Talkin' Baseball (MLB Podcast) - LIVE From Winter Meetings Day 2

Episode Date: December 9, 2025

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Hello and welcome to Talking Baseball. We are live from Winter Meeting. All the action, we've got so much to catch up on. Mike Soroka? We're going to talk some of the rumors and everything else going on. We're live. I'm pitching today. Me a Kids BP today.

Kyle Tucker. Orioles? 250 pitches. Hello and welcome to Talking Baseball, presenting you by Seeky Co-Talkin. Ten? It's a little screen. I'm a little guy.

Jake Storelli, Trevor Plouffe coming live from Calabassi. Me and Rob Sorocco are live from winter meetings in Orlando. The mouse is here. We are surrounded by Disney. We're trapped. Nobody gets in, nobody gets out. And neither have any deals. We had Mike Soroka this morning.

Everyone on Talking Baseball knows I've been loving him out of the bullpen. We'll see how the snakes use them. We're going to talk some more rumors and some other things going on around the horn. And yes, Coach Trev might be a little ornery today. He did just throw, we think, 250 bullpen pitches. BP pitches, 210 swings, and I had some balls in there, coach. So I'm estimating 250 pitches. And I got the glass of wine to help me out with the pain, so we're good.

I had a good, you know, the people like when we indulge, I went up to one of the bar. and I was just like, what beer do you have? And then he listed kind of the basic guys, and you know that's not who I am at my core. I mean, there's a time and a place. And then he lists all the base guys, and then he goes, I also have a Japanese IPA. And I was like, yeah, yeah.

I'm obviously going to have the Japanese. So no free ads, which brings us to Tatsyama and Mai. It's pretty good. that yes we are at winter meetings i can catch everyone up to date before we get into some of the theories or you know buster only put a tweet out that watch out for the trade market because teams might could be cba related we'll talk about all of that um we are at a tipping point coach trev in the building because everyone's been now in a hotel room or in a hotel lobby basically for coming up on two days there hasn't been a ton of action people are getting a lot of

little ornery here. That we need something to happen. Otherwise, it's going to be a really weird drunk sausage fest tonight. I mean, I envy you because number one, you get the jump on the sticks with me. And number two, I feel like you got like a great people watching set up. I keep seeing your eyes move back and forth every once in a while you give this weird thing that you do. Yeah, I've been giving a lot of weird acknowledgments. It's a weird event.

There's no other way to summarize it. Like even if you're in the baseball community to try to tell people what it is, I mean, you see people that you see once every two years. There's a bunch of people job hunting here that happen to be a lot of our target demo, a lot of boys 20 to 25 that are obsessed with baseball. So yeah, I'm a little bit the pretty girl at the ball. There was a line earlier just to say hi. That's not a big deal.

It's not a big deal. We're not worried about that. And I know I told some of the people about this on Wake and Jake, and I told you as well. But last night got pushed a little deep. It got late, and it was me and the dirty birds. It was me. It was Daniel Descalso.

It was John Jay. It was Ali Mar Mall. And yeah. Just four baseball men. BPD thought I was, well, this is a joke. I sent a funny group text this morning. I said, did anyone else wake up next to Daniel Descalso? And then Al-Amar Mall walked by this morning,

and he kind of gave me a finger gun and winked at me. And they were like, wait, you weren't joking? No, we pushed it late. The first number on the phone started with a three. Oh. It got late. And he said, that's late late late. He said next year in one of his ejections,

he's going to speak in Spanish to see if Jimmy can lip-read that. So we're good, man. We're good with the Cardinals. we're good with the Cardinals. Ask me the two things that I'm proud of myself today. Or like that made me happy today because I need to get them off my chest. You had sex with your wife and you coached a baseball. I did not.

I mean, not yet. See if that's in the car. It's probably not. We got to wrap this up. We got to wrap this up. Yeah. Number one, I got a text from, if I was to tell you my favorite baseball player, like playing today texted me.

Who would it be? Bragman. No. Actually, really, really close. Joe Ryan. He also did, but like number one. Matt Chapman. Oh, yeah, you do love Matt Chapman.

Out of the blue. Nice. That's huge for you. Yeah, dude. That's huge. That's huge. That's huge. That's huge. That's huge.

Like shine on you crazy diamond screenshot. And so like thinking of you. And I said, dude, you have no idea. Wow. And so, hey, all you young ballplayers out there, reach out to like, you're the older guys and just say hi and it'll just like change the trajectory of their day.

Number two, how about this one? Found out I won an Emmy. Really? Quinn's TV, our broadcasts won an Emmy. Treve. Which apparently we found that out in November. Somehow I didn't know. And Dynard Span on his Instagram flashed his Emmy that he got.

Do you get one? I haven't got it yet. But you'll get one. I think. That's electric. Congratulations. Yeah. You deserve it.

I think it's kind of like an obscure one, but like still like snaps. Whatever, bro. It's like Midwest sports broadcast. I think Emmys are sneakily like that, not shots fired at anyone. But like, I think, yeah, hey, I couldn't be more proud of you. A big day for you. And not as big of a day of winter meetings, but let's talk about it a little bit. the biggest, I think the biggest note so far.

Buster only tweeted it out, and this was at 7.19 p.m. tonight. I want to give some love to our guy, Dahl, and not here on the trip with us, but loading up the sheet with information on a day when there's not a ton of information to be spread. But he said that Buster only said the trade market is percolating, but a lot of agents and execs believe the bulk of the winter free agent market is going to move very, very slowly this offseason. So that's a little nervous. There could be some reasons why, Trev, I'll let you percolate on it for a second

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at Seekigkeek. Trev? Yes, so not a lot going on. A couple of things that kind of caught my eye as we're reading the rumors, listening to our guy Kenny Rosenthal, all these dudes that you're seeing that are giving you this thing,

that you're doing it back. The Padres have come, are interesting to me because the two names that are being shopped have two completely different trade values. We're talking Nick Pavetta and,

Jake Croninworth. Those are the two names getting shopped around right now. You know I love me a full pension Piv. His contract is interesting. So I believe the contract for him was a four-year $55 million deal. And he crushed it this year. Just an unbelievable. Wow. Wow. That came- love that for you. If you're on podcast only, Jake just got a beer delivered right to him. That came from BBD, or you called them BDD the other day. Yeah, Big Dick David, yeah. You're right in the middle of my speech about Pivotta. Four years 55, great year this year.

A couple things about the contract. He's got an opt-out after next year. He only made $4 million in year once. So last year, when he crushed it, $3 million signing bonus and a $1 million salary, and then it jumps to 19 this year, and then 14 and 18 the following two years, which he will opt out on if he's healthy this year.

Even if he's not probably, bro. Yeah, and so like when you know all those facts, the four-year 55, that is a no-brain your teams to be gushing over trying to get a pitcher on that rate of his caliber to their organization, knowing it's presumably a one-year, like a rental, piece, I guess you'd call it. Is it one-year rental piece? I guess it kind of is. Sure.

That changes the market a little bit there. What's crazy is the podgers are in the market for starting pitching, but I think they see this opportunity to, and Prellors never shy to do this. Capitalize when a guy's market is at its high. So he's trying to do that with Pivotta. Now, a lot of teams I think are interested in.

I don't know what a one-year pitcher like Pivotta goes for. I still think it's worth quite a bit. Yes. And then Croninworth, on the other end. I believe he has five years, $60 million left. How about that contract for Croninworth?

Crone did fantastic during that. Hey, first of all, all time guy. Yes, all time Jake. All time Jake. And a banger of a dude off the field

and versatile player who I think the actual context is actively shopping, not just listening to Krona. They're trying to get out from under the contract, essentially. Maybe they'd even eat some money on it. But I still think he's a very attractive player, defensive versatility. I think there's still some stuff left in the swing. Maybe a new place to hit, new hitting coach in his ear.

He's a guy that I feel like can get better with coaching, if that makes any sense. So I'm curious about those two guys. I mean, I really like the core they have in San Diego, and I feel like it's worked to a certain degree. If I asked you this, like which core has been better, the Phillies or the Padres over the last couple of years? Oh.

Is it a dead heat? I still, I think it would be the Phillies because they, did they go to a World Series? Is it not playing the division with the Dodgers? Yeah. the Dodgers. I mean, that's a whole different thing. And the Phillies are going the other way. They're trying to keep everything together. They're going and doing this.

Yeah, I guess it depends what you mean by recent because that, I mean, that Padres team made it look like they were going to win. They Padres made it look like they were going to be the team that beat the Dodgers in 24. And then both kind of fell a little flat this year that, yeah, I guess it depends kind of how far you go back. Oh, wait. Didn't Harper hit the homer off of Svarez in 22? Was that it? We're going to get stats and research on it because you're just dropping stuff on me. Maybe Rob. Astros beat the Phillies in 2022. Okay.

No, but I'm saying Harper beat the Padres on that Homer against Robert Swares. That was Toddress. In the NLCS, I just didn't. I just didn't really think we were in here. Am I Chris Rose right now? Are you Chris Roe? How old are you now? Was that the end of that was no?

I think you're making this up. Wait, 4 to 1 NLCS. No, you had it. You had it. 2022, Phillies beat the Padres four to one. So I think, oh my God, I think that you'd say that the Phillies have been more successful. But we're not doing that, Chris Rose. I'm at winter meetings. So we're not doing the history of every NL franchise.

The, okay, Pivotta you had. I mean, it's basically a one-year deal. I think there's a broader conversation. that needs to be talked about as if our franchise is going to be operating differently because of the potential CBA lockout, that someone like Pivotta is even more interesting, that it's one year you know it's on the book. And that's kind of where Buster's trade thing is coming from, that we know these front offices like having the control of knowing what they're going to pay coming up. And you could say, yeah, well, free agency is that. well, if you're the highest bid,

that currently we have no idea where Kyle Tucker's going to land. We have no idea where Alonzo's going to land, Bichette and all these other guys, that if you can make the trade for whatever position of need is right now, that teams are going to flush out those options instead of going to the bidding table. The Padres, Pivotta, I think, is pretty straightforward. Like, if you want a hired gun, he had a great year,

probably a one-year deal. On the other side, Cronawer is an interesting guy, because there can be a lot of value there. Like I think, you know, I think his on-base percentage last year was like 367. So again, if you can put him at second base and have him be, get on at that clip, that is a really productive player that I've kind of wanted a team to do that. Like just, and the Padres kind of did. He played 111 starts last year at second.

But you're right, the versatility, I don't want to say it's been a bad thing. He played, I mean, he played 10 starts at short last year. Like there's not a lot of guys that can do that. You're right. It's depending what do they, what do they see as a, for Jake Croninworth? Is it the versatility or is it a starting second baseman or what? Coach Treve, you've raised both hands. Wow.

Shout out David Popkins. He got engaged in Hawaii. Let me relate it, bro. Jake Croninworth. Everything's coming up. Pock. in his game. What he's missing in his game is bat speed. Okay? Go back to 2024. The peripherals are there. He doesn't strike out. He puts the ball in play, coach.

Add a little bit of bat speed. David Popkins can do that for you. And we're looking at a completely different player. You miss on Bo Bichette? Jake Croninworth feels like what they just rode to the World Series. Doesn't he? Oh, a little bit. Does he? Does he? Does he? not a little bit i i i like where you landed that one although it was a little you got a little loss along the way and that's fine because i said congratulations to a guy get the got engaged it's a beautiful time no we're happy for david popkins i'm i'm glad i'm i'm happy for him it's been a big year for him um i guess when you say okay you don't get bo boshet you get jay cronanworth um i could see some baseball fans i'm rounding out the infield here that's if you don't get boe boshet they're getting something else right right

Right, but I just, I think, and I know this wasn't your exact mindset, but we've seen it already with the early signings. Outside a cease, 200-milly in the back. Tilling that frisbee disc around, big guy. Not bad in the Great North. The other sign, I think teams, and again, if this winter meeting goes completely quiet, which you could not, man, like two big signings could happen in the next hour

and it could, like, burn this building down. It could also go quiet the whole way, is that it currently feels like teams are still flushing out bargain options, like talking to the Padres, like, hey, again, I'm not saying the Tigers are doing this, but like, you just, Jay Croninworth. Could we get J. Croninworth for almost free?

Yeah, you, he'd have a salary, obviously. They wouldn't eat the entire salary, but you wouldn't, I don't think you'd have to give up any of your prospect for him. So the thing about that, could we had J. Cronanworth who could get on at a 367 clip. Maybe there's something we can unlock for a little more pop. Even if not, if Jake Croninworth is your second baseman in the bottom half of your lineup getting on base at that level, like, okay, you just brought in a really good

ball player with versatility that if you need to move things around, that it feels like, or go sign Bo Bichette for 200 mil? Like, again, think about the conversation if you're a GM that you have to have with your owner. Like, okay, well, these are the two options. The owner's going to say that option. I don't know. I don't know, man.

The more I've been reading about this Rogers family, like the guy just came back in kind of wanting to be more involved. He was at the forefront signing Vlad. He got a taste of the World Series. Probably really feeling himself right now. So interesting take. I just stumbled into it. Don't get mad at me, Blue Jays fans, Paudre's fans, whatever it is.

The trade market is fascinating, coach. It's fascinating. Well, and I think I want to talk about that a little bit more because, again, we have a lot of rumors. Some of it's stuff we have talked about. Some of it is stuff we haven't talked about. But it feels like teams are exploring that. Because again, like, okay, we've talked about Tatsuyama,

Tatsyama, am I? He's not in my lexicon yet. Isn't that weird? You had it right there, like, and I don't have that yet. Isn't that weird? Because it felt like even Sango with the Ghost Fork, he was, like, in the lexicon, even though he didn't get the big contract. Patsuyuma and Mai.

You nailed it. Nailed it? You're recruiting him. Twins? Twins? We're building. Sure. I just want an Emmy.

I can't be happier for you. Mention that to live before she goes to bed. Maybe that changes the odds. I know where your heads at right now and I don't like it. Treve, there's some other trades. I know we did a little bit of this yesterday. I mean, again, Dalton went ham. We got, he's got tweets and times listed on the sheet.

The brewers are receiving a lot of interest in Freddie Peralta. Peraltz, Peralta, Freddie Peralta and Trevor McGill. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it's been their M.O. I don't know, Rob, can you get me, Miguel service time left Peralta free agent

What is it two more years One more year? I think Peralta is one more year At like 8 mil So again like I guess I guess Trev And I don't know Because this is a little bit of an unfair question

But like Do you think with the looming CBA That front offices are feeling it A little more to exalt all options Of like hey Instead of signing a MI for 175 instead of signing ranger Suarez for 150 instead of signing framber for one seven like

do you think that it's like hey we need to really flush out because if we could just pay prospects for one year of freddie parolta at eight million that makes everything so much easier yeah i mean honestly i'd love to know because that's what majorly baseball side is thinking about the cba do they think they're going to go into it and look you know you had also, like I was mentioning last night, like do they think about it like we're going to save on a year because we're not going to be playing baseball in 2027? I don't think that's what they're going after.

Can the entire media landscape, revenue sharing, can everything be placed upside down after this? Maybe. I don't, I think the good times are here and they're rolling some fan bases and certain teams would probably disagree with me on either spectrum, high and low. So it's going to be interesting. We're not really in the weeds on that yet.

So in my mind, they're operating a status quo with that in the back of their mind, but it can't stop you from making signings. It can't. Like the game of baseball isn't going to stop. Right. Like it might pause. And I mean.

And I guess the- 51 million people watched game seven of the World Series. Nice, dude. 51 million people. It's a lot. That's a lot. It's a lot.

Know how many people live in New York City? I looked this up the other day. Eight million, yeah. Yes, I know. Tokyo has 30. Is that why we talked about it? Yes, that is literally why we talked about it. God, you're the last person I should ask.

Nailed it. I was shocked. I thought eight million was like a moment. I'm having a conversation with my- idiot friend that likes the giants, the nineers in Notre Dame. He's from Los Angeles. So you know what kind of person he is.

That's literally the rivals of every single L.A. team. What friend? Doxham? I'm not going to. He's a lawyer. He's a lawyer. You don't want to. I'm literally having this conversation. He's like, no, he's pissed at Notre Dame isn't in

the college football playoffs. So he's, Notre Dame draws all the viewership 21 million. It was the most watched non-sporting event outside of the NFL when they were in the BCS National Championship game. I was like, dude, great.

Major League Baseball, and he was saying, like, they draw more than the Dodgers. And I said, that's false. They just drew 51 million for game seven. And he's like, oh, they averaged this against the Yankees. I'm like, dude, don't you understand? Winner take all game is what the BCS National Championship game is. We had the winner take all.

And it was 51 million. And we got six other games before that. All that to say is times are good right now in baseball. And there can't be a massive work stoppage. I guess that's, and again, I think the billionaire owner mindset is probably different than mine. Although, again, Jake Mintz from Cespitas Family Barbecue did say I smell like money. And I did just try out a new spray. Quilted quarter zip is like, what are you, a stock trader?

No, but exactly. I'm unfortunately blending in in this outfit, which normally isn't my game here. Like, I look like I'm the backup analytics dude at these wintermen. Oh, John Heyman leaking around. God, we got to get it. We got to get a bonus cam, Rob. I think if we could get like a roving cam, we might be too late on that. But my God, he has a certain Genesee quadum. I can't call him over. I don't know him like that. Anyways, I look like a front office guy. I guess the thing for me, and I feel like I've said that phrase a lot, so I'm sorry to everyone that judges my phrases, is you're right that baseball is going to go on at some point,

that if the right free agent for your team is out there, what could possibly change in the next CBA that affects you? Like, if there's no baseball, there's no baseball. You don't have to pay the guy. And like if baseball comes back, you still want that guy on your team. So I guess that's the part of the equation that I'm like, I understand any owner saying, hey, we can trade two slap dicks for Freddie Peralta for $8 million for next year instead of paying $200 million. I get that equation.

But I don't know. It's a weird, it's a little bit of a weird feeling right now because it's just like why. Like it's a fun crop. I can't tell if it's because there's not. not the natural pecking order of like, okay, Otani, okay, judge, okay Soto. That I don't know if there's like a weird Kyle Tucker wrinkle in this, that he's, he's got the biggest pot at the table. But I don't know.

Something feels a little off right now if I'm being for real. Even if we do walk away and trust me, like I don't think this is going to happen because I've been in many, many players meetings. even if we walk away with this with a cap and a floor, which how about Dave Roberts being a show for the owners? Oh. Wow. I guess I can't edit that out.

Oh, we're live, pop-bye. I was surprised to see the quote. I was surprised to see the quote. Former player. I don't think that happens again. But even if I did it, let's just hypothetically say it did. There's got to be some sort of grace period. It's not like you just have to cut it down.

right now or raise it right now. Like there's going to be a grandfathered in type situation. But yeah, I guess I mean maybe we're too dumb to be talking about this. We haven't really dove into it yet. We will be there. Good point. But I

just don't see how it affects your decision making now. I can't wrap my head around that. And I have a huge baseball brain, as you know. Yeah. We do. We're well regarded in the community. How many guys have been in the show have the greatest baseball baseball show after playing and have won an Emmy.

Right. It's a slim, that's a slim crop. I'd have to check with Przinski. And saw him, him down the line today. Maybe. Went to give him a handshake. We went with a Dap. I don't know.

It wasn't great. Was it like this? So I couldn't tell, it looked like they were doing an audio check, but they may have been recording that if they were, then I was definitely in the wrong. and I don't know Scooter Braun who he works with good body on him but we haven't fully

hedged it out yes dude okay Scooter he's like ripped he's working from home now a little ad for the competition hey um we support everyone there's room for everyone we have an athletic ad behind us we do um I think the fist bump

is always the safe play especially at winter meeting like I realized I was in the wrong It was just one of those moments I misread the situation for a second. And I don't know. I feel like me and AJP could make a night out of it. But we'll see. Again, I might be on the Cardinals coaching staff by tomorrow.

This could be my last show. Tidal that on the episode, right? Thank you. Jake's last show. Why is, okay, how about this? Since we don't have a lot to talk about, why isn't Carrabis or Dallas Braden allowed at the winter meetings? It's insane. That gets me, I'm on, that riles me up, man.

The amount of work that Dallas Braden puts in for the league and has done over his career and you can't let that guy in, Karab is the same thing. Like very much a steward of the game speaks his mind, but like, what are we doing? I'd assume Dallas could probably come. Do they mess it up? Did they just mess it up? He's a broadcaster, so he could come with that crew. And yeah, the Jared thing's insane. But I mean, dude, it's not so long ago.

We were on the other side of the fence, like fighting for every inch. And I think baseball is getting better. Like, I hope we're the example and there's more people coming along the way. Like we had a really good talk with June Lee before. Used to be at ESPN. He's now working for himself independently. And he's like, you know, he is pushing. We saw him talk to an MLB communications guy today that he's like, hey, like, creators are the way.

Like, I'm kind of part of the team now. And they know. Like, they've read the market. We are, like, our deal with MLB is currently one of one. Like, NBA's not doing anything like that. NHL's not doing, NFL's not doing. How did we, did this turn into your interview with John Boy? Awesome.

Oh. Ken Rosenthal reported that right-handed pitcher James Karen check to the Braves on a minor league deal. Oh, you can't do that to us. Bob. What? I like Karen Jack, he's kind of like a maybe a talking baseball folklore guy, but he's in passing. He's in the talking baseball history. Jollywood's pressure.

You're not going to like this. That information was passed to Rob from Jollywood with the old fashioned in hand. Chains out. Chains not in. I saw he had the shirt tucked into the denim today and he's all in on 90s fashion. I was borderline on that. I almost said something. He looks great right now.

Jolly, come over here. Show Trevor Plouf, how good you look. This is like the old... You guys remember the Michael Jordan Bacon Nette commercial? Look at this. This is clean. Okay. Chains out.

Hair's good. Didn't love Trev's reaction, going to be honest. He's out. Well, I was expecting 90s fashion. That's like... He was expecting 90s fashion. One, two, three. That's a little fuck boy, right?

right there. Oh. Yeah, you're right. All right. Now he's getting that information. I mean, Jolly's got sex appeal here. This has been Jolly's sexiest winter meetings. A lot of J.M. Baseball love.

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Is he just a guy that fits everywhere? Or today, the Orioles. The Orioles have been linked to a lot of starters. And I would love for them to go get one. They're like my team that I think I want to have the best off season because they're fun. Like when they were emerging and they won 100 games, Coach. I mean they were awesome for like a year and a half. They were awesome.

We were stoked. It went away last year. But I'd like to bring that back. And like Suarez fits that in spades, dude. Like I think he fits the vibe of that team because he's baby face and a lot of those guys are. Maybe that's what I'm going with. Also excellent pitcher, which they need. His swagger would be fun in Baltimore.

I think the problem is with pitching. you can do it on every, every team. Like I think it's funny. Houston doesn't like giving out years that I think it might be funny to me that, you know, Ranger Suarez and Framber Valdez, how far apart are we? That I think the years on Ranger might be different. That, like, I could see Houston actually going Ranger and be like,

all right, now we've got this ground ball lefty whose nails in the playoffs. Watch out. But like we've said with the pitchers, it could be anywhere. I do, I can't tell how brainwomenes. I am. I talked to some Baltimore people. I think there is, there's a super weird energy around that team right now. Like they were, again, look where Toronto is right now. Look where the Yankees are.

Look where the Red Sox are. That I think there is a weird feeling in Baltimore that they might make the move. But what is the move? And we've talked about this for Baltimore. And for me, it's tough. And I don't want to compare them to the Pittsburghs and the other teams. But I haven't seen Baltimore go out and get a guy that, like, whoever that is, because it could be a hitter or a pitcher, right?

Like, plug someone in the middle of that lineup. Give me, you know, are we talking Pete Alonzo? Like, we could be. Like, why shouldn't we be? Why shouldn't any team want 40 homers from their first baseman? You'd like to think a pitcher because that felt like the area that they felt a little thin last year, although once Trevor Rogers started twirling it better than anyone has ever. pitched before that change.

But I guess that was the first time where, you know, we were talking last night and brainstorming about kind of these wild card teams like the wild card big boy teams, like how nuclear can Boston go? How nuclear can the Cubs go? Like these major market teams that could really back up the Brinks truck. What expression is that? That's a great expression. You like it.

Okay, good. I'll work it in when I can. It means bring the money. It's about as clear cut as it gets, Coach. Brinks trucks are still in existence, which is insane. Can we use them? Like, can you rent a Brinks truck? What is that?

I don't think of the actual Brinks brand, but you can get an armored vehicle to deliver valuables. So, like, if we wanted to ship something, could we rent a Brinks truck? Imagine, like, that is a sketch. You better get paid, right? Like, you've got to be strapped. If I'm a Brink's truck,

driver, I ain't going down for the money. I think Brinkstruck drivers are packing. They are packing. How do you get into that career? Oh my gosh. So you can rent a Brink's truck? They can cost between

$100,000 and over $1 million. What? Depending on what you're getting on its level of security and customization. Hey. Like single use? If you're sending 100 mil, one mill to protect it seems okay, once 1% quick math. I don't know if I'm in a fever dream or not. I think I'm accurate here.

True story. Okay. Mike Herman, you know who that is, Dustin Morse's counterpart with the twins, traveling secretary, director of team travel, as he likes to be called. That's why people tune into this show. back in the day, we got so much more cash as players because there was meal money. They don't really do that anymore.

But every guy during spring training, road trips, I think you got like, it's like 160 bucks a day, something like that. So like over a 10-day road trip, it adds up. You're getting over a thousand bucks, $1,600. That's nice, by the way. It doesn't get talked about a lot. Cash.

So a lot like, you know, that's over, okay, now you got however any guys that are on the active roster plus some other guys plus coaches. It ends up being quite a bit. And we were talking probably 50, 60 grand that he was going to the Bank of America and getting it. Whoa. And like someone found his, and maybe I dreamed this, dude, but I'm pretty sure it happened. Someone found his like his pattern and robbed them. he's the director of teen travel just in a car with the bag of cash what's he going to do after that they made some precautions i feel bad for my brink's truck would have helped didn't again there's

no brinks read which although omaha stakes and brinks i feel like those are two like good american brands I feel like they've worked together before. What has this episode gotten to? So I think the Orioles are going to make a big move. I do. I do. I think the vibes are weird. I think we've got a new manager.

I think we still have the core. I think you saw shades of winning. It's interesting to think of what side of the ball they go for. Because does a starting pitcher change how I think about them? Yes. Sagano. Yeah. Sagano was there.

last year, so could they be the of my team? Hellsley, Kitchridge, Canoe, back end. And by the way, did we not move our walls to sign starting pitchers? Where are the walls right now?

That's a question that you ask a lot. Are they back or in? I believe the walls are still higher and they move them in a little bit. But yeah. I don't know, man. Framber and Ranger, I think, would be great fits on those teams.

Lefties pitching in that ballpark, sinker ball, lefties. The lineup can be good. Dude, the AL East, bro. I realize we do this every year, and sometimes I'll call myself out. If the Orioles do make a play, Toronto's here, Boston's supposed to be starting. Are my Yanks just, like, toast? 94 wins, same as Toronto in the regular season. The Yankees front office will remind you of that.

Yeah, I guess we're not there yet. Is Adley Rushman on the move? I mean, dude. Bessio comes up. If you want to talk a way to lose a fan base, I don't think so. I only saw a little bit of Bessayo catching, and I think I'd have Adley catch.

Yeah, I think a lot of people have said that too as well. I think it was... And the offense was not great last year. Obviously, he's very young. is 20 years old. Yeah. He had a little, I think they said it on the broadcast. He's got a little devers to him.

Like, it's a little, what's the, I don't know. It looks hitterish. It looks hitterish. Yeah, no. I think he came up, he banged right away, and then it all went, it all went, which is fine. It's just fine. It's a tough sport.

Treve, let me go through some of these things, Dahl in the Post. I guess do you want to talk Mike Soroka? happy for him, your guy. That's really your guy if you want to get into. He is my guy. It's just. And your team.

And my team. Yeah, people forget Jake Snakes a little bit. Yeah, for me, I'm interested to see what they do. I think he's a guy that you stretch him out coming into camp. And then if you need a starter for part of the season, I think Mike Soroka is going to have a bullpen part of his career that we are going to be excited about. Because every time I dig into some of,

his numbers, you're like, whoa, his White Sox relievers day, the guy had some of the craziest strikeout numbers I've ever seen. He's 28 years old. He got called up at 20 with the Atlanta Braves. Remember when they had a young Canadian ace different times in Atlanta? What are they going to do? Like, okay, here's a Dalti stat. Opponents batted just 118 against Soroka's curve and slider in 2025. You think you can work with that, Trev? You can. You can. You can. You can. You can. can. Best in MLB amongst pitchers with at least 65 total innings pitch. So, like, the guy has some stuff. He clearly is missing something starting pitcher-wise,

whether it's the third pitch, the fourth pitch, or just a change of looks. But when he sees a guy the first time, they don't hit him. So, like, I'm interested to see how the snakes use Soroka. Again, I think either way he's a guy you have stretched. out just because if he is a two-winning reliever type for you. Like, dude, I still think there's a world where two-winning relievers are the future of baseball. And I think Mike Soroka could be Exhibit A.

Like, dude, the starting thing, you actually had a nice run. Injuries clipped you. But, like, if you can come in for two innings twice a week and mow down the other team, that's the job of, like, one reliever right now. You just added a roster spot. So I think guys like Mike Soroke are the future of baseball. So it's why I get excited about it. Okay.

Okay. Slerve was new last year from it was his best pitch. His arm mango has gone from 41 to 37 to 34 over the last three years. So we're working on funk with him, which is cool. That's, I mean, that is the present of baseball is what kind of funk do you have? And what kind of funk can we give you? All we want is something different. a different perception for hitters.

It used to be timing. How can we fuck with their time? Oh, I forgot your mouth. Oh, we swear on this show. I know. Oh, you know. How can we mess with timing? And then, you know, that turned into,

hey, are they going to manipulate the pitch clock with that? Now it is timing gets messed with arm angles and some sort of deception, whether that spin, induced break, whatever you need to get to. It's how, what does, what can your body do? biomechanically. That's the craziest thing that we have going right now is we'll put you, we'll get you naked and strap you up to some sensors, we'll find out how your body moves, and then we'll figure out what pitches that you should throw. That is insane, but that's what's happening right now. Is that why you keep inviting me to L.A. to do that?

I don't think you got it, coach. If we're being honest, I don't think you have a pitcher's body. What? Yeah. Don't tell that to Blitzball Battle 7 that's rolling out right now on our warehouse games. I think you're right. I think you have some data points. What's Mike Soroka right now? I got to look at the body. He's a tall boy. He's 6.5. He's 6.5. 2-50 coach. Oh, my God.

By the way, I just read this. I forgot Achilles and knee had him out for like three years. Three years. Yeah. With all the stuff that can go for a pitcher, that's insane. When he came up with the braise, he was the guy. I know. He was there, like, young, Canadian ace like watch out he's currently slotted in the

Dback starting rotation interested to see how the rest of their year and their offseason goes Trev I guess let's crank through some rumor I guess here's the one you can speak the best about twins are telling people they plan to keep Buckson Ryan Pablo

Lopez I talked about this with Chris Rose I believe it when I see it to me it makes sense because it's the AL Central you still can compete, I think the roster can still be okay. They traded away a lot of players last year, but it was like guys that weren't going to be there this year anyway. Harrison Bader, Willie Castro, both free agents at the end of the year, a bunch of relievers. That kind of hurts a little bit.

But again, I'll believe it when I see it. If they're in a uniform opening day, I'll be very happy, but I don't know. And I said this, I'll say it real quick, because I know people hate when I talk Twins, they've lost a significant portion of their fan base with kind of how they went about things. I hear it all the time. They lose a significant amount more if those guys are gone, especially Byron Buxton. Yeah. And I, yeah, you wouldn't like my thoughts. I would, I would personally love to see Buckson somewhere else. Iron has three years, 45 total left. We're talking about a guy that has MVP talent. I know. I know. And he put together a pretty full season last year that, yeah, I mean,

this is, again, I'm saying you don't like this, but to see him, again, like there was kind of Buxton Dodger rumors for a little bit, like Byron Buxton batting fifth or six for the Dodgers. Like, it's over. Yeah. Personally, what I like to see Byron go play in the playoffs and like do his thing, I mean, I love the guy. I think he is a tremendous human being with an immense amount of talent, so I'd love to see it, but selfishly, I need it on my twins.

Again, where this event is just crazy. Again, Ali Marmal, who I think me and him might potentially be roommates next year in St. Louis, him and Hymn Bloom just walked right by us. Did you get the wink in the... They're just live. No, I got, I kind of got nervous from Hymn, which I hadn't felt that before. Like we've had his back this entire time. We were trying to give him time.

Say you know Trevor Ploof. Okay, you know. Come here. Come here. I got someone I want you to see. Ladies and gentlemen, it's Jake Mintz. That's been his family barbecue. We are alive.

We're all alive, man. We're always alive. He looks good, right? You look great. My whoop gave me a 1% recovery score this morning. Was he 3 o'clock as well? What time did you go to last night? Yeah.

Four. Yeah. Did you get any Venmo payments this morning of people that might have drank rum from your bum last night? Thanks for having me. Good seeing you, man. Check out Cespitas Family Barbecue. Great guys. I do.

I really like both those guys. They, it's interesting. We met them on an interesting timeline. Like, they were kind of like the young guys that basically. that baseball had welcomed in a little bit. That I won't, you know, it wasn't too alphas linking up in the forest, but it was kind of like, who are you guys, who are we guys? They're awesome.

Jake is, Jake's off the wagon a little bit. It might be a Jake thing. Not sure what that's about. But yeah, the way they know and are passionate about baseball, Trev, it's the one thing that you and I don't have, they're passionate about every sort of baseball. Like they get into the winter leagues. They get into D3 baseball.

Like you and I are kind of baseball snobs where Jake and Jordan, they just, they kind of, do they love ball more than us? Should I fight them? Do they throw 250 pitches to 10-year-olds today? No. They might have, dude. They might have.

My entire life has been dedicated to ball. Yeah, it has. Yes, it has. You're laughing. No, it has. Are you a Hall of Famer? Let me go through some more... The more accolades you got, the better.

Can I tell you something that may be the highlight of our trip, if no signings or anything, go down? You know who's joining us in Beautiful Orlando tomorrow? Peter Alonzo. Wait, why? They're putting on the show tomorrow. Pete's coming down. Boris.

They're doing the dance. Not specifically joining you, but he'll be there. Maybe. I mean, if he wanted to be seen on the biggest platform ever, Jolly's here, he's kind of like our Mets bait, if there's anything we need to jingle in. And tell Scotty B. Scottie B's your guy. Cluiff and Stafford. Say what's up.

I'm not going to say that. But that's, I think they're going to make a scene tomorrow. It's a good winter meetings to make a scene, especially because there haven't been scenes going on. Isn't he in Orlando guy? Do I have that all wrong? He's a Florida creature. He's a Tampa. But, yeah, it's all this.

It's all Florida. Florida is insane. Florida. Hey, talk about Florida being the craziest place we got in the States. It is. Is Ketel-Marty getting traded? Ooh, so many teams that he works on. I'm seeing the Red Sox rumors.

I like him on the Tigers as well. Like he is, you talk about starting pitching and every team could use starting pitching. Every team could use Ketel-A. I don't care who's your second baseman. He ain't better than could tell Marte. No. That's because he's the best second baseman.

Except for Luke Kishall. I was, oh, God. I was, I didn't think he was going to. And now the amount of teams I see interested in the amount of teams that I see being more active in the trade market than free agency, it's making me think. And I guess the other scary part around that is that, like, Boston is so rumored. I, Danny Wax. I mean, I love Danny Wax.

Yeah. Trevor Ploof says hi. Okay. Whoa. I'm not going to say that. I'm not going to say those words she said about you. I think she's bringing back mid. I don't know.

No, she did not say that. Hey. She didn't say mid. Nobody's saying that anymore. Everyone's asking Christ. Don't. 20 pushups. You're right.

All right. You talk. The Diamondbacks, the, oh, you're, he's doing it, okay. The rumored return they want for Catelle Marte, there's an emphasis on starting pitchers who are at or near Major League ready. Okay. Who needs offense and could use a second baseman that's trying to trade pitching? The New York Yankees.

Cincinnati Reds. Okay. I mean, Ellie De LaCruz, Catel Marte. Oh, my God. A little flavor in Cincinnati. Oh, that they might kill Skyline Chili. They might rebrand that whole city.

Did he come from Cincinnati? Hunter Green lives in Arizona. He's at a mansion there. You're not trading Hunter Green for Catal Marte. I don't even know like. Yeah, I know that's not how you're going to that right now. I'm just spitballing here. No, no, no, no.

Can you name all the red starting pitch? pitching they have. Hunter Green, Andrew Abbott, Brady Singer, Nick Ladolo, Rhett Lauer, Chase Burns, Chase Petty. Is that a Mass Car driver? He drives the 23 car. You can stand me up at the gates of hell. There's a lot of pitching. I missed somebody too. Blown back down. That's Tom Petty. I missed in peace. Let me see if there's any other baseball that needs to be talked about. Cubs are pursuing film Maton. Pirates made the offer to Kyle Schwerp. We didn't talk about it.

I'll be honest, man. I don't want to say it's toxic, but I'm not in a good spot with the pirates. Case Petty is a prospect with the Reds. Yeah, you crushed that. Like, that's insane. I don't think, I don't know where he's at in their plans. The fact you had that I'm very proud of you. he was drafted by the twins.

He was, yeah, Trid. There we go. Pirates, okay, here are my two thoughts on the pirates. One, I have three thoughts on the pirates. One, my uncle Rick, lifelong pirates fan, was retired near Pirate Spring Training. Part of his retirement plan was to go to Pirate Spring Training games. This is the first year they're not getting Pirate Spring Training tickets.

That's how butt hurt. And I never said that. phrase about my uncle is about the pirates organization right now. Number two, even if they signed a big guy, somehow the Pittsburgh Pirates win the Kyle Schwerber sweepstakes, what does that do to their team? They need so much help offensively. They need half a lineup that why would you be spending $150 million? And there's Katie Wu. And there's Katie Wu. And Trev, thank you. everyone watching talking baseball. We'll see you later. Even if they signed Kyle Schwerver, what does that do?

Nothing for the pirates. They need to sign three hitters. Go sign Polanco, Ryan O'Hern, and someone else, and have a lineup instead of what we're doing. And they're not going to do that. I'm glad you brought that up, Jake, because this is my take on it, okay? Is that going to be four years 100? Great offer. Love that, right?

I think he ends up getting more than that. And if the pirates really wanted them, they'd have to be, I don't know, how much higher than the Red Sox, the Phillies, or even the Reds, probably like a significant amount, right? But you just signaled to your team that we have $25 million a year to spend on our offense.

If I am Paul Skeen, I'm saying, okay, you better spend $25 million this offseason on hitters. We're not getting Kyle Schwerber. I love it if they did, man. I'm a pirates guy. They flew me out. They didn't fly me.

I flew myself out. Pre-draft workout. Me, Neil Walker, PNC Park. I've had an affinity for them since. It's my favorite story you have. Neil Walker. I don't think we can do it justice, but literally a 17-year-old Trevor Plouf,

you and Neil Walker going head-to-head at PNC Park to get drafted by the Pirates. That's insane. It was amazing, dude. Okay. I've loved the Pirates since. I love Angie McCutcheon. I love my dad's fair player is Roberto Clemente.

They've meant some. They've been a P as their logo. That's my last name. I've always liked them. I'm in on you guys. They got mad to me last week, two weeks, whatever else. You better spend $25 million on your roster.

You better. Awesome. From Mark Tompkins, of the Tampa Bay Times, hearing Rays are closing in on a deal with left-handed pitcher of Stephen Mats. That's so Rays. Ray's going Ray. Ray's going to Ray.

Ray's going to Ray. There's a hundred innings of a three-two. Watch out. Yeah, they'll do something with the arm angle. Long Island, baby. That's big. Okay, watch out Seroca. Here's what I'm going to do, and I'm not going to add any commentary after.

Again, I use fan graphs a lot. I'm going to read you FanGraph's current lineup for the Pittsburgh Pirates. Don't do that. Why, Trev? This is a baseball show. I'm not adding any commentary. Center fielder, O'Neill Cruz. Third baseman, Jared Triolo.

Right fielder, Brian Reynolds. First base, Spencer Horwitz. Shortstop, Nick Gonzalez. You know I love Nick Gonzalez. Not a great year for him. Left fielder. John Justinin Garcia How do we say his name?

Me and BPD did this earlier on Wake and Jake The password. Joe Stinson Joe Silenex. They just got him from the Red Sox. They just got him for Oviedo. He's like, he's real young. Jack Swinsky,

Joey Bart, Nick York. Brewer's and the Cubs are in the Central still. Reds are in the Central still. Yeah, I mean, look, that's, I mean, what do you want me to say? I don't know. Not great? Bringing a couple guys. Try to change the tone, dude.

And I just said they got 25Ms to spend a year for the next four years. They put that out there. Hey, I'll also, you can check me on this. I think the pirates and there are other teams. I don't necessarily want to list them right now. I think there's a potential extra tax you have to pay to bring a player in. Like, okay, you're Jorge Polanco. You just went to Seattle.

for a year. You had a really nice season. You know, you're probably getting offered two-year contracts, maybe a three, maybe one with more money, whatever. If he was going to choose Pittsburgh, that price tag's got to be up from the other teams, Trev. So I'll push back a little bit.

I agree with the sentiment. I went through this. You know, briefly, look, I referenced my playing time as little as possible because I didn't have a great career. Mid-level. You had a nice... I had a decision between the Oakland A's and the Boston Red Sox. Those are the two teams that offer me contracts.

Now, I think the biggest difference for me, now, the A's did offer me, like, maybe it was like 250 grand more. Maybe it was 500 grand more, okay? But their offer came with guaranteed playing time, whereas the Red Sox were like we can guarantee 350 of bets. Like Pablo Sandoval was still there. I would have hated you. He didn't hate me.

I would have hated you. Red Sox, Trev. Oh, yeah, yeah. Watching you hit tanks off the Yankees? I would have been really, really good. I probably made a mistake going to the A's fine. I met Matt Chapman there. He texted me this morning.

Made me feel good. Full circle. Full circle. I think playing time could be a thing. like, hey, you're the guy. So if you want a one-year deal, reestablish yourself or one-year deal, you know, get back down the open market

where you're going to get 500 plate appearances here. That's also a way to lure free agents. But who is that? I'd have to look. Like Jorge Polanco played really well this year. Like Jorge Polanco is going to get offered playing time from the Mariners again. The Mariners want to bring you back.

I don't think necessarily, he is a switch hitter, so that's a bad, um, it's a bad calm. But like, there's guys out there that're like, okay, like, I need to reestablish myself. And you could believe in them.

You could change some things. I'm just saying that there is a caveat to that argument where you can say, we're guaranteeing you 160 starts. 62 if you want it. Yeah, I guess you're... That means something. I guess you're right. And again, positions start to come and play,

and I'd have to re-look at the free agent. I mean, the first name that came to mind for me, and I know maybe we're too... Maybe we're too closely. Jake Croningworth. You're a pirate. It's a contract. That'd be the biggest contract they brought on in a while.

No, but they don't, the Pajas will pay some of that down. The first guy that popped up to me in free agents when you gave that speech is Rees Hoskins. Like, could we not find some of bats for Reese? Could he find, if they promised him? The guys that usually get shipped to the rays and the A's, the pirates seem to start thinking about those guys. I mean, quick, quick other free agent look. But yeah, I get, I, I,

guess my speeches if you're the Pittsburgh Pirates I if Kyle Schwabers price tag gets to 25 million a year if it gets a 28 million a year use that on three guys like Mike talkman Austin Hayes like bring in MLB guys because if we do that maybe the team starts playing better and then maybe skein's days matter more and maybe burrows is something and like you need to the car is dead and you need to start pushing it. And hopefully it kicks back in and then we could do that movie scene where everyone hops back in the car because it turned back on. But like the car is dead. And you could even say you got the money that you just put out there, spend it, and we got Mitch Keller trade chip, do it. And now we're looking at, you know, some currency to go make some deals.

We finally landed on our pirates rant that the people have been looking for. And that kind of of shows where winter meetings are at. Let me just, I'll read a handful of things, just because, Dahl, honestly, Dahl went ham. Astros and Shane Baws being targeted. Great. Brad Keller and the Yankees. Okay.

Robert Suarez, drawing interest from the Dodgers and the Blue Jays and the Mets. Must be nice, Bobby Suarez. Mets video meeting with Michael King. Michael King's going to get a contract. People like him. Dude, when you watch him throw, it's, there are days where he looks unhitted. Yeah, he wins.

Nationals, what the hell are those guys going to do? McKenzie Gore and C.J. Abrams are available when you hired a 30-year-old manager. All about it, the guy seems nice. That's an insane move. That's young, dude. Like, I am in. I'm not saying it's a bad move. I'm saying that is a, not insane is a bad word for it.

Out of the box. Two youngest NFL coaches ever hired Lane Kiffin. Sean McVeigh. And Sean McVeigh. Love Sean McVeigh. Have you met him yet? Yeah. Really?

I watched the Super Bowl with him. Fuck. It was unbelievable sitting next to that guy. Watching the Super Bowl with Sean McFay? That's, that made me more jealous than your Neil Walker first round pick tryout. That's awesome. He is, his mind works so fast.

Was he locked in? Oh my gosh. Yeah. Did you keep living away for him? Every play out, calling it out. This is what I, like, honestly, he will be. a phenomenal media broad whatever he wants. I think he wants to do that.

I think he just got roped into coaching again. Him and Matthew, next steps. Yes. Let's see. Padres, we talked about that a little bit. Marlins have been primarily offering just one-year deals. My God. Cubs, Phil Maton, Jake Myers is a free agent. That's good.

I think that's kind of what I've got, coach. And then, I mean, the other thing that's looming that you and I have talked about a lot is just scoobel and what, how are the tigers? How are the tigers going to navigate the whole thing? And I think you said you and Rosie talked about it or there was a Kenny R article as well. Either way, the type, if you keep scuba, you have to add and help out this one year of scuba. If you trade scuba, you have to add because you just lost Terek scuba. So maybe this is a bigger Tigers offseason than I've been anticipated. Yeah, my thought process is you have to trade him now.

It has to be, I would even say early off season. You cannot. And we're approaching, is this mid-off season yet? Kind of. It has to be like soon. You cannot trade him during the season. You cannot trade him during the season. It's a bad business decision to do that.

If they stink, you do. but they're in the AL Central they will be in contention I will bet a lot of money on that how much that extra that extra 500K from the A's that was nice I was like yeah I need that I'm proud of you I guarantee playing time I don't tell you enough I'm proud of you

I'm proud of us uh I think we're an hour 05 and we didn't have my kids down they're inside by themselves my daughter got two teeth extracted today. Wild day for me. Two teeth extracted. Yeah, two baby teeth. You got one growing, adult tooth growing behind it. So they have to make room for it.

She cried a lot. It was a very, it was a sad day for me. She's probably going to sleep well. I know when I cry. I got to go put her to sleep. What are they doing? Why don't you go check on them? Honestly, Lord knows. Yeah. I've been out here a yuck and ball because that's That's what you do.

You've dedicated your life to baseball. I truly have. You have. And we thank you for that. We thank everyone that's been in the chat with us. The numbers keep going up. I can't. I forgot there was a chat.

You didn't even tell me. Do we go? BPD and Jolly keep running it. We'll see. If something happens in the next little bit, we might be back on the ones, twos, and threes. Right now it feels all quiet on the Western Front.

We'll record some tomorrow. we'll do this same thing. We'll tell all sorts of stories. I'm on a little bit of a bender. Be honest. Jake sucks. Dude, my mom is in, like, Florida retirement mode that they just, like, drink at 4 p.m. every day.

So I see. I got there, and I'm out. I'm drinking wine now. It was a tough day. Three days at my mom's winter meetings. I'm on a very casual bender. John Jay. Come up L.A.

Afterward. Descalso. Thinking about New Year's.