their hand too hard in the last couple years where it's like, no, you want out of this contract. You don't want to pay them. So the other teams don't have to go like, hey, is, is glass now available? We'd love to get glass now.

You want this? And the raise can be like all coy and be like, man, no, we might stick around. I was like, no, you're probably going to trade this guy. You don't want to pay that. Own up. Be honest. I'd go get glass now. I don't know what the price is going to be.

Scary trading with the race. Sometimes I feel like he's going to go to the Dodgers, like a smart team that like has similar brain to the race. So the Dodgers and Ray's trade a lot recently. I don't know. But there's the Charlie Morton. Or did Charlie Morton just leave a couple years back and you had that one?

Yeah. glass now, the teams that are going to come up that are looking for ones, there's not going to be an argument against them. I guess if you're one of the teams that really needs innings, he doesn't have a few of those Aaron Nola years in the book. You know, 120, actually sneaky career high for him last year. I know, so you're not going to trade him. Like the Cardinals aren't going to be able to trade him, be like,

he's our steady one ace because the inning just aren't as reliable there. So it is almost like, I feel like Glass Now is going to be a glutton trade for a good team that has, they're in a good spot, they're in a window, and they have some prospects they can dump. And he's like, ah, shit, he's there now too. It's a team that for you have him for one year, he is going to test free agency because if he pitches well this year, he's a guy that's going to be looking at crazy money because that's how talented he is when he is pitching that you're right it's going to be a team that is looking at almost a lock for postseason contention so i think that's why we keep stumbling into the braves although i know their rumors

i don't want to say i've been lesser sunny gray was really good last year but there's been a ton of sunny gray rumors uh the dodgers uh you could you could see that factoring in i wonder jim when You said the word glutton. You know what team jumped to mind? Astros? The Phillies. Oh. You know, they said they're still in for one more pitcher.

Like, it's only one year of glass now, and what prospect capital would you have to give up to those raise? We know they're fine with spending. It's a, that's a, that's a cluttiness move. So, I don't know. I think for what you said, and I think we, we slightly, slightly disagreed with the, Tyler Glassnow can be on any team. He's a stud major league pitcher. So I think I like the gluttonist side to it,

but any front office can talk themselves into this guy. Yeah, it's just you're going to get bit if he does not pitch a lot of innings, 100 innings where like if you are a team that has a lot of pitching already, you'd be like, well, it's not going to hurt us that bad. I have a very interesting one that I haven't fully thought this out. But a team that loves making trades that has an awesome. some rotation. The Mariners.

Like, what if they just added it? That's where I was saying glutton is not even like a, doesn't have to be like a good team, but a good rotation. Be interesting. Yeah. I don't, they don't have that much prospect capital, but their prospect capital probably is high A dudes that they're like,

he's far away anyway. And the rays are like, yeah, guys are actually going to be an all star for us in four years. Give us Cole Young. And the, the Mariners have, at least they're also on the,

sheet like a few like MLB pitchers that have like all their service time left that I'm sure Rays wouldn't be against bringing in sure they like one of them. Yeah. Again, I don't know how likely I'm not like going to bet on that one, but no, that's very, it's interesting. It's interesting. I know the, the Mariners have some starting pitching depth. So I don't, you know, Brian Wu is a trade rumor guy.

Yeah, yeah. But that's what I was saying is like, hey, if you're the Mariners and you get glass now and it's a one year deal. and you don't make the playoffs or the rest of your starting pitching is awesome. Now you got a deadline piece. But don't you think that's a little against their like 54% philosophy or whatever we heard that like... Yeah, yeah. You know, I just thought of a team that has that isn't automatic winning the division,

but has good rotation. They were the first team that came to mind. I mean, the perfect bad fit out west would be the angels, them saying Glassnow is going to have their young year with him. That's their That would be the perfect bad fit. Yeah. And then they trade him at the deadline. He would love being in Toronto for a year.

Just like as a sightseer. Yeah, I think Glassnow would enjoy the city. Not necessarily the baseball, like the city and being, you know, getting to live in Canada. He's a, you know, he's a vagabond in a way. Yeah, I know. I feel like he's already seen Toronto. So that wouldn't excite him, you know, all the trips. But he always got a flat there, you know,

have the money in his pocket. He likes flats. You're going to feel cultured. Okay. Corbin Burns is, Corbin Burns is interesting because I don't know what the brewers want back. And I think they're going to want a ton back. Because, you know, are they guaranteed, like, the Guardians and the Rays to trade a dude at this point in arbitration?

Have they ever hung on? Like, the Guardians and the Rays, it's almost like, hey, they're going to trade him before he just goes to free agency. they have a very strong track character of this. But do the Brewers, is he, is it all foreseen that he's getting traded? I think we're about to find out. I think this is Woodruff forced their hand, which was tough.

And everyone kind of thought this was coming with Milwaukee. I guess I'm trying to think, I mean, Braun, they locked up as their first superstar. Yelly, they locked up as their second superstar. I don't know if it's as much like they're a lock to move guys at this point in their service time, as much as like just all signs point to this being a natural reset point, new new management,

they lose Woodruff straight up. Burns will they leave for nothing in return for them after the season, qualifying off for all that. Like is it they're at a natural reset point if that's what they want to do? Yeah, I just feel like they have so many, you know, Burns, Hauser, Willie Adomas, all free agents at the end of this 2024 season that I more, think the brewers are going to go for it and then have a big deadline

if they need to have a big deadline. I think they're open to offers. I think with one year of Corbyn's 15 mil, so $10 million cheaper than glass now with, you know, has a Cy Young in the bag, has a lot more good major league innings under his belt, that if the right offer this there, the brewers operate,

differently. They are, you know, if we were making buckets of teams, I don't know, Brewers, diamondbacks, the raise if they were willing to spend just a little bit of money. Like, I don't know, like they, what Milwaukee is going to go into next season, thinking they're winning the NL Central. And I think that could be without or with Corbyn Burns. Like if they do a trade, there will be an MLB impactful piece in that trade if Corbyn Burns is heading out.

Interesting. Yeah, I guess so. If I'm them, keep them. And then if you have a bad season, then you have a lot. And then you can do this. You can trade Willie Domus. You can trade Hauser. You can trade Burns.

You can trade Devin Williams. And you'll get deadline packages for them. But if you want to win the division, and I understand what you're saying that you think they have the confidence in themselves and they're like smarts to be like we can still do it without them. I would just keep them. Yeah, I think they will flush out all options. Their lineup is so young now.

It's so, so young. And we, you know, we waited for them for years to either make the Justin Turner move or that move. Like I don't think any of us think that is coming, especially after the council, like letting them walk decision. So I don't know. I like the way you're phrasing it because it has been a little bit like, well, you know, Burns will be traded. I think Milwaukee's going to feel it out

and they're going to do what's best for the Milwaukee Brewers over a three-year period. And that might not be trading Corbyn Burns' offseason, but it also could. Yeah. But that brings me to the Guardians where I, it's more likely that they will trade Bieber they have a track record of trading guys

before they get to this part of their career and they also like are fun to trade with because they're not like the raise where they're going to scour your high A or or double A and make sure they really like hurt you in five years

and go get a Randy Rosa Rania or a I don't know, Glass Now, other players that this has happened to a ton of it with. And they kind of just want MLB ready talent just to keep status quo going. And have they ever won a trade besides Clause? Hmm. I think there's an argument about Lindor. Like they didn't pay Lindor $300 million in Jimenez has been really good.

And they got some other assets there. But I mean, for what those assets were when they acquired them, they max out their value. It's different conversations because they were never going to pay Lendor money. So for a situation like that,

they did pretty well. Yeah. But I'm saying, like, they're not scary to trade with. Sometimes you give them, you know, hedges and Nailer.

What was the Josh Naler trade? Cleve? Cleve? Or, um, Bauer? What was that? That was Clevenger. Yeah,

I mean, Clevenger for, um, Naylor, Areas, who I think is about to be a starting infielder for them, Hedges, Owen Miller, and Quantrell. So, yeah, I mean, they operate differently. I probably should have mentioned the Guardians before as well.

And so it's just Bieber's last year, right? Beaver's last year. Yeah. And he got hurt at, like, towards the end of this year. Like, I feel like they could definitely be in a position where, like, They don't want to wait this out to the deadline, and he gets hurt again and they can't flip him. Right.

There is this scare. There was this scare he got Tommy John, and then he didn't need it. He came back for two starts, which very much felt like the Guardians being like, hey, Shane Bieber's fine. Come get him. So he will be traded,

which it feels like that hasn't been discussed enough. They traded Yandi Diaz. Yeah. Rays. Yeah. traded yonder alonzo hot there's an athletic article

just reviewing all the guardians trades and it's way more than I was even thinking of but like the Bauer trade Franmill came over yeah he was a big prospect at the time yeah had at least one good year for Cluber for Clause is the big one Claubert has been great

Glover did not work out over there so but mostly you just give them like 40 man pieces. Yeah, they want, they, they kind of have, remember the Garrett Cole trade with Pittsburgh, but I guess they've been a successful Pittsburgh. They want like, you know, if they have enough one war guys, that that's how they can assemble a roster around Jose Ramirez, basically. They're looking for average bodies, not.

They like, they tend to want some like quantity over quality in their trades. And I think there's teams. that will say, sure, we'll give you Bieber for that guy. We don't project him being anything more than just like an MLB average player for three seasons. And Guardians are like, that's what we want. So they're sometimes very fun to trade with. Because like, okay, that's all you need. Cool.

Rays were asking us for fucking our best unsung heroes. Any other pitchers that really stand out? I mean, the Blue Jays are saying they want to trade. Alec Manoa, who has four years of control remaining, lowest value you could possibly be at, and rumors that him and the Blue Jays are, like, not on speaking terms and, like, disgruntled. So, yeah, of course you would be open to trading him. Yeah, trades are, trades, drafts, everything's about value. And the value proposition there is just ridiculous.

I mean, Alec Manoa goes out and has a good April, and he's back to being a, you know, potential high-end starting pitcher for three, three-plus years. You're trading him now. It's like, what is his value? He's a minor league pitcher. So that didn't make any sense when that came out. I think the other piece is cease that he has two years. So that's where, I don't know, does he feel like a Cardinal a little bit, potentially?

Yeah, that'd be an interesting one. And that's their strikeout guy, right? They were looking for innings. They got two meaty innings guys, and then they go and get the strikeout guy. Do the White Sox want what the Cardinals have to offer? Because the Cardinals have a lot of MLB-ready guys, positionally, bats,

and the White Sox are kind of saying, we're dumping everything. White Sox don't know what they want. What? White Sox don't know what they want. It's true. That's true. Cease is the other guy. Burns, Glass, now Cease Bieber, that impact arms that might get traded.

Do you think it's kind of team by team for those guys, need-wise? Like, I'm not saying like, rank them. Because it depends on what you're trading and that kind of thing. But I don't know. I guess I'm in an ice cream flavor world. What are your preferences here? I think it depends what you already have in your rotation for sure. Like if you need a one, right? I would choose burns over Glassnow. But if you love your one too and you think Glassnow can come in and just compete and you have a top three, that's awesome when he's there. But if he if he doesn't deliver, it's not going to kill the front of your rotation.

I would go with Glass now. So like if I'm the Yankees, I'd be interested in Glass Now at a lesser value than Burns. but it depends on what they're requiring you to give up. So they're very interesting. Burns is going to pitch. Yeah. Interesting. And then Bieber is interesting too because actually I don't know what his numbers are

the last couple of years, but I remember feeling like he wasn't. You always think it's worse than it is with Bieber. I don't know what that is. Me or? No, I'm. I'm with you. Like last year, Bieber was really good and he didn't feel like that.

He was 31 starts at 288. So I don't know. I do think there's a little bit Yankee fan bad sampling with Bieber. Oh, he got injured. So he only, he got injured after he only pitched two games in the back half of the season. So maybe that hurts a little bit or that lessons. I don't know where he's at.

I don't know what that injury was. But yeah, it seemed like he was trending down from where he was when he was winning the Sy Youngs and being like unstoppable. But he got hurt and I just think I haven't seen him a lot. Yeah. All right.

Do you want to go to rentals next or do you want to go by a position? We have it listed by position. I would skip relief pitchers for now because that market is so big and vast. It's a big and vast market. Go get yourself. Yeah, I don't even think those guys are moving. There's any given reliever can be.

moved in the right. Yeah, I think it's got to be a combo, Jim. I think that's the only way to really chew through it. combo of what, catcher? Like position and rentals because, you know, catcher, there's really nothing sexy. Elias Diaz, all-star game MVP. I don't see any of these catchers being traded as anything more than a throw-in

to a bigger trade. Like Christian Vasquez on this list, like he would, I think you'd have to tag a prospect to him to get off him at this point. He's negative war and he's got two years, 20 remaining. So I guess the overlying statement, if you're looking for a catcher, the solution's probably not out there. Like it is almost every year. I have an interesting way to do a category here that's not position or need. Just kind of a question I asked pre-show that I'll throw your way in the viewer's way, which we can, this question can be brought to you by draft Kings. Sure could, Jim.

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Eligibility and deposit restrictions apply. Bonus bets expire 168 hours after issuance terms at sportsbook. draftings.com slash football terms. My question, which is brought you by draftings, thank you, is we have the two Mets on this list here. And I know that Per Scherzer's conversation with Cohen, 2025 is the new year that they're tackling. so they might shed some people that aren't contractually attached to the 2025 season.

So we have Marte and Alonzo on this list. They also, they have some other people. They have, you know, Kintana, if someone wanted him, Smith. Do you think the Mets are going to move these pieces? Do you think they're really available? Corny line, I'd say everything's on the table. not corny line. I mean, Alonzo's really the guy

with a lot of juice there. Like, Marta, right now would be a dump. He's a 35-year-old with two years, 19 and a half per on his contracts. And he had a bad year last year. So I still, my honest answer with the Mets is I have no idea. I think I never bought into the... because for them to say they're punting on 2024,

I just, I have to see it to believe in it. And maybe they will. And hey, with the Braves and Phillies where they are, it's not crazy. Like, I get it. But I just, I don't know.

I don't know. I, I, Alonzo is tough for me. Like he feels like such a med, and he's such a lock to just mash and be a power hitter. I honestly don't know the only thing I will say. I wish I said it the other day when we were talking Brandon Woodruff

because I landed on a, you know, this should be a big market team taking advantage of a guy having lesser value for one year. If the Mets are fully 2025, Brandon Woodruff should be a New York Mett. That's the only thing I've got. That's true. And I don't know if it's punching, but more retooling. Like, you know, hey, if we're in it, that's great,

but we're not going to make, we're not, we're not training for rentals at the deadline last year and we're not, they're not in the market for rentals right now. Like they want more long-term people, but I can't imagine them moving Alonzo. Marte had an injury last year. I think groin injury that he was like trying to play through, which led to a bad half season. I'd be interested in those two guys if they're available, especially Alonzo, if you need it. You have the lineup availability, D.H. your first base.

Yeah, but to trade Marte right now, even if they paid a majority of his contract, I don't think anyone would really pay for that. Well, if you believe last year's results were due to playing through an injury, his year before that was really good. And he's very versatile player. Yeah, I guess if you're the Mets,

I don't see the point at this point, trading away Marte in the off season. eating a bunch of his contract to maybe get a MET prospect? Like at this point, wouldn't you just bring back MAPA, let him play, and they'd have to like someone internally. Hope he builds his value back up. Yeah.

Or they have to like someone internally that they want to give run to to see what he's got. Just open up the spot for, you know, I don't know what their depth is. But yeah, I can't really see those, the Mets moving those pieces. Yeah. Marte would be, I guess if you're the receiving team

and you're getting the Mets to pay just about all of it. So you get him for free, you're probably comfortable with that as your fourth outfielder, if that's where your team's at. And if you're the Mets, you'd be buying a prospect.

But they can let him start this season, prove he's still pretty good and do that at the deadline. He's got some time on that deal. So definitely not a must trade. Yeah. First base is light. If you take Alonzo off,

you have Thai France. He's got two years of control. I don't know if Seattle's really doing that. I don't know what Seattle's doing this off season. and haven't thought about it much. Seattle fans, let me know. You know more than me. Second base is also...

No, second's kind of the spot, man. Glaver Torres is available from the Yankees. That's a one-year rental. Jonathan India, three years of him. Yeah, Red Sox's rumored to be talking about that. His hair, it makes sense. Jorge Polanco. He has one year with the team option.

He's always in trade rumors. Brandon Trury makes the second baseman list as also an infielder list. This is a position that I, especially compared to others, there's options here that I think are going to be moved this off season. What's interesting to me about this group of guys too is like all the teams that currently have those guys

don't feel like they have to move them. So it's like it would be, like I think some of them will be, but like it would be real trades. Well, that's where I think, you could tell me none of these five guys, we have on the list here, Hassan Kim, Glaber Torres,

Jonathan, and yeah, Polanco, Dr. you could tell me none of them get traded, or you can tell

me three of them get traded, and I think, um, all on the two. All third equal. I actually lean more towards zero. I probably put the highest bet on,

uh, uh, uh, one of them. And then the second bet would be two of them. And then the third would be zero. The draft king's odds. Yeah.

Yeah. Haasong Kim doesn't make any sense to me, like they need to shed money and he was their best player last year. And he is not expensive. It wouldn't be shedding a crazy difference making amount of money. We've been swimming in Glaber rumors. Jonathan, India, I think they wanted to happen this year and pretty much will happen this offseason.

India is the guy. Yeah, that's why I agree with. Like, if it makes sense, they got other players. He already was getting moved around a little or they were talking about it at this trade deadline. in a way. And they're going to get offers. So like Bebs is saying, you're going to get a return here.

It's going to be a fun one to, like, dissect. So I agree. India's my favorite there. Glaber, coin flip. No idea. But I actually really think no. But been out there. And Drury, I guess.

I don't know. 803 OPS from Drury last year. Killer. Killer? Third base. Nothing. Nothing. Yeah.

And shortstop, you have Willie Adomas. And that's kind of the Brewer's question. Like, if they trade burns, then they're going to get calls on Adomis. And if they find value, they like, they'll do it. You like sitting in Milwaukee. Jorge Mateo from Baltimore, I feel like they're going to keep him. He's cheap, shortstop that has a pretty high upside.

It's just really good insurance and he can run the base as well. I think for another year they probably keep him on the roster. Adomis, Brewer's question, value not extremely high. He had kind of a bizarre year last year. If they start unloading, I would say, yeah, absolutely, but don't know their plan. All right, so if you go to the corner outfield market,

you have two guys that have been guaranteed to be moved before the office. season ends and Verdugo is the other one I was searching for at the top of the show that was recent where we had a reporter come out and say like he's getting traded uh I forget who's who said that but it was their opinion and then we also had um all the reporters said about soda so those are the two corner outfielders on this list that have one year left on their deal that reporters are being like these guys are getting moved the other on this list is uh anthony santander for Baltimore, again, I think he's a real big figure in what they're doing over there. And if they want to keep, keep things going, like, I don't see them moving him.

I see them kind of like adding smartly, not removing from the MLB roster. And we also have Nick Castellanos on the Phillies listed, who was rumored. And then I feel like they unrumored it. They came out and said no. And then it came out and said now, but maybe I don't, it's been a lot. But I don't know why they'd trade him. Never really added up to me. I mean, again, I'm always open to a Dumbrowski master.

plan, so if something happens, great. Soto, I mean, Soto's the guy. He's been the guy from the deadline a couple years ago. He's Juan Soto. He's one of the best young hitters in MLB history. I do think he will be traded. I think the Padres have a salary situation and a roster in-depth situation that needs to be addressed.

and Juan Soto's the easiest path to doing that. There are some other outs, Padres fans. I know you guys have looked at every option, but Juan Soto should be traded this off season. Santander makes no sense. He has one year left on his deal. Go look at his numbers the past couple years, as solid and consistent as you'll get a switch hitter

in the middle of that lineup. For what Baltimore is doing to move him now, when he has one year left on his deal, and what's your worst case scenario? Like, if he's good again, you give him the qualifying offer, and, you know, you end up getting a draft pick and you're the Orioles,

and that's how you operate. Like, that makes no sense to me. Cassiano's makes no sense. Verdugo does. You know, I've said on here, and I think talking Yanks a couple times, if the Yankees and the Red Sox weren't the Yankees in the Red Sox, I think the Glaber Verdugo trade would have happened,

by now. They need a second baseman. Yankees need a lefty corner outfielder. Verdugo and Boston, they've kind of rubbed each other the wrong way a little bit, and it felt like that relationship could be coming to the end. But the other beautiful thing about Boston is sometimes, like, those relationships happen,

and I could see Alex Verdugo having a massive year in him being, like, the heart and soul of the Red Sox next year. Like, that's kind of a Boston storyline. So Kepler's been on every trade rumor the past decade. Mani Margo, not into it. Tyler O'Neill will St. Louis ever trade depth. Yeah. Depends with if they land an ace or not.

Centerfielders, again, St. Louis, Dylan Carson is, Carlson is there. And Trent Grisham, which doesn't make sense to me because he's really cheap. And the Padres are, they'd have to trade him and replace him with someone making less money. right now it feels like it's made less sense than before but they've been like rumored to be open to moving him for a couple years so it's just is this the time they're going to finally do it it feels less likely now than say a year ago but uh and then the other eloy hyminez on the white socks i don't i don't think people are i mean the white sacks have to probably eat some of that all right it's just one year deal but there's a club option but the club option isn't enticing

Yeah, I mean, he would, it's 13 mil for next year, which Eloy 758 OPS, 18 homers last year, he's had an injury history. If an E.O.3 war. If an Eloy Jimenez trade broke, white socks fans would be really sad because there really wouldn't be a return coming in. No. Like they might even, like, whatever cease goes, they might tuck. Eloy in there.

So everyone's like, ooh, okay, so they're getting this, this, and this back. The returns basically for cease,

but Eloy's in it too. I still like Eloy for one year. Like I would make that $13 million bet if I was a team that had a DH spot open. Like,

he's a guy that knows how to DH. If he has his healthy year, I'm telling you, 40 homers are coming. And then if he does that, you probably pick up that 16-5. There's a team that probably sees

Eloy as like a dream signing. and I wouldn't be surprised if he gets tucked into like the C-Steel or something like that. Yeah, I mean, 104 OPS Plus, the slugging was down last year. But usually you see a club option. It's like, ooh, and it's very sexy. This one he would have to really make sexy, which doesn't hurt. You don't have to pick up a club option. But usually it's a perk when trading for a guy and like they have a cheap club option.

You would need the D.H spot available. You would need to be fine with clogging the D.H. spot when he's healthy. and you would be banking on upside. Yeah, I wonder. But I like what you're saying of just including him in the cease trade. And then, you know, the value for value gets muddied up. Feels like a big money team move again. And I know I've been saying that too much and maybe that's too obvious.

But if you're a team that can afford to take a one year $13 million bet on Eloy, his past 204 games, the past two seasons, a 797 OPS, like a 119 OPS plus that I, I don't know. I believe in his baseball ability. And, you know, maybe if he has a tough year next year, he'll be, he'll go on a list of guys I could never quit. But I don't know. I think for one year, I'm also all in on,

actually White Sox fans don't cover your end. I'm kind of in on wiping off the White Sox stink off a few guys. Literally the clubhouse talked about how bad it was, openly? So like, yeah, let's give Eloys a fresh star. Let's give Yon Moncada a fresh star. He wasn't on our third basement list. I think that's a guy that could be moved. Anyone that had the White Sox stink of the past couple years, I'll buy just a little bit of stock because that was literally a toxic situation. What's a team that needs a pitching and a DH? Right now, Dodgers fit that bill.

But if they don't land Otani, I think they're going to go get JD and bring him back for the DH spot. Is there another team out there? I mean, there's going to got to be that has money like you're saying like the one of the big boy teams um i'll give you a weird one and i'm too close to the situation the arizona diamond packs um like they would like cease that's uh you know they've been looking for that other pitcher to add and you kind of take it take the bet on on eloy that's kind of what they did cease and brent strom gruel i mean cease and strom couldn't hold a combo but it'd be nice um i have eloy and strom hanging out actually oh no way they don't even know they're on the same team.

I have Eloid secretly like 75 years old at heart. Okay, I like that. And that's where Strom's at. That's a young version of himself. We are, that's it. That's kind of through. So what did you, what did you, what did you, what did you learn? I learned that the, the top tradable starting pitchers that can have an impact,

especially the three rentals and Burns, Glass Now, and, um, Bieber are a very interesting conversation because I think it comes down to what does your rotation need and what do the Ray's, Brewers and Guardians want in return. And I think if you value those three very similar adding them to your rotation, I think those three teams are asking for three different packages in returns. like they might not have any overlap in the Venn diagram of what the brewers want back from your farm system, what the what the guardians want back from your 40 man and farm system, and what the rays want back from your farm system. I just, I would love transparency to be like,

this is what we got offered by the three, you know, by teams. If say the Phillies went and they, or the Cardinals went and they, they told all three teams, hey, tell us what you want back. Give us a, and I would be so interested to see what the Ray's asked for, what the Brewers asked for, what the Guardians asked for, because I think it's three completely separate packages. GM for a day. Yeah, I guess.

Has what they want. I want to see kind of what I was saying with St. Louis, but how it ties into this offseason with the rest of the free agent starting pitchers that we've kind of talked about. It's not really a A, B. CD thing. It's kind of like you like this. It's kind of what you're saying with the trade market, too. I think it's going to be funny after the whole offseason to see, okay, so you could have signed this free agent for that amount, but instead you traded for one year of that guy and you gave up that or vice versa.

So I think the table's been set there that, um, I don't know, if you need pitching, you can have a really nice offseason. It's true. And it starts with getting Gibby and Lynn. Yamamoto's 15 teams have reached out to him, so boom. Bang. Bang. Spencer Turnbull argued and won a court case. And a Korean pitcher named Wu Suk go has been posted. Jake sucks. Sounds like Jake in the bedroom.

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