Talkin' Baseball (MLB Podcast) - More Trades Spark MLB Offseason!
Episode Date: January 14, 2026Download the DraftKings Sportsbook app and use promo code JMBASEBALLUse our code for 10% off your next SeatGeek order*: https://seatgeek.onelink.me/RrnK/TALKIN2026. Sponsored by SeatGeek. *Restriction...s apply. Max $20 discount Coach Trev and Talkin’ Jake break down the two most recent MLB trades, Rob Manfred’s interview on salary cap and expansion, Kyle Tucker rumors and more! 0:00 Intro4:00 Max Kepler suspension8:50 Nolan Arenado traded to the Diamondbacks16:20 What’s going on in St Louis21:35 Yankees trade for Ryan Weathers34:00 Rob Manfred interview53:00 Expansion and Realignment1:00:45 Kyle Tucker Rumors Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.
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Hello and welcome to Talking Baseball.
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Hall of Famer traded.
And we got some rumors.
$50 million.
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I'm Jake Storelli.
That is Trevor.
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Philly's birthday.
Watch out in the DMs.
Whether that's Diamondback rumors or the ladies.
A happy birthday to Doll as he's updating the sheet live.
Who knows?
We could have something break, even though we're not live for you.
But I guess it would be live for us.
Coach Trev, we both had nice little off-season days yesterday.
How are you doing?
Oh, I'm doing great.
I can't wait to hear about you.
years. Yeah. I had a little golf
yesterday. Tough course.
Played Sherwood with my good buddy, Mike
Newstakis, and our mutual
friend, Cole Tucker. Shout out
Kotuck.
I'm so, like, I don't practice
golf enough. I think I have some
natural ability. Nice.
A couple birdies, lipped out
for Eagle on a really tough par five,
which was fun. But yeah, good
times for had, man. I'm curious to hear about your
day. Yeah, I went to see
one on 18. This is, these
These greens are slippery.
Look how he barely hits this thing.
Look at the hands.
Malibu Mike.
It's a tap right here, coach.
By the way, as athlete Instagram handles go,
Moose tacos, that's good.
That's really good.
He's one of a kind, man.
Also, if you see me turning my head a lot this episode,
my screen I normally look at Trev at died right before the show.
So if I'm trying to look at that handsome face,
might be some head turns.
Oh, you're looking just into the camera, not even at me now.
Yeah, dog.
I'm flying blind right now.
I'm, you know, Star Wars.
I can do all sorts of stuff right now.
Luke Skywalker.
I can kind of see, hey.
I went, you know, you went, this is a baseball program.
We have to remind ourselves.
You're with Mike Musak,
his legendary baseball player.
I was watching Bernie Williams at Carnegie Hall
perform with Jonathan Tettelman,
who's like a full-blown opera guy,
full-blown.
And I'll tell you what,
it was kind of powerful,
watching a guy like that actually sing in person
You know kind of shut down the ground
Crowd was great
A lot of Yankee fans just showed up
Because it was like Bernie Williams
That like a Bernie Williams champ broke out
Before the show
Which I don't think that happens at Carnegie Hall a lot
And yeah
It was I don't know
It's a classy little Tuesday night
For the little guy
So I don't know
Trying to class up during the off season
Before we start getting into the grindy
It's August.
We're watching Royals Reds
As they compete for Bull Central's, what?
Trevor, we did, we have some baseball news.
It's not
I don't know.
I don't know if we've got a 20-minute get lost in it topic,
but between, you know, some of the rumors,
Kyle Tucker getting some big boy AAV offers,
Bichette flirting with some teams.
We also, I mentioned,
Hall of Famer traded Nolan Aronado.
to the debacks
and I think there's some fun,
interesting stuff there.
Ryan Weathers,
who's,
I don't know,
wasn't on anyone's really
trade map,
but he ends up with the Yankees.
What does that mean?
I do, Treve,
I have to,
I have to address something
because it was the first thing.
I saw Jimmy O'Brien
after we recorded last episode
and he asked me
how did it go talking about
Max Kepler?
And I said,
wow, I forgot.
So I don't,
the people need to hear from you
because you've,
he's been on your hot boy list every year.
You've known him since he was like a 16-year-old German boy.
Where are we at, dude?
That one hurt for sure when I heard the news come across.
You know, Max and I, you know, we don't talk all the time.
Obviously, I know him and I love Max Kepler.
I truly do.
I think he's a phenomenal human being.
I don't know what happened, coach.
I don't know what happened.
My best guess, because I haven't texted him about it,
and I'm sure he wouldn't be like going to detail with me or maybe he would.
I don't know.
Yeah.
My best guess is he got offered some sort of like supplement and took it.
And without really knowing.
And, you know, what's the, what's the saying there?
Like, you know, ignorance isn't, doesn't matter.
It doesn't matter for you.
That's not the saying.
That's not a saying.
Ignorance is bliss.
That's the only ignorance.
Yeah, there's another one I can't remember right now.
I don't think Max Kepler knowingly took something,
but I could be wrong too, Coach.
You know, I've been around some guys now
that have taken some stuff.
Some rumors about you online.
You've been threatening me.
I just, am I the guy?
I need to defend my guy and now, I don't know.
No, man, I told you, look,
it's even more impressive that I'm the cleanest guy in sports.
Right.
I don't know.
I will text, I promise the people this.
I will text Max Kepler, what the hell happened today, see if I get a response.
This is my take on steroid guys.
Guys get popped.
I don't like it at all.
In fact, I do think a little less of you when you get popped for steroids.
That's just the facts, people.
I've come to terms now with like, you can separate, like, is this guy a good dude?
And is he not?
I think there's still that with me, I'm still friends with Ryan Braun.
We had a year off from our relationship after that.
That one really cut me deep.
That was like my guy, my mentor, my workout partner in the off season.
But now I'm back and we're really good friends.
So I guess I can forgive.
Can I forget?
Never forget.
All right.
I don't know if the listeners like that at all.
I don't know.
I kind of.
What's your take on it?
Um, I guess I just, I don't know, I jumped to baseball.
I don't know if I can ever believe a guy if they're like, I did, I had no idea.
Like, right?
Like, we did that with Tatis.
We do that with all these guys that, I don't know, man.
It's one of the, it's part of your job as a professional athlete to be very cautious about what's going in your body.
Uh, for me, I, I just, I flash forward to the baseball side to it.
They're like, he's a free agent is, and he has to serve a suspension.
So, like, is he going to get signed by a team for cheap, cheap?
And they hope that he might give them something for a couple months.
Will he, like, dip out of this season?
Will he dip out of baseball?
I don't know.
I don't think so, Coach.
I don't know what it means.
I will say this.
I think there are, I think in my mind, at least, there's a difference of a guy taking
something and then him benefiting from it.
Like, if a guy takes something, like, has the best offensive year,
best overall year, I'm like, what the heck?
man, jerks and pro far comes
to me. Yeah. I'm wondering if you say it.
I don't think Max Kepler benefited
from this whatsoever. A lot of people
are pointing it out. Like, whatever you took, bad
didn't work.
Is that weird to, is that weird to
to think that way? It probably is.
No, I mean, I get what you're saying.
It's all bad, kids. Like, you can, you don't need it.
Kids, if you're listening, don't do drugs.
Protein and hard work, man.
Yes.
Eat and meat.
Let some weights.
Have some confidence.
I'm glad we, I'm glad that's just out there now.
I don't want the people saying we ran away from the topic.
Still handsome.
Still handsome.
I still got to do an updated list, man.
I found some, I found some, this girl on Instagram.
Okay.
That, like, rates, like, players.
She basically says, like, smash her pass on, like, baseball players.
Sure.
I think I'm going to, like, invite her to be on my panel.
Okay.
and get that out.
I've been promising that for like a year now.
I'm going to do it.
People are waiting.
Stay tuned.
Coming up.
Trevor Plouffe and someone on Instagram rating.
I should get her name.
I don't know.
I think I followed her.
We'll research that.
Nolan Aeronado is traded,
which depending which year of this show we were doing it,
would be a massive topic.
I think the details are kind of the interesting thing here,
because Nolan Aeronado, if you don't know if you got lost with Cardinals baseball,
which I hand up, I've already apologized to Cardinals fans.
They had that, there was a little bit in summer where it was like they were around 500
and in the race.
And then I didn't keep track of them.
Like I owe Matt Svanson an apology in their bullpen.
He was absolutely nails.
And I wasn't locked in to Matt Svanson.
I also wasn't locked into where Nolan Aeronado's,
final season stats landed, because it might not be what you expect.
From the 10-time Gold Glove winning, 8-time All-Star, 6-time, platy, Jesus.
Noel Narano gets traded and $31 million for Jack Martinez,
who's a not-ranked prospect in the DeBax organization.
So this is a full-blown money dump for two years.
Nolan Aronado at $5 million and $6 million.
the snakes bring him in.
He waives his no trade clause.
I guess there's two conversations here.
It's what does this mean for Dalton's diamondbacks going forward?
Also, St. Louis, I mean, Heim has fully cleared the cupboard.
That I guess where do you jump, Coach Trev?
Where do you want to start?
I mean, I guess let's go with Arizona first because of where he's going.
Arizona gets like the opposite of Eugenio Swariz.
at third base.
Right now, a guy that's going to, you know, play still very, very solid defense.
I can see him having a great defensive season.
He is that guy.
So you get that out of Nolan Aronado.
Now, obviously, the offense is ticked down.
I didn't even, like, I went back and looked at this guy's stats.
He had some banger offensive season.
Oh, yeah.
Like in the nine's coach.
This guy is obviously legit.
It's gone down.
It's continued to go down over the last three seasons.
So offensively, I don't think you can expect a ton.
I think he will profile a little bit better in Arizona,
especially to the pole side.
So you can dream upon maybe a bump in offense from last year.
I think he's still an above average player that you're getting at $5.5 million.
You can think of him as some sort of a stopgap before some of the other guys,
some young guys kind of come up and take over that spot.
but if you're asking me, do I want Nolan Aeronado at third base for five and a half million bucks for a couple of years?
I'm going to say yes to that.
And you start thinking about that infield, man.
Like that's a great defensive infield.
Him, Perdomo, Marte.
Like, I'm about this move for the Diamondbacks.
Now, if the money was different and you're sitting there what the Cardinals were looking at and you're paying him that,
then it's a different discussion.
But I think if you're the Diamondbacks and you get him, like I said, for five and a half a year,
veteran leader
maybe a tinker with a swing
a little bit mechanically he's always
been he's always had an interesting swing
to me it's kind of like
pushy a little bit where I think the timing
has to be right and you have to have
quicker hands he's never had a great
bat speed at least since they've been tracking it
and I went back and looked
but there can be some things that you could do
like I said I think you can try to
maximize pull potential in that park
and see if you get a little bit more
but I think it's kind of a, you can, I mean, we've been seeing this quite often.
It seems to me like a win-win where Arizona's giving up a guy who hasn't even thrown a pitch in professional baseball for, you know, a guy that's going to be a solid third basement for them at a cheap price.
Yeah, I think if we're, okay, let's let's zoom out to some kind of non-baseball stuff that you and me like and still matters.
The fact that I still defend statements like this,
hey, the fact that the Arizona dimebacks will have Nolan Aronado
as part of their organization, kind of cool.
Maybe he takes a kid under his wing and teaches him something.
He's Nolan Aronado.
Like his peak as a third basement goes toe to toe with anyone who's ever played the position.
So yeah, I'll take that guy in my org, especially, you know,
for what the minimum you're going to pay a potential starting baseball player,
$5 million basically.
Hey, let's see.
And he leaves Bush, which is one of the toughest players
for right-handed hitters to have power at.
And maybe a change of scenery,
and maybe Arizona that's just traditionally been a decent place to hit,
and maybe being down in the lineup a little bit.
And there's still stuff you can dream of.
I mean, don't get me wrong.
Like, I started this out.
His year-end numbers, 237, a 289 on base, a 666, sign of,
the devil. OPS, career lows for a guy 34, turning 35. Not what you want.
Chase rate, worst of his career. Walk rate, worst of his career. He was still making contact.
And the babbip was a career low that, again, I think you and I are bet on talent guys.
That's what we've done our entire lives. Is that, like, there's still talent in Nolan
Aeronado. It's just what can he do? Could Nolan Aeronado?
have a, he taps into more contact.
Could he bail in that?
Maybe the strikeouts go out, but he does hit 20 homers next year.
Or like, you know, later in his career, could he just become averse lefty guy?
And then, hey, if Nolan Aernado's out there against righties,
you still know you're getting solid defense and you might get a good at bat at some point
in the game.
I think there's very little risk for Arizona at this price tag.
I do agree.
I mean, the upside seems limited.
We're doing a little pie in the sky right now.
And if you're St. Louis,
they're clearly moving on as an organization
from William Contreras, Sunny Gray, Paul Goldschmidt,
Nolan Aeronado, that it was time for Nolan in St. Louis to move on.
And Arizona, you're taking a flyer on a Hall of Fame type guy that, yeah, why not?
Is this now two organizations that have paid for Nolan Aranano to leave?
Hey, it hasn't been the biggest Rockies offseason.
The Rockies, you know, they got critiqued pretty bad for that trade at the time.
I still think you could look at some of the players or the fact that they did any money,
but they were kind of ahead of this, right?
Well, yes, he also had some really nice seasons in San Luis.
He put up a 7-9 war in 2022.
Third and MVP, yeah.
Yeah, so they got some value out of it.
so they got out.
Yeah, I mean, I don't really know what else there is to say about Aeronado
and that kind of the Dianbeck side of this.
I think we kind of hit it all.
I don't know what you, yeah, like overall, yeah,
just it is a very low risk, probably like moderate reward for being honest.
Right.
Kind of move for them.
Yeah.
On the Cardinal side, I mean, look, I think that's,
I don't know if it's more interesting,
but I think it's more drastic what's going on there in St. Louis.
I mean,
Hyam Blum is coming in.
He's convincing all these guys to give up their no trade clause,
basically by saying,
like,
hey,
like,
we're not going to be good.
Like,
we're going young.
That's how you convince guys to give their no trade clause,
just say,
hey,
like,
do you want to be here?
Like,
when this is going down?
I mean,
there were eight and a half games back by July,
like 19th last year.
They're going young.
That roster is very,
very young they want to
the accounts
are you know the quotes out there
I mean Heim Blume came out and said it's
we're not in a spot we want to be in
what are we looking at is that Heim Bloom
Yeah that's Heim Bloom at the winter meetings
Yeah
Brett Phillips
Nice
I was talking with Rosie about this
I think as a St. Louis Cardinals fan
You're like why did last year happen
If this was going to happen when Heim Bloom
came in like why didn't we start this
process a couple years ago then.
If we knew, like, Heim came in.
We knew he was eventually going to take over.
He's from the raise.
I mean, this is kind of his M.O.
Like, he wants to go young.
He wants to focus on development.
All these things.
Okay, that's great.
But like, why did we, why did we wait then?
Why did we wait to do that?
And, you know, so I think Haim came out.
And he was very honest in this interview that he did saying, like, yeah, this is, this is not a
great spot to be in.
We want to get this done as soon as possible.
I think if you're a Cardinals fan,
it's at least you appreciate the honesty,
but I feel like you haven't been in this situation very often
where you're just looking up at a season and saying,
well, we're not going to be competing, essentially.
I don't see a world where the Cardinals are competing for the NL Central,
do you, in 2026?
I mean, it's hard to dream that with where the brewers have been as a franchise
with what the Cubs are doing,
like the Red's potential we always ooze over.
Even...
Red be the playoffs last year.
Like if you had to pick the Pirates or the Cardinals right now,
I think people are taking the Pirates.
I keep hearing about this Connor Griffin guy.
Yeah, you do.
Because you're...
He is like legit.
I got to see it.
You're on Instagram rating hot baseball players.
Oh yeah, I sent Rob the girl that I want to invite.
Her name's Gondju's swag.
Excuse me?
And she rates all the baseball players,
pretty good.
Okay.
Yeah.
So Gondju Swag.
Collab season.
Me and you,
we'll talk hot guys.
We'll figure it out.
Our social team is going to be excited for that one.
What was I?
I think I had one more.
Was it Cardinals or was it D-Backs?
Oh, I guess I was going to say with the Cardinals,
they did try to trade Aeronado last year.
He blocked the trade to Houston.
So I guess in a way they were kind of,
but they also had that dueling GMs.
set up and they just told Hymne to deal with the minor leagues?
I don't know. I don't know if it's right.
I hope in four years we're talking about it's the right thing, but also, I don't know.
Cardinals fan.
Heim didn't get enough time last time.
Interested to see.
And I guess the other thing that other baseball teams are curious about, Brennan Donovan,
who's been a trade rumor, is he next, but he's not a salary dump?
He's gone, coach.
Yes, of course he is.
Okay.
Like that's, that's happening.
But that, for Cardinals fans, at least that would have a little more excitement to it
because I think that that would net some actual prospects you can hope to dream of as Donovan's been just a good hitter in this league.
That interested to see what goes on there.
Some Cardinals fans kind of came at me because they're like, dude, Mason win like Lars Neupar.
And it's like, yeah, guys, I want to.
Yeah.
Mason wins winning.
He is.
Mason wins winning.
We do support him.
Snakes.
Okay.
Let's go.
Let the kids play.
That's what they're doing.
Nolan Aronado throws his arm around Jordan Lawler,
and we're talking about his number getting retired.
Nolan's at the ceremony.
Maybe getting myself a little bit there.
But J.J. Weatherholt, St. Louis, get excited.
Let's go.
There was a trade with the Yankees.
I haven't even done talking.
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Trev, the New York Yankees acquire Ryan Weathers.
son of a Yankee.
Ryan Weathers, who was slotted to be in the Marlins rotation.
You might remember him from San Diego.
I think his bullet point that a lot of baseball fans,
at one point he was the youngest player in the league.
He's 26 now.
He gets traded for a handful of prospects, four of them.
Brendan Jones, Dylan Lewis, Dylan Lassow,
Jassau, excuse me, two Dillans spelled differently,
and Juan Matthews.
Weathers has three years of control.
He makes $1.35 million.
It's dealt with some injuries.
Has lefty armed talent,
which is something this league will always be hunting for.
And yeah, I think, I don't know,
as far as trading for a major league pitcher goes,
I don't know.
I guess I want to hear what you say, Trev.
Yankee fans have just been thirsty for any news,
so I guess I'm still seeing where I land on this.
I mean, I don't think this can be the move that you guys make.
I think it is a valuable move, three years of control, an option also, which is, I don't know
if that's going to be exercised ever, but you can.
So there's flexibility, not only in that, but the fact that this guy can make starts,
he can go into the bullpen if you need it, reading some of our pitching guys, Enosaris
is my guy.
even though he acted like he didn't know me, that hurt, you know,
I hurt my feelings at the winter meetings.
He made a good point.
Like he's starting to throw close to his max Velo,
so that is more stress on the arm.
He has dealt with injuries before.
Can he be a viable bullpen piece for the Yankees?
And I think, look, if you have a guy that can make starts for you
while you're waiting for Rodon and Cole,
and then when they get back, can be a multi-inning reliever,
if he has, if he, you know,
ticks up in the bullpen like we see from time to time can be can he be a guy at the end of the
games for the yankees can it be a guy that puts out fires uh in certain lanes for the yankees
uh then great again i think this is a lot about like flexibility and versatility with a guy that
has you know potentially plus plus stuff so i like the deal for the yankees i don't really know
the prospects they gave up but i do know that the marlins have been trying to stack young
position players and they've been doing a banger job at this office he's
One thing Peter Benix is doing, it's stockpiling young position players.
Got four more right here.
Competition, baby.
I mean, they're doing it.
So, yeah, for the Yankees, again, if it's the move, I don't love it.
But I think it's just a move during the off season, I'm in on it.
I'm in on it.
I think that they also believe they can, you know, everyone thinks they can fix everybody.
I can fix it.
Every organization thinks they're the best at that.
I'm curious to see what they do with the pitch mix, all these things.
But I like it, Coach.
I do.
Yeah, I think there's a couple things.
The Yankees love the grouping of prospect trades.
Like, hey, yeah, take four guys of our outside of our top 14 prospects.
Like, knock yourself out.
And if something clicks good for you, they like covering themselves risk-wise that way.
And then, yeah, I mean, Ryan, you're getting a major league arm talent.
a lefty that sits 97.
And the Yankees, one of the things they're juggling right now
is they have Cole and Rodon slated to come back during the season
in May and June projected.
And, hey, let's see, injuries are one delay.
You don't know what you're going to get.
I think the stat that Talking Yanks put out yesterday,
that's where I get my Yankees news.
The Yankees now have 10 guys who have MLB starting experience
going to Paul Blackburn, Ryan Yarborough, Luis Heel,
Will Warren, a couple other guys in there,
that Ryan Weathers, they probably, like a lot of guys,
you would have him stretched out coming in a spring.
If he's looking good, you have him start.
And then if a Rodon comes back and Cole come back,
you see where your other injuries are.
But the Yankees got very left-handed hitting-wise last year,
and I started giving speeches,
and I was like, oh, you know, that makes me nervous about when those high leverage lefties come into the game.
If you look around the league, there's not a ton of high leverage lefties.
I mean, Aralda's Chapman's rebirth to kind of seal his Hall of Fame career.
You've got Josh Hader, and then you start, Adrian Mora Hone, Gabe Spire.
I don't want to put these guys down.
Gabe Spire, Team WBC.
Let's go, Gabe.
My team.
That's your team.
I'm sorry.
Let's go Italy
Matt Strom, Robleski, Ferrer
who got traded this off scene
Like, it's just, there's not a lot of guys
That have a lefty coming in
Vessia deserves some more love
A lefty coming in the game that you're like, damn,
like we're screwed.
Like it, again, I guess a little bit of it is a math equation
But let's say Ryan Weathers
Who might be another injury away from teams being like,
hey, you might want to look into the bullpen.
If Ryan Weathers, if that 97 turns into 98 or 99 out of the pen with a slider,
you might have a dude out of the bullpen, which again, for this prospect package that you're not,
you don't have even one guy circled of like he could burn us.
Yet, I think any fan base would like this, so I like it.
that's i mean immediately my mind went there with him is again when you have a guy that can do all those
different roles which i believe is the future of pitching i think teams really want that they
they're going to start to value guys they can throw multiple innings out of the bullpen and then
you get the bonus fact that hey like you're right if this stuff does tick up which it has uh you
you could you could see him being a guy that either comes in in that lefty lane or possibly closes
games out for you i do want to i do if we can do this quick
or I don't know if Bobo can do this.
He is super producer, Rob Seraco.
Dalton Fieldy had this guy on his breakout pictures list.
And it is his birthday.
Yeah.
Does he want to come on camera and give us his spiel?
Wow.
Let's get him ready.
He's getting camera ready.
I got to look at it on the birthday.
I think there was also some fantasy implications.
Cook, Dalton.
It's basically this stuff.
I mean, first off, prior to him getting traded to the Yankees, Miami,
they've kind of been just the pitching factory.
Their ability to develop pitching has been pretty uncanny.
There are some other teams like the Dodgers who've done a really good job
with developing these pitchers.
But the Marlins, like the guys they've had, Yuri Perez, Sandy.
I was hoping, Braxton Garrett prior to him getting hurt, had a good year.
They've done a really good job of developing some of these pitchers.
The Ryan Weather's lefty throwing 96-97.
I'm curious to see how the Yankees use him,
but prior to him getting traded,
I think there's a lot to like.
The biggest concern was just his ability to stay healthy.
He had multiple injuries in 2025.
He missed three months during the summer after a lat strain.
I don't believe he's done over 100 innings in his career in a season.
But the stuff, like when you watch him pitch,
he's like, man, this guy could be an absolute dude.
Some of the numbers aren't the greatest in terms of results,
but some of the expected stuff is a lot better.
So in 2026, if he starts year hot, he's someone who could also stay in the Akees rotation
even after Rodon and Cole come back from injury.
And all of that's nice, Dawn, and happy birthday.
Thank you.
Did you send Rob the picture of weather's getting hit in the head?
I did.
Okay.
That was crazy.
I think that's important for the people to see.
This was prior, this is the same game.
Rocked.
Yeah.
Just rocked.
And he got hurt later this game, right?
That's the game versus Ray's where he suffers that lat strength, too.
That's just a bad day at the office.
I mean, the catch, just like relax.
Why don't they even throw the ball down to second base anymore?
Horrible throw.
The catcher should get a warm-up throw.
I'm fine with that.
And I'll give some real Jakelletics for the people.
There are two first-round picks,
seventh overall by the San Diego Padres,
now in the Yankees rotation.
Max Fried and Ryan Weathers.
Okay.
Yeah.
I could have got that.
Eat it, Chris Rose.
You didn't even give me a chance to guess.
I wasn't going to give you a chance to guess.
People are talking this Dylan Lewis kid up.
You said that you didn't even bat an eye at.
He's got some helium, Trev.
I hope he's great, dude.
I hope the Yankees regret trading him for a decade.
Like, I don't know.
They don't even give playing time to their outfield prospects.
So what does it matter?
Just get him out of there.
Caleb Durbin
Jason Dominguez has been trying to get in the lineup for years
There's no need for this
The need for this is
The Yankees in a weird way
Do and do not have starting pitching depth
That I think
I think the hope would be
By mid-season
Cole and Rodon are back
And the Yankees would be able to trade
From their starting pitching depth
Whether that's Luis Heel
or Will Warren, Ryan Weathers,
um,
and contribute to whatever they need at the deadline.
Who knows if they're even in it at the deadline, Trev?
Louise Heel in the middle of the season for Freddie Peralta, who says no,
like Louis Heel and some, in a package?
I mean, there's already some rumors around that.
Uh, again, they feel like rumors, but, um, yeah, and hey, I,
I'm not ruling it out, you know, if, if you're the Yankees and there's,
If the Brewer said we want Healer Weathers and you're getting Freddie Peralta back, along with other stuff from the Yankees, you do that.
So, I don't know.
You brought in a talented MLB arm for a group of minor leaguers.
I'm going to sign off on that every day.
I sent Jimmy a slack this morning, which I haven't sent him a slack since September 23rd of last year.
It was the 2017
Futures game roster
There was
Of the 40 players
There was seven
That if you traded them
You'd be like crap
We traded a stud
Of the other guys
Dude yes
And that's futures game
Like that's a select
That's a select crop
Of the top prospects
And that's
Mitch Enertson
Man
I'll always go to Mitch Enertson.
Excuse me?
Houston Astros drafty 2004 comes to the Appie League
and absolutely dominated the league.
I forget how many games we play like 40-something games
you play in a short season, whatever the heck it was.
I think the guy hit like 28 bombs.
Like you, I thought I was like, oh my God, this guy's,
he's going to be the best player ever.
It just was that Mitch Enerston?
Dude, he, he, it was the best.
man. Little guy. You would have loved them.
He had this walk-up song.
He got Rouse cooking in the micro.
Like the whole thing was absurd. Coach, I'm in the middle of the Appalachian
Mountains playing baseball as an 18-year-old.
Didn't know what the hell was going on. Mitch Enerton's
blasting the ball of the ballpark. I didn't know.
You didn't know.
The league is the league, coach. That's why they called the show.
That's where, again,
if you can make the league at age 20 like Ryan Weathers did
and you're lefty with that arm town,
I'm going to believe in that over the prospects.
So we'll see what that turns into for the Yankees
who didn't have a lot of Velo pitchers.
So again, if he can turn into a bullpen option
by the end of the year or the start of the year,
you like the upside.
I'd like having that.
Let's see, Coach Red.
We haven't discussed the Rob Manfred
interview that, you know, shook up baseball with Uncle Bobby getting some clips in.
We also got some rumors.
Kyle Tucker getting offered a ton of money per year.
Bichette met with your Phillies.
Royals moved the walls in.
Where do you want to?
What do you feel the most passionate about?
I mean, the Manfred stuff is interesting to me.
And we are going to get to a point, you know, that we're going to have to start talking about some labor stuff.
And I don't know how excited I am to do that.
But I think we, when the commissioner speaks,
I think you got to listen a little bit
because he does kind of dictate the future of the game in some ways,
especially, you know, you know,
if they want to implement rules.
They can just implement rules.
It might take a year to get it done,
but they can do that.
So I'm interested to talk about him.
Okay.
Then let's, we don't have to be high and tight about it,
but we've got a, do you have the actual sound bites, Bobbo?
Yeah, okay.
They're not crank it, Robbie.
You tell me.
You have a preference?
Just send us down the ship.
That's not a phrase.
When you have a 162 game season,
you have to think all the time and listen to your fans when they're saying,
we don't feel like we have a chance to compete.
Because when people feel like they don't have a chance to compete,
they check out on you.
Three other sports have dealt with it by having a rule.
You got to spend, you know, everybody talks about the cap piece.
The cap piece comes with another piece where you have to spend.
And I think mandating a certain level of commitment in terms of spending
in the right kind of economic system can be a good thing.
Sorry, I should have teed that up a little bit better.
You're good.
I think our fans know what's going on.
And I think it's time for Trev's player speech because you've got to read through the lines there
that they're going to fight for a salary cap and the players will never do it.
that's the one thing that I you know starting out negotiations with that were like there it's just been a non-starter for decades now like that's tough I will say this just because you have a salary cap does not mean you have parity that's I mean just go I'm actually I pulled up the NBA standings I don't watch the NBA anymore since Kobe was out of it all right the pastes are nine and 31 right now I don't think they have a chance wizards 10 and 28 Nets 11 and 26 like
There are teams that just aren't going to have a chance.
And, like, I don't think a cap matters for that.
I mean, you can look around football as well.
There's a salary cap and football.
And if you're a Jets fan, like, you didn't have a chance.
You don't have my QB.
Yeah, nine.
You don't have nine.
So, I mean, like, that argument to me is just out the freaking window.
Like, cat does not mean parity.
And in fact, you know, if you're talking about Major League Baseball,
the fact that we haven't had repeat champions,
besides the Dodgers now since the Yankees and the end of the 90s.
Like I think that says something about parity.
The NFL, you know, for a while it was Patriots or Chiefs or winning the Super Bowl.
Like there were, it's, it's, I don't think it creates parity.
Now, like, I'm interested in ways to make sure we don't have organizations just completely
shipping a season.
I'm interested in that.
I don't think it, I don't think the salary.
cap is the solution to that.
I'd be interested to...
That's what I'm saying, as far as these labor negotiations are going to go,
we need to be a little bit more creative than cap and floor.
Yeah, I mean, it's...
Because it's not about that.
Like, the Rob Manfred who works for the owners,
wants a cap so they can cap their spending.
Like, that's it.
And I guess trying to even get to neutral here.
And Trev, NBA-wide,
I think the NBA has put themselves in a weird spot with their cap situation
where contracts are getting so big for guys that like big threes almost aren't possible
in the NBA right now.
Like obviously they are if, yeah, you could get there.
But the way the cap is set up, which now people are kind of like, is this,
what is this?
Is there too much parity?
And there's also not, it's, the NBA is in a weird spot right now.
I think for baseball, I mean, I would, you know, when Rob Manfred says, like, you know, teams don't feel like they can be competitive, that's a problem.
But the fact that they have to pair that argument with a cap, which they don't, but they are going to, it kind of stinks.
It kind of stinks because I originally remember fighting you on having a salary cap.
And then after seeing like the Otani contract and what what people can do in this sport,
the players will never give it up.
And there's no reason for them to, that again, trying to zoom out and trying to be as neutral as possible,
even though we're MLB shills now.
Like, I forgot. Sorry.
If you're, because at the end of the day, if you're an owner,
you should have a zoomed out perspective of what is best for the league in this crazy asset you own
and how is it going to be more valuable in 10 years
that I think being short-sighted on something of like needing a floor
of, oh, well, if we get the cap,
we can potentially save more money that way.
End of the day, the better the product your sport is,
that's better for it.
And some of these uncompetitive teams right now,
like the Pittsburgh Pirates hype train
that should be happening right now,
instead of lumping them in this conversation,
and it's horrible for like a great sports town
that, you know, we did the Cincinnati Reds
and, oh, they're in on Schwaber because he's from there.
Okay, beyond other good players.
Like, what are we doing?
Yeah, unfortunately, that's probably where a lot of these negotiations
are going to get caught up.
And I, again, Sports Jake, my original AOL screen name.
Like, at first I was like, yeah, let's get a floor in there
and make the cap massive, right?
And then seeing what's happened,
I'm not even on that.
Like, it's just not going to happen.
Yeah.
And essentially, we have a soft cap already in the league
with the competitive balance tax,
which is a self-imposed tax that owners did
to try to create more parity.
And, I mean, that hasn't really worked at all.
Right.
And then now they're complaining about that.
It's worked for the owners.
It's very, well, they're complaining about it.
you know and like a lot of them use that as a like I said like a soft cap so I again I think we need to get more creative I think development is so key in our sport because you can't you basically can't draft your way out of anything like you have to be really you got to do a great job the organizations that win in this league yes there are some that can outspend but like the Dodgers like develop really really well people always they never mention that right like they can develop the Mets are starting to get
there as well. I know they can spend, but they're starting to develop. I think the, the, the, um,
in the minor leagues, making sure that everybody has the same playing field as far as tech is a
start as far as like that to me is going to make, um, the league have more parity than anything.
So like I like that. That's like a creative solution. Uh, so I, I like that aspect of it. Um,
but yeah, again, I, we just, we just, we just,
got to get, we got to get more creative. I think once the TV deals get all settled,
more than likely there's going to be a large, a large collection of games that are not
available on regional sports networks anymore, they're going to lump all those teams together
and probably package them to an Apple, an Amazon, a Netflix, something like that. Once that gets
settled and teams are kind of like back in like, hey, we know what we're going to be getting
revenue-wise from our broadcast deal.
I think this talk will kind of go away.
There is a lot of uncertainty with these teams and their broadcasting rights right now that
I think that kind of gets them up in arms about like, where are we had in a sport?
We need a cap and all this.
I think once that gets settled, which I believe in 2027, all of those deals are up.
I think 28.
28.
Yeah.
That, yeah, no, that's going to be.
And again, we're making educated guesses here.
But it's part of the reason that we've been on like,
or there's a lot of rumors that this CBA kind of won't be the lockout, drag out,
watch out, because baseball is building towards something else,
which again, it should be exciting and a little scary,
that they kind of want to see where the landscape is in 2028,
and they want to go from there, which, again, I know we're connected at this point,
but, God, when you go through some of the rules and some of the baseball growth stuff
and hey, you know, having Babe Ruth from Japan
and having a monster of a human in New York breaking home run records,
that helps, I'll be honest.
But, like, there's been a lot of good stuff going on in the sport
that I'm very excited to see where the landscape is in 2028,
and I'm also a little horrified to see how ugly it gets
because that is going to be, that feels like it's going to be the pivot point
for the entire sport for the next, like, 30 years.
Dramatic, Jake.
Yeah, I don't.
on the lockout side of things,
I cannot see it happening right now.
There's so much momentum.
Manfred has done some great things for the sport
over the last couple years.
And obviously my tone has changed
on what he's brought
because he's gotten better.
Like, that's the truth.
I'll still call him out when I need to call him out.
But like the pitch clock has been great for the game.
The disengagement rule,
like you can kind of argue that one.
But I think bringing athletic,
back in the game is exactly what you needed.
Banning the shift of the infields.
Again, like seeing more athletic plays is what you needed.
I think that's like, you have to give Manfred credit there
because that goes against what a lot of organizations want to do.
I mean, they want to be able to kind of like puppeteer the club.
Hey, I want, you know about that.
I want to put this guy right here because that's what our data says.
What's that mean? What's that mean? You know about being a puppeteer?
I don't really know. Yeah. No, you said it in kind of a dirty way and that's just not a dirty phrase.
Like there's a lot of kinks out there. I don't think being operated as a puppet is out there.
I don't think it is. No, man. I think from some reason, my mind goes, you and puppets in a weird way.
I think if you, yeah, if you keep digging.
Okay. So yeah, I think you have to give credit when credit's due.
man. Do you want to hear him
being asked
if there will be a lockout after 2026?
Need it. Yeah.
I came inside at baseball
in 1998. We have
always played
through five or six rounds
of bargaining. We have always played
162 games.
When I came,
my goal was to make sure that
every time we bargained, we played 162
and that's my goal
this time around. I think we have to wait and see.
how things unfold the table. We got lots and lots of time to work on it. And the most important
thing for fans is certainly my goal to make sure that we played 162 games next year.
Couple of things. Well, could you imagine if he said, like, I don't really care about
playing 160 games. Yeah, that's the other thing with some of these quotes. He kind of, you know,
read through the lines a little bit. I like him flexing. We've always played 162, a little 2020
as asterisk as we always do.
But, um, and try, I don't know.
A, again, maybe we're just getting, maybe we are getting too flirty with Uncle Rob here.
Um, I feel like we need to put it on the map.
Like, we need to have beers with it.
I kind of like his talking style.
Like when he kind of disled to go like that.
And he's just like, you know, we're playing 162.
Like he, I don't know.
And then I think we could get the real answers out of it.
We've come a long way of Uncle Bobby.
Right.
Um, but that's life, people.
your heart open.
I don't know.
God, we're going to be a labor pot again, Trev.
God damn.
Marcus Schroen and I might become friends.
I'll tell you that that's for a different episode,
maybe off the, off the, yeah.
Okay.
So just mark that down, people.
As far as the 162.
Yeah.
I do want to bring that up because there are other talks about like an in-season tournament.
Can we just not even talk about that?
What?
Oh, you're out.
Okay, that's fun.
Oh, my God, I'm so freaking out.
Are people into the NBA in-season tournament?
And how could you be?
Well, the Knicks hung a banner this year, so yes.
It's unbelievable, coach.
That to me is a participation trophy.
I thought we were getting rid of those.
What are we doing?
I think we've got to table this,
because I know you watched the plan everyone agreed on
that Jimmy O'Brien put together, aka John Boy.
He's into, and I think my guy, Smoltsy, is leading the way
that they have some in-season tournament ideas.
I don't know.
I naturally land where you land, that I'm less like,
this is icky.
We're literally making something up for us to care about it,
which in a way is also sports.
But...
Does the in-season tournament, if you win it, does it mean anything?
or you're just the champion of the in season tournament?
So in basketball, it means nothing,
which that's part of the problem.
It's literally to get guys to care more.
They get a little extra money,
which is nice, you know,
the bench guys that aren't making a ton of money.
Like, that's kind of a cool thing for them.
Baseball, they want to get creative
that, like, you can lock in a playoff spot
or you can lock in something that matters,
which, again, that there's a weird side of that.
that you're starting to mess with the sanctity of 162
and everything we preach a lot,
that I would have to hear all the theories
and then I guess where I get nervous is
it feels like if you do that,
getting out of it feels so hard to do that,
I don't know.
I don't have fully formed thoughts on it, yeah.
I have a fully formed thought, no.
Okay.
Okay.
I think we actually,
actually have a great all-star game.
So, like, I don't want to replace that.
I do like that.
The only in-season tournament I'm interested in is the Olympics.
I'm very curious to see how that goes.
They already kind of have one with a WBC that happens every three years.
So, like, let's keep that.
I think we're in a good place with our tournaments, okay?
And our, like, in-season tournament that you just win, like, a thumbs up,
but like, no, I'm out on that, coach.
I'm out, I'm out.
162 is interesting to me, though,
because I played a lot of 162s.
I do feel like it's a little long.
And it hasn't always been 162.
I believe since 1962, it's been 162.
Nice, Trev.
But 154 was the norm for a long time,
and can we get there?
I think a lot of players will be into that.
There are some negatives towards players,
like, you know, probably means less call-ups in a way.
It means possibly less revenue for teams,
which could trickle down into player salaries.
But 154 and having like every Monday off,
I think feels right to me.
It feels right to me.
Like take a breather.
And scarcity is king, man.
Like anything that's like very popular,
it's just, it's scarcity.
It's the reason football is so damn popular.
Hmm.
Yeah.
I,
the one, the 150,
gets really interesting to me.
Just with the, and Trev, this might not help,
but it's for pitchers.
Like the way bullpens get used,
I think it was in Jimmy's plan that everyone agreed on.
Make sure you go check out that breakdown if you haven't.
I think he had an, he had the American League had Mondays off
and the National League had Thursdays off.
And that really made my head spin in a good way
Because, dude, with the amount we use bullpens
And the amount of creatures of habits that athletes are
And we are as fans, like watching baseball every day is kind of grindy
That if you could start scheduling a day in your week
That you know your team isn't going to play
And maybe you can also highlight the other league on that day
Like, you know, NL Mondays could be kind of lit.
Al Thursdays, thirsty Thursdays, dollar beers would,
adult tonight.
I think there's something
with where the game is at,
like, dude,
bullpins are going to get used.
Like, there's nothing we're ever
going to be able to combat it.
I know we've talked about
multi-inning bullpins,
but bullpins are here.
They're going to be so here forever.
We were laughing.
We have a magazine here
with the 2003 Yankees rotation.
Just a hilarious picture, A?
George Steinbrenner in the middle
of his five-star
pictures. Hell fucking yeah.
I know we need more of that. More front
facing owners. That's right.
Ooh, we do. You've been on that. We do need a celebrity owner.
Dude, I forgot how much you cooked during the expansion episode.
You had owners lined up for the teams. That was awesome.
Bullpenes are going to be used that if you can factor in that off day every week,
like that might be healthier for bullpen arms. You can, I don't know.
There's definitely something there. But the way that that,
that 100, that those eight games would be negotiated over,
I feel like would be so ugly that to see a league cut back on games,
that feels,
I feel like we're too gone as an American economy for owners to sign off on that.
Whoa.
Interesting.
I don't know, man.
I mean, eight games,
what are we talking about?
What's the lost revenue in eight games?
If it creates a better product.
We don't know.
Okay.
I'm also fine with 162.
I mean, I'm not like hating on 162.
It is a grind.
I think you need baseball is a sport that you need a lot of games.
It is.
I'm just saying you get rid of eight games, coach.
Right.
Manfred doesn't go into how many games a year or anything like that,
but do you want to hear his thoughts on realignment and expansion?
Yes, I do.
Need it.
I would like to expand.
I think 32 would be good for us.
And, you know, fundamentally, it's just,
There's a lot of cities like to have major league baseball.
When people want your product, you ought to try to find a way to sell it to him.
It's kind of basic.
Number one.
So do it from the top.
And again, we joke about becoming MLB Shills, and I'm saying, I want to have beers with Manfred.
Just listen to his talking pattern in this.
Is this not like, I think he used to get made fun of for this because he'd be doing press conferences
where you expect someone to be talking professionally.
He talks like a dude at a bar.
Do it again.
I would like to expand, I think 32 would be good for us.
And, you know, fundamentally, it's just a lot of cities like to have major league baseball.
When people want your product, you ought to try to, you know, find a way to sell it to them.
It's kind of basic.
Number one.
Number two, it does a ton of a for us from a format perspective.
You would realign, you would do it along geographic lines, which would alleviate, could alleviate a ton of the travel burden that's on players.
So if you realign geographically, you would look more like other sports.
where you play up east into the World Series
and West into the World Series.
I think if you did it, you'd probably be eight fours, right?
And I think you would try to keep the two team cities separate.
Separate.
Treves?
As far as having beers with Rob Bannford, I'd do it.
I wanna take him out on the golf course
to give him a spanking out there.
He's a 12, we looked it up.
I came inside at baseball.
So you'd want to keep him in check a little bit.
The problem is I might lose him
because I'm not exactly some awesome golf.
Right. Rob might turn it on for a couple holes
and now he's got you, Alfoot.
Yeah.
If he alfuss me on the golf course,
I don't know what I'll do.
By the way, we should probably just have him on the show.
Like, I think we can do that.
Rob, if you want to take me out to Wingfoot, I'm in, you know.
Also in.
As is Rob.
Dalton probably out.
It's okay.
I'll take you to Calabasas's Country Club, Rob.
Come on.
Okay, this is not.
This is far away from expansion.
What are we talking about?
About realignment expansion.
I guess the two interesting things for me is he throws out the 18 thing very like flippantly.
Like, oh, yeah, we wouldn't do the pods of four.
But they've talked about it a lot before.
And I guess zooming out, which I've said probably too many times, zooming out,
Rob Manfred, the commissioner of baseball, was on a national radio show saying,
Yeah, 32 teams.
Like that's real.
I mean, yeah.
I know we've already done this, but that's real.
That's crazy.
Everybody knows that's coming.
It's just where.
Just where the teams are going to be.
I'm totally in for the realignment.
I do like regional matchups.
I'd have to have him kind of sell me on the no two city teams playing in the same league.
I want to know why you do that.
Like I would, I think it's cool to have the.
two, like the city have to like go up against each other.
I did think that was interesting that you,
you thought that was something they were almost going to capitalize on
and it seems like they're shying away from that,
which I don't fully know what that is.
And yeah, I'm kind of with you.
Like I, because right now, like the chargers and the Rams,
I'm just thinking about this from that perspective.
They play in the same building, Jake.
And the Clippers and the Lakers, same thing.
When they had, they're playing at Staples, now crypto.
arena.
Were this,
the Lakers and Clippers were also in different conferences,
correct? Or were they not?
I mean, they're both in the Western
Conference. I, I, oh, so they were together then.
They're in the Western Conference. I don't know about the same division.
I'm not great with that with NBA.
Yeah, I'm not either.
It's never felt like it mattered.
Let's just go football. Okay.
I feel like the Chargers would benefit greatly
if they got to play the Rams in like a division game.
Right now the Chargers are a forgotten team in L.A.
I promise you that.
Yeah.
They'd benefit greatly if it was like,
hey, this is a divisional matchup against the Rams.
Be nice if Joe Alt was out there too to help Herbert.
No, you're absolutely right.
Like if the Rams and Chargers play two games every year
and the Chargers, the Chargers then could have an uprising fan base,
kind of like the Clippers do now.
My guy, Adam DeVine, he's courtside.
Clippers and Lakers are in the Pacific Division.
Okay.
That makes a lot of sense because they do,
they're very geographic.
in the NBA, right?
Yes, that's how they have it laid out.
Okay.
Except for Oklahoma City in the Western Conference.
Yeah, I mean, that middle of the country gets tricky.
I think they made the right choice.
I think so.
Let's, I know there's some other Uncle Rob quotes.
I think we could pocket them for now
because we've been cranking and we still have to give the people our C.
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Trev, I know I gave some warm stove at the start of this.
We're a week removed from Kyle Tucker and Bobichette rumors would have led this show.
And here we are about an hour deep.
Kyle Tucker, and this is kind of what we were guessing,
but supposedly the Mets have offered 50 million per season
on a short-term three-year contract.
I think there was also Dodger rumors
that they're at four years for a similar price.
Very interesting.
And Ken Rosenthal is saying that, you know,
the smoke is picking up on Tucker.
He wouldn't be surprised if a signing happens this week or soon.
What was that?
Well, I'm actually going to one up, Ken Rosenthal.
I wouldn't be surprised if it happens today, tomorrow, next week or next month.
Damn, dog.
Why you got to dunk on the homie like that?
I just think it's a hilarious quote.
No, it was.
As I was reading the quote, I was like, what?
Sometimes soon?
That's a bail.
That's a bail on a quote.
Or a pretty calculated guy.
That's him bailing mid-sentence.
I agree.
I'm sorry, Kenny.
I love you, short kings for life.
But you bailed on that one.
And then Bichette meets with your Phillies,
which the second you heard that,
you kind of got aged up because you're like,
this lines up perfectly.
I don't know, we'll see.
Boston supposedly is up their offer.
These are the two big hitters left.
Crazy we don't add Eugenio Suarez.
I guess where are you at with the whole-
Ranger?
Yeah.
Where are you at with the AAA stuff?
Okay.
A-A-B.
Yeah.
I'm going to ask you this question.
I threw it at Chris Rose hypothetical.
You're Kyle Tucker.
Rumors are,
and this is kind of unfair
that this keeps getting brought up to him,
but the rumors are out there
that he's not like a baseball rat type guy.
I don't know him personally.
I never played with him.
You know, like have I heard things?
Like maybe.
But just say you're not.
10 years is a long time
to continue playing baseball.
It's a long time.
Eight years is a long time
to continue playing baseball.
especially if you're not in love with it.
Some guys, I just read the Bryce Harper
almost on a 20-year deal with the Phillies.
Like the guy loves the game.
It's all he wants to do.
There are people like that, and there are people that aren't like that.
Like, I never was a guy that was like, I'm going to play till I'm dead.
I never was like that.
I love the game, but like I also like loved stuff outside the game.
So like, I'm like, oh gosh, I think I'm more like Kyle Tucker
than like an Alex B.
Bregman or Bryce Harper.
Checking in on yourself.
I like that.
Yeah, that kind of, that stinks.
Although I'm still working in baseball, so maybe I'm just an idiot.
Yeah.
I think if you were hard for me and I wasn't that good.
How about that?
Yeah, I think if you were still raking, I think you'd be fine, still playing.
I don't know.
You do like love your family and shit.
Some of my mentors, like Josh Willingham, he passed on a $4 million contract.
He's like, I'm done.
I don't want to play anymore.
Big Willie style.
I think a lot of like the guys that I like looked up to,
like we're like yeah definitely more like family guys we're just like yeah i got mine i'm gonna go
be a dad now yeah whatever what am i talking about right now this is real life advice sheesh my question to
you jay yes is if you're that kind of person and like yeah like you know there was rumors floated around
that you're going to get 10 years 400 million dollars plus or you know whatever the heck it was
but now you're thinking like well you know that would have been nice but yeah 10 years a lot if i can
get three years and I'm going to get 150 million dollars and then I could probably just like
go away.
What would you rather have?
It depends on the person and that's the whole the whole conversation you're having and
I don't know.
Also financially, which I know you're crushing it.
Yeah, thank you.
Silver stock 200.
Like $150 million now if you're getting it without deferrals.
That 10 year deal surely would come with deferrals.
Like, is it that big of a difference present day money and, like,
the things you could do with it when you have the money up front in a short amount of time?
Again, I'm, I shouldn't be the person probably talking to society about this,
but I know there is an equation there.
And I guess, like we've been talking about with the opt-outs,
I think that would be an interesting part of the Tucker conversation.
Because maybe Kyle Tucker doesn't know.
Like, maybe he actually hits 33 and he's like, actually,
I would hate not being at the field.
Like, I don't know.
I have no clue, but I know $50 million a year going back to your salary cap or not having one.
Like, no, it's really sick.
And maybe this is where I should put my target at the NBA.
NBA, when they're talking free agency and trades right now, it gets so ugly, so quick.
You have to, like, know the CBA.
There's a bunch of weird rules that tie in.
and at a certain point, think just nothing's on the table.
Kyle Tucker at 50 million a year is on the table.
Kyle Tucker for one year 65 mil on the table.
And that's kind of, I do think that's a beautiful thing the sport has
that they should not lose.
Agreed.
Nice.
Full tie-in.
50 million.
50 million for a year of playing baseball.
We're talking like, yeah, like have those rules.
Rumors of him being like that?
Like, have that really hurt him?
I think, and this is pure opinion,
and it ties into Bregman's contract,
and it ties in baseball, not a copycat league.
There's a lot of similar analytics guys
in every team's front office,
and I think all the analytics guys
have started to realize that those long-term contracts
just don't work.
Well, dude, starting to realize that's crazy.
But you're paying to get those guys on your team for the five years that it was going to work
and the two years at the end that it wasn't.
You just deal with it.
The New York Yankees in the year of 2022 had all right-handed hitters because their smart people
said, well, they can reach the short port as righties.
Oh, so can all the lefties.
So sometimes we give these nerds a little too much credit.
I'm just talking about that before the show.
I think for years they thought that keeping the A.A.V.
down for longer years was the smart move.
And I think recently they were like,
actually, let's just pay them while they're good.
I think, again, I think sometimes we just move,
we just move too fast, or not fast enough.
Or nerds aren't that smart.
Except when they save Trevor's life on the airplane.
That matters to me.
And I told people that story.
Oh, thank you.
Yeah, I don't know.
You got struck by lightning in the sky, dog.
I am...
I'm here.
I feel like I feel like I got to recharge.
I'm going to the gym right after this.
I already got my gym clothes on.
I don't want to get into like analytics.
I'm a big proponent of data-driven decisions.
But sometimes, coach, you just got to find the right guys.
Sometimes, coach, you got to overpay a little bit to get the right guy on your team.
You'll worry about that six year later.
And that was life advice.
Kyle Tucker signs with.
I think it depends on Bellinger.
Yeah.
Like,
Mets seem great,
but if the Mets decide,
hey,
we want Bellinger and he signs with them,
then Kyle Tucker's going to be looking for a seat.
I'll go Dodgers.
Why not?
There's the rumor out there.
The Dodgers are not even close to 50 a year.
Short term still,
but they're like, yeah,
come play on our team.
We're going to win a four series.
Hey, dog.
So if that's the case, then it's the Mets.
Because if he's going to take,
and I'm assuming this is going to be a three-year,
$140 million deal, maybe $150, if that's true,
with opt-outs after every single one.
And the Mets will be like, yeah, sure.
Yeah.
Him and Soto.
Okay.
All right, people.
That was Wednesday, January 14th.
We will, uh,
Hey, I think if Bo or Tucker,
Where are the Framber and Ranger rumors?
Yeah.
That we might come live to you if we can.
Jake sucks.
I got to make this point really quickly.
Framber Valdez put out a 20-minute video
explaining why he's not a bad teammate.
Why isn't Kyle Tucker going on a tour saying,
I love ball, I want to play ball?
Dispel the rumors.
Who's your agent?
Who's giving you advice?
You're losing $100 million or more.
Yeah, I'm sorry of it.
