Talkin' Baseball (MLB Podcast) - Hall of Famers & Future Hall of Famers | 769

Episode Date: January 24, 2024

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Hello and welcome to talking baseball. We're talking about the old folks and the youngins on today's episode. Thanks for joining. Music increases. Hello and welcome to talking baseball. Thank you very much for joining us today. It's brought to you by Seatkeek. Co. Talking can help you out over there.

My name's Jimmy. His name's Jake Trev in the center of your screen and bebes behind the dish. We're doing some Hall of Fame talk because Trev's buddy is a Hall of Famer. and some breakout stars. Trev, you look great. How are you? I appreciate that. Thanks, James.

I'm doing well. Yes, shout out to my guy, JM7 for getting elected into the Hall of Fame yesterday. That was, for me, a no-brainer. And it was good to see that he was trending that way and finally got the news yesterday. So I'm excited to talk a little bit about that. I just noticed, though, on our little title down here.

This is a great episode for me in BBD. We got episode 769 So we got JM 7 BBD 69 2024 players on the 24th of January It's going to be a big out for me James You look great Wow

How are you doing? I'm all right I'm good I'm excited to have a fun Wednesday Because I had a horrible It's horrible and terrible combined Harrible Maybe that's what

Charles Barkley is doing He's combining words Monday and 2 Tuesday. So I'm not gummed up, but we'll be after this episode and everything else we record today. So I'm excited about that. Jake? Bing bong. I, uh, I was gummied up on the couch last night when I got a face time from Trev. I'm like, wow, does he want to talk Hall of Fame? Does he want to? No, he's bopping with the crew, just showing off the good life. And I'm, I'm watching Lakers. That's not what happened.

I'm watching Lakers clippers on my couch getting made fun of for it. And you're right. I shouldn't have been watching that game. But I was having a nice night. And I'm happy for you and Joe Mauer. Man, I did have a, you know, people probably want to get your thoughts on Joe a little more than mine. But you go first as long as you want. Man, I tell you what, you know, there's the getting older that everyone feels

every day in different ways. When you get a little older, you feel it a little more. Like, I remember Joe Mower's whole recruiting. I remember the S-I. Like, I remember that. Is he going to go play QB for the Gators? Is he going to play baseball? And, like, at that time, that's when football, you know, was taking over everything.

And Joe Mower chose baseball. So let's go, Joe Mower. And then the fact that, like, I don't know, Joe Mauer's going to go to the Hall of Fame and he's still, like, handsome and young. and like healthy. I don't know. I guess that's my deep dive into it.

But happy for your guy. Happy for Todd. And who is the third? Oh, Adrian Beltray, who was like, kind of got inner circle jobs. So good for him. Yeah, Adrian got 95.1% of votes first year. Pretty much unanimous.

That's awesome, man. Pretty much. He's a Hall of Famer. Remember when his nuts exploded? Oh. Oh. Oh, God. That's still the first thing.

I don't really remember that. Yeah, we didn't work up and took a ground ball of nuts. And they tore. He had bruised testicles. I think I do remember that now. That's very rare that he would miss a ground ball because that's kind of what he's known for. True. Ground balls.

True. I do have a quick story. It just, it happened yesterday. I think talking baseball fans would enjoy it before we get into this. I'm on vacation somewhere. I don't want to give away the location because one of another future Hall of Famer is here. Zach Grinky is here.

Oh, wow. Someone pointed it out to me and I said, I'm going to go say, what's up? You know, I knew that might be. That's such a recipe to get insulted. It's, yeah, it's tough. It's tough, you know. Oh, no. I knew I had to.

So I said, hey, Zach, what's up, man? Trevor Plouffe, good to see you. Like, how's everything going? He said, oh. hey Trevor you you had a homer off you once didn't you it's the first thing he said to me and I was like I don't think so Zach

if I don't really recall hitting one off you he said no you know you did we were in Milwaukee and all this stuff and like we really didn't get off of that like he was kind of fixated on like I hit a homer off him and I didn't really hit a homer off you come back later I see him again

and by that time I looked my stats up against him one for nine four K's no homers So I go, hey, Zach, just so you know, one for nine, four K's, no homers. She goes, oh, that's right. You're easy. And then he turns and goes back to dinner with his family. And I said, all right, that's it.

That's my interaction with you for the weekend. See you later. Walked you once. It was the exact. I mean, if I had to go back in time and say, how's this conversation going to go? It went exactly how I probably should have thought. Your one hit was first pitch, single to left field, ground ball through shortstop, third base hole. Just weak.

Yeah. Yeah, your ground out, your first ever. In parentheses, it says weak. That's, come on. It says ground out, shortstop, weak, strikeout looking, ground out, force out, strikeout, swing. Walk, 3-1, walk. Hey.

Ground out. Oh, my God, your other ground out, it says weak. Strikeout, string, strike out, stringing, and then line out. Line out. Deep left field. Maybe that's what he thought. I mean, he was disgusted when he thought that he had the home run. Granky was on the Dodgers.

So, I mean, they probably had a gold glover and left. Like, that's a lot of days. That's it. That's the triple. Carl Crawford. Oh, Mike, he covered ground out there. Exactly. Anyways, that's my Zach Grinky story.

That's awesome. He's a nice guy. That's pretty awesome. That's so sad. Get him in spring or something. I never remember that either. If I got the deep fly, I found it. So, hey, what inning did it?

Heart of your hearts. Do you think he was like setting you up? Or do you think he was just trying to keep him moving? Or do you think he thought you took him up top? Like, what do you think that was? I think he saw me. He was like, this chump took me up top. And he was like not happy with himself.

He wished he could go back and take that pitch away. But I had to remind him, no, I didn't. No, I remember every single one of my 106 career big league homers. Are you watching it? Yeah, I found it. Okay. Bottom five. Okay.

So the first batter. blubes in. Granky's at 80 pitches. He's stricken you out twice. Okay. Let's see. We got to ground out to first. So you come,

do you come up next? Nope. Our guy Mauer's up next. Okay. He strikes out. Fourth strikeout for Granky. Little lineup protection, Trevor Fluf. At one point,

you were two of his three strikeouts. You're two of four now. Oh, here's Trev. Real straight up. Like your real, you're real stiff front leg stance. Yeah, that's what you're doing. Good time.

I mean, yeah. That's out in a lot of ballparks? No. Oh. But you love the contact. Do you want me to come walk into the camera and show you? I don't. I don't.

I'm okay. I can't even see you guys. Well, you didn't have an option. Okay. It's coming. So let's see. Grinky. Good delivery.

That's a sweet spot of sorts. As good as we're going to get. Let's see. And here's the pitch from Grinky. Oh, finding. Oh, lost the mouse. Oh, boy. Okay.

Okay. Throwing it in. There we go. No. Not you. I don't know. I'm sorry. I brought this up.

I'm sorry, guys. Let us down a rabbit hole. Okay. Punch is out Hall of Fame or Joe Mauer, so it's applicable. No. It looked like you. Got your hands in? I mean, yeah.

I can just tell up my stance that's 2014 if I had to guess I don't you know I mean the outfit I was on the move I don't know if Schwartz catches that That's true All right guys

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A lot of text. Yeah. Well, a lot of people love the guy. He's very, you know, that's who he is. So, you want to get into that? What are we doing here? We're going to talk about Joe a little bit. We're going to.

Dude, Trev, you're nasty. Three-hole Trev ploof in this game at the time. 304 batting average, 409 on base. 887 OPS? I started off hot in 14. I had like a epiphany in the cage in Chicago. It was like four degrees outside. And I just found something out.

And I wrote it for like a month. I had a really, really strong. April in 2014. I remember that. That's awesome. Collabello. Yeah, I mean, Chris Calabello were like crushing it. It's just power. That's a lot of raw power there. Go, Trev.

I had like a four war year that year or something like that. Oh, damn. Looks like Granky might have been like the stopper of it after that game. He teared the choice to you up. That makes sense. That makes sense. Treve, what I guess when we talked about this last night, because, you know, we want to show the Hall of Famers love.

It ends up in a, it's a tricky thing because it's like, hey, you know, Todd Helton, really good. More walks and career strikeouts, almost 1.1 for five years. Adrian Beltray, we kind of did, like, a couple ofps ago, and we talked about how truly good he is and, like, you know, has some all-time arguments for him. Joe Mowers, a dude, you, you know, you shared a locker room with for a while. So I think that's probably the best thing to let you talk about for a little bit, and then we can highlight maybe some next future Hall of Famers. I like that.

I mean, look, Joe, anyone that's followed the game remembers Joe as a catcher, I would say. And he just had every single skill set that you could have, you know, as an athlete, not just a baseball player. And he talked about his, you know, his football recruiting saga. It was actually Florida State, not Florida Gators, that he signed with. He could spin it. He's a basketball player. I think everyone knows that.

He was just an all-around incredible athlete. But you got him on that baseball field and things were just different. You know, his swing was so repeatable. Like, I'd say if he went and watched videos of Joe in 2006, you'd probably have the same video. You couldn't tell if it was from 2006 or if it was from 2006. or if it was from 2017. Like he just was so consistent with how he approached his swing

because it worked. He didn't have to make many changes. And if they did, if he did, it was very, very small adjustment. So he had that swing that was just so pretty

and so consistent. But I remember the first time I really got, you know, or I was like super impressed with Joe was I was taking throws from him at shortstop, like doing infield,

outfield, in spring training, he could rip the ball, dude. Like when he threw the ball, that's the first time I've ever thought about, like, spin rate or like life, really, from somebody other than a pitcher. That ball came off,

and you thought it was going to skip. Like, there were times where you thought this ball, you're going to have to pick it, and it would just hit you in the palm because it just had that extra giddy up on it, man, and it was just so effortless. And I feel like I'm doing him a disservice by saying, oh, it was so natural.

it's effortless all this this dude worked but when you saw him on the field everything just looked effortless it just looked so natural and I don't think people also realize how big of a person he is he's I gotta say he's 6-4 and he's got a little bit of weight to him

but he could just move gracefully like he's one of those guys that was he could run too you know when needed like everything that you wanted as an athlete Joe is it and then to top it off which really pisses me off sometimes

he's just so nice man like he's genuinely just like a awesome person and a great husband and a great dad and like sometimes you're just you're like man like where's the flaw joe and i haven't found one yet i really haven't and that's the truth like he's just he's a guy man and if you're from minnesota or the surrounding areas i feel like everyone considers him like part of their family like extended like a cousin or something, man. Like people just love this guy. And I mean, I don't know what else there is to say, but, you know, congratulations, obviously, Joe, you're just,

you're not just a Hall of Fame ball player. You're a Hall of Fame person. Yes. Great. That's true. So Joe Maurer was the number one QB recruit. You're right about Florida State. He was going to follow Chris Winky, who won the Heisman and other QBs that he

was ranked ahead of Matt liner, Kellan Clemens, Derek Anderson. So like he's, I don't know, dude was no joke. It's 600 in high school, too, it mentions there, which is always just a reminder, like, okay. Do you guys remember the Brett Gardner slide play? Like, just shit like that. This guy's got some incredible highlights. Like he reaching around the net catching the foul ball.

That play with Brett Gardner, the play where he catches the ricochet behind his back without even looking like he's a freak dude a freak assing oh oh Trey Mancini has signed a minor league deal with the Miami Marlins wow there we go Get it Trey

Gabe Capler right there Oh I saw a picture of him at Jameson's wedding I believe Congrats Jamo Mancini yeah Congrats Jammo Where do they connect? Cubs My brother was at a wedding this winter

that Tray Mancini was at. Oh, wedding season. He was at a couple weddings this year. Good stuff. I think it was like his college roommate or something. My brother works with, I don't know, Notre Dame guy. Okay.

Anything else on Helton or Blanking? Adrian Beltray. Beltray. I mean, obviously I don't know them as much as I know Joe, but incredible players. Beltrae, I learned so much about just watching him and he was always incredibly kind and willing to share.

information. I remember people telling me, don't watch how he does things because you can't do it like that. And it's true. Like he just, he threw the ball a little differently, like all those different arm angles that he had. But really, another guy that just, you can learn so much by watching, you know, what he did in between pitches and kind of where he's set up and, you know, how he, the best infielders are anticipators. And you could just see. like him anticipating and he was just so good at that and he always was so low i think if i i think if you know i tell young kids all the time if you're going to play infield you have to stay low like that is the you have to be as close to the ground as possible for as long as possible and beltrade was like that's what he did he was always low always getting into the ball and it didn't matter where he had to throw from he was that shit was on the mark as never bun on him that was basically the rule Good rule. Nice.

Yeah, congrats to all those guys. Congrats. And do we have like any ballots out? Are people ripping on anyone? Yes. Always. But any specifically terrible ones? Many.

Yeah, I don't think we can do that. Okay. I always like the guy. Yeah, but there's usually one guy who like, you know, voted for. There's a few no votes this year. There's always a few. How could you vote for this guy? I'm a no vote fan.

Right. Why'd you only vote? You only voted Rod? Like, yeah. Yeah. I think some of the other things like to talk about. Gary Sheffield didn't make it. That was his last time on the ballot.

So his chance now will be with the committee later on. I'm small hall. He was close. He was close. And he was kind of like, you know, gaining traction. then it just didn't happen when the ballots, you know, kind of were all in at the end. But he was the closest one. That's a bummer.

Sure, that's a sad day. But in, like, 20 years you can get in. Yeah, I think Billy's getting in next year. He was like three votes away. I think five votes short, Billy was, and he is the last year next year, which always gets a little bit of a bump. Yeah. All right, well, we got some future Hall of Famers.

You're going to break out this year? I think so. We put a tweet out yesterday. You know, it's here from the people season. Always a talking baseball reminder. You know your team better than us. But you also daydream a little bigger this time of year. So we want to see who people were daydreaming on as the next breakout stars.

We got a bunch of tweets and responses, so thank you guys for that. And we sort it through a few. and wanted to highlight a few bodies. So I don't know if anyone wants to kick off particularly. Yeah, I mean, I just got a guy that I'm rooting for, basically. Good. So it's not like a Keith Law statistical. I think he's going to break out because of this.

It's just, hey, I'd like this guy to do good. Logan O'Hoppy. Yeah. Brutal injury last year when he was off to, you know, a 2014 Trevor Plouf-esque start. 283, batting average 339. on base 547 slugging 886. Now it's just April.

It's the first month, but he was tearing it up for a while and catching part of the Angels when they were having fun and all that good stuff. He did make it back onto the field at the end of the year, mid-August and then all of September. And the batting average and the on-base percentage weren't there, but he still slugged really well. I think he popped 10 homers in that month and a half,

which is a lot. for a month and a half for, you know, a rookie. He had a 481 slugging in those last final 35 games. So, I'm down on the Angels, but I'm up on, oh, Hoppy. Happy kid from the East Coast, friends with Nikki Cass. I want him to see him tear it up. And, you know, catchers who can hit. Let's do it.

I like that. I was looking to see, like, where he was drafted, what's his, you know, his prospect pedigree, if you will, 23rd round at a high school by the Phillies. And then the dude just banged and got himself into the conversation as, you know, an up-and-comer and a guy that we all have been watching and wanting to break out. So I like that. I like that when you get a guy that's drafted late and just gets into pro ball and crushes it. It's 23 years old.

Doesn't get to catch Otani anymore. That's a bummer. Oh, man, he crushed fastballs. What do you expect from a rookie? but he dominated fastballs. Got a little taste of everywhere. Unfortunately, the I.L. But he comes back and he plays with the...

He at least shows the pop, which, you know, if you have a shoulder injury, that's one of the concerns. So he showed that. The beginning of the year, he was a little more contact Ian on base. He was at the bottom of the lineup. Got moved up to the middle of the lineup

for the halos late in the year. He got a little taste of everything. So just bring it this year. The Prida West, West, I slip, is slip New York? Is slip, I think. I don't know, I'd ask me. I slip. I was wrong.

Look at that. Maybe it slips another place. Pronunciation pod. Oh, it has been. Who do you got, Jake? A lot of kids on those halos. I'm excited for the guy Trebs going to talk about. Okay.

So that's how you tease the people a little bit. Yeah. You keep them going. You want me to go? I'm going to go? I'm going to go? Oh, no. Sounds hungry.

No. No, I'm good. I'm not hungry, actually. I'm starting to get hungry that time of day, skipping breakfast. That's how you keep this figure. I'm going to go with an obvious one, but it's one that,

I don't know. I think we probably need to talk about more. Grayson Rodriguez. Top pitching prospect, right? Like we, sometimes with these, top prospects. You kind of want that instant. Like, okay, get called up.

Give me the Strasbourg 45 strikeout game in his first game. Grayson Rodriguez got that tough Major League love. He got called up for the baby birds. Meanwhile, they're rolling. And he was getting popped. And we've talked about this a little bit on talking baseball. But man, oh man, his first 10 games, Welcome to the big league's top pitching prospect, Grayson Rodriguez.

45.1 innings to the tune of a 735 ERA. A guy that's been dominant, his whole baseball life up into that point. Welcome to the show, you're getting lit up. He goes back down to the minors. You know, who knows what he takes in at that point? Orioles fans, you probably know better than me. What was the biggest change? Was it pitch mix?

Was it demeanor? Was it staying away? from something. He comes back up middle of July. Hey, these birds need you. We need pitching. Who are they going to edit at the deadline? Are they going to get cease, bro?

13 starts. 76.2 innings, a 258ERA. In a way, you know, you could already say he broke out. But I think it's these Orioles, like every team in baseball now, except like the Phillies and a couple of the big boys, are looking for that sustained. success. You know, they don't want to necessarily put the chips all in on the table until their hand is forced. I mean, a Baltimore team that went on to win 101 game still doesn't feel like

their hands are forced at all. And part of the reason is, because they say Grayson Rodriguez is going to be one of the best pitchers in the AL next year. And they might be right, man. I mean, getting to watch him pitch, sometimes we say these generic stuff about, you know, to be a starting pitcher, you really need three or things like that. Man, watching him pitch his fastball, his side curve, and then his right on right change up for a young pitcher, you just don't see it. You don't see it. So, yeah, man, there's an argument he already broke out, but I'll, I think for the full year, it's coming. I think he's going to add some different fastballs to his repertoire. that's what he did when he came back at the end of the year.

He upped the fastball. He got rid of the cutter and used the change up more. So when he first came up, he was trying to use the slider, the curve. He was like more of a mix. By the end in September, he threw the fastball 56% of the time, upped it to 50. And then I was just reading an article saying he might try to get a little two seamer in there as well. So it seems like he came up.

not knowing what his pitch mix as an MLB pitcher is going to be. Or that kind of got like, oh shit, like throwing this face. Because the article I'm reading and says, yeah, he came back up. He's like, I got to throw my fastball better. Just spot it. Yeah, I think that was location for him. Because his fastball got crushed early on. I think it's all a location with that pitch.

And, you know, his off-speed pitches mentioned the change, the slider. Those are good for him. But if you can't locate the fastball, doesn't matter how hard you throw. It doesn't matter your extension, anything like that. it's going to get blasted. I was looking at, you know, when he first came up in the month of May, he had five games.

One dot against him for the OPS. 1.246. That's got to hurt the ego a little bit. You get sent down and then, honestly, to come back up and have success like that really shows like, you know, you have the stuff, but the mental fortitude, as Jake likes to say, to handle that is, It's impressive, especially for a young guy.

So I like the Grayson Rodriguez pick right there. Career in the minor leagues, 333 innings, a 24 ERA. I bet his high school stats are decent too. So, man, to be 23 at the show, you'd never been lit up in your life. You get called up. You get lit up. And hey, a little credit to him, because a lot of people can feel a lot of different emotions in that situation.

he went down to AAA and he looks like he was embarrassing some kids. He had a 196 ERA and 41 innings. Just taking it out. Yeah. Dad beats. You want me to be good? Bam. Yeah.

Dad beats the older brother in basketball. So older brother turns around beats his infant brother. Playing one-on-one versus the dog. Yeah. Been there. It does. Tucker, get over here. Tucker was good.

That's why he sent him away. I'm handed the ball. He went to a better home. Okay. All dogs go to heaven. That's a movie. Tucker might still be alive. We gave him to a guy.

A tree fell in our backyard. Lady in the Tramp is also a movie. You want to name one joke? And 101 Dalmatians. I'm going to go with a catcher. We're going to stay. Homeward Bound. With the battery.

That's Airbud. My dog skip. Now we're rolling. Some good movies right there. Darn it. I'm going to stay with catcher. Marley and me. that's a sad movie

Don't you dare bring that movie See your life of pets Don't you dare dare do that Up Is that a dog movie? Sneakily you think it's not a dog And that's a sneaky dog That opening scene

I've never seen it Halfway through the movie It's just dogs like alien dogs Like what? You guys really rope Don't mean to this Spoilers Played that in middle school dance

Then I just walked in Like after the opening scene That's so sad So I've only seen the fun part of the movie Yeah. All right, Trev. Who's your breakout star? We've teased it enough.

He's a dog. We teased it a lot. He's a catcher. I don't know if I said that yet. This is a guy who's kind of been blocked, I guess, and the block is gone. I'm going with Luis Campuasano, the San Diego Padres. This guy mashes, dude. And we kind of talk about how if you can have a catcher that gives you as an offensive threat in this game.

It's like a cheat code kind of. Like you're ahead of the game. Like, if you can get off. offense from your catching position, your roster is going to be better from it. So his story, you know, he's had a few chances, never really got an extended run. He's been blocked by, you know, Nola. And then he got, he got hurt. So they bring Gary Sanchez in.

And then all of a sudden, Gary Sanchez becomes Blake Snell's personal catcher. So they're, you know, he's had some time, but not enough. Both those guys are gone now. He's going to get the bulk of the catching duties in 2024. And, dude, you got to watch this. This guy swing the bat. He takes absolute monster hacks. Like for a catcher to take hacks like that,

like you just don't see it that often. And he does, man. So I'm excited to watch him, you know, in limited time last year, 163 at bats, it's 319, 491 slug, 134 OPS plus. That's, you know, you put up numbers like that. You're going to be a top five offensive catcher. So this is a guy who's finally going to get, you know,

enough of bats to put up those counting stats to kind of like show he belongs and when you when you have when you're going to be the guy and you know that even if you struggle a little bit you're still going to get playing time and not get sent sent down like it just there's there's something about that that gives you content so i'm i'm really really looking forward to seeing you know how they use him how much uh because they did bring in our guy higashioka there um and the thing that's kind of really interesting to me is you have this guy who he's compi on I'm talking about now. He's going to be a good big league hitter.

But you know, like, one of their top prospects with the Padres is that 14-year-old catcher kid. So if he stays a catcher, it's like, yeah, Ethan Salas. This window might not be open for too long. So it's kind of like if you're him, you got to take advantage and then kind of see, like, which one's going to be trade bait, you know, or it's an interesting kind of like career that he's had, having to, you know, not really, you know, get his shot. just yet he's going to get it knowing that the guy behind him is this young kind of phenom you know

sometimes i had that with miguel seno it's all they ever talked about is it one of me going to get this fucking guy ploof out of here and bring up Miguel seno and it motivates you man you're like fuck that like i'm i'm here i'm a good player uh so i think we're going to see not only him have the confidence from playing every day but also you know a little bit of push from the guy that's that's behind him that everybody else is talking about um seriously though if you haven't watched this I play, go watch and take hacks because it's, it's pretty cool. I will say, and I know that Salas is a freak and probably the expectation, not the rule. Catcher is a position that usually marinerates longer in the minor leagues, for sure.

Like a lot of catchers, like, oh, Hopi 23 is pretty young, in my opinion for catcher. But like all those guys that usually get called up that are 19, 20, 21 years old, very rarely is that at the catching position. I don't have the data in front of me. But because you work with all the pitching staff. Yeah. There's more things you've got to learn. You really need to own. Salas is 17.

He reached AA last year. No, I know. He's an outlier, for sure. Yeah. It's crazy. But even like Adley, what was he, 24 when he, his rookie year? I think so. Yeah.

He was out of college, though, right? Yeah, he did the college guy. Camposano is interesting because building him off of what you just mentioned, Jim. He actually got called up one game in 2020, 21 years. 21 years old homers Yeah Can be a worst case scenario Sometime

Top 100 prospect that You know you've got your fan base And we need we need this guy This guy's a stud And then you see that You start salivating Miguel Andhuar Then he comes up

Some injuries He gets just a sample At the big league level And he doesn't hit 11 games nothing 16 games nothing He gets 49 games last year Hits a lot

He's going to be, he just turned 25. There's a lot of opportunity to be a San Diego Padres hitter. That even if, you know, if the catcher thing comes into play, if you're hitting, they'll find a spot for you, kid. And yeah, there is a stat out there. IPA percentage, new stat alert. Yeah, I have something to go off what you were saying too as well. But what's IPA?

Barrel percentage plus solid contact. plus flare burner percentage. I don't have that one. Divided by plate appearances. Luis Camposano, the only guys above him were Arise, Akuna, Bichette, Freeman, and Seeger. A list of pretty good hitters. So, hey, you know, that's obviously a butter knife of a butter knife,

but the kid had some good A.Bs last year. I used to use this line of thinking a lot with Luke Voigt, who was blocked with the Cardinals. And when he got traded the Yankees, and he started like really performing. You know, one of the things he said, he's like, well, I didn't get to play there. I played every three days.

I came in for one at bat at the end of the game. I never got like four at bats a day regularly knew I was going to get at bats and get into a rhythm. And when you look at those game logs for Campesano in 2021 and 2022, it's very much that. Like he never got a string of starts where he was feeling good. He's, you know, starting this day, sitting, starting off the bench, off the bench. And he didn't even get that.

this year in April, where he was like kind of every other day or coming off the bench. But on July 19th, they switched and he became the regular catcher. And from July 19th to September 24th, he appeared in 42 games, started 36 of those games. He slashed 331, 375 on base, 500 slugging, and 875 OPS. So a lot of those other years You have to kind of look at them and be like That's really tough to do Yeah

Especially when you're young No I'm not saying that this is who he's going to be Because that would be he would be in the Hall of Fame already They would just stamp it If he had those numbers as an average But I just think that that line of thinking When Voight said that opened my mind to like Oh you kind of really need to look at these

Like what were they doing? Yes Being just a role player is a really tough thing to do You're not going to get hot really I mean there are times where when you're a role player on the bench and you have to take the abats off the nastiest pitcher because we're going to get the starter out of there

so you don't get him out of his rhythm. Like a bad lefty lefty matchup, all of a sudden you're in against this nasty dude. And you haven't played in four or five days. Yeah, it's a lot of the times when you first come up as a young guy, you're going to get those at bats and you try to do your best with them and just put quality at bats together.

And the coaching staff and everyone, like, don't worry about your numbers. Like your role is what it is But how do you not worry about your numbers, dude? A great coaching line. They'll say that and it's nice to hear like, okay, I guess. I'm not going to get like sent down because I'm horrible, but there's a massive Jumbotron and they show my numbers on there

And I see them and, you know, it means something. But yeah, once you start getting those everyday A, Bs and can get into a rhythm, I think that's when you can really start to judge. You know, these numbers only affect my salary and my lifestyle and my family and all of that. Mental health. I won't worry about them. I won't worry about it. Yeah.

But that's my guy. Great pick. Can I say that when we go to arbitration? Don't worry about those numbers. Remember when I moved that runner over? This. Remember when I was a really good team? I clapped for them, even though I was benched.

That was a good clapper. Who's the Brewer's headcoat? Manager now. Murphy. Pat Murphy saying, don't worry about your stats and just play that. Yeah. For the arbitrator.

Yeah. Mrs. Arbiter, this is what my coach told me half a year. Don't worry about your stats, kid. Don't worry about your stats. Be a good teammate. This conversation. $12 million, please. Seems all about my stats.

So I'm confused. You can understand where I'm getting a little jumbled up. Is that? that the episode? Good job. It was a good episode. Wow. Shout out Royce Lewis. That was going to be my other pick.

Oh my God. How about it? Coming who your breakout star is. Noel V. Noelvie. I like this Reds, Daner Diaz. CJ Abrams.

Riley Green. A lot of breakout players at Cid C. I like them. I'm gonna go hang out with Zach Grinky. You know what? I'm breaking the wall down, dude. Brim.