Talkin' Baseball (MLB Podcast) - Final All-JM of 2025! | 1078

Episode Date: December 29, 2025

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Hello and welcome to talking baseball. You've asked, it's time. All-J-M. Final. Who's getting daisies? Let's talk ball. Hunter Brown. Stolen base, Terrence Gore.

Hello and welcome to talking baseball. One of the last talking baseballs of 2025. I am Jake Storelli. That is Trevor Plouffe. Rob Chiracos here. Dalton Feeley. is in the lab. We might have to tap into the Johnboy for a couple deciding picks.

And he's kind of been on one, so I wouldn't be surprised. Rob, you might have to get that other camera planned because he's been playing fast and loose lately. I don't know if it's the holidays or whatever it is. But Coach Trev, we're here awarding the best of the best with the most prestigious baseball award show. How are you? I'm doing great. I'm excited for all of the.

these guys who made the sheet. Number one, making the sheet is an accomplishment in its own right. But for the guys that are going to get a pedal today, we're looking at an unprecedented amount of silver daisies, I believe, this year. So, yeah, I mean, there's some difficult discussions. There's some really easy ones, but you're right. Everyone's been clamoring. Give us the final all-JM team. Give it to us. And you know what we like to do? We like to give it. That doesn't get you going on the family road trip or sitting by the fireplace. We do. Look out for our new merch store coming up.

We like to give it. Jam slash line. Go check it out. Coach, I mean, do we dive right in? I guess we should do a little, because, you know, this is kind of going to be, we think this is going to be over the holidays when we release this. I guess if this is what you're tuning into, all throughout the season, we award the best players through that point of the season.

So at the end of April, we give out the all-j-j-M team of April. In April and May, it's the best players from April and May. We do each league, every position. And I forget how we got there. I think it was the beautiful brain of Jimmy John Boy O'Brien. but as he saw each month, he viewed it as a daisy. And if you win a month, you essentially get a pedal. And every year, there's a couple players who were the best start to finish at their position.

And that is the most prestigious award in the sport, the Silver Daisy. We've seen a few in the past couple years. Do we have those listed somewhere? It truly is the hardest award to win in this sport. because you can't have a bad April. You can't have a bad June. Oh, June swoon. You can't do it.

No. Like this is from start to finish. Pole to pole, you were the best at your position. So, Coach, I think we got three this year. We have three this year. We had a lot last year, which had people concerned. Al, Juan Soto, and Gunner Henderson. We had more last year.

Judge actually didn't have it. have it last year. No, bad April. Because he had a bad April. So if you were lost, now you know. In the NL, William Contreras, Cotell Marte, Jerks, and Profar, and Shohei did it last year. So it was kind of, we were nervous. Jerks and Profar got a silver daisy last year? People, dude, he was amazing last year. Start to finish. You know what? I remember going through it and nobody could dethrone him. And we kept saying that like if you take if he's on track for the daisy you got to take him down and nobody stepped up. I guess it's an interesting thing.

Is that an asteris, Daisy? It is. Yeah. Right. Right. Going back to the origin of this, A, Jimmy's always disliked All-Star games. Nah, I shouldn't say it that way. That's rude to my guy.

All-star games can be deceptive because you could have two good first months and the rest of your season could be bad. and it might not represent who you are as a player. Or, yeah, between... I'm on that train, coach. I am on the train for that. It is 100% true. I am also on the train. So I don't want to point the finger there.

I just do think, you know, if you're a player that, if you're a three-time all-star player, there's very few of those that are loopholes. Like, there's not a ton of guys that are like, oh, yeah, three-time all-star. He wasn't very good. Like, no, like usually, usually the math equation of it ends up balancing out,

But every year we do know there's one or two players that maybe made the team, whether it's injury or shouldn't have been made the team or they just have a brutal second half because that's how this game works. I'll tell you what it is. And most players, 99% would agree. I don't think the players like that every team is represented. I understand it for the fans. Yeah.

Okay, so there's some of that aspect. Hey, we got to have a guy on. Then, yes, it is like the fact that all. And people are going to say I'm a hater. Yeah. Which is fine. Which is fine. The fact that two months can get you an all-star badge that you put on for the rest of your life, coach.

Yeah. Yeah. Right. And you didn't finish out the year strong. And I hate myself that I never was an all-star because God, yeah, I would be throwing that in your face every day. Could you imagine? Could you imagine 2014 All-Star Trevor Plouffe? I was pretty close to a few years, man.

I know. Never got the job done. Thanks, Josh Donaldson. Why do you, I mean, say a catcher. Right. He's starting to be a media man now. Hey, come for the throne here, buddy. Ain't happening. Yeah. Well, you're in this world, you're a 70-30 guy. Wow. That's, that's a reference of three people, yeah, but that's why we do it. Love you, Josh. Love you, Josh. Interesting guy. I'd love to get him unfiltered for an hour. He's always unfiltered. Do you see his wedding photos on Instagram? It was, it was, it was, it was, it was sexy. It looked like a Latin, like, wedding. Like, shirt, tarps were off.

He's the guy, now Bobby's on it already. There was money flying around. And that's where we start the 2025 all-j-M team with the retired Josh Donaldson. I think I want to dive in a little differently this year, Coach, because one of the things that's usually funny with this show, when we do it during the year, sometimes the big names get caught up in the riffraff that it's like, oh, we spend an hour debating

NL second base between Terang Horner and someone else that we get to Shohei and we're like, oh, Shohei was great this year. Good job, Shoah. Not to get too far ahead from the people, because we haven't revealed our full voting. We did a little, we did a little scouting report beforehand. there are three people getting Silver Daisies this year and they're the exact three people you'd expect.

Like when we go back into the vault and we look at the 2025 season, there should be three people that like you talk about. When we're old heads and they're doing future DVDs, the three guys we're going to be talking about are Cal Raleigh, Aaron Judge, and Shoehl. Joe Hay Otani, our three silver daisy winners, which again, coming off of last year, we thought maybe we were too generous to the people. This year, it feels like our math worked out perfectly.

Oh, boy. Judge is getting a silver daisy? Yeah. We're going to see him. Dude, Judge Rally Otani. We crushed it this year about the other two. No, I'm just joking. Fast and loose.

It was a joke. Stop crying. He did say that. He said, do not be shocked if John makes an appearance this episode. He's been playing a little fast and loose lately. I was in there. I heard you. That's awesome.

We're seeing Judge. We're supposed to be doing something with Judge as a big reveal. It's not confirmed at all. Oh. But something I wanted to do this year, Jake knows this, is I want to actually make awards and get them delivered to the players. Well, we've been talking about that for years. Yeah.

But I even like the week. Weird ass awards that you've given in the past. Like if we know that like someone's coming to town for the Mets and we send Joe's to the stadium to deliver the like, I was going to use an example that we probably can't say anymore. It was going to go to Olson. Like what you guys give out on talking Yanks and we do at the end of talking baseball? Yeah, yeah, those weird ass awards. Like all your Lord of the ring. A Tolkien Baseball award?

A Tolkien Baseball award. Like actually get some sort of figurine walk into the clubhouse and hand it to the guy and watch them throw it in the track. or something like that. But we get Judge of Silver Daisy. I think he'd like it. We do our first asterisk, Silver Daisy. I don't know if you know that. Why?

Last year, Jerks and ProFar won one. Oh. Yeah. So do we do that in our hall here? Are we doing an asterisk? I feel like if you run the whole season without getting caught. That's baseball. Like when Melky got caught, it was a little of the season.

I think he did. Yeah, but after all the numbers were completed, you know what I mean? Like you can't. It was locked in. Yeah. Like if I eat my dinner and then afterwards you're like, that's actually you didn't pay for that. It's like, well, I ate it. It's in my, you can't take back that I ate it.

Like he did those numbers. He did those numbers. I go to Barry Bond's baseball reference page. Tell me what you see. the numbers are still there. He's still got the bolt. Facts. Facts.

Now, like, if we were going to award few... Maybe he doesn't get a chain. If, like, you're going to award Silver Daisy's five years retrospective, like, we're not voting jerked and pro far into the Silver Daisy Hall of Fame. Maybe we do some, like, 3D art. I can't take back what he did. We do some 3D art, like, those words that, like,

if you read them backwards and forth, like those tattoos that are, like, two different things. Like maybe his daisy is also an asterisk. Oh, that's cool. Yeah. Oh, yeah. I mean, a daisy and an asterisk do look alike. Right.

Very much. Yeah. They're cousins. He might be a guy that Joe's doesn't want to deliver to. You don't tell the whole story. Is he going to be in the WBC? I told Joe's USA's going to wax that Dominican. Oh.

Wait. Oh. And then Japan will win the whole thing. Yeah. Mirakami can't hit fastballs. Oh, we're hearing. That's why he went to the L Central, though. Yeah.

Crazy. The White Sox passed on McNeil, but got Murakami. That's a hunch. That's not the, I'm not reporting anything. It's not reported. It's just a hunch.

It's just using the context clues. Yeah. They're selling tickets. The White Sox? Merakami. Maybe corporate events and stuff. He looks good. He looks good in the pinstrived jersey.

They look good in the uni. Did he? It was a Photoshop, but he looked good. Yeah. He had a bad sock pun and his press conference didn't love that. Someone, that's ill-advised. Yeah, someone wrote that for him, right? Yeah, it's tough.

Boris? See a Boris guy? Boris would write that. All right, well, congrats the judge. That got to be fired up. He deserved it. And to Cal Rale and to show it. But show A's surely gotten one before, right?

Last year. Yeah. Last year. Judge missed it last year. Bad April. Bad first month. He did. He had a really bad first month.

He had a really good year. Who got him? Somebody hilarious got judged in the first month last year. Was it like Brent Rooker or something like that? It's on that sheet somewhere. Oh, here, regular. That's the beauty of the first monthers. Was it Stephen Kwan?

That's not as hilarious. No, they would... Tucker? Tucker Trout Soto won it. Okay, that's no shame in now. No, there's somebody else. Now, you're thinking of the year before that when Brent Rooker won D.H.

And... Jellick won in April of 20203. April's a tough month. I mean, this year's April guys that stand out. Christian Campbell Got sent down. Never heard of them. Just joking.

I could never. Guys. I will never forget watching him play defense. I know. We joke on this show. Cedric Mullins, who ended up flipping leagues and didn't end up there. Ben Rice.

Ben Rice was a guy for a while. Junghu Lee in the National League is the one that jumps off. Brendan Donovan. Carson Kelly. Remember how magic his in April was. So yeah, this was us highlighting the best play. players in the league with a little jiz Murakami.

Just a little pinch of that. I'll get to designing the daisies. Okay. I'm just thinking of daisy pendant, right? Yeah. On a chain. Yeah. Yes.

Fake gold and stuff. If there's something that could make it. If there's... That was the stuff. If there's something... No, yellow can be gold. If there's something that could make Judge feel not weird about it. wearing it for a picture, that would be nice.

I think that to get them to actually wear it in picture, it has to be either very cool, inexpensive, or utterly ridiculous. I think you know, I think you know our vote. Okay. And if we want to make, like,

news with this, we go Flav-a-Flave-Clock size. Right. Right? I wasn't thinking that. We just need Vinnie Paz. We just need it for a picture, Trev. We just need pass.

I think we could do, I think we could team up with a jeweler. We need Pasquantino or like Mickey. I think there's a middle ground there. There's lots of jewelers in New York. There's a middle ground between this office. Crazy expensive and then silly. This office before we moved in here, it was a jewelry,

a family that made jewelry and sold it to Macy's because they're right across the street. For like 50 years. Maybe. All right. Congrats to Judge and Cal Raleigh and Otani. Silver's way up though. That's the only problem. Yeah.

It is. Yeah. It is. Yeah. 173% this year. Do they come down, uh, start of the new year?

It's like they reset. Good. I think so. All right. We might be checking in with you, Jimmer. Yes. All right. Today's episode is sponsored by Draft King's Casino.

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Crom potted up, if you will. A.O. Catcher is the first position listed. Obviously, Cal Raleigh, historic season. in the AL MVP to judge. The final numbers for him are pretty insane. Hey, is it the best catcher season ever? Like, I know we kind of talked about this throughout the year. I'm so not good with questions like that.

I know. That's Chris Rose. 60 homers, 110 run score, drove in 125, almost walked 100 times. The guy had 705 plate appearances, coach. Right. That's crazy. The 159 games played 121 at catcher 38 at DH. So the guy was on the field.

He was posting. Yeah. I guess it has to go down as like the best offensive season by, I don't know. You're right. The most powerful season by a catcher ever. We'll have all off season. Please DM Chris Rose and ask him where Caleralee season lands on the catcher pantheon.

It snaps for Cal Raleigh. Shout out Sal Perez, who I believe he's won a Silver Daisy in the past. I think he has, or at least was close, 30 to 100 season out of him. That's crazy. And still the same guy. I got to see him in Kansas City this year and just like, big smile, having a great time. Still big, sound for 30 years. I think the one that I'll, if you're going to give your shout out to Shea, Alejandro Kirk,

great. Dylan Dingler, a very nice year. One that kind of got overlooked because he finished incredibly. Shea Languiliers, again, we'd spent so much time trying to get his name right. 536 slug, he finished the year with 31 Taters. That a great year out of the Oakland. He's got to be doing like historic catcher stuff because he just hits 20, 25, 30 homers a year as a young catcher. like that doesn't just happen. I'll look into that another time.

Or just DM Chris Rose. If Dalton's there, I need to him to look this up because I'm looking at South Press. He just took him out of the room. 30 and 100 for Sal. He was worth 0.5B war, 0.4F4 on the season. I believe there was a Rugnett-Odor season that he did something very similar. 30 Jackson was just like almost a replacement level player as far as value. I think famously Dante Bichette too has like,

a crazy year. Snaps to the AL catchers, but wrong year to be anyone not named Cal Raleigh. At first base, Coach Trev, American League first base. In April, it was Torkelson. Remember that. Jonathan Aranda went around to bases a lot this year

in May and June. And then from there, the kid who took us by storm, no contest. Kurtz comma Nick of those same Sacramento athletics. Dude, he went nuts this year in what was limited action, but he has pretty much every stat, dude. He was amazing.

117 games is what he ended up playing, and he hit 36 homers in those games. Once he got fire, it was a nonstop homer fest for this guy. and, you know, when we talked about him during the season, there's a lot of very lofty comparisons out there for Nick Kurtz. It's very difficult to live up to that type of reputation. And the guy did. He looks like a certified banger.

And that doesn't happen too often when a guy comes up, hits. And I'm not here saying, yeah, but like it's one year, like the league will figure him out. He has the look of a guy that's like a superstar. Yeah, he's one of those guys that he was so good that, you know, he came up and he was all right, and then he started going nuts. And it was one of those like, I don't think the league figures that out. I think he's figured out the league that, yeah, it's going to be fun. When you start doing best first baseman in baseball next year, it probably starts with like him and Vlad and Fred.

A lot of people who want him on the USA, Team USA for WBC. Bryce Harper just latched on today. today. And it would seem like he'd play first as we recorded this. Respect your elders. Congrats to Kurtzcoma Nick. Vladdy ended up. I mean, there's an argument for him in second place when he actually never won a month this year, which is kind of surprising. Our guy, Pasquatch was around it.

And dude, if Aranda, he had that injury. If he got to play 155 this year, his final numbers would have been very impressive. Um, yeah, a young, fun first base crop, but Nick Kurtz. Let me go look at Nick Kurtz and, and the homers. How do you think his hair evolves? He's got like the long kind of like, um, he reminds me of the guy in Kingpin a little bit, not, not Ernie McCrack and the other guy. Oh.

The Amish dude. Right. They call him big Amish. Right. Very similar. Is that why they call him big Amish? He's from Pennsylvania, right? Yeah.

Um, okay. We can look into that. Yeah, I guess it probably, because he kind of has college hair right now, that probably evolves in the F-boy hair. Oh, you're going that way. You think this guy's going to turn into an F-boy? Well, I'm trying to picture the evolution. You know what I'm saying?

It's a money what happens? Yeah. Las Vegas glow-up. Ooh. I'm ready for that. He looks young in that picture, man. My God, he looks like Ben Rice. That looks like Ben Rice in a wig.

Congrats To those athletics faithful And Kurtz Kamenik Second base Trev You're familiar God the names There's a lot of I mean

Like I said Christian Campbell's One April A weird year for him Glaber Torres Had it for a little bit A stalwart at the second base position Wow Jazz Chisholm came in the final two months

as he was doing some 30-30 tings on the bases. Brandon Lau is in the mix here. Jose Al-Tuvae has lived in the mix here. I guess I'll let you go, Trev, because I think we have it, but I want to hear your thought process. Yes, we do have it. Jazz came on.

It was really, really great for the Yanks, established himself at second base. You mentioned the 30-30. That is not an easy thing to do. highest slug second highest OBP between the guys on our sheet highest OPS

and actually played a really nice defense there as well so I think we got to give the jazz so he ends up winning three out of the six months and I don't know if there's anybody really close to him yeah it's it's where we get caught up in war sometimes because when you look at all the numbers

like Brandon Lau offensively is in a very similar area code. I do think Jazz's defense warrants more than what B. Lau is bringing to the table. You could say the same with... I didn't really look at the war. I'm looking at swipes, man. 31 swipes. The 30-30 season kind of takes it for me.

You're right. It's yes. Walk percentage. I know he has the highest K percentage of anybody, but also a higher walk percentage than Brandon Lau. So I don't know. I think an overall ball player, like I guess one way to look at it is,

you know, the stats are the stats. Take them all away. You pick those four guys. Like, who do you want on your team at the second base? It's an interesting conversation at that point, right? Yeah, I mean, team build and stadium, blah, blah, blah. But I don't know. Sometimes being basic is works. They're like, okay, if you wanted the best speed player, it's easily jazz. If you wanted the best defender, I think it's easily jazz. And if you wanted the best power, then it's probably him and Brandon Lowe that like, okay, like Glaver probably has him in contact a little bit and a little, I forgot Glaver was on a lot of bit. He was on, no, Glaver had a big on base year last year.

Last year, I forgot about that. Yeah, you can start nitpicking a little bit, but I think it's jazz. Even, again, not supposed to use this in a beneficial way. He did miss a couple, couple weeks there that, you know, Could have been closer to, I don't know, 35, 35. Doesn't matter. I think either way it snaps for Jazz Chisholm. The best second baseman in the ale.

And dude, how about his whole rebrand from Miami and, like, is he trouble in the clubhouse? And now... Who won the Miggie Row Jazz Chisholm battle? Miguel Rojas has won everything. That's so true. He's the king. But like Jazz didn't lose either.

Mickey Row next year is already working in the Dodgers. front office while playing shortstop. Like, that's facts. Shohei Otani's personally vouched for Miguel Rojas. That means something. Sho Hey. Like, Shohei owes Miguel Rojas a world series.

Yes. And that's a forever lifetime debt that I wish I was. I think I trade lives with Miguel Rojas right now. Just fuck it. He's gonna have, he's gonna have, you're most. he's going to have fucking murals around Los Angeles

Like I think I might trade life I think I might prefer to trade lives With Miguel Rojas over Shohei Like instead of just having to do it For the next 20 years For your whole life You gotta be Shohei Otani every day Yeah

Mickey Roe can just have a great day Whenever the fuck he wants bro Is speaking Spanish way cooler Than speaking Japanese? Interesting Depends where you are I think you can You use it way more places, bro.

I'm going to Spain. It's a little more versatile, yes. Yeah. Yeah, I'd have to crunch. I'm in Miami. I'm not going around speaking Japanese in Miami. I'm sure that it's a very international hub. It's a great city.

Congrats to Miami. Congrats to Jazz Chisholm Jr. For being the best AL second baseman this year. The shortstop. Talk about an iconic position. The American League Shortsup. We rename this award, the Derek Jeter. that's not true. We should name these though. Does that make it fun? Should we rename them every year?

That's too much. We have two. Silver Days. The pedal. I know. Boba shit. Molly, Bobeshit. He was a candidate for this. I should say who won each month because that was a bad way to go about it. I'll do it. Please. Bobby Witt, Jr. Bobby Witt, Jr. And then Jeremy Pena came in in June. He was banging the ball around playing excellent defense. And then Bobby Wood reclaimed it. reclaimed it. This is one we might look back on and say, cheesh, do we miss on Bobby Witt's first silver daisy, which I'm assuming he's got one in his future. But it ain't going to be 2025. Do we need to talk about Bobby Witt more?

I think we talk about him quite a bit. You think we're in the right amount? Because he's amazing. You know, Bobby Witt, we're IG boys. Right. If that matters. So it's big for me. I guess, I mean, pretty crazy. He's Team USA shortstop.

So I'm looking right now at what happened in June. Okay. Here are the numbers in June. Jeremy Pena, 322 to 284 for batting average. 378 to 337 for OBP, 489 to 488 in Slug. He had him in F-4. He had him in B-war.

He was running at 146. Wait his run to Crate Plus to 122. So Bobby must have had a bad June, is what I'm taking. And, dude, Pena was also great. And if you remember Pena missed time this year, that he was on track for that superstar season that when we originally heard who Jeremy Pena was, we'd kind of been looking for that,

dude, Pena, in 125 games, isn't that far off pace from where Bobby Witt was this year. Like 840 OPS, the defense is there. He had a higher batting average than Bobby. Pena was amazing this season, but he did get hurt. Bobby Witt had a great June. Pena was just great, man. 14 runs driven in.

286, 324, 505 for the 829. Does Pena just have this incredible June? Now I'm looking. I mean, this is nothing, so that's where I'm getting a little hesitant. But I think you're just, you're going to see some pain in numbers that'll make you happy. And so I'll just wait for that to happen. Two homers, 10 runs driven in, but he went 361, 404, 515 for the 919. He had an 898 OPS in May, so he was teetering up there.

Interesting. I don't know. This is just interesting to me. Yeah. For the first half of the season, and this is kind of right. around the time he gets hurt. Jeremy Payne was 32, 378, and 867 OPS.

And he plays some of the best shortstop defense in the world that, yeah, I mean, a decision had to be made, but I'm not going to second guess ourselves. I wonder if that was a vote. I feel like that's one that was really close, but Jerry Payne had the numbers there. He did. He was a shame he got hurt.

next year. Interesting. Snaps to Bobby Wood Jr., who's just racking up, I mean, just crazy war for a player his age. He's 25 years old. 21 career B-war, if you're into that kind of thing. And a 500 career slugging from one of the fastest players in baseball. Jesus. Oh, Trev, I've got good news, though.

Bobby Witt Jr. career home runs. 99. 105. Oh. Yeah. Get in line, pal. Yeah. How's my rear look? Me and Trev, reminder, combined for 1006 home runs.

Sheesh. Congrats, Bobby. I think he's going to clip you next year. Dude, Corey Seeger. How's your six B-war season in like 100 games? Yes. Gunner is going to be back last year. I read some article that, like, Gunner's launch was off by two degrees,

and that cost him, like, 11 homers or something. All of those stats are wrong. Do not tweet that. Do not use it as information. There's an actual article out there with info. Gunner's going to be back to seven war next year, 6'7. He's your third basement. Can Tray Turner play second?

No offense to Terang. I feel like we've got a lot of lefties. I'm thinking we're going to do something with Alex Bregman and he could play second or Gunner play second. Gunna. Yeah. Okay. We're going to cover the W, the shoot up of WBC.

Do people know we're going? No, I reminded myself today and I was like, Miami, bro. Let's finish off the AL infield. It's getting, we're in it. We're in it. A little jam distraction. But that was nice. Good seeing the guy.

Speaking of Alex Breggman, going nuts. He was in Boston. Things are great. That Jose Ramirez guy showed up. And then he continued to show up the rest of the way. Because he's one of the best baseball players ever. The finalist, Breggman, the games come in a little short. Junior Camerero is going to get some love here.

45 Tater tots. Geez. 45 110. Mikel Garcia, who you went on a nice little story about that. the other day, how nice he is and how good he is. And then Jose Ramirez, who you competed against. He loves you, Poppy. Jose Ramirez swiped 44 bases last year.

Where were you? Where were you when? Are him and Soto just, like, texting each other? Like, L.O.L. How easy is this? Yeah, there's a glitch in the Matrix with the Soto thing. Naler. What is that? Nailer.

Yeah. Yeah. Like, Ramirez has been... Right, he's done this. But he's also... This is an interesting conversation because it's like, what do you like at third base, right? Clearly, Michael Garcia is the superior defender. He's one of the best defenders in all of baseball right now.

He did move around a little bit, kind of like by design and finally entrenched himself at third base. So I don't think that matters. He played obviously way more games at third base than anywhere else. I think actually it's a plus if you can play shortstop. So, you know, if you look at some of the war statistics, you're going to have Michael Garcia at neck and neck with Jose Ramirez. And a lot of that has to do, yes, with his superior defensive status.

23 swipes for him, 44 for Jose Ramirez. Jose just kind of has him in all the offensive stats, man. I think you and I have a bit, like, I don't know if it's not remorse, but like, we've said the same thing about Jose Ramirez

at third base for years now. Like, he always just had a baby step on, like, Devers. He just, there was other great third baseman, and sometimes it came down to the stolen basis. Sometimes it came down to, like, his defense, depending who he's against, that it's just hard when,

whatever contender you bring up, like, Junior Caminero, that's an amazing year, but I think Jose Ramirez is a little better. Mikel Garcia, same story. Jose Ramirez had seven ounce of average this year. That's been a 93rd percentile. Mikele Garcia had 17.

But like Jose is just, okay, I've said this before about another player who's first Bell Hall of Fame or Mike Trout. Jose Ramirez is one of those guys who is just so fucking consistent. He just does everything well

and he's so consistent with it. By the end of the year, you look up with the numbers and you say, oh my gosh. Yeah. It's Jose Ramirez for me. It's Jose Ramirez for me. Okay.

And snaps. 57.6 career B wore from this guy and he's like he's like peaking. So just because of April, he's not getting the Silver Daisy. He won it every single year except for April. It's tough. Bobby Witt and Jose Ramirez one month. And that's why the daisy's so special.

And that's why those guys are. You could argue the last two years are Jose Ramirez's best two-year stretch. So that's just nuts. He's 33 years old and still going. And just the king of the world. God, all the MVP votes. Trav, this is... I know we get caught up.

Because MVP 10 doesn't... I shouldn't say it doesn't mean a lot. But again, that's one or two riders throwing your vote cycle off. But he's been top 10 in MVP every year since 2017, except one year. 2019, where he missed some games. But like, no, how, it's what you were just saying about Trout.

How hard that is to do as a switch hitting third baseman, who's got a little bit of a Storelli physique going on, is nuts. Since 2016, I'm not great with percentages. But if you play over 150 games out of a 162 season, I'm sure that's 90% of the games or something like that, that's very that's like what you strive to do give me 150 or higher every single year

he's done that since 2016 when he became a full-time starter 152 152 157 129 was 2019 he played 58 of the 60 games in 2020 and then 152 157 156 158 158 that is maybe above all should be applauded

Rob I you know a side quest for you I mentioned that story, Elie Body. Listed 5-8-190. I'll tell you what, that's eerily on it. I'm down a couple. I don't know. You know I've been in the gym. I've sent you picks, Trev.

That, like, he's also a fashion icon in this game. That, Rob, if you could get a couple of his picks from his IG, Jose Ramirez is what makes baseball the best sport in the world. It truly is insane what he's been able to do. Look at a run. He shouldn't be able to run that fast. Okay. If I was doing a bad Chris Rose.

That was a good impression, wasn't it? That was kind of, yeah. If I was doing a knockoff Chris Rose show, I, or like, if I was doing a Chris Rose meet Stephen A show, I would do, has Jose Altova taken away from us appreciating Jose Ramirez? Because otherwise would Jose Ramirez be like the short king of the game? Like, the best good short player? Now I need to know like the numbers.

How do they compare? I mean, they have to be pretty similar, no? Let's see. Jose Al Tuvei, less career war than Jose Ramirez, if you're about that. Okay. Are you on this already? I mean, I just clicked over from one baseball reference to the other. I got Homer's 285 for Ramirez.

255 for El Tuve. When did he's first season for him? 2011. Okay, so Ramirez has less time. 2013 was, you know, 15 games. Okay, runs driven in. Altuve 889. 949.

Run scored. Let's do that one. Ooh, 1236. Okay, well, a little different. 1,001. Right, but that's middle of the lineup, top of the lineup. I guess so those can be misconstrued a little bit for both. Dolan bases

325 for Al Tuvei 287 So I mean they're Both legendary and further Look at that I don't know if that's official For Altuve 826 857

2 historic guys I mean Altuve was on championship teams And some other famous stuff But his His extra short kingness That's a good. Post seasons. Postseason's interesting because. Yeah, I mean, Altuve has a whole other career in English season. Has it been great. Has not been great for Jose Ramirez.

Really? 681 total. Wow. OPS. 841. Yeah. That Jose Ramirez wearing a Jose Ramirez chain. Love that.

It's called Inception, people. I'd like, Rob, there's one. Oh, Jimmy thinks he's got the design. It's a mockup. It's a mockup. Are you Texas already? He's in the room. He's playing free safety like a young Sean Taylor right now.

This is the mockup, Trev. It's on the screen. I got it. I got it on my thing too. Wow. I don't hate it. The thumbs up is interesting. The thumbs up is interesting.

No. I had an extra pedal. I didn't know what to do. Yeah. I think we worked on that. I just did a thumbs up. And you'd change. the color in the middle to match the team, obviously.

Right. The six petals represent the six months. They won. So it needs to be a six pedal daisy. I didn't miss that. And then you make the engravings look better. I think, I think you kind of nailed it.

Besides the thumbs up. Yeah. We can work on that. Well, what else do you put? What's the sixth thing? I was going to, like, their OPS? Is there a glove?

Um, oh, you know what? Instead of outfielder, you could put a glove. Gloving a bat, maybe. No, position. It has to be position. Yeah.

So I decided outfielder. Yeah. 99 for his number. You can also do like the team. Instead of the thumbs up. I guess we kind of do. We'd have to get that approved. Oh, yeah.

Well, maybe not. Well, you just do the city. You do NYU. Hmm. Yeah, the team's abbreviation. Yeah. Yeah. CLE.

I like that. I would be Cleveland. I would be Cleveland. You had Jose Ramirez on mine. All right. So that's, good, right? I think it's great, Jimmy. I'm actually surprised that it came out as well as it did. I googled six petal, Silver Daisy. There's a lot of them. It's common necklace. We kind of were

uninspired here. I'm, I'm one person away from Ben the Baller. Do we need to call him in here? Do you think we know who that is? We're assuming it's a jewelry artist. I'm assuming that's a jeweler. You don't know who Ben the Baller is. That's crazy. Correct. No. The only jewelry I wear is my horror ring. To replace my wedding ring. Olivia loves that. No Friettes.

But she loves it. Dude, they're tough, though. Does Olivia get good sleep? My fit bit was always, my fitness was always like, good job, Jim, good job. You got a good day. This thing is like you're not sleeping. You're not ready for the day. You need that, though.

Trash talking. I'm assuming one day I woke up and I opened my phone and it said, warning, warning, warning, and high alert stress levels. Take it easy today. I was like, whoa. I'm a big fan of your aura ring. I think you need that.

Yeah. Do you heed the advice? I saw my way to work. I was like, I don't know what to do. I do different here. On jewelry. Treve, guys, I'm leaving. Merry Christmas.

One of the things that Trev told us that I think we've shared on this show before, black diamonds. Black diamonds. That you see a lot of. of baseball players with the black diamonds because when rookie white guys when the diamond guy comes around that first time those are slightly more affordable that's a little cheaper yeah when push comes to shove that's the safer play maybe and i don't know it's just a funny thing no i like oh no it's a silver day i like the mock up big time gym thank you that's good we'll just get them made and then

we'll go deliver him like that could also be a ring like we never said it was a necklace I mean, we could just send a flower ring, I don't think. Guys wear necklaces when they play, which that's the goal. I'm just saying if players are listening and you want to request a ring, yeah, pocket watch type thing. I truly believe that with an average number of three to four silver daisies a year, that we could actually find somebody that would want to do them cool. Oh, my God.

Ben the baller. I might be interested. I'm, I'll talk to. Calabasas Country Club. I'll play golf one day and find him. I don't want to get too far ahead. There's our guy, Terturo. Not to spoil the National League,

but I think the guy who's going to be the NL Center fielder would actually wear it and do whatever we want. So maybe we... PCA? Oh, shoot. Wait, so you can get a silver daisy? Oh, no, he's not going to daisy. Oh, no, no.

Just a couple of pedals. But he'd probably rock a couple of us. When I was Googling, that would be like his motivation. When I was Googling Silver Daisy pedals, there's some with missing petals. And I was like, that's wild. We'll get into it. We'll get into it. All right.

We'll send my mock up to your jeweler friends. Okay. How about just, yeah, somebody and somebody listening? Okay. Somebody listening. How many do we need? Giving out three this year. Three.

So in the past, who cares? So forward thinking only. We'll see, Judge. That's a good point. Cal's a cool guy. Yeah, I don't know if I'd see him wearing it. J-RAM, I see wearing it. People would appreciate it.

He didn't win at this. Especially they were nice. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. All I need is a picture of them holding it. Kind of like, uh, I mean, we get judge and we're good, bro. I think also nice award, but we need to make sure that people understand.

This is the most difficult award to win. It's the best award in sports. In all the sports, yeah. It's like this and the Arthur Ashward. We just went, Bobby Witt Jr. And Jose Ramirez had one off month, not even. And they didn't win us over to Izzy. Yeah, it's brutal.

Brutal. It's brutal. Yeah. Yeah. Love you guys. Try your book. This gave me a four-hour show. Jimmy got me this for Christmas.

Okay. I like islands. I don't know. I also enjoy an island. Every now and then I'll just scroll Google Maps and just look at different islands. and be like, what's going on there? Is that a vacation island?

Is that a party island? Is that a chill island? Are there penguins on that island? Is there nothing on that island? A good nothing island? No, there's obviously something on the island. Or a couple of those like midway islands that were just meant for like ships passing through the Pacific and you're like, Jesus Christ.

People just live out there? Do you have like dreams of like being on a deserted island and just living there? Is it like a thing for you? No, I don't have that gene. Note it is, I like being in isolated places, but still, like, operating normally. Like, if I'm on, like, a ski trip and, like, watching the game, or, like, if you're on a beautiful beach island

and you have a nice beach day and then you watch the game, it's kind of, like, funny. Like, you could still be anywhere in the world. You just want to watch the game. I just want to watch the game, it turns out. It turns out. Talking to a therapist about it, Let's wrap up the American...

I don't know. Somehow we're not through the American League. What are we doing? I think this is now two episodes. I think we just chop out the two Jimmy points. It's like a preview episode for it. I don't know. Let's Chef King.

Congrats to Jose Ramirez. There's a little research. Him and Al Tuve. Maybe that should be a jolly video. I'll text his ass. American League Outfield. Like we mentioned, this year in April, Wheelier Abraeu. Who is he?

Let's see if we hear his name the rest of this offseason. Aaron Judge, as you know, ran the gambit this year. Cedric Mullins was your center fielder. If you're new to our outfield, you do need a center fielder. Jorge Polanco at DH to start the year. If you remember how nuts his April was, carried that into October. Tyler Soderstrom. Oh, I jumped to you till.

We'll keep it in outfield. The outfield the rest of the way. you see Kwan. Buxton took over for center field. My God, Trevor, people talking about that. Julio Rodriguez jumped in at some points, Riley Green, Kwan, that by the end, the last two months

were Buxton, J. Rod, and Judge. Judge, you know, is there, are the other two, coach. I think that's who it ends up being. Buck declared for Team USA, not official, that's what I'm hearing right now. but an incredible year for him the power was there

seemed like every time he touched the ball it left the yard he ends up with 35 homers and only 126 games that's actually like the most games he's played in quite some time and then Julio's just one of those guys man you just he's Jose Ramirez-ish

like he's on a pace coach and I think he starts off so poorly that we get we forget about like where the numbers always end up. Like he has such a high floor because of his defense and because of the way that he can run the bases when he wants to,

that it's, he's just one of the premier players in the American League. And I don't think he has that yet. Like that's not like I talked about enough yet. So I think it is, it's Julio, it's Buck, and it's Judge. And now, as we do have our one center field requirement, I guess if you had to pick between Buck and Julio

who gets... For center field. For center field. Not that we had... I think that goes into defense. I'm just going to go straight to Savant. Let's see. Oh, wow.

I think Julio would end up winning there, although Buxton is maybe like my favorite center fielder to watch, but obviously the injuries and stuff. They let him take the training wheels off this year, and he made some incredible catches. But yes, I do believe Julio is out there.

11 outs above average for him. I think it was 7 for Buck. Let me see you again. Sorry. We're good. We'll go Julio Centerfield. Let's go Julio and Center. Buck Daddy, does he have any

conversations? Are you not a Wyatt Langford man these days? Have you been sipping D.C.s? I don't know if you're in the game. I'm getting it. I got a lot of stuff to do to that. I need my energy up. I like that. Give me your White Langford argument.

Well, you have the 775 OPS. 22 steals, 22 homers, that's pretty nice. I also think Cody Bellinger, who ended up in a util spot this year had a very nice season. Luxor had 24 stolen bases to zero caught stealing in 878 OPS. I'm with you. I just think the Riley Greens. There's a couple other guys that deserve shoutouts. Yeah, shout out.

But you're right. And hey, dude, how about? All J.M. Light. Taylor Ward and Joe Adele combined him for 36 and 37 homers last year. What the hell? Did you know that Byron Bucks in prior to this year had never stolen third base? I remember we talked about that. I didn't know that.

Weird. Weird. Weird. Weird game. Congrats to Buckdadi, Judge, and Julio Rodriguez. What a hang that outfield is. That's a good night. That is a good night.

My God. You kind of got everything covered there. We got Georgia. We got, is Judge from Fresno? Or is that just where he went to college? He's from that area, Northern California. Okay. And then you got the DR, right?

Yeah. That's, yeah. That's this. And Buck is from like Georgia, Georgia. This sport brings people together. Three amazing players. Happy for Buck. Happy for Julio.

I know I've done the speech a ton. This was a big year for. him. I wasn't betting against him, but like, I wanted to see it and he showed it in droves, and he's one of the best players in baseball, and he's a superstar, and arguably hottest. Arguably hottest. Yeah. We can do that. You know, like, that just is what it is, bro. Hot boy list, huh? I got to get one. I know. I got to get one. It's time. Which brings us to, we do have a DH. In both. leagues now. Snaps for, how about Uncle Rob on that one? Do people talk about that enough? That's

been just buried. There's a DH in both leagues. There's been one in the AL. Palanco Devers when he was still in that league. Yo. Brent Rooker, Brent Rooker, George Springer from the top rope with his amazing year. So D.H. has been all over the board. It looks like the final candidates, Springer, Rooker, Ben Rice, Jorge Polanco, and Yandi Diaz, always underrated. I'll get ahead of you on this one. George Springer has to be on this team. Yeah, I just, I can't, like, usually we say you've got to play the position to be eligible for that position. Makes a lot of sense, right?

I don't know if we'd really do that for DH. He did have 82 games at DH compared to 44 and right, 12 and left, so majority of the games at DH. Brent Rooker is like a full-time D-H. I bet he's got like a couple games played out there in the outfields. So I don't think we can take that away from George or like hold that against him. And then if you kind of like look at the numbers, yeah, it was it was his year. 32 homers, that bested Rooker by two, scored 106 runs. He was a little bit behind Rooker and runs driven in 84 to 89 on Rooker's advantage there.

Brent had a really freaking nice year. He sure did. He had a 73 extra base hit year. Played 162. Springer had a 60 extra base hit year. I see the Rooker discussion, but I just think where George landed it, 959 OPS. That's. Yeah, he almost 345, he basically 345, that 309, 399.

Can we round up? We can round up. In 560, yeah, it's George Springer, it's George Springer. Yukon. Yeah, love me some George Springer. And hard hit in New Britain, Connecticut, the place where you, me, and George will always overlap. Got the CCSU hat behind me. Go Blue Devils, baby.

Go Blue Devils. We knew why that was. They were named the Blue Devils for some reason. We figured that out. We got lost that day, huh? It was nice. Good to be seen. Let's do Pitcher quick.

If you're new to this, pitcher ends up being the ugliest because, God, They're all so close. And if we wanted to do an hour on Scoobel, Brian Wu, Crochet, Hunter Brown, we could do it, Max Fried, but we're not going to do it because the bad man. The bad man that led me to bad takes, Terrick Scoobal. Congratulations. Doesn't get a Daisy, though. He did not get it to start the year.

Hunter Brown came out of the gate. It's tough. It's tough. That's the whole point. to do it for 162, start to finish to be the best at your position. Hunter Brown, 4 and 1 with a 1-2-2, Scoobble 3-2 with a 2-3-4 in April. What about Tyler Molly?

Tyler Molly, free agent people aren't talking about. Some team is going to be very happy that Tyler Molly's in camp with them. Trev, the final position in the AL, and my God. There's another one? We start talking dinosaurs. we're going to lose another hour. The U-Till spot, Trev of the fan vote.

We're men of the people. I mentioned. It was Tyler Soderstrom. Jacob Wilson. Are the A's back? Then it was Vladdy, Vladdy. And then Vladdy and Belly tied, Trev. I don't know if you even know this yet.

Literally, they both received 39.2% of the fan vote. Wow. They legitimately tie. and we don't have protocol for that. So they stayed. So Trev, for the fan vote, for the last pedal of their year, who are we putting in there?

I like a Vladdy. I like a Cody, and I kind of like a Michael Garcia. Okay. Are we missing Jeremy Pena in that? I thought about it, but the games are too short for me. No, I think you nailed it, I want Mikel to get a little bit more love. Mikel Garcia,

Vlad Guerrero Jr., Cody Bellinger. Yeah? Yeah. Done. Okay. That'll be the fan vote. We'll get that out to the people. Let's just keep cooking here because we've been all over the board.

It's a holiday episode, people. People, you know what? John boy. You might hate it, but there's nothing you can do about it. That's it. And you're listening and subscribe. share with a friend. Actually, I think you could do like the one and a half speed thing.

Ah, I don't like that. I've never done it. I like it natural. You know what I'm saying? Slow it down with it for that southern draw. Know what I will do sometimes. There's a couple. Actually, I don't do this a lot anymore.

Do you know who Kigo is? Yeah, you do. You're hip. You don't know who Kigo is. I think I do. Kigo's like chill house music. Music, yeah. It's like chilling on the beach.

know a song. So, Kaigo Summer Mix, 2014, one of my favorites. Um, this has to be blowing some people. He's not new. He's mine right now. Kygo's been around. Kygo's done some laps. You would know some Kygo.

Um, Kigo, again, it's like chill music, but if you do play it at like 1.25, it becomes a little more. You're your own DJ at that. Yes. I'm DJing. I'm basically a DJ when I do that. Um, okay.

DM Chris Rose about Kygo And the National League We'll go around the horn We start with the catching position And to start the year It was incredible Carson Kelly's April Carson Kelly's April should go down in history books

Because it was amazing The only problem in why Trevor Plouf had that reaction A man who Finally earned his striped this year of becoming the all-j-j-m recognized player he should be. Will Smith won out the rest of the way and went on to World Series herodom. He won't get the daisy because of that first month. Will Smith in April went 316, 426, 500.

Treff, it wasn't enough. But Carson Kelly went 375-24-89898 for the 1.4. Carson Kelly was out of his mind. Will Smith, we apologize. There ain't nothing we could do, Pop. This is, this is, this is it. Snaps for your end of the season award, but. Is there, I guess is there any discussion here?

Will Smith, games-wise, comes in short of Contreras and Goodman. I know that starts to get positionally. He has them beat in war, and the offensive stats are so high that, God, Hunter Goodman had a great, year. Love. That's Josh Donaldson Light. Yeah. Great swing. Love me some Hunter Goodman. Okay, you know what? I mean...

Hey, Hunter Goodman, stay the hell away from third base. Okay, pal. That's right. Stay behind the dish. I mean, there's a discussion if you really want to have it, but... I don't know. Yeah, I mean, sheesh, maybe. I don't know. I was looking... I was just looking at the end of numbers. 153 weighted runs created plus

the OPS, the slash line is there. A 400 OBP for the catcher. It's, yeah, it would just be us going in circles that Goodman and Contreras are right there. And maybe, maybe we're letting postseason or just the length of this episode get in our way. But I think Will Smith deserves it. And he's incredible and he's been overshadowed for years jokingly on this episode in reality by the Dodger superstars. And that needs to stop.

And I think it, I think it, I think the buck stops here. All right. There's still a util vote for those guys. Maybe they'll get in. Ooh. Will Smith. Drake Baldwin. Yeah.

That's a big season. That's a nice season. That's a nice season, man. Doesn't strike out, Trev. Imagine making Sean Murphy expendable. Is he, though? We used to call that depth, Pop, right? We used to call that depth.

Man, I don't know if you saw, and again, by the time this is how, who knows what could happen. It was interesting to see Red Sox fans are like, Yeah, Casas can start in AAA. He's missed some time, and it's like, whoa, baseball comes at you quick, huh? I've been saying, I'll take him right now.

I'm a different team. The Red Sox will be smart to hang on to him, put him in AAA fine, but don't trade him now. That guy's a stud. His numbers, big boy. Congrats to Will Smith. Nice year. Nice year, pal.

First base. National League first base. Some studs. Peter Alonzo, Freddie Freeman, Pete Alonzo, Michael Bush had arrived this year, and then Pete Alonzo again. So this one had been all over the board, start to finish. Where are we at now, coach? Very, very difficult to pick between, I would say Matt Olson, Freddie Freeman, and Pete Alonzo, just of where everything kind of ended up. I know Michael Bush, yeah, you deserve some love too.

I kind of missed you on the way in there. I'm looking at, for first base, I'm more of a counting stat guy overall. Defense does get involved. But man, like Peter Lonzo, 38 homers, 126, 162 games played, so he played the entire year post. And same with Matt Olson. The counting stats alone.

We're talking about a guy who just had a freaking 80 extra base hit, year, an 80 extra base hit year. He kind of, to me, he kind of runs away with it there. Again, I know the defense plays a factor, especially into like F-war, really, I think he gets hurt on because of that. Matt Olson has a 4-7F, or a 60B war. Matt Olson, man. Was that last month as I remember?

Higher OBP, same exact batting average, lower slug. Gosh, darn it, Matt Olson. Dude, Matt Olson. What? 95 runs driven in, 29 homers, 98 runs scored. Oh, my gosh. He played 162.

Same amount of bat, same amount of hits. One dotted in September. My head's hurting, Matt Olson. You did that. One dotted in September. Might be dehydration and just living off Diet Coke's, but also you, Matt Olson. Trev, this is a problem.

Call Jimmy. and move on. Dalt, tell him he has to pick an NL first baseman. Don't tell him who. He can go anywhere with it. Oh, no, I think we have to give him those two. Oh, wait, wait, wait, Dalt. Pete or Matt?

Does Bush get in there? I mean, I want to see where... He has the exact same slash line as freaking Pete Alonzo, essentially. I kind of just want to see where Jimmy's brain goes with it. And if we have to go nuclear, we go nuclear. Okay, move on. Jimmy's got the text. God.

This is tough. And this is the only award show that they peel back the curtain. Like, discussions are live. Not submit your ballot and run. I came ready to give Pete that pedal. No problem. And it'd be really nice for his free agency, you know? Can't do it.

We're not shills like that. He's out. Send me some swag, Pete. Just kidding. He's a Baltimore Oriole. What was going on with the jersey? We'll circle back at first base. It's interesting.

right? Second base. Brandon Donovan. How are you? Good ball player. I don't know if that's established enough. Nico Horner, I keep forgetting to go in order. Sorry everyone. Well, actually, Brendan Donovan was in order. Look at that. He won April. He won May. And then the Cotel Marte Parte started to happen because where that guy's stats are amongst second baseman get in our heads. Trevor looks panicked. This is what do you value at second base? Because clearly there's an offensive threat here with Catelle-Marté.

He's the best of the bunch by far. Nico Horner, on the other hand, can swipe your bags, can play some defense. Now, the offensive stats still pretty good. 740 OPS for a second baseman, good. Tell Marte, 893. You got Bryce Turang hanging around there with a 7-94. I don't think Brandon Donovan is in discussion. I think you're right.

I think that's fair. So between Nico, Catelle, and Bryce, it becomes a difficult conversation because Bryce Turing, well-rounded ball player, 24 stolen bases. We know he can bunt first and third to win a game. Seen it. We've seen it happen. Seen that. Because if he doesn't get it down, guess what? He's in the manager's office, and Pat Murphy's yelling at him.

They're running polls after the game. Nico and Bryce, 156 games. to Catelle's 126. That means something. But those offensive stats are just so good for Catelle. That's what's keeping them in the ballgame here. For me, I legitimately don't think I can pick between Terang and Horner. And you don't want that to be the cop out,

because if I think they're the best second baseman, that's still the best. I guess, and this is where we traditionally land. And again, you know, it's almost the holidays that I don't want. want to, I don't want to, can I convince you? Which part? Because I think, I'm a Cattelman. I think I've found my, my take here. Okay.

And war doesn't really support this. But if we're talking about the most well-rounded player of the three this year, it's Bryce Terang. A 124 weighted runs created plus. Okay. Right. He's stealing bags. Yep.

played in all the games. Correct. Can do all the things. He's got 18 bombs to Niko's 7. Right. He's got 81 runs driven in to Niko's 61. He scored 97 runs to Niko's 89. Now, is he going to strike out more?

Nico's got him there. The contact rate is much better, but he also walks more than Niko. I think I'm going, I think I'm going, Bryce Terang here. Not, I guess here's my problem. I am now back against hitter strikeouts for certain players. And Trev, you mentioned everything's close, right? Like the stolen bases are close. Terrang's homers are a significant difference.

Trev, 100 strikeouts. And you're talking about like what you, when you think of a second baseman and what you want there, Terang struck out a hundred more times that when I'm doing Terang and Horner Defense is ungodly towards Nico Horner this year I mean they both play great defense

like I'll eye test a little bit there That's an eye test Terang did not grade out well defensively I get that and hey Horner I'll never argue against his defense I guess for me I know dude but this is where I go back to

if I'm building the best team I can with these stats like not just who I think they are as a baseball player. I think I would want Cotel Marté as the switch hitting second baseman with almost a 900 OPS. And I agree. And again, I don't know. But that's not what this award is, though, Jake.

It's not what this award is. This is a results-based award. So who has the best results? I think we do have to take it to consideration the games played in this situation. 30 games. It's a full month of baseball. Was Marte's last month not great?

Dalton's in the room. Come on, Dalton. That has to be a top of your head one, no. Do you have to answer that? No. Yes. He cooled off. Where would you go, Dalts?

I am biased. I obviously, like, heart. Heart on the sleeve. I think Catell's offense, like it's head up, like above and beyond the rest of these guys. Now granted, Tarrang and Horner are two of the better defenders at second base, maybe just across all positions in baseball. But I think with Catelle missing time this year, he missed the early portion of the season with a hamstring injury, which is why Donovan won it earlier.

Marte's numbers still great out. So if we're going, what's on the paper, like Marte's offensive numbers are pretty, pretty much either on par, if not better than these guys, and he did it while missing basically a month of baseball. And again, take that with the grand assault. Snakes fan. I'm going to let you cast your vote, and if we have to go to CPU Jimmy again, that's fine. I'm going to tell Marte, my final piece of data,

893 OPS versus righties, 891 versus lefties this year. whoever was on the mound could tell Marte was essentially a 900 OPS hitter in the middle of your lineup as a second baseman that I can't say that about the other guys

and I just think that is I know the games are short but that's my pick I can't in good faith can't just give it to Marte so I will say I think I'm going Bryce Turing and I'm looking at the stats

year to year right now and he is improved in every statistic. Stud? Year over year, where it seems like maybe next year might be the first time he gets into that 8 to 850 OPS range. And then as a second baseman, we're talking real star material.

Yeah. The defense took a step backwards this year. And sometimes I'm like, man, okay, like he's been a positive defender as far as outs above average. The last two years this year, he's a negative one. So, like, what happened?

I'm going Bryce Turing. So I think we might need to call in. Sorry Nico Horns and the Cubs fans. Crazy. That's tough for me. Crazy. I think if I had to choose, I would go Tarrang and Horner and then have someone pick between those two.

Dalt, if you could alarm. Oh, it's going to be a text message. So did you get them before or no? No, I thought. Oh, okay. Okay. Didn't it understand that? Okay, so now I need...

Okay, so John Boy, okay, then I'm going to have to eliminate the first base options for him. I texted him about Alonzo Or Olson, he doesn't come back. Okay. Okay, can you text him? We have more to text him. Can tell Marte, Bryce to rank. You're going to be hearing from Chicago, Coach.

I am for sure. I won't. They love me. Visited twice this year. I'm dripping sweat. Let's go to the short. I thought it was going to be a bangers coming up too. I thought it was going to be a light day of work for me.

It's been one of my busiest days of the fucking year. Not that I got more going on. At shortstop, Francisco Lindor. This was our ugliest position all year. Lindor, Raldo Pardomo, Trey Turner, Ellie De LaCruz, Perdomo. At the end of the year, we are staring at, Lindor went 30-30.

Trey Turner had an amazing year. Mookie Betts is involved, if you don't mind that guy. Pardomo. Ellie swiped 37. Trev, tell the people what you see. Again, a stacked position. Shout out Trey for, you know, coming around defensively, just having a really, really nice year.

You know he's my favorite player in all. Baseball. Love him. Lindor, 30-30 year. Love that for you. Ellie, still think you got like so much more in the tank. We'd love to see you turn the corner a little bit, knock down the strikeout rate.

Got it. It's predominant for me. I think as far as well-rounded years, we're talking about a guy, drove in 100 runs. He got the extension, I think, before the season, right? Was this year? Was that before last year?

Before this year. How many games do you play? 161 games this year. So he was there posting 20 homers, 100 runs. but almost scored 100 at 98. 94 walks to 83 strikeouts. You know that gets me going.

27 stolen bases. The slash line ended up being the best of the bunch at 851. Next highest will be a tie between Turner and the door at 812. War supports this one, so that kind of helps out in our argument. I'm going, Heraldipurdomo. It's a sneaky. I guess I'm labeling it for those that have listened, and I mentioned it before. this is a little bit, it feels J-RAM situation.

Like, we can go around and we could tell you how good Turner is and Lindor and Ellie, and you could go through different stats. But at the end of the day, almost each one, Perdomo is like just a little bit better. I mean, there's a couple categories. Lindor's 31 home runs, sure. But like, the strikeout to walk numbers are just insane. He led these guys in RBI. Why? If you want to convince us this panel to give you the leg up, have a walk-to-strike-out ratio like that. That's what we truly love.

Because that's insane. Yeah, I mean, I was on Perdomo. I think it's the right answer. That on-base percentage is crazy. And yeah, again, if you hop around to war, like, it's Perdomo. I know the other names are flashier, but he stepped up this year. He's going to be DR starting short stuff. in the World Baseball Classic, so credit to him. Rob Shrocko? I got an answer on one of them. Okay. Bryce Terang over Cattel Marta. Okay.

Congrats. America. Jimmy said, America. He's not sure on Pete Olson. Okay. Is that like he's continuing to do work? I don't know.

It just said, not sure on Pete Olson. Okay. Um, just, just be like, ha ha, okay, let us know question mark. Because otherwise that affects how we have to conduct business here. Um, congrats to Pardomo. What a season. Uh, who would have had that before the year? Third base.

This is a funk one. I'm interested to see where, okay, Trev, you play the position. I like this one. I think I got a handle on it. I'm interested because you and I both think we have a handle on it, which could just lead us into a horrific spot. third base it was Austin Riley and then Mani

ran it I didn't realize that because third base NL third base normally a stack position had a just a funky year it used to be I think some of those guys are dying off the Nolan Aeronados the Justin Turner's like these guys you know that were there

stalwarts for so long I know Turner's been maybe a couple years now but yeah I think it's turning into a new crop of guys. Mani Machado is the guy for me. Okay, good. Good, same. And it's because he posted.

He always posts. That's one thing that he does. You know, Eugenio, he goes over to the Mariners at the end of the year. You know, his game kind of is one-sided. Yeah. You know, like the 29 walks to 117. Not that Mani is much better for being honest. It's a tad bit better than Eugenio. But Mani puts up 27 homers,

which is more than anybody except Aeohenio. scores 91 runs drives in 95 which is both more than anybody else 14 swipes for him the olds and the slows really got in on the stolen base game which i love and then you know as far as ops goes of the other guys not named aeohino because he did have a near 900 so that's why he's in the discussion machado was over chapman over baby i think it's machado i know it's machado i know it's Chado. You're right. Okay. I'm glad. I'm glad we agree on that. If Matt Chapman had the games, I think this would have been an ugly conversation. Brett Beatty, shout out for being on the board here. And seems like he is a big part of the Mets plans going forward. But it's Manny Machado. And I, you know, sometimes we question if it's name value or whatever. But the games in this point, Matt Chapman had 128, Beatty had 130. That, okay, you know, those compete.

but the other stats kind of don't. More home runs. More runs. More RBI. Like, yeah, it's kind of, it looks scarier on paper the way our sheet is laid out. But it snaps for Manny Machado.

Gets paid well. He does. Does he retire as a Padre? Chris Rose question. I think he's got to be done once this is over, yeah. Okay. Oh, yeah.

I kind of meant it's like a... They trade him? An old Mani Machia. gets traded somewhere or if he I mean, the Yankees would be the only place, man. I feel like that's a logical, you know, destination for him. Red Sock, monster turn for him at some point.

Or did you just go to Miami? Just like hang out. Just change that franchise. Sorry, San Diego fans have to hear that, although that contract is interesting. Congrats to Mani Machado, the best National League third baseman in the year 2025. The Outfield,

We're almost there, people. I promise you. I think I'm talking to myself at this point. 2025 selections, Chung-Hoo-Lee in Center Field in April. People were talking about MVP Chung-Hoo-Lee. That changed. Corbyn Carroll and Fernando rounded out your outfield. PCA took over the world.

He has been riding Center Field the rest of the way. Kyle Tucker had a three-month stretch where he was there, you remember injury, kind of got involved in his season. James Wood was balling until he was not. Sorry, James Wood. Kyle Stowers, Corbin Carroll showed up, so did that Juan Soto guy, if you remember where his end of your stats. And maybe you don't because he sold 38 bases and hit 43 home runs as Juan Soto.

That coach, we kind of spoiled it earlier. We start with center field because we need that. PCA competing against Andy Pahez and Jackson Cherio. I think he held on. I know some of the end of the year stats are tough, but that's why we have a center fielder. The defense alone is, you know, what's probably going to keep him in there

because he did have the 287 OBP. I remember he started the year off just extremely hot, power, speed, all the things that you can dream upon, which I believe, you know, that 4.5 watt percentage, that'll go up. the 24% K percentage, that'll go down. I think he'll work on that stuff this offseason. He'll understand the game a little bit better.

Mechanical adjustments probably are warranted. And once he does that, he has such a high ceiling or high floor, excuse me, and a high ceiling, but a high floor that he's going to be around for a while. So yes, PCA still gets it, despite that slash line not looking great because of that on-base percentage. He's going to be our center field. And then I think the other two are kind of locked to me.

Juan Soto. I don't know if people know what he did this year. Obviously, you're like, okay, he got on base. We know that. And he did that this year, 396 OBP, which is really, it's probably light for him, if we're being honest. 396 OBP. How about hitting 43 Jimmy Jacks, scoring 120 runs,

driving in 105, walking 127 times. And oh, yeah, by the way, did you know, second in the NL and stolen bases with 38. Juan Soto. He's obviously one of the winners here. Snaps for Juan Soto. And then the other guy that I have, and I think it's a lock, another 32 stolen base guy.

I think he goes up against Tatis. Also has 32 steals. Who has 32 steals? I know. For the last outfield spot, I think it's Corby and Carroll. To me, he's just a little bit better. this year than Fernando Tautice was. The overall slash line, I think, works.

259, 343 with a 541 slug from that barrel-chested Corbyn Carroll. Ends up with an 884 OPS where Fernando Tad Tice went 268, 368, and a 446 for the 814. So nice year. We know Fernando can play defense. So can Corbin. He can swipe bags. I think it ends up being Corbyn Carroll, Fernando Tautis Jr. in PCA. So, Tate's defense is so special, and he plays in San Diego, Corbyn plays in Arizona.

I think the numbers are close enough for me, because not only does Fernando play defense, Fernando plays game-altering defense that, and Treb, I don't know if you remember this, because it was many moons ago, because we have another situation on our hands. Shohei Otani wins the DH spot because he's Shohei Otani. Can I tell you something? Yeah. This year, Outs above Average has Corbyn Carroll

above Fernando Tatees Jr. Dallin has a boner from you saying that. The arm strength, now we know. Arms are different. The arms are different. Very different. And I don't even know how Corby and Carroll rates than the 62nd percentile.

When I see him throw, it's Johnny Damon-ish to me. The throwing form is, is of that ilk. Okay, I'll lay this out for you. You could shoot it down. Okay. Because Trev, the last time we did this, Otani won D.H.

Because he does. He just does. Silver Daisy. There's another DH this year that had a historic season, Kyle Schwerber, that what we did last time is we had Schwarber win the util,

that we didn't even put it to a fan vote. but we did allow the outfield to go to a fan vote. But last time, it was Stowers, Carol, and was it Tatis, or Tucker at the time? That if you wanted to, and we don't have to, I'm interested in putting Carol versus Tatis fan vote last spot in the outfield. Because Schwabre has to be on this team dog. He can't be util, though.

I don't like that we put him on util. He's not a utility player. The way he hits his utility. What? Yeah. I think we vote, we figured it out between you and I, and then the guy that doesn't win between Tantis and Corbyn Carroll

goes in the util vote. Can't believe you. You want Tautice. I can't believe you defensive stated me. You want Tad. That's what you said. He said it's so good and it is, but Corby and Carroll goes and fucking gets it.

Sure. His speed, there's still a couple weird plays out there here and there. And I... That was your calling card for Tatis to win. I think you got to lay it down, Coach. You got to fold that one. Well, that's...

I'm just saying, like, going back to the stadiums and stuff, like, weighted runs created plus, which, you know, just is what it is. Carol's 139 to Tatis is 131, which that looks a lot closer than a lot of the other numbers of just... Is it higher or lower? It's higher.

but I think when the defense gets brought into that equation, for Fernando, who we're talking as... 65F4 to 6.1, I know it can be considered negligible, but it's higher. Right. It's, I guess, when we start talking platinum glove type-ish, the home run robberies, like, what Fernando does defensively, like...

Can I interest you in extra-based hits? You can, and those tribut. triples play. 80. But that's also a ballpark thing. Like, that's what I'm saying. 80. I know.

Well, I mean, if there weren't triples, they'd be doubles. I'm just extra base hits means doubles, triples, Homer. So for now, Tatee's Jr. Correct. Has 54? Yeah. That's different. Is that math?

That's the math. Stanford, man. I think he got to go Corbyn here, Coach. That's a pretty good argument on my side here. Fernando can battle it out with a group vote. So that would leave Fernando and Schwartz for the Util. Who else deserves to be in there? One of the short stops, probably.

I was going to say, I was going to put Hunter Goodman in there. But yeah, it's probably a short stop. We're leaving Hunter Goodman. Shout out Hunter Goodman. Just shout out Hunter Goodman. Let's go, Trey Turner or Eco. Nico's a fascinating one. Oh, God.

Let's go Nico. Trey Turner's out. You got beat out. Let's go Nico, because that was a discussion. Okay. Let's go Schwaber and let's go Tatis. There it is, people. Our first base vote is in.

Let's save it for the grand finale. We have our fan vote set up. Fernando Tatis, Kyle Schwerber, Nico Horner. Which is your flavor ice cream there, people. Let us know. Shout out to some of the, Sayas Suzuki and Christian Yelich. Great years. Went up around the wrong batch of dudes.

at DH. Pitcher, are we even doing this? Skeens and Sanchez sends us into a tizzy. I'm a little bit of an ERA ho that I lean Polly Walnuts, but... I think it is Paul Skeens. Got a shout out Christopher Sanchez. I made the argument earlier before the show. The quality starts favor Sanchez by two, but then Dalton pointed out that the Pirates did hold back the innings for Paul

Skeens. Quality starts is six innings pitched or more. with, I believe it now, it's three runs or less. Yeah. So that hurts the quality starts there. Sanchez does have him innings. Yeah. But it's Paul Skeins. I think he was, I think his stats are a level above.

The ERA starting with a one. You start getting into ridiculous stuff with the pitchers, and this is why the tone in my voice changed. But like he gave up, was it like, 35 less hits? and, you know, what is it, 14 less innings or whatever. You start talking about that stuff and you're like, what are we doing?

Also, I think Paul Skeen's made $700,000 this year. Crazy. Chris Sanchez and Crochet should just go have their own, like, tall freak show lefty. We should get... Getting screwed out of a warts party. We'll message them.

That won't happen. The fan vote in the National League, we laid that out, the fan vote in the American League. So the final thing that we will be hearing about on all JM for the 2025 season, that will be over. It'll be 2026, the great John Bino, with your first base selection in the National League via Rob Chiracroko. He says, I want to give it to Alonzo because Mets need a win. Oh, my God.

Congratulations, Pete. Congrats, Pete. Congrats, Pete. This is why award shows don't peel back the current sometimes. This graphic is going to, we're going to get crushed. Happy Honda days. What an episode. Shout out to Dalt on the sheet and tracking down Jimbo.

Shout out to Jimbo, Jimmy O'Brien, Rob Seraco producing his butt off. Coach Trev, your final thoughts out in Calabasas. I love everybody. This is a shout out to our community. Wow. Wow. I actually don't love everybody. No.

But I love our community. Yeah. Let that be the final note of everyone's 2025. We love you. We don't love everybody. What a year it was. One for the books. You guys are the absolute best.

There's probably going to be breaking news. We'll see ya. Maybe we won't. I don't know. Oh, Jimmy just adding a casual 45 minutes to this episode. Yeah. He, uh, he's, very Christmas, happy onyke, everybody. He's looking a yuck.

Kwanza, boxing day. What else we got? Not good. The New Year? I'm not good with the holidays either. Had a holiday? Happy holidays.