Talkin' Baseball (MLB Podcast) - Luis Castillo TRADED to the Mariners! | 519

Episode Date: July 30, 2022

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Hello and welcome to talking baseball. Emergency players only at Luis Castillo to your Seattle Mariners. Holy smokes. What is going on, everybody, and welcome. No, no. No. You sound like the ocean crashing into the sand right now. What's going on?

Is that just me? No, I hear that too, and I hate it. Now it's gone, right? There we go. Sounds all right. It sounded like white noise. Like I was going to sleep. Hello.

Upper cut swing. Oh, my God. Guys, I'm sorry about Trevor Bluff. He's excited because the trade deadline is going. John Boy is at a family party, but he sent us his notes, producer BBD and myself, Jake Strombole. And we had the first big trade, potentially the biggest trade of the trade deadline. We don't know. Luis Castillo goes to the Seattle Mariners.

We stumbled into it a little bit yesterday. The Mariners have been playing good baseball. They're a top four team in the AO. You could say they're a top three team in the ALE. And they go out and get a big arm. Trev, how are you doing, Big Poppy? This trade comes in last night. And immediately, I think of, man, do I have to sit here and just beg for forgiveness from Seattle fans?

we all know my my history with seattle it hasn't been great to be honest with you i left the seahawks in the dust i said russ i love you bro but i got a change to the rams my boy matthew stafford then i see mike trout murdered the mariners so i pronounce him dead it's just we've had a contentious relationship but man i'm excited for mariners fans i used to say seattle was my favorite road ballpark favorite road city so there is a little bit of love there but the way they are making noise in the American leagues. Got me fired up. I don't think I'm going to ask for forgiveness.

I'm just going to pump the gas a little bit for the people of Seattle, if you know what I mean. You're just gassing. I'm gassing them up. Babes, how are you doing, Big Daddy? Deadline guy brought home the recording materials because he's different. What's up, dude? I'm good.

Made a quick studio in my, I guess you would call this room a kitchen in my apartment. and hopefully the stream's good. And everyone's happy with how it looks. BBD live from his sex cave. Trev, let's talk about the trade. And that's brought to us by Shady Ray's Code Talking 50% off, two plus pairs of premium polarized shades. I've got mine.

Just came from the indoor driving range. Whoops. Summers here. You're going to need sunglasses. Code talking 50% off and go, go watch J.M. Warehouse, our floorball tournament is probably the best thing we've ever made at this company. Trev and the boys just ripped it up last game. No spoilers. No spoilers. Trevor, I will kick it to you first. The Seattle Mariners traded for Luis Castillo.

Four prospects. One seems to be the big fish, Noel V. Martae, young shortstop prospect, and then a group of other guys. I think it's four of their top five prospects from Seattle. That means a lot of different things for a lot of different teams. We'll probably get there a little later because let's be honest, that's not our sweet spot. Luis Castillo to the Mariners Trev. What were your initial thoughts and where do you sit now?

I loved it. You know, I figured Seattle was going to be big in this trade deadline, whether it was a Castillo, whether it was a Soto, you know, whether it was a Montas or, you know, They were going to go do something. We understand what the GM there likes to do. But a guy like Castillo, I mean, we talk about it all the time on our show. You can never have enough pitching.

And they already had a pretty solid rotation. But getting him over here is now he's got to be your one, right? Lying up in a playoff series, this is your ace now. You bring in a guy like that. I mean, it takes them to the next tier in terms of starting pitching. And we were kind of, you know, checking in on some stuff, some background numbers on Castillo. he has changed the way he uses his fastball.

So I started digging in on that a little bit and found some pretty cool stuff. We always talk about tunneling and what pitchers do to tunnel and what pitches they tunnel. Usually you're talking that, if you're talking to tunneling, you're talking about,

okay, he's got his fastball coming out of here. The slider's looking the same thing. His other off-fifty pitches, whether it be a change-up or a splitter or a curveball. They're all coming out of the same spot, looking the same, and that's what you try to do as a pitch. It makes it tough for a hitter to pick up pitches early right out of the hand.

What Luis has been able to do is tunnel to fastballs. So he tunnels his four seamer. He tunnels his sinker. And they look identical coming out of his hand, but except you got one coming here and one stand, extremely flat at the top of the zone. And that's another thing he's changed this year. He's just started to throw the ball at the top of the zone much more. And that's just created this effect.

So tunnel, tunnel, tunnel. and you have to decide now as a hitter. Yeah, you see a fastball coming, but now you got to stay up at the top of the zone or you got to go down and get it with a sinker. It just makes it extremely difficult. So, I mean, he's had a great year. He's put together a great career so far.

I'm excited. They needed this. I think some of the young guys in the rotation, they're probably going to have to, like, wind down some of the innings as the season goes on. So bringing in a guy like Luis Gis-Costeal makes all the sense in the world for Seattle. I mean, they're in it, man.

They're in the thick of this thing now. And I think that if you're a Mariners fan, you understand what prospects are for to improve your freaking major league team, whether you call them up or traded him. And they did that with this trade. Yes. I mean, Luis Castillo is a horseman. You look at his baseball reference.

He is 29 years old. He led the league. And game started last year with 33. And he had a little bit of a weird year. He got off to a slow start and then he kind of bounced back. He's made 14 starts this year, a 286. And remember, he missed the first few weeks of the season. So he's, he's been pitching and he's probably feeling good.

12 starts in the short in 2020 season, 32 the year before, 31 the year before that. The guy is a horse, his career 362 ERA. Ray, he's been a little bit better this year. And I think in general, he already doesn't tell the full story because this guy can dominate a game. This guy came to Yankee Stadium a few weeks ago and he'd been on the Yankees radar and he dropped it. He's also got a little swag.

If he punches you out for the final out of the inning, he might drop down a little more on the mound and let you know about it. And good, good. Baseball is fun, two-time All-Star including this year. And yeah, I do think the one thing Mariners would say, maybe this guy's your one. Let's see how he looks in Seattle. Robbie Ray might have a good argument there too coming off the Cy Young year and settling in. But either way, there's a lefty, righty punch for you.

And whenever I talk about this guy, Logan Gilbert, you know, I call him a mini glass now when he's right. That's kind of what it looks like to me. I think right now that's their one, two, three. Marco Gonzalez has been so solid for them for a bunch of years. and if he needs to get a playoff start, I think you're okay with that. But also George Kirby, Matt Brash was exciting early this year. And we know one of John Boy's favorite things is when the playoffs come around, basically every team in recent history has had a starting pitcher or two kick out to the bullpen

and give teams effort from there because that's where you need it. And man, if one of those young guys ends up kicking to Seattle's bullpen and they can kind of tick up and be a two-winning weapon or something like that. And you're right with the ending limits too. It's kind of a proven formula in recent years of baseball that you have to love it for Seattle. They brought themselves back into the season after you did declare them dead. So they're zombies. So they're kind of invincible.

And this is a team that hasn't been to the playoffs in two decades. we have people that work at Johnboy Media that haven't been alive for Seattle Mariners playoff team. So man, when you put all that in the bucket with a beautiful stadium, a great sports city, I love that they went for it. They paid a prospect price, but like you said, their prospects till they ate. You know, know who's a guy we're not talking about on Seattle right now? Jared Kelnick, who, you know, the Mariners.

flees the Mets, right? They got Kelnick for Diaz. Well, guess what? Edwin Diaz is having a historic closing season for the first place Mets. And Kelnick, still very young and has a great chance to be a good ball player, but he's figuring things out as a young ball player. So prospects are prospects, and you got the premier pitcher at this deadline, assuming a name we don't know goes. Yeah, like a Rodon still the chance to go. But here's what I think. happened in Seattle. Maybe not, but because Depoto was going to make a move regardless. Five of the last eight games, you played the Houston Astros, and you've lost all five of

those against that team. So you know what you're up against. The division's not there for them anymore. I mean, gosh, I say that, clip this, they'll probably win the division. The division's not there anymore, okay? But the playoffs come around. You have to go through Houston. You have to go through the Yankees.

They knew they needed a significant roster upgrade. and they went out and did it with their rotation. I mean, you go up. I have a Bob Nightingale tweet. I had the fact check it because you know how that goes. They're 17 and 0 since July 2nd against teams not named the Houston Astros, their own five against the Astros this month. They've seen Verlander like six times.

They understand what it means to have a dominant ace going up against you. So they went out and got a guy that's going to be their ace. And I like it. I don't think they're done. No, and I guess that's the interesting next part of this. A, you know, Carlos Santana has been playing solid baseball for them and they went out and got him a couple weeks ago. Even going back to the offseason, man, Eugenio Suarez and Jesse Winker, man, like those are massive moves. And there's an argument, their best player coming into this season before Julio Rodriguez kind of announced and stuff.

Mike Muscox, Malibu, Mike. No. Got me. Dude, it's Mitch Hanager. Mitch Hanager, I mean, go check out his baseball reference. That's a guy. That's a dude who now he's rehabbing in the minor leagues. So I think that's the interesting next move for the Mariners.

Did they get Luis Castillo? That's their deadline move. And they're going to, when Mitch Hanigar comes back, that's almost another deadline, a fake deadline acquisition in their heads. Or, you know, I got. got yelled at for throwing Wilson Contreras out there. Sorry, Cal Raleigh, a nice young catcher, but I think Willie's a little more intimidating in the lineup. But hey, catchers are catchers. If you like your guy, you like your guy. Do you think if you're Jerry Depoto, and I know you

like playing that game, you think they got more in them. Pitching, pitching, bro. Okay. Go get me some bullpen guys. I don't care how good your bullpen is. I don't care how many guys you think you can run out there in the back end of your bullpen, go get some more. That's just how the playoffs work, man. You can never have enough freaking pitching. But honestly, I think that's it. I don't think they need to do anything else. Go ahead and get somebody else in the back end of the bullpen.

And it doesn't have to be some crazy, expensive person. I love David Robertson. I want him to go somewhere. This is a guy that's pitched in big games before. Like, he just doesn't get hit. Like, he's one of those freaking guys. Go get somebody like that. You know he's not done.

He's never done. The work is never done for old depoto. I respect that. That's like me and you. Man, this Mariners roster, man, if, you know, this is a franchise that hasn't had a ton of success. I mean, they haven't been to the playoffs since 01, I believe. So they have a lot of talent on this team. And maybe this Luis Castillo trade kind of gets them the respect they deserve.

I know we talk about J.P. Crawford a lot and who he is. They have a lineup. Thai France is so, so good at baseball. There's some names in their pen. Seawald has been great for them. Andreas Munoz can chuck it. Interested to see what Diego Castillo and Ken Giles are banged up right now. Remember Ken Giles?

But you're right. You can never have enough pitching. And Depoto is kind of the number one GM that will make moves. So I'm expecting them to be involved more. pitching side probably makes sense. I'm just saying if Willie Contreras did break for this team, I would be a little juiced up to send it back in their faces a little bit, but they may not need it.

Cal rallies a solid, good young ballplay player. I guess where do you want to, do you want to continue with Mariners? Do you want to talk about the other teams that were in the Castillo sweepstakes? I was going, I'm going through some team stats now. like the Mariners runs per game, not hot. You know, four runs per game, you know, as opposed to the Yankees who are averaging 5.3 runs per game. Is that a ballpark related, maybe a little bit?

I don't know. So maybe some offensive upgrade. I don't know. It could be a bench bed. It could be, there's a lot of things to do. Okay, I honestly believe you're never done as a GM. Like you can never, like look at, look at these teams. The Houston Astros are looking to add right now.

All we ever talk about is how deep the. Houston Astrosters, they're going to go get Josh Bell problem. They might go get Wilson Contreras, although people are saying they only want to back up and they want to leave Maldonado, whatever. I want to say one more thing about Castillo. I think he might be better there in Seattle, going from pitching in Cincinnati, which is like one of the worst ballparks to pitch in with a sloppy defense. He now goes to Seattle who has an above average defense, and he's pitching in an above average pitcher's part. So you can look at his numbers now and you can dream about them being even better down the stretch.

And dude, the other thing, like, these guys are the alpha competitors of alpha competitors in the world, like Luis Castillo jumping into a playoff race. Like, you don't think that's going to get his juices going more. You're right, going from a hitter's park to a pitcher's park. I mean, I wouldn't, if you had to bet against him being better or worse, I think it's, I think it's easy better. That division hasn't seen him. And he's got teammates there.

So this isn't just like a random like, hey, I got to go meet all these new dudes, which can be, look, we forget about the human element of these trades all the time. You're picking up in the middle of the season. He's been in Cincinnati for a long time. It doesn't live there in the off season, I don't think. But that's essentially his second home. Very comfortable, understands the city and all that comes along with it. Now he's got to move across the Seattle. And what helps is if you have guys there that are in, we're in the same situation as you.

So we can go to Swarres. So you can go to Winkerman, like, hey, man, like, where should I live? Like, help me out, help me out. Like, it's just the, he's going to be comfortable there and quickly. And that doesn't always happen with trades. Sometimes, man, and he's been expected to be traded too. So mentally he's been prepared for this. Sometimes when things happen out of the blue, you get guys going to new teams and just not

feeling comfortable right away in their surroundings. But I believe because, you know, he's got his boys over there and he's been expecting this. He's going to be comfortable there, man. And the first game he's going to have to throw. Yeah. Thanks, baby. Yeah, and maybe that's where we'll head.

And that's, it ties into all this. Joe's McFly, just tried to FaceTime me, which messed up my whole computer for a little bit. Man, yeah, he's supposed to, he's lined up to face the Yanx's first start. The Yankees were supposedly in on Luis Castillo, the Dodgers, a lot of teams. And the other thing we haven't mentioned that ties into every team that was talking to

him, there was a wild card that was mentioned, the Texas Rangers. because Luis Castillo is a year and a half guy. And we've talked about it a lot on talking baseball. And this was something Jimmy wanted us to drive home is that, man, you get Luis Castillo for this postseason run and you'll have him next year. So like we mentioned, and we'll get to the Mariners prospects and the red side of this a little later. But the Mariners are in a little window right now.

Julio Rodriguez has broken out and become one of the best players in baseball. You have a lot of young pitching. You sign Robbie Ray. You got a lot of young talent on offense. So you just got Luis Castillo for now two October runs, hopefully, which, man, that is awesome. So the New York Yankees, me, BBD, are Yankee fans. When the Yankees traded for Ben Tendi, it was like, ooh, okay. So there's a slightly more chance we're out on Soto.

I'm not ruling it out because I'm a sicko. But Ben Intendi and Luis Castillo and maybe a bullpen. guy, that was kind of the dream. And Yankee fans were starting to talk themselves into that. He's off the board for them. Yankee fans are reeling a little bit right now because Luis Castillo was the best pitcher on the market. There's probably an argument for Frankie Montas, depending how he looks the rest of the way,

talented pitcher. And then, you know, there's the wild cards. Is a Pablo Lopez or someone like that actually on the table? We'll find out in a few days. I don't think so. But we heard the Texas Rangers we were in on Luis. Castillo, which if you're a Rangers fan, and this is what John Boy want to pass on, you got to feel good about that. That means the Texas Rangers feel like they have a chance next year to do

something, which that's a little put a little a little asterisk there. They might be exciting again this offseason after just signing Simeon, Seeger, Jack Leiter on his way. But I guess for the big dogs involved, Dodgers, Yankees, any really big contender this year. I mean, does this raise a yellow flag for you at all for the Yankees or the Dodgers at all? Or, I mean, they have so much talent anyways that let's see what else happens. I think the price tag probably scared them, scared them away a little bit as they're seeing the offers. Because in my minds, they're probably, I mean, look, obviously you want Luis Castillo on your team, if you're the Dodgers, the Yankees, whoever, all these, you know, teams that we're putting in the top tier here.

but there's other guys available that are kind of pure rentals they're going to cost less and I think maybe they've shifted focus to that you know the Dodgers have had to give up some prospects recently to get Turner to get shurs or and I think maybe they're looking that route instead where you know we we have our guys like gonslin has established himself as a force we haven't even had Dustin may okay we have Bobby Miller my fucking guy waiting in the wing so like would we like Luis Gis Gisdiel for this year next year, sure, but I think we're going to look in-house to fill some

of those rotation spots. And we can get a rental for this year as Walker Bieler is still coming back. I think they've probably focused more on that side of it where they don't have to give up prospect capital to acquire for a position that they already have depth in. Do you know what I mean?

Like they already have a lot of starters that they can rely on, plus guys coming back from injury, guys that are in the high end of their minor league. So like maybe we don't need to create a logjam. there just yet. And we can save our prospect capital to go after things of, you know, different needs or our lineup, maybe our bullpen is probably where they're going to look, the Dodgers at least. For the Yankees, I really think he really fits more with the Yankees than the Dodgers. I think the Dodgers have more starting pitching depth than the Yankees

do, especially at the top end of their minor leagues. And like I said, kind of like the back end of the rotation. So as a Yankee fan, I'm definitely a little bit disappointed. I'm, if I was a Yankees fan. Oh, 40 and slip there. Maybe I'm just a huge Yankee fan undercover. Wow. I really like that. Yeah, man, that's a, and I mean, you know,

I don't even think you mentioned Dustin May there. Like the Dodgers find a way. I did. Okay, I wasn't listening during that part. John just texted saying he might be able to join for the last five minutes unless it's too much tech. So I don't, I don't know. I'll put that in BBD's hands.

I know we're wrestling it a little bit. it, but love some job. Yeah, man, and the price tag. I've been skipping over that a little bit. Prospects are prospects. Noel V Marte, for those that are MLB, the show guys, Trev, they know him. He's a kid that gets some love on there. 20-year-old shortstop prospect.

He's currently ripping up high A, I believe. Power, steals. You know, the question always with shortstop is the defense. Will he stay? there. We'll see. I mean, he's what, what he's doing at that level, he's got a chance to be a legit one. He was the number one prospect in their organization. He is going to the Reds, the shortstop position there, um, has been a problem for a little bit now. Can he be the future and how soon? I think those are the questions in Reds lands. And, you know, they, they get a couple more

legitimate prospects. And, and that's Reds fans, hey, rooting for you. They, uh, it from, from what I saw from Reds fans, you know, they got a haul. You hear a lot of rumors and you mentioned the Dodgers, the Yankees. A lot of these teams have their limits on what they're going to offer for a year and a half and a guy. It felt like the Mariners had a little bit of that 20 year drought desperation to get the best pitcher on the market. And again, we're fine with that.

They're prospects. This is not to be rude, but this could be the last time you really hear about a of these guys. I hope it's not. I'm rooting for, you know, Reds fans to come out in a couple years and be happy that they traded a guy that was a stud for them for a while. But, you know, Arroyo's a prospect who's 18 years old. You know, reading the scouting report, Glove gives them a high floor. So we'll see what goes on there. Stout is a 24-year-old. My feelings are out, bro. High floor is just... floor 24 year old small right hander so stout being small i like that um and then more is a is a 22 year old

reliever who supposedly has the high end stuff that that one day can be a back end guy for you but again a lot of moving parts a lot of stuff that can happen in those years it's a look go ahead bd it's it's obviously impossible to know what anybody is, but the Reds, those three guys they got are now on MLB.com. They're number one, number six, and number 15 prospects. So on paper value, it's probably hard to do much better than that. I'm looking at Noel V. Marte and everyone in our chat saying he's not a shortstop, bro. It's never going to make. And I was like, why are they saying that?

And I went to baseball reference. Got a 9-18 fielding percentage right now, 24 errors. Like, I've been there, bro. So probably going to move off shortstop, probably going to be third basement. Doesn't really matter. Does that really matter that much people? If the guy can bang, he can bang. Yes.

We know that. And the minor leagues. The minor leagues are the minor leagues. You know, but Derek Jeter had 56 errors, would you? Yeah, because you're playing on a. fucking asphalt parking lot ass. Fields, man. It's horrible.

Shut my confidence down playing in the minor league. Promise you that he's going to be okay. So high tea. Speaking of high tea. Jimmy O'Brien, John Boy, how you doing? My good friend, big day over there. I'm doing great. I love this setup. It's just Zoom? Yeah, there's no lab.

I can see all of you. This is amazing. Our state of the yard, Manhattan, fucking office can't do this, but we can. I listened to every word you guys have said because I was walking James. He fell asleep. So I figured I can just join now. I can just join now. My one, uh,

I like the move from both sides. I text you guys that because I don't like that the reds traded winker and like decided to sell way back when. But once you do that, you have to trade Castillo and then go find the team that's a little more desperate. That's going to overpay. And I think they, they got the biggest package I can get.

But if you're, Seattle. I think you need like a spin zone angel in the room, all the GMs like, hey, should really do this? Should we add these minor leaguers? And I think I want that to be my job. And I think you say Kyle Lewis won rookie of the year. Julio is a first name only baseball player. You know, Gilbert is a stud. Like let's not get greedy. You can say Gilbert alone too, I think. Who else is Gilbert in the big league? So I like that. It's really. run with that James sure yeah so like they um those are all homegrown prospects that have like panned out you're not going to get more you think you're going to have four three the dodgers it's not

going to happen so trade these guys they're automatic bus no i don't mean that but i'm saying you you've you've utilized your minor leagues to get major league talent and when you have four that are like stabilized and good then you trade the next batch to help out the four that made it. So I like it. I agree from like a payroll standpoint. That's what you're looking at. And a lot of these teams obviously care about that very much.

When you do have, like you said, James, a bunch of guys who you've grown and they're all pre-arb or right in the thick of R. Like you now, that's when you can get rid of the rest of your prospects because you have cost control players. You can go get those,

you can go give those extra prospects to wait to supplement your roster. because guess what? It's all about the big leagues. No one cares about the minor leagues. I don't care about your winning percentage in the minor leagues. The only reason we care about that

is because it means you have good players and we can go supplement the roster to end your playoff drought. I mean, they had to do this. They did a good job. I still, the Mariners fans already just, I think they do like me because I've admitted how wrong I was,

but they still think I hate them for no reason at all. Well, you hate every fan base. We all know that, James. Mariners fans, be honest in this chat. There's a lot of them in here right now. Do you have what it takes to beat the Astros? Who you, about five of your last eight games, or you've played them five times your last eight games and lost all five to them.

But like, if you look at yourself in the mirror is, can Castillo take you over that hump? I guess my counter would be, Trev. Yankees fans are greedy assholes. We only care about World Series. we don't care about CS exits or DS exits. Astros fans probably the same way at this point because they've made the CS in the World Series seven out of the last five years, basically.

So Mariners fans, like, you said no one's seen them in the playoffs. And they got Castillo for two years. And they have Marco locked up and Ray locked up and all this team locked up. So I wouldn't put the basis for success as beating the Astros this year. I would just say like it's a different, I'm not, it's a different thing. Like officially open the window is the goal because you've, you've built the team exactly how like a GM class would tell you to get a ton of prospects, trade them for guys that you have for a bunch of years, spend big money on some guys like the former Sy Young winner

and then make trades and then call up more rookies and all that. but like, no, I don't think they're going to beat the Astros. They can. It's baseball, but I still think the Astros are much better, more complete team this season. But again, this is just like hopefully opening the window and then next year making the playoffs isn't the big celebration. It's going deep enough to playoffs. It's not the trailer. It's the movie.

Hey, let me tell you. Don't say shit like that, though. Just don't. Hey. Oh, what Vlad said that. Hey. No, I know. I'm saying Mariners players.

Like, don't. Don't go over your skis. Let me tell you something about Seattle. Seattle is hot in the streets right now in the baseball world. We got playoffs coming there. It is going to be electric. When Seattle is packed. When Seattle is packed and they're good.

I mean, this city gets behind this team. Then we got the freaking All-Star game there next year. which we'll be at. Do we have a promo code yet? We'll have one soon probably. And third, the World Series is going to be in Seattle next year. Market,

2023, Seattle, Marrish. Oh, God, you're such a suckass. The Mariners fans don't accept that apology yet. Make him apologize to you at the All-Star game.

Walk up to him and say, Trevor Plouf, apologize to me. No, Jim, I love the way you phrased that, man, because let's go back to even

2019, 2020 when we're starting to do talking baseball and building this up. The 2020 season, they were kind of fun. My goal was for them in like a year and a half to be the fun offseason team, like what they were trying to build for. Last year they went full zombie mode at the end. They just refused to die. They ended up winning 90 games last year.

And they were, they stayed in it that, yes, like if you asked Mariners fans, you know, they went 68 and 90. in 2019. The next year is the pandemic year. They're 27 and 33. If you told Mariners fans after that 2020 season that in 2022, you guys are going to be, you know, trading assets at the deadline to get the best available starting pitcher most likely.

Everyone signs up for that. And yeah, if, if Noel V. Marte, the 20-year-old in four years is a stud for the Reds, guess what? it doesn't matter for the next two seasons when you guys have a really good chance to go for it and maybe even longer than that. How do you pronounce his name? Noelvie? Yeah, just straight up noelvie. Easy.

Cool. The Mariners signed Julio Rodriguez for $1.75 million as a 16-year-old in July of 2017. It's a good signing IMO. You guys did a good job. Yeah. That's the one thing I didn't predict was Julio Rodriguez becoming a top five MVP player at the age of 20 years old.

Was he 21? 20? I don't know. 21. Damn, man. I'm excited. I mean, Seattle's obviously fired up. You're a Mariners fan.

You've got to be feeling good. You've been feeling good for about a month and a half now. this has got to be not the cherry on top because that ain't come yet but you're eating right now nice meal it goes now

Montes becomes the guy Kentana if you want a rental what if you want that year and a half Montes becomes the guy like everyone's like Yankees are pivoting to him I wonder if the Rangers pivot to him because that's a little different I think Castillo's a notch better than Montas

and at least I guess I don't I would have to do some research I don't want I don't know if that's wrong in my it's like basic thought process he is. So I wonder if the Rangers... It's a discussion. Yeah, I wonder if the Rangers

shot fired, but... Yeah, I didn't mean it to be shots fired. I wonder if the Rangers also are in on that. Or like, it was just Castillo was like, nah, he was the guy that we would do it for. But we should see the pitching market go, go pretty bonkers now. Because there's not that many starters.

Is Rodon going to be available? Like, what are the Giants doing? We know, like, they can offer them the qualifying offer at the end of this year. So do they value that more than what he can bring back in a trade package? Are they even going to trade anybody? Are they going to be adding? Are they subtracting?

Because I look at this guy as like an absolute difference maker too. And I know like. Your borderline teams. Your borderline teams just got a lot more interesting. I mean, seeing this trade package, if you've got a Rodon or you've got an Avaldi, you know, those phone calls might have just got a little juicier. And I, you know, we're, we're always rooting for chaos at the deadline that I hope so, man, especially the giants. Like it feels so much worse than last year. Like, I don't know.

Sindegarde, he's another name that he's gotten more attention recently, but he probably gets dealt. Otherwise, that is very odd. Twins. Yeah, he looks like a twins guy, doesn't he? I mean, probably pitch right to like a 4.4.20 ERA. Yankees keep popping up to my head. Do you have to cut his hair if he goes to the Yankees? They don't allow long hair.

Yeah, you can skirt it. Like, call it had longish hair. You can, like, get it like, you know, shoulder length or whatever. But I don't know. With how much trouble Yankees have had in the last couple years, guys who, like, admit they don't like playing in New York and the scrutiny that comes with it, Cigard played in New York.

So it's just like that's something like and he and he and he's a perfect guy like he can become your two maybe, but he can also be your go to the bullpen in the postseason because he's a rental and he can do other roles. He'd come out just throw 100 miles per hour for an inning in the postseason. So that's a that's a guy. For some reason I've been thinking the Yankees or Dodgers or a playoff team that isn't desperate. That has that wiggle room like, yeah, we could use it too. But also we can use you as like a Swiss Army knife in the in the,

postseason, which a lot of teams employ now, come playoff time. So for me, Senegal became kind of really interesting where he goes because of that versatility that I think he brings, depending on how he looks. Like over Kentana, I don't think you're going to like, I think Kintana is like, he's going to stabilize your August and September and then maybe be like a four in the postseason. Kentana, the Blue Jays confirmed. And I don't think he's coming out of the pen in the, in the postseason unless it's like to just like, you know, give the rest of the bullpen a breather in a losing effort,

where Cindergarde is a rental that I think could be your sixth, seventh inning guy or your second starter. Like it's a wide range. Maybe the other guy to boost that a little bit is also Cindergards owed a little bit of money. I mean, Cindergards got to be owed what, seven mill, something like that. No, it's like eight, eight to nine. Yeah, it's a lot of money.

So, I mean, some teams, you know, that's when you mentioned Dodgers or Yankees, that doesn't make them flinch as much as some of the other teams. So you wonder if that factors into. Yeah. Blake Yane and Chats, I confuse the Rangers direction for the franchise. Pretty simple, man. Next year, they want Martin Perez, lighter, Kumar, and they want to Castillo. It's like they're four.

They're going to go after a pitcher in the post in the offseason. I can I never understand the Rangers you know I've never have bro just never They drafted their starters they they've got long term no that's the hell works though Did you think lighter and freaking Kumar are going to come up and just like be like the your three and four anchors? There's no fucking way dude like well well they're that's what they're envisioning yeah they got I know you can hope for that but dude I I agree well who said that I don't know what the rangers are thinking either dude I have I know what they're thinking. I have I know what they're thinking. It's just not a, it's not a foolproof plan, you know. Like a pipe dream. Is that what the term is?

No, I think if you get Castillo and I would guess they spend big on pitchers this, this offseason. I have a thought. If you're the Reds and you have two pitchers that you're going to trade, Molly Castillo, do you think they wanted to go in that order, like get Castillo off? We know he's going to get a substantial package back. We did it. Boom. And that now brings Molly up the ladder a little bit. So you're going to get more. Is there like a sequencing to this thing? We're like, hey, let's get rid of the best one.

And that improves our other guys and get a better package for him as well. Is it a timing thing you think for that? Yeah, man. Maybe. Maybe. Yeah, maybe. There's a lot of things. Maybe they wanted, maybe the Mariners wanted to make a big push before he came to the Bronx. Because you know that Ben and Tenney just got traded right before their series, which made it, made it easier. and the reds are on their way to New York. I've seen a lot of trades when GMs are in the same city. Getting your butt kicked by the Astros, like I mentioned,

had to have led to Po to the step on the accelerator a little bit. Maybe he threw in the extra prospect or whatever. Like you're seeing what you're up against, and I know it's not just for this year. I understand that. But the Astros ain't going anywhere next year either. So like, I really believe that happens. GM's like, dude, we are just, we need.

something. It's like when you're a golfer and you're like when Jake, he can't break 90 yet. You need to get over that hump. Something needs to happen, dude. Like Depoto was like, we need to get over this hump a little bit. That's the other little Italian. I'm fine with I'm under 90. That's that's Casano. Nikki Casks. He, FaceTime yesterday. For what? You can talk shit? I don't want to answer. Yeah, I like that. I mean, the Yass announced Benintendi. Uh-oh. Benintendi. right after a swept by the Mets.

Not a move. Ken Rosenthal did follow up on his Rangers thing. I think 30 seconds go tweeting. After further checking, this tweet overstated where the Rangers were on Castillo. They were in, but their offer not in the neighborhood of the Mariners or any of the other teams mentioned. They were talking about it.

Shout out Ken for being thorough, but we didn't need that tweet, Ken. Yeah, just let them lie out there. Them being in at all. There's a back half saying that they're on, but they seem to be in the same thing where they don't expect to get him but they've called

them. That's like the best. I think that's the update in that tweet, but whatever. You scare me with the passing button, bro. If we didn't just do the Rangers discussion, I wouldn't have done it but we were just talking about them. That was more triceratops. Yeah. Well, it was Ken. We trust him,

but we like Ken. It's not a non-up date. People are confused. I don't think the Rangers are, like I'm not saying they're going to be good next year. Chat's like, I'm just saying I understand that their plan. Also all offseason we talked about how they got Simeon and Seeger on these long deals because they're ready to in the next two or three years be part of the picture. They were not, this year was never the plan.

I see. We can't talk about the Rangers this much. You're going to get me all fired up. you get me all fired up change your uniforms I hate your uniforms I hate them I never looked worse in a uniform hmm

I'm what else you got guys Trevor ploof oh no who's next Yankees what the hell you doing is so like Otani's not going to get traded right I think we're all agreed

on that not this yes it would be the biggest shock in a long time yeah I don't think of a tonne is getting traded. Who's next is whatever team gets swept next. Now, we're actually, we're too close to that. So I mean, Montas, he's got to go.

Yeah. It's the A's. It's got to be Montas. It's Montes. And also, they have a blueprint for a package now. Like, a little less than that because you're the A's. No one cares about you. Wait, time out.

Uh-oh. Tyler Molly, who could all. also be traded. His Instagram handle is Malibu's most wanted. But with his last name as Malibu, Malibu.

I mean, Annie's teammates with Moose? What's going on? Is there a Malibu fight? Okay. So Molly and Moose to the Dodgers. Doing it, Bigio. Okay. That's so good. Oh, man. Where are we at? What are we doing here?

Saturday morning. I love it. it. I love it, guys. This is working hard. You got to go help finish setting up my sip and see. Okay. Have fun. I will. It's hot. It's too hot.

We'll be back on the sticks if another trade goes down, right? Like, we're just on call. Another trade's going to go down today. 100%. It's not between 12 and 4. No, my see if it's emergency. My party starts at 4, actually. So not between four and 9. Yeah. I told Passing and Curry not

12 to 4, dude. I know. I, dude, I found out yesterday and it was maybe the worst question I could have possibly asked the party that we're throwing at our house and been planning for three months. What times it started again? So, I'm sure Katie loved that one. The follow up. I thought it was noon. It was not. People weren't happy. People didn't like that. I didn't like that. No. All right. Let's all say where Montas is going on three, and then we'll end the show, okay? One, two, three, Dodgers. Raiders.

Raiders. Six-ups.