Talkin' Baseball (MLB Podcast) - Dodgers Win Another BLOWOUT to Take NLCS Lead! | 910

Episode Date: October 17, 2024

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Hello and welcome to talking baseball. The Dodgers came into flushing, and the Mets have to flush one. Blowout in Queens. Let's talk about it. Okay. Joe Hay with runners on. Hello and welcome to talking baseball. My name is Jake Story Ellie.

Trevor Plouffe. You might remember he played and he knows ball, and now he coaches ball, produced by BVD, NLC, UCS game three, a five game set. They split the first two. We're coming to New York. It's going to be rowdy. It's 53 degrees.

Wasn't the Mets night tonight. Tough second inning where they give up a couple. They didn't have to. And then they just couldn't get the big hit. Kike, that's all he seemingly does. And then it gets ugly late. We'll get into that. And we'll talk about some of the storylines of the series.

Trevor, how are you doing? I'm doing great Yeah I'm glad you brought the temperature up again Because I turned on you know FS1 to watch the game I see our favorite cast of characters And Arod and Ortiz and Jeter And they all have like

OJ gloves on it's the only way like I know Like leather gloves Like I'm just saying like it's not that cold guys Like am I I'm from California And people call me soft all the time But there's no way I'm wearing gloves

There's no way. I think you're wearing gloves on set. I think that I am just, I don't know what it is. I'm fixated on the temperature out there in New York. I don't know why everyone thinks it's so cold. I don't know. Come out.

There might be, LA might be playing a few games in New York coming up. Let's get into it. Let's get into the game. I mean, there's this game as a whole, not a ton to chew on, but a couple storylines, whether it's Bueller, Alvarez,

we'll get into that, and then we will tee up tomorrow night's game as well for Dodgers and the Mets. Let's burn it quick. The best of the West would face the beat to the east and beautiful flushing New York Dodgers fans, hoping Walker Bueller wouldn't walk or have an off day like his last name would imply, while Mets fans were excited to grab a bevy and watch some SEVY as Luis takes the hill. Top two, sloppy D from Haley Welch's Mets. Tay Oscar hits one about two feet, but Tate McCrae Alvarez gets greedy, throws to second, no out, Sevy Bobble, infield hit.

Dodgers get two on the board. Mets with action on in the second and the third, but Lord of the Rings, the Moxie King, returns. Fuehler gets out of it. Four shut from him and that well-rested Dodgers pen set up cup pumps for everyone. Kike does it again, two-run homer, four-nothing Dodgers. In the eighth, you ain't got to go home, but you got to get the hell up out of here. Showtime.

Otani three-run homer, little thick Max Muncie sent one out. Dodgers win a blowout, eight-nothing to take game. You're just real aged up over there. I can tell. Okay. I was excited to get a Lord of the Rings line in for you. I like that. And I was excited to tell the people about Tommy John. You guys know I love my Tommy John's.

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that's not what we're talking about I was having a different convoy I guess um Drev note taken Trev where do you want to bring us uh okay I think my main takeaway here first I thought like Sebi kind of got erratic a little bit there

I thought the stuff looked good but he was just kind of you know four walks and four and two thirds and I thought the Dodgers did a good job of not chasing out of the zone on some tough pitches but I thought the stuff looked good and then

I guess that was my main question coming into that was how are these two guys going to look? I mean, there's question marks for both of them. Walker, I thought, man, like, this is going to be a hot take or not. I don't know. I mean, what is a hot take? I just say things that I think of. Nice. I think that's speech.

That's language. Having Walker look like this. I know he only went four innings, but he did strike out six. I believe he had 13 or 14 swings and misses. It was a little bit of vintage Walker. And not that I'm giving the Yankees the series and saying they're in the World Series. But what I'm saying is,

I wasn't sure that the Dodgers could really line up with them without the starting pitching, like kind of figuring it out. And dude, if Walker Bueller can put together a start like this and kind of even build on it, it makes me think, wow, like, they have, and not that they didn't before, but I feel like a real deal World Series like shot here.

Coming into the game, I'm still questioning the Dodgers, like, do they have enough pitching? We know the bullpen's good. Is it going to get exposed in these three games? If Walker goes out there and gives up, you know, it doesn't look great and he goes one and two thirds and it just can compound itself in these seven game sets. I wasn't that confident.

If you're a Dodgers fan, you were confident. Kudos to you, man. I don't know how you could be necessarily. But Walker, looking the way that he looked, has got me like very, like I feel really confident, like in the Dodgers' chances. Like the offense obviously was going to be there. And we know that they can pair down the bullpen

and can compete with anybody. But the starting pitching scared me. And it kind of settled my fears on that tonight. and I mean he it was cool to see dude you know we talked about that you know him kind of Bueller I'm talking about he was the guy that was going to be you know the next kershaw for the Dodgers in the postseason big game Walker Bueller game one of every series he was going to be that guy and then obviously he dealt with a bunch of injuries man he's back and tonight he made some really good pitches when he had to make him a huge strike out of

went door on a nasty curb all. Like he, it looked like vintage Walker Bueller and it was cool to see. Yeah, I'm, I'm hesitant to fight you a little bit. And it's because Dodger fans, A, I think Dodger fans are getting ready for potential Dodgers Yankees, so people are starting to draw their swords out. And I did some like met streams with Jolly that they're like, oh, New York. I very much enjoy the Dodgers. The Hall of Fame started the lineup, the depth.

all of it, whatever. I didn't think Bueller looked great. I know he had the swing and miss for a chunk tonight, but we also had a pretty big zone tonight where if we had a hitter's hump, I think this game goes a lot differently for both starters, to be fair. And at the same time, I do want to compliment water. Like when he had to get out of it, he did. Like you mentioned with Lindor and in the inning after that, there was action on the basis.

So, like, I thought, I think Walker Bueller can pitch. Like, I think Walker Bueller has stuff, and he pitched solely out of the stretch after his first couple batters, because he didn't have it out of the windup, which just shows, like, okay, I'm glad I'm landing here because he deserves a ton of credit, because he admits, like, his arm and body doesn't feel the same pitching still. And he's out here in the NLCS getting four shutouts. So I do want it to be complimentary. but like I don't know we were also an Alvarez or a Lindor

swing away from this potentially being a bad start Jake you have three hits right you get up two infield hits a check swing by Nemo like a ball that Edmund couldn't scoop at shortstop and the flare to right field that Mookie almost had those are the only three hits he gave up

like you could say he didn't look like you know freaking Garrett Cole on his best night whatever you Yankee fan Okay, here we go. There we go. We're getting started. But like, dude, what a huge step forward, is all I'm saying. So, again, that's kind of like my first initial takeaways,

takeaway from today. And then, yeah, if you want to go over the game and what happened, you know, top of the second, you know, a couple misplays there. Francisco Alvarez, bad read, tries to get Monty at second base. You know, that kind of opens a floodgates up. Sevy boots the ball all of a sudden, you know, there's a sack fly, it's 2-0. And the Dodgers are really good when they score first.

And we know the Mets have the comeback kid stuff going on, but allowing teams to score first on some defensive miscus, man, you just, like, the playoffs, you can't do that. A-Rod said it before the game. Defense wins championships. I think he's thinking about football. Pretty sure that's what they mean by that. I don't know, man.

It was that. It was Bueller giving them enough. and then, you know, maybe Dave Roberts is smart and he didn't use his A bowl pen and game too, but today he did. I mean, Copac comes in, Brazier comes in, trying it, and then our buddy, Casperius, comes in and does his job as well, three K's and two innings.

In the Mets had four hits. I mentioned the three of them were just kind of like, you know, under, what, under 80 miles and now? What was the one against Brazier? I don't even know. That was the Marte single to right.

So give credit to the Dodgers pitchers, Mets offense didn't show up tonight. We've had a, this has been a bad series essentially. Like, let's be real. It's been not a great series. We've had a blowout by the Dodgers in game one. We had the Mets, you know, basically putting the game away with the Vento's

Grand Slam, although like a little bit of stuff from the Dodger at the end. And then we had this one. So it's we, I think, collectively were thinking this was going to be answer back, bang, bang, series, and it just hasn't been that so far. Yeah, a couple things. Both starting pitchers, it was funny.

We actually got two decent midgame interviews, which I know we like to be tough on the midgame interviews, because baseball fans are kind of like, just, we're here to watch the baseball. Dave Roberts admitted that Kopec was going to come in for Lendor, like before the inning. And everyone was like, wow, that's kind of cool. That was a cool update.

And then I laughed. You mentioned Severino was a little wild tonight. they interviewed Mendoza and in Yankee land, Aaron Boone never says a bad thing about the player. He always dances around it. Like, you know, if they interviewed Boone about this Severino start, Boone would go,

oh, you know, I think he's throwing the ball really well. You know, I think his slider's moving a lot. I think his fastball's moving a lot. Mendoza was like, yeah,

Seve's pretty wild with the fastball right now. And I was like, well, it's kind of nice to hear managers talk honestly and open. I think the Mets got broken in the Kopeck inning because they gave a couple balls a ride. Like you're saying they din it against Bueller, which is totally fair. And I think I need to give him more credit for that, not a ton of hot shots. But Kopec, they sent a couple balls to the track that I think after that happened,

the bats were pretty deflated. And then obviously Kiki, dude, he's their nine hitter. and if you're doing postseason batters over the past four or five years, he is one of the best. And he's only playing because Miggie Roe went down. So it's where the postseason is wild. And I think front office executives don't know how to give each other credit. Because, you know, how much credit should the Dodgers get for keeping Kiki around and now here he is ball and out in playoffs?

Like I think a lot. But also, I don't. the computers don't compute any of this. Yeah, he's been, I mean, he's been great. Yeah, you said if it wasn't for Rojas being injured, he probably wouldn't be in, and now he's not coming out. There was some crucial times.

I mean, the Mets did have a chance. We mentioned the bottom of the second. They had bases loaded. Francisco Alvarez comes up. I think we're going to talk about him a little bit later. First pitch swinging, just let's go to bat. I mean, at a time where you really got to tell yourself, chill out and just simplify your approach,

not so much for him. K and then Lindor 3-2 curb ball that was nasty for Bueller so we saw him get emotional there and then again like you mentioned it was Kopeke and Linder

good swing like lined out to left field Viantos warning track opposite field you know fly out to Kiki so that was great and maybe the Mets are thinking hey we're putting some good wood on the on the ball and maybe things are going to turn around and then yes the next thing top of the six is one Kiki

two run homers. It's the splitter up. Six pitch of the bat and does it. I guess, you know, then for the Mets, bottom of the six. Marte single, J.D., walk, and you have Iglesias up there. And now he's got a chance to get an inning going. Yeah. Okay, like, let's get a run here.

Let's start shipping away, grounded in the double play. You know, I think Brazier was on the ropes there a little bit, and they kind of let him get out of it. And that was basically, that was basically it. I mean, Otani comes up in the 8th and just absolutely demolishes the ball, ends the game right then and there, points to the dugout.

There's some crazy stuff I wrote that when he got up. Still hitless with nobody on in the playoffs. Yeah. And there was people on at bat. And he got fully extended 116 off the bat. He doesn't hit a ball. Like when he hits it, man. 116 miles and out of the bat is crazy

Go look at this year and how many balls Got hit over 115 miles an hour That's reserved for like The guys And he just seemingly does it all the time So I don't know This was again Mets had a few chances But really this was just another one of those games

Where the Dodgers got out in front And they didn't look back man Max Monty Homer's late his final box score looks really good. And, you know, he... Two per two, three walks. That's a Max Muncie fucking line right there. He hits cleanup in this game.

Like, that's big for them. And yeah, you know, I want to talk bullpen strategy. I want to talk Alvarez a little bit. I know it was controversial that JD got the start in this game. And for the Mets, I think they mostly wanted Winkers. but yeah, you know, for this game, okay, I'll give a little more credit to Walker Bueller for not allowing any loud stuff. And dude, trinan, bro.

I know it kind of was what it was at that point of the game, but he, he, look out. Certain guys, when they're fully clicking in the postseason, you can just tell. And he is one of those guys right now. and yeah, if you're a box score person, go look at the Mets. You know, wherever you look at your box score, it usually has like doubles pop up and homers and RBI and sack flies and everything. There's literally nothing in the Mets side.

So it's not what you want. All right, let's tee up tomorrow a little bit. And I also want to talk about some topics. The Dodgers bullpen, Francisco Alvarez. And it's all brought to us by Mountain Dew. grab a do this postseason. Going to the game, Mountain Dew, staying at home,

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Because the bullpen is the conversation. You did mention, you know, if Walker Bueller can be like this, that's probably enough. Yamamoto's coming off a great start. And so is Jack Flaherty that it's like, wait, do the Dodgers have? three starting pitchers, which that's a lot this postseason. And I thought the thing that's interesting, and it's where baseball is always evolving, and it's why people got frustrated with the shift because baseball didn't evolve at all. You know, Jimmy sent us an article today that was talking about reliever usage in the bullpen.

And it's, you know, it's kind of the starting pitcher information, but with relievers. Like that third time you see them is super impactful. And, you know, for all these teams, that are using a lot of relievers, you know, over a seven-game set, that's a tricky dance. What I thought was interesting, the counterpunch, and Roberts talked about this a little bit, he hasn't had the same relieversy, the same hitter. So, again, now that's a nice perk because these games have been blowouts. And, you know, Kopeck, Trinen, Hudson, Brazier, like sometimes those parts can be a little interchangeable.

But I think it's just good to know and talk about as like, this is baseball bouncing back. Like we went to use your bullpen. And the other thing was like, you know, you don't necessarily even need a true closer. Like, hey, if the heart of the lineup's coming up in the eighth inning, use your best guy. I'm starting to think the strategy might be altering a little bit again to just make sure the hitters don't see that pitcher. Yeah, I mean, I think, yes, over time when you're a hitter and you're a hitter, seeing a guy through a series, you know, even in a regular season series. It was a four-game set and you see a reliever three times during it. That third time, hey, man, like, I've seen what your

stuff does. I know where the tunnels need to be, all those good things. So there is a lot of validity to what goes on there. I do think there are times where a reliever is just so good that you're just going to run them out there, where his stuff is so good that he'll just dominate a game. We see that all the time, especially throughout the playoffs. So there is a balancing act. And that's where that's where managers have to make decisions. That's the biggest thing. That's the biggest thing. Because you can run the numbers.

You can have all these lanes and all these things. But a lot of the time it still is eye test with these relievers coming in. Okay. Look, we have the statcast. We understand exactly what their Velo's doing, the pitch shape, everything. You can look at the data in real time and see, okay, this is, is he fatiguing, whatever it is. But they're still like, what's the guy in the box look like against him? How are the takes? How are the swings?

You know, if you see a guy. I mean, I mentioned this when I saw Copick face Machado and Merrill in one of the first games in that series. These guys are taking big swings against him. I don't know if he should face them again. He ended up facing him again, got him out. But that's what managers have to do in these situations. So a couple things. I do think the last three outs are still important.

And these guys will tell you that. And like sometimes you just have to trust. players. I know a lot of people will say no players don't know. They don't know what they're doing. Right. That's a common thing, especially in hitting. But those guys will tell you, man, the last three outs are different. So I think there still is that aspect to it. You can't just put anybody out there, even if it's 7, 8, 9, I think there's still a little bit of juice there. If I was a manager, I do like to put fires out. I do like to line my guys up with, you know, the middle of the order. but you're right I think

especially when there's three games in a row like this you can't just hey you're going to see these three guys and that's it if you have the ability to mix a match you do it my question really for the bullpen for the Dodgers is and I guess it's kind of a Dodgers heavy episode we got to talk some Mets a little bit

but they are going Yamamoto and then Flaherty I don't think I would throw Flaherty game five I know that sets them up on regular rest. I think I would go bullpen game, depending on how

this goes with Yamamoto. Right. I think I would go bullpen game in game five because then you get the off day after, then you can rest everybody, and then you have Jack for game six, which is already guaranteed for the Dodgers. You have Jack for game six and a rested

bullpen. Now, let's say Jack throws, it goes back to LA. The bullpen game doesn't go the way they want it to go. Now of a sudden you're going game seven with like a tired bullpen. I don't know man. It just seems to me like I would line up my bullpen days

as much as possible with that off day following. Dave Roberts, I'm sure has a reason for it. I'm assuming it's just keeping Jack on regular rest. I'm assuming that's what it is. I was just thinking about that. I thought for sure they'd be going bullpen game, game five, but apparently that is not the case.

I think they announced it, right? It's interesting. I see what you're saying. you know, if the Dodgers win tomorrow, Yamamoto Kintana, for the talking baseball real ones, I mean, that's, that's kind of an electric playoff star with how good Kintana has been lately and just the whole Yamamoto story. What's the last thing you gave up a run, Kintana? It's been a lot. No need.

No need. What's that about it? I think he was on the white socks in 2018. Like, he's just stopped doing that. You had to have a lot of Kintana and bats. A lot of Kintana. We'll get research on that. I think.

I think I do know. I associate myself with having really good numbers against Canton, and I don't. Okay. Lefty, like, you know. Right. But I don't. I mean, we've definitely done this before. I think he's blowing my doors off, like, quite a bit. I'm excited for that. Yeah, and the story could change, but also probably not. It looks like research has it. Oh, research doesn't have it. It's okay. I guess for me, hand coming from. you, Trevor. I guess for me, dude, it's what you just said about the bullpins. Manage it. Like, who knows what tomorrow's going to bring? You know, you could have a 15 inning game. You could get your doors blown off. You could blow their doors off. Manage it. And it's the same thought process with the bullpen. Like, sometimes we get too religious with the numbers where it's like, hey, maybe you have to, if you have a reliever that throws 90% one pitch, maybe you have to be a little more careful letting him see the same guys. If you have a three-pitch mix reliever, maybe that guy can be a little more fluid.

For Jack, I think it's a situation of, dude, if they can close out the series, say they win tomorrow, and you can throw Jack on regular rest, you do it. and if it's a 2-2 series and you need to win a game, I think you kind of have to throw out Jack on regular rest. So I don't know. I just talked myself out of it. Yeah, okay. Who knows that Jack ends up starting in game five.

Maybe they can divert their plan, depending on what happens tomorrow. You never know. The good news is from BPD, 9 for 31 Homer 2 doubles 857 OPS for you versus Kintana

That's pretty nice There's another lefty that I'm thinking of That I just don't have good numbers again So maybe it's Erod He did strike you at 10 times So it was kind of a clear winner Either way it seems like I think ERAD is the guy

I think ERA is what I'm thinking about Yeah Sorry And yeah Dave Roberts said That Yamamoto For tomorrow today's game whenever you're listening and Flaherty in game five. So on the Dodgers side, I mean, hey, again,

they're trying to get four, five, six out of Yamamoto, get it to this good bullpen again, win a game. The lineup is looking strong for them. I mean, Lux kind of isn't clicking, but everyone else is kind of getting on base or showing signs. Freddie hobbling around a little bit, and it's, you know, it's not pretty on that. double play they turned like Freddie was looking hurt hurt.

For the Mets, obviously you watch this game. Like I think they talked about after the Dodgers got, was it the, or the Mets got blown out in game one and they had like a bus party. And it's like sometimes athletes are just ridiculous. Like, I don't know. I love a bus party. I know. There's nothing better than that.

There's always a DJ on the bus. It's you have to have one. So it depends on, you know, your team who it is. But Trev, there's not a lot of people that walk away from a bus party day and said I had an awful time. No. Like, unless you're on there for too long and, you know, drinks start coming back up. But, dude, I don't know. If you're the Mets, you obviously need Kintana to continue just not giving up any runs.

And then, yeah, I guess for me, because I look at the Mets lineup and they've had some, you know, I mentioned the D.H decision. You know, Tyrone Taylor and Bader. was kind of a thing. That's kind of out now. The only thing in Metzland that I'm like, God, you got to, dude, Alvarez, man, that's a kid who's over his skis right now. And he's in a funk and it just, you see all the telltale signs of a slump. Like he takes the big swing at the pitch he shouldn't. And then, you know, I think Bueller threw him kind of a hanger for strike two over the middle that he just watched.

He threw his bat after he comes up to the plate And they're like, yeah, you know, the Mets coaching staff Was talking how they talked to Alvarez and you know, told him to kind of take it take it easier up there as he throws his bat. What do you do with a young player in this spot? You just have to get it across to him like It should have happened a while ago. Sometimes you have to sacrifice one at bat to get yourself feeling back

in where you need to be. So, you know, maybe in that game where they dominated the Dodgers like you're taking a bat and you just you try to get jammed essentially. Like what he's doing right now, he's just, he's flying open, he's not really seeing the ball deep.

He's got, his recognition phase is basically gone. So you just really have to, at some point, you can try to do it in BP as much as possible, try to work in the cage as much as possible, like seeing things, deep. I always say do it in the game. It's tough to do that in the playoffs. Like giving away any of bats in the playoffs is not,

I wouldn't recommend it. But what he's doing right now, like you said, today, three Ks and he looks a little overmatched. You've got to see the ball deep, especially when you get up in that situation that you do with bases loaded one out. It's so hard to tell yourself to chill out. It's so hard to say, man, all I got to do is let the ball travel, put my barrel on it,

the good things are going to happen. You get up there and you're like, I got a chance to hit a grand slam here. If I put it in the gap, think about how crazy this crowd is going to go. I could be a hero. Those are all thoughts in your mind as well. And the veterans can stop those thoughts

because they know those thoughts don't lead to the good things. Right. Like when you have the opposite effect, when you're thinking about, hey, good at bat, good at bat, good team at bat, that's when the good things happen. So I think he,

I always tell people during a time where you're feeling like you're flying out and you're not having that recognition phase. High-velo takes in the cage. Just get in there, train your eyes to see the ball going 105 miles an hour and try to be as smoothly on time as possible. It's a term I like to use, like just smoothly on time with that. And then when you get in the game, you know, things aren't 105 miles an hour. So it slows down a little bit. The game's fast for him right now, even behind the plate. So that's what I would do.

They obviously need him. Their bottom of the lineup has not been great. And we're getting the Dodgers have kind of seen a little bit of the opposite, man. Like Kike at the bottom has been awesome. And then like Edmund has been, I think, such a pest and like so fun to watch in these playoffs. You know, we didn't even really talk about that Tyrone Taylor catch, which was awesome and saved the bunch of runs. But that at bat first and third, you know, Edmund's flashing bun. And he's like, I can do it this way or I can.

can almost hit a three-run Jack. Like he's so versatile and so fun. But the Dodgers have gotten, you know, I'm looking right now, 8-9, 321 average for Edmund. Obviously not a lot of slug, but 321 average for him, 33 for Kiki. I mean, that's a stark contrast from, you know, Tyrone Taylor 138, Bader 143, Alvarez 143.

Like turning the lineup over is very, important in these series. The Mets haven't been able to do that yet. Yeah, like that was their only rally today. Alvarez can't get it and Bueller throws a couple nice curveballs to Lendor. Yeah, and I guess how about Trev, this is being full circle. This is us being just nice at it. I'm Chris Rose's pupil.

Tomorrow, the game two conversation and the combo we just had, Obviously, we talk about playoff game, get the lead. If you're the Mets, the last time you got blown out in a shutout, Lindor hit a solo homer, you guys went up 6-0. Good formula for playoff wins. Put that in your analytics. Trev, I guess what I'm excited to see, say the Mets do go up, 203-1, something like that.

How aggressive are they with the bullpen? Because we just kind of did this conversation that, God, NLCS game 4, it starts turning into that. You can only be saving your bullpen for so much. They try to do it again today. Mendoza, that's kind of been his strategy. If they get down early, you know, he brought in Reed Garrett today to keep the game close.

He said it in that one interview, give my team a chance, give my offense a chance. Reed ends up giving the home route to Kike. So the game end up kind of getting away from there. But I think that is his mentality. And I do think he will be super aggressive with the bullpen if they get the lead. I do.

depending on what Kintana looks like. Because these games are starting to get must win for the Mets. They are. Sure. Do you think there's any chance the Dodgers, if the Dodgers were down, that they do kind of like the super not aggressive approach again? Possibly. Right.

Dave talk about like, hey, we don't want to overexpose our bullpen. I think it just depends, man. The game situation matters a ton. If they get down, like, I don't know. what the threshold is. I don't think 2-0 is a big enough threshold to kind of go to your secondary bullpen, but if they're down 3-0 and Yamamoto doesn't look like you had it, then I bet we see Brent Honey will come in there and try to mop up some innings. I bet we see that. I was just going to say, kind of feels like my new doppel gang. Yeah. Honey. Like, yeah,

and 3 was the number in my head. I was going to throw out a 4-1 game. Like, from everything, we've seen. You're not seeing Kopeck. You're not seeing maybe Hudson. We talked about. Yeah. Hudson was, he needed some time. I guess he came up a little sore after the first game and he needed that time off. He didn't pitch game two, got the

off day, didn't pitch tonight. So he should be good to go. I'm curious if they kind of like have him as the guy that's like similar to Reed Garrett for the Mets, keep the game close for the offense. He might be the first one out of the bullpen possibly.

You know, put a fire out, give them an inning in a third or something like that. And then, you know, we could see a Honeywell or even, I don't think a knack would come back into this equation yet, but possibly. Yeah. My guy, Ben Casperius at the game here. Yeah, I, I don't know. We, for baseball purposes, kind of can't have another blowout. And I will say for the first four innings, five innings for a two nothing game, the action was good. Action was good. There's some good plays.

Marte, that Marte hit by pitch, Mookie's diving for a ball. Linder had a nice play short. I think that was, it could have been a lot different, man. It could have been first and third, one out instead. You know, it's not. It's two outs. So yeah, I mean, look, there were some good basically in play, but we haven't had. the good finish to a game. It's been boring.

We wanted to start this, the show early. And they think, hey, let's get this thing going. It's great. We don't want that. We don't want that.

We don't want that. We don't want that. Love you, John Smolz, love you, Treb, love you bebes. We will be back tomorrow. There will be a Talking Yanks live stream on Talking Yanks. Go check that out. And then we'll be doing Talking Baseball.

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