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Hello and welcome to talking baseball. We are going to be discussing everything that happened this week. A lot happens. Nothing happened. Something happened. Let's do it. Hello and welcome to talking baseball. Thank you very much for joining us today.

It's May 17th, 2024. My name is Jimmy Trevor, joining us from California, producer BBD in the corner. And we will be discussing baseball in the major league. Baseball in the major league. I guess that does, that is a sound sentence. Jake's not here. From Europe. Yeah.

Jake's not here. He's on vacay. He's got an empty seat. Empty seat right there. Trev, you filled in with Carl Ravich last episode. That was pretty cool. I loved it.

I told Carl, I was like, man, like you're just one of those guys I've listened to and watched for so long. It's like, you're almost like not real. But you're real. I was talking to him. That's cool.

Did we share an elevator with him once, B, B, B. Or is that? No, no, that was the guy who does Santa Maria. Oh, Vescursion. He's been at the, he's been at the Yankee Stadium a lot. Yeah. And we've been there. One question I did not ask Carl, which I should have.

I was very curious. Like, where does the energy come from? Is it natural? Because he always just, just like, he does a lot. I mean, some people have it. Like Nick Swisher, Carl Ravich. Yeah, Nick Swisher. Other people are really good at, uh,

containing it and faking or doing it like Chris Rose. Like what Chris Rose does at the warehouse. True. He's very tired all the time. But when he's off, Mike, he's, you know, resting. But, well, those days are crazy. He's doing four games a day. And he's so energetic for those.

He's really good. You're right. Now, that was good. Even some of the quotes by him got picked up. I saw like an ESPN article talking about it or something like that or another article. So good stuff. All right. For those listening, I haven't been on a Friday episode in a long time,

and I want to be, uh, we'll be transparent with you. I made the, the structure today of kind of what I've always wanted these shows to be like. So we're trying a new structure out. And it is as such. Uh, first, we're going to do American League burn. I'll do it. It'll be more informative than witty because I'm not Jake. He's great at those.

Then Treb's going to give you updates on standings and movements, what that meant. Then we'll do the National League right. way. Same thing. Recap, burn, what it means for the standings. Then we'll go into the second part of the show where we're going to just cover some topics. We have Texas pitching woes, Astros and Rangers on the move. Wows and goes, I added, because there has been some good. Ron Washington calls out Luis Guillermo doesn't sugarcoat anything over there. Steve Cohen tweets about the deadline and then deletes it and then corrects it. Adly Rushman saves the Orioles sweet. plus streak with a walkoff homer.

Padres fans boo their own team like New Yorkers. What the hell? And then any loose threads, odds and ends at the end will cover. That's the agenda. Thank you for hanging with us and being the best audience around, making us the biggest baseball show around. And I do have to tell you this is an ad read, but it's not really an ad read because it's for Jerry Blevins whiskey.

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yeah yeah yeah that's open i think all right let's get right into it american league action i'm going to run you guys through what took place. Here we go. Toronto went down to Baltimore for three games, but the middle one got rained out. In game one, Canoe blows the save and the Orioles lose. Their fourth straight, Corbyn-Burn start. That's not good. In game two, the Jay's had the lead. They bring in ICF as a defensive replacement in the bottom of the ninth. He can't make the play on the ball hit to him, which leads to an Adley Rushman walk off Homer. They split the two games. The Rays and the Red Sox got sloppy over four games. Game two went 12 innings and has some of the sloppier baseball play. You'll see. It was crazy. Actually, I have a clip if Trevor wants to see it.

The Sox had seven pitchers give up an earned run in the series. Not great. The Reyes won three out of four. Guardians and Rangers. They played three in Texas. Game one was a pitchers dual between Lorenzen and Bibi. Then the Rangers pen blew it. Game two, lighter, not great, Bob. Rangers did salvage the series in game three with John Gray on the mound, but for the Guardians, Jimenez and J. Ram, hot and get it done. So the Guardians took two out of three.

Seattle hosted Kansas City. They took two out of three. Four words for you. George Kirby, Luke Rayleigh. George Kirby's just awesome. Luke Rayleigh opens the scoring in game one and game two, closes it in game three, had a big series. Our Yanks took on Trev's twins in Minnesota.

The Yankees allowed a lead-off home run in game one and then recorded 81 consecutive outs without allowing a run. Judge hit the shit out of every single ball he swung at, basically. Twins got swept by the Yankees. The White Sox hosted the Nationals in a series that had to have, more scouts in attendance than fans because these teams should be trading. Trevor Williams had another good start. Trade him. Fetty had another great start.

Trade him. Crochet tosses five scoreless. Scorless Copac records to save his fifth scoreless outing in a row. Trade him. White Sox take two out of three. I included the White Sox in the American League because they won the series. That's your American League. Round up.

Trev, can you let the people know how everything I just said affected the standings. Yes, I think we're going to be very happy with how I start, because we're going to start in the American League East where your Yankees jumped the Baltimore Orioles. They're sitting at 30 and 15, one game above the Orioles for 27 and 14. Tampa above 500, 23 and 22. Boston's sitting right there, dead even, James, 22 and 22.

And Toronto, what's going on in Toronto, man? I feel like we ask that every single episode. at the end of the ALEs at 19 and 23. And the central Cleveland, they just win, man. They just get the job done. They're 27 and 17. And I just,

they're finding ways to win baseball games. Josh Naler is, as he, like, as he turned into like a real deal thing? Because, like, if you look at his last 162, James,

it's nuts. Something happens. Kansas City takes over second place from Minnesota. They're 26 and 19. Kind of love that whole story with them. I love just the way they're playing baseball. Paul, Minnesota. Horrible series. We just, you flush it, James.

You flush it series. They're 24 and 19. The Tigers are 21 and 22. And the White Sox are 14 and 30. It's a tough one. And in the West, the Mariners 24 and 20. Pause real quick. Bebs, play the music again.

I fucked up. The Astros swept all four games against the A's. I don't know how it didn't get copy and paste in my notes. Bregman makes a swing change and goes off. Seven hits, three homers, two double. for him. Javier and Framber with great starts. Blanco suspended, but the Astros now have won five in a row and are having some big people have big performances. All right, Treb, back to the Sandings. Of course those Yankee fans wouldn't talk about the Astros. In the West, I'll go back to it.

24 and 20, those Seattle Mariners are there. Texas 23 and 22. Houston, not dead. Like, not dead. 19 and 25. They're in third place in the west. They're over Oakland now, who is 19 and 27, and the Angels down there at 16 and 28. I think that might be the biggest thing I take away from this week is Houston up here. Breggie, making a swing adjustment.

You talked about it a little bit. He was talking about his hands. He was getting wristy, throwing him out there. Had to use the body a little bit more. So here we go. He was doing it like a pickaxe, was his motion instead of like a swing

he's so through it and it was pretty cool I don't know if anyone saw this I believe it was on MLB network Chris Young gives him a call and says hey man we just like show us what the heck you worked on

and Bregman pulled over like in a residential area and just gave a demonstration that was pretty cool if he gets going and the ass shows are who we think they are it's going to be

receipt season for people here it comes there's Bregman just hop up I'll just go on this person's grass. Probably not even his own grass right there. Just next to his car.

Why was he thinking that? He's never done that before. I don't know. Why was he doing the X? I don't see a difference in the side-by-side they show either. But that doesn't matter. It's mentally what you think is a hitter. That's a different pitch and his posture was a little different.

I don't like that swing. The hands, what he says, he was originally thinking, like he wasn't doing that. It's just mindset stuff. Yes. But yeah, I don't know why he was thinking. He's always been a knob to the pitcher's face type of guy. That's his thing.

Yeah, I don't know why he was thinking that. It's weird. Anyway, yeah, the Astros five in a row. I mean, they kind of just let everyone know like, no, no, no, no. The A's are the A's and we're the Astros. They just needed a little scandal to get them going. That's all we needed. Yeah, that's funny.

Yeah, we'll talk about that in a little bit. All right, let's jump right to the National League where we have. Let me make sure I don't miss one. One, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight series. The Phillies and the Mets had a four game home and home series. It opened with the Phillies winning an extras on the road. It closed with the Mets winning on extras on the road, and the Phillies won the two games in the middle.

They're hot, but the Mets avoid the four games sweep. The Cubs went to Atlanta and got shut out in games one and two, but they win game three. They do not get swept. Great starting pitching in this series from both sides. Imanaga and Assad, is that of your say it? They had great starts for the Cubs. Sale and Lopez great starts for the Braves.

Zach Short got traded to the Braves. This was the first series where he got starts. He started all three. He had hits in all three. Way to go, Zach Short, our dude, a brave third baseman. Pirates and Brewers slugged it out over three games in Milwaukee. The Brewers had six homers from five different players in this series. Contreras, Freelick, and Ortiz all had a big week with the bats.

And Gary homered, and I saw it, and it was beautiful. The Reds and Diamondbacks split games one and two in Arizona, and then the Debecks won the rubber match with fought on the mound. Kevin Newman four-hit game in game one. Ketel Marte has a 15-game hit streak going, but it's one of those non-interested. Unimpressive hit streaks because he's not hitting for extra base hits at all Still cool Rockies sweep the Padres more on that later in the show Dodgers win games one and two in San Francisco They don't win game three Yamamoto gets got for the first time in a while it's not even it's not brutal but of note

Gavin Stone and Logan Webb dealt Cardinals went to Anaheim they took two out of three from Ron Washington's angels the angels are up for nothing going into the seven inning of game one, and then the Cardinal scored eight runs in the inning. Yikes. The rest of this series is just, nah, all around. Like all the Cardinals starting pitchers lines, all the hitting lines are just like, meh. Marlins shut out the Tigers twice in a three-game set in Detroit.

Yep, the Marlins blanked the Tigers in 25 out of 27 innings. They gave up six runs in game one. Only three were earned. So the Marlins pitched 26.1 innings with zero earned runs against the Tigers. Only one of the eight pitchers

they used allowed earn runs. Tigers, that's awful. What are you, the twins? Oh, you had that one in the holster. That's your National League. What did that do in the standings, Treb? Anything? Freaking Marlins shutting out the Tigers

is like something you type in a chat, GBT, and it would spill that out. makes a lot of sense to me. That's all I'm saying. All right. In the National League, in the East, Philadelphia, best record in all of baseball. Yeah, but what's their schedule look like?

Shut up. They're 31 and 14. People are taking care of business. What are you supposed to do? Atlanta, 26 and 14. How did they played so many less games in the Phillies, whatever. And then that's the only two teams in the NL East above 500 because Washington, although they've played better than people that expected,

They're 20 and 22. The Mets will get into them in a little bit. They're 20 and 23. And then Miami way, way down there at the bottom 13 and 32. In the central Milwaukee, man, I knew it. Everybody knew it. They were going to be good this year because everyone thought they were going to be bad. 26 and 17.

The Cubs right behind them at 25 and 20. And then we saw a little bit of movement at the bottom here of the division here. Pirates in third place at 20 and 25. The Reds and Cardinals. swapped. The Reds are 19 and 25, and the Cardinals are 18 and 25, even after they won that series. Katie Wu said, possible jumping off point for the Cardinals in a good way, meaning could this series get them going? I don't know, because it's against the Angels, Katie. The Dodgers out West, 29 and 17, they're doing what they're supposed to be doing. The only team above 500 in the West, James, as the Padgers are 22 and 24 after getting swept.

the Diamondback sitting at 21 and 23 Giants at 20 and 25 That kind of makes sense to me too We thought all three of those teams Would be jumbled up And they are all jumbled up And then the Rockies sitting at the bottom 15 and 28

So the Cardinals won a series But lost ground in the division And are now in last place After winning a series So I don't know how much of a jumping off point The week was for that. Well, you got to win series. I think Katie's, you know, she's grasping for anything.

I like it. It is funny to me that the National League, after from Monday to Friday, the only difference is that that the Cardinals and the Reds flip spots. It's really it. Everyone else stayed, you know, ranked or wherever place the same way. But the Rockies do pick up a game and a half. That's big. Hey, I mean seven in a row for them, I believe it is.

Yeah. Yeah, we have. For Kelsey? that is fun let me see let me see what else I was going to look at oh yeah so then

it's just bad for the Padres because they get swept so everyone coming up on them is just way closer now because everyone else I said there was one and a half game separating those three teams

and they are that's what we thought would happen I mean there I think the Padres if I go in that group real quick James if I'd say Padres Arizona San Francisco

I'm saying I think the Padres have the best roster. They've had the best quote unquote fringe player play. Jackson Merrill, Jerks and Pro Far. I think Michael King is probably overperforming what people thought he would do. And then Arizona and San Francisco underperformed, I think. So far, in my opinion. Yeah, and if we were to keep doing this format, we'd probably add in wild card jumping and all that because it is so important.

Not yet. think wild card comes into play just yet. Yeah. But because of the Phillies and the Braves, like the East looking like it's going to be a two-team division, then the Cubs and the Brewers right now, you know, that's the Cubs, Padres, Diamondbacks might be the three-team race throughout the season, unless you believe in the Mets, which is a topic later on in the show. Who believes in the Mets? Does the owner believe in the Mets?

Yeah. All right. So there you go. That is what happened over the weekend. One note on what you said about the Braves, like for people trying to say, yeah, but they had an, or the Phillies, they had an easy schedule.

Duh, that only works when you, when it's the opposite. You're supposed to get fat off the bad teams. They're doing exactly what there's, it's not a knock. Like you could. Well, people are knocking it. They're saying there's,

you're getting too much press. In the power rankings, I think we had them second to the Dodgers. Oh, but you have you seen their schedule? And that's exactly what I said. James is like, they're doing what they're playing at a 700 clip.

Like that's what you're supposed to do against these teams. And they've dominated, not just, you know, been okay against them. Yeah. And some of those teams, um,

this early in the season, they're below 500 because they lost to the Phillies. Exactly. Padres are what one game under if they were. If they had taken some games. Yeah. Yeah. The Mets are close.

Um, and then that is, but that is worrisome. about your twins or the central division in the A.L. I don't know if the twins have 15 wins against teams below and nine against teams above. They still, I don't want to make this a twins thing, James, but you're forcing me to do it right now. They're still getting get Royce Lewis back. My point is.

They're going to get Byron Buckson back. And they're going to be a better team if they can just stay on the freaking field. They need those guys. My point is that you can't knock the Phillies. supposed to get fat on bad teams. You can be a little concerned. I still think not a lot right now about teams that are doing the opposite. Like that's a one-way criticism when you look at like power of schedule.

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The Rangers sent lighter down. He went 1.2 and got rocked. And we'll get into that. The Scherzer's got bad news. He's back on the 60 day right now. And then in Houston, Blanco gets suspended. But I came up with this headline before Framber and Javier dealt for Houston. So then I change it to the Texas woes and goes because John Gray also dealt in the game three for Texas.

So it's like, okay, he's pitching staffs are interesting. I thought woes and goes meant woes for the Rangers and all. the people that are on the aisle and goes meaning get out of here blanco that's what i could have meant that but yeah like it was woes and then both teams just had like really good starts you're like oh okay they went yeah we we've we've known about the woes and the rangers rotation for a while i mean de grom and shirzer haven't been there all year de grom you know he actually made a rehab start there was the whole talk about the spread that he bought both teams everybody got air pods he was doing it big time which smacks i can shout out that's awesome man

man. But then, yes, he had a setback. He's had a bunch of different stuff done to him. You mentioned he got put back on the 60 day. He had a quarter zone injection. He had Botox in the shoulder in the neck area. That was on May 9th. And that's when you have some nerve issues, you know, they try to do something like that to alleviate the pain. But when is he eligible to come off? May 28th is the earliest he's able to come off now. I'd imagine we're probably going to be. way past that date. So they're going to be waiting a little bit longer for him. And then DeGrom isn't eligible to come back until, I'm not eligible, but he's not going to be back until late July, August, something like that. So this is going to be interesting to follow because we say this about teams a lot.

They have guys on the IL like this. It's basically making two massive trades. You know, DeGrom and Scherz are coming on to the team. How are they going to look? I think that's obviously a question, but definitely a welcome, a welcome back for them with this ranger's rotation, all the IL are pitchers on the aisle they've been dealing with.

The Rangers rotation, like Fangrafts only has four guys right now. John Gray, Andrew Heaney, Lorenzen, and Jose Urania, who they picked up as like a minor league option at the end of spring training, I think, and he was started the year in the bullpen. since made two starts because they just need help.

And he's been good in those two starts. Now against Oakland and Colorado, but, you know, helping them out innings-wise too, like not just two or three. They've only had eight starters make starts. And I don't know, I guess I'm trying to think, is that a big number for this time in the year? I mean, I think so.

I don't think that's crazy. I don't think it's not like a huge number, but especially if you have some spot starts like that. Yeah, I don't think it's an, I think it's, I don't think it's unheard of, but I think you'd probably more look at, like, how many have made like three starts and they've had seven pitchers make three starts. That's got to be rare. Yeah, I mean, the bulk of the guys have made their starts.

Lorenzen has made six starts, Dunning Nevaldi's seven, he needs eight, and John Gray is nine. I mean, those guys have... What's another team with, like, pitching? Like, we know he's had some injuries. Oh, yeah, the Astros. Oh yeah, the Astros That's why we're doing the whole fucking segment I'm trying to think you

Another team that's gone through The Braves who's gone through some Some injuries Yeah, I'm trying to just find a count The Mets have had six make multiple The Astros have also had eight make starts And the Astros have had seven make five starts Yeah

Wow That's crazy So just on the Rangers There's one thing about lighter that I want to talk to you about. They have to just keep him at AAA the rest of the year, right? I don't know, James. So I'm glad he brought him out because I wanted to talk about it. I've watched two of his starts.

And I watched the first start against Detroit and kind of had, you know, I was underwhelmed, if you will. And I said, yeah, that's his first start in the big leagues. Like maybe it'll turn around. But what I saw, I think, is something he's definitely going to have to figure out. everything looks different out of his hand. I think there's two things that have made him hitable at the big league level. Number one, everything looks different out of his hand. Fastball, slider, curveball, they all kind of like pop differently out of his hand.

So that makes it easy for a guy that's at the plate saying, hey, now I can really just sit fastball and react to the breaking ball. That's a common thought process, but there are pitchers that make that very difficult to do. If you have a guy that his pitches look the same coming out of his hand, you're saying, I'm going to sit fastball and react to the ospy. Well, if everything looks the same out of the hand, that becomes very difficult for you as a hitter. If you're facing Jack Leiter, everything looks different coming out. So you really can just sit fastball. And the other problem is his fastball is beginning. Absolutely demolished James. I think there's a negative 11 run

value right now through three starts. It's straight. He has not located it whatsoever. He's falling behind and counts having to throw that thing. And it's getting crushed. It's he's going to have to, so what he has to do to figure it out and get another shot at the big level and, and have some success is he's got to figure out a way to, I think maybe throw the curveball less and that slider needs to really tunnel with his fastball.

And then maybe he's either got to locate that fastball perfectly because it's not like blowing people away either. I mean, he's not throwing it 102 miles and out. He's throwing it, you know, 94 to 96 and, you know, maybe pop in 97 every once in a while. That's, that doesn't scare hitters anymore, especially if it's straight. So he either has to locate that much better than he's done, or he's got to add some movement to it. Something has to happen because right now guys are just teeing off on the heater,

but it's because they can sit it because everything looks so different. You can't do that to big league hitters, man. You can't give them a freaking inch because if they can pick up the ball early on you and, you know, decipher the pitches, it's game over. And that's what we've seen from him. Trying to find, like, the release point data. Forget where they show that.

A baseball, Savon, is it like a visualizer. That could literally show you, like, Davy Garcia's problem with the Yankees was that. And you could see his release point. And it was just like curveball here, fastball here, which when you get to the big leagues and guys are just going to pick you apart. But you're right, the fastball has an 893 slugging against. Holy shit. 11 hits,

four doubles, two home runs, two triples, and 28% with percentage, but maybe that's because it's not accurate. If you look at,

you know, the heat map of his fastball, I mean, it is up in the zone, but not up enough. So, like, kind of, like, right in the sweet spot,

and he's just throwing it in the middle of the plate a lot. That's going to get hit. I don't even care if you throw 102. I mean, I guess maybe Mason Miller and though by you with that. His is pretty stray, but he also has a nasty

wipeout slider. Anyways, Jack Latter doesn't have that, and he's getting nailed because of it. It's just kind of everything has gone wrong for him, and I'm not rooting against this guy. I want to see him improve, but he definitely, I say it all the time. It's a different level. Triple A in the big leagues

is a different level. Guys are just better at hitting mistakes in the big leagues. They're not going to miss mistakes in the big leagues. And he's just, like I said, falling behind the count too much, throwing the ball in the middle of the plate too much, and things just look different out of his hand. It doesn't even have to be a release point necessarily. It could just be how the ball comes out of the hand. I was going to say the release point's pretty much the same. So you're saying

maybe the slider just like floats out and they don't tie. Yeah. Fastball comes out here. Slider comes out here. Curr ball comes out here. It's like you see it right away. Okay. When you're in the box, you just see the ball out of the hand and you know that's that pitch. and the good pitchers or guys that have that deception, you don't know what pitch it is until almost like it's too late. So what I think, because again, I want him to be successful and good, but it's not like go do five starts and come back up.

It seems like if you want the long-term investment, you got to send him the AAA, let him work on all this stuff and like come back up, feeling like a new guy, because it just hasn't, I don't think you can go up and down with him. Well, shit, five starts now, I feel like it's a lifetime because in between you're throwing these bullpins in front of the cameras,

if they have a set plan and say, all right, this is what we're going to do. Like, let's get in front of the cameras, let's try to, you know, a little, a grit manipulation, something like that. I don't think he'll be up in five starts unless they need him, like, which maybe that will come up. But I agree.

He just needs to go down there and not pitch, not think about pitching at that level. Think about this is what I got to do at the big league level because now he knows. I mean, three starts in and you've gotten hit around like that. You're like, okay, I, he's probably gone to his pitching coach and said, what do I got to do? Can you help me?

He's also got to be, if it's not tipping, it's just people being able to pick up on it. And this start, zero swings and misses on the slider, cutter, or change up, one whiff on the curveball. And that could be that could be something too. I haven't deep dove on that. I know you and I love to do it. So maybe we'll get into it.

But from what I saw, just watching him, I was like, this guy's going to get hit. Okay. So on the Rangers side, go trade for Fetty. Okay.

All right. You need a pitcher. He's got a year of control. So maybe just a true rental, Williams or something. Well, when it comes down to it, when everyone's back and healthy

and you can go, Gray, Heaney, Lorenzen, Ievaldi, DeGrom, Scherzer, like you got six guys you can kind of call to and Dane Dunning too. So eventually the depth is going to be there. And I, you know.

So on the... How long do you got to wait? Yeah. And but you just got to get a guy you can put the bullpen, you know? Yeah. The Astro side of this conversation, Framberg has a great start. Javier has a great start against the A's. So that's good.

Blanco, the best starter. I mean, very early for like, Sy Young Award getter gets popped for sticky stuff and guess what? The umpire said that's the stickiest stuff I ever felt which they've said about every time

they've suspended someone that is like the line MLB has them say. Has anyone? Has there been an ump that's done like that's caught multiple because they can't say that for all of them? Yeah. The other guys is like if this is the first one you've caught

then it would be the stick. No no it isn't Phil Cousy like He got the first like three right? Yeah. But that's what they say. Sticky stuff. ever felt. So it was, uh, on his non throwing. It was on his glove. Yeah. Um, so a spota kind of came out and had a weird quote where like kind of made it easy for them to suspend. It's like, yeah, you had it on his non throwing. I guess you're not supposed to do that.

I mean, that there, I mean, that's there is rules. So like people, you know, I, I, I talked about this a little bit on talking, or baseball today, excuse me. And, um, there are rules that say, yeah, you, you can't have that on your glove or your or your non-throwing hand, but like in reality, it's very difficult to not like cross-contaminate, if you will. Like this, what's this guy supposed to just hold his hand out away from his body? Like, until he goes to the ball. It's, that's not an easy thing to do, especially like, I mean, has people put a rosam bag on their hand before?

It puffs. You throw it up and it shoots powder out. Yeah. Kind of everywhere. And then you sweat and it does get really sticky. This is the thing. People are going to label him as a cheat. and it's the Astros, so they're going to go overboard on it.

But nobody cares about that. And if it is something different, if it's a foreign substance that you're not supposed to use, I mean, yes, then I'll think a little bit differently of it. But all hitters care about, and the reason this all got brought up and the sticky stuff situation and glove checks and all this got brought up is because guys were using stuff that enhanced their performance. their spin rate was jumping three 400 r pms if that isn't happening nobody cares not not one hitter will care if he's using stuff to grip the ball and his and his

spin has not been affected not one hitter cares about it so that's like is sunscreen what are we doing legal or illegal or just happenstance i think it's illegal if you're doctoring baseballs with it but like how can you that's one of the things how can you how can you combat that. I mean, you can't tell someone not to wear sunscreen. And it really is. Dude, sunscreen and rosin and sweat is. Yeah. So that's why if you watched any game before the crackdown, and this was pictures that weren't using the pint with the, what was it called the stuff? Spider-Tack. The spider tag shit. Like, but, you know, not to name names. Well, I won't name his name. There was a bald pitcher for the Yankees that also played for the Blue Jays. And I just visually,

was it him? Now, I don't want to be mean. remember after every pitch. I used to like point out breakdowns just grabbing their forearm like this, right? Mm-hmm. So when Blanco says it was on my non-throwing arm, usually you would see them take the rosenbag, grip it, grip it, and then slap it on their arm. And that's an arm that's got a lot of bullfrog sunscreen on it. So then they can just go this after pitches and they're, they just have better grip.

Now, that's not the spider tack level gluing your hand to the ball. That was like why it's illegal. If that was the peak of what pitchers were doing, I don't think we would have had the crackdown. But that's why he's, if someone's like, why would you put Rosin on your other arm, that's what they do.

And you could just have a sweaty arm and not have sunscreen, which is everybody does that. Position players do that. Catchers do that. Like that is just to grip the baseball. Nobody cares. Not one big league hitter will say,

oh, I don't want him to be able to grip the baseball. You want him to be able to get the baseball. You just don't want it to be performance enhancing. And if you look at his spin, numbers in that game. They did not jump. They jumped 10 RPM, which is negligible. You know, you always have to have a baseline.

So when, you know, you could say, oh, well, he's always been this. So that's why his RPMs have always been up because he's always been using it. I don't know, man. Like, how are we ever going to find a baseline? I don't know. All right. Let's like, yeah. It's to me, and I think most hitters, nobody really cares. I'm not going to

consider Renel Blanco a cheater. I'm not. Just got too sticky for him. Got a curb it somehow, I guess. Babes, can you play this Ron Washington press conference quote for the people that haven't heard it? Lefty on lefty. I didn't think a ball left-hander. I didn't want him to hit into a double play. He can handle the bat.

He didn't do the job. It wasn't anything I did wrong. He didn't do the job. I would have rather went to the ninth inning with a six-six-six lead than it went to the ninth inning the way we did. It didn't work out. Very good ones. We fell behind five-nothing. We fought back.

we tied the ball game. We had a good matchup. Lefty got us. Into the game, the homer in the lefty hit was the game. Lefty got us. Try to do something to get back in the game. It didn't work in our favor.

But other than that, I thought we did a good job of battling and staying in the game, not giving in, and we got beat. So what do you got on? I've talked about this before with Joe Adele, where, and here's the pitch.

It's a very hard pitch to bunt, but Guillermo also. looks like a guy that like but it's also a squeeze doesn't practice bunting because nobody practices bunting anymore especially not a squeeze like a suicide squeeze where you can't show it early like it's got to be like you know a delayed reaction where you get it out there so uh this is the first time where i'm like oh ron because i've been on inside when he like told adele like when jo Randall ran past the bag didn't slide and and Ron Washington was like that can't happen again like that's that happens again he's sitting I like that because like that was so egregious this kind of like feel

bad for georma putting him in a real tough spot and then blasting him what do you got your manager did I feel the same way I feel like look um first of all suicide squeeze or probably got to rename those in the coming years people start to think about it we don't do with those a lot so it doesn't get said a lot but I think now this is getting a lot of traction. Anyways, it is that. It's a, I don't know, is it a high percentage play? Is it a low percentage play? Like, I think it's a low percentage play nowadays

because you just don't practice bunting. Like if you're not going to bunt all the time, this is why bunt plays, it's just one bunt play because you don't practice some. You know, in spring training, you practice six bunt plays and you never run them. You play one, let's just getting out. That's what you do because you don't practice it.

you don't want to look a fool. I mean, how often have they practiced bunting? Yeah, you might bunt two every time you get in the cage to start your BP round off. But are you bunting lefty, lefty sliders? Like, you're just not. You'll bunt a guy throwing 60 miles an hour at you max, or maybe you're doing it off a machine that's throwing it straight. Like, you're not bunting lefty, lefty sliders.

So obviously he put him in a situation that's very difficult. And he says, you know, yeah, you're a big league. You're supposed to be able to do all these things. But again, like the game has changed so much. Like we're not, we're not doing that. That's old school. That used to be what big leaguers do. Big leaguers don't do that anymore.

You don't ask him to do it until it gets to a situation like this. And like, yeah, like the effort, I'll say that, the effort was not great. Front foot was going towards first base. The ball was going the other way. He wasn't even close to it. So like even if the ball was like not as far into the other batters box, maybe he doesn't get it down either. But I just think I didn't love the call. for a couple of reasons. Number one, lefty, lefty, he mentioned that. Well, the slider is very difficult.

You don't pride his bunny, all of that. But you also had Nico Goodrum on the bench as a switch hitter. If you wanted a righty lefty matchup, you could have went and got it. Yeah, I hope we've had a lot of these older, Dusty, Dusty, sorry, we've had a lot of older managers come back in the game, right? White Sox did it, it didn't work out. Dusty Baker's doing it. Bochie does it, it works out. Dusty does it, it works out. Buckshoulders were the Mets didn't work out. But we've seen it a lot happen. And I've liked that. And I think we're, you know, we hit the peak of managers don't matter. Now, okay, there is some feel that you need for the game.

I've been excited for Ron Washington in Anaheim. But this one to me is, I was like, I hope he's not managing through the media and just the media. How do you, you got to talk with Guillermo and know that if he can bunt or can't bunt, I appreciate honesty in the media. He just got over to the team. He just got there. This one to me, I was like, dude, I, you don't need to be. doing all that. And it was the first time I had that reaction. I was like, that seems like a little

too far. I honestly didn't even think about that. This guy just got over to the team. And what kind of relationship would Giormei have with Ron Washington before? He's been on the Mets. Ron Washington's been with the Brave. So there's like that whole aspect. He's a bat to ball guy, but that's when he's swinging. That's swinging is way different than putting a bunt down. Yeah, it was an interesting situation. I didn't like the way he called him out. I didn't like the game situation aspect of of it either. I mean, yeah, Romero gets a lot of ground balls and Yomre has shown, you know, the ability, but he hits into double play. So like, I understand the thought process of it,

but I think there was a better option on the bench. And I also think maybe just let him hit at that point. Lefty, lefty, lefty suicide squeeze. The catcher can see it the whole time. Like, all sorts of things can happen. Yeah, I just don't. It's a little too far in the managing through the media for me. All right, next one is Steve Cohen. But first, I got to talk to you about Draft Kings because it's the bottom of the ninth. There's two outs. The bases are full. You're down three. The crowd's on their feet. The drama of baseball is real. And so is all the action at Draft King Sportsbook. From the first pitch to the final out, Draft Kings has you covered with the same game parlays, live betting, odds boosts, and so much more.

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Spets expire 168 hours after issuance. See dkng.com slash baseball for eligibility and deposit restrictions, terms, and responsible gaming resources. Steve Cohen responded to a tweet. Someone tweeted out like, blow up the team. And Cohen responded all in the future, not so much we can do until the deadline. Then he deleted that tweet. And then he said that he was surprised people.

inferred that as selling the selling pieces when someone said, blow it up and he said all in the future. He meant what he meant, Trev, was, quote, I believe in this team. I believe in the back of the baseball card.

Obviously. It's way too early to speculate on anything. It's May 16th. I expect to make the playoffs. I know the fan base is frustrated, but it's still early on. We're still capable of making the playoffs. I fully expect to make the playoffs.

The Mets can still make the playoffs. 40% of teams make the playoffs. The Mets are right outside of the wild card, like a game out. All of that's true. Yeah, all of that is true. But I think we are really going to find out what type of businessmen's Cohen is right now. Because while that's all true, if it stays true to the deadline, it is still a team built to sell. Right?

Yes. A lot of one-year deals there. I mean, you have so many guys. that you could go get for to help the future, whereas if you go, if you buy it the deadline and sell pieces that could hurt your future for rentals, it would have to be trades that make sense,

but like Severino can go get you something right now for the future. And then the other way I was thinking about this is, how many guys could they offer the qualifying offer to and they say no? Like Pete, you can offer the qualifying offer to. He would say no, that gets you draft picks if you don't resign them. Sevy,

offer the qualifying offer to him, I think he hasn't reached free agency yet, but he did sign that one year extension with the Yankees. I don't know if that matters. I don't think it matters because they didn't qualify off for him last year.

He wouldn't, so he would be eligible and I don't think would take it. I'm curious if he can't do it or not. I don't know. I don't know. But he wouldn't take it. So you could get draft picks there.

So there are some people that he might not trade because he knows we can offer the qualifying offering at value. But yeah, it's funny because he replied to a tweet saying, up and then was like, I didn't mean that. How could you infer that? Clearly blow it up doesn't mean blow it up, James. It means I believe in my team. He's an interesting owner to me, man,

because I know he wants to win. He has the resources to do it, but I also think, I forget the exact number, and I'm blanking on that. I think it's like $146 million in dead money that they're paying out this year, which is insane. And I think he's realizing, okay, there's a difference between, and this is, this is debatable. Like, a lot of people can, you can think, which, whatever way you want about this. I actually don't even know what side of the fence I'm on. I think there's a difference between sneaking into the playoffs with a roster that you aren't very proud of or you think can actually win the World Series and then going into it with a full confidence.

And there is a thin line there. But you're right. There's so many people. Harrison Bader, J.D. Martinez, Jose Cantana, like a lot of people that they can go out. And if there was supposed to be, you know, a transitional year, which is what Max Scher came out and said, then make it a transitional year and say, okay, like, we're going to go do this. We're going to try to get set back under one of the CBT levels and then we'll go do it again. It would shock me if they didn't sell some of these guys, especially hearing that

and then kind of, you know, looking at the roster, they'd have to go on some really, really great run here and really cement themselves in the place. playoff picture for them to go and not at least trade a couple of these guys. I agree. I just thought about the Rangers picking up Severino and going to the playoffs with another Yankees, you know, homegrown player like they did with Monty last year, and that made me sad a little bit. Sean Manaya had a really good start this week.

Kintana had a decent enough start for them. So the Mets did win that last game. And they were in it. Alonzo hit a home run. 10th on the year despite all the bad numbers. So I'm interested in what the Mets do because obviously there's the heartstrings. We're not that far away. But as a businessman, I think you don't get as successful as he has without sticking

through to your plans. And they clearly built this team to sell. Is it a situation? Is there any chance they could do both? Yeah. You can sell and add. So you bring in Christian Scott. He's a guy you can put in your rotation.

They believe in him. he's done well so far. I think two starts, two quality starts. Can you sell Severino? And say, hey, we got guys coming up that we think can replace that and we're going to get something for him. Like that, there is a thread there. I think you have to identify qualifying offer potential or not.

Or savvy like, okay, we can get a draft pick for him. Or is what you trade for going to beat the qualifying offer compensation? They'd have to go get guys that have an extra year like Fetty. And all or. I'm just trying to remove him so bad. or they would have to just find another team that's in the whatever, AL West, so they don't see them that often, like the Rangers, and do like hole for hole, you know, they would have matchup.

Yeah. That's what the Yankees did with Montgomery and Harrison Bader when they were both like going to the playoffs. And they were like, hey, this helps us, this helps you. It's one year rental for rental. They would have to find deals like that. And pay down the salaries. They get a better prospect.

They've invented that. Love it. Yeah. All right. What are we got on Padres fans acting like they're from the Bronx, booing the Padres for getting swept by the Rockies. A lot of the players had quotes on the booing. Zander Bogart said,

we all want to play well. We all want to contribute. Play better. You don't like the booze? Play better. That's all I can say. Michael King said, we're fully deserving of it if we're playing that poorly.

I continue to think we have some smart fans here, and they know what they're watching. They know when they're watching bad baseball, so we have to figure it out. Michael King is always a great quote. Mani Machado said, we played bad baseball. It's deserved. I feel like we're playing, I feel like we're playing good baseball. We just didn't play good baseball this series.

We've got to turn the page. Schilt said, listen, the sky is not falling in our clubhouse. I can tell you that. All I know is our clubhouse is in a good spot. The sky is not falling. Okay. That's a nursery rhyme. What's the guy that says the sky is falling?

A little chicken, isn't it? Chicken Little. Chicken Little. Well. So, I don't know. Padres fans booing, huh? It's kind of funny to me. I mean, when I think of people from San Diego, and I know quite a few people from San Diego, like they're stoked, their bras, like, they're like, you know, brewing necessarily isn't

there for them. But I think there's high expectations for this team. And especially coming up, they just won a bunch of series in a road, dude. They won, they beat Cincinnati. They beat Arizona. They beat the Cubs. And they beat the Dodgers. So I won four series in a row

against some pretty dang good baseball teams. But then the Rockies come into town and they get swept by a team that's on a heater, although not necessarily considered a great team in the game. We all know that. But I thought all those quotes were awesome.

I don't know if they got together and we're like, hey guys, let's handle this the right way. You want to hear my... Moose are fine. You want to hear my obnoxious response? Of course I do. The three guys quoted.

Played for Boston. Oh, no. Played for the Yankees. Played for the Orioles. If you want guys to give a quote about how to handle when your hometown booze you, just go find a guy that played in the ALE East. You can see that. I can see that.

I also think that's boo nation. I also think that that's like just a smart way to handle it. So yeah, like we love our fans. Fans know what Michael King said was awesome. And that I think that does come from. from New York because I feel like I've heard people from the Yankees say that before. Like they know we're playing bad baseball. The Yankees are taught to say, we got smart fans here.

And that's like that we hear that all the time. Yeah. Yeah. Like we got smart fans. Like we got smart fans. Like we have smart fans in the Bronx. They know that we're not, we should be playing better. So yeah.

But, uh, you know, don't ask a met. They'll boo you back. That's, that's, now you're getting somewhere that I don't know if we need to go there. That was, that's one of the funnier things. People forget. The Mets players. handed together and booed their own fan base back after winning a game. That's one of the funnier things that's happened in the last five years of baseball,

and people have forgot about it. A lot of the funny things that have happened have happened to the Mets. They looked up at the crowd and booed them. After winning. All right. Let's keep it moving. Wait, I want to say.

Shout out Rockies, yeah, because Shilt said this as much about the series. It's like, you know, we didn't really give them free. baseball. We didn't make errors. I think they only walked four people in the entire series.

So they played good, clean baseball. But the Rockies are just taking care of business right now. I think you got to applaud them. And winning seven games, seven games around, it's not an easy thing to do in the big leagues. No, and they are now eight and nine against the West,

almost 500 against the West. Unfortunately, against the East and the Central, they are one and 11. There's a guy on there that's like the new CJ Cron. I'm forgetting his name right now. I'm going to go look at it. On the Rockies? Yeah, it's like Bouchard or something like that.

Yeah, Sean Bichard. Every time I see this guy, he's just hitting a big old homer. I guess he's only got one on the year and I saw it. Who started for the Rockies? You got Gombor, Hudson, Calquantral. Pretty good starts there. And then Bouchard, that series, who's getting it done? That's really funny.

You know, it is. I saw the last series of last year as well against the Twins. He hit a couple homers in that series. I just, every time I see this guy at, the plate, he gets a homer. And clearly that's not the case because he only has one this year. Jordan Beck got it done. Oh, yeah, I like him.

He looks like a little Khalil Greenish to me out there, which if you know me, you know I love Cleo Greene. How about that? Jordan Beck now on this winning streak has been playing good ball. Overall number is not very good. Yeah, but in the winning streak, he's got good numbers. 304 batting average 783 OPS.

And if you go back even one more game before that, he's got an 852 OPS in his last eight games. Yep. Started the year. 33. Started his 519. Not great. So good for the rook.

Top 100 prospect. I like his play. I like his style of play. I do. Brenton Doyle, still not getting it done. Elehuris Montero? He had a homer in the series. El Louris.

Alaris, Montero. Crushed it. Good for the rocks. Oh, kind of just some odds and ends and extra nuggets. And I want to show you that Reds, Red Sox raisining. I gave B.B.D. the footage because it's, I mean, one of the, one of the plays is just really funny because the pitcher is in a revolving door of like decision making. Just gets put in the turnstile. But shout out to Ranger Suarez.

lowest ERA by a Philly's pitcher in his first nine starts of a season since 1912, since they've been tracking earned runs. I love Rangers Wars, very fun to watch. 137 is his ERA. And Javier Assad, I mentioned him with the Cubs. He's got 194 ERA, which is the lowest in baseball

since June 27th of the last year. This guy's a night. I love watching him pitch because I always try to put myself in the box against these guys. how I watch pitchers pitch. I'm like, okay, what would I think about this guy? And James, he throws three different types of fastballs that are all kind of around the same and they just move completely different. You have the sinker, the four steamer and the cutter. And they're all, you know, 87 to 91, 92. And they just, they just go different ways. It makes it so difficult.

That's exactly the opposite of Jack Leiter, where it's like, you can kind of see what's coming out of the hand. This is like decision making at the last second. Okay, so I have to watch him. This is who I like. I like watching those guys. Oh, you love. How for Boston is doing that right now. You know, Lance Lynn was the king. His game logs aren't as exciting anymore. Stroman kind of does that.

X in the corners. Strowman, Oh, Strom, I told you Strome was going to be good with the Yankees. Yeah, he pitches so weird, though.

He's very calm on the mound, which is great, but he, it's so odd. The catchers for Stroben set up, like, when you see Little League World Series catchers and they're like in the others

batters box. That's honestly what he has them do. It's bizarre. I love that. He reminds me, him and Sonny Gray are to me are like the same. Short.

Can I show you the, sequence here by do you have it bebes yes let me know if this is so they're in extra innings in game two it's like a combined and there's a runner on third here and they run the contact play and the red sox just get them out that's the go-ahead run in extras which this is baseball these days i disagree with it but that is how it works randy gets the second and this next play the Red Sox Throw it away So now

Rosarania scores to take the lead On like That's kind of a bad play by the race And then a bad play by the Red Sox Now the next inning Wait pause it'd be And go back to start this This is so funny Treb

If you haven't seen this So it's first and third But there's one out So the pitcher Do I turn to and end the game Or do I? No, yet never Don't

No there's nobody there Let me uh Let me listen to the announcer. They're really funny. Colossius is good. If it's hit to him hard, he's going to turn two. Oh my God. This didn't have a plan.

You got to get that runner. Who fuck the double play? That's the game. That's insane right there. Yeah, I mean, this is all things you got to think of before in a situation. And you look back at your infielder and say, who do I got? Then you realize, oh, no, they're playing infield in. So if I get a ball back, we're probably not going to be able to turn two.

So now you just look the runner back at third. You get one out. out and you move on. I did skip one topic, but it's quick anyway. Yeah, so funny. That's tough. That's, that's, that's, that's tough for the race to watch. The other thing I, I just really like is the Orioles, uh, not getting swept streak. I think it's more impressive in the regular season. People always point that in the regular season. I think it's more impressive than it gets credit for. I want to know what is their longest losing streak since this has happened. It can be four. It can't, it can be five actually.

If they win game one of a four game set, then lose three, then lose the first two of a three game set, and then win it. But I don't know if that's it, but Adley comes up. Look at this drunk guy hitting a homer here. Oh my God. Stumbling. That's awesome, man. Especially because it's him that hits the walkoff to continue the streak.

And it's like, that's. He homered in game one as well. If you could go, if you could go right now, James. And you know, you've starting to watch baseball. and you're into it, but you need a team. I think Baltimore is probably a team to, like, be a fan of. Yeah, and credit to their fans because they haven't gotten pissy yet. Usually when a team gets good quickly and they get a bunch of new fans,

which I am so in favor of, like, hop on the bandwagon. Baseball's awesome. Support your local team. But usually that fan base, especially directed towards us and everyone else, gets really pissy. And Oregon's fans haven't. Like, I haven't felt like, especially as a Yankees fan, I haven't felt like.

Life is good, man. But that's the thing. You got a new owner. But when the Padres fans got good, do you remember that? They were mean. And now I think they got humbled a little and they're bullying their own fans. I do recall Padres specifically, like it was a thing on Twitter that they were mean even before they're good. Okay.

When they got good that year like 20, 2020, it was like, oh my God, you guys are the meanest people on this whole website. And then you got some other. Jays. It happened to. Jays. If you're an Orioles fan Relish these times You have a beautiful ballpark

That everybody freaking loves You have a brand new owner That's out there doing And saying all the right things You got a young core of players That are insane You're winning 100 games a fucking year And you got a plethora of prospects

That you could go out and trade And get your Bigley team even better Times are good Times are really really good Some other notes Vladdy did a cartwheel. That was interesting. Elie de la Cruz stole his 30th bag. He kind of just like glitches from second to third, first to second. It's faster than the human eye.

I wish I would have bet that. Austin Barnes behind the plate that he has like he can't throw anybody out. Plus Tyler Glassnow doesn't really care. Like that was the easiest over whatever stolen bases in the ever. Yeah. Anything else we missed. Skeens is going to make a second start against the Cubs again. That's free for everyone that wants to watch that. That's free on MLB.com. Jared Jones is amazing. I don't know.

Let us know what else you wanted us to discuss. And if you enjoyed this format. Yes. And we'll be back. Well, I don't know if I'll be back, but the show will be back Monday. Jimmy's Three Things on Tuesday. It's also on a new podcast feed.

You've got to go find it. If you've been looking for that because you normally listen to audio, it's just on its own thing. Yeah, you got to go find its own thing. All right. Thanks, guys. Appreciate you.

Go baseball. Boom, ba, boom. L-L-L-R-Ris, L-A-O-W is the middle, like, pronunciation letters. I think you're saying it, right? Jake sucks. Jakes-Sucks. Wow. Wow.

That's a weird collection of letters to see next to each other. In a pronunciation guide where it's supposed to be very phonetic. It's supposed to be like, oh, I know how I would say that. Yeah. Did you see those new Pop-Tart-looking City Connect for the Dodgers? What's up with that? No. They look like Pop-Tarts.

I don't know if they're real or not, but I think they are.