Talkin' Baseball (MLB Podcast) - Jean Segura Has a Wild Day as Phillies Go Up 2-1 | 564

Episode Date: October 22, 2022

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Hello and welcome to talking baseball. The Phillies take game three. They take a lead in the series. Let's recap what happened there. Hello and welcome to talking baseball. Brought to you by Seatgeek. If you use the code Johnboy playoffs, you get 10% off your tickets to anything you want to go. You just got to get the tickets from Seatgeek.

Use code Johnboy playoffs. Oh, sorry. Whole Northeast is just sick up here. BPD you're going to the Yankees game tonight, right? Yeah. Do you use Code John Boy playoffs and get 10% off? I encouraged my father too, and he decided to bring me and my brother to the game.

Nice. He definitely did. Jake and I, if Jake is alive and well, Jake's been putting in work this postseason, honestly putting in a lot of work. So he's not here. And there's no burn today. and I hope he's getting some rest because we're going to game three tonight.

I got tickets on Seekkeek. I think we're going with Co-Tuck. So I might be me and the Walking Dead in the Yankee Stadium come five o'clock. Trev, you're the last time you used code John Boy playoffs. You know what? I got some concert tickets using it as well.

Where are you going? It doesn't have to be a sporting event. It could be anything. There's all sorts of stuff. You're going to a concert? Mm-hmm. Who? Elton John.

Nice. That's the only greatest performers of our lifetime. Yeah. Well, that's the same thing they say about Gene Seguer. Because it depends on the inning. Well, you know what? Performer, like put on a show. Yeah.

Maybe the most entertaining single player performance we've seen. Oh, I get it. So you're telling me, Gene Seguerra was he planned all that. I'm just saying it was. the good plays, the bad pace running, the hits. It was, he had the ooh and off factor that we all look for. I mean, that stat at the end was first player in postseason history with an error, an RBI, and picked off in the same inning.

Dude, imagine the thoughts that are going through this guy's head. He's on base. He's like, dude, thank goodness. He's just trying to relax, takes a deep breath all of a sudden, snap through over there. Hey, Gene, go get some gullying bears in the dugout, bro. Yeah, it's tough. I mean, in the end, I think the good grades out better, especially since his team won.

100%. Now, this is all laughing mad or we're having fun with it for sure. Yeah. Well, there's no burn today because Jake isn't here, but the Phillies let off. I'll just go through it real quick, which is how the burns, if anyone wants to know the background of how they came to exist,

I used to say we don't need to tell the people what happened in the game for talking yanks. People that listen to the podcast like keep up with the games. Jake was like, no, let me just burn through it real quick. Let me just tell the people what happened real quick. So that's why he was like, let me burn through the game. And I was like, I burn it. And then that's how that became. So I think the very beginning of talking yanks, it was literally something like this.

Schwarber leads the Phillies off with a home run, stays hot. then Padres tie it up in the fourth inning, but on a sagura error that helped them out. But Phillies put two up in the bottom of the fourth and retake the lead. But then the Padres tied up again in the fifth, but then the Phillies take the lead again in the sixth. And that was that. Bullpen's come in. We find status quo. Phillies win fortitude.

Fortitude. Great fortitude. Suarez, only two hits for Ranger Suarez. I think that's kind of one of the bigger stories in this whole game was, you know, when you have this series set up the way it is, where you're playing all these days in the row, you really have to figure out ways to get the outs. I mean, you can't rely on your starters to go seven innings, eight innings.

You understand the bullpen's going to play a big factor here. So kind of like what we were talking about with the Yankees game and deciding, you know, what leverage, bullpen to use Thompson he made it apparent that he was going out to win this game Sigura

I said Sigura excuse me Swarez gets there how many pitches is he ended up throwing like 68 or something like that exactly 68 68 pitches through five like you mentioned only the two hits only one earned run

there was some shoddy defense behind him and there was some good defense behind him like we said but Thompson said after the game like that was the plan if they had a lead like he was going to get this game it is a swing game we understand you know kind of what the math is when you go up two to one and i think it's something that we could have been questioning if it didn't go right you bring in zephlin to alvarado to sir anthony domingas for 12 outs 12 outs is a lot to entrust with like three guys

and that's basically been his that's his crew right there efflin alvarado Dominguez. It ends up working out a massive double play, started by our guy Gene, uh, there for Eflin. And that thing was a beauty first and third, kind of like a chopper, kind of slow, not hit too hard. And to be able to turn like Jean did and have that much zip on the ball to Stott was awesome. And Stott made a great turn. They'd just barely get Josh Bell out there. He ends a belly flopping, which is kind of also entertaining. A lot of entertaining stuff happening in this game. But then Alvarado and Sir Anthony Dominguez goes two innings to lock it down.

I mean, it was they kind of. Thompson pushed all his chips to the middle of table and said, I'm all in to win this game. And it ended up working out for them, man. The big one to do that for us, to show great fortitude in this game. Yeah. Musgrove gives up four earned,

eight hits. And actually, before I go to Musgrove, Suarez, I think he walked a ton in his game against the Braves. He did. and this game he goes 5.1. There's people on base, two hits, but no walks.

Two hits, no walks. It's pretty good. He said he was really nervous that first game. That's what they were talking about during the first inning of last night's game was that Thompson talked to him after that start and said, hey, well, you're all right. And he said, you know, I was just really excited, nervous, you know, all the feelings that he's going to have in his first career postseason start.

And then to do it again, man, and to provide what he provided was excellent. And I think, you know, he had it in him to go more, but there was like this new term that we have in baseball, this right-handed lane coming up. So Thompson made the decision to go to Zefflin, and everything worked out. So now we're like praising him,

but remember these are decisions that we question all the time. Like take that starting pitcher who's given two hits, no walks out with that pitch count. But, you know, when it works, it works. I like the Seguer play, and we're bouncing all around, but the one in the seventh, I thought was crazy. The diving play to his left, they had runners on base to end that inning, and he gets up from that. He's all fired up. Yeah, he had a couple plays just like that.

I think one earlier in the game with Grish him up, same thing, ranging to his left, makes that play. And then I think that other one was on Kim. but yeah dude he he ran the gamut last night because that another first and third double play ball stought fielded perfectly the perfect feed to him and his body was just a little out of rhythm man and he just clanked it and i love how all the umpires give the guys like the benefit of the doubt like oh no it's on the transfer he never hits off the side of his glove san diego challenges it wins the challenge obviously because the thing never meant it into his glove umpires man a game baby how about the umpire at the end of the call i guess a lot of people probably want

to hear about that the top of this show is that's kind of a talking point bd is jake walking in or who's coming uh it's dan dan the tech man oh okay i'm sorry i thought your face light up i was maybe jake stormed in um that what do you got on the check swing i can go first if you want well no i mean it was it was very close either way i think either way each team's like yeah yeah yeah our side our side our side like pro far saying man i was just trying to get out of the way of the ball i think his bat like the what i constitute as a swing when i'm watching like slowmos and whatever it's probably changed now that i'm fan but when i see the the end of the bat kind of cross over and be in front of the knob that to me means you went no matter

where it's at like if that thing goes like i think you're he went and it did. So I think they got the call right. I know it's very difficult and it's tough when you're trying to get out of the way of the ball, but that's the way of the world, man. If ProFar's on the other team, he wants to be rung up. He wants the guy to be rung up. Jake and I do we do live streams. We watch a lot of baseball together. We're always a little different on check swings. And I'm always more, they went, I think they always go. And he's the other way. And much like you have influenced Jake and I to dislike starting pitchers, David Cohn has influenced me. to say everything's a check swing.

And David Cohn's point is, if a batter can spoil my strike and foul it off, that's a swing. So if his bat is on top of the plate and he can, if he touches the ball, I don't get a strike anymore, that's a swing. And I think I agree with that a lot. So when I see the bat head go over the plate, like over the heart of the plate, because a lot of people watch and they think the bat has to cross the plate in their brain. And I, and Coney has changed my opinion on this. And he's like, you know, and he'll, anytime someone just does a check swing, like, bunt single that beats the shift or just like bloops over the third baseman's head.

Connie's like, oh, but some guys don't even want that as a swing if he doesn't touch the ball. And he's fully changed my mind. And I think, yep, you get that bat head over the white of the plate. You can spoil a pitch. So that's a swing. I would disagree with him a little bit there. I think my interpretation, and maybe that's just everybody interprets it differently. I mean, in the rule book, it's like any.

It's whatever that ump thinks a swing is. An attempt. Yeah. At a swing. So like, you know, you have to interpret it your own way. But, you know, when you watch the slow moes, I think that's the. Unfortunately, the ums can't. Yeah, but the alms don't get slow mo.

Yeah. No. I thought he made the right call. Profar had an all-time reaction. not at F-bombs. Fuck you. Fuck you. At that point,

I mean, he's so frustrated because you think you have a great bat. You think he worked the walk and you take one and all of a sudden you just get rung up.

And you know, as a hitter in that moment, you know, your life hangs in the balance on a guy over there who's 100 feet away. And you're like, please, dude,

just be on my side on this one. And then he wasn't. And then, yeah, you get a little upset, man. Yeah. In our, games, dude. In our Blitzball league,

we have an official check swing rule. It's if it's like if it's what I said. Because in that in our in blitzball, a bunn can be a home run. So it's like if your bat's over the play, I intentionally don't try to cross the plate when I swing. So tell Connie with that logic that if he throws like a ball behind me, but it hits my bat,

that shouldn't be a foul ball because that wasn't, the ball wasn't over the plate. I'd be interested to hear his response because in my head like, if MLB changed that rule, people would just say, oh, but that was so fun when that happens. No one would really be like, everyone would be like, yeah, okay.

That makes sense. If the bat's behind his head and the ball hits it, it's not a foul ball. You'd only be missing out on comedy. What else you got in here? I want to touch one more time on the Seguer's game, and I thought he had some really funny, not funny,

insightful. But I feel like some people would find it, a little bit funny. Talks about pressure in America. And this is something that I've heard from Latin players that guys from the DR, Venezuela, all the time. Like, we don't feel pressure over here.

All the fans are so nice. I'm like, what do you mean? Like, you're in Philly. You're in New York. Like, these fans in Chicago, these fans can ride you. They can be brutal. Like, dude, like, where we come from,

like, we're getting death threats and, like, people are, you know. Kidnapping people. Yeah, like, this is nothing. Like, this is fun, you guys. guys. And he said something like that after the game. He says, it's just the way we handle the pressure in the Dominican Republic. Even when we play winter ball, we've got guys in the stands. Hey, when you get out, we're going to kill you.

We're going to do something bad to you. It's just the way we play the game out there. And again, this is not just Gene saying this. I've heard this a ton. So like in these pressure situations, obviously it's still tough and there is a little bit of pressure. But it's at a completely different level here. I think we saw that with Gene. You know, obviously he's a veteran too.

so he's able to kind of put the mistakes behind him. But he definitely had the ooze and Oz factor for us last night. That was as entertaining as it gets. Yeah, it's interesting. We talked to the manager of Haye Yankees about a little bit about the difference between the Dominican players or the players that are coming from, you know, the international draft versus the guys that are coming from college or high school.

because the college baseball players, they want to win. They need to win. The coaches need to win. Whereas the international signings, they're 16 years old. And the result of the actual games don't matter. Like Jason Dominguez,

he hasn't played a game where the result has mattered yet. Because he, it's true. He grew up in academies in the DR. So when he was like 14, he's just been playing in the showcase leagues, showcase leagues, okay, get signs at 16 with the Yankees, goes to the minor leagues. And the result of the game doesn't matter.

And she said a lot of, she said a lot, she said a little opposite like the 16-year-kids, it's harder for them once they finally get to MLB. And now all the sudden, the individual stats don't matter. The game stats matter. You know, it's really interesting to think about the two trajectories of players. Think about that. You can be, like Jason Mingus hasn't played a game where the result of the game mattered since he was 14 years old.

Yeah, and we're getting a little bit off track here. But the minor leagues is like that for everybody too. It's you want to win because it creates the atmosphere that you need to create winning players. And, you know, you want to have a good collection of players on your team. So usually if you have a better collection of players, you're going to win the game. But in the end, yeah, it is about, you know, development. And you'll have pitchers that aren't allowed to throw their change up. Or there's organizational rule with the Yankees, I believe, at one point,

where they had to take a strike. Imagine that. I'm pretty sure it was the Yankees, too. You had to take a strike, and they were trying to improve plate discipline and seeing more pitches. But like... I don't hate it.

But it's weird. You would if you're the batter. Yeah. And then people start to realize... Especially if the other team knows. They do. It happens very quickly. Oh, no one's swinging until they get a strike,

and this is like first pitch fastball. And I think that's counterproductive. right there. For the Padres, they're down two to one. But how about Bell and Drury? I mean, these guys were doing nothing. And now they both have four hits on this series. Homer each, a couple RBIs each.

They have hit. The Dray has two hits in this game. Bell's a pinch hit in this game. I think they're, I think the the Padres are, you know, obviously they're down in the hole here a little bit. But you got a bullpen game for the Phillies where you're starting falter.

you're going to get some out of him and Sindegard, and we'll see the other path that Thompson takes. And then for the Padres, you know, you have Cleve going and you have all your good bullpen ready to go. I think Sir Anthony Dominguez is probably out of here for the Phillies tonight. But the Padres have all hands on deck, and I expect Melvin to approach the game the same way that Thompson approached last night's game,

where he's pushing his chips to tail. You can't go three, you can't go down three one. If you win tonight, you got your guy, you Darvish on the mound for the next game. going up against Wheeler. So it's like, as much as this, this game was a swing game, I think, I mean, this is must win for the Padres and even maybe more of a swing game than the last one.

Well, the Phillies are throwing Bailey Falter. Yes. Didn't see that coming. Melvin said there's a little more left-handed threat in the lineup. So they wanted the lefty to start the game. And then I assume we'll see how far he can go. it's funny because you know they mentioned

he hasn't pitched since the regular season and so some people are like oh he's rusty and then J.T. Riu Ruto is like oh we got a fresh arm out there. He hasn't pitched so he's fresh so you're either fresh or rusty depending on who you talk to. They're going to see what happens with him. Savali hadn't pitched either I think you talk about Suarez saying he was

nervous so I would expect more of that and yeah I think it's going to be a short leash Bailey fault there's one of the worst names in baseball. I think you, I think one of the two is good, but the combo just gets me all the time. Bailey, Faulter. I like Bailey.

It's like a Bayleave or Bailey's in your coffee. Fault? I fault. Bailey's fault. That's the headline tomorrow. Damn, that's crushing. That's rude. I'm sorry I said that.

That would be a bad. What else we got from this game? You must grow through all right, you know, some soft contact against him, you know, possibly on BOMS, RBI, like Soto just kind of whifted. I know it was a tough play, but. I mean, Soto needs to get going. Those two guys you just said is the two guys where Philly was like,

we think Schwerber's getting going. We think he's looking better. And Soto said, there's just one thing away. I'm getting there one thing away. Well, Schwerber came to fruition and Soto hasn't yet. Soto's having a bad postseason. And Chorber was having a bad postseason. And now he's absolutely crushing balls.

So that's a little bit of like if you try to find narratives, there's a big difference. Those two guys. One clicked, one hasn't. Yeah, I mean, I think I wouldn't bet against Juan Soto getting it going. That's for dang sure. But defensively, he's never going to, you know, light it up out there. Gold glove, that's what we see. We said it at the beginning of this series.

Like, we're going to see some really good defense and we're going to see some bad defense. And that's kind of how it's been. You know, every once in a while, you're going to get a bad play out there. And that's been, there's been. there's been some capitalizing of those bad plays. And I saw that that's, I guess, something that we'll watch for in game four here is, you know, who's who's playing better defensively. Total got a gold glove nomination.

Just to say something funny at the end here. He did. He did. A lot of people on that list, I'm not so sure. We interviewed Jason. I never got a freaking finalist, gold glove, even though I led the, MLB third baseman in a ton of categories. one year.

What year? I didn't lead all, but I was like top three in the AL for some of the categories, okay? What category does you hold nearest to your heart? Maybe 14 or 15. Okay. Well, yeah, I mean, we had Jason Kendall explain how gold glove voting happened back in his day, and it was pretty eye-opening. Yeah.

He said, yeah. Maybe I won't spoil it for everyone. Go listen to that. podcast, but take gold glove nominees with a grain of salt. I mean, Soto did nothing. They just circled a name they knew on the sheet. Honestly. It seems like that. That list is, like I said, they came out last night was something. They need to make packages. Like, it's not hard. I just went and watched every ball,

Jamison Tyone fielded, and it took me five minutes to do it. So like before these coaches, gold glove is just come on none of them should have a gold glove i think that's a disgrace to the gold gloves used to give them silver sloggers too that's nuts they used to give him silver sluggers who caught who caught the ball the pitcher that caught the ball was that

savvy it was savvy oh my gosh talk about a roller coaster right there watching him try to catch that ball yep pretty low pretty word like a 40 foot high five ball. It is jarring

how bad they look in comparison. When they have, they play catch or have a catch every day. It must grow be a nice play. How about that? Yeah, there were some good fielding

pitchers. It's a good point on the making packages thing. Like they do that for Hall of Famers and stuff. Like they send the voters, like a bunch of stuff. It would be funny if they made packages and like one guy,

was like five minutes long and then like Juan Sotos was like 30 seconds long. It's like here's your highlights. Yeah, highlights, low lights, every ball played. Like I don't know because I don't know how Tyone got a nomination after watching every play. I think it's just like who we need to find a pitcher that we like. Yeah.

Circle a pitcher who's got a good reputation as being a nice guy. All right. I have one question for you, Trev. That's not about this series at all. But so if we want to wrap up the series, I mean, do you, I kind of think that the Padres are going to tie it up here because it seems like the Phillies aren't playing with House Money or Phillies are playing a little loose and the Padres have to play strong. And I do like the Padres all out effort. It's just depends, man.

The Phillies offense shows up and we get, you know, a couple home runs from from those top five guys. The Schwabler starts to hit the long ball like he has been. If Harper comes through in a big situation, I mean, this series could go. get away from the Padres very, very quickly. Well, you know what? It's the same thing when the Yankees... Especially, like, that crowd is awesome and, and they're playing with, like, some energy there. The same thing when the Yankees face Savali.

If the Padres don't score on Falter or in the first three innings, it might be not be good. But if they get up early, I think the Phillies are going to say, okay, well, bullpens down. We'll go to our B squad and try to have the offense sneak a win. otherwise we feel a Padre's fan I think the same thing that you're saying like hey man like they're they're going bullpen day we're going all out

let's go score first and make them put like their B guys in let's go take this game let's get it back to you and then we'll get back to San Diego that's what they're thinking yeah and they can be they're right about that I mean this series is still very very much

up in the air very very much you was funny you Darvis I have a question for you, Trev. How did you use to find out the lineup when you played? It depended on the coach. Most of the time, they let you know the night before. The good ones would have the lineup for the next day on the lineup of,

or like the board of that game. So that was fun. Sometimes you wouldn't find out until you got there. So you're playing Thursday and it says tomorrow? You know the Friday lineup, yeah. during the game. Yeah, pretty much. And there's always the caveat that it could change

depending on what happened in the game. And then there'd be times where you, when you're a veteran, more so, you'd get a text from the manager. Hey, like, you're off tomorrow. Hey, we're going to put you here. It was really nice to know, hey, you're off tomorrow because then they're like, hey, go, like, go have some glass,

go get a glass of wine or, you know, go take your mind up the game. You're going to be sitting tomorrow. Because there's a Yankee situation. I wasn't on the Yankee episode yesterday. And I genuinely don't know if this is a flaw in the system bad or this is nothing and I shouldn't have any. Yankee fans shouldn't have any opinion on it.

But Harrison Bader's been batting ninth. They switch him to the leadoff spot. First time he batted lead off for the Yankees. And there was no, Boone didn't have a conversation with him about that decision, which I thought you would. like, hey, man, thinking about you're down, thinking about putting you lead off how you feel about that, something like that.

Instead, the Yankees just send the lineup in a group text, which is very easy to get lost if people start responding to it. And like Bader didn't check his text, he might not be a big check my text guy. So Lauren Shahati broke the news to him during the pregame.

Like you're leading off today. How do you feel about that? And he was like, I just found out. She's like, I told you. He's like, yeah, He was like, yeah, I've been locked in on other stuff. But yeah, that's cool. And I don't know.

Some guys don't care. I always like to know because I started the visualized, like, you know, at bats and stuff like that, you know, where I'd be coming up, who would be the pictures I'd be facing. What kind of, you know, who am I hitting behind all that stuff? But it's interesting. I like that they send it out. As long as you communicate it and it was up to Bader to see that, I mean, as long as you communicate it, that's all that players want. Yeah, I think because I don't know. For me, it's like, wouldn't you want to ask back?

Bader? Like what if like hey dude are you comfortable leading off you think so you think you'd I had that discussion before don't you think they probably had the discussion and then not like specifically that game but hey you might see some run an elite opposition how do you feel about that? From what I know about the Yankees from talking to guys that played there I would bet heavily they did not have that conversation they need some communication well boom was hired because he's a master communicator. A kid doesn't even tell the master bader he was leading off I got to say it once before we end this show. Yeah. Pili's and Padres show great

fortitude. Phillies win the game. Fortitude. Jake just texted us. What do you say? Just woke up. My bad. I might release the picture I got at 5 in the morning. Let me see it. Chick sucks.

Can I show it right now? That's not a pro. I was not a pro. Five in the morning.