Talkin' Baseball (MLB Podcast) - Max Scherzer Suspended, Tatis is Back, MadBum DFA'd | 652

Episode Date: April 21, 2023

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In person at my house This is where I sleep This is where I sleep at the warehouse beavers I'm having a pretty decent hair day and I showed I like showered early this morning Got here early can you just like get me in my there we go Okay You did that one Thieves, you don't need to get my hair out shot.

I'm good. I'm so happy to be here in person. I love recording the episodes with you guys. It just makes it so much more fun for me. I'm not by myself in Magnum Condum Studio. Right. What you know sometimes is nice, but I want to give a cheers. Can we do that?

We can touch. We've got a lot to talk about today. How are you feeling? I'm a little low energy. If you don't know, I'm host. I'm host. We're host. We're hosting a ball and play cricket-type blitzball tournament this weekend.

Came back, orientation last night, talking yanks, come back to the hotel lobby. The cricket mates are yucking it up down there. I already see one dude down on the warehouse floor. They're into it. It's going to be their Sam phrased it best, and she said, I think we're going to have a bunch of Peter Moylands running around. So it might get scary. It might get scary.

I just had that image in my head. Like, I'm literally several Peter Moylands running around. They're all a little crazy. Trev. Sweaty, I feel like. I don't know. We have a ton of big topics. And we've talked to the people about talking baseball,

and we've been listening. And thank you guys. Keep chiming in and helping out because we want to make this, keep this the best baseball show in the world. Keep this the best baseball show. Just relax. We don't need to say that anymore. I'm running hot.

We don't say that anymore. That, no, there's so many big topics this week that your team might not get a lot of them. Just being honest with you. But actually, a lot of teams are going to be talked about because there's five massive topics. And maybe some awards at the end, sneak you in. Spoiler alert awards. If you haven't seen Top Gun Maverick, I don't want to turn it off when you get to my award, okay? We will label the spot.

And if you haven't seen Top Gun Maverick, what are you doing? Dude, to great point. Sorry, BBD. That's fine. I agree. What am I doing? I'll tell you what. When you get there, you'll like it.

I'm watching John Wick movies. Do you want to start boogieing? I would love for you to boogie right in front of me. Maybe we'll do this, too. I think we start with National League Baseball, because there are so many National League stories Trev, your guy

Scherzer Did you hear about this one? I did. I have a lot of thoughts. Okay. I'm curious about your thoughts on it. Yeah, let me... Let's buggy. You're getting...

You want it up on the big screen? No, I don't need that. Are you sure? Because I have it right here. I just need to get to the top of the National League. Mets Dodgers... Arizona Diamondbacks for St. Louis Cardinals. The first series.

That's right. Clarity pitched in it. Future. your NLCS matchup. All right. I'm there. Let's booge. Oh!

In the National League, like Trevor said, the St. Louis Cardinals took on the Arizona Diamondbacks. What's going on right now? That was a little. I had my speak to talk on, and it was writing everywhere in our document. I just turned it off. D-backs, take two out of three. Trev, start thinking about talking about them.

Because the kids are playing for rings in the desert. Merrill Kelly, by the way, he can pitch a little bit. The only game, my D-Backs lost. They told that starting pitcher, you're gone, Pop. Mad Bum, cut by the snakes. They still got to pay him a chunk-o money. Cardinals take that last game. But D-Bax fans, D-Bas-Mans.

D-Based-Termason gets the start, not his best performance. These guys can hit Christian Wall. Evan Longoria. Yes. Trev. Hot hitters. Yes. The San Francisco Giants went to Miami.

Welcome to Miami. And the Marlins took two out of three. Trev. I've been spiritually riding off the Marlins of this lost franchise above 500. We're having some good times. They took the first two games. Giants salvage it on the last game in 11 innings. Logan Webb and his new extension.

He has a nice. outing, but it's not enough. The Marlins take that game, uh, and good fortitude, Trev. Mm-hmm. In that second game to win for to do, Skip Schumacher. The boys are bopping in Miami a little bit. Sure. Hey, didn't John Jay tell us that? John Jay tried to let us know. Pepe are guys. Trev. The Dodgers and the Mets. I think you said this is an NLCS preview. And the Mets, they go into town and they take two out of three. How about, we're going to talk about this a lot.

Shurs are rejected in the last game. I don't know if you saw this. Rosen. Or was it? He swears on his life. Not his life. It was four of them. That's a lot.

Shout out Matthew Stafford's friend, Clayton Kirchard. Clayton Kirschaw, man. Scottie Shephler's fan. There was a lot of good tweets about age with Clayton Kershaw and Madbomb. And it's like, hey, you know, just because you lose your fastball, you could still, you can still pitch. Dodgers, we get nervous at all? I don't think so. I don't think so.

James Outman starting that rookie of the year campaign in a big way. But the Mets win. Brandon Nimmo, big game. The Colorado Rockies get swept by the Pittsburgh Pirates. I said some teams won't get discussed a lot. You might get some good pirates talking this. Because they put up two touchdown games. 14 in the first, 14 in the second.

his touchdown? Cutch has the boys popping. You got it. I'm a cricket guy now. And you know your guy, Johann Oviedo. I do. With a nice pitching performance. Filthy.

Jack Swinsky, can't stop Homer. Rodolfo Castro goes yard in a big boy way. The Pirates are winning games, winning series. Imagine having bought some stock in them. The Braves take two out of three versus Padres. Braves Padres. Mets Dodgers. A couple big boys series in the NL.

The Braves take two out of three. Because Trev, they can pitch. They can pitch. Padres only score two runs in the three games. Luckily, that one run in the final game was enough. Nick Martinez, drop it on the table. Juan Soto. But Bravo. Max Fried comes back.

Five shuddy. Spencer Strider locks them down. Hey, and guess what? San Diego, you care a little bit, but the bad man is back. Fernando Tatez Jr. came back last night. And Trev, that's what happened in the National League. I love watching you do this in person. How I was, I don't get internally scared a lot.

Okay. When the talk to text was going in the sheet, I was actually scared because I was like, if I don't know how to turn this off, and you're just going to be chasing. We're in a certain level of hell. It was kind of cool. It's like one of those Instagram reels where it has like closed captioning.

And I was like, this is happening in real time. It's one of a run. I'm seeing this in real life. People wonder, what do you do for a job, A-Rod? We just stop with the A-Rod's stuff this early before. We know what he used to do for a job, all right? The National League. The Atlanta Braves, how's your hot start?

14 and 5. The Mets are 13 and 7. The Marlins, 10 and 9. The Phillies, 8 and 12. Nats are 5 and 13. The Milwaukee Brewers and the Pittsburgh Pirates are atop your NL Central. with the Cubs 11 and 7, St. Louis, 8 and 11. Cardinals?

Negative run differential? The Reds, 7 and 12. The D-back's still on top of that N.L. West, 11 and 9. Dodgers are 10 and 10. San Diego is 10 and 11. The Giants are 6 and 12. Man, there was a lot of tough Giants conversations going on the Internet this week. And the Rockies are 6 and 14.

So, Trevor, I think we got to go for the biggest itch to scratch. I think it starts with Scherzer. He's, if you have no idea, he's getting checked coming off the mound. Phil Cousy, the umpire involved, is the only umpire to eject, I think all three pitchers that have been kicked out of a game live for sticky stuff. Is that true? I keep seeing that, like, it seems to me like that can't be true. It's so ridiculous.

I certainly don't remember any other ones. Check out the breakdown by our guy, the John. boy. And Trev, this hits on a bunch of different levels. Max Scherzer is like an inner ring hall of famer, like inner circle. Like if you're making a starting five of, you know, all-time pitchers, he's got a real good argument.

Whoa. I guess I never really thought about that. Treve, that's what. Top five all time? He's got three sides in an MVP. The thing of pitchers, though, I feel like is. Let's not turn this on pitchers. No, I'm not going to, I'm not going to insult them.

Right. Not yet at least. The generations are so different with the numbers. Right. Like, you know, Bert Blylevin throwing 350 innings a year. Like, that doesn't happen anymore. That's true. But you look at that and you're like, well, obviously, that's much more impressive

than what these guys do now. Right. But the game is so different. So I feel like it's always hard for me to stack up pitchers against each other, especially when you're going to, like, different eras. I guess. Three size has a ring. One, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, top five,

Syung finishes. I don't even know. Like, if you ask me, who were the top five pitchers of all time? I'd be like, I don't know. My brain would give me a bunch of people.

I would say like Pedro Martinez. There's 20 guys on that top five list. I think Pedro's in there. You know, Randy Johnson. Sandy Kofx. Kofa. Like, you know,

Bob Gibson. Like that you're right. And BPD said what I now say with pitchers. Like, it's your flavor of ice cream. Like, who do you want? Because you can, you can find it. I mean,

like, holiday yet i guess having three si youngs put you in pretty rare air that's maddox oh yeah obviously okay man yeah so either way shirzer um he makes quite a scene about it um because this in a way is something that can stick with you stick a little irony Trevor what do you have difficulty right now because i want to look at you right but then here's the camera your hair looks good hair looks good My hair looks good. I look pale. This is an interesting situation for me because Scherzer, you know, as we're a labor pod here,

we have been in the past at least. He is one of, you know, MLPA's top dogs. And, you know, when all this stuff was going on, you know, he's been pretty vocal about these issues. And then now we have our guy who I think has one of the cleanest images. Right. in baseball. Like he's got a little bit of, you know, that dog in him and he's a little scary, but like his overall images, pretty squeaky-clee.

Like he's done it the right way. And this, in my opinion, unfairly, puts like, you know, a little bit of villain into him. Like, he's suspended for 10 games. He's not appealing this. When people go back and look, they're going to see that Max Schererer once got suspended for 10 games for putting sticky stuff on his hand. and then now like that that sticks with you and I can't believe I just did that same pun. Yeah, I guess we didn't think about that.

I didn't mean to do that. I didn't either, man. It's just, but okay, so. It's a word that works. I've given this take before, but I think it bears repeating. Hitters don't care about Rawsin. We don't care if the guy's hand is sticky. What we care about, and I think what most people care about is if it's performance enhancing.

If the spin is increasing and making your pitches do something, something that they shouldn't be able to do. I don't think that's the case here. And I know there's been some talk about excessive rosen on his hands, and these umpires have this training. Which would love to see that. Golly. I kind of want to get the informational package on that and then us do it.

When Dale Scott was out, me and him did some test trials of... It's unbelievable. Where you can hide sticky stuff went well. So I think that's kind of where I land here is I don't think he was doing anything performance enhancing. Now, by the letter of the law, was it excessive enough for Phil Cousy to throw him out? Apparently it was. How do you label excessive? That's where I'm at.

I think he's being unfairly suspended and labeled now as, you know, some people are going to label him as a cheater. And I don't like that, dude, because you know I'm against pitchers. Right. You hate cheating, too. I hate cheating and I hate starting pitchers for the most part. This is me defending Max Scherzer big time. I think it's bullshit that he's suspended. If there's no data to back up that he was using something to enhance his performance,

then he didn't do anything wrong. Treve, I guess that's... You're giving him a substance on the fucking field. Right. And then you're saying, don't use it. There's something here that's so disappointing. like it's it's 2023 a the word excessive it's like what what does that mean because again that's not a unit of measurement and then b if it's if it's if it is rosin and sweat which max shurser is very

much on the record being like you know you can get that before this he was like you can get that stuff so sticky like this is all you need um and that's what he was so adamant and passionate about um so as we've talked about one when it came to the balls we wondered if they should like regulate them and they have a certain amount of tact on them that you get to use or something like that. Rosen, which has been around the game forever. Now we've had controversy because we've had guys using the rosin bag in their dugout, which not against the rules instead of the rosin bag in the down. I don't like that.

I don't like that. It feels a little weird, right? Like it's almost why do we have to do that? Like if the pitcher wants some rosin, hey, do it within the rules of the pitch clock. Like if you're really worried about the speed. I mean, dude, getting rosin takes less than a second. I think I agree with you. That's not give pitchers that excuse,

as much as I'm trying to be on their side right now. I guess the part that I come back to, and again, sometimes I'm not the most logical cap, but like how are we not, this training they got, Rosen training. Go find Rosen on a pitcher. If you think a pitcher is cheating

and they have a substance on their hand, how can we not like take a little bit, put it in a little vial, and guess what? If it comes back and it's rosin sunscreen. When are we doing that? During the game? Dude, we're kicking out an inner circle Hall of Famer from a game

that you just said, Trev, this is going to be labeled with him forever. It'll be a throwaway line for some people when we're talking about it. And hopefully if you're a big baseball fan, you tell the whole story. But if I'm Max Scherzer, would you rather be, you're pissed? Would you rather be ejected and think. probably some of the same thoughts we're thinking, or would you rather have them take a little sample off your hand?

And then it's in God's hands, right? Because if you're being honest and it comes back, and we found out it's just Rosin and Sunscreen, we'd say, figure out the fucking rules. Because that's clearly the problem, because I don't want to label one of the best pitchers ever a cheater if he's not. Because that's a nasty word in this game. It's really bad.

I don't know. I mean, look, there is, I think that's where, we end up getting this like over sticky situation is when you do have sunscreen on and you do sweat and you do have the rosin. Those three things combined get very sticky. But again, from the research that we've done and, you know, people through baseball have done, that hasn't shown a significant increase in spin. Right. Getting better. It has not. So in my mind, that is what we need to do because you can do that in real time. I love your science experiment kit. I love it.

In fact, you maybe should do that in the office with your fucking goggles that you have, okay? But when we have track man and whatever these stadiums have there now with the data, like if we can see a jump like that, then that's when we get mad.

Because I have put sunscreen on because I'm trying to prevent skin cancer. Sure. You play a lot of games outside. That's smart. You can't stop people from wearing sunscreen. You just can't, okay? Rosin's out there to legal substance, and guess what? You're gonna sweat. Yeah. And when you do that, I mean, it is very sticky to the point where, like, it's tough,

even with regular soap to get it off. Sometimes you got to use this tape remover, like, to get, like, so it's going to be sticky. And for a guy like Phil Cousy, who, like, you know, you trained, but, like, you don't really know what the fuck you're doing. That could, that could lend itself to being very suspicious. Well, that's, sunscreen and the rosin and the sweat. But again, we don't care if the pitchers have tack as long as it's not performance enhancing tack. And Trev, it's where does the story go over time that with baseball people, we'll laugh in 20 years. I'd be so fucking pissed if I was Max Scherzer. We'll laugh and we'll say, yeah, remember, only Phil Cousie gave him out.

And it was absolutely just too much rosin. And Max Scher has this squeaky clean resume. I do want to say this. And I have probably too much devil's advocate in me. and I think this will start to segue us to our next topic. Max Scherzer, you know, squeaky, squeaky clean, 38-year-old white guy, legend of the game. And we think we have the full story, right?

We think it's, you know, we think it's just rosin and sweat. We believe his word. When a young guy like Fernando Tatis Jr. uses the ringworm stuff and he says it's an accident, we instantly say, like, you're fucking lying. Like, you're a kid. And I don't know. Like, we've done that conversation a lot, and you have wherever you already stand on that topic.

Some of you are excited to go to a game and yell cheater at Fernando Tantis. Some of you are like, oh, yeah, he was a young, dumb kid, and he either made a mistake or he lied about making a mistake. Before we fully segue to the Tatee thing, I think people would be, I was surprised to hear he was dropping the appeal shurser. So, and I feel like comments. That changes your opinion? I feel like people will want the full context. That's what the comments will be about here. He said that he's dropping it because he thought it was going to be heard by a neutral arbiter,

and it's not. It's being heard by an assistant to the commissioner. So that's what he says is the reason for the drop. Just more context around. I think they've talked about it internally. And, you know, there was a memo apparently sent out in spring training talking about their could be fines and suspensions for excessive use of rossin. Right.

What the fuck is excessive use? Is it three, three, what is this called? It can be whatever you want. You know, you get the rosen bag here. Three is too many.

It's like that is a key and peel. Three things of it. Key and peel sketch for that he does one hump. That's okay. Two humps is like borderline, but three humps is out. We're doing the same thing with rosen here. You want my,

if I was Max Scherzer, guess what? I drop it too. Like what's the point? You know you're going up against NLB's officials and they're going to say, look, there was an excessive about a Rossin and that's what the empire is determined.

What else are they going to say? They didn't do the science experiment on him, so they can't go to there. And he just wants to get this thing over with. I think it's a lose-lose situation for Max Scherzer. You want my conspiracy theory of conspiracy theories? You fucking know it. I'm not normally this guy, right?

But who was one of the biggest people leading the players union. Yeah. Yeah. Well, yes. You think... No, I'm not going there. I'm not going there.

I'm not going to say it, if you can put together the clues, you're implying. There's one umpire that's done it. Wow. And then Max Scherzer has to come up against who's the lawyer, the MLB commissioner's assistant.

I don't know, man. Hey, if you want a daydream about some conspiracy stuff there, you can. I'm not saying that's what happened. I want to go back to your Tatis thing. Okay. Why don't you segue us into it?

Because I think we're heading there. Are we going to go straight into Tatis? Do you have any other Sherser? Like what else are we missing from the Sherser topic, I guess? Suspended for 10 fucking games, dude. Yeah. And they already are low on pitching. Cookies out.

Burlander's not back yet. Somebody else just went out too. Hey, it's, I don't know, man. The whole. Kintana's out. We're like, we're running low. on pitchers. If we're being honest.

Tommy Hunter's back, though. He's always back. He's back. Where's, is Cole Hamill's around? Where's his agent? Yeah, man. No, the whole thing, it's crazy that everyone's kind of lean and churser,

and at the same time, it's not crazy at all, because it kind of makes sense. So we will see. So where do you want to go with Nando? He's back. He's back. He's back. We have a, speaking of he's back.

He's risen. You know, Brian just gave us the Johnboy. McDonald's drive-thru window. By the way, I think Cole Hamels is on a minor league deal with the Padres. Is Cole Hamill's pitching in the minor leagues right now? I don't know if he's pitching in the minor leagues. His Wikipedia says February 16th, 2020, signed a minor league deal with the Padres.

I love that for him. If he's thrown a minor league game, we need to celebrate Cole Hamels. He's like, you guys are going to play in my city, I'm going to tax you a million dollars for a bullpen. Let's go to his teammate Fernando Tatis, who you... Well, you know, makes his triumphant debut. I guess we can talk about it, 0 for 5.

I don't see any... After a massive... You can call that a minor league rehab stint? It's not a rehab stint. After playing in some minor league games, it's seven homers and eight games, which is ridiculous. The show's different, though.

Shows different. I don't really want to talk about results because he's going to be fine. I think he's going to be fine. I think he's going to be, he's electric, dude. Back in the lead off spot, pretty cool. I don't really know where to go. I wanted to kind of talk about your Scher thing,

and do we believe Tate's? I'm like on the side of I do. I believe that he just fucked up. I don't know why I believe that. That's just my gut instinct. But you're right, dude. We believe Scher, but we're kind of like, eh, you ringworm things a little weird.

That's something I need to digest a little before I get into it, I think. That's a freaking massive topic. It's heavy. That's a deep dive. That's like a gummy talk maybe later tonight. That's a, yeah, that was a 420 topic. He got a little bit of booze. They were in Arizona last night and got some booze,

but then the Padres fans kind of took over and got some cheers. I think for a struggling Padres offense, like this is exactly what they need. And Juan Soto, I hope, is going to be a big benefactor of him, going back in the lineup. Didn't happen necessarily last night for either of those guys. I think they went a combined 0 for 9. I think so I had a walk. But I'm happy to see him back.

I don't know, man. Like, you know how I feel about PED dudes and all of that. I've made my stance very clear on that. It bothers me. It bothers most guys. But I'm happy to see him back. I just think he's so freaking talented that I'm not saying I give him a pass or anything like that, but I just want to see him play ball.

It's that good. Yeah, and I think I think he's going to go. I mean, there's no take there, right? It's like, he's... He also served his suspension. This is the first, he hasn't played since 2021, dude. I didn't even, like, register that in my mind.

He didn't play at all in the big leagues last year. It's crazy. Like, not one fucking abat. After seeing what he did in the minor leagues, how could you not believe that he is going to be on an FU tour that's going to be impressive? and they slot them right back on the top of the lineup. You're right with Soto.

Will that be, you know, San Diegoans? You know, they haven't even seen Full Soto yet. Like he's having a nice start to the year. Bogarts has been the one. Juan Soto's not having a nice start to the year. Like, we got to start, we got to stop sugar-coding this. Like, he's been bad with the Padres. I love Juan Soto.

He has not been himself since he's been over there. And I don't really know the reason. I don't think there is really like a one glaring thing that's going on. And just the results have not been there. I mean, look at his stats in San Diego, man. It's true. 778 OPS is like a good year for me. Okay?

Juan Soto ain't me. Juan Soto's like 10 times the player I am, dude. Like before that, look at the OPSs, man. Yeah. 923, 949.1.999. I mean, like, you can't. I guess here's what I'll say. In those seasons, you know, 21 and 22,

where he had a 999 OPS, 853 OPS, which, again, that was the split year, and you expect more from Soto. He led the league in walks. He's doing that again. He's hitting 183, which again, that's shocking for Juan Soto, career 283 hitter, no shift this year. And again, it's early, you know, one, you have one four-hit day. It's still.

The guy hasn't slugged over 400 since he's been in San Diego. That's crazy. He's still getting the walks, which is a good sign. And maybe with Tatis and Bogarts is going, and, you know, it's, you're right. They haven't seen what we think is the proper dose of Onsoto. And if it keeps rolling to like, hey, baseball is a tough sport. We know this. But if that keeps rolling to like the All-Star break, people are going to be like, what's going on?

And last year, obviously, it was better with the Nats within the Padre Sats that we're referencing. But also, like, I mean, the batting average there. I know batting averages and everything. It's way lower than what we ever saw from him before last year. He's got to go, right? He's got to go. I mean, I'm not really sure. Like I said, like, usually there's something that's glaring if you're having that much difficulty.

Like, if you dropped off that much, like, I don't think there was an injury that's caused anything like that. His savant, I think, is the same. We're just not getting the results. What do you, I want to go out to Tate's because I think that's the whole point of this. are you going to be a guy that once he goes off and hits homers and his fucking electric on the field like, you know, he can't be? Are we just going to forget about all this? Is he going to get the Nelson Cruz treatment? Or are we going to be talking about this nonstop because it's kind of like a bigger, like it wasn't just PEDs with him either.

It was the silly stuff off the field, you know, right, you know, getting hurt. Playing soccer. On a motorcycle. Yeah. Yeah, like so do we, is it just going to be a race once he comes back and is playing well? Or is this something that you think is going to follow him? I think it's going to be hot for now and then he'll dictate the rest. If he plays really good baseball, that'll figure it out.

That's like that's where Nelson Cruz kind of honestly landed, right? Like he's, you know, when we talk about Nelson Cruz now, we talk about him as like one of the most respected. Yeah, we do. Sneeze, I'm okay. that yeah and but again that's almost that's rude to Nelson Cruz and Tatis because Nelson Cruz has had you know an amazing baseball life so if Tatis goes on and does that which we we have expectations for him that like he can and he should then yeah I think you can move on from that but yeah if he's um if he's injury prone or if his performance were to tick down

what's everyone going to say forever? Obviously, yeah. So, like, and you've got to earn it back. And baseball is a really tough sport. That, you know, if you have one kind of weird injury in your career, it can change who you are as a player that what Tatis does on the field will dictate how we talk and think about them. Guess Nelson Cruz's career home run total.

I mean, $4.69. That's really close. Yeah. But Price is right. You're fucking out. out 461 I did the 69 Is that for beavers?

You know Is there anything else about Tottis? Like, I don't know And it's good he's back Like he's one of the He's arguably the best player baseball Well, Shohay I guess is fully

Shoah's fully taken over Yeah And then there's On the short list of guys For two through five I think San Diego's hoping He kind of energizes things And gives them a spark

I think that's what they're hoping. This is... We have to let it play out, I think. You know, we got one game of him. It's hard to make, you know, your take off of one game, especially this early in the season. What's up? I know, you know, coming off of 420

and we're in the room together, high testosterone. Yeah, big time. You know, that... The Tati Shurzer thing, one guy seems... Well, seems like he just got the bat-up on the bad... bad day and I am a conspiracy theory. I don't know.

It's just so funny how how that was handled at the time, which for Tatis was as bad as you can handle it, it felt like that if it wasn't a fib or a lie, that it's you know, you kind of turn your head. There's such different situations.

They're very different. They're so different. I guess the fact that someone like me can even try to compare them could be potentially super fucked up to Max Scherzer, who might have had a legal limit of a legal substance on his hand. Get the quote up when there's a quote where they said Major League Baseball came out and said it was excessive and it wasn't and they determined it was more than just sweat and

rosin. Can we get that quote up? Because that's crazy. That's a pretty important detail, right? That's, that goes back to my science test. Max Scherzer swore on his children. Yeah.

Okay. That's a big thing. For a parent, holy. Pretty noble guy, too. Do we have the quote? Because that's, I mean, how do they know, first of all, without the science kit? I didn't see no kit.

Okay. I guess we got to move on. I don't know, man. This is a very difficult situation. Yeah. Yeah. Now what, how about this? If either of them go out and win the World Series this year,

a lot of, none of that will matter. I think it does. What are you talking about? I think this is, like, Beck Scherzer is thinking about, Legacy, bro. Hopefully this, I don't know. I don't know.

I don't know how to feel about it. We ended up in a weird spot. We did end up in a weird spot. I'm trying to feel like compassion, but I'm also upset. Well, you want to... I'm processing feelings in real time for the people right now, and I think they can tell I'm a little confused as to how to feel.

Including Bolthar. Well, if you want to feel some more weird kind of unique feelings, uh, Madbumb gets... We're just going to go straight into that, too? What are all these NL topics are insane? Why don't you, let's do the, let's boogie AL and go back to Mabum. I need a break.

I need a break. My head's spinning right now. You know what, Trev, I, uh, I respect that. Yeah, let's, let's give the people some baseball. Let's wash our mouths clean a little bit and find out what happened in your American League. And actually, it's this episode and this show is sponsored by Better Health, Better Help, getting to know yourself every day.

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HELP.com slash talking baseball. That's boogie. We are starting with Chris Roses, Cleveland Guardians, taking on the Detroit Tigers. Little rain out. They gave the D didn't they? Double, oh, double header D-day.

The Tigers, they win both of them. How's your walk-up? I lost a bet on those tigers, and good for them. A little Carrie Carpenter walkoff. Are you kidding me? A big defensive play from Matt Veerling to hold your guard dogs. You like that? I did.

You came over from those Phillies. Is that why they're struggling? No maton and Veerling? Calquantrol with a nice start on the final day to get the lads a win. Hey, Detroit, go get it, baby. Happy for you. The Texas Rangers. Oh.

my goodness. Sweep the Kansas City Royals. Is it getting real in Arlington? 4-0 starts off on a scary note. DeGrom comes out of the game. They say it's a wrist. He's going to make his next start. So that's good news.

Nate Doggivaldi, Martine Perez. Hey man, you start saying some of these names and if the winds start coming in, by the way, they put up 12 spots in games two. And three. And three. That's a thick neck, dude.

Dude, Jonah Haim, Travis Jankowski. Oh, no. You might know some of the other guys, too. Trab, you might know the Yankees don't lose. They are 10-0 on potential game-losing series. I have some losses in the column. I don't know. I'd have to double-check that.

They lose game one to the Halos Clark Schmidt, having a tough time. But Aaron Judge in that middle game, robs Shohei and then hits a homer. He's right. You know, that does something to me. And then the Yankees roll them in that last game. Sandoval, a couple Southpaws that are friendly with John Boy Media.

Nester, Yanks put up a big five spot in the first, and that's it. Yankees win another series. We're kind of starting to believe some things. Boston Red Sox, oh, my God, against your twins, Trev. And the Red Sox, take two out of three. Sunny Gray, Chris Sale, that put something in my 2018 pelvic thrust. 5-4, 10 innings. That's interesting.

I didn't have that feeling. And then double digits will win you either the next two games as the twins put up 10. Sox put up 11 in that final game. My Ada gets hit with the liner. Karen Duran a big RBI single. Wow, I know a lot of Sox fans. I like watching that guy play. Punted on him.

Athletic guys. Fast. Can he play ball? Can he play baseball? Toronto Blue Jays, Houston Astros. Hello. Hey. You're ALC.

preview? Astros take two out of three. About time, they're about to start going. They take the bread games. That deciding game, 8-1 Berrios Garcia. Berrios did his thing, but Luis Garcia was better. More on him later. Uh-oh. Chris Bassett with another big start. Good. I was feeling bad. Gossman. Matt Chapman's in New York City right now? Am I here too? That's what happened in the Yale. That's Matt Chapman's in New York City. That's what you guys need to know. Okay. We could talk about Matt Chapman, the rest of the episode.

Trevor League standings. Your American League standings. Let me read these. You want to read them? Your race? I got to get down there on the sheet. The Rays are 16. Tampa Bay Rays leading the ALE.

Somebody said they'd have a surprising April. I think it was me. What are they 16 and 13? I put this down too much. I got to get the magnification back up to read this. New York Yankees 12 and 7 Baltimore Orioles 11 and 7 Toronto. Blue Jets.

I think there's no T there. Toronto. Ron Ave. 11 and 8 in Boston is 10 and 10. There's not one team in that ALB is under 500. Wow. Minnesota. They're in first place. Of course there. It's the epicenter of baseball

right now. Coach Trev, science with valleys. Thank you. Employee of the week. Cleveland at 10 and 9. Detroit, 7 and 10, Chicago White Sox. What is you doing, baby, 7 and 12? Kansas City Royals, not very, you know what? Olivia's watching the Crown right now. Okay.

And if you watch that, those royals, sometimes they're just not great people. You think that's what's going on. Kansas City Royals, not doing well right now. I still like the Royals in Kansas City, but the record not good. Texas, the Rangers, leading the AL West. Everyone fucking what? 12 and 6

everybody else is under 500 Houston 9 and 10 LA the Angels 9 and 10 Seattle What is you doing baby I'm not gonna pronounce you dead I'm not gonna do that for you again

8 and 11 And then Oakland Mm A set 3 and 16 for a 158 winning percentage Ouch The reverse raise 16 and 3

and 16 3 and 16 Trevor, interesting spot here because we said we're going to bounce back to Madison Bumgarner, but I guess. Let's talk about Mad Bum. What's wrong with that? Let's talk about Mad Bum,

because he could land on one of these AL teams. Madison Bumgarner designated for assignment by the Arizona Dimebecks is owed $37 million around there for the rest of this year and next year, I believe. I'm going to pose a question to you. And I said this, before. I'll never talk shit about Mad Bum. Right. I mean, I think I probably have a little bit.

An amazing. An amazing career. What are you doing? Do you think Mad Bum puts on another Major League Baseball uniformed game? Because he's going to pass through waivers. No one's picking him up. Right. You know, take on the contract. No one wants that contract.

Like he's going to become a free agent. It's going to be up to him if he wants to play. If he doesn't want to play, he's still going to collect all that money. He can go do what he likes to do. back at his ranch and collect a check. So do you think he's going to pitch again? Trev, I was about to say, I was about to say no. Like, if there's a guy that would be comfortable, not.

It would be the guy that moonlighted as Mason Saunders, the pro bull rider. And, you know, I think he's a roper. Again, look into, look into, if you're one of the new kids, and you like, you only know an Arizona, Madison Bumgarner? That's tough. Go, go, go check out some stuff. Go, go check out a baseball reference.

Go check out some World Series highlights. You know, he's 33, Treves. Madison Bumgarner is he younger? He's younger than me. Or no, I've got him. The fact that me and Madison Bumgarner are near the same age is ridiculous because he's been pitching on the MLB spotlight since he was 19. You've also had, like, a joyful,

young exuberance to you and Madbum has the opposite. A little bit different energy. Trev, starting pitchers can always get an opportunity. We talk about Cole Hamill's regularly on this program. I just put it together and I almost feel bad. I almost feel naughty that I'm like too good at this. I don't want, I just, what's going to happen right now? Madison Bumgarner is going to throw a few innings for your Texas Rangers

and his former manager, Bruce Bochi. I didn't put that together. I talked about this last night with Chris Rose. I hate that I got there. You think Bruce Bochy is going to pick up his... Does he even have a cell phone? Does Mad Bum have? That's what I'm saying.

Oh for two. How, like, carry your pigeon, each other. Fucking wagon wheel at a note. I don't know. Something like that. You think Bruce Bochie's going to... to contact him and say, hey, Hollis, won't you come over here, pitch for his Rangers?

And Maddum's, and be like, okay, Hoss, I'll come pitch. No fucking chance. You still got a couple good innings in that arm? Yep. I did. So I'm sorry. The only spot I got to with Mad Bump pitching again.

I think my take is no. I think he's going to take it to the house. He could. Like literally ride off into the sunset on a fucking horse. The only reason I'll say he pitches again is because he's in pitching shape. And he's like, I've already in my off season, I've built myself up.

It's a good point. Like, do I just ride it out and see? Like, yeah, the Rangers are doing well. Like, I want to be on a competitive team. Although he was on a competitive team. I think so. I just don't see it happening. I like the connection that you made

there between Bochi and Rangers and Texas and all this stuff. If it did happen, it would have to be a Roger Clemens-ish situation. where he's only traveling when he pitches. The problem is the results don't warrant that. Right. And they haven't for some time.

If this guy was still doing it and he was just like a free agent and we're like, is he going to pitch? Because he, you know, that's a different situation. He was designated for a son because it was so bad. His baseball savant page is the opposite of awesome. Yeah. Yeah, it was funny. He's straight up not having a good time.

You know, there's a lot of fan bases that have their pitching coach that they love. because they're, you know, with the technology now, they've tinkered with guys and they've had breakouts. You know, I saw some Yankee fans being like, oh, you know, bring, bring Madbom in, we can fix them. God, I would actually like to see Madbom. I know you would. It would just be like, whoa.

That's almost too much for me, I think. Treve, I guess the thing in my head, which, by the way, I'm going to steal your baseball shape thing, because that's important. Like, you already got yourself ready for the grind. Like Mad Bum's arm is ready to go. And some people might laugh at that. But Trev, he also, he started last year.

Last year. And by the way, the stuff is exactly the same. Seven starts last year to start the season, a 178 ERA. You know, the FIPP didn't line up. They thought it might change. But he still gave them 30 good innings, seven starts, to kick off a season. So when we get into the season,

Trev, every week we run into a bunch more injuries. I mean, the Yankees, if they have a starter get hurt tomorrow, they don't really have anyone to go to that I don't think Mad Bum will play for the Yankees. He literally had a no trade to not go to the Yankees. And I think he... Oh, you don't think he's a city guy? I think he's one of the...

There's horses in this city? I think he genuinely would not shave his beard to play baseball. He wouldn't. But he hasn't always had the beard. He used to be smooth-faced Madison. Well, that's not who he is anymore, Trev. What's the incentive for him to pitch again? That's kind of where I'm at with this.

I don't know if he comes back and he throws, A, he could love baseball. Like, we make our jokes. Madison Bumgarner's played baseball his whole life. It's kind of... I think he does love baseball if he was playing, like, in a rec league or a penal league. I don't mean that he's going to be right prisoner I'm sorry but you know what I'm talking about

like he loves the game but there's more than the game at the big league level it's a lot of business it's a lot of right but different things that come along with it and I don't think he likes all that have say it's say it's July August September September and you know one of the good teams has had three injuries to their rotation and they just need starts I don't know if it's a city or place he's comfortable with and maybe he wants to redeem himself a little bit, you know? I don't know what he thinks he's got in the chamber. I think he would think he's got more than we think.

So I don't know. You think he still has confidence, so. Yes. Yeah, I agree. Did you see his last start? He was yelling at Wilson Contreras. Well, that- Called him a P.

Yeah, I know. And it's like, what? I made a promise never to talk crap. about him after 2014 in the World Series because he just put on that electric performance and I feel like I'm repeating myself with Mabum. But that's the one thing I don't love is he got mad that Wilson and Trears

made a little noise after he swung. Like, ooh, I missed that one. Like, yeah, he missed it. He's fucking pissed. He'd get mad at me, bro. Don't throw that lollipop up there. I think he got mad at you on May 25th, 2014. He went over three probably weren't happy. I didn't see the ball off him at all.

Yeah. He's got this wings span. Yeah. It's like doesn't register in my head. It's like, it's a little slingshoty. It's weird. Like the arms go out. Yeah. Yeah. I just didn't see the ball against him. It's okay.

Fucking Beavers. Me either. Me either. I don't see if you hit the ball hard. I don't think I did. No. It's two ground outs and it says like high fly ball to left. It was high though.

I just missed that. It was a major league fly ball. And for that. So, okay. I mean, to wrap this up. I'm saying I don't think he pitches again. You're saying he's going to go to the raids and become a dominant closer. Yes.

A multi-inning weapon for the Texas Rangers. Madison bum. That's interesting. Like a bullpen mad bum, there's no fucking way he would do that. This is what I'm talking about, dude. There's just no way. Hey, man, him and Bruce Bochie. Let me present.

You got outs in that arm? Let me present the situation, and then we can move on. and talk about something even more depressing. Someone else moving on. Madison Baumgartner can go back to his ranch forever and earn $37 million over the next two years. Or he can go pitch for the Texas Rangers possibly in the bullpen when he just hasn't had his stuff. Treve, we've seen... What do you think?

I mean, I would lean Mason Saunders and he lives that life. But also, you know, I've seen Jack Peart. Peterson make the city of Atlanta wear pearl necklace is to a baseball game. You're telling me the Texas Rangers and Bruce Bochy and Madhub. James is here right now. James, he's just trying to convince me that Bruce Bochie's going to call Madison Bumgarner and say, hey, hey, hauls. Let's run it back a little bit. We need four starts.

You still got a good arm? I'm in. That's awesome. I was reading a bunch of Rangers fans saying that Bochie has made them realize how bad their last two managers have been. As far as like bullpen decisions, they're like, oh, my God, it feels like we got a pro, which is always funny when that happens.

And that, my friends, is Jimmy. And now mad bum? Do you know why? Okay. I don't want to get into managers right now, but I've been thinking about this. You know, we bring in Dusty Baker,

we bring in Buck Showalter, bringing in Bruce Bochy. The new managers that get hired right now are front office managers, usually. And I don't think that necessarily works in a clubhouse. Like, how can you? you like have a trust in your manager to have your back when you know he doesn't have your back? You need a manager supposed to play both sides.

Like you protect your players when you need to. You represent the front office when you need to. That's the whole job. Well. But a lot of these guys are representing the front office. It used to be, especially with the guys that I mentioned, it's like, no, like this is my team. I'm, I am fighting for you against the front office. And that's obviously not the case anymore.

You don't get hired if you have that. point of view. But now we're kind of bringing these guys back. We're like, oh, these guys know how to manage. Like, well, they're just getting their, they're getting the most of the players because the players are like, hey, I think this guy actually does have my back and he's not just like. It's like the job of, trying to convince me that the front office is always right. It's the job of a manager. James has thoughts. Oh. It's getting, get in. I think it was like you're saying, I think a different way to say it, the same way that might, people might understand it is the, the, but Boone was hired to make the stats decisions make sense to the player,

not to never to tell the analytics, hey, this doesn't make sense. And now you're getting managers that are, and smart teams that are like, we need some pushback too. Like we need you to push us back with feel, which I think the first wave didn't have that being asked of them at all.

Boone gets like one veto a year. He gets one like, imagine that? I would love that power. Would you? I think you'd fucking hate that. Oh, hey, friend office. This is the fucking lineup you sent down. Boom, you stamp it with like a red stamp?

No. Yeah. And that's it, though? Actually, I would hate that. Yankees' playoff games. It's one shot. Burn through the aisle. Talk about one more sad.

Yeah, let's do it. The Tampa Bay raise, they don't stop. No. They don't stop. They take two out of three from the Cincinnati Reds. And the Reds, They won big, that first game. 8-1, Hunter Greens extended, were feeling good.

He actually left with injuries. You got hit with the ball. We didn't love that. But here comes Lidolo. Reds are about to win a series from the race. This is baseball. They put up a 10 spot, and they hit Lidolo hard. Tage Bradley.

Again, a bonus piece for them. Base. 5.1, zero-runs, 9Ks after they put up an 8 spot on Lodolo. These rays are different. They do it in the final game, too. Taylor Walls with a big game in this series. Randy Rosarayne, a herd of them. You sure have.

Phillies. Take two out of three from the Chicago White Sox. Man, both of these teams got to start going. And, hey, I guess the Phillies can say that they did. Although, friend of the program, Lucas Gialito, with a big boy start. Phillies at least have a World Series hangover they can point to. Chicago White Sox are hung over. from 2020.

Just a natural hangover. Trey Turner with a big game in the last game. Castellanos and Harrison for Philly. Getting it done in the first one. Jake Berger, you know we're going to shout out. You missed the stat about our guy, Puddinhead. Okay. Bryce and Stott of the Phillies extends his hitting street to 17 games.

Surpassing who? Willie Jones nickname. Pudinhead. Pudding. That's pudding, but no G. death. Trev, the Cubs sweep the athletics, and most importantly, athletic fans don't.

Probably ain't too worried about that right now. Damn, tough, tough. The Brewers sweep the Mariners. Brewers, you guys might have the biggest chip on your shoulder this week because I don't think we're deep diving. But, man, that's a nice series win. And you boys are off to as hot of a start as you can want and control of the Central Division.

Mariners, don't make Trev say the magic words. They've been asking me to... Don't make Trev say the magic words. That is not okay. Willie, Adamus, Yelich in that middle game, you know how much I like those guys. And then the Orioles, they swept the Nats, and like that should be expected two games. But the Orioles are a good team.

The Nationals are a bad team. Analytics. Dean Kramer and Kyle Braddish. Pad your stats. Mateo, man. How fun is he? I love watching this love. Trev, that's what happened in the international age.

These were some fun series. I know we're kind of just doing topics today, but looking at these like brewers, mariners, like aesthetically pleasing, but also like could be very similar in their uniform colors, depending on what uniforms the winners would wear. And we got some good performances there. I like that.

Nice road trip for the crew in general. seven and three on their 10-game West Coast trip. That's important. They're doing it. And they did it against good teams. They went to San Diego. Yeah. And then Mariners and somebody else as well.

Yeah, they're on it. They're feeling good. Yeah. Trev, a fan base that's not feeling good. And hey, Cubbies, you sweep, you're winning games. Stroman is off to the best start in the NL, basically, for starting pitchers. Incredible. Him and Justin Steele.

I mean, sneakie. top two starters. Righty lefty? Trev, the Oakland Athletics. Their fan base was planning a like party. I think it's, we mentioned it before. I think it's June 13th.

Rutherton Oakland's doing it. They want to fill the ballpark up. I actually really like this idea. Well, the owners fully shat on it, basically, by saying that, hey, guys, like, cut the tape. Like, we just purchased. We just purchased. just the land in Vegas. We're aiming for 2027. So, hey, pretty crazy because travel out of this

stuff gets thrown around. Like Salt Lake City just got mentioned the other day. And it's, I have no idea if the team will ever end up in Salt Lake City. Like, I kind of don't think so. But the way the headline was presented was almost like, this has a chance. We've always known, ever since I've been introduced to baseball, I've heard the Oakland A's have had a chance to move. Yeah. Um, And Treve, it looks like it's happening, happening. Yeah, and you know, it's, this is, it's an ownership thing. I mean, this is something that this guy's wanted to do. His name's Fisher, right?

He's been wanting to move this team for quite some time. I don't want to say that all this was just for not, like, you know, there was stadium renderings and I think that's all you have to do. Like, we could, like, just pick a city and then, like, render a stadium in there, and boom, we're like an ownership group ready to go. Yeah, we should think about that. They were doing that. When I was there in 2017, this guy, Dave Kavall, was, like, leading the charge.

We're getting a new stadium. We love Oakland. Ruted in Oakland. Yeah. Like, they had the whole freaking spiel. And I was, like, feeling this dude because I was like, look, this guy wants, like, he's energetic. We're going to get this done. I think that's awesome.

I just, I love the Oakland fan base. They were, I think they're just, they're some of the most passionate fans in baseball. Yeah. That's why I'm excited to see this, if they do, do this, like, reverse boycott thing. All right. I've said it before on the show, like to see that place packed one last time. What are they going to do, before I get into it, what are they going to do? They break ground in 2024.

Where do they play? Do you stay in Oakland for three years with your foot out the door? I assume so, man. I mean, we saw a couple of the football teams do, you know, quick move and they had to share the stadiums. Rams did the Coliseum? Like would they do, would they share the AAA field? Would they take over the AAA field? That doesn't seem right.

No, because then what do you? you do with that team? I mean, can they throw, can they go old school Raiders A's and share a football field and a baseball field? I don't know. I don't think so. I don't think so. The Chargers like went to a soccer arena. Yeah. And that only held 20,000 people. So like, are they willing to do that somewhere, a smaller venue? I don't know. I'm very curious. I haven't seen anything written about that. But yeah, I mean, this is, this is coming. I think the quote was they're directing their, full attention to southern Nevada. Yeah.

Shocking. Shocked to hear that. Might have been already directed that way. Seems like you guys already had some paperwork going. This was a, another reason I really don't like this is it was a news dump. It came late at night. And then this is like the most pointed quotes we've seen from Manfred and Kavall on the situation. It's like really like this is happening, guys.

Like we're done. We're done trying to make it work in Oakland. And I don't know all the ins and outs of it. And I know there's a lot of bureaucracy and you have to figure things out like that. But it seems to me like if you wanted to have a major league baseball team in a city, that city is usually pretty accommodating for you. Man, and that's, you mentioned the owner, and we've talked about it with free agents a lot.

That guess what, every, you know, every GM wanted to sign Aaron Judge this offseason, but you needed the owner's sign off to give them that check for 360 to 400 mil. Trev, the part that hurts me and Oakland fans, you guys are passionate, and I can't imagine what that feeling is. Like if I'm from Oakland and the team I root for and they're just going to move, and you've already had a couple sports teams do this to you. And look what's going on in San Diego that, you know, the Bay Area is booming. And, like, San Francisco is crazy.

I don't know if it's booming, to be honest with you. Well, we don't have to get into it. the actual like tech fucking numbers. I'm just saying like people are kind of, I don't know. But there's people out there. There's people with a lot of money out there. And there's a lot of people. Have you moved out there?

No, it was the dream for a little bit. But San Francisco gets a little sketch. Do you want to tell A's fans to maybe put your muffs on real quick? I want to tell them. I'm sorry for them. This is obviously an owner decision. There's no news there. The fact that they,

I could put together a business model that could make the A's a successful team. Okay. Go on. The owner wanted to go. Oh, yeah. And if you own the team and you want to go, you're going to go. That's what I want.

St. Louis Rams. They went to L.A. They got this stadium that you could speak about a lot better than me, and they won a Super Bowl. It's beautiful there. It's a little, I mean, look, obviously the A's didn't start in Oakland. I believe they were in Philly and then Kansas City

Or something like that? Oh shit, I might have messed that up. So like, you know, they moved before. I understand that. A's fans earmuffs here.

Is this better for baseball that they go to Las Vegas? Ooh. Is it better for Major League Baseball? Is it as a business decision? I'm assuming it's going to raise franchise value to go to Las Vegas. and that's kind of what these guys care about.

I'm sure there's going to be auxiliary income coming from hotels that are going to be built around the stadium. There's all those ideals. So as a business standpoint, I think that it makes sense. But I guess the problem is, Trev, the alternative of that would be Oakland can host a Major League Baseball. It can, and I've always said that, like, you, as a Major League Baseball owner, It's not the same as every other business because you do receive, you know,

uh, taxpayer money to help you build your stadium, which, you know, the stadium matters in your overall value of a team. So like you do have, you do have a, um,

requirement to like, in my mind to be one with the city. It's not, it's not like straight profit in this business. I, I, I don't believe that at all. Uh,

this looks like it's just straight up. money and business. Comparing comparing sports can be tricky sometimes, but comparing ownership. The city of Buffalo, Buffalo, New York, which go back in the history of sports teams,

there was basketball there. There was some other sports teams. The Buffalo bills, like, in recent years, and think about that, like the Buffalo bills are an iconic football team, and they're really good right now. Yes.

A guy from Buffalo bought the team and said, we're keeping them in Buffalo. Because he's a proud fucking Buffalo guy. Guess what? Good restaurant, Rochester, New York, too. If the NFL led a guy from Austin, Texas by that team, they might be moving to Austin, Texas. Like, that's where I feel awful for Oakland fans, that if an Oakland person, or like a true Oakland athletics fan had become the owner of that baseball team, I don't think they'd be leaving. So, hey, maybe there's going to be a day where

they're eye in Oakland and it's a new fertile ground. You know, look at the Washington, Washington Nationals, right? They had a team for a while. It left and it came back. But, I mean, that's solace that 40 years later you might get a team. That sucks. I don't know. I don't know if Oakland's going to see a team again, man.

The Warriors left. They went to San Francisco. Raiders left. A's left. And I think we'll end with the point of this is not an Oakland A's fan problem. They showed up. When the team was good, they showed up. No.

is straight up, you know, ownership wanting to go to Vegas. That's it. Trev, we got to get going. It's starting to get rowdy at the warehouse. Let's get to the second half of the show. We're probably going to talk about your team or your favorite player there. Or if not, that was a good lie by me. And our standout performances are brought to you by Lightbox.

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Mama. I can see that. Yeah. I can see that. Who were you? I don't know. I don't think I ever call my small mommy after four years old. I was a man at five.

Ma. I'm a big ma guy. I start calling her Diane. Ma. That's so mean if you call my mom. call your mom by your name. It's like so mean. Sometimes I have to though because she doesn't respond.

Dianne. Yeah. I didn't understand why my parents would get so mad at that when I was a kid and not, it didn't take many more years later to be. I was like, oh yeah, that sounds. That would hurt.

Standout performances. Yeah. Everyone had their friend that like went through their phase of like calling their mom by their first name when they were like 12 and you're like, chill out. I tried to once on my dad and he was firm. No. not in on this.

Trev, who's your standout? I got some pictures. Am I one thing that I hate about the show's succession? Okay. Which is a great show, great acting. I hate that they always keep saying, dad. They're like 40 to 50 years old, I think in the show. And they keep dad, dad, dad, dad.

I think at some point you got outgrow it. They're scared of them. Some point you got to outgrow that, right? Anyways, standout performances. What do you got, Treve? Patty Wisdom, Hot, can dance. You know he could dance? I didn't know what he can dance.

Three for five, two homers, four RBI, two runs. Again, you read all of these. You're supposed to highlight one guy, which you have highlight. Back to back and Fuego standouts. It's like this is the spot where we highlight a dude. I have my guide, too. I know you do. I'm going to starting bitch for Luis Garcia.

What the bounce back start? The year has not started off well for Luis Garcia, but this one in particular against a very good Jay's lineup. Innings pitch. Only two hits. One walk with nine K's. The headline for this one, he was mean.

He put the smile away and pitched aggressively. Toronto took 50 swings in this game against him. They whiffed 23 times. That's more swings and misses than any other start in his career. His cutter was good after the game. Martim Maldonado. I love Maltinado. I really like Maltinado.

He said that's the best. every pitch he's had in a while. It's reminded me of 2021, Luis Garcia. He was filthy. Getting the reaction for those hitters, you don't get it. I like the Luis Garcia's going. We took away his motion. You can't do it anymore.

I think that's tough for a pitcher. I mean, you've been doing something. It gets you set. He's had to figure some things out. I'm glad. I feel like you knew he was going to be going at some point, but to do it against the Blue Jays is a big feat. So shout out Louise Garcia.

Dude, we say, you know, having to change your wind up and we look at Luis Garcia and we laugh because he was doing a lot of funny business. I mean, a lot. Yeah, yeah. But also, you're right, Trevor. Imagine if they came up to a hitter and they're like, oh, you can't use this bad stance. It's like, what? So a lot of coaches did tell me that.

Yeah. Fucking change it up, bro. Same. Luis Garcia drops it. And yeah, it's one of those things I keep going to in the back of my head that some guy's season haven't like gone. Like Luis Garcia could have a fantastic year. But his first couple starts, it was like, whoa, and you start doing the... Hey, World Series Hangover, man.

He's pitched a lot last year. Is he 25, 26? I can look it up right now. Why don't you give your stand out? I've already been doing it for three years. Trev, I'm doing a guy that stood out to me for a couple reasons. He stands out in person because of his height. Ooh.

He stands out on the mound because his stuff is kind of unique, righty, power change up. It's Lucas Gialito of the White Sox. He goes six shuddy. Seven K's. Was he no hit? Yeah, no hits. Trev, watching the highlights,

I kind of had a, oh. Because think about it, when we used to talk about best young pitchers in baseball, it was kind of the Harvard Westlake thing. Like, it started there. And it was like Walker Bueller. Like, these guys are now kind of men. They're 28.

29. Walker Bueller? Well, it was Harvard, Westlake, Walker Bueller, and then a couple other young pitchers. And it was like, this is the future of pitching in baseball. These are our next ones. You know, each of these guys have taken on baseball. They're different ways.

Gialito and the White Sox, white socks, mid-sox, tough. And Giolito got hit around a little bit at times. He came out and he looked unhittable. That change-up was dancing. It's a middle of the dish fastball. It's off the plate and it's gone and it's a change up and you swung through it. And Trev, the reason why I brought it up.

Hey, maybe the White Sox go. They find that 10-game winner we've been talking about. Earmuffs, White Sox fans, earmuffs. Earmuffs, White Sox fans. If they don't, Lucas Giolyto is a free agent after the year. If he's thanging that thing, you can, he would be a pretty, ticket at the deadline. It's interesting.

I don't hate that because, you know, where are the white socks in their window? They're in it, right? But they're like in it, but it's not working. It's like they can't open the window or something. Yeah, I don't. This team frustrates me like no other. And when you do have a situation like they're in where they're just not getting victories, the results aren't there.

And you do have an impending free agent who's, you know, worth a lot of money. Right. Are you going to give them a contract? If they were going to, they probably would have already. So you can offer them the qualifying offer, or you can trade them. I think you're kind of right, man. I don't know. And your favorite team, talking to the fans now,

they're going to be after Lucas G. If he looks like that. Unless you're an Oakland A's fan. I'm sorry. If he looks like that, he will, in there out of contention, he will be traded because qualifying, offer, the White Sox would ask for you have to be better than at least the draft pick you would get if he leaves in free agency.

They would get a lot more than that. I'm curious to see what he would fetch on the open market for a rental. I mean, his next five starts will dictate that. Because if he looks like that, it could be a haul. Because he has a record. Baseball has ebbs and flows for every player that ever plays it. If he's flown back up, it was awesome to watch. It's very unique, that short-armed, big fella, power change-up.

Sorry, White Sox fans. Yeah. I can't talk about Patty Wisdom? Patrick Wisdom, Nimmo had a big day. Hey, we got another thing going right here. Played that music. Cobel. You guys both pick guys with initials, LG.

A sponsorship. That means I'm on fire, baby. Like Waco. Now I can read all the names, right? Yes. And Patrick Wisdom's on it. Yes. I love Patrick Wisdom, man.

Wilson Contreras of the St. Louis Cardo, six for 12 with three doubles, two homers, five ribbies, and a spat with Madison, Bumgarner, J.D. Martinez. I almost gave him my standout. He went five for 12 in the series with a double and two homers and five RBI. Brandon Nimmo.

It's a stud. He's from White. He's a stud, man. He's from Wyoming. He almost got my standout. It's nuts. Eight for 14, a double a homer. Only 2 RBI, though.

That's scores from runs, Mets. Tampa Bay. Ever heard of Randy a Rosarena? I sure have. What's his celebration? What's he do? Never seen you guys in the same room together. Seven for 14, a homer.

That's a solo homer because only one RBI, three runs and stolen base. We maybe need some different in Fuego people. I don't know if seven for 14 would no meat on the bone. works for me. I think you'd take a seven for 14. Five hondo is nice, but you drove in one run. It was yourself. You'd take a seven for 14. I don't think there's any doubt at all. Okay, but then here comes the more, like the lengthier. Yeah, they extended it a little bit. Fuego's for us. Marcus Simeon goes 11 for 23 over a week span, a double three homers, 11 ribbyes. Ten runs scored. My goodness. Patrick

Wisdom, our guy over this week, nine for 27, which is a 333 batting average. That's math. A double, a triple. Five homers in a week. Five. Gosh, I think he fell behind Pete Alonzo last night for the league. That's all right. Pete's doing his thing. Routy Tellez, nine for 25, three homer nine RBI.

Two weeks going. These guys are really hot, and they've been hot for quite some time. How about the closer for Baltimore? Felix Bottice. He's pitched six innings. Have you seen the stats on his split change or whatever? Tell me then. It's a, it's un-ed-old.

Unhittable. Like nobody else has a whiff percentage on a pitch above like 70% or something like that. And his split is like 94%. I was in the box against him. I would just like just not like it. It's scary. He's a mountain. Three hits in those six innings, no earned runs.

He's only walked two guys compared to 11Ks. He's got three wins also in those two weeks. That's nice. How about this guy and this upstart pirates? Might be hearing more about them a little bit. Johan Oviedo, three games started over the last two weeks. He's got 19 and two-thirds innings pitched, only 14 hits and only two earned runs. 21Ks to four walks.

That's a nice little stretch right there. And he's a reason why the pirates are going. And last but not least, the most underrated shortstop in baseball. Toronto's Boba's shit. He's 20 for 53 for a 377 average, three doubles, three home, is 10 RBI. That's over two-week period. Bobeschet can hit. He sure can.

He can hit. That's my guy. I've latched on to his bandwagon. That's who's in Fuego. Kind of full-blown. It's a great infuego, Trev. I've got the weird I-L segment that I hate, least favorite segment of the day.

You got Corbyn Burns left Monday's game. Pectoral injury. Hate that. DeGrom, I mentioned his wrist. It sounds like he'll be good. Hunter Green. got hit in the shin. Young Garrett Mitchell, your freshman,

he goes to the aisle, shoulder injury. Don't like that. Chas McCormick from those Astros. They're starting to get the injury bug pretty for real. Good sentence. Our guy, Miggy Row on the aisle,

I can't even stomach talking about that. I'll throw up into the microphone. Calquantra, a little foot. Your guy, Mateo, he banged up his hip a little bit. And I just hate this whole segment. I almost don't want it to be a segment. Logan O'Hopi, the shoulder injury.

That's a tough one. Are you throwing up right now? I can't talk. Tenta Maeda gets hit, has to leave a game in Boston. James and Tielan has a groin injury. That's no good. Michael Grove had some troubles. He was with a groin injury as well.

That's tough. I hate that. I'm over this segment. Trev, we've come up to possibly the best part of the show. Debs ran out. Unreal. And I don't think we have it on this. How do we not have it on this?

I don't know how technology. Isn't she here? She's here. But BBD's not, which is kind of an unbelievable. On three, ready? One, two, three. That sucked. BPD's coming back.

We'll see. I can't do my award without hearing that. Bidi, do you have the awards drop on that or no? No. Is Kelsey getting on coffee right now? Okay. We already did it. That was even worse than us.

Okay. Trev, give you a word. I'm going first. And if you haven't seen, Top Gun Maverick. Spoilers. Spoilers. There's going to be some spoilers here. I'm going to give the Captain Pete Mitchell award.

Okay. Captain Pete Mitchell. He's a captain. He's been serving for a long time. He shouldn't be a captain anymore. He's distinguished. He's done everything you can do for the U.S. Navy in their, you know, top gun program, just anything in general.

This guy's been good, but he just hasn't ranked up. In fact, Admiral Kane says, why aren't you a two-star Admiral? Why aren't you a senator? And Pete Mitchell says, I'm where I belong. It comes down to it in this movie where he gets asked to come back and coach up the new young top gun pilots for a mission. Yeah. pilots pirates are we really getting in there right now

and that's all he's supposed to do you're going to go coach these guys up then it comes down to it ain't no one can fly this mission except for pete mitchell and there's an incredible scene if you've seen the movie you know john ham takes over i think he's what's his name cyclone something like that cyclone he takes over the the mission to train these guys, and all of a sudden you hear a boop. And on the radar, there's a bogey flying the test run.

It's Captain Pete Mitchell. It's Maverick. Everyone sits forward. Everyone sits forward. He says, I'm not flying this thing in four minutes. I'm not flying it in two minutes and 30 seconds. I'm going 2.15 and everyone's like, you can't do that. It's impossible.

It's impossible. No one can find that fast. Well, Maverick does it. Yeah. And he ends up leading the squadron to the mission. And that's all I'm going to do for spoilers because Beaver says not seen this. Andrew McCutcheon of the Pitchardt of the Pitchardt is getting my captain Pete Mitchell Award. A lot of people, a lot of people thought he was going to the pirates just to coach it up a little bit.

Just go there and show the young kids what to do. They need your guidance, your wisdom. We don't think you have much more to offer, but we think you can teach. Do you know what Andrew McCutcheon said to that? I'll give you two minutes and 15 seconds right now. This dude is going off. A 395 on base percentage. He's slugging a 548.

He's got a 943 OPS. The pirates, what are they right now? What are the standings right now? I'm going back to find. 13 and 7. They are 13 and 7. This guy not only came in and taught them how to win, he is performing with them.

He's leading the charge for the upstart Pittsburgh Pirates. This is not something that I saw coming at all. Like I love Cutch and I believed in his ability. And you know what? Like if you kind of go back and look at some of the numbers that he's had, they're not too bad. No, he's been getting on base. He's been doing some things.

But no one expected this out of him. But here we are, him leading the way. And I just wanted to make sure we gave, a rightful shout out to what Pittsburgh's been doing. It's not just Cutch. There's some other guys doing some things. I mentioned Oviedo in there. Swinsky.

Yeah. Won't stop hitting fucking homers. All he knows. It's all he knows. There's been some good pitching besides that guy just mentioned. Hohon. Captain Pete Mitchell, Andrew McCutcheon. They don't just come to coach.

They still got stuff left on the tank. And that is my top gun maverick, Captain Pete Mitchell Award. You know, I love the movie. I love the pirates. I love Cutch. Cutch, again, we talk about Mad Bomb and where he's had and he faded off a little bit. Cutch is still going and go look at who he was. MVP, top five in the MVP, four straight years, 200 plus stolen bases,

sneaking up on 300 homers. He's a guy guy. You can chop up his stats and put him in rare air. And Trev, the other thing that I was thinking during that, and I don't know if there's a top gun spin. What do we see last year with our friend Albert Pujos? He went back home and he kind of had that good juice. I don't know if there's something there.

He's where he belongs. Flying that plane. Captain Pete Mitchell. Showing up at that lady's house for a late night. Yeah, he loves that. The love interest in that movie is interesting. Penny and. I mean, we don't again.

What a movie. I watched it on the plane right out here. Go see it, ad. Trev, it's a great award. You know I love my pirates and they are, they're playing ball right now. And Trev, I'll keep the movie theme going Before we wrap up and start doing some ball and play I'm going to give the Dark Night award

Oh Yeah, the Dark Night You know, big movie, all-time movie Your guy Jack Flaherty, obsessed with it And The Joker in that movie Obsessed with it I know someone else he's obsessed with too The opening scene of the Dark Night

Like you said, you told me earlier Top Guns a great movie There's like eight perfect You just, yeah. Axe scenes. The Dark Night, the opening scene's incredible. It's one of my favorite scenes in moving history. And Treve, we're kind of through the opening scene of the baseball season.

Oh. And there's, as we highlighted some players and some big topics, a couple teams that deserve love at the end, because their opening scene has been great. I'm a big expectations guy. You go and see a movie and you have the highest expectations for it, and that opening scene comes out flat, you're like, oh. Okay.

Got to grab your attention. Like, what are we doing here? You can save it. You know, a big plot twist or something. You could save that movie. But if you go into a movie and say the expectations are, okay, all right. And then that opening scene happens, and you're the Texas Rangers, and you're 12 and 6. And, you know, some of our guys are bopping and some of our guys are pitching.

And we love our new manager. I'm really liking this opening scene. The Milwaukee Brewers are 14 and 5. We retooled a little bit. We still like a lot of our guys, and these young guys are cool, too. Ooh, we got some new characters this season, and I like them. Are you going to a league-wide award? It's not a league-wide.

It's Texas and Milwaukee. Well, what about Pittsburgh? Pittsburgh, you know I was on them early. I've got so much of their stock. No, that if you're Pittsburgh, you're excited. Give you your award. I feel like I interrupted. If you're Pittsburgh, you're excited.

You love the opening act. You're still not sure how the movie ends. Texas Ranger fans, who you've added a lot. Yeah. Milwaukee, who you believe in your front office and you retooled. They're starting to really like this movie. And yet, Trev, at the end, the season could still be a dark night the other way.

A couple things go sour, injury bug, couple guys go down, couple guys going to funk. It's baseball. It's a long season. But man, after watching kind of the opening scene, they're feeling good. They're feeling really good. They've been scoring a lot of runs. I think they have the second best run differential in the league behind Tampa.

They've been doing it. And a couple of different ways they're doing it. You know, we have the guys that are kind of just driving the ball. You have an Adelisse Garcia, for instance. He's in 206. He's 650 OPS. The guy's got 19 Vibis. He's coming up clutch.

Then you have your marquee names. You know, I know Corey Seeger's out, but he got up to a really good start. Marcus Simeon doing his thing. You know, even Jonah Haim kind of, you know, answering the bell again. You can do it for a year, but what are you going to do? What are you going to do? What are you done for us lately? He's come out.

He's had a really good start to the year. Nate Lowe, great early Settlers game. He's been okay. He'll get it going. They have room to grow also. You know, they lost a gram. He came out of a game early, but they still won the series there against Houston. Yep.

And then obviously, who did they sweep? The Royals? Swept the Royals. They're going. And I guess I think they have room to improve. I like this team a lot. I wasn't sure how. I think my take on them before the year was,

is this team going to gel? It's like a lot of pieces they brought together really quickly. And sometimes that works. Like talent will just take over. But sometimes it doesn't. And sometimes it's like the clubhouse doesn't feel right. Or they do get off to a slow start and it changes everything. Getting off to a start like this.

and kind of like doing it against some good teams too, I think is important. Want a Houston series in there? Yeah, and right now, like you can plant your flag early in the season where it's like we're going to compete, we're going to be at least in the wild card race. And now they have aspirations for the division, which I got to be honest with you. I guarantee no Texas Ranger fan really thought they could be a division winner. Not with the Mariners and Houston from. There's no chance that we said that they could do it at all.

Ranger fans could have thought. Realistically, I don't think we could have thought. Realistically, no. But now the narrative has changed. And is that a good thing or a bad thing? I think it's a good thing. I think this group of guys, like this isn't like a young roster. No.

Rish Bochy. Mad bum. It's team's different. Madbom's coming over. I like it a lot. I hope they continue to go because they've tried. They've fucking tried to put a good roster together. Right.

We want to reward this. That is something that we have to remember. They went out and did this quickly. Yeah. So I'm happy they're off to a fast start. Hopefully it continues. Hate a lot of guys. Brought in a cool baseball manager icon.

Make it work. New stadium. Backyard Brad. So many topics today. We love you guys. We have to roll. It's time to go over here. You guys are the best.

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