Talkin' Baseball (MLB Podcast) - Selecting the FINAL 2024 All-JM Team! | 922

Episode Date: November 6, 2024

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Hello and welcome to Talking Baseball. Maybe the most important episode of the year. The All-JM team gets announced. Let's do it. Hearts will be broken. April. And there's the All-JM Electoral College that we need to sort through. Hello and welcome to Talking Baseball presented to you by Seat, Geek, Code, Talking, Ten.

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At Seat Geek. Coach Trev. Out on the left coast, how are we doing, Big Dog? I like what you said there. You know, I'm kind of on that train of, like, getting people random gifts for no reason. Or not for no reason, but not like for a particular instance. You just do it out of the kindness of your heart. It goes a long way.

I'm just saying that. That and a handwritten note. That's what my friend Hobby Sanchez taught me. A handwritten note speaks volumes out there. Anyways, I'm doing great, Jake. this is one of my favorite episodes to do because I actually do believe that this All-JM award

is like one of the better awards that's out there. I understand it doesn't have the prestige maybe that some of the other ones do we're walking on that but it truly is about a full season's worth of work and I like the fact that we document it from April

all the way through September you really see where guys went off where guys faltered and I think looking at the sheet we talked about this before the show there's going to be a few upsets but for the most part

and this is why baseball is such a beautiful game through 162 a lot of people separated themselves. The cream rose to the top and you know that's kind of how the baseball season usually works and I think we're gonna be given out a few

silver daisies man which is for those that don't know if you're just jumping in. We give out the award, like Trev was saying, each month. So it's always funny to look back in April. And, hey, if you had the best April, you were on the squad for April. That's always the craziest month is April.

Right. It's the first month of the year. Anything like Aaron Judge did not make the April team. So he won't be eligible for a Silver Daisy, even though he had a fantastic year. And I could see him on the final team. So to be the best player at your position From start to finish Farm to table, soup to nuts

I mean that That is quite the achievement No other award does that No right, that's cool This is the hardest award I think to win And we have In baseball I think we have six guys up for Silver Daisies

Big Sal Perez Juan Soto, William Contreras, Cotel Marte, Jerks, and Profar, and Shohei Otani. So we will see if by the end of this, they have earned it, and they will get it. Any final words before we dive in, Trev? I don't think so, man. I think we're ready to go. Dude, we've been kind of on a heater.

Offseason what? Let's just keep talking ball. That's basically what we do here. I'm glad you said that, because we're about to get in. to the throws of the off season. That's a pretty cool phrase. I'm not sure what it really means, but... And, well, when we get to A.L. First Base,

we're going to highlight someone who had a fantastic year. Little spoiler of Vladdy killed it at American League First Base. And this is, like, this is kind of the final moment to be like, dude, Vladdy did the damn thing this year. Like, he is back to, like, an elite player. And, dude, it kind of sets up the storyline. he's going to be one of the storylines of the upcoming season. Yes.

Maybe even this off season, if like one or two rumors or reports or contract negotiations go sour. So Blue J fans might not like that part of it. But it's a good kind of final time of the year to highlight some of these guys. Are you saying? What? This is the end of 2024 baseball talk. we're going to be moving on after this to the offseason to the next year.

This is kind of the one way to wrap it all up. I think for individual players, like the Dodgers get to be, the Dodgers are the champions, you know, until next World Series, essentially. For these guys, this is kind of their final, hazah. Like, you did it, take these numbers to arbitration or free agency or wherever you're going and enjoy it. But this is kind of the last for us. So you know what's funny is this. It is true because November, like right now,

for the guys that didn't make the postseason, this is when it starts again. Like guys are back in the gym. Guys are, you know, kind of like, this is where you take that little bit of time off, you know, three, four weeks off, let your body rest. Now you get back into the gym and you say,

where is my body at? They do a bunch of tests, mobility test, strength tests. And you start getting ready for 20, This is the time. So we're basically like ball players. We are ball players. Got them. Have some questions about your body tests,

but I think we need to get into this. And we usually start because it's Friday. It's Wednesday. It's Thursday. In the American League, the all-JMAL team. And we start behind the dish. And like I told you, Big Sal, those Kansas City Royals and everything they did this year

and how much Salvador Perez was a part of that. Through the year, he was fending off, you know, Adley Rushman, who started off looking like Adley and then finished in a tough spot this year. Yiner Diaz, Shea, want to swing from the Langelears, ends up with 29 home runs. And Big Sally, something that was so impressive, not only was he catching, but he was playing first base.

He was de-aging, like, he was out there every day. that landed Salvador Perez with 27 homers, 104 RBI, 271, 330, a 786 OPS, 115 WRC plus, 3 to 2.5 4, depending where you land. He didn't finish as strong as his season was going for a little bit there. And Trev, I think someone else did, and for a lot of the reasons I just mentioned, I think Big Dumpur is going to swoop in at the end.

end? Yeah, so Sal has, he won every single month. He was in line for a silver daisy. He was the top catcher in the AL league from April through August. And then

September happened. And that's what we talked about with this award. I mean, it is a full embodiment of your season. So, Cal Raleigh, in September, he snatched it, dude. Yeah. It's exactly what he did. He had 286,

379 on base, 531 slug for the 910 OPS. He had seven homers in that last month. He drove in 20 runs in that last month. He also just won the gold glove, which you know we take into account defense and just all around play

in this award where it put him above. Sal did not have a great end of the year. In fact, his September and October, he had 239, 2.97 on base, 623 OPS. The slug was gone. He had two homers in that month. And he had to keep it going for one more month, and he didn't do it.

And yeah, like, if we're, you're talking, what's your vote right now? It's, it's for big dump or Cal Raleigh out there in the Pacific Northwest. It's, uh, it's the catching, the catching position is one of the slightly more unique ones. Like, obviously, I mean, the, the defensive side of the ball matters a little bit more. is one of the best in the league as a defender back there. Big Sal, you know, I think some of his metrics are fine, but I think it's where, for me, the vote ends. Cal Raleigh had 19 games at DH, 135 games catching.

Big Sal ends up getting hurt a little bit, and I do think Cal Raleigh's numbers ended up better, so this isn't everything. But I think where the case is closed for me, Sal, 91 games catching, I think 45 at first, 24 at D.H. Shout out to our guy Freddie Fermin balling back there. Yeah.

But I think with his final month and a half or so, I think Cal Rally is your all-JM AL catcher. Yes, I mean, the final number is 34 homers, 100 runs driven in. You know, Sal, at the end of the year, at 27 homers, 100 and 4-Jenance. that's it's comparable there um so he caught up with him offensively and then the separator is is defense really here so you know you look at that 220 average for cow but everything else was working

five uh point four fan graphs war compared to salas three point two so he's got him beaten uh in spades there so yeah cal raleigh snaps baby you stole it you stole a silver daisy away from our guy Sal. He doesn't get the silver daisy. Yes. Yes. He blocks Sal from the box. He stops out from getting it.

He just gets... We have to have a name for the end of season. The most important pedal. I mean, the all-j-M team. The final pet on the team. Final all-jam team. Should be its own color. I don't know.

We've never made the necklace. We should. Shout out to Yiner Diaz, who is great this year. Adley Rushman and Austin Wells with the Jess and Miss. We'll check in on our ale catchers like next year. That's what I'm saying. That's why this exercise kind of blows my mind.

Congrats to Cal Rally. And the Seattle fans, who we've taken probably too many jabs at in the past month and a half or so. He did strike out a ton. A ton, but, hey, 34 homers is just no joke. And almost, not almost double the walks as Big Sally, but, I mean, he, we track. Walks now.

Do you see this right here? I see that little light coming in on your shoulder. Just like getting touched by an angel? What's going on? Yeah, I think so. If you see that on the YouTube, make sure you guys are subscribed. All that stuff helps out.

We appreciate it. Treve, I kind of ruined Ale first base because as much as we love our guy, Pasquatch, who, you know, ends up missing a chunk down the stretch. Carlos Santana, how's that gold glove and a 114 WRC plus? 38?

30 your best friend basically we found out over the past couple weeks we hung out a lot during this year we talked a lot about his his days his mom he always shouts out his mom because the Dodgers made him a catcher and he didn't want to catch and his mom said you're going to do what they say he said okay mom yes mom uh Josh Naylor 31 home runs 108 rbis yo from the big fella um all of these pale in comparison to Vlad Guerrero Jr. who hit 323, a 396 on base, 544 slug, a 940 OPS, 30 home runs. Man, Big Vladdy, we, I remember talking earlier this year, and I should, I should go through the American League. Nailer had it the first two months this year. Yes. It was Nailer, Nailer, Nailer, and then Vladdy took over. And he, again, it's, he turns 26 next March. That's crazy.

He has 21 and a half career war. And it just feels like before this season, it was like, man, Vladdy's 2021 is kind of an outlier. We're not sure. It's okay to say it was. Statistically it was. There's some peripherals that were supporting him and saying, like, that was, you know, maybe he got a little bit unlucky. Maybe, you know, the launch angle wasn't there. He's hitting too many balls in the ground.

I get that. But the results were the results. And he just told us to shove it. Yeah. It's great. I love that. How's your second half? 376, 450 on base,

a 1.127 from Vladdy. Reminder, still 25. It's going to be a lot of interesting conversations coming up with Vladdy in the next few months or year or so until then he has established himself and has an argument for like the best first basement in baseball now. After what he did this year, yes, 100%. He's going to, I mean, that guy's going to make a lot of money.

So young. So young. Can we call him Big Dumper? He's, uh, he did, he's big. Okay. Congrats. Vladdy Jr. His dad played ball. I don't know if you know that. Congrats to Vladdy. An amazing season. And man, if you like what Vladdy did on the field,

you might watch me, Trev, John Boy, Joe's McFly, Nikki Cass, and Blitzball Battle 5 on our Jam Warehouse channel, check out this sneak peek. Blitzball Battle 5 getting y'all set for game number two between forgotten rotten and Del Carribe. This is a fascinating matchup, right? You've got a two-time former champion, Trevor Plouffe. Then he's got Shelfy. And Del Carribe, we know all about Lou Dab. He can get it done?

The question is, can Joe's throw any strikes? That is the number one question. We know what we're going to get from Lou. Trevor's going to tell us what we're going to get from Trevor throughout the whole game. It's about the other guys. So what do you think? And Shelfi's background, he's played in the Blitzball World Series

three different times. He feels really confident. My prediction here is going to be forgotten rotten. I'm not even thinking about this one. It's tough for me to go against Treveille. I think they're going to win. Also, Trev needed somewhere to put his chain. So you stole it?

This is my baby gift from Trev. Not on the registry, but I accept. Okay, so you two made your prediction. I'm going with Forgotten Rotten. Del Caribe has, they didn't win a game in Blitzball Battle. You're in my hot, guys. Yeah, they've never beaten Forgotten Rotten and anything. But you'll have to tune in and see for yourself later today.

Blitzball Battle 5. All right. Again, that was the Warehouse Games channel. Go check it out. And go check out the AL second base position. because Trev, this one, at least there's a conversation. And it was a Texas two-step, Jose Al-Tuvae in April. Marcus Simeon, Al-Tuve, Al-Tuva, Al-Tuva.

And, man, it's down to those two. Brandon Lau threw a Hail Mary at the end to get involved, but he's going to be short on games and overall production. Claibor Torres somehow ended up in the fight, although you could argue as hitting in defense and base running pluses. Where this gets interesting, it's the old, a tail is old as time. You want some offensive juice.

You want the defensive juice with a little bit of offense. We kind of had landed on the side of the offensive juice matters just a little more after watching Andres Jimenez play defense this postseason. My God, it makes me question a lot. but I'd love to hear your thoughts on it. Is there enough to change you? It truly is that. Although I don't think the counting stats are too dissimilar.

You know, Marcus Saman clearly here is the better defensive player at this point in their careers. And Jose Al-Tuvae did have a fine offensive season. He put up and he won four out of the five months of the year. So he had four out of five pedals. during the year. 790 OPS for Jose Al-Tube. 699 for Marcus Simeon. The difference is Marcus Simeon might win a platinum glove.

19 outs above average. It's the best in baseball. He gets the job done on that side of the ball. So he also runs the bases very well. So he's a well-rounded, player. The slash line for him doesn't look great. But like I said, like the counting stats are

not crazy off. And I'll give you guys some of those numbers right now. I mean, Jose Al-Tubei hit 20 homers. Marcus Simeon hit 23. Jose-Al-Tubei scored 94 runs. Marcus Simeon scored 101. Jose-L-L-Tube drove in 65, Marcus Simeon, 74.

So, like, Marcus Simeon, more walks. Jose-Al-Tube has more strikeouts. Alt-Uve stole more bases. But I believe Marcus grades out better as an overall base runner. So I think, you know, as I'm saying all these things, we're counting defense is 100% Marcus. Counting stats are close enough or even can lean Marcus. It's just the slash line that really is leading for Altovae.

The OPS is there. But war, you know, every other thing I just mentioned is kind of all Marcus. I think I'm leaning Marcus Simmy. at the end of the year. It's, for instance, baseball savants, Jose Altova, 29th percentile on base running.

Marcus Simeon was in like the high 80s. Fielding run value, 11th percentile for Altovae. Marcus Siamian is in like the 99th percentile. So like we're talking all around ball here, especially I think second base, middle infield, I think you do have to take that into consideration

more than other positions. Like these are supposed to be your all. around ball players. You need strong defense at the middle. These guys are supposed to run the bases. I think I'm leaning Sammy in here. I'm curious to hear your take. Okay. Yeah, it's tough for me and the only thing I'd jump in

on, you know, you said potential platinum glove. Hemannis got the gold glove from him, so I don't if that happens that's true. It'd be a nice little baseball quirk, but we've seen shit like that happened, but

which, you know, I, I guess that would be my thing. Jimenez, his stats are a tick, his offensive stats are a tick below Simeon, but that guy, he plays defense and runs the basis too. For me, it's too much of a hurdle of Altovae bats lead off on the Houston Astros. And so does Simeon a lot of the time, or at least towards the top of the lineup. Let me double check before I make Texas Ranger fans mad. Um, yeah, I mean, he was lead off throughout the whole year. So it's just tough for me that, like, I think Altuve only had one month where his OPS wasn't in the sevens or higher.

And I think Simeon only had one month above sevens in the open. So, like, that's tough, man. Marcus Simeon, I know the defense is great. And I guess it taps into a little bit of my analytics binder. of like it's just tougher to find hitting. But I mean, for only one month of this season, two months was Marcus Simeon a plus offensive player. Otherwise, May, June, August, September,

that's tough for me. I realize the defensive value and up the middle and all that old, all the old adages that I do believe are true. And if you watch me rant and rave about the Yankees, I'm talking about Claiboritorium. and stuff like that. I get that. I think what Jose Al Tuve did is more valuable and more transferable to any team.

Like, you know, any team could use that offensive production from Altuve and needs that offensive production from Altuve where, you know, I think even the Texas Rangers offense this year was looking for a little more juice and they didn't really have it. So I will cast my ballot for Jose Al Tuve. I understand. I'm going to come at you a little bit. Sounds like a Yankee fan,

valuing offense over the defense and the snake Biden, you guys, a little bit there at the end. I'm fine with that. This is close, and I do think that we do sometimes really have trouble deciding where we want to go, you know, when we're talking about guys that are better offensively inclined

and guys that are better defensive inclined. I do want to apologize. Andres Semenis had 21 outs above average to Marcus Simeon's 19. So give it to him. Well, no, because I think Marcus' overall counting stats were similar or better than Jose Al-Tubez. The only thing you're going off of is the OPS. So what do you value?

Right. Like end of the year numbers, the counting stats were there, and Marcus played it in a few more games, but I believe it was very similar there. 100 and let's see Marcus played in 154 games to, excuse me, 159 games to Jose Alteva is 153 we do take into account games played too.

Guy was posting. Sure. You know, when you say all the counting stats, I mean Altuvae did steal 16 more bases. 14. I've never been a math guy. 22 minus 8, 14. Yeah, you're on that. And yeah, that's really that's really the only one that's you want to call i mean it's hits

overall hits obviously that's why the slash line is higher sure doubles jose had 31 to marcus is 27 but like i said homers runs driven in rbiis walks uh marcus had less strikeouts yeah i mean i i guess you know i could almost spin that with how different the triple slashes al tuvei hit 295 simian hit 237 uh al tuve got him based at a 350 click Simeon had a 308 clip. Like his final season, OPS lands at 699 compared to Altuvei 790.

There were days that Simeon's offense hurt his team. And there was days Altuve's defense hurt his team. So I get it. And I, you know, is it time to kick it to the great John Bino? It is. We'll move on.

We'll hear back later. Who, uh, Jimmy? I'll send the text. He wants there. I'll send the text But don't say who said what You know he's always going to side with you Can I put them in alphabetical order?

You want me to put Simeon first When I send the message I'll put Simeon first I don't know I don't want you accusing me of like brainwashing Symean verse all Appaganda All J.M

The text is sent to John Boy We'll circle back on second base Third base Trev A position that has tormented this program We've lost hours to it because there's some absolute studs. Alex Bregman, slow start to the year, bounced back, and we're going to talk about him a lot in the upcoming weeks.

Rafael Devers has an argument for one of the best hitters in the game, has improved his defensive prowess. Jordan Westberg got off to an amazing start this year, and it was like, oh, okay, okay, Orioles, what do you got here? Would you just pull out of the bag? the guy who has won it every month since May, except one when Devers had a hot July, hot summer.

It's Jose Ramirez, Trev. And again, this is what I like about this episode because where the final numbers have landed is disgusting. That's for Jose Ramirez right there. Yeah, it's not even close for being honest here. You know, you can talk about Devers being offensively inclined. Jose Ramirez had a better offensive year than him. 39 homers to 28 homers, 114 runs to 87, 118 RBIs to 83.

Stolen bases aren't even close here, guys. 41 stolen bases for J. Ram. He almost got 40. 40. It's crazy he didn't get 40. 41 homer away. He's, Aaron Boone will rip his arms off and then somehow throw him, I think, with his feet. He'll throw the arms with his feet. If you call Jose Ramirez underrated.

I don't think he is underrated. I think he is properly rated around baseball. Everyone knows what kind of guy this, what kind of dog this guy is. Snaps for Jose Ramirez, man. Yeah, and usually we've done this a lot, and normally Devers usually has like a little more pop or the hitting stats are just a little bit ahead.

The hitting stats are close with some of the stats, but Jose Ramirez also stole 41 bags this year. I love that Jose just popped in by 1,000th of a decimal. 872 OPS to 871. Not sure if that's a thousandth of a decimal. Yeah, that's impressive if that's true, because I don't know how to say that. I think it's true.

You go tens, hundreds, and thousands? Why not? Metric system is sometimes good. Is that the metric system? Not sure either. Trev, no politics today. Congrats to Jose Ramirez winning the all-JM third base spot. Shortstop, Trev, is somehow a quick conversation.

Yeah, sorry, Gunner. It would have shocked you if you heard that with the start to the season Gunner Henderson had. And then he kicked it back to Bobby Witt. And then it was Gunner again. And remember it was, are Gunner and Judge going to chase this ALMB, MVP together and then Bobby Witt Jr. came in and said A rocket, bro. No, dude.

Like I'll compete with Judge. Insane final numbers for Bobby Witt Jr. 32 homers, 125 runs, 109 RBI, 31 stolen bases, 332 TREP, 977 OPS,

when you see these final numbers, and it's like, you know, 977 OPS, that's for the big boys. That's for, that's your don's season. That's Judge, that's Soto, that's all the big boys. When you see Bobby Witt run and play defense at shortstop and you, with those offensive numbers, that doesn't happen. No, he's a special player.

I mean, I think we all were a witness to them. You know, obviously the big deal before the season gets started, massive payday. And, you know, I think sometimes you worry about stuff like that. If you're a fan of a team like, hey, this guy better be good. We just gave him a ton of money. And Bobby Witt is from all accounts, a very good person, hard worker, kind of like checks all the boxes. And then you go put out the results on the field as well. And we got a new face of baseball.

You know, one of the faces of baseball for years to come will be by. Bobby Witt Jr. He's kind of a good-looking cat, too, for being honest. So he just, he really does check all the boxes. The way he runs, the way he plays defense. He's got freaking lightning in his bat. There's not much to be said. I mean, Gunner, you're a freaking stud.

Gunner, you're one of my favorite players in all of baseball to watch. And I, basically, if you're a good shortstop, I like you. Essentially, that's, like kind of my type. Everyone has their type, dude. I don't know what your type is. Sure. I like hot shortstuffs. Sue me. I think I'm like in the majority there.

If you don't like hot shortstop, what are you doing? Yeah. But Gunner, great season. But Bobby just came out to play. Sure did. And Connor, man, 37 homers out of the shortstop position, 118 runs, 21 swipes of his own. I know we don't think of him that way.

I think we'll be seeing him in the fan vote. Yeah, well, he will be in the fan vote. I can announce that. And hey, quick shout out. Corey Seeger somehow hit 30 tanks this year, 123 games. And Zach Netto ends up on our final sheet here. 23 ding-dongs, 30 steals.

He's a good player, man. Slick with the glove. That's another part I like about this episode that Zach Netto deserves one more shout-out for what he did this year in Anaheim. Congrats. Shout out. Carlos Correa.

Shout out Brian Rochio. Love watching him play. Get the bat going, big guy. All right. Congrats. Bobby Witt, Jr. Let's head in to the American League Outfield. And it's brought to you by Skims.

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And I'm just putting that out there. I have them on and they're great. Thank you, Trevor. Let's get to the American League outfield. Outfield's always tricky because there's three positions out there. you need a center fielder if you're new to this program. That's kind of our rule out there. And I do think we have one.

And we had one in April. It was Juan Soto, Mike Trout, and Kyle Tucker. That's a pretty damn good outfield. Wait, what about Bretton? Oh, this is the AL. Sorry. This is the A. Come on.

You Brent and Doyle's name out your mouth for now. It was then Aaron Judge, who continued to stay there the rest of the way. Juan Soto continued to stay there, the rest of the way. the way. That Yankees outfield, huh? Kyle Tucker ended up sharing the spotlight with Jaron Duran for a few months there. And for the last three months, it was Duran Judge and Soto. I hate to be rude to my Red Sox brother in.

I know that Judge and Soto are going to be back on this list. What those two did out there this year, I guess I'm assuming Jaron Duran, but I haven't deep dove into the numbers. I guess who else should I be looking at, Trev? I think, look, there are some guys that had really good years this year. I think, yeah, I think it's time. Okay. The results are in, you know, 90% of the votes have been counted.

And I believe that we're going to stick with the guys we've had for the last three months. Aaron Judge is going to be our center field of people. He's going to win the MVP. Fanggrass had him in an 11.24 this year. Holy shnikes, this guy had an incredible year. Also, hey, how about the, how about the freaking spotless race? record on the base running, 10 swipes, no caught stealings for old Judge. Let's get snaps to the center fielder and Aaron Judge. Where were you in April, bro? One of the biggest mysteries of the

year. This guy was a below average hitter in April? He was around it. Around, okay, for Aaron Judge, major league averages like horrible. He had a rib injury coming out of camp. People were wondering about that, but that's how the cookie crumbles. He punted April and said, I got it, don't worry. Yes, and then I think we definitely have Juan Soto on here. And if you're looking around for our third guy, Juan Soto snaps to you

another incredible, incredible year. If you're looking around, Jaron Duran is the guy. I don't think there's anyone that's really challenging him for that third spot. If you want to go by

war, he's got 6-7-F-4-8-7-B-W, nobody's even in the realm of that other than Soto and Judge. The numbers are there as well. So I just think they I think that we're there, man. 34 swipes for him. 21 homers.

He can do it defensively. He can run the bases. He had a great offensive year as well. I mean, 285 average 342, 492 for the 834. When you can do all those things that we said and still have that slash line, like you're going to probably be

line for a pedal or an all-j-M team. 160 games. Yeah, he was out there. Cora called him out, set the tone for this team, set the table, and he did. The extra base hits are crazy. Jaron Duran led the league in doubles and triples. Extra base hits, quick math right there. That's 69 between homers and doubles.

Nice. Plus 14 is 83. Extra base hits is in. Same. People want to get to 60. That's the most since Domaggio. 60 extra base hits, you're doing great. And yeah, just for anyone, Juan Soto, arguably had his best season this year.

Set his home run career high. And yeah, you could Yankee Stadium him, but his powers kind of naturally to left center, which doesn't help him there. It's just a reminder, he's also still young, and he's about to get $600 million. And yeah, Judge, judge hit, what, 58 homers with that bad April? And another homer slumped down the stretch.

144 driven in. That's like, when I think of 144 runs driven, I think of Andres Gala Raga. Ooh, the big cat. Yeah. Hey, congrats to the AL Outfielder's and Juan Soto. The full Daisy heading into free agency. Put that, we got to tell your guy Boris.

Silver Day. this first Silver Daisy that we've given out today. It's very hard to get them. I don't know how many in the history of the show we've given out. I think it's probably only six. It's tight. It's tight. It's very hard to do that.

Juan Soto gets it. I think we could shout out some other AL outfielders. I mean, how about the two guys in Oakland? Excuse me? Not in Oakland anymore. Just the A. Thank you.

Jay J.J. Bladay and Lawrence Butler. Elbutt came on huge in the second half. Crushed. His overall numbers turned out really well. You know, Riley Green. Hey, Detroit, you got a good one there. He's a stud. Julio came on.

Ended up having a decent year. But these guys, and then Anthony Santander, obviously, with the 40 homers. 44, excuse me. Great years, but there can only be three. Yeah, not sure if you mentioned my guy Riley Green in Detroit. He had an incredible year. I specifically mentioned that. Okay, I thought you did.

I just want to double check. And yeah, honestly, the only one that stands out, like Santander, 44 homes, but, you know, defensively the, and some of the other, like his on base landed at 308 this year. Like Soto's at 419. Would have been very interesting to see if Stephen Kwan got the full season. Remember, you know, some of the things he was doing early on this year, and he just does every year, very special. So, congrats to the AL Outfielder.

The ALDH has been a two pony race. This is an interesting one. Man, this one has had us ripped up all year because Yordaun, right? He's Yordaun Alvarez. Well, hello, Brent Rooker with your Sacramento A's. Do we not say the Sacramento? No, it's just A's. The A's.

Yeah. The A's. This year they were Oakland. That's normal. And Brent Rooker, your MLB sideline reporter, Brent Rooker? What's that action about it? Yeah, I don't know. What's that?

Sexy Brent Rooker. Go hit homers. Let me. Yordon Alvarez. Brent Rooker. Yord on Alvarez. Brent Rooker. Yord on Alvarez.

And that's who it's between. Our guy Big G gets an honorable mention. Trev, I'll let you cook, man, because this is, this is tight. It surely is. The numbers are very close. 164 weighted runs created plus for Brent 168 for Yordon

B-Wor has Brent above at 5.6 to Alvarez's 5.4 F-4 has Alvarez at 5.3 and Brent at 5.1. What I'm trying to say is people, not a lot separating these two. Alvres has the higher

OPS at 959 Brent Rooker, no slouch at 927. Now, the case Brent Roker K is a lot And Yordon K is a lot less than he does 177 strikeouts for Brent, 95 for Yordaun Yordon also has a better walk percentage

I think that's kind of what it comes down to for me. The numbers are very similar The counting stats will lean Brent for the most part 39 homers to Yordons 35 112 runs driven into Yordons 86 Some of those, you know, RBIs are circumstantial, so we like to encapsulate everything here, people. I think what it comes down to for me, Jake, and I love Brent Rooker, and I'm happy he's had the success for Minnesota Twin.

Who would you rather have up in a big spot? I think that's almost a no-brainer question, which, you know, it's kind of crazy because the numbers end up similar, but I think if you asked 10 people that, I think 10 of them would say, Yordon Alvarez. It's true. I don't know if that's the end-all be-all for me, but I'm just saying that's kind of where my head is going. We've seen him hit a winning World Series home run. Like we've seen Yordaun in the postseason in the past,

it feels like a decade now, where Brent Rooker is clearly newer on the scene that, you know, how, not a rude way to us, but how many clutch Brent Rooker at bats have we watched her as he's been in position in that, um, that that, that it feels a little tough because, I mean, dude, in that spectrum,

like, you know, I take Yordon against. Almost anybody. You know, like, no offense to young Bobby Witt. I'm taking Yordaun Alvarez in a big at bat. There's maybe what, one other guy, two other guys? You probably maybe take Juan Soto, maybe. I don't think, I would take Yord on over Aaron Judge. I was just going to say, I was like, hey, socials don't clip this.

I think one at bat. I think it's Yordaun over Judge. So that it's a tough exercise. Let's play that game just a little bit. Okay. Yordaun. I think we've gotten down to two people, Yordaun and Juan Soto.

I think those are the two guys in a big and bad that you want. Yeah, I mean, let me... I think you end up taking Juan Soto in that at bat, but I don't think it's crazy to say Yordaun either. Yeah, I mean, it becomes a convoluted conversation

just because, like, you know, I feel like, should Freddie Freeman be in an argument like that? You know? He's in the argument. I'm looking at the strikeout. Oh, Juan Silda strikes out more than Yordaun Alvarez. Okay.

You know? Comment down below. The one person that you'd want in a, you know, a game deciding at bat. I'm curious to see what the people have to say about that. Trev, I feel just a little dirty doing this. I think even without that, which I don't know if is fair for this exercise or not, it's the tricky part of all J.M. I think I would cast my vote for Yorda on.

You know, the walks, not only does he... 16 intentional walks, like, does that mean something to me? Like, kind of. like when it matters, we're not even bothering with that cap. Brent had four of those. The strikeouts is a really interesting argument. And hey, how about this? Look what happened to the Yankees in the World Series.

I think strikeouts are going to start to fade again. Like, I think it's already happening a little bit, but especially what we saw in the fifth inning of that World Series, giving yourself a chance is a lot better than not giving yourself a chance. put that on my tombstone. I'm going to cast my vote for Yordon. And I feel dirty to Uncle Brent. I was hoping you were going to say, Brent.

I could say Yordon. We could give it to the old John Bino. I thought about that, and I felt kind of dirty doing it. I'll be honest. Yeah. This one really is tough. It really is tough. And do we discount the 53 games that Yordaun played in the outfield?

Does he get a knock for that? because usually we do that for other positions, but I feel like DH is a little bit different where you don't get penalized if you just don't DH all the time. This is... D.H is so unique. Able to, but...

And I'm assuming he gets knocked... Yoron gets knocked a little bit because he's not a great defender out there. So maybe the war numbers will be better if he was strictly a D.H., but then you get points knocked off if you're only a D.H. So there's a lot of things going on here.

All of that to say that I, too, am going to vote for you. Jordan Elvrish. Just because of what I said. Look, D.H. What do you do? What's that called? Designated hitter, bro.

And if you're the guy that I want up in that situation, I think you have to go. The numbers are similar enough. Or I think that is the way that I'm going to decide between the two. So shout out, Brent. Hell of a year. You're earning yourself a lot of money. Happy for you because you don't have a lot of happiness playing.

in West Sacramento. No. But Yordon, you get it. Congrats. Congrats to Yordon Alvarez. Sorry, Brent, although I feel like he'll be in the van boat. And I sent the text to Jimmy

just to make him stir a little bit. Oh, I like that. Did we get another return for the second base? Not yet. Not yet. I need that. Rooker will enter the fan vote because he was incredible. Who else enters the fanbo?

It's Gunner. Right now Gunner, Rooker are the two obvious ones, right? Gunner, Rooker? I mean, Trev, do you want to throw in? Yeah, let me look at this. Let me look at this real quick. Do you want to throw in Riley Green? I don't...

You see my mind jump to as a potential toss in. I don't know if anyone fits in with those guys. I'm looking possibly we could do a... Breg or a Devers. But I don't think so. Don't think so. Not against it. I don't know.

Yeah, we got to have at least one more. Okay. Let's put Riley Green in there. Done. Get involved, Tigers fans. Get involved. Speaking of, Trev, we've always struggled with the pitchers and we are, God, it's a tasty episode.

We are deep in it. Are we dragon? that wagon you're dragon I'll let you cook if you want but I think Terrick Scouble is going to get our our pitchers award it's a runaway for me there and if we look at what happened throughout the year

Tanner Halk came out absolutely firing one of the first two months then Seth Lugo out of nowhere came and took it out of nowhere at a great year in June and then after that it's just been our guy Terrick he's ran away with it he'll be the Salyang winner,

Triple Crown winner, if I remember correctly, because we are far past the season now. 192 innings pitch, you gotta love that. But he's just kind of the guy. I mean, there was a lot of pitchers, you know, had some good years this year, but I think Terek is just a little bit

above everyone else in that category. And Treb, maybe, like, Scoobles going to win the Siong. We're still interested to see if Class A finish his second. So, like, that's, uh, he ended up just being a little better than Burns and Gilbert. Google's had a two three, a two, three nine on the year. 18 wins. And it's, and if you're, I think another thing that separates him for me was the amount of pressure that he had. Right.

As being like the only starter besides my guy Cater. in that Tiger's rotation. And if he blew up a start, that ruined everything that they were doing beyond that day. So he had to go seven innings. And I'm going to look at his game log right now. I'm very curious. He's going to win the award, but now I'm curious.

Yeah. And at Lugo Gilbert Burns, they had the same amount of quality starts. These guys were fantastic. But yeah, scoobel was just a little bit better. A little bit better. Okay. Trev?

Okay. He went six, I mean, just from July on, he went six or more innings in one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, ten, eleven, twelve, twelve of fifteen starts. Needed. They won a playoff series this year. Congrats, Terrick Scuba. Let's head over to the National League, Treff. this is you know I'm a sneaky NL guy

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There's a link in the description. Trev, I remember on the creation of this, and we wanted to be judicious with our silver daisies because it is such an elite, amazing feat that, you know, you didn't want it to get watered down over time. I don't think that's happening here because I think a man had an incredible season behind the dish for the Milwaukee Brewers,

and you might be, you still might be more familiar with his big bro who plays in the same division and was also bawling out again before he got hurt this year. William Contreras has run the table. It got nervous in the middle there a little bit. But he came out and the Brewers are winning games and is he a sneaky MVP candidate? He had a little bit of a tough summer,

but so did our guy Will Smith slowed down a little bit this year. A couple of the other guys you consider Staples, like Sean Murphy, you know, missed a ton of time this. year that he was out of it. William Contreras finishes the year with an 831 OPS, a 5 plus war depending where you're looking. Kind of every offensive category, he gets the nod at the catcher position,

and I don't know what else there is to say. Wow, the snaps are out. Silver, Daisy, William Contreras. Mind you, what did the Brewers get in for? Don't do the trade. Don't do the trade. where Ruiz, I think that's what it was. Yeah.

Oh, boy. No, he's been phenomenal. He's been, you know, kind of like the heartbeat of that team. And, I mean, to go pull to pull, again, this does not happen very often. I really, I truly believe this is like the hardest award to win in baseball, what we're doing here. And I don't know, there's nothing else to say, but congratulations on your Silver Daisy, man. Man, he finished, I know some of these final MVP votes get a little silly, but 11th in NL MVP last year,

I think he's going to be higher this year that if William Contreras puts up another big year, like who he is on the player pantheon, I think we really need to reconsider. And yeah, just Brewer's Devil Magic. Oh, we'll get involved in this trade. Why not? Yeah, throw them our way. He had such an interest. I'm looking at his year now month by month.

9.52, April, March, 837 May, and June, 535 OPS. But he still had done enough at that point to, whereas numbers were still there. I think that's important. People who aren't super familiar with this episode, it's not like he was the best player in April. And then he was the best player. It was, it's always cumulative. so then he went back 7.52 in July, one dotted it in August and 804 in September to October. And really, yeah, nobody else challenged him. Will Smith did have a down year. Will Smith has been second fiddle in this award since its inception. But nobody challenged him enough to take it away. And now he's got the Silver Daisy. Yeah, I mean, it's been a slight running joke, Will Smith, always the brides made never the bride. But his months, he had a great.

April March. I think he just got edged out. And then he really slowed down throughout the summer. I mean, May through August. And then he picked it up down the end. And then he won a damn world series. So Will Smith doesn't care about your daisy, maybe next year. Congrats William Contreras and the brew crew. At first base, Trevor Goof, another just stacked position throughout the years. Pete Alonzo just never gets mentioned. and he hits another 34 home runs this year. But the problem is you've got all these guys that are just incredible all around first baseman. Freddie Freeman, Matt Olson, Christian Walker, and Bryce Harper decided to come in from the infield. And this year, it started out with Freddie.

It went Bryce. It went Bryce. It went Bryce. It went Bryce. What do you have to say? I'm yeah I'm going with Bryce again here him and Freddie had comparable years but Bryce has just has just edged him out

a little bit in most of the categories 42 doubles for Bryce 35 for Freddie 30 homers for Bryce 22 for Freddie 85 runs for Bryce 81 for Freddie RBI is Freddie has him by two 89 runs driven into 87 You know, it's The slash lines are similar. Bryce hasn't beat. Freddie, you know, is a non-base percentage guy.

378 for Freddie, 373 for Bryce, but the slug leans heavily in Bryce's favorite, 525 to 476. So the end OPS for Bryce 898 for Freddie 854. The war number supported as well. So, yeah, I think Bryce is just, he just had a better overall year. He did. I thought there would be a little more of discussion.

Maddie Olson started off slow. Christian Walker gets hurt by the end. You know, Bryce had his kind of non-power surge part of his season. But, yeah, and this is what we've seen at this position throughout the years. It's kind of these small differences of who is slightly better. but Bryce almost clears the board with it. And you'll see him high on the MVP voting this year that snaps for Bryce Harper. How about him just learning first base?

I don't know where. A lot of, if the Yanks re-signed Soto, a lot of people want to see him make that move. And it's just not that easy. No, Bryce is a different kind of cat. A breed, man. He's a catcher. Yeah.

Remember that? Yeah. Weird. Weird. Put him behind the dish for a game. He was 16 playing in junior college. Just with more meat than like... Weird.

A kid that age is supposed to have. There's going to be a 30 for 30 on Bryce Harper and like all this stuff eventually. Was Harper bigger at 16 than he is now? I feel like he was just a cabio. Yeah, because he was probably going to like 7-Eleven and just like crushing donuts before. That's what people do when you're 16. Yeah, I used to be in the tequito game. I think that was like a replacement lunch.

Yeah, 7-11 was no free ads, but 7-11 was huge in my life, man. My dad is a pool man. Right. Every day we'd start there. He'd fill up his, like, you know, snacks for the day, and we would, yeah, man. Congrats. Man, National League second base. We are on Silver Daisy Watch again, because,

And maybe it's, this is the other guy that maybe Aaron Boone would do is, hey, I'm going to rip my arms off if I hear someone say this guy is underrated. I think he's properly rated. He's probably just not promoted enough. Kattel Marte put up another amazing season this year and has run the table. And Trev, it's because offensively and defensively, although I think he gets out gun defensively by a few. of these guys.

Can Cotel Marte put up a massive season? 932 OPS, 292 batting average, 36 home runs. You know, next on this list is Luis Garcia Jr. with 18. We've got Nico Horner and Jonathan India.

And Trev, unless you're seeing something different, these are different weight classes. The only knock on Catelle was 136 games played. You know, some of these other guys had 151. Beaver, so if you can pull up that savant page for Catell and put it on the screen. Oh, yeah? Is he like that? It's kind of like the electoral map.

There's a lot of red turned out. It is a lot. I mean, this is one of the better baseball savant pages you're going to see. Yo, yeah. Yeah. That's dark red. That's rural red. That's rural.

Didn't know he was in the 43%tile for a sprint speed. I feel like I have him in my mind as like a decent base runner, which he grades out well. But below average sprint speed is interesting. Was he nursing something? There you go. 2016, he was the man. Yeah, I mean, hey.

He slowed down a little bit. Fetel Marte is 31 now. And Trev, I think, dude, a 155. OPS Plus. Hey man, 31.2 career war. Like this guy has had an amazing career. He's on a pretty team-friendly contract,

16 mil the next couple years. We play for rings in the desert. Congrats to Cotel Marte. One of the best players in baseball. Silver Daisy. Silver Daisy. They had the best offense this year. They were a Mets loss from baseball.

Being in the dance, like, God, insane. We've given out three silver daisies for those counting. It's been Juan Soto, William Contreras, and Catelle Marte. Hey, honestly. Let's go my Latino brothers. Let's go. For what the guys did this year, I've got no qualms with that. At National League third base, Trev.

You know, something that's close to you for many reasons. We came out this year. I skip shortstop, and that's fine. I'll come back to it. Alecbohm.com. He was balling. He was, for a while, the most kind of consistent player on the Phillies,

although Harper, I guess, fully kicked into Cere. But the other L.L. 3rd baseman were figuring out their thing until your guy guy. Maddie Chapman came on the scene, and he took it over. Mani Machado's final numbers look a hell of a lot like Mani Machado as he was overcoming his early elbow injury to start the season. Eugenio Suarez from the top rope and his incredible second half got him on the sheet.

Mark Vientos hive. I think there will be a lot more talk about it next year. But where Matt Chapman landed offensively and obviously what he does with the club. glove, I think it's no contest. Yeah, he kind of ran away with it there as being an all-around player. Some of the offensive stats, you can go to Mark Vientos. I mean, Alec Baum did win it for the first four months before finally getting supplanted by Chappi there in August.

But yeah, I mean, I think with a lot of these guys, if you're looking at Bohm, Chapman, Machado, and Eugino-Svarez, all their Opses are within 10 points of each other. So, you know, you kind of negate that, and then you go where the defense lies, and that's Maddie Chapman right there. And Mark Vientos, you know, for all that he did and how good he was, and he'll be a fixture on this show for the foreseeable future, in my opinion, 111 games just wasn't enough for him. And that's not his fault. Mets, what is you doing, baby?

You have this guy this entire time, just let the kid play. It's pretty obvious when you watch him and the bat said, he was taking this year that he was your guy. I don't think he can even enter the conversation because of the lack of games. Yes. So if we're picking between those other four guys,

I think it's Chapman in a landslide. And, yeah, I mean, he did, look, he was on a contract with some opt-outs. He did so well there in San Francisco that they extended him. You're not going anywhere, big guy. Now, he owes me a lot of dinner. I took that guy out a lot.

151 mill? Is that where he landed at? I don't know. Just give me a nice... I mean, after taxes, you don't even want that kind of contract. How's your crypto, bro? Grats to your guy guy,

Maddie Chapman. Good for him, man. Really good for him. Going from that weird free agency into hopefully becoming a staple of a San Francisco Giants team that you know they're going to be in the mix this off-season.

with how and what we never know. People telling me Willie's a perfect fit there. I think there's a few teams that think that. They just got their shortstop in San Francisco. My guy. It's Gerald? Yeah. Storelli.

I love him. Claibor Torres. Speaking of short stops. Man, talk about a talent. Just snap for him? Well, hey. We can shout out the other guy. A couple guys came along the ride.

Our guy, Ellie Dela Cruz, was in the mix with some pedals this year. I just mentioned Willie Adomis and how great his overall season is Mookie Pets was playing there to start this year and then he gets hurt. Trey Turner, our guy, always ends up on a lot of these lists. But number two in the MVP this year is going to be Francisco Lindor of your New York Mets. Oh, my God. like an eight war season, the defense, the just misses 30-30. But he was incredible, man, and I'm glad we got to see him play in October, too. 100%.

I mean, even with dealing with the back issue there at the end of the season, he put the team on his back, which is, you know, how about that one? I didn't even mean to do that. Good job. It's the indoor. Yeah, there are some really good players. You know, you talk about Adomis and how much he's going to make. in free agency this year where is he going to go

he's an excellent player Elida de Cruz will be on this list and he'll probably win a Silver Daisy at some point I believe that he just has all the intangibles to go and do it but right now it's a big bad wolf in that group and it's Francisco Indoor snaps for Francisco

not Frankie 33 and 91 runs driven in and that's he's bad lead off people nuts nuts 67 swipes for Ellie though shout out Mason winning Zeke Tovar

the young NL shortstop's on their way to challenge next year and a shout out to the National League outfield Yeah man this this one has been messy all year We lost Ronald Cunia Jr. before the season Tatis never, like, fully kicked into gear during the regular season or the end of the postseason.

While meanwhile, a couple of his teammates, Jerkson Profar has done it the whole way, Trev. And this is, I don't want to say question mark, but is making us question things because the season he put together has been incredible. He's been a part of the outfield the whole way. Breton Doyle had centerfield Jazz Chisholm who ended up being the Yankees' third baseman

was in center field Jackson Merrill You know we've seen Brandon Nimmo on this list Brian Reynolds The last month coming into this was Doyle, Maryland pro far I think we have a center fielder So let's go with center fielder I'm casting my vote for Jackson Merrill

Who had an incredible rookie campaign, you know, seems to be, you know, one of these guys. I'd assume San Diego's looking to extend him before it gets out of hand. He's a dog, and he showed no signs of slowing down. Once he got that confidence, he was just the guy. So I'll, yes, snaps. I think Jackson Merrill in center field makes a lot of sense. Has the highest war of all these players and like, okay, all right, rook, so you landed

at 2.92, were you slapping it around the yard? He had a 500 slug. Yeah. He had the same slug as Teoscar Hernandez. Jackson Meryl. 24 homers, 90 runs driven in. He also swipes 16 bags. Dude, the way he plays and goes and tracks.

And he just learned center field this year, people. He is awesome. Jackson Meryl. Welcome to the club. I'm going to the savant page to see the grading. Okay. From there... 97%tile.

12 outs above average. Is that good? 90th percentile, an arm strength. He's a dog. It's really good. Trev, I mean, who do you want to bring to the table next? Because we don't need a center fielder. We don't need a center fieler, but we can have multiple if need be.

The slash line... So for me, outfield, once you get outside a centerfielder... center field, I probably value just offensive numbers more than anything. Do I want a guy that can play some defense? 100%. If I'm looking at this and I'm saying, who do I want, who had the best year offensively or one of the best years eventually, I still think our guy jerks and profile lands on this list.

You know, 839 OPS, 280 batting average. if you're into that. He swiped 10 bags, drove in 85, scored 94, hit 24 bombs. I think we have to give him the silver daisy, Jake, unless you could talk me out of this. Like the other guys I'm considering,

Corbyn Carroll, to Oscar Hernandez, I'm considering. What he meant to the Dodgers is a lot. So I think it would be between those three guys for the last two spots, but you got a, What do we say about the Silver Daisy, man? You've got to knock somebody off if they're up for the Silver Daisy.

And I don't think those guys did enough to knock Jerks and ProFar off. I think, like, the best argument I was going to give was probably Teosker, and the numbers are similar there, and Teosker's strikeouts are in a... This is where, I guess, the Yordan thing from before, if Jerks and Profar's name was Ronald O'Cunia Jr. with these stats, I think we'd already punch his ticket. And we'd be like, yeah, he's one of the best. What's our hesitation here?

And I think that's me. These are so similar, man. It's where the other side of that, even if his name was Ronald or Fernando or whatever. Dude, like Ian Hap's numbers are really close. Say a Suzuki, Brian Reynolds. It's all very, very close. All these guys are in such a similar bucket that I think I'm in on

ProFar, because I don't know Did they do enough to knock this guy off? I don't think there's anybody out there that knocked him off his Silver Daisy route. I just don't see it. Okay, how about this? If I

told you you had to pick one player between Brenton Doyle and Jerks and ProFar, which one player would you want? Because Brent Doyle He swiped 30. He plays a great center field. best offensive year of his career

let me tell you something man Jerkson ProFar made the play of the year for me in left field he made that shortstop-ass Jared Jeter throw from left field and who do you nail Moncie at third base or something I forget but that was a nice play it was a play of the year

so then what does he have on his savant page for defense very curious there not great pop wow okay this could be something that sways me a little bit

negative seven outs above average this is the play of the year by the way who do you get there why did you assume it was Muncie that was the twins that was I was there was Ryan Jeffers I said Muncie

I was there for that tough for Muncie that's insane guy I don't see look at this freaking play it's a great play that's an incredible play

but overall bad in the outfield, okay. This is tough. This is tough. Still has the war on his side. I'm not in on ProFar yet. He still has the war on his side, Jake. I'd rather have Doyle.

You think Brent and Doyle did enough to knock Jerks and Proffer off the Silver Daisy. Brent Doyle was on the squad last year. I still need a third outfielder. I'm just saying I'm trying to be as honest as possible. What Brent and Doyle did, this year with 30 swipes and the defense he plays, I would take that over Jerkson profile.

Say a Suzuki? Dude, that's what I'm, like... This is tough. I also might be getting too proud about giving out the silver daisy. You're saying you're like this, did he do enough to actually earn one? It was just an anomaly of a year. You're going the knocked off angle.

I'm wondering, did he do enough to earn this? prestigious award and I don't know Ian Hap just won the gold glove third time in a row what the freak of you know yeah he's so good he's so good so good with the lights off you know it you know it okay

I don't know man I don't know how we do this should we do a fan vote should we or do we just got to sack up and pick a few names here Bob are you out on Doyle I'm not out on Doyle This is a very tough lean for me.

I mean, I know what all these guys meant to their teams. Teosker, I think, meant maybe just as much as anybody to the Dodgers this year and what he was able to do. I know he's got a lot of guys that you'd pick in front of him on that team. Right. But I think he really, I don't even know if this is right word, stabilized that lineup or made it what it was. Right. I don't know, man. I don't know.

He had more swipes than pro far too. tasker had 12 swipes. Am I just being rude to pro far at this point? I think I get what you're saying, and I don't mind it, because it is. It's a difficult award to win, but I think... Because if you ask anyone, would you rather... You can't change our stance on that. You have to get knocked off. Right. To lose your Silver Daisy status, and he has not gotten knocked off. I don't believe

that. Nobody ran away with this. Again, war supports him. The fact we haven't mentioned Jackson Churio yet, where some of Corbyn Carroll's numbers landed after his slow start is insane. If we go by OPS in the NL outfield, it's Sayas Suzuki at 848. Okay. Teosker is next at 840,

and then it's ProFAR at 839. And if you're a weighted run created plus, it gives ProFar the nod, because I think a little San Diego effect there. That's how tight this is, and I think you've talked me into a casting my ballot for Profar. We've established rules. We can't just, we can't just.

All the way. All the way. Knock them off. A 380 on base, man. Like an amazing year. We put this graphic out, and it always goes nuts. I think people are going to be interested to see

this is probably going to be the most contentious part of this episode and we still have to pick another outfieler, bro. Do you have a last vote? I'm cast for Doyle. You're cast for Doyle? I'm not going to cast for Doyle, man.

Okay. I would cast Hey, Oscar. Okay. And possibly say it before I would go Doyle. And I love what Brent and Doyle does out there. Sure. Should we let Jim decide?

Yeah. I think this is our last one, and then we'll send Bebs out there to go get them because you're in my text per yush. Okay. So who do you got? We're not going to be in consensus for the third outfielder. So let him pick that.

So you're not even going to give a candidate? I will, T. Tosker. Okay. So Taya Oscar versus Doyle. Taya Oscar versus Doyle. Yeah, Bebs. I think I'm going to tell him about Draft Kings,

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Four additional terms and responsible gaming resources. See dkng.com.com slash FT Ball. Well, Bebs, I still want you to go. I did get my first text from Jim. It is about the AL second baseman. Oh, boy. Jimmy O'Brien texted, active hyphen go stores. And then he said LOL.

And he goes, Al Tuve, go stroze. So Jose Altoove. Congratulations. We win over? Second baseman. Simian. Fine with that. Bebs, if you still want to poke him, because we'll be wrapping this up in a second.

DH. National League DH, unfortunately. Not snaps, but claps, baby. Unfortunately for Marcel de Barrow-Zuna. Wrong place, wrong time. A little irony. Because he had a great season. He balled out.

He had a 925 OPS, you know, almost five war from a DH. Jack Peterson was incredible. Jack Peterson with a 900. He's going to land somewhere and hit again. Kyle Schwerber hit 38 Dongs. But I don't know if you remember this, Trev. But Shohei, 54 home runs, 59 stolen bases. He just missed the triple crowned by a couple hits.

1.036 OPS. I think we could give it up for Shohei Otani. And then, before, we get the John Bino's deciding votes. We have to give out an NL pitcher, Trev, and I... I don't know, it's where pitchers always get tricky. Is this Chris Sale?

Is this Zach Wheeler? Oh, we didn't mention, by the way, Shohei Otani, you just won a Silver Day. Just won a Silver Day. He's just wins, man. He wins. He just wins. I think everyone's starting to come to grips with that.

WBC, you got it. I mean, next on... Oh, my God. I forgot about that. Was that? That wasn't this show's last year. Okay. Dude, he's coming.

He's going to be coming for that Cy Young. Like, that's the only thing missing from his basement nowadays. Oh, there he is. The great Jim Bino. No basement's in. Nor Japan, I would guess. Earthquake. Yeah, we don't do bad.

We do addicts. Yeah. Okay. Well, still a basement. Secret room. He'll have a secret room. He has a secret room. He has a secret room.

Yeah, yeah. Jim, I sent you a couple texts. All right. Let's bang out starting pitcher and that Jim do a little bit research on it. I know, but I can't find the sheet. I type JM, I type TB. What the hell is this sheet called? 24, all John Boy Media.

Sometimes we do J.M. Jim, you do the research on the outfielders, and then we'll go ahead with the starting pitcher this year. It started out as Ranger Suarez's year. He won April. May and June before our guy Chris Sale took over in July and August. Ranger Swares ended up getting hurt. He's not on the final list here.

We love Ranger. He's one of our favorite starting pitchers in baseball, the DGAF King. I think, I mean, is this closer than I want to think it is? No, it's not. I mean, there's two very clear Cy Young winners this year. and Terrick Scoobel and this guy, I think I'm going to snap for Chris Sale and I think you're probably going to do the same thing.

I'm with you on sale. I mean, it's Zach Wheeler, every year, I mean, he's kind of the pitcher, like Will Smith at this point that, man, like this, how close is this guy to like three Sigh Youngs? Gosh, you're so right. Let me read, let me look at this. Like the quality starts is really interesting.

The innings are really... 26 out of 32 quality starts. Three more raining. than sale. You have bless hits than sale. He did give up more runs and more homers. I think that's where Chris Sale really did well this year. Only nine home runs given up on the year. Sheesh. 29 starts nine homers given up.

That'll help you out a lot. Sale has been K percentage and walk percentage. But Wheeler hasn't been whip and he's got him in opponent's average. Closer than I thought. I think I'm still going sale here, but Well, you know I'm an old head, so I'm going for the 18 and 3 record.

The FIP is drastic. Disgusting. 209 for sale, 313 for Zach. Obviously a great year for him there as well, but that's the pitcher's favorite stat right there. It's the pitcher's stat. Congrats to the Condor. Looking back on that. My God, they just traded for him, extended him. Yeah.

Here's your Sy Young. Miss the playoffs. They trade for him. It was Von Grisham and being willing to take the money. And they extended him. Extended off of the money. What are we doing guys? Such Braves.

Such Braves funny business. Okay, so who should be up for the fan vote? Ozuna, I think, has to be in there. He had a massive year. is it well I guess whoever we don't get to the final outfield spot I think we're

too hodgepodgey I think it's Freddy no it's Freddie for sure let me look Freddie Marcel and then Ellie to the Cruz Ellie oh yeah

yeah Ellie's been around it 67 steals for Ellie I don't think we said that before my God Okay, so we like that for the fan vote Jemima if you need a couple minutes We can do that for you

My laptop may die Because finding power seems to be impossible Altuve is my vote I don't understand why that is Why I was needed on that one I took Marcus Simeon The defense was So much better

Yeah, that's what I'm saying Second base defense means a means a lot. Defense means a lot in today's game. Ask the Dodgers. It does, but that's a position where I'd rather trade. I'd trade offense.

Shortstop, center field, catcher. I'd value that way more. I put... The offensive numbers aren't close. I put them in... The counting stats are, I believe. The slash line, no. But I put second baseman defense

in the same category as catcher shortstop center field. You do? I do. Watching Andres de Menez and Rokio play together is really fun. I just, I do value that. It's a good benefit. Like it can change your whole dynamic. But you still, like I wouldn't put a guy at second base if he can't hit.

Like it's not a, you can be there defense first. Sure. I think, yeah, I think if you look at the counting stats with Simeon, that was kind of my argument. He kind of had Al Tuve and most of them. Yeah, just the day and day out numbers Al Tuvei has a lot. Like he probably, if I did my nothing game stat, I'd be interested. It's just hits.

That's the biggest difference between Jose Altuva and Marcus Simian this year was hits. 14 swipes. Yeah, steals, extra base hits. I think extra base hits were dead on. Or Simian had him in extra base hits. 50 to 51, so. Yeah. I apologize now if you'd like.

It's one more for all two of them. No. I see that. I just think the slash slash line. 52 to 51, Simian. Damn electoral votes. 27.

Oh, I didn't, I was, I, I apologize. I didn't look at triples. Yeah. I'm a warehouse player. We don't have triples. I apologize. What's the outfielers? It's your Don versus Rooker.

for the DH, which has been a comedy show how close it's been, and we've kicked it to you a couple times. No, no, no, no, no. We didn't, we didn't do that. We did. We were aligned on DH. Oh. Oh, you, oh, my bad. You wanted that one? No, we weren't. Please make a decision. And then NL. Outfield or

to Oscar Doyle, or if you want to throw out kind of anyone, we're open because it got ugly. Jackson Merrill is in the club, and so is Jerksson Profar. Okay. I'd go your Don for D.H. We did too.

We both said you're done, yeah. Okay. And now I got to go to the... Jackson Meryl and Jerks and Profar are in the club. We gave you Tayasca or Brenton to choose, but if you want to go elsewhere, we're open. It doesn't need to be a centerfielder? No. We're open to secret third option at this point because it's wide open.

If you have a third option, you actually believe it. And we want this episode to run four hours, so take your time. Wait, so who's in already? I'm trying to Merrill has center profile Just one person That's time I need Because there's a lot of info coming on me

Merrill and who? Jerksson profile Okay So I won't look at them So Merrill covers center So you're fine there Yeah Do do do do do do

Do Oscar Pretty big into him Strikes out a lot Doesn't walk a lot I don't like that Doyle's center field defense But this isn't the center field spot Yeah I mean

If you're going to corner outfielders, I'm going to look at the slugging. It's like the first place my eyes are going to. If you're in a corner outfield spot, I want you to pop some homers. Best outfielder. Well, Merrill's got center, right? Right, but it doesn't. It doesn't have to be a center fielder, but Brent and Doyle should get some credit for being a very good centerfielder. Disagree.

If Merrill's the best center fielder, then Doyle's out. And you're judging everyone else equally. Yeah, as outfielders. Yeah. So I don't care about defensive. So it shouldn't have to be. corner outfielder. It's just outfielder. Well, Doyle's not cracking my thing at all if Merrill's in center.

Yeah. Because his numbers aren't. It's Tay Oscar. Thank you, Jim. We align together, baby. Me and you. Yeah. Congratulations. Teosker, jerks and Profar, who won a Silver Daisy, James. Because our point has always been, you got to knock. He was in line for a Silver Daisy.

And although the statistics at the end of the year were similar, you got to knock somebody off. Yeah. been our precedent. He had a great year. And nobody did it. Everyone's just shocked at it. So we actually gave away four, I believe, this year. Damn, who else?

I think there's more. Shohei got to the DH. Showing. William Contreras got to the NL Catcher. Juan Soto. Juan Soto got it in the outfield. And Kattel Marte. So five.

And if Gunner wins the fan vote, he, four of them were fan votes, but. What's the fan vote? Fan vote instead of you, too. Some struggles with that on this program, so we open it up to the people. That's who we are.

Save a guy. Give him a say. That's who we are. Anything else, boys? I think that's it. Judge Soto and... That's a question. Like who got the last one?

The final outfield? Yeah, A.L. Outfield. Duran. Duran. Nice. Yeah. Yeah, he deserved it. Got McDonald's with him this year.

People forget right after the All-Star Game MVP. Treve, your performance in Blitzball Battle, game two. Not even on the field. I'm just talking about as a character and persona. This was one of my favorite displays of Trevor, the humbled heel. Thank you. Yeah, I'm really searching for my voice. It's hilarious.

I think I found it. It's really good. Well, that was maybe the longest all-j-jam episode of all time. There was a bathroom break in there. that. We're yucking ball. We love the yuck ball. Thanks, everyone. Subscribe. We gotta take it seriously. It's the hardest award to win. Next Monday. Chris Rose.

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