Talkin' Baseball (MLB Podcast) - Corbin Burnes TRADED to the Baltimore Orioles | 772

Episode Date: February 5, 2024

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Hello and welcome to talking baseball. We had a big trade go down, a big fun one. We're going to talk all about it. Burns, not on the Brewers. Hello and welcome to talking baseball. Thank you very much for joining us today. It's brought to you by Seat Geek. My name is Jimmy.

Sitting here with Jake, Trevor, coming here from California, and producer BBD behind the dish. Corbyn Burns traded from the Brewers to the Orioles. and some other moves that we have yet to discuss will be discussed on the show today. Jake, how are you? How was your weekend? James, Trev, BBD, everyone tuning in.

Thank you guys. Subscribe, why not? Weekend was good. Glad to put January in my rear view. Didn't love January this year. I don't know. Thought it had some kickstart juice. It did not.

And we are gone. 10, nine days out from pitchers and catchers. We still have four big free agents out there. I think there might be a couple more trades. And this, Corbyn Burns, to Baltimore, has me a little worried for my yanks, Trev. But I'm doing well. How are you?

I'm doing great as well. I can't wait to talk about this trade. I think it's fascinating. I think these two teams kind of line up against each other in certain ways. We'll talk about it a lot. I did say that I did something dangerous last. night. So I think now is probably the time to talk about. I'm headed home

from the airport. Trencial downpour in Los Angeles right now. I'm on the 405, Jake, your favorite freeway? Other than the five. That I saw you there. All of sudden, I see a bright red in front of me. A lot of brake lights, right? But then, to my

right, I see headlights. Now, usually the headlights are on the left, right? Because that's the way the traffic's going. They were on the right. People were driving the wrong way on the 405. And I said, what the heck is going on? I got up there, saw all those breaklights.

You know what I did? I joined them. I drove the wrong way. Last night on the 405 and exited, I guess there was something. I don't even know what happened. Maybe a flood, maybe a mudslide, maybe an accident. But I know I avoided like an extra two hours at about midnight last night with my kids on the freeway

because I turned around. I'm very proud of myself for doing this. It was scary. free money. What does that mean? Maybe like a truck spilled over. Could have been a nice thing. Oh, shoot.

So now you're saying I messed up. Yeah. Chuck could have spilled over with tons of good cereal in it. Dude, it's 2024. How have you not like Googled 405 accident? I did. I went on X and freaking. Nice.

Looked it up. Well, wasn't. All I know is I saved a lot of time last night. And I did something that, I mean, come on. When's the last time? Have you ever driven the wrong way on a freeway? I'm pretty proud of myself.

That's my story, James. What's up with you? I'm doing well. I got a new car and I drove it to work today and no traffic. Bugatti. Yeah. That sounds like the car you should drive. Dodge dingo.

Dodge dingo, yeah. A Rav four? No, that's what I was driving. Those are sick. I turned that in. Chop it down a little bit. Yeah. You want to talk about the brewers, Jake?

I mean, the more exciting part is the Baltimore Orioles. Man, we, I know the baseball today, well, actually not the baseball today, guys, Chris Rose and Jolly Olive went live after it happened. Because Chris Rose is all about that live game today. Make sure you go check out baseball today live. Corbyn Burns is an Oriole. I owe, well, I was going to say I owe Oriol fans and apology because I was like, I haven't seen this team do the all-in move.

So I just never thought they would. And maybe there's something with new ownership, but I don't know if they've got their paws in there yet, but they went in for one year of Corbyn Burns, which that's what you can expect for now. I know Orioles fans think maybe he'll be the guy that they resign and go all in on. He's a boring, guys, so he's going to hit free agency.

And I know even when we talked to Corbyn Burns, what was that, like two years ago, he was kind of looking forward to free agency. So the Orioles get their ace. It's when you looked on paper at the roster, it was the thing that it felt like the team was missing. Even though Kyle just being Braddish last year, I think fourth in the Cy Young or something like that. Kind of bradish. Brayson Rod looking for the breakout. But Corbyn Burns, 200 innings last year, a 3-3-9 in what was considered a down year for

him. Goes over for D.L. Hall, who was and is an interesting left-handed pitching prospect. He kind of faded out, but he's kind of come back, but he kind of did that in the bullpen, but it seems like the Brewers are going to let him start, and they've got a long history of tapping into pitching.

And then Joey Ortiz, who's a potential Willie Adomis replacement at some point, another top 100 infielder that supposedly has the contact tool. We'll see what else is there. And they get like a first round pick, which Trev, I was laughing when that happened, because the other day you were saying, you're like, man, if they start trading picks in baseball,

and like we have this weird compensatory pick lane that you can do it. So I don't know. Aiming wide, it's like an okay haul for the Brewers, but it's a tough message to the team and, like, feels like we've said that before on this show. I think it opens up the central. And on the other side, in the east, I think it closes the east, if I'm being honest. It is like I think it's very interesting

on both sides of this trade I know that's how trades work There's always two sides to it But for the Orioles I mean Yes we are seeing them Somewhat kind of push their chips at table Even though they didn't really have to give up What we'd consider like going all in

They haven't done that yet Like Dio Hall worked in the bullpen for them last year He's been a starter all his minor league career How are you feeling about the hair for Dio Hall Is it good hair or weird hair? It's perfect. kind of in between. It's perfect brewer. You think so? Okay.

Okay. I kind of want to go brewers first, I think, and then maybe get into it. At least that's where mind is at. What does this mean now for Adomis? What does this mean for Devin Williams in the back end of their bullpen? They always kind of do this, dude. Like, this is their MO. Let's get these players. We understand they're most likely going to walk.

We can find talent, develop talent, but we can't afford to keep the talent. That's kind of what's going on in Milwaukee. So they're always looking to, you know, when a guy's one year, two years out from free agency, they're always looking to do something like this to, quote unquote, thread the needle and stay competitive without, when's the last time Milwaukee pushed the chips to tail? We've been asking them to do that for so long. And then my mind goes, what do they tell Reese Hoskins? Like when Reese signs there, do they tell them, yeah, we're keeping these guys, we're going to go for it?

Or do they let him in on the plan? Because if I'm Reese now, I'm like, come on, man, like, I thought I had Corbyn Burns at the top of the rotation. I understand there's a chance maybe during the season that he would get traded bets depending on how we did at the first part of the season. So there's so many aspects to this for the brewers. I do believe now they're 100% shopping Adomis and Williams because like you mentioned, they got a semi-replacement for Adomis, he's a free agent after this year. Williams has an extra year after 2025, but he's a reliever. Like, I almost wouldn't even fault them for trading him because that is a volatile position. And I think he's going to be good. He doesn't rely on velocity. So I think he

could be good for a long time. But this is kind of just their MO. And I think if you're on the team or fan of the brewers, you're like, man, like, we had this window. We never really push the chips in its table until we, like, Reese Hoskins is probably what? Is that the best? biggest, like, move that they made offensively in this window with all this pitching. And just, it seems like we kind of, they want that stability and the consistency of competing every year. But I think they had more than that with the starting pitchers they've had over the last three or four years. And they made the playoffs, but didn't really ever push them all in. So I don't know, man. I'd be sad if I was a Brewer's fan. Well, my question is, and I, and I, and,

as a Yankee fan, I guess lately we lean more towards the brewers, but the Yankees are kind of a mixture of the brewers and what the Orioles are doing now. So my question is, the Orioles clearly reset. They tanked or whatever, right? They, they bottomed out. They didn't acquire. They, they, um, what's the term? That's tanked.

Like, did they build? They did a rebuild. They did a full rebuild. Yeah, they did a full rebuild, right? So the brewers are saying that they, don't want to do a full rebuild. They want to be competitive every single year. And they've made the playoffs the last five out of six years.

But the cost of doing that is never losing pieces without getting something back. So they knew that Burns was going to go to free agency. He was going to go to whoever pays the most because he's a boris client. So they're going to lose him for nothing. And if they want to stay competitive, they need to trade him in for two, three guys that may help right away and continue it. as a fan, I don't really, I've never, I don't have, uh, history with either. But I'd rather, I think, be the Orioles and be like, I will accept and, uh, a rebuild. If you promise me that when we're good, you're going to replenish the team and go get people.

And I think like the Astros did that. Uh, the Cubs rebuild was successful. We've seen successful quick rebuilds. But the Brewers, like, if you want to. you're going to be competitive. That's great. Well, you've lost the wild card series, like the last four out of five.

Went to the CS in 2018 and we're game seven, and that's awesome. But like, if you want to win in the playoffs, you need guys like Burns. So I don't know, you know, some Brewers fans might be like,

no, we're competitive every year. We always have a chance at winning the division. And then they believe the playoffs is a crapsured. I don't believe the playoffs is a total crapsured. I know that it's got some element. of that. You still need studs, especially pitching. So I guess, like, fans of both, Orioles fans, when you're going through that rebuild,

would you have rather just been, like, competitive enough? And also the Brewers Division allows them to be competitive enough where other divisions you can't do that. You have to kind of rebuild and go all in. But it is a move that the Orioles, I like the quotes from Elias who said, we've been talking about this since the World Series ended. Corbyn Birds is exactly what we needed. We were in a dogged pursuit of him the entire offseason. You like to hear that.

You're an Orioles fan. How many teams were in on them, on him? Dogged pursuit, yeah. I like that too. Yeah. Do you think this was like, it seems to me if there was several teams, you know, jockeying, another good word,

for Corbyn Burns in the off season, we would have heard about it and maybe heard some packages, especially now after the trade has come out. Usually that's how it comes. Like there's be leaks of information. We haven't really heard that yet. So I'm very curious to see or to know how many teams were like fully in pursuit of Corbyn Burns.

Like were the Dodgers one of them or, you know, like there's so many teams that need a guy like this. And the package I think is good. I actually do think the package will let the brewers continue to be competitive at the pace they want to be. But it didn't like blow. blow me away. And I understand it's just for one year. But I want to know who else was trying to pry Corby from the Brewers. Well, that's the interesting thing. I guess for every team, if you're not an Orioles or Brewers fan, that's kind of what you're wondering, because

there's still guys out there that may be dealt. And like, how many times have we heard Dylan cease? The White Sox are asking for King's Ransom. It's two years of Dylan Seas. I think for one year You lean Corbyn Burns is the better starting pitcher He's just been more consistent He's got the sigh You know, C's had a couple

fluctuating years But he's all, you know, he's very good, Very talented And you get him for two years That the price for one year of Corbin Burns Looks like it was essentially Three-ish top 100 prospects Hall was

And he's kind of resurging again Ortiz just kind of broke out and they get that pick, which, you know, kind of love that, a control your own destiny with that one, that, yeah, I mean, this felt, unfortunately, so brewers it hurt. Like they, like Jim was saying, you know, they traded away Hater.

And, you know, one of the guys in that trade was Estuary Ruiz who helped them get William Contreras after that. And they've got another guy in that trade. Robert Gasser is probably going to be pitching innings for them this year. And D.L. Hall and Ortiz, you're probably going to see them on the brewers for the next three, four years. Like, so they're, you know, even if they're one-war players, that's how they view these

kind of things. Like, all right, we're going to still be reaping the rewards of it, even though I, you know, I was getting on the Brewer's hype train, man. I was kept looking at the Central like, okay, the Cardinals, let's find out this year. The Reds, maybe they can take a jump, and I actually, sneaky like some of their signings. The Cubs were supposed to be the resurgent team, and I think Draft King still had them as the NL Central Fair. They still haven't, like, upgraded yet. Like, they've still, they're still down from last season where they won 83 games.

And the Brewers 1-92, and I was, like, proud of them for keeping burns and being like, hey, maybe this Trio Kids is stud. And they signed, they signed Reese. And now, yeah, I don't know, the rotation, Freddie Peralta, Wade Miley is there, too. Colin Rea, Joe Ross, and D.L. Hall. I don't know. I know the Brewers, they've had a history of. winning and this year's going to be a big test for them.

I know we laughed at no Stearns and no counsel, but they think they're about to refill the pipeline and have another window where they look to win 90 games a year and they're hoping for that one postseason everything clicks. This is one of the big test years for me, because, I mean, two weeks before spring training to move Corbyn Burns, that hurts, man. That hurts.

Yeah, Matt Arnold had a bunch of, I think they were good quotes about, this explaining the process and why they're doing it and all and and all that you know whether you agree with it or not at least he was kind of forthright and and wasn't you know he didn't act like something else happened like he's like yeah we have to trade this guy this is what we do we want to continue to stay competitive i think they do deserve uh you know some praise for signing a guy like jackson shrio and and and banking on his talent and i just think and i've been on i mean i haven't been on a bunch of, I wasn't on winning teams, really.

But the times where we were in contention and you didn't make the push, it hurts, man. And I feel like that's just kind of been what's been going on there. Like, they're in it. Like, they're in the playoffs. Like, they just needed something to get him over the edge. And what, I was trying to think about it. Like, when's the last time that happened for them? Was it Cici when they went and traded for him?

Like, was that the last time? They were like, okay. Yeah. Let's go get a dog. But that's even a rental is a little different than, like, like a free agent. Yeah, I don't know, man. Well, for the Orioles side of things, it's awesome.

Like I was talking about, who was I talking to in the office? Someone that's employee here. Maybe Mike. That's a Yankees fan. And we were saying like, Jake's pained because of the division. That was not my first reaction. Like, I still don't see the Orioles as, and this isn't to knock them at all. They are very good.

They're going to be better than, they're going to be very good. They just wanted the vision. So it's not that. But it's like, I'm still happy for them. Seeing their fans, like how Camden came alive.

And I'm like, thank God. Like, that's a beautiful ballpark. And it's a really good fan base, but they were just dormant. And I love seeing the young, the young kids.

Like, I like teams doing a rebuild in this manner. And then secondly, then I'm like, oh, shit, wait, wait, this is a bad thing.

Like, then it came to me. But we were talking, I was talking, I think it was my, Mike Colville, we were talking about that in the office. Like my first reaction was like, damn, that's cool. Good job, Orioles.

And I was like, oh, fuck, we have faced Bernsey all the time. It's really good. It's only appearance against the Yankees, eight-innings pitch zero. I think he faced like a crazy bad lineup when he did that. I have the baby birds as the easy ALE's favorites. I think Tampa is taking a step back. I think with their rotation that let them have a perfect April last year.

Like all of those guys are hurt. Like Springs is out. Rasmussen's hurt. Glass now got traded. You know the race are going to pitch enough. They also banged last year. But I don't know. I don't fully see that thump.

They've got some question marks. Obviously the wander situation hurt them. Toronto, I love their pitching. It's actually their lineup that's kind of weirded me out as we're about to get to TPP season, although they just signed Justin Turner. but they need that lefty so bad. Like they need that impact lefty in Toronto. I don't know, as much as we've always loved the talent,

they still haven't had that bang season. Our yanks are coming off their worst year in 30 years. They had Juan Soto and Verdugo, and that's nice. But the pitching has some serious depth question marks that can come alive soon. Have you seen who the actual favorite is? It's the Yankees, right? Yeah. But I think that's just gambling and a lot of.

Yankee fans going, it's the Yanks, babe. The Orioles, this was still like the start last year. Like, we haven't seen Jackson Holiday. And this dude, I know you're not supposed to talk about kids like this, but what he's doing is freak show stuff. Like, we haven't seen him yet. They've got another layer of prospects that they haven't tapped into, whether they want to.

And hey, yeah, we might have room for you, Heston Kerstad, or are they going to make the other trade and keep adding? Like, guys that were really good for them are now pushed to, like, the bullpen. Like, Tyler Wells had a really nice season. And right now they don't need him in the rotation. Like, Cedric Mullins has become a bonus piece for them on offense that, yeah, I was kind of in on the Orioles, and I thought, you know, it'd be a nice ALE season. Like, let's see who else clicks.

Hadn't mentioned the Red Sox yet. And then they added Corbin, Burr. So in a contract year at that stadium, new league with a left field that doesn't end, like ZRA might be like two five next year. So I don't know. I'm happy for the birds. I think the ALE East is theirs to lose. And they're like stacked.

I think I'm going to segue us into our next topic a little bit. But I do have a question. One, well, I am worried. I like the Orioles. Obviously this is great for them. I can't wait to see Jackson Holiday. I am excited about that. He's a handsome stud, shortstop.

You love that. Where is he going to play? What's going on? Was this the new ownership signing off on this? Or was this the old ownership signing off? Elias being in dogged pursuit since the World Series ended. I read one article from the Baltimore Sun. They said they're not related.

Because, yeah, everyone's like, oh, this new ownership came in and did this. I know they didn't, dude. Like they're like still doing paperwork over this. Like this is just the front office operating as its own entity right now. They obviously knew this was, they had they got this signed off on by the Angelo's. I'm assuming. Who might be saying like, hey, we're about to make a move and you're buying the team.

You were a fan or something like that. But they're they could try to resign Bernsey, the new ownership. Exactly. That's my point with all this is they're still sitting at like 90, mid 90s for their payroll. mid-90s for their payroll. Where are the Mets at? What are the Dodgers at? I mean, you could add five superstar players if you're trying to match that.

They're not going to do that, obviously, but there's a lot of room here. Like, there is a lot of room to add. Now, yes, they're going to have to figure out a way to keep Adley, to keep Gunner. I mean, I don't even want to start with Jackson Holiday, but hey, go sign him. Just sign him now.

Like, get out in front of this. Like, they have a lot of decisions coming up, like a lot of fun. really cool decisions. But like in the meantime, let's go, let's go get that payroll up, you know, another 40? Another 40 mil?

No need. Do that easily. No need. So, I mean, go, they need bullpen help still. I will say that about the Orioles. I want to see them add huge blow with Batista being out.

Let's figure that whole aspect out. And then I'll be like, yes, 100% A.L. East. front runners. One of the kids gets one of the team like arbitration buyout extensions before opening day. Like that's the new ownership playbook. Like even, I don't think they were involved in the Burns trade,

but they're getting part credit for that. You lock up one of the kids and this new ownership group is already like the favorite people in Baltimore. It seems to me like MLB's been over at the holiday's house, filming content. Like it seems like that's going to happen, right? Okay.

What does dad let him? Like, dad's a vet, like understands free agency and the way the business works. It's interesting. I mean, he gets, he's 20 years old, so if he gets this seven-year contract, he can still hit free agency at the right time. They want to do, I think they want to, like, if they came to it, what did Truio get? Beams, can you look that up? I think it was like 80 something, right? Like, does he sign that?

You have to, right? You're how old? He just got married as a 20-year-old? He got 882, but there's some funky options. I think that 82's the number he's guaranteed at least. Yeah, the options are the problem. Yeah, the options get confusing. Jackson Holiday probably doesn't take that.

Dad played in the show. Orioles. Do you want to talk ownership? Orioles have three prospects in the top 50. five in the top 100 Keith Law's rankings They just came out I don't

My best friend I don't enjoy Keith Law's demeanor Sometimes in tone But I do count I do I do put stock into his rankings Over anyone else's

He's good at the job I'll say that about you Keith I still sort of want to fight you Well since I've started watching The Yankees The way he's talked about Yankees prospects He's like the only one Kind of hit the nail

on the head like along the line of seeing them pan out or not pan out. Yeah, yeah. That's what he said about him. So I like that. Good for the Orioles. Has anyone panned out? No. Besides Judge and Glaber, he was good on Glabor.

He was good on Judge. But like Florial, he was like, I don't know why other people have this guy in Top Prospect. This is the year. Draft Kings. Speaking of this is the year, you know what's happening this weekend, Trev? Super Bowl 58. Oh, they're all in this year. They're handshakes.

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CDKNG.com slash football for eligibility and deposit restrictions, terms and responsible gaming resources. I do have one more thing that I realize we didn't say about the Brewer's end of the trade on the number 34 pick that we mentioned a little bit in passing. The comp pick they would have gotten for Burns leaving in a year would have been lower than that pick. So they beat just that pick value now and they got two prospects that they're presumably interested in. They hit the mark that they wanted to hit. This is their game plan, people, if you're a brook.

fan, you understand it. If you're just watching and trying to wrap your head around it, this is what they're trying to do. They want to stay competitive enough at the big league level while keeping their payrolls always... There's teams that care about the draft picks and those teams that don't really care about the draft picks. I think they care about the draft picks.

And they've been able... I feel like they're a team that... They're better than average and maybe even upper echelon, I think, in identifying talent and acquiring talent. I think so. I agree with that. I'm just saying there's other, draft picks are valued wildly differently across the bank.

Yeah, Dalton that we're talking this morning about like, oh, if they just made draft picks straight up tradable, which maybe next CBA, but it'd be funny just which you'd see very easily which teams are like, oh, you can take them.

Yeah. And the Yankees used to give them why, they don't care about draft picks at all. Free agents and international signing money is what they would like. That's the money pot right now. They've changed a little bit. but yeah. Still need to draft.

Trev, I've got something you mentioned there. You mentioned Willie Adomis. You mentioned Devin Williams. Not sure on Devin Williams. I know they traded Hader. You know, they waited up until that deadline. And, you know, that was the first kind of sad. Willie Adomis, he's on the last year.

I know I was the one pushing, like, if you're the Dodgers, how you could not. And let's see where they're at at the deadline. And I think you make a decision then. You know, because of, I had a favor with the brewers because of Jimmy's hamstring injury. So I reached out to the Italian sausage. And I was told that Willie Adamas, as we know, not only is he great as shortstop, but he's one of the best personalities in baseball and, like, good guys, that they might want to keep him around even just a big brother for at least half a season.

Okay. Yeah, I think he's going to get a qualifying offer. And I don't know how big a trade package would be necessarily for one year of his services. I think he's an excellent ball player and would fit on a lot of teams. But I think they would say, let's keep him for that reason, see what's up at the deadline. If anything, we'll just offer in the qualifying offer,

get another pick for him. The Devin Williams one is interesting to me because he's the two years thing, arguably would have demand a bigger package than Corbyn Burns, which is kind of crazy if you really think about it, because Corbyn's one of the top pitchers in all the baseball. We're talking about starters. But they get some decisions, man. All right.

I think we covered it. I think we covered it. We didn't really talk about the ownership change, which is, I don't know if we, what there is there because we don't know what these owners are going to be like. and I think Orioles fans are rejoicing. Yeah. I just wonder how much of it was the plan like, hey, we're going to rebuild.

And as soon as we show signs of success, we're out. And did they have it lined up? Did they not have it lined up? There's an article out right now saying the other owners are upset because the price point isn't what they want it to be. But it seems to kind of fall in line. Like the New York market was 2.2 billion. And then Baltimore's 1.7 billion.

like I but what do I know it's that's honestly it seems light to me um but I'm not an expert in franchise values and uh all those terms and stuff like that but um there there is an interesting aspect about it because they do own mass in which also controls the nationals rights and there's been a feud between that I'm kind of versed in all these broadcast rights now and streaming rights and all that uh that's I think that was a big part of of the sale. And because they have their own network, you'd think that they would evaluate a little higher. That's my thought process. Especially if you have not only your streaming rights, other sports, and the nationals as well. But again,

not an expert. Yeah, it feels like we're us not, well, I was going to say not being trained businessman, which is the number one sign that you're not a good businessman when you label it that way. But like I want, if the baby birds went on a run this year, like would that actually do anything to their value? Like, you'd like to think, no. Like, but I don't know. They just started what seems like an awesome window in Baltimore that, I don't know. I would have like, roll it out there for another year.

If you win the World Series, I feel like you can add another zero on there or something. Yeah. Not a schooled businessman. Except my diploma. From business school. Mm-hmm. Actually, it's a Bachelor of Science and Marketing, if you remember that. Nice.

Nice. There was a trade that went down a while ago that we did not cover because we were too busy drafting home runs. The Mariners acquired Treves Jorge Polanco from the twins. Twins received Justin Tapa, Disco, Gabe Gonza. Hey. And Darren Bowen, an unranked prospect and cash money. Say Gabe Gonza?

I like that already for him. That's good. Yeah. Good people in Minnesota. You're our Minnesota hookup. Gago. Do you get wind of this at Twinsfest? I think everyone knew this was coming because there's, I mean, I think there's more trades

on the horizon for the Twins. They do have a lot of major league talents and, you know, at the top of the farm system talent that it's creating a log jam, whether it's on the 40 man or just playing time in general. You know, Polanco, I believe, has this year and then an option. so they could keep him around which is good but they have Ed or Julian there man my guy who

kind of demands playing time and really the only spot for him is second base he's got a lot of work to do defensively there but I think he's got the mentality to put the work in so Polanco was expendable not in the way that he just

wasn't going to bring value to the twins but there just wasn't room you got to you have to create room sometimes and I think that this trade was on the horizon for a long time. I don't mind the package. I think it's I think it's pretty dang good. Topa's a guy that I watched last year and was really impressed with. You know, Discofani is going to, you know, add some rotational depth, which I also believe the twins needed. They need that like fifth, six starter there because injuries do happen.

And some of the guys that they have, that they're counting on haven't really produced, you know, 150, 175 inning seasons yet. So they need that depth. You get the prospect as well. So I don't mind the package going back. I think that they got better. Their bullpen is going to be really,

really good. And they got another guy. They also sent Jay Jackson that came over from the Blue Jays. So like they're stacking their bullpen. I think that's going to be a point of emphasis for the twins this year. And Julian, the way he's hit, man. I think that him and Polanco, it's kind of

you could say that's just kind of a wash essentially because Polanco is a hell of a player too but I think the twins got better on the Mariners side like Polanco is a guy that's switch hiter going to give you great at bats if he stays healthy he's going to hit 20 homers he's going to play solid defense he's going to be a guy that

I said this before a guy that you just want at the plate in big situations because he doesn't care like he's he's good in those situations a good heart rate guy if you will so I think this was one on my heart again i think i mean let me see i think this was like known from twins fans like this is going to happen and i think i said there's still some more like outfield pieces that the twins would probably have to deal off because they just don't have room for these guys so considering

the fact that twins didn't have what i would consider considering the fact what i would consider nice a ton of leverage i think the the hall if you will is pretty good yeah what's i i guess the other part of this is like the twins kind of like this is we just talked about the NL Central and the Brewers kind of look at things differently like the twins also you know we're going to focus on the major league guys

obviously but the twins brought in some prospects and stuff like I think Jimmy's uh gogo is a top 100 prospect like they uh you know you bring in some innings with Discalfani but they're also they're trying to like reload on the fly which like you're saying with Polanco being

uh slightly dispensable because of Eddie Julian. I don't know. If one of those guys does click, you look back as a Twins fan and it's like, hey, we kind of, we double cashed in a little bit. 87 beats per minute.

When you said my name it, jumped up to 89. That was crazy. Makes sense. You are arousing, Jake. The Mariners, I'm interested to get you guys' opinion on it, if you don't mind me asking. I thought I... I don't know.

I thought I was going to be like, oh, Mariners, like, I don't know. I haven't been enthused with their offseason. Man, you wish there was another guy in the lineup that you're like, hey, they can pop with Julio. Like, you know, we know Julio can win the MVP this season. I'm not saying it has to be someone like that, but the lineup is extremely balanced.

and, you know, someone like Mitch Hanigar, who's now listed as their eight-hole, like their lineup looks balanced and deep, which is nice, and you pair that with the rotation. They also sneaky traded for Gregory Santos over the weekend that it's like, okay, so they've, do they have a deep balanced lineup and really good pitching? Like, I know I haven't loved the Mariners recipe this offseason, but when I looked at it, I was kind of, okay, Mariners. Like I didn't see what they were going for at first,

and I was frustrated with their offseason, and now I kind of see it. And I'm like, all right. Well, I had similar reaction. I was, I was just like, oh, okay. And I don't know. It doesn't feel like the ceiling offensively is crazy high, but Dallas doesn't feel like it's crazy low.

It looks like a bunch of solid MLB guys. It's above average ceiling. Like, I'm not saying it's just going to be like a lot of guys that can help. I don't know. where all the damage is going to come from if they have it. But then when you mix it with their rotation, which I think is awesome, like one of my favorite rotations in baseball,

I like what they're doing. I am interested to see how that lineup plays off of each other. It is balanced. Like you get a switch hitter in Polanco now. Him and Cal in the middle of the lineup, dude. Switch hitters are huge. Well, they went away from them for a while. Now I think they're, I don't know.

Maybe getting back to it. I'm not in charge of switch hitters. Who is in charge of switch? I just don't want to speak on it like on my authority on it. Well, look, the starting pitching first and whip last year, you know, this is what Mariners fans have told me on X. Nice. Is that Mariners are a reliever factory.

So they don't care. They just, they'll just toss relievers in trades because we'll just build another one in our lab. That's essentially what they've told. I don't know what every fan base on a good team thinks about their team. This is becoming a cliche, reliever factory. I mean, that's what Yankees fans tell themselves. That's what, I bet there's 10 fan bases out there right now.

I thought we were the reliever factory. Well, there can be multiple factories. I know, I know, I know. But I don't think people realize that like so many teams say that. It's kind of a lot more. It's almost becoming like the, we play down to our competition. It's like, yeah. Like, everyone does.

Like, relievers are just, it's the most volatile position in sports. It's very easy to have a good year and then be awful. So you don't hang on to them. You do trade them around. Like, that's kind of like the game. Yes. I'm not denying that they are good at building up relievers. I just think, I think a lot of fan base are taking pride in the very same thing right now.

I think it's more of just a wave, just a wave through baseball and drive line and stats. I mean, that's, that's the thing. We've talked about this on the show before. It's everyone can be a reliever factory because it's so easy to make adjustments for pitchers now, dude. And it's so quick. Like if you have some people that see like a certain thing in a guy like we saw with Robert Stevenson last year in Tampa, dude, like these guys can make adjustments at a lightning quick pace now. So, man, if you're a reliever and you're not just setting up in front of cameras every fucking day, you're doing it wrong. Like, get there and figure some stuff out.

Get your data where it needs to be, all right? You know who I watched? I don't know. You know who I watched Pitts recently? Jake Sanchez. For, for the Caribbean series. Okay. It's from California.

How about that? And you know what? I liked his stuff. Now he blew the save. And Panama won. but he was mixing his two seam. I hated pitch calling. But his stuff, go get him.

He's 34, so maybe not. Never pitching the bigs, though. Yet. Jim Morris. Never even been on a big league team, it looks like. Fuck yeah. Jake, good for you. Get a minor league deal.

He's been playing professional baseball for 11 years. Never even... Nasty? Dude, he's never even been part of an organization. Oh, wait, wait. San Diego Padres in Oakland. What am I looking at? I'm so dumb.

Dumber than Jake Sanchez. So what happened here? I'm saying I like, like I was watching him and I was like, this dude's got good stuff. We've gotten that part. But you just told us he's never been a part of Major League organization. And then he said, well, Padres and days. So it's just a little. But then I said, how dumb am I?

So I took the on that. But instead of explaining where he was, you just said, how dumb am I? I just didn't look at the sheet. I had blurry eyes or something. Do you have late years he was in either organization? Just as a point of curiosity. He was with the White Sox in 2013. White Sox, too.

Rookie ball. And then the Oakland days from 2014 to 2018. And then the Padres in 2023. I was a teammate with this guy. What's his name? Jake Sanchez. You know two seamer Jimmy likes? I don't know.

Sinkers are back. Everyone knows that. Sinkers are back. Full name Jacob Sanchez. Love that. You were a teammate with him? I don't know. I was with the eight.

during that time that you mentioned. Well, he was in a-ball. He could have been in spring training. Saw me posting up in the corner with Matthew Chapman. Yeah, it could have been. He was in AAA there. Heart rate down to 78. Okay.

I do like this quote from the Mariners' GM, Justin Hollander. I personally made more calls on this trade than I ever have on any trade before at the behest, love that word, of both my own want to add Polanco and our groups. Okay. So a nice

word and also how many trade you made, bro? That's a little much. Like, how long is Justin Holland or been at GM? I'm never going to drink again. DeHest? DePoto's, you know, let's go. Come on. How many calls? You made the phone calls for DePoto, right? I don't know. I didn't like that.

He's promoted to GM October of 22, so like we're approaching a year and a half on the job. So like, I know DePoto's like the head guy and like, you know, everybody. Yeah. Everybody makes certain calls and are we out on Justin Hollander just like that. He's like, yeah, he's not yet, but I mean, he's leaning pretty close.

That's a, come on, dude, be cool about it. Like act like you've traded before. No one in Seattle says it. He should take the lead on some more trades, man. Bahast? Yeah, no one in Seattle uses that. No chance. It's not, I don't think that's like a articulate language.

city. I don't think West, well, I'm just saying it's a West Coast city. We're not formal on the West Coast. I'm including California and I know when California says the word behest. Okay. Okay. Saved a little bit. I saved myself right there. A little bit. God. Just when Seattle was kind of letting you off the leash. Now you're back on, dude. No, they need me because I got the Polanco juice.

Yeah, the guys up in Seattle don't really use fancy words. Do you think they do? Like they're worried about climbing and hiking and spielunking and all that, those things. Like, behest is not part of that. Down the 7th. Just an I undergraduate from Ohio State in 01, got his JD from the University of San Diego in 04. Okay. So this guy also should not be using that word. Well, what about like, there's a lot of poets.

Why don't you just use whilst while you're at it? Like there's a whole like artist community and they like, you're like, you. using words that. Gosh, that's a good point, James Day. Don't. Okay. Like slam poetry? Yeah.

Yeah. I mean, it rains so much that you get sad. Mm. You have to talk about it. I mean, he's using early settler language, which is like, come on. This is the West Coast. Say the quote again? I personally made more calls on this trade than I ever have on any trade before.

at the behest of both my own want to add Polanco and our groups. At the behest of my own want. A fortnight of calls. That's nuts. How about Mike Elias saying, I pursued this with dogged determination? Now, that's a sports guy. Yeah.

That's a dog. That's sports talk. These guys are having writers now. They're having writers script out their statements. No, a dog is a good word. That's not fancy. It is a good word. Having or showing tenacity and grim persistence.

I think, Yeah, like a dog going after a bone. Is it related to dogs? Yeah. Yeah, I guess. You think you would say that in the description. It's not a commonly used word. I think it is in like football.

It's a big scathing report. Yeah, it's sports. It's a sport. Well, I think you're getting a confused. That guy's a dog. I don't know how related it is with dog. Dogged pursuit is.

I think we're just making that assumption because it makes fun. It's close enough for me. Because dogs can't. pursue? I don't think it is. I'm not seeing anything about dog. I'll go to etymology. What are you talking to root word is dog and doggin? Let's like, let's

Especially in reference to hounds seeking game in the hunt. Oh, yeah. Doggett adjective. Having the qualities of a dog meaning persistent, silently abstinent. Nothing to do with that. Silently abstinent?

Nolently abstinent. Obstinate. I don't know that word. Silently obstinate. Every sentence we've just done, we find a new word we don't know. From 1779. But it's a big sports like recruiting or like scouting. Dogged. Because it means they're not going to give up.

Bonus is a huge. Dogged pursuit. It's only using the sports section. Dogged pursuit. Okay. Mariners finish what in the AOS this year. Third. But maybe that gets some wild card.

I'm going to go separately. I'm going to go separately refusing to change one's opinion or chosen course of action. Say stubborn Dogged Anything else You want to go over some of the Other moves Justin Turner

Congratulations you're a Blue Jay I think the red is going to play off well In the uniforms I wanted to make sure I said that They did great with Dodger Blue I think it's the Blue Jays uniforms Similar color palette Don't they have a little red

That do they show the Canadian flag Or the Maple The leaf is red or something Yeah they're some red there That's nice Dude, I think they're Canada Day jerseys, the red, some of the best jerseys in baseball. Okay. So congratulations, Justin Turner.

What's going on with the fucking Blue Jays? Get a lefty Toronto. Angel signed Aaron Hicks. Congratulations, Aaron Hicks. You came back home. Twins, Carlos Santana, which is another, I told you, they already had too many people. Like, Alex Kierloff supposed to play for his base. Not Carlos Santana is playing for his base.

What are they going to do? I think there's more trades to come there. Justin Turner, D.H. Ross Stripling's going to quit baseball because he got traded to BAs. Chicken strips. So sorry. Maybe he gets to keep his apartment.

Maybe. Maybe. Probably. He's not going to move to Oakland. I don't know where he was living. There's nice neighborhoods in Oakland, but also having your car broke into is legal. Not legal, but they don't do anything about it.

Alameda, a lot of people say there. My younger sister lived in. Oakland for a while apartment got broken into twice it's like the safest neighborhood in Oakland he'dmont is that right by the lake blanket I didn't know there's a lake in Oakland yeah it's gorgeous it's actually pretty really I mean the actual thing I knew that well the ocean isn't pretty around there you gotta go up north more okay always been a geography coffee pod. Hey,

Mets got some relievers. Congratulations, guys. Merritt. Fill in the pen. It's like Merritt in Oakland? It sounds right. Marin County? That's not Oakland at all.

Yeah, like Merritt. I'd believe it. Otto Fuji and Deekman? There's a dinner squad. Sending some angles at you. Yeah, that's like my nightmare right there. Yeah, that actually sucks. I face Otavino in spring training one time and I was like,

I swung at a pitch that like land. in the left-handers batter box and I was like to fucking any part of that. Spring train. I haven't seen a slider in months and all of a sudden I get Audubino thrown behind me. Thanks.

Ray signed Phil Maton. Zero point A DRA this year. So no contract. Perfect season. The race quit. And the fact that you said the rays aren't impressive to you, you know better than to say that.

What? People are out on the race. No one cares about that. Yeah. Yeah, perfect. That's not, that's not to say they're not going to be good, Treve. It's just their polish of being fun and copied is out. People want to be like the Orioles now.

They want to rebuild and have like a fun, lively fan base and young stars that will stick around, not play in front of 5,000 people on a Tuesday, cheering on guys you don't even know. You know what? I'm going to be, I think, in Tampa early season. So I'll be at the Trump rooting my raise on. How about that?

Doubt it. Are you there representing the twins? I don't think you can root for the race. I had to know how that works anymore. Definitely not supposed to be rooting for the race. Yeah. That'd be bad. If they're not playing each other,

what does it matter? Early April, I'm going to be at the Trump. Go race, as the Minnesota twin sideline reporter. I'm not. First of all, I'm an analyst. Sorry.

Not biased. I liked when they let you play Rover last year. You're in the booth. You're on the field. Yeah. That makes one of us because I was not about that life. I was literally, I told them. I said there's one thing that I want you guys to like, no.

I'm not going to get down on my knee and hold the microphone up to Rocco's face for 10 minutes during the scrum. I'm not doing that anymore. I would seriously would have like elbow pain because I'd have to hold the microphone for like 10 minutes and I know that doesn't seem like a long time but try to hold your arm out for 10 minutes

with the microphone people and tell me how it feels. That's how Kevin lost his arm on our social time. Yeah, so I'm out. Scrums are terrible anyway. I went into Brandon Hyde scrum once as a joke for like two seconds.

I just said boring. This guy's lying to all of you. Dick Bremmer was You're asking questions you don't care about I think that's the episode Sound off Who's your favorite mariner? Put some words in the

comments that we should start using George Kirby's my favorite mariner In the landslide Oh dude he's one of my favorite Pitchers in all baseball to watch pitch Julio Uh KP Crawford gets mentioned

Starting pitchers are more You watch more I can't tell if I'm like more in on Julio or I'm out on because everyone's in on Julio so I can't really be Just just jumped up to 91 Tell Raleigh Did the music get me going? Big Dumpur