Talkin' Baseball (MLB Podcast) - Is the Waiver System Bad for Baseball? | 708

Episode Date: August 30, 2023

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Hello and welcome to talking baseball. The Angels unsold or they're untraded, all their trade pieces. They're on waivers. Does this change baseball forever? We're going to talk about it. Hello and welcome to talking baseball. Brought to you by Seatkeek. My name is Jimmy.

I got Jake sitting next to me. We got Treb in California and producer BBD behind the dish. August 30th. And we've got a bizarre topic. I think there's a lot of ways this goes because the angels have placed all the guys they traded for on waivers. What does that mean? What does that mean for the rest of this season in Major League Baseball? Which teams are going to act on this?

Which teams are going to benefit? What does this mean for next year and the future of trade deadlines and strategy? I'm interested in all the conversations surrounding this. I'm excited to talk about it. With you guys, Trev, how are you doing? dames and Jacob and Beavers I'm doing great

you know I love when something like this kind of lands in our lap because it's a it's a part of the baseball season that we don't talk about a lot but this I feel like this used to be a much bigger deal

they ended the whole waiver period and now it's become this and the angels deciding to we'll get into it I got a lot of takes on this as well I kind of want to just go right into it, but to answer your question, I'm doing great.

I'm happy to talk ball with you guys, Jacob. What's up, bro? Trev James Davis. Yeah, that was a little peel back the onion. Me and BBD were talking a little scheming, you know, what's the midweek going to be tomorrow, some players who can save their season, some other different fun topics we've done. And we're like, you know what, let's also see what baseball gives us. and then when as nuclear as it has since the deadline, basically.

So excited to talk, the waiver stuff with you. And a little early shoutout. My guy Alex Cobb, our guy Alex Cobb, backfield Alex Cobb. 8.2 with the no-no, gives it up on the last hitter. It was an electric scene in San Francisco. I was lucky enough to be watching it live because, Trev, I also had a fantasy football draft last night. So as I closed the laptop, and I look back,

back up and it's, oh, Cobbs, the little no-hitter thing up there. I didn't realize that. Throwing, I think he threw like 80 splitters last night. His pitches were moving all over the place. It was a lot of fun. That Austin Slater catch in the eighth is like my dream, like my center field dream is that catch. And the Giants crowd was electric last night.

So it's funny. The power of sports, man. It could kick in at any moment, Jim. Monet. Monet. Monet Davis. World Series is over. Bebs, how are you?

I'm doing well. I'm excited to have this topic. You know, you don't expect to get something specifically exciting this time of year in baseball. That's besides gameplay. Yes. Nice gift to the midweek. I'm as interested in both sides of the conversation of like what this means for the rest of the season, which I think we should do first.

And then the back end, which is more broad and can go a lot of different ways, is what this can mean for. MLB and the rules and do they like this and all that. But let's start first and list the guys that have been put on waivers and wonder if this was a shady move or not. Ooh, my guy, Shady Ray at the warehouse. Shady rays. Shady rays, number one sunglasses in the world.

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Simple as that for your simple ass. Whoa. Kid Cuddy. I don't like your. tone right now with me at all. I haven't talked to you the whole time. If this is a debate, I'd get to have an answer, a rebuttal, because you did mention me in your ad read.

Yeah, that's true. I was another Trevor. So get over yourself. Jim, you were excited for this? I like this. I'm trying to find a list of just officially all the guys that are on waivers, because we don't have that unless I'm blanking on it. The difference of this waiver period

and the waiver period that used to be in baseball is the fact that teams if they made a claim on a player that you put on waivers you had time to negotiate a trade. Now this is just straight up we're releasing you, we're designating you, and a team now has a chance to pick you up on waivers

strictly for nothing for the cash that you're owed. So that's the difference. taken on your salary. We used to be able to swap players still, still have some sort of trade. Now it's just straight up money and the player. That's it. Yes. And the reason that they're doing this yesterday is because it's a two-day waiver claim.

And teams, if they grab your player, they have to cover the salary, so they have to pay for them. They would be doing that to add them to the postseason roster. and you need them to be on the 40 man before September 1st. So if you want these players, you would need to grab them and add them to the 40 man before September 1st. So that's why it all happened on the date. It's the deadline. There's a two-day window where you're on waivers,

and then teams can add them, and they would be part of the playoff team because no one's going to grab your guy and pay for them if they can't be part of the playoff team. Or maybe they would. The Red Sox did it with the Glathias at one time, but that's kind of why. Minor minutia, you just have to be in the organization.

These guys would be added directly to your 40, man. But you can do a September call up and they're eligible. The guy has to be in your organization. Yes. So the Angel started it, but I think all the teams that did it were going to do it on this day because it is the date. But they put Lucas Gialito, Matt Moore, Reynaldo Lopez, Hunter Renfro, Randall Gritchick on waivers.

the Yankees put Harrison Bader on waivers. The Guardians put Clevenger. No, White Sox put Clevenger on waivers, and there's someone else. Cookie Carasco from the Mets and Cicenero, another reliever from the Tigers. So it's a way, you know, if you're a team not contending anymore,

there's three reasons you would do this. One, you can give this player a chance to go play in the postseason. And that's like a friendly way to look at if you want to say a nice way to do it. That's probably not the main reason. Josh Donaldson. Main reason is salary relief.

If someone grabs this, whatever's left, they take on. And if you're not competing for the postseason, you probably want to play some rookies and some younger guys. And this opens up a spot for guys that you can start seeing what you have for next year. So there are some valid reasons for teams to do this. Second half of the show, it's like should MLB is this the best way to go about it? I'm super interested in where we think these guys will go and the order that's presented and the fact that some teams might want to lose today and get better place in the standings.

There's so much, yeah, so much to dive in. I feel like we should kind of touch on like the angels and like reasoning that they did it. Obviously they went, I don't know if I'm going to call it all in to keep Otani. But they didn't go, they didn't trade him. and they brought in some pieces. They traded some top prospects to bring in the guys that we mentioned, Gritchick and Ronaldo and Lucas.

One of the biggest reasons that I saw for them doing this is, number one, they're out of it. They're trying to recoup anything that they can, and that includes salary. But if they do get rid of these guys, they're within the first competitive balance tax tier. this would take them out of that and under it if all these guys left. And what that would do would make the compensation pick for Shohei go from after the fourth round to after the second round.

So they're just trying to get back anything that they can at this point, which is a smart thing for them after they're out of it, as Mike Trout's done and Shohei's basically done. So to me, like, you know, if you're, if you're going to go trash on the angels today, just remember the fact that they went for it and they tried to keep show hay. I don't know if it was too little too late, but at least they tried to keep them. It went horribly wrong. And now this is them just trying to recoup anything. And I actually respect them for it. I think, I know you can look hindsight back at those moves and say, you should have traded show. Hey, you should never have given up any of your prospects to get those guys.

But, like, at the time, everyone was applauding it because we wanted to see that happen for them. And it just, I mean, they went 7 and 17. There's 7 and 17 since the trade deadline. So it went horribly wrong. And this is their chance to recoup something from it. It got ugly fast. And yeah, I mean, for all the LOL angel stuff out there,

which is pretty easy. I mean, this is kind of, this is the right move. This is the right move. So, God. tough year for Halo's fans, and it might just be the tip of the iceberg a little bit. Although, hey, if they... Tough year for Halo fans. If they get that draft pick up, their past two draft picks are playing MLB ball and look pretty good.

So, hey, go Halos go. And that'll probably be the last time we compliment the Halos. This is so... This is so good for now. And I know Jimmy wants to get to that part at the second half of the show, because, like, what does this mean going forward? But, man, and yeah, Treve, I do like that you brought up the history a little bit, because the old waiver trade times,

like some teams used to put like their whole team on waivers and just be like, hey, what do you got? Like if we can still fire this up and something can work out, this is different. This is essentially a salary dump. And it's going to be crazy to see where a lot of these players land. And which one of these teams is going to step up? Hey, Cinty, which one of these teams is going to step up

and really make this? their move, because it's a few of these guys are going to end up on playoff teams and could be filling in huge roles. A few could end up on bubble. I think all of them are going to end up on the bubble teams that may or may not get in. Like, I don't know if any of them get to Philly. I don't know Philly any of these names clear all the way till Philly. Between the Blue Jays, the Cubs, the Twins, the D-Backs, the Reds, the Giants, the Reds, the

marlins. I think all these guys are going to get claimed. And then it's just interesting where they go. Like the Rangers would love the relievers to get to them, but I don't think that's going to happen. I think so. Yeah. And I think we did say this,

but if we haven't, it goes, it's reverse record as of Thursday. So tomorrow. So today's games, where you have the Diamondbacks and the Red Sox with the same record, uh,

tonight's game could be the difference whether like a Lucas Gialito slips to you or something. I don't know. That part is crazy and feels totally wrong. I think that's down the line. But yeah, Jim, you kind of mentioned all the bubble teams there. And it's, man, what a game of chicken. Because, like, Marlins just dropped to 500. Let's play some guys.

All right. Now, my other question was, what if the Marlins, now they won't do this? The A's could do it if they're hilarious. Just put a claim in all of them, right? I don't think you can. I think it's one and then you would revert back. I tried to look this up and there was a lot of threads on it. And what I read and I don't know because it was confusing was that per player,

it reverts back. Like you can't put the claim, like they changed the rule so you can't claim the same player twice at all. It was the Nottingham rule because the Brewers and the Mariners just traded them back and forth all season. so like if you've put a claim in if you put a claim in on gilito and then you don't get him and then he goes on waivers again you can't do it again but i think per player it's they all just hit the market but i don't know it would be so weird it because this is like

a coordinated effort it would be weird if gilito hit one day the aes put a claim in and on him and then the next day Urchella hits and the A's are like oh shit we can't put a claim on him now I don't think that's how I think they could also put a claim on our shell it's just so much roster moving they have to do to claim so many people but I don't know I'm interested in traffic because I was reading and people were debating this thing can they just claim multiple people

yeah in my head it was you got you picked your guy reverted back but I guess we can get some clarification of the rule if you can because some guys hit the market at different times normally. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yeah, you're right about that. You're right about that. So like in my example, if Gioledo went first and the A's have a claim, they're like, yep. And then O'Shella goes four hours later. They would have to take revert like never mind reverse. Don't want Gialito rather a position player. And you can only have one claim in on a time. That might make sense. I don't know. We definitely need clarification. Because that makes everything interesting. Right, right now the Marlins are,

going to have the first shot of this of the contending teams. Now, the Guardians and the Yankees are below the Marlins, and I don't know why they would put any claims in. Of contending teams, the Marlins at 66 and 66, no matter what happens today, they'll have the worst record of contending teams, so they'll have the first pick or all the picks. I think one of the other things that's hilarious

for the storyline of this season, if the goddamn San Diego Padres were like three or four wins better, I think this whole segment would be the Padres are going to snag as many as the rules allow them to be. Because they've been looking for the second half of their lineup all year. You think they couldn't use Renfro or Gritchick? They've been looking for a fifth starter most of the year. You think they couldn't use Giolito or any of the Penn guys? It's so crazy that they're just like a couple.

A couple wins away from, I think they would have been the whole topic of this episode. If that's allowed. Looking, I believe I have an update on the rule and it appears, like, one team could claim all of these guys. In the athletic, there is no limit to how many claims a team can submit. So in theory, the athletics could use their number one waiver priority to claim a quarter of the Angels roster on waivers so long as they find the roster space to fit all of them. Okay. Yeah. Okay.

Which makes more sense. It's completely different in my mind. By the way, are you a Pythagorean win-loss guy? Who is, though? You are. I like it. I'm not. No, you love it.

It's based off of- Don't tell me what I am. You love it. It's based off of run differential. Exactly. So the podgers have negative 10 luck and they should be according to the Pythagorean win-loss. Can you even guess? They should be 72 and 61 right now, according to this theory.

What's the Rangers? What are the Texas Rangers? The Rangers are minus seven, so they should actually be 82 and 50 instead of 75-57. Yeah. A lot of it is like, does your bullpen sink? The Orioles have the best luck in the league. Good bullpen. I mean, a lot of the Pythagromb is like, can you keep close games close?

It's winning close games. They're blowing out. It's run differential. That's it. Yeah. All right. So Harrison Bader for the Yankees is a really, really good center fielder and can track down balls. if you can slot him into the 8-9 hole,

he can give you some at-bats. Also been good versus lefties. He's been bad-vers-righted. What's interesting is the Marlins have the first. If you start at the Marlins, then the Reds and the Giants. They all have center-fielder's on their team. All three of those teams are the worst outs above average in center field

and bottom of the league OPS from center-fielders. Now, they have some names there that, or do you pick up Bayter as a fourth outfielder to help you out defensively? But that was the, I just looked at like, go who needs a defensive center fielder just an outs above average defensively as a defensive replacement. And yeah, the reds are the second last.

The 29th outs above average in centerfield. Then the Giants are 25th. So I don't know. He's, if you need a fourth outfielder, it's not that much money and he's there for you. If you're down for some platoon stuff, he's crushed lefties this year. And the money attached to it isn't crazy, I don't believe. We're like Renfro is like a. million dollars. So if you're a team that's worried about that, I don't know where that goes

into play. Yeah, I think I think Bader's right around there too. I think he's just under a mill. I think I think Renfro's closer to two. It's 12 mil, six-month season. That, yeah, I, going into the teams a little bit for me, I think, you're saying Miami's going to have first, first licks on this. And we do know they added at the deadline, but but they have been poorest since. And I, the main topic of this is money. Like, that's,

that's the biggest reason the halos are doing this. Otherwise, they would have just let these guys write it out with Shohay and watch them have a 1.4 for the month and ride it out into the sunset. But they're saving money. So the first two teams that are up, the Marlins and the Reds, the Marlins have a previous history of being like MLB's cheapest franchise. the wheels are falling off quick.

How much are they really going to add? I know a million dollars seems like nothing when we do, you know, free agency and that kind of thing. But for the Marlins front office, a team that if they lose tonight, they're a game under 500, I really don't see them making the big moves. Like they have bodies in their rotation.

I mean, they've always needed a stick, but I think their financial equation is, it's always been the biggest concern with the Marlins, no? Yeah, and that was Loria. He gave out money. But the new ownership is cutting, cut and cutting, I read X-Rubs. My mind is just spinning right now.

Like, the Padres aren't going to claim any of these guys, right? No. There's seven and a half games back of a playoffs, and would have to jump four teams. If they had won, like, two or three more games, I think they would, but they can't. They can't. they can

they can I mean they could but they can if they do if they do then the whole thing's fucked and MLB is going to

really make sure this doesn't happen again why do you think that it's so bad to have this situation go on what do you mean

like why wouldn't Moby not want this to happen just because because you're going to have now a team that had no business trading for guys, trade for guys, and they had no business trading for guys.

And now they're going to offer them to more teams who have priority pick to grab them that also probably aren't going to make the postseason nor go on a deep run. And the entertainment product of baseball is better to have all the free agents go help contending teams that are in the postseason like they did for decades instead of having all these guys go to teams that are just going to waste it. Like that's like an exciting part of the trade deadline is which playoff teams and real good teams are going to bolster themselves. And with the expanded playoffs, we are just bolstering middling teams. This does nothing for a third party fan.

So you're saying that you think there'll be too many teams aggressive at the trade deadline because they can just put them Yes. I think the trade deadline is, this is second half show, fucked next year with this strategy. But this has always been until, there's always been a situation where you could just put guys on waivers.

So what's, but what's kind of the difference? Four more teams, four more teams going, making the playoffs at 500. Yeah, I guess. Until 2020,

you were allowed, or 2019, you were allowed to do like the waiver trade deadline. I have no problem with that. You could do just real trade. then. It's just, it's a little unfair because I think we, because the angels are the angels, you know, coming into this season in their PPP, a team profile in projection, I was like, I won't be hurt by this team again because I've seen what this franchise has done.

When the Angels traded for Lucas Gialito, they were a game and a half up on the Mariners, who are now your AL West division leaders. Like the Chicago Cubs were 500. The, the halos were two games ahead of them. So, like, saying no, business trading for them. No, I mean, the Angels are, but we have a lot of teams in that bubble trading for guys. Right, but the trade deadline just kind of isn't what it used to be because it used to be studs went to the good teams and they were in the bright lights. Because there's more playoff teams and they're trying to bolster their team.

Like, you're not wrong there. That's my great. There's too many playoffs. The Cubs got Candelario and they look, they've looked great. Like, they look like a really good team. So I don't know. I don't know. You know what?

No matter what. the rules are and this is like after and you guys know we've been labor pod we've been the number one labor pod in the country ever doesn't matter what the rule set is teams will find a way they'll find loopholes in the rules like essentially that's what this is i mean like they'll they'll find ways to work within the rules and sometimes without outside the rules but most the time within the rules and it's hard to make a perfect system i guess I'm just, I'm happy some of these players will see postseason action now. So that's a good second result.

But I do think the deadline next year, teams will just, especially if you're like the angels, we're like, yeah, they gave up their top two and three prospects. They weren't top prospects in MLB. So if you have a bad farm, here, take some top picks. And then if this doesn't work out, we'll just cut bait. The flip side of that is that, like, oh, they don't have many prospects that are anything. like should are they going to be like people are saying they shouldn't have given up on the few guys that they have at like the top that are maybe anything yeah i don't know prospects are

mostly usually nothing agree but another example of working within the rules that i think is probably going to happen more going forward is what like cohen did uh buying prospects essentially buying a higher prospect when you trade your asset by paying down the salary. I think that should catch on with teams. I like that. If you're a big market team, that's your advantage. You should be doing that. That was very, more teams need to be doing that.

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Blue moon made brighter. Celebrate responsibly. Click the link in the description. Yeah, I guess the thing as we're looking at, you know, the loopholes or problems with this is, okay, you know, they made a whole thing of getting rid of the August waiver trade deadline. And now the conversation is, you know, if I'm the Minnesota twins, do I think about losing a game or two to get the righty power bat I've been looking for all season and Gritchick and Renfro. Like that's where this becomes a problem because I guess if I'm at the drawing board right now,

and we don't know what's going to happen. Like we have never seen this before in this CBA and this format that that's the part that's a bummer that it's almost like, hey, if a team like the Halos one, put their tail between their leg and, you know, we saw a couple other teams do it too, so I shouldn't just bury the Halos, my Yanks. like why isn't trading actually on the table? Because that, you know, the Mariners here kind of get screwed from getting hot. Like, you know, a week ago, the Mariners would have had a leg up on Houston and Texas

and maybe they get Rinaldo Lopez or they get Gritchick. We're now one of their opponents, Houston or Texas, might have a shot at them before them, just because they've had a hot two weeks. That's where things are the most messed up in this currently. and I wonder if they think this is going to be a thing like do you just go back to the old waiver trade system? I don't know.

I don't know either. I don't think that I think if you, I'd rather win games and be ahead than like get a chance to have another guy on my team. So I don't think the Mariners are mad about it. I do think that's a good point about the twins. So the twins are in the best position here because the divisions there, they literally can lose on purpose tonight

and it would help them. and it won't affect their chances at the playoffs at all. I mean, I know they're playing the Guardian, so technically it does affect their chances. They're going to win the division. The Guardians don't care about it. So they could throw in the towel tonight just to make sure that they have a better waiver claim

than the Red Sox. So there is some funny business. They have the same record. Yeah, exactly. So like they, because they're, what are they up right now, I think they're up six games in the division. And again, Cleveland is this, they're not trying to win the division.

So even if they lost tonight and we're only up five, it gives them a chance to get, I don't know if they, I don't know who they would even take up from. Haven't you been telling us that the twins need right-handed power for the past three months and Gritchick? Enter Royce Lewis back in the fold. Nice.

Yeah, Carl's great. He needs to hit a fastball. But I think if the twins were to go after any, would probably bullpen help. I don't think, I mean, the sexiest name on there is probably Lucas Gialito, but he's been struggling a little bit, and I don't think they necessarily need starters,

although it could help him with some of the eating of the innings towards the end of the season as I try to keep guys fresh. I think mostly, yeah, every once in a while, you could say a team could use a baiter, could use a right-handed power bat, but to me, this time of the year is about the pitch. whether you need to start or whether they need to bolster your bullpen. I think those guys are probably always the most attractive.

Lopez, I think, is going to be the first to go. Everyone needs bullpen help. We said that so many times before. Matt Moore has been great, too. 11.2 innings since he's come over to L.A. A 231, 19 strikeouts and 11.2 innings. Like, yeah, the bullpen guys are no-brainers. I don't think they make it to any of the real contenders.

Do you think anyone makes it to the real contenders? Who are the real contenders? What are you talking about? Like the division leaders? Like, Phillies are better. Like, I think Marlins, Reds, I don't think they're going to do, I don't think they're going to do Gialito or the hitters.

I don't. Reds? I don't think so. The Reds will take G. Alito on a freaking heart. They should, but I don't think they will. What body of evidence have the Cincinnati Reds given us to think that they would do that? Well, it's not that much money.

Yeah. it's two mill to the reds. Like, I don't know, man. I think that'd be insane if they passed on here. They're not by any tax or anything. I think it's the teams that are nearing numbers that want to avoid numbers at that level. Like, that would be really, really bad look for the Marlins, too. Like claim as many as you can fit on your roster and get everyday use out of or play out of.

I don't know. I don't think the money thing should come into play even for cheap teams because it's not a lot. I think it's going to. The sixth of the overall salary. I mean, I don't, it's, I agree. I think the Reds and the Marlins are going to probably scoop up all of the pitching. I would be surprised if they didn't. I think the relievers.

And those two teams are locked in as the first two picks. After that, it gets a little wishy-washy with who can, who's going to be where. But the Marlins and then the Reds, those are the first two teams that are going to get a chance to claim these guys. and I would be shocked. And I don't know. I mean, I guess I think Matt Moore is a solid, left-handed option out of the pen.

Lopez, solid option out of the pen. Lucas Gialito, you're going to take a flyer on him for sure. I think those three guys gone, but those first two picks for sure. Do you think, I don't know, do you think any of those guys skyrocket a team? Gialito would have to figure it.

out. He hasn't been great for the Angels at all. The relievers, they're not going to I'm not going to boost you that much. Orchella. He's out for the year. He's out for the year. Renfro. Renfro is everyday player. Keep saying, Rochella. If Gialito can come back and like, you know, find, you know, a competitive spirit

and new change of scenery for the Reds, I think he'd be... He's the biggest game changer, right? But, like, he would surely help their chances as being a guy who's, you know, taking the ball every five days for quite some time in the big leagues. They don't have a lot of guys like that.

Yeah, I mean, Gioito would arguably be their one if they made the playoffs. Oh, my gosh, bro. I think Gialito can be the, the biggest impact piece. We talk about whenever the postseason rolls around, you want those starting pitchers. That, yeah, I think he will feel like the biggest win for a team.

I do think, and I don't know if it's your twins or I don't know where they end up landing, but putting the Gritchicks or putting Hunter Renfro like in the bottom of your lineup for basically no risk. you know, Gritchick's got a 7-76 OPS this year. Like, that's, you're adding depth and another MLB bat. Game-changing, I don't know. Gialito's your biggest shot at it, but.

Yeah. Or if, like, yeah, if Gritchick or Renfer caught fire, but. Can you give you a good month? But Gialito's a bigger if he catches fire. Yeah. I'm trying to think what the twins want. want to do right now.

Like, they don't have a lot of spots that are just open right now because the young guys are playing so well. Buxton, I think, just started the rehab assignment. Royce is back. So Buxton, I think they talked to him a little bit about is an opening of him playing center field this year.

After all this time, they said it's never going to happen. They came out that, like, they've had conversations about it, all this. If he's just a DH, then I guess you, you could scoop up one of those guys and just stick them on the bench. You'd have to get rid of like maybe Gallo.

I mean, there's Loplo and Gallo, I think, would be the first two guys. They'd probably remove from the roster. And then, I mean, Gallo's a lefty, so you're not really, I guess, yeah, you don't need another lefty. So I could see that happening. There's one other name that we've kind of left out for most of this. It's Clevenger. Clevenger 18 starts.

He has a 3-3-2 ERA this year. Career 338 ERA. Like, that's another guy that could he be the Reds best pitcher for a month? I think so. He's been in a black hole that is the White Sox organization. My Diamondbacks have been looking for another starter. I think if they get a chance at Giolyto or Clevenger, I think they bite.

And that's where the Giants winning behind an almost Alex Cobb no hitter, like I think they would have been the first team that cleaned up everyone. like their big market they went big big sea fishing this off season like i think if the giants had you know four of those five guys sitting there i think they'd be like yeah let's come over to san francisco let's fire it up and like winning last night's game may have taken them out of that which that part doesn't feel right to me i guess they're all jumbled up there the red socks diamondbacks twins and giants are all basically tied the giants have a leg up there they played one less game so one less in the loss column.

So technically they could, if all those other teams won tonight, they could have the third shot. They're playing the Reds. They can't pass the Reds. So they could have the third shot. Maybe they do get a chance at a Clevenger or somebody like that.

Surely they need starting pitching, even though they have now Cobb, Webb, and Harrison looks to be a guy guy You need another one The uh The athletic article That I referenced earlier

Laid out Two different scenarios That would be like a real bummer To the whole thing Way less fun Like a team like the Guardians Might need an innings eater And grab somebody

Weird example Don't think they would do it But an example Or there could be just Spike claims Like you don't want your division guy To get this guy Yankees could just say

fuck everybody in the AL East grab somebody. They're probably not doing it. Weird example. That's the one they cited. Gardens are good example. Like the gardens can get Gialito. Yeah, because they're all young guys up there right now.

I think their whole rotation is rookies. And Chris Rose is admin about them being like, they have innings limits and that's it. They're not passing those limits. Geolito gives you six every night. And they just wave cinderguards. So innings, veteran innings just opened. I could see that happen.

happening, but I am still skeptical about the money side. For the guardians. For the guardians and those NL teams we listed before. I think the money will come into play. Do you think if Gialito went to the Dodgers and Lanselin went to the Angels, Lanselin would have kept doing bad and Gialito would look great right now? Yes. Or maybe chicken and egg.

That's why the White Sox went and got Lanselin because they knew they had a formula and they didn't have a Gialito formula maybe. I don't know. I want somebody some of these bottom feeder teams to claim I really do. Why? I don't know. I think it would be hilarious if the A's are like

oh fuck man we need somebody. Oh those yeah we need an in it we need a bottom feeder bottom feeder yeah that would be that would be something dude who's gonna what's Clevenger owed Clevenger can't be owed that much money right now Clevenger it looks like he's on for eight mill so he's probably

mill and a half, a little over a mill, something like that. Yeah, I can do the math here. 8 million. I'm interested to see who's... 1.28? 1.3. Who slips through the cracks between like... Between Renfro, whose numbers aren't that great this year,

he's a tier below what he's been every other year, which was like the model of consistency. Gritchick, people are always skeptical of like Coors guys sometimes. And then Bader, who, you know, going back to some of the past World Series teams have put together their like nuclear outfield lineup like we're ending the game with you know going back to those Red Sox teams and even the Astros had it and I've seen Blue Jit a lot of teams have had their go-to finishing outfield lineup I could see Bader um and you know Gritchick or Renfro ending up on I guess one of the real contenders and being like wow they ended up

on the Rangers or they ended up somewhere they the Rangers were low in one of those center field stats I was looking at too, which is tough because sometimes you have mainstays there that just having a down season. You're not going to really change. Right. But other times you do, you know, Yankees brought him McCutcheon and he replaced Gardner for the rest of that year because Gardner's having a down year. They knew Gardner was the plan next year, but, but yeah, I mean, Bader is your, I mean, at the least, your defensive replacement pinch runner guy that deep playoff teams use.

So if he drops down to the to the heavier teams that are favorites to make the postseason go deep, then I think he's gone. I'm going to one last thing. I think I'm just trying to think in my mind. Oh. If a team had, yeah, I guess where else are you going to think? I guess there's a few places. If a team had a guy that had three years left on his deal or two years left on the deal. And they're like, dude, we're out of contention.

Let's just put him on waivers. and see what happens. If that guy goes on claim and becomes a free agent, he could literally just hang them up, and this team would be on the bill for the rest of the salary. You'd still have to release them, because like a player can just clear waivers. Yeah, like Bader was on waivers.

Yeah, but no, but if you have five years of service time, you can just elect free agency and go. See you. That's always wondering. This is the same waivers as the other waivers. Like it's because... It says if they clear waivers, the team can just keep them.

I don't know about the service time stuff. I thought this one teams can just keep them. I think teams can just keep them. But service time is interesting, but all of these guys have five-year service time. That's like the reason you're doing it. You're only doing it because they're in real money. They're not in team-contract salaries.

I'm just thinking ahead of teams would just start to do this a lot, just to dump something. salary at the end of a year where they're out of it. That's what teams. That's Verlander. Tigers and Verlander and the Astros was a year and a half and a ton of money. The Astros were like, yeah, we'll pay. That's what it used to be.

You would just put all your big contracts out there. Like if it was the old ways, the Yankees would put Stan right now. Yeah, but they could take them back too. But before, like even if a team claimed you. You didn't have to make them. That was just an exclusive negotiation. No, just joking. Yeah, just seeing the market.

Yeah. Yeah, yeah. But that's what they would do. That was always a fun update that people would go in a frenzy about. Like, why would they try to get rid of them? Like, nah, they're just seeing the market. And it was like on a back page somewhere we could just go look at these transactions. Teams would try to sneak guys through waivers. And then some of like, oh, look, who's on waivers? And like, oh, well, you weren't supposed to see that. So Bader found out via ESPN 10 minutes before the game. Good plug for ESPN, but then later it went on to say, and I don't even watch ESPN.

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You'd think so, right? They're six and a half out of the wild card as of today. See? That's where it starts getting tricky. Who's below them? Yankees. So it's so... Dude, this...

It's so interesting. Baseball's fucked. That, like... The... Hold on. Where's the... Like, I had the official order up. So the red side...

right now, they, the giants pick ahead of them, the Reds and the Marlins, right? Would all get a pick? As of right now, yes. But that's because of standings, but what does standings matter in two different leagues? Red Sox are six and a half games out.

Arizona's a half game out of the wild card. So like Red Sox, I don't know. There's just, something weird about the rules applying to both leagues evenly. It would make more sense if you took like the NL and the AL and separated them and been like, you know, it goes every other. Like it used to be if it's not anymore, it used to be,

yeah, AL players had to clear the AL, then go to the AOL. I don't think it should be that, but maybe like 15th A.L. 15th NL. 14, 14, 13, 13. So it's a little more even because right now the NL is just getting, the Red Sox are getting just so punished for playing in a good division and a better league or less more heavier league I guess. Yeah, I mean, I think technically, technically Arizona is only a game ahead of where the Red Sox would be in that new format.

The debacks are the first team out of the wild card. Sox are two teams out of the wild card. So, yeah, that's true. And the way that I'm saying is there. but it's like they're they need to do so much more than the other teams i don't know it's not obviously obviously this is a very isolated instance where every season's going to be different as well i hope your twins clean up i like maybe i like the league maybe i like going by this is an nl player you get the nl teams get you because it would be

maybe you're a little more reluctant to put them on there only you know if it can hurt you it could go to a division rival division I don't know. It's just really a good brain exercise that might. I keep thinking about this multiple different ways. Do I like it? Do I not like it? What are some things that this is going to affect or trip up?

I don't think I like it. I don't think I want this to happen every year. It feels like it needs to be tweaked. Just feels like, oh, and now you can discard your players. Like they were so happy to go, like, get rid of the old waiver trade deadline that now it's this and this. This feels worse than that. Yeah. I'd rather have trades involved.

at least get a player back before. Yeah. I'd also like it just one player per team. Claiming everybody? That doesn't seem fair. Like half the pickle and make it interesting. I don't know. Just like, oh, we quit.

Here you go. Like, if this was your fantasy league, you'd be like, this is bullshit. Jimmy's out of the playoffs. So he just gave all his good players away for nothing. That's why they have waiver claims that it resets. I know, but still, it's just like, ugh. Where's Gialito by tomorrow?

It feels grimy, not exciting. I think the Reds. It should be. Like, it's, if the Marlins, don't pick him, he's going to the Reds. I don't know if the Marlins necessarily need another starter right now. I mean, you could always just have one for a fucking million and a half dollars or whatever it is. So, I hope he's on the Reds. I think that will make everything so much more interesting.

and the Reds right now are two games out of the wild card. They've needed another starter. As much as Cincinnati Reds fans don't want to believe that they don't have enough starting pitching, they don't have enough starting pitching. So like go get one. Yeah. I don't know.

Gileo to the snakes. Your snakes. I think the Reds get cold feet. I think they grab a reliever. It's even a worse look, man. There's no way they get cold feet. If like teams are dumping and then teams, that are in contention aren't grabbing.

Then, like, what is this sport or this league? No one wants Allen. Obviously should. No one wants any help. I think there's no doubt in my mind that he goes to the Reds, if the Marlins don't. Take it. Richick or Renfro on the Twins, Trev?

Who do you want? I think Renfro? Okay. They value defense there. It's kind of why they've... And they love me... Yeah, I, I... I just, yeah, I would say Renfro.

And spoilers for the month to save your season guy. Renfro has a good month and his season numbers are where they are every year. Right around Renfro, yeah. Yeah, you kind of know what you're going to get with him. I think he's, they like power and defense. Power and defense brings. All right, well, stay tuned. It's going to happen at the end of Thursday.

Imagine it'll come up on the, by midnight. I don't know what time the waivers officially go through. but that's being in your organization by midnight. So Friday's up, we'll know who went where. Crazy. Twins need met more to the twins. Pett more to the twins. She's Marlin.

See you guys later. Thanks for tuning in. Appreciate you. Goodbye. I'll be at the Dodger game tonight. In hot dogs.