Talkin' Baseball (MLB Podcast) - Selecting the FINAL 2023 All-JM Team! | 747

Episode Date: November 8, 2023

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Hello and welcome to talking baseball. It's time to crown some all-j-j-M winners. Silver daisies, do we got any? Maybe. Stay tuned. Listen up. Hello and welcome to talking baseball. We are coming to live from the owner's suite here in Jersey City.

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Is that the main shot? What shot are we using anyway? Trev's here. And in person, Jake's got a nice hat on. Yeah. What's your hat saying? Pedlar's Fork. Shout out Robbie.

Shout out Robbie. Yeah. How are you guys doing? Doing well. I'm happy to be in person. All these ebs are so much more fun when we're together. It doesn't happen that often. So we had a nice day here in the warehouse.

And honestly, I've put 2023 season behind me already. Like I'm on a 2024. Craig Counselor is the difference maker. We all get it. But we have some tidying up to do with this. And as we've kind of peaked into our sheet, there's going to be some discussion. It's exciting.

I was excited James Trev Davis, all in person for AllJM. And last year, AllJM was a pretty big up for us. So I was excited that the people leaned into it. We've leaned into it. And we know the players tune in. So there's going to be some heartstrings and kind of what Trev was saying. For me, this is the final bow on 23. Like this is it.

This is my final hour 15 on 2023 and it's hova. Okay. So I'm excited to give out some pedals, maybe some daisies, John. I think there is a silver daisy. Might be a couple. Let's get right into it then. We start in the AL. And we start behind the dish.

With a hard one. To me. To me it's hard. It's a hard one for Trev. We got top four. I'm looking in front of me. And again, if this is your first time tuning in, this is the easiest of the age,

all jam for you to follow. It's the whole season from it. Yes. It's not just September. Farm and table. Yeah. So we got a Janer Diaz, Jonah, Galeigh, and Adley,

Rushman. With an honorable mention of Sal Perez down of Kansas City. Not down. Yeah. Your guy. Yeah, we're down. It is my guy, Sal. Trev, what makes this a tough decision for you on these guys? Well, I guess we'll go through who we've picked all year long.

This is not a daisy spot Jonah Heim in April. Adley Rushman in May. Jonah Heim again in June. Johnaheim again in July. Adley in August. So it's been a two-horse race. And it kind of is that for me again. Adley, I like the OBP that he brings.

He's going to be at 374. 92 walks to 101 strikeouts. You guys know I love that. I love the one-to-one ratio. He's played it in the most games. Jonah Heim has the defensive stats. I believe he just won the gold glove in the AL for catchers. Check me on that, but I think that's true.

I have two guys that I'm deciding with. I think I have a lean. Do you want me just to give my pick? or I guess I'll half tee it up a little more for me if if you told me to pick between Hyman rally I don't know if we'd ever get out of here okay I am leaning adly because the on-base percentage is the only thing that jumps out like of you know a couple of the defensive stats listed the counting stats everything else I mean the slugging it everything seems to balance out with these guys the only thing that feels like an outlier is the fact

that Adley Rushman gets on base at, what, a 3-74 clip. So that, we're looking for difference makers, and that's kind of the only thing I see. I see games played. I mean, Adley played the whole season. Catcher DH, 154 games. Diaz has great numbers. His offense is there, his pops there, sluggings there. Dusty's out of town now, so he gets his shot next year, you know?

Maldi and Dusty, maybe they're in the sunset together. I have no idea. but Adley Rushman is my guy for this. And yeah, he has, it's close. Some slash lines he's not winning, but the fact that he went kind of pole to pole behind the dish, playing the position, and I love the walk rate.

I love the walk rate and strikeout rate. I mean, he's got the lowest K rate and the highest walk rate out of these four dudes. So, that's for me. Let's not forget Cal Raleigh in Seattle. I think the 30 homers maybe pops off the page a little bit, right? Adley with 20. Janier Diaz with 23 in the short amount of time.

So if you're going like homers per game, Yanier's got it. Or is it Yainer. Why do I keep saying Yonnier? It's Yainer. What am I doing? I'm dusty. Sorry about that.

So did you go Adley? Or did you just want Adley? I think we both are Adley. I think we're both Adley. So that means you get the freedom to make someone else's day. If you had to pick between Haimorale, I'm interested where you would go. Both very good defensively.

Heim was gold glove. I think if I had to pick, though, I'd go Raleigh just because he's got the 30 homers and he also plays banger defense. So I'm going to give this one to Cal Raleigh, though, because he played enough games. I mean, 145 games, he's there. I'll give my vote to Cal.

You guys got Adley and snaps for Adley. Might be, he might win a couple all J-M teams coming up. He continues. All right, we got another. wide Diaz top the list at the first base position. That's Yandi Diaz. And he is up for Silver Daisy.

He has won every single month of this stretch coming to try and steal the spot. Vladimir Guerrera Jr. He made this list? Yes. That was just to piss off all the Blue Jays fans that are always mad. Nathaniel Lowe and Josh Naylor. Oh, 20 people just got so upset. There's an honorable

Honorable mention of Tristan Kosses and Spencer Torkelson. I think we can go ahead and just kind of declare our first Silver Daisy winner. First base, what happened? Gladdy, let's go, dude. It's been that way. We talk about this. First base is kind of

like the new rest day or can kind of do that with guys. Put some utility guys go there sometimes. I agree with that sentiment, Jake. But Yandi numbers aren't the best of a bad bunch. His numbers are awesome. Yes.

You know what I mean? It's not like. Yandi deserves all the love. It's just kind of like fellas. I, yes. But his numbers are amazing. They're great. I mean, a 522 slug on the year.

He honestly, he has a 3-4-5. Yes. The coveted 3-4-5. 3-11 average. Where the fuck of that? 4-10 on base, 522 slugging. So that's a great year from Yandi Diaz. I agreed the rest of the staff.

Step it up. It was like an ace of no one else if this was a rotation. But Yandi gets it. And that's a silver. I mean, that's real class. So, congratulations. I mean,

that's. I will also say Vladdy has a daisy. So the, the AL first base position has, has given out daisies. Have a good year. Yeah. Win a daisy.

Maybe there's always a cream of the crop. Speaking of cream of the crop, this is also easy. This is another guy that's up for a silver daisy. Another guy that I believe just ran away with his position. This is Marcus Simeon at second base. We also have Joseo Alto. Altuve, Brandon Drury,

Glaiboré, Honor will mention as Jimenez, and my guy, Le Bon Fraper, Eddie Julian, out of Minnesota, but Marcus is 106, all games, not just 162. Lebon Fraper?

Lebonne for a per? Le Bonne for Ponce. That is the good hitter. I don't know if we keep track of individual votes. I don't know if Simeon has gotten like, I think Yandi, all three of us every month have been, he's the pick. No one's ever gotten a vote.

I don't think Simeon has, because I think I voted for Altuva in the past, and looking at it again, I love Altuve's number. But, oh, you're not in on the all, like, Simian crush this, because I am. I don't think it's close. It's defense helps out a ton. I mean, offensively, Altube's got awesome numbers.

Did Al-Tube only play 90 games? Yeah. So that's what it is. And Simeon played 162. You're right, Trep. You're not even. What Altuva's numbers landed at for 90 games is absurd. This is, well, this is.

76 runs and 90 games. He, you know what? He could have won. July, August, September. He didn't. Yeah. Simian played almost double the games and he doubled them in triples. So the math adds up right. Yep. Doubled in doubles too, 21 for all two by 40 for Simions. Simian ends up 29 homers, 100 ribby's right on the nose. 72 walks to 110 strikeout. So that's a pretty good ratio there. The defense has been awesome. And remember this guy left shortstop, man. Like I love that he's changed positions and was a stud. Are we, I'm going to,

following simian. That 162 with the numbers and the defense at simian. Silver Daisy. Hell of a 90 games for El Tuvae, though. Yeah. And that's not forget, Marcus Simian also played every single game in the playoffs, too. So I think it's the second most games ever except Matt Sui. Did he do?

It was him and Matt Sui, yeah. Do you think he's tired? Yeah. Yes, I do. I do. I don't think he is. I think he's different. Okay.

He's got that intensity in his eyes. Where do you think he went on vacation? He could breathe because he's got the ship, bro. You know, Samian, where's he going on vacation? Okay, I mean, he's been in Northern California for a long time. I think he's, I think he probably takes it to somewhere where he can just chill. Beachy is what I'm thinking. I was definitely a real thing.

Self the equator. He's not going to the Vatican. I mean, like, I don't want to say Fiji because he's got, I think he's got young kids. Oh, that's a bad flight with young kids. Hawaii. Maybe just Hawaii. Yeah, good job. Congratulations on Hawaii.

Go your trip to Hawaii. And then they send the kids. I think they, They go early. The kids hang out with grandma for two days. And they do like a weekend alone. Then the kids join them with grandma on vacation. All right.

Moving on to the AL shortstop position. Trev, do you want to read us the past winners here? I will. So Jorge Mateo in April for Baltimore was a gangster. So he got in April. Wander Franco, Wander Franco.

And then it was the Corey Seeger show. He won it in July. He won it in August. And if I'm looking at the numbers right now, I'll read off the guys we have. It's Bo Bichette. It's J.P. Crawford. It's Corey Seeger.

It's Bobby Witt with a late push there. Gunner Henderson is going to be nominated with the third baseman. So he's an honorable mention here. But if I'm looking at these numbers, guys, he only played 119 games, but he's got more doubles and more homers than any other player. I think Bobby Witt might have him in the... Nope, he has more extra base hits in 119 games than anybody else. did. So the numbers he put up

offensively are great. Defense not as good as Bobby Wood Jr. As far as F-4 defense, but I think I'm leaning Seeger. 169, way to run, it's created plus. He almost 346ed it with a 327, 390, 623.

He ended up with a 1.013 OPS, and to me it's Corey Seeger. Yeah, I mean, this becomes a game of, and we started doing this around mid-season when we were like, how many games at Seeger play. When you go, I think if you go Bichette v. Crawford, Crawford would give me a slight lean, just defense and on base percentage.

When you go Crawford, Bobby Witt, Bobby Witt, if we did our OPSS stat on base plus slugging, he would be in a silly area. I mean, he had 49 stolen bases this year. And I think he got a little bit jobbed in the gold glove voting. I don't know if he should have won, but he should have been at least a finalist who's really good this year. 30-30. 30-30 that.

I agree with your gold glove opinion. Corey Seeger. Who got it for a... Volpey. That's right, Volpey did. Corey Seeger had 164 less at bats than Bobby Witt, whose numbers are great. And in those 164 less at bats,

he out doubled him 42 to 28, out-humored him. He out-homered everyone. He had 150 less at bats than everyone else. Yes, yes. So the counting numbers are there and the slug and the slash line is way there. Is he going to finish second in the MVP?

So, yeah, so Chris Rose asked me this question. I'm curious to see what you guys say. Is this, can this be considered one of the greatest individual seasons of all time? Knowing what we know now in the playoffs, he won the whole thing, one MVP. Like, I know he missed some games. So, like, you can hold that against.

him a little bit, but like the way he played and the way it finished, he might have, you know, it's one of the best seasons that's ever been played. The Yanke, I know people hate this. The Yankee fan and me just, like, boiled to a fucking rage. That the Rangers picked up Simian and Seeger

and they won the World Series and they're both getting MVP contention and the Yankees desperately needed a shortstop. And they said, nah. Well, they got the gold glove winner. I apologize. This isn't tugging.

talking about. I'm boiling with rage right now. Fuck, Seeger. Congrats. Congrats, Sieger. The best seasons ever. Left. Dude. Lefty, simple, dude. Click, click, click, click, click.

Please, please, please. Please, please. All right, we're moving on to third base. Do you know that joke yet? I don't. I don't want to know. Do you guess that's too many inside jokes for me now? No, no.

No, no. No, no. You're going to love this one. During the live streams. So Austin Hedges comes up to the plate. Okay. And that first one's serious. Oh, okay. That was Rose's tweet. And well, but Jake, before that tweet came out, Jake goes to the live stream,

he goes, you know the horniest guy in the world is right now. And, you know, be like Joe's, like Chris Rose. And then after setting that table, someone pulls up the tweet and Rose tweeted, please, please, please. All Chris Rose could muster. Yeah. Please, please. Horny's treat. It was a quick at bat, too.

Yeah. That was a quick one. All right. We are on the third baseman. This is a tough one. This is tricky. So April, my guy, Matt Chapman, and then it was Josh Jung. Jose Ramirez, Jose Ramirez, Jose Ramirez.

So Jose caught fire at the end of the season. And now, can you read it? Because I just lost. Yeah, yeah. Dabbers. Henderson makes the list at the end here. Isak Paratus led the raise and home runs. And Jose Ramirez.

and uh, Isak got a fighting chance here in my opinion, but I don't, Devers also finished pretty strong, uh, offensively. Yeah, shoot.

This is a tough one. We got a bunch of guys with, you know, close to 30 homers, uh, the RBI are high as well. Um, the slash lines are eerily similar.

No one's really running away with this. And the slash lines are very similar. Yeah. And so are the walk and strong. strikeouts beside Henderson who shook out a ton. Devers... So for people who are wondering how close are they, Devers ended up with an 851 OPS. Gunner Henderson ended up with an 814 OPS. Issaq Paredes ended up with an 840 OPS, and Jose Ramirez ended up with an 831 OPS.

So these are very similar offensive players. The weighted runs created plus is 124 for Devers, 123 for Henderson, 137 for Paredes, and 123 for J-RAM. I mean, this is close offensively. J. Ram's got the stolen bases. 28 bags. The next closest person is 10, so I think that makes me lean that way. I'd like to give that a little. I know you've been our honorable mention guy.

Bregman and Josh Young, honorable mention. A.L. 3rd base. Hot. It's been hot. Yeah. Everything I said about A.L. first base, I like what I'm seeing here. But I don't know how do you split this up? 28 stolen bases is a pretty good, like, we talked about how offensively it's all there.

and J. Ram's a positive on defense where Devers, you know, per the stats, which I don't even really trust. I don't know I'm saying it, but they're negative. E.S. That's a lot. He's hit 20 times. Nice. That's a lot.

He's big and he's kind of over the plate. But they never intentionally walked him. So that's a knock on a Paredes. No one ever was like, ah. Let's just go around this guy. I don't even know how to pronounce his own. They had a really big offense for a while there, too. Jose Ramirez has 73 walks.

of 73 strikeouts. You know that tickles my fancy. So he's got me there and the stolen bases. I think I'm ready to, he has got the most games played, most at bats. He's got the most penalties. Most hits. Most doubles. I'm locked in. Is there a Gunner Henderson argument? Nope. Not on my

page. J. Ram. I mean... But yes, there is. There's an argument for all these guys. There's a really good stacked position. They all deserve love. Can't do it. You know? I'm going Jose. Ramirez. This isn't the 60s anymore. I'm going J-ram. There's a part of J-Ram that feels cop outy because these numbers are so close

but I do think if this was even a blind taste test we would all land on J-RAM because he has the only separators between stolen bases or not striking out those are literally the only difference and he's a switch hitter he's really good yeah man on the shorter side

congratulations I think you just get snaps claps are only for silver daisy winters but I like the depth at the position yeah okay wow and things are about to get messy why don't you guys start sorting out what you think Okay. Fuck.

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We'll see you this holiday season. You know, I love to have some big, bold reds during the holiday season. I'm going to be using some water boy. Yeah, I am. And you're right. This is a mess in the outfield. There's a lot of players. There's the Aaron Judge Factor, 106 games play, but he's a monster.

I'm not going to read all the selections for this. The last two months, there is nobody up for a silver daisy. Last two months, it's been Adelisse Garcia, Louis Hrabber, Kyle Tucker. And then in August it was Louis Hrabber, Julio Rodriguez, and Kyle Tucker. So it's kind of been all over the place. Rosa Rana had the first three months, fell off a little bit. Luis Röber last three months, but not the first two months. So it's kind of all over the place.

We can kind of make our selections free of any of those. So I do have... Who's the center fielder? I do have a path for us, because for those, if you are new, we do need a center fielder. That's a requirement. We treat center field as a unique position. Otherwise outfielers can kind of play the outfield.

So that's pretty easy then. Well, it's Luis Ravr. Rubber. And Julio Rodriguez. who, I mean, their numbers, ain't too far off. I think there's a world where they can both make it, but that starts to get a little crazy itself.

Julio's a centerfielder. I think his numbers are just a little bit better than Lubbob. So I'm going to go ahead and cast my vote for centerfielder. Then we can kind of work on the corners. If you guys want to do your center field vote, I think there's enough there for me. Can you explain why you have Julio over Lubom? I'm not saying it's wrong,

but I'm interested. Okay. Well, games, played appearances at bats, doubles, homers. Oh, no, Homers is, gosh, that is so small right now. Homers is Lubbob. Runs is Julio. RBI is Julio. Like, there's a lot of things for me.

It's pretty close. They're very similar in a lot of ways. Julio's got 17 more bags. Um Six more caught stealing Lubb's got 6 more 38 homers from a center fielder And and does

Lubbubb grade out better defensively He's got better I think they both grade out Pretty well Yeah Very similar Is one of these guys not getting a

A pedal if they don't get center field That's what I'm saying I think both of these guys are potentially in play You think so? But it does feel odd having two outfielders That have OPSs in the sevens Yes The outfield?

Like you're looking for pop pop Center feel is his own thing But there's also not a lot of other runaway guys I don't think these guys are getting another outfield spot Here's some of the other guys we're considering Besides that so Rosarena I mean Adelis Aaron Judge

Kepler, Josh Lowe, Chas Bacormick, Santander, and Kyle Tucker. Oh, Santander. Jesus was a carpenter. Kerry Carpenter's on our honorable mention list. Right. I think I'm going to put the onus on John here. I think I'm going Luis Robert. Okay.

I liked his numbers better too, which is why I was interested. Why Trev said it was a runaway. I thought it was a great follow-up by you, Jake. I was trying to figure. out what numbers you saw. Every counting stat besides homers is

Julio and similar defense, more bads. I mean, doubles are even. Well, they're not because he's got one more. He's got one more triple. I mean,

those are even. He's got 12 more runs. 12 more runs. He's got 23 more runs driven in. I mean, Robert's on the white socks. I'm just saying, you can't control who's hidden behind him

and in front of them. This is a. Stink. You guys tell me all the time this is a results-based industry. It is. I am always telling you that. Yes. For awards, we can't go predictive stats.

I like J-Rod's stolen bases. But I don't like the caught stealing. That's a lot. Better walk percentage, less K percentage. Yeah. Lubbob's outslugging them. Just out-slugging. Higher OPS.

Higher weighted runs created plus. It's very, Even. Very even. I'll go Jayrod because I feel like more Mariners fans are tuning in than White Sox fans. Wow. Wow. Welcome to the real world.

Wow. Okay, so center field is out. Center field is out. Congrats, Julio. There is an argument to be made we established with Seeger how he had less games and less at bats, but he got there with a lot of the counting numbers. And Judge got to 37 home runs, which puts some third. on this list behind Garcia and Robert. So we need to decide if you guys think Judge played enough games

and did enough in those games because if he's out, it changes wildly. If you think he got to the counting numbers, the only one on this list that has a one dot OPS, 1.019, 613 slugging. The only one on this list that has a 613 slugging, 4.06. No one else is even in the nines for OPS. Yeah, but it was less game. So like, okay, you can have a better slash line unless game.

So did he do enough in the counting numbers, like we said with Seeger in that small time? He's played for a horrible team. You got to remember. If we didn't give him anything the last three months, how can we give him all a sudden September through? Because he played all of September. You think that September surpassed those other three months? I don't know, man.

We did just give it to Corey Seeger with 119 games played, but there was nobody really close to him. So Judge, and I made the argument that his counting stats were with his fellow men. And Judge has 37 homers. And he has 75 RBIs. We're looking at, there's a lot of people on this list with less or right around there. So I'm 88 walks, nine intentional walks. Take that. I'm going to look up one thing. But I think it could not. But it will change the tone a little bit. because Aaron Judge was banged up at different points this year, so he DHed a little more. Aaron Judge only played 67 games in the outfit.

He had 38 DH days. So I think with that all in, I don't think Judge... Yeah, I think he's not as well for me. That's fair. That's fair. Can I just give a... Can I nominate someone there? Yeah, you nominate. I also want to nominate, but you go first.

I will nominate a guy named Kyle Tucker. Okay, he's on my list. I mean, 140 weighted runs created plus 886 OPS 517 slugging, 369 on base percentage, 284 average. You like all of those. The strike, the walk rate is the highest or second highest among the qualified players here, while the strikeout rate is the lowest amongst the players we're looking at. so also grabbed 30 bags. Yeah, it always sneaks up on you.

I'm in on Kyle Tucker. I'm in on Kyle Tucker. He's got the, he has the best offensive numbers. Houston fans. It's kind of a win for me because I nominated him. It's me crazy Uncle Jake, Houston fans. Oh, he's a stuff. His defense said it didn't rate out well this year.

So did it feel that way or no? But he traditionally plays great defense. By who? He had sports. Because Bobby Witt crushed outs above average and DRS hated him. And gold gloves like, dude, gold glove has a big stink guy on it right now.

Like a big, we're watching you. This is a suspect award. People are starting to not trust the gold glove process anymore. And when I say people, I mean me. And then when I say starting to, I never have. It's not a real award. Who cares? It's the best award that's not a real award.

So we got two people. If it was real, it would be the best award ever. It's still the best award because you get to show it off every single day. I know. If you got the bat with a silver bat with a silver bat, do silver slugglers get like a silver riding? No. Oh, my God.

All right. So we got two. And we got, we got to go, guys. This is too much on gold gloves and Aaron Judge. Why were we even talking about him? We had to rule them out. It was unbelievable.

I will nominate a guy and you guys can tell me if you want it. I think Adelaise Garcia is my guy. Watching him do what he did with the Rangers all year long. If we did this before the playoffs, is he your guy? I think so. Okay. I think so. I mean, he's got the most homers.

He's got the most RBIs besides Kyle Tucker. And those are the things I like. And I believe he led the outfield and assists as well. I just think he was a difference maker, man. Can I nominate someone that's mad at him? you about your nomination. Sure. His name is Josh Lowe.

292 batting average. 335 on base. The average is higher than Adelis. The on base percentage is higher than Adelis. He had a 500 slugging. That's eight points less than Garcia. He had an 835 OPS, one point less than Garcia. Josh Lowe.

Let me just look at he had a better weighted runs created plus and let me look at his games play because I didn't look at that at all and that could be I think where Josh Lowe can get be tripped up and I want you to double check the numbers kind of a platoon guy which I know for starting a L outfield I'm a big guy on that yeah no you're out do you have someone in two favor why didn't nominate him that I was mad I should you already nominated someone so you're out I nominated a guy that's mad about that Garcia that's not me um I think people can dig up my previous all-jam votes.

I am an Adoles Garcia guy. Obviously, this postseason was nice, but in theory, that's not being counted here. Lo's out. He contributed defensively and offensively. His offense can go toe to toe with everyone on this list. And counting stats do get tricky because there is a lot of team facts.

Like the fact that he had Simeon and Seeger in front of them to drive in. The fact he had protection behind him is pretty nice. But the fact, we can't just throw out counting stats for that reason. He had 39 homers. 108 runs is the most on this list. 107 RBI is second on the list to Kyle Tucker, who's on the team. You mentioned the outfield assist.

One of the scariest dudes in the plate in the batters box in baseball. I think I'm casting my vote. No, you have a free vote for nothing. I vote for nothing. Congratulations. A.L. Outfields. That was a tough one.

Holy shnike. No, I would vote for Garcia. I think that was the toughest one on the sheet. Luckily, AL designated hitter. This Yordan guy didn't play enough games, but this Shohei guy did, I think. I mean, Shohei out slugged him.

Shohei had 44 homers this year. Congrats to Shohei. Otani, if you didn't know what you were. That was not a silver. over Daisy, our D.H. Select since Brent Rooker and then your Dawn and then it's been Shohay since June. Shohei, please

go break the bank. We're rooting for you, buddy. We can go to utility position now. Taylor Wals. 20 swipes for Shoah too, by the way. Whoops. Lord. Taylor Wals had it in April. Zach McKinstree had it in May. Ezekiel Duran had it in June. Luke Raleigh had it in July and he had it in

August. So there is no silver-dazey potential here. But I enjoy the util position. It's a construct, huh? I believe this is your chance to nominate unless you have someone that you think has run away with it. Man, it's your Willie Castro has snuck onto this list, which there's been a lot of fun times he's jumped on the boat.

For me, I've fallen into the Luke Rayleigh hole because his offense is a difference maker where a lot of these other guys year-end numbers, Marrifield and Dubon, I mean, you're looking at low OBPs, low OPS. I mean, Merrifield's OPS lands at seven, flat. Dubon a couple points ahead of him. Like, Lou Greley, 824 OPS,

that's a middle of the lineup. That's a guy. Yeah. That, for me, that's the difference maker, but I know pure util he doesn't feel as sexy because it's a lot of corners in first, although I know he was getting some center field as well. So I'm kind of a Rayleigh guy.

I'm open, but I'm not seeing it from the other dudes. I have to give my votes. It's not going to be Luke Reilly. It's going to be Willie Cash. I know I saw him more than any of you guys did. He moved everywhere, dude. Like he played all the positions. In a pinch, even during games,

he was doing this a lot. Rocco was starting him in one spot. pinch hit, he'd go somewhere else. He played center. He played left. I don't believe he played right, but he played third base. He played shortstop. He played second base.

He's all over the place, and he was a threat on the base pass, 33 bags, I believe he got. I'm going to vote for him because I think he was one of, if not the most valuable player for the twins. The ability to move him around gave Rocco the freedom to do a lot of different things. So because I saw that firsthand a lot,

I know what he meant to the twins. I'm going to give him my vote, and I guess that means we've just done it to you again, James. I'm not voting for Lou Gehraley because he doesn't fit my personal criteria of Util, which is usually why I abstain from this category because otherwise people get mad at me. But corner outfield, nine starts. Nine starts in center? Yeah, that's not a lot.

And this thinks that it's on me now. Did I persuade you enough with my Willie Castro? So verbiage. Sure. Let me go look at Dubon. Okay. Willie's probably my two. And it's just an awesome guy.

Which is huge. It's huge. It's our team, guys. It's our year. Dubon, second base, 24 starts in center field. So he's, but what are the numbers?

Same exact slug as Willie. Willie Castro wins it, I guess. Yes. All right, Willie. Wow. Where to go, Willie. Representing that, man. Moving on to starting pitcher. Who won you till, like, the month before?

Luke Rayleigh won at the last two. We have his, it was a lot of corner outfield. He started playing center, maybe in September then? Yeah, he played a lot in August. And he liked the Willie argument. I'm comfortable with Willie. Yeah. Who really was utility?

So for starting pitcher, Garrett Cole, Nathan E. Valdi, Frambervaldez. When he started at center, then move him off. And then two more Garrett Cole. So Garrett Cole is won three months. Same with Willie. So right, so we got to do NL now? Oh, pitcher. Pitcher, sorry.

Fucking pitchers. I think this one's pretty easy. This is Garrett Cole. He's got the best whip. Best opponent's average. The other guys, yeah, average. Yeah, everything. Most innings, most strikeouts.

No, I guess Kevin Gossman at him in strikeouts. The other guys mentioned Kyle Braddish, Gospin, Sunny Gray, George Kirby, honorable mention Luis Castillo, Zach Eflin, Pablo Lopez. Shout out my twins, who were really good. Sunny, 32 starts, Garrett Cole, 33 starts.

Lower ERA. I think this one's Garrett, and I don't think it's particularly close. So if you're in and you're in, I don't think we're fighting you on that. Go. The thing I may fight you about before we get to the National League, because the first three positions in the NL are actually kind of worm burners. Can't wait.

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What are you doing? Load up. Something before I forget, even though the people at home, this isn't for you. It's a behind the scenes conversation of a different podcast. We can close yours real quick. We may have to scrap that talk and yanks and do a new one. These quotes are crazy. Oh, so we might have to do an impromptu one this week.

Wow. I didn't see the quotes. Let's do them after. Let's do it after. It's crazy. We're going to start with the NL in the catcher's position, and I need to get back to it. Are you out on Wilson Contrars? because of his Instagram post?

Is that docu points here? He was mad about Ross. Ross got fired and he said about time. Oh, that one too. And then did Williams do something also? Or was it just Wilson? I feel like I saw Williams do something too. I don't know.

This one, people, this is the last chance for a silver daisy. Sean Murphy has ran pull the pole, April, May, June, July, August. He's done it all, and you know what? I mean, he's looking good overall. Although you have a guy, and I think I have a guy that's, dang, it's mighty close. Our guys listed are William and Wilson Contreras, like, awesome that these brothers are listed on here.

Like, don't think that's not awesome. It was a little too under the radar. That's awesome. I mean, the fact that he replaced Yadi, who was another catching family, something weird about that. Is there a third Contreras catcher out there? And they're just, like, coming for all the Molinas.

Possibly. It really is? He's on it. And then Sean Murphy. Then Will Smith is also listed here. And J.T. Ramoto is our honorable mention. Sean Murphy. I got to be honest.

108 games played. I love, big Sean Murphy fan. Yes. Trade happened. I was like, oh my God, Braves. They got a stud. Defense is incredible. He batted out of this world.

Batted. Yeah, that's weird. I hate to be gamist. but at the catcher position, 108 games compared to these other guys that have very similar, if not better numbers. I don't know if I can peddle Daisy this man. Yeah, but I don't know how many games.

William and Jerry started at catching? I do. 108. Okay, did Sean Murphy ever DH? If Sean Murphy never DHed. If Sean Murphy never deached, and it's just, he just can't deach because the... Four games started.

with DH. Okay. So that rules out the games. That rules out being gamest, in my opinion. Although, although, does it? Yeah, because. Because Adley, D.H. Sometimes.

If they rotate. Yeah, but, yeah. No, no. But if William Concheris and Murphy rotate teams, rotate teams. You don't think you D.H. I think the D.H. I think the D.H. I think that Sean Murphy would D.H.

A lot with the Brewers and Contreras would D.H. Not a lot. Right. But we can't penalize William Contreras for that. I mean, this is what happens. I'm not penalize. I'm just. saying it's, I think it's fair. Now we make up

our minds, but I don't think, for me, game is, agreed. Agreed. So, I think we're narrowing it down to those two guys. Wilson and Will Smith, great years, but I think just looking around, I think it's those two. Is, does Will Smith enter the conversation? I think he guess he does.

He's been around it all years. Gosh, dang. I thought it was going to be easy. I thought it was going between those two guys. But if we are going, and these guys are also close in the game, caught. William Contreras kind of has the counting stats and

kind of like maybe has my vote. He's got more hits, way more doubles. He's right around. They're all close in homers. They're all close in runs, or at least him and Will Smith are, but William has it in runs, has it in RBI,

has it in stolen bases. Sean Murphy gets helped a lot by his 18 hit by pitches with that big old butt. Oh. Flat-ass will. I'm going to cast my vote right now because I like doing it early. It's fun for me.

I'm going to go with William Contreras and not Sean Murphy to win through September. Well, we... Let's start training. Get in the left. Listen to your brothers. Yes.

I kind of regret just throwing that out there because Sean Murphy is so close and it is for a Silver Daisy. I mean, you're anti-Shon-Roevary. That kind of means something actually to me if you have a chance. You're anti-Shon Murphy. That's been clear.

Well, is it your turn to nominate? Does the third Contreras further's name start with Will. Wilmer William and Wilson. Obviously. Well, I think you've got to make the move, Jim, because we've been cornering you with the final pickal. Yeah, you nominate. Well, I'm going William Contreras.

Hold on. That's a two-man sweep. Sean Murphy vote over, but William wins. That's why I thought maybe you should. This is tough. This is tough. You cast a your role. They're so similar.

They are so similar. It's ridiculous. It almost makes you want to re-vote just to give the Sean because they are so similar. One triple for William, zero for Murphy. The homers are pretty close, 21 to 17, and that's in way less at bats for Murphy, which is cool. then you got way more walks for William.

Slash line. William Ventures 289 to 250. Visually, that's much different. The on-base percentage is basically the same. Murphy out-slugged him. I was going to vote for Murphy and then you swayed me. And now I don't know why I let you sway me because I think Murphy is better. Time, time.

We can call time. We can call time. This is a, this is a, this is a, an important one because of the silver daisy. Because now I feel like I'm at the mercy of you. And I don't know if I'm thinking of myself anymore. You nominate. You nominate who you want to nominate.

Because I was all about Murphy. As you were talking about Contreras, you pulled me over to that side. So then I voted. And now you're, now you're sending my vote. Who have you voted for? Not sure. I thought you didn't vote yet. Yeah, we're going to start with a clean slate right now.

You get the first one here. All right. And then I'll let you go second and then I'll go. That's fine. William Contreras locked. Congratulations, William Contreras. That's it. We gave it to them.

I need those games. The games does mean something, even if you're D.H. And, I mean, I don't know. We get badly credit for it. I don't know why that doesn't translate. I'm sorry, Sean Murphy. You were there. But the Braves are stacked.

They're the best offense. Yeah. He's not going to find D.H. roles there. But you do get some days off. Your body feels better. William was in there every freaking day, man. Congrats, William.

That was a tough one. Holy snaky. For first base. Paul Goldschmidt in April. Freddie Freeman. Freddie Freeman. Freddie Freeman. Freddie Freeman. The next four months. And now we are back.

So there is no Silver Daisy here. We have Pete Alonzo, Freddie Freeman. Matt Olson, Christian Walker, with an honorable mention to Paul Goldschmidt. And I'd like to say I'm proud of the NL first baseman because Pete Alonzo with 46 home runs is about to get zero love. This can be a quick one, right? It's Freddie Freeman.

Is it? 331 average and a 4-10 on base with a 976 OPS. Matt Olson has a 9-93 Ops. Yeah, but he's got a 283. 140 runs driven. 283 average to 33. I don't care about that at all. 4-10 on base to 389.

He had 54 homers. to Freddy's 29. Freddy's is a double-hitter. 59 doubles. The slug isn't... You want the rally to end or keep going? I am voting for Matt Olson on this right now. I'm voting for Freddie Freeman.

59 doubles, 29-29-Homers. You guys. I got Matt Olson. He's got Freddie Freeman. What do you got? It's pretty quick that round. 211 hits. You put it on Jake.

It's fine. I mean, let's appreciate Christian Walker. Jake... Matt Olson also played every single game. Freddie for him missed a game. Just one. 161's awesome. Why did he miss that game?

I don't know. Did you give birth to somebody? It's crazy. You're crazy. Go look at what Cashman's saying. 59 doubles, 27 doubles, 29 homers, 54 homers. The runs are there.

God, he drove in a lot, did Matt Olson. One stolen base for Matt Olson. 23 for Freddie. 23 for Frederick. Jake's such a slut for Olson. I like that. Congrats to Freddie Freeman, man. Wow.

It's not a bad, there's no bad choice there. Oh, he didn't make the right choice. Stolen bases was the only difference. Stolen bases weren't there. I think it's Olson. Okay. Those are two great first baseman. Can't really go wrong.

Freddie, connected for life. Please start April hot next year and you have a chance to win us over Daisy. Not interested. Then you'd have to like acknowledge us, talk to us. All right. In second base, we have had Xander, Dansby, Dan's be, excuse me, that's wrong. In second base, Luis to rise, Luis Arise, Luis Arise,

because of the 400. And then we had Hassan Kim, Hassan Kim, because he was raking and playing banner defense. Now here we are, and we're talking Ozzy Albies, Luis Reis, Hassan Kim, and Catel Marte, with honorable mentions being Nico Horner and Bryson Stott.

Jesus, NL. Second Basement. Let's go, NL. Second Baseman. What? It's a disaster. All six of those players are the same. We have some Like Ozzy Albies is the best offensive Second Base that we have listed here Almost by far

You know, you know, could tell Well, I mean It's a different form of offense Different form of offense Ozzie drove in 109 runs Is that a true stat? How many runs this damn team score? A lot.

Yeah, a lot. A lot. Yeah, it's on a good team. Holy crap. I mean, Ozzy went 30 and 100? I think I've done this before and I'm doing this to

And I'm voting for a rise because I stand for something. And it's a different style of baseball. And if we don't start acknowledging that this style of baseball is good and you need it in a lineup and you can't just have all bop and power, then we're going to go back to 2018, 2019 baseball where it stinks and it's three true outcomes. And this is me on a political campaign to bring back the ball and play and vote for Louis Sirry's. I just wish his defense wasn't so stinky. I do feel like you... So I don't think he should win, and maybe I should have went last and done this when you guys agreed on someone else.

But I am voting for a rise to make this point. To value the ball in play. I do feel you've given... This is an agenda behind our old jam team. I am on my soapbox. I do feel like you've given that same speech and then you see a rise as one of the worst defensive players in baseball. And Hassan Kim is one of the best defensive players in baseball. And that changes things.

Yes. Because on that same soapbox, you want better defense in baseball. Who doesn't? Yeah, yeah. You know, Louisa Rye's worst nightmare defensively? He himself. Yeah.

Yeah. Maybe that's what motivates him. That's what he thinks when he's staying at second. I wish I wasn't hitting. A team of Luis Rize versus Luis Rize. Do you want to make your pick? That's a never-ending game. Figure something out?

Because this one might come down to Bebers. Do you think it's Citele-Martee? I thought you might go there. I think he's got an argument for it. I think that if I had to pick right now, I would go with two guys, and Cotel Marte would not be part of it. Yeah, unfortunately, he gets overlooked.

Oh, my God. 38 swipes from Hassan Kim. Am I a stolen base slut? You might be. I like speed and defense. With incredible defense. I believe he won the gold glove. Him and Fernando Tatez Jr., both won it for the Padres.

Do you want to just do it? Because I'm there with you. Poppy. Ha-Song Kim. Ha-Song Kim. Ha-Song Kim. I love... Well, the utility's taken care of it.

He'll get there. I like the way he plays. Offensively did enough when you can play defense and steal bags like that. Six NL second baseman are really good. Yeah. Wow. Congrats Ha-San Kim. So we'll move on now to the shortstop.

And those have been fun. I do think this one's easy, though. Shortstop over the course of the year has been Xander, and then it was Dansby, Dansby, and then Lindor, Lindor. Now what we have listed here is Bogart's Lindor, Dansby, Trey Turner, with an honorable mention of Orlando Arcia. How about Orlando Arcia starting the All-Star game, or it wasn't an All-Star if he started it,

but it wasn't even going to be the shortstop? Then he was the shortstop, and congrats to him. That was awesome. You're not going to get. a pedal today. You said this one's easy, so I think maybe you want to start? Yeah, I'll tee it up. I do think it's Lindor.

I think offensively he almost trumps everyone. It is crazy how close Trey Turner got to him after his really tough start to the season. Lindor also grades out as one of the best defensively, probably right behind Dansby. But Dansby's offensive stats, to me, aren't close enough to match what Lindor did this year. He went 3030 at shortstop in playing high-level shortstop. I think it's Lindor. I think it's Lindor for sure, too. You guys are both voting for Lindor? Yes. So he's one? Yeah. I'll vote for my guy, Trey. Shout out Trey. Yeah. Yeah. Dude, you know what? I'm not, I don't want to say this because

putting a little pressure on my son here. When Teddy slides, he does the Trey Turner. It's badass. I didn't teach him that. Clearly, you guys know I don't have that. When James slides, it looks like you can barely walk. Whoa. It just kind of falls. He was great today. And for those mad, if you guys didn't already crown lender, I would not have done that. Okay. Moving on to the third baseman of the NL, this went Max Muncie, Max Muncie, Candelario. Candelario.

My guy. And then our guy. Yeah. Our freaking guy, Austin Riley came and stole it in August. Sure did. He saved a position. The position was embarrassed. And our third baseman was bad.

And then Young Thick Austin Riley came in and said, I will save us. Much like Yandi Diaz for the AL. First baseman, Austin Riley, 861 OPS, 516 slugging. 345 on base, 281 average, the highest of all.

all those slash lines of the four guys listed in front of us. I don't, I think, I like what Riley's done. I think you've got to mention Nolan Aronado and Mani Machado are also involved in this. Brian Hayes, Arnold mentioned. He won the gold glove at third base. You have most home runs. I think, man, I think Mani Machado. Most RBI.

I think there's something that said about Mani Machado in here. I think we can talk about that. I think we can talk about, you know, manny's playing a better defense. I know the OPS isn't there, but Manny had some counting stats with him as well. We had 30 homers to 91 driven in. Austin Riley had 37 to 97 driven in, even on that prolific Atlanta offense. The games plays 138 for Manny, 159 for Austin. Do you mind if I tell you about Austin Riley's second half?

Yeah, tell me. ...in to this discussion that won him the all-JM third base spot? Talk to me. 70 games in the second half of the baseball season. 300 batting average, 368 on base, a 601 slug, 968 OPS. He's young thick. Do you think Manny Machado gets some points for being on,

like, the dumpster fire team and just being like, I'm still putting up some numbers? No, he's supposed to be the leader of that team. Okay. Okay. So you were going... At the closest we've ever been to ghosts. Is that not supposed to be happening right now? Did a siren go off in your ear?

Yes. Yeah. I think that fell hit one of the noises. That's haunted. I think Bebe's laugh knocked it over. I don't know what just happened. Okay. The soundboard fell and it hit a sound effect.

Hit the end show. Maybe you got to get out of here. You sound like you're voting for Austin Riley. You sound like you're voting for Austin Riley. I only see one name on the last. list. I will vote for Mani Machado just because. I hate it.

You know, I'm not one for throwaway votes. I want to say something, honestly. I don't think it's a throwaway. I hate and love our sucker throwaway votes. I don't think it's a throwaway vote. I just don't. I don't. Can I tell you something I'm excited for?

We were in. We're talking about the most prolific offense since the 1927 Yankees, right? Sure. So, I mean, Austin Riley's counting stats are great and all that stuff. Like, you... Like, Manny Machado was doing that in less games on a really crappy team, and sometimes you've got to give a little bit of love to that. Maybe it was his fault that they weren't where they were supposed to be.

Young Thick's almost got an extra 20 games, and I think a lot of the other just stats are big. Sounds for Youngthick. We like him. I'm just trying to play devil's advocate a little bit. Now we get into the nitty-grady, and before we do that. Treve, we might have a couple of these tomorrow, Noce. A blue moon.

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Let's just go do some housekeeping here. Mookie bets will not be listed with the outfiters. He's going to win the utility position to just give snaps for Mookiee, right? Holy smokes. That's quick. Yeah, Mookie won the utility. Oh, well, I was going to vote for Spencer Steer. No, he's out.

Did he see us? No. Was that on camera? Did you make contact? I didn't make. Did you make icon? Did you make icon? contact? Did anyone make eye contact? It doesn't matter.

We're in a show. We're doing our job. He's doing his job. But it was crazy. That wasn't a ghost. Did I know? Camera, I think picked that up. We were a ghost or he was a ghost? I think we're a ghost. We're all just Adams. So that's something to think about. We do. We need a center fielder.

We do have a Silver Daisy probable with Ronald Lacunae Jr. because he has won it every single month. Corbyn Carroll missed out on April because Brandon Marsh and James Outman went off. So Corby and Carroll had it every single month except for April. Mookie Betts was also not in April. Didn't have a great, like a decent one, but these other guys had better and Tyro Estrada played better. Util that thing. So whatever, Akuna Jr. has a chance to win the Silver Daisy. And I'm pretty sure he's going to get the Silver Daisy. So we just snap. for him. He'd look good in one.

He'd wear one. She'd wear it. He'd start sending him the mail. His numbers... They don't even know what it is. I just think we're like a jewelry company that's promoting ourselves via them.

It's fake for sure. His numbers are nuts. His offensive numbers are crazy. I've never seen a Fangraph's offensive war. It's 71.7 that jumps off the page to me. But he had 735 plate appearances,

which is just fucking awesome. 40 homers. We know about the bags. He stole 73. So it was 41 and a 73. No one's ever done 40-50 before. Yeah. No one's ever done 40-60.

Obviously, he's in a category of his own, so he gets the daisy there. Wait, wait, hold on. So you did you till, and we gave Acuna an outfield spot. But we haven't done center field. We have to give a center fielder and then one other. I nominate Cody Bellinger.

Okay. So the three center fielers that we have listed here are Cody Bellinger, Brandon Nemo, and Friedel. T.J. Friedel. For the Cincinnati Reds. That's who they are, right? Cody Bellinger is probably our guy in that.

I don't think it's... Nemo's not stealing bags. Friedel did. 274, 279. 307 for Cody. Wow. Okay. 56. Nimmo and him and Friedel are on base.

525. Slugging is a different number than the other guy. guys have. Freeto's got 27 bags compared to Cody's 20 bags. Oh. It's closer than I thought. It's closer than I thought with Freel. How about that?

Alec Thomas. Okay, he's never heard of him. I think the counting stats are just so far in front for Cody Bellinger that we kind of have to do it. Less games, but he's got much more runs driven in, much more runs scored. He's got him in homers.

He's got him in doubles. He's got him in hits. I'm going Cody Bellinger for Senator Feeler. So you're out, Jake. Do you want to put somebody in? Throw it away. I said Alec Thomas. Alex Thomas.

Congratulations on your vote. That's not shady at all. So we need another. One more outfieler now. He's throw away votes. I don't know about them. And I think it comes down to two. So then it's two cats.

Corbin, Carol, and Juan Soto. Maybe Tatis, if you're a real. sicko. You like Nolan Jones? You know, I like Nolan Jones, but he played 106 games and the other guys had better years. Okay. Not to get, you know, analytical on you. Oh, I don't know the better years part.

Nolan Jones. So Corbyn Carroll runs it on F-War. He's a little bit higher, a half a war higher than Juan Soto. Are those the two guys that you're thinking? Wait, I have a, I have a situation. Okay. Why don't I vote for Juan Soto? Like, I'm going to vote.

and Jake vote for Corbyn Carroll, like he's going to vote, and then you just figure it out. Okay. If that's going to be the situation, is that it? Did you cast your vote? I'm liking where Soto's numbers ended up. I am. Do people not know?

Are you doing that? 54 swipes. Are you doing that? Because I'm doing Corbyn Carroll. Do it. I'm a Juan Soto. Well, I know what you want Juan Soto for your Yanks. I understand.

No, no, no, no. even before Yankees, whenever, I've been a Juan Soto enthusiast where I kind of perk up. Here's an interesting question for you. Right now, let's just say contracts are the exact same, although, fucking Corby and Carroll has a team-friendly deal. I don't even see money, yeah. Let's just say no money involved. And you got to pick one of these guys for the next five years.

Are you 100% picking one-soto? At what I know about them right now? Yes. Yeah, I'm picking one-soto. He's still pretty. young and he's got six and not a knock he's got six years of proving that he can do it but Corbyn Carl's got one

so I could be wrong but I mean just like the Corbin's not exactly like the best outfielder like people run all over him meanwhile Soto out there and might as well be riding a horse. Soto's tough out there that's tough out there okay but yeah

the swipes are a thing I don't know the power is like real with Corbyn Carroll I'm based don't slump Treve I'd agree with And Soda's one of the best. So not a knock on Corbyn Cal at all. I agree with Wonson in a discussion as well. I don't know where we landed.

I want Corbyn Carroll. I went Wonsodo. So Jake is deciding now. The 54 bags persuaded me as well. That's a game changer. I keep getting got by that. I keep getting got by that. They both don't play a great outfit.

Juan Soto with the 400 on base. Why doesn't Corby and Carroll play a better outfield? It's a good question. How fast he is. Almost, almost. The arm is bad. Which I also don't understand. I don't really understand that either.

I don't, yeah, and. Jake, I'm going to put a timer on you, bro. 10. Shit, dude. Nine. Eight. seven. I think

six. All in all. Five. For the 20-23 season. Four. I do think Corbyn Carroll had a better season. Three, two, one. My guy, Juan.

Congratulations, Corby and Carol. Cody Bellinger and Ronald Ocuna Jr. You guys took home the pedal. And for one, the Silver Daisy. Moving on to DH in the NL, which is always fun to say nowadays. It was Andrew McCutton. in April. Shout-out Cutch.

J.D. Martinez. Jorge Soler, J.D. Martinez, and then our guy Bryce took over. Oh, boy. Do I get the vote for Bryce? Listed on our sheet, it is Harper, Martinez, Marcel O'Souña, and Jorge Solerr. Not listed is Andrew McCutcheon.

Tough. The average is for Bryce Harper. He at 293. The games played are all around the same. Ozuna played 144 games. Not all at D.A. I don't think, but I don't think games play really comes into effect here. Ozuna did hit 40 Taters.

Jorge Slay 36. Harper only hit 21. The slug was not there for him. I don't think he'd his first homer until when? When was that? The arm was the arm. Recovery. That's a great point that people will need to remember about Bryce Harper.

He had Tommy John. and like that's crazy to me. So I don't know where you guys stand. I'm leaning Harper in here. He does have the 400 on base percentage. He almost 345 with a 293401, 499. Hey, this, I didn't know the NLDH has got down like this. I didn't know this is my vote,

but my vote is for Marcelo Zuna. He's got the higher OPS, the higher slug. And that's it for him as a player. 40 homers. Like if you want to bring Harper into the conversation, he had 21 home runs this year. 40 and 100. Good ones, though.

For Marcel. They were good home runs when he hit them. Ozone's got some, at least 10 cheapies. So it's really like 30 to 20. And Ozuna, maybe not the best role model. He's not. I'm going to go Bryce Harper. The walk percentage is there.

I'm a little bit of me for me. Okay. So Bryce Harper, for me, Marcel Azuna for old Jakey boy. This is a proxy vote. BPD is going to step in for me. This is almost rude of you. It is. Yeah.

He's struggling over there. He doesn't want to do it. He doesn't have pants on either. With pride and glee. BBD has voted for us. Saps for Marceau. And the last position on the all-JMT, the last five minutes

that we're going to be talking about the 20-23 season. And then it's over. And then we step. into 2024, where Craig Counsel is going to be the difference maker, according to his GM. Zach Gallin, Zach Gallin, Clayton Kershaw, Justin Steele, and then Blake Snell. It's been a smorgasbord of people on the list.

And right now we have listed on our sheet, Zach Gallin, Kodi-Sangha, Blake Snell, Justin Steele, and Zach Wheeler. Kew-I-Sung-O-D-Seng- Now, Zach Gallin's the only guy listed. Shout out Spencer Strider and Logan Webb for being honorable mentioned. on our sheet, the only guy going over 200 innings is Zach Gallen. I went 210. But I'll let you guys kind of start the convo.

Blake Snell's ERA's. You know my flavor of ice cream. What Snell did this year is silly. I know it looks different, but I'm, give me the end result. And the end result was a C2-5 ER. You can't even knock the FIP or the whip because he told you I'm going to walk guys on purpose. this year and lean into it, you know, become the nightmare and fight back.

Oh, I'm down in the count. Take your base. I'm starting over. Anyone that's played video games as a kid can appreciate how Blake's now pitched. Bad at bat begins fucking reset. Go to first. I don't give a shit. I'm going to get the next guy.

So his FIP and his whip are not great, but that's by design. He leaned into his weakness and turned it into a strength. Why would I give you a cookie and try to fight back to get in this count? When I can just put you on first, you're not going to steal because I'm a lefty, and I'll get the next guy. So usually you look at the FIP and the Whip and you're like, this is unsustainable. But that's what his plan was.

Well, you know, it's unsustainable throwing bad pitches and bad counts. So I'm voting for Blake Snow. I don't know if anyone else could possibly do what he did. It's very odd. Blake Snow, Blake Snow. Yeah. So I get to throw just a vote in. Congratulations, Blake Snow, by the way.

A hell of a season. Does that irk you as a Fip and Whip and Whip guy? Like, you know, that... I'm not really a Fipp and Whip guy. You don't... You like FIPP. You like FIPP. You like FIP.

So that's why I... I don't know why pitchers like FIPP? I don't know why pitchers like FIP because they can control it. They're basically tennis players. They're not playing a team sport. Yeah, that's the one thing that they think is in their control, whatever that means. I will throw, I will throw my vote. Snell.

Zilla, my guy, I love you so much. Congratulations. I'm not. I'm not. When he sees this clip. I'm not. I'm not. I love Zilla.

congratulations on your walk you're doing this. You're about to get paid. Fucking awesome, bro. I'm going to go, Zach Wheeler. I love watching him pitch. I love watching a pitch. Made all the starts he needed to make. You know, there's some numbers here.

I think Zilla really, like you said, the five walks per nine is so much. And he maybe have lent into it a little bit, but it's, I just think about standing out there. And yeah, it does strike out people, but I'll be standing like, gosh, man, I heard this game up. I'm going, Zach Wheeler, but Blake Snow, congratulations.

Good job. And that's it, guys. That's it. So how many silver dais do we get? Ronald de Cuner Jr. got one. And Yanni Diaz got one. And Marcusin. So three silver daisies, and the ghost is back.

Oh, boy. I think we're the ghosts. We were unrecognito. Thank you, guys. 2023. See you in 2020. Thank you very much. Goodbye.

24. Willie back next. Yeah, but talking about next. year. Will this prize? Jake sucks. You wore that hat the entire time? I thought that was a gag. Were we live? Oh, yeah. It looks good. It looks good on them. It doesn't look good on it.

I'm starving.