Talkin' Baseball (MLB Podcast) - The New York Teams WIN in the NLCS & ALCS | 908

Episode Date: October 15, 2024

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Hello and welcome to talking baseball. Let me tell you about the greatest city in the world. New York, Mets win, Yankees win, Dodgers and Guard Dogs. Let's talk ball. Pantio. Bientos. Smooth. Hit one that bounced?

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Say you saw Stan hit a nuke. My doppelganger, Brett Honeywell, in person. Download the Seeky Gap, Johnboy playoffs, 10, 10% off your next order. whether you've used a code with them or not. So what are you doing? Trevor Plouffe. How you doing? Tough day for everything west of New York City.

We're still the fifth largest gross domestic producer. I don't know what the GDP stands for. But if you took us away, you're still the fifth largest in the world. You're talking about California right now? Yeah, California. It's Cantillo. and if your attitude also matches your looks,

are you a doppelganger, or are you just Brett Honeywell's twin? Am I Brett Honeywell Jr? That's your dad? That's a little... You might be older than him. That's like a simulation moment. I definitely am. I'm older than Salvador Perez.

Mind-blowing. No, you're not. Yes, I am, Treff. Oh, my gosh. You act so much younger than him. He's playing Little League with kids. I could do that. Trev, big, dude,

like the championship series are actually here. Like, I know we know and we did the previews and all that, but it's like, wait, we're seeing the final four teams. Like two of these teams are going to be playing in the World Series. And obviously, a big, for length of series or for hope of series, a massive win for the Mets today and the Yankees hold serve. But what do you need before we dive? in. I am probably, if you're, if you're listening to this show, you're going to hear me talk about

some pitching choices today from both losing teams. And I bet if you're a fan of those losing teams, you're like, yeah, talk about that. Trev's running a little hot. This might be from, from what was discussed pre-episode, it might be a hot take-up. And that's not normally where we live, but it's that time of year. I tried telling people Mark Vientos was a dog. You did. You Did. Wharf, people. Listen on that. He has a knack for the big moment.

Oh, gross. Let's get into it. Let's do your Mets and Dodgers Game 2. Dodgers with a 1-0 series lead in a scoreless inning streak. It just seems like the Dodgers have a knack

for this sort of thing with Landon being the bulk man with Crooked Neck Brazier, opening it up, would try to take down. Big Sean, boy, how big is your Mania as the Mets? Try to steal one in L.A. That's a good scoreless streak for me to pull on. Lindoror triumphs a Homer.

It's one-nothing Mets in the second. You need to call Tyrone. RBI double, bases loaded for out of the park mark, and so he did. Oh my God. Vientos, Grand Slam. It's six nothing Mets. It stay that way.

Into the fifth, there's a snake in my boot. In the dugout rally snake. And that funky Muncie goes with a solo job of his own. One. Bottom six. Tommy's boy as Edmund hits a spade. Six, two Dodgers. Bases loaded for Kike.

Roll the two ball. Huge by Maeton to get out of it. Kike's up again in the eighth, but the trumpets, here we go. Diaz. gets him insurance run in the ninth. They'll head back to Queens with a 7-3 win as they tie the series one game to one. Where do I start? Do I hate on the Mets?

Do I hate on the Dodgers? I'm not really sure. People tell me I hate both these teams, Jay. Right. And I really don't. Yeah. You should have seen me dapping up all the Mets when I was in San Diego. I don't know, people.

Trev. Interesting game. This was an interesting game to me, big time. Hey, I... Number one. I know we kind of joke about it. I think you have the easiest place to start ever on this game. Okay.

Francisco Indore, good baseball player, eight pitch at bat, gets a cutter, great at bat, ends the score of the same streak, yay! Right? 33 innings! Yeah! That goes away. So, I think that kind of looks. leads into my point.

Okay. About, and I'm going to go with Dodgers first. Here, Dodgers fans, I'm going to hate on the Dodgers for a little bit, I guess. Or I'm just talking about the baseball game. I think that's more of what I'm doing. In those 33 innings, didn't see a lot of these dudes that pitched today. That's kind of my main point. This was a bullpen game for the Dodgers.

The reason they went with the bullpen game is because there's an off-aid. You're about to play nice swing by Lindor. You're about to play three days in a row. So it's not good to have a bullpen day when you've got to go three days in a row. This was the time to do it. It just looked a lot different than their last bullpen game. Right. That they went and beat the podgers with in an elimination game.

You know, like this wasn't the same guys coming out. We talked about the Dodgers and having this bullpen, and they went 33 score the settings, and they got high leverage arms. We didn't see any of them today. And that was kind of crazy to me. You know, Brazier gives up the home. Homer to Lindor. He gets Alonzo to ground into a double play. Okay, one nothing, no big deal. And then Landon Nat comes in and he just, it just wasn't sharp. Everything out of his hand was either right

down the middle hanger or a ball. And that's really not where you want to be. So I mean, I don't know where you go. I think that's my main point is I wasn't sure about Roberts and who we decided to pitch today. Shout out Brent Honeywell, your twin, your dad, I'm not really sure. He did his job. I just think there were some questionable spots here where we could have used our good bullpen, and we didn't. Let's give the Mets some credit, capitalizing on that. Top of the second. Marte, first, first pitch base hit. Winker works to count to three and two. He gets to walk. You're in

business. I thought it was interesting they didn't Bunt Iglesias in this situation. Look, we just scored our first run of the series. Let's try to push another one across. He doesn't. He flies out to second base. And then Tyrone Taylor gets, this is what I was talking about, two strike, just a hanger over the plate. then you get Alvarez to fly out so that's another run

you get Alvarez to fly out to the shortstop obviously you're going to walk Lindor in this situation 100 times out of 100 Mark Vientos May I interject for a second Go for it I don't do you think that

Lindor 100 times out of 100 changes now that Mark did this No Okay No Okay interesting No no I think, look, dude, I respect Vientos more than most of you out there.

I really do. I mean, that's just a hitable pitch. And Mark Vientos put a great swing, and you have to tip your cap. It's a big situation. The guy's a young player. But he's a stone cold killer. But Francisco Lendora's MVP level. You just open base, you walk him every single, every single,

breaking time. Again, not really sure why Landon Nack was in right there. I understand, hey, that's kind of like typical. Say you have an opener and then here's your bolt guy,

but the Dodgers didn't approach the San Diego game like that. Was it because Lindor hit the homer in the first and they were down 1-0? Did it change everything there? I'm not really sure. Again, credit where credit is due. Six-nothing after the second.

Now I can understand, for the most part, why you're going to your, you know, your B bullpen. But at that point, I just, I didn't really understand it, Jake. Yeah, and I guess I wanted to hear everything you had to say about this, because you genuinely, before we went live, you were like, I don't, what are the Dodgers doing? And I, I guess I haven't fully dove in. And I guess there is a wrinkle with Brent Honeywell having the outing he had that it's like, okay, if the Dodgers knew you could bank on Honeywell for three. But I guess the question is, you know, land and acting, it looks sharp.

And you're in the heart of that Mets lineup that, okay, I understand that you might have to save the bullpen for potentially a seven-game series. You also might not have if you win this game, which the Dodgers had a lot of chances that if this game wasn't 6-0-6-2, those chances would have felt a lot more significant. Let me read you who pitched against the Padres. It went Brazier, it went Banda, because he's a lefty. He came in there.

And then it was Kopeck, Vesia, Phillips, Hudson, Trinnan. And then after they were already up eight to nothing, Landon Nat comes in. You're throwing your guys out there for that bullpen game. I guess because it's an elimination game, it's, and this is game two of a seven, but dude, I mean, all these games are kind of like really important, dude. And you have the off day tomorrow. I didn't, I didn't get it.

And again, I guess it's hindsight. But I think you got some dragons out there and you kept them in the dragon pit. You weren't Calisi riding them around, spitting fire. Yes. You know I had to put something like that. Yeah. I guess, okay, because this is the part

that I kind of hadn't processed yet, because we see Honeywell, we see Enriquez in this game, NAC, we didn't see my guy, Ben Casparius. But all of those guys are in that kind of, hey, kid, we might need 60 out of you today. It's the postseason and it is what it is, that landed Nack in that same boat. If he comes in and he doesn't look sharp,

this is a seven-game set that I think it's a great point by you. why didn't it, I don't know, why didn't Daniel Hudson come into face Mark Vientos? And then, if he's already out, maybe you pitch him a next inning. So let's say Daniel Hudson gives you a 1.1 cleanish. Okay, Land and Nack didn't have it. And maybe there's a little too much hindsight. He didn't look. Right.

Like, I very much respect your opinion on it more than mine. That, if you're the Dodgers and you're willing to go down with that, like wouldn't you, be willing to throw Daniel Hudson for one inning or whatever it would be, even if it was 0.1 outs, if you're really worried about exposing your good bullpen in the series, that, hey, if NAC doesn't look sharp,

well, then what's the different if Casparius, Henriquez, or Honeywell doesn't look sharp? Like, that's kind of the same thing, but you've extended this game a little bit. That, yeah, I guess in hindsight, I was kind of sitting there today like, yeah, I get it.

Like, you know, Dodgers very much value, you know, Trinan, Kopeck, Phillips, Hudson, even Banda, who does pitch in this game. But, yeah, you also, you're giving the Mets a ton of life. Like, if this goes back to Queens and it's 2-0 Dodgers and let's say they blew whatever this lead was or could have been, which they almost did anyways, you know, I think I'm sitting in front of the mic like,

Oh, boy, the Mets have to find it quick because otherwise it could be over quick, where now it's, you know, I don't want to get too far ahead. But with it being one-one and the magic the Mets have had and Manaya looks good again, like the Mets recipe is still recipeing. Like it hasn't changed that, I don't know. I guess we'll find out later in this series that, especially with the three straight games coming up, if Dave Roberts saving that bullpen or, you know,

we know a lot of the front offices are involved in these plans at this point that, hey, maybe that's going to pay off. And we're going to be talking about the Dodgers fresh arms, but maybe we aren't. They didn't off day tomorrow. I know. And they could have approached it. All I'm saying is they could have approached us being completely different.

You could win or lose game three by 10 and not have to use the bullpen again. That's what you did in the first game. You won nine nothing. So, yeah, I guess. you've persuaded me a little more than I thought that yeah, this is a playoff game. You had other long options. And I don't know, like knack.

I don't think you need that. I think that's my point is you didn't need to go long options here. You could have did exactly what you did against the Padres and thrown guys for an inning apiece. Like you got enough to cover that. You really do. Maybe, you know, you ride someone, for a couple of innings if they look good and get out of an inning quickly. But I felt

like they didn't approach this game with a sense of urgency, which is interesting to me. The Mets did approach it with a sense of urgency. And obviously that helps you have Manaya on the mound. He did look really good. You know, through five, he looked great. That sixth inning got a little shaky there, two walks to Mukhi and Teo. And then he gets the double play ball. Iglesias boots. It's off the mound. Kind of a weird thing. I thought it looked really bright out there. It's the day. Nice.

There's the sun. I don't know if you know that. It's a star, actually. Burning Bright. It's like a fireball, which is... Think about that for a little bit. He boots it. So then they're in business, the Dodgers.

Base is loaded, nobody out. Mayton comes in. Will Smith, I think he swung really early on. Flies out to second base. And then you get Edmund, with the knock under Pete's glove. Yeah. Which Pete doesn't look like he moves to his right very well.

I've been a big fan of Pete's defense around the base. There's been a couple balls. There's a Shohei one, that one. Not moving great to that side. So here we go. After the Muncie Homer, it ends up being 6-3. And then Kike's got a chance, man. He's got a chance.

And it looked like he was going to get it. Vientos bibles it. It was about to be an inning from hell for the Mets. and instead turns the double play out of the inning six three and here it is really nice turn by oh god really nice turn by glazi takes the hit there man alonzo with a really good stretch like i think sometimes we don't appreciate the value of what a good first baseman does because you you know if you see another first baseman they get pulled off the bag on that throw you say well throw wasn't online. Pete. I've been saying to people around the base. He's been great. He's got he's like the

number one scoops guy, Pete Alonzo. Wow, I hadn't seen the bubble from that angle. Holy smokes. It was very, very close. He almost just signed his first base paperwork for next year if he if he doesn't get that one. I don't mind his defense at third base. I feel like I've seen it makes it's all there. Like it's all there. It just needs a little more. Okay, so 6-3, right? It's kind of a game. My height. Stanick does a great job.

He comes in in the bottom of the seventh. Kay's Mookie on three pitches, gets Taylor to go 5-3 right there. And this is where I'm pretty interested because the Dodgers bring in Gardo-enrique. He's a young kid for them. He's only pitched three in a third innings, okay? He pitches the top of the 8th. He does a really good job. Gives up one walk, but gets Taylor, Lindor, and Vientos, right?

Still 6-3. Dodgers kind of have a shot there in the 8th. By the way, to your point, Acuna comes in. Iglesias goes the third. Vientos gone. Acuna goes to second base. top nine again this is a questionable decision

by Dave Roberts here it's 6.3 you have the top of your lineup is going to hit in the bottom of the ninth you have Vande Pahe's number nine hitter

then you have Shohei Muki Freddie Teosker all like they have a chance there in the bottom of the ninth instead you leave Engardo in

instead of bringing in one of your dragons. Oh, okay. Okay. Okay. Kay's Nemo walks Pete, allows Pete to steal. That's where I thought you were going, dude. I was furious. Like, I think, I think that's some dumb analytic bullshit that we are just missing as a baseball society right now.

How can you possibly give up a free base? I don't care who's on first base. You cannot allow that. To go from three to four, that's insane. That's my point here is he's still in. He's 22, 3 and 1 third innings pitched in the regular season. This is a big crucial time. Not knocking on this dude, but you have guys that should have been in there instead of him in this situation.

Pete Steele's second base, starting Marte drives him in. I wrote on my notes, dagger. Four runs now. Okay, what happens in the ninth, Jake? Andy Pottis gets on. Shohey gets on, all the sudden, Mookie's in there against Edwin Diaz, and it would have been the tying run.

Now in Edwin's mind, one bad pitch ties the game. Instead, you have a four-run lead. He doesn't give a shit. Like, he can still pitch how he wants to pitch because a home run doesn't even mean anything. So then he ends up striking, Mookie out, Freddie out,

Teosker out in a row. And I think, look, did it have an impact on the game? I think so. You could say, well, he just mowed the next three guys down. But the thought of one bad pitch as a tie game didn't have to enter his mind because Dave Robbers didn't put in one of their guys in the top of the ninth. So I was, my whole point, I think the whole gist of this is, hey, tip your cap to the Mets for coming out

and doing the thing. Tip your cap to the indoor for setting the tone, Vientos for putting their team up huge early with a great swing saying, I felt this. respected. Okay. But the Dodgers pitching decisions to me were very strange. Yeah, I, um, that's stolen base in the ninth. Like, that's, that's a level of unacceptable, like, that just can't happen. I get that we're playing postseason baseball and we're seeing some of, some of the dogs busting out new tricks. We saw Big Giancarlo Stanton a snag a bag because it was the last thing anyone was thinking about, but that's, that doesn't excuse anything. It, it means you should be thinking about it just a little bit.

That's crazy and I wonder if that just ties into kind of the whole sense of urgency that you're talking about because yeah, I mean, in a way the Mets and Edwin Diaz are born for each other. Like Mets fans just expect him to come in and basically let the first two guys on.

But then he finds his way out for the most part. And yeah. Pete's stolen base totals, Jake. Sure. 2019 is rookie. 161 games, one. 2020, 57 games, one, three, five, four, three.

Like, we know he's not a burner, but he's not even one of those guys. Right. That just steals bags like Paul Goldschmidt. Like, we used to see some of those poolhole seasons and we'd be like, wait, big Albert snagging 15. Exactly, exactly. Yeah, that's... Yeah.

Okay. You know, I just think all these things matter, man. I know it's a seven game set. you know, one game isn't as much as it is in a five game or a three game. I understand that. But I just felt like the decisions today, there wasn't a ton of urgency. Hey, man. And maybe the answer could just be you're right.

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Trev, the upcoming three at City, game three and three games. It's Walker Bueller. Let's be honest. We gave him credit for his grit and determination, but he gave up a six spot.

Last time we saw him, Yoshinobu Yamamoto, who had an amazing outing, he's built up to 50-60 pitches, basically rehabbing through the playoffs. And hey, we saw our guy Jack that he would be the anchor in game five there. But maybe that's why we don't have the keys to a franchise yet, and maybe we'll be snapping for Dave Roberts in a couple days because they are going to need their bullpen, man.

And if Walker Bueller kind of looks like the Walker Bueller we've seen, recently, they're going to have to manage that game very aggressively. And they're going to, the Yamamoto game, like, his best case scenario, we just saw his last time out. So maybe he deserves more credit. But, God, they are, they're going to lean on this bullpen big time. I know what you're saying, but I just, the reason I disagree with it is, like, you, you, you could have went after today. You have.

Right. an off day. So I just don't I don't get it. These guys are going to have to pitch. I mean, every single team that we see that goes on a run over the last you know, I don't know, how long have we been doing this? Four or five years

now? Like, their bullpen comes in all the time during the post season. You pair it down to three or four guys that you just rely on. So who cares if you expose them for a game? Like, these are your dogs. Dude,

guess what? Pitchers are going to win more often than not. And I get it. Like every time I hit or see someone, it's more information and all that. But I just, I don't agree with that. I get it. You knew you were going to need your bullpen today. Right. You don't know if you're going to need them with Bueller, Yomoto. And Jack, those are traditional starters that are built up to go. Let's just give them five endings, you know, or four, whatever it is. This was a bullpen game. And you just, I don't know. I want to stop talking about it because I feel like I've talked enough about it. Yeah, no, it is.

I think it's very fair to say, why not go to Hudson or even Phillips for the heart of that Mets lineup with, you know, the game in the balance. I didn't even think about just for the Viantos at that. To be honest, you. I was thinking, why is NAC in there to start that inning? But you're totally right. Like, you get some trouble on. Somebody should be up. you intentionally walk Linderor

and then bringing a dog. Like put the fire out. Yeah. Yeah, because you still, like I said, Honeywell and Rakez. We saw Carlos Mendoza do it in game one. Right. When he tried to keep,

he's like, hey, I tried to give my offense a chance, is what he said. He brought Reed Garrett in there in the second inning. Yeah. Yes. I'm trying to give my offense a chance.

I like that more than what happened today with the Dodgers. Yeah, I do. I think. as more analytics and thoughts get into baseball, which again, if you're, you know, you know, construction worker Jake here, not just yelling at analytics,

but I think we're still seeing teams try to outsmart anything. And like I think, I think teams are scared of the seven game series. I think teams are scared of exposing their bullpen over the seven games that I think teams are thinking of different ways to navigate it. And I think there's different ways to, do it. I think we've seen guys throw different pitch mixes to try to get them off their scent for a long series. I think we see, I think we saw a case here of like, nope, we're down. We can't risk it

today, which it's a seven game set. Do you remember when Madison Bumgarner just through every ending of the world series? Yeah. Kind of. Those were weird years for me. That was where, it was 2014. Yeah. I had a great season that year. As high as a guy. I actually wasn't a weed guy then. It sets up for a fun game three. Walker Bueller versus Louis Severino.

Both have had playoff highs and lows. That is lining up to be a fun one at City. I feel like half our office is going. It's an exciting game for Mets fans. And like I said, I just think that that feeling of going into the 2-0 game at home, I felt it. Astros, Yankees, 2022. Slightly different circumstances. Yankees team was like giving out on them and it was the Astros.

That there was like, there was hope. It was like, hey, you know, let's push a couple across and get the porch and then we'll get loud. They stomped on our throats and it was just a sad time that the Mets. They could have been set up for that. Now they're not. They are set up well. three at City they stole

home field advantage yeah great again I want to make sure Mets fans understand I'm giving your team a bunch of credit responding the way that you did

after getting the brakes beat off you in game one you came back with a cool level head in a big situation where Mark Vientos could have said I'm going to drive all four of these runs in although he'd end up doing that he talked

after the game. He said, I was just trying to have a bat, trying to get one in, which is the exact mentality you need to have hats off to the Mets. Hey, I, I, yes, all the Dodgers stuff where we've mentioned, that's none of the Mets business, go out and do your thing. And do the Dodgers fans, the glass half full is like, you guys were still there. Kiki had a couple big at bats that could have changed the tone, that final inning. And again, it all could have felt a little differently that, uh, I, I think I slightly disagree, Trev. Throwing up the fours to Lindor.

Viantos has shown me enough, man. Like, I, you know, not a big difference than a three-run homer and a four-run homer. Like, what? It's analytics. I don't know, dude. I understand why they did it today. Vento's, he's showing.

Dude, you have an open base. You set up a force anywhere. You have a right-on, right matchup. no, there is no circumstance where I don't walk the door there. Not one. I'm interested to see as the series goes, because you do that again. You load the bases or put first and second on and Viantos clips you again? That's a fool me once.

Shame on me. Shame on you. Anything else about this before we kick over to the American League? I don't think so. I really did write dagger on there if you can see that down there somewhere. Right there, top nine dagger. Nice. I like your notes, man.

We might have to upload those to our substack if you feel comfortable about it, trying to give the people. It's our website, Trev. Welcome to 2018. A website's called a substack. Oh, boy. Not a website? Let's do some... I'm being serious.

I know. I know. Let's do let's do some American League baseball because Chris Rose's guards and BBD's Yanks teed it up in the boogie down tonight, Trev. The Cleveland Guard Dogs rolled into town looking to mix up a little cob salad on the mound

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I love islands. You know, there's a lot of sports and activities. Okay. I think there's a lot of beautiful people. There's a lot of beautiful animals. Scancely clad. Sure. Why even be clad?

You know what I'm saying? Okay, I'll get it started on the game. It starts with maybe new segment for us in the playoffs. It starts with Carlos Rodon, man. Yes, it does. Carlos Rodon, his first playoff game was a little bit of a dud. He came out hot to trot literally, and it was unsustainable. It looked like he learned his lesson.

He kept himself composed. And this is the guy that when we did, White Sox, Giants, Carlos Rodon, and it was like, wait, how many strikeouts did he have? What's his ERA? It's the guy we saw it tonight, man. And it was kind of old school starting pitcher like, hey, you got two strikes on you? Guess what's coming? You're going to get a slider in the dirt, and I don't know if you're going to lay off of it.

And they really didn't tonight. He was dominant. Yeah, I mean, look, the bottom line is Carlos Rodon went out there and got me all aged up. Oh. 9Ks, no walks. That's what gets me, man. I really think that was kind of the difference in the game. If we're really being honest about it, I mean,

free passes, free 90 feet, that changes, especially if you're the guardians and you understand we're not going to keep up with this offense. Like, we're not. Like, that's the bottom line. We have to limit free passes. We have to limit the extra 90 feet. and we got to like play our brand of baseball

they didn't do that tonight Jake 9Ks total for the guardians they walk seven people dude yeah we're talking about five wild pitches which we can kind of get into that later if you want

but yes Carlos Rodon was you know masterful I think he did control the emotions better and I think yeah you do learn from that his first playoff start this year and you know it was him and it was, you know, Juan Soto setting the tone.

I think his first two of bats, both 110 miles and hour off the bat, one single, one homer, like, this was, like, I don't, like, they didn't pitch that bad besides the free passes. I think they, like, I don't know, right? Like, it's about as good as you could have hoped for.

What do the Yankees go with runners in the squad, or seven? If you didn't issue those free passes and wild pitches and all that, Like it's a different ballgame, but you did. And you can't do that if you're the guardians against this team. Yeah, there's a little bit of chicken in the egg there. First, Juan Soto, nine for 13 now career against Alex Cobb.

Yeah, two dot in it, I believe. Yeah, I think he's seeing it. And yes, the walks are a little bit, I mean, dude, I can't even say like, hey, great Yankees at bats. Like they were non-competitive walks that, you know, the other side of that would be like, hey, you know, if they were competitive, maybe the Yankees throw a double down the line and that changes things.

But yeah, it's been, there's kind of a weird feeling that like, this Yankees game in a way has been every Yankees game of the postseason, really, except the Rodon loss. Like, they got incredible pitching. Luke Weaver, welcome to the national stage. Clay Holmes continues to, you know, I don't know, He's not a big keeper seat guys, I don't think. But holy smokes, what he's doing this postseason is impressive,

that it's really good pitching. And then I guess you could say patience by the Yanks. And dude, I'm obviously excited. The team I like, the Yankees just won the first game of the ALCS. The guys that homered are Giancarlo Stanton, who I think is going to be a Hall of Famer, he's got $300 million and probably a pretty fun base. The other...

I feel like I kind of like been to his basement, but... Yeah. Yeah. Nice workouts. It's probably like a workout and party setup. I have it. He's a sports guy. You got the nice TV.

You got a fucking couch. The other guy that homered... Juan Soto. Ricky in Alaska in the corner. Okay. Okay. That's a technical foul. Like, not creepy.

Not creepy. No, he's there, though. I could still get a couple outs this postseason Dodgers Does Juan Soto do that on every homer? That's a good question I think so I think that's kind of his bullpen thing That was a big one I like that

Whatever Do what you got to do If you're 9 for 13 against someone Do what you got You do cartwheels if you want That was an unintentional thang out of me That's gonna have me asking questions The next 48 hours

Juan Soto's about to have 600 Mill coming his way that like, dude, Aaron Judge hasn't really fully joined this postseason yet. Fully joined the post season. He hasn't joined it whatsoever. I mean, great, you know, sack fly tonight, but

I guess that's kind of like scary. I think it's scary for teams. I still have it in a good bucket because the Yankees are winning games. They've won four out of their five playoff games and Aaron, winning solves everything, dude. Aaron, Aaron, Aaron Judge hasn't clicked yet.

I can put that in a really good bucket for now. Chisholm and Austin Wells have been lost at the plate. And Anthony Rizzo joins the party this series. He had been out with broken fingers in his hands. We didn't know what version of Rizzo we were going to get. And here's what I'll tell you. He gets a hit in his first at bat. That's a tone setter a little bit.

Like, okay, that's Anthony Rizzo. He's going to have a statue in Chicago one day. Like, dude, the other thing, and I, maybe, you know, I'm a silly guy. My name's Jake, one letter away from being joke. Go watch the Anthony Rizzo, Joey Cantillo at bat. It's a form of baseball comedy. The young lefty comes out of the pen in the biggest game of his life.

Anthony Rizzo just stands on the plate. He dares him to throw a strike. Hey, dude, you throw a strike. A, if you miss inside, I will wear it, and that'll be a run. and if you don't throw a strike, we'll just get a run. He ends up spiking it. Bow Nailer was having a rough time. It was a little bit of bully ball from the old vet.

Yeah, the box score ends up looking like not super pretty for the Yankees. And that's been a little bit the story of their postseason, except the pitching. The pitching has been magnifique French. It has been. You're right about Clay Holmes. You just come in and done his job every single time. he's been called upon in different roles, different innings.

And I think it is, it is receipt time for him. Very, very happy because, you know, I, you can tell that he's a good teammate, by the way, guys had his back throughout the year when he was struggling as a closer and people were calling for his head and people were in the media saying, that's our guy, that's our guy. You don't do that for everyone. That's not a thing you do for everyone.

That's the thing you do for a good team and a guy that's working hard. That's the bottom line. happy he's having his success Tim Hill I think ends up given the first earned run up by the bullpen he's always an interesting watch for me for sure sure

can't tell if he's handsome or not can't balls in play we've done this before he's like trashy bar smoke show and then Luke Weaver bro what the freak out of some big jams

I mean with all that said Cleveland still gets Jose Ramirez up there as the tying run dude and Luke Weaver just kind of toys with them a little bit and he looked nasty

Will Brendan comes up I think it was a three pitch strikeout fastball two changeups bat at bat you got to get one in right there and they don't that was it's been impressive man it really has I could even go into this

and say Stephen vote like kind of what is you doing baby like why is Cantillo coming in right there. It's 1-0. Like, you got a bullpen, Pop. This is another team that's hunting for inning. So, like, you know, we don't have to... Put the fire out early.

Give your offense a chance. That's the way I'd manage, man. Like, you can't just say, well, we got to save him. Save them for a whim. Bro, this is the freaking ALCS. Right. What are we saving these guys for? I just think he... We've seen it

too many times in the past. I mean, I always go back to when Andrew Miller became that guy for Terry Francona. That was like the first time we really saw, I think, and correct me if I'm wrong, baseball historians. Yes. Or please don't, gosh. That was like the first time we saw a guy willing to pitch anytime. Right.

And be like, you know, the guy that puts the fire out. I need a guy like that. I would manage like that, especially when we're talking to ALCS. Like, bring a guy in, put the fire out. I don't think Joey's your guy. I don't. It's not a great situation for him to be in. Now he's got a little bit more innings than Enriquez in the Dodgers,

but it's only 33 on the year. So I just, I think you had other options, put the fire out, and then try to get lengthen to clean inning. I don't think that was the right time. Yeah, and Trev, it's where I think it came off to, Rhear, analytic, e before, but like, Joey Cantillo is 24 and doesn't have a lot of bullpen experience. Like, he has been mostly a starting pitcher that bringing him into the middle of an inning,

like, A, that should be part of the conversation. And they use, what's his name, Sobrowski in this game, and he looked pretty decent except for the ball that Stanton obliterated. but the point being, if you're willing to use a guy like that, why wouldn't you use him to get out of a situation? And when you're hunting the innings for a cantillo, or Pedro Avila actually came in and was really good for them in this outing, like extend your chance.

Like I get the juggle of using those high-end bullpen guys. And, you know, the exposing stuff, like, there's other ways to navigate that? Like, I don't know if Cade Smith faces hitters one through four in one game, and then Cade Smith faces batters five through nine one game. Like, you didn't overexpose them there. Again, the Yankees, the Guardians are another team hunting innings. The two New York teams kind of aren't.

Like, they both have four or if not five starting pitchers on their teams right now. that they don't have to worry about those decisions where maybe it's kind of what we saw in the Dodgers game and the Guardians game that they were definitely, they were absolutely more concerned about using their leverage bullpen pieces. I don't know, man.

It's just for me, two managers who, you keep saying hunting innings, I don't know, man. Right. These are the innings. They're the innings. I don't know what we're saving our guys for. I mean, this is what, this is it. There's four teams left, guys.

It's kind of like now or never. Yeah. And Carlos Stanton, man, again, I know I live, we live in the Yankees weeds that we've seen all of it, but this is a guy that's been talked about as a salary dump for years. And he put together a nice season this year, and he is doing again in the postseason as he's done in previous post seasons. And that's, to be obnoxious, that's what used to matter in this big city.

And the fact he's doing it again is insane. He just missed two other balls that they were centimeters away from being a two-run homer game. And Treb, I'll be honest with you. You talk about the bullpen's getting shorter and stuff like that. The Yankees back into their bullpen right now, and we've seen it in the past couple years. Like you need a couple guys to click.

they've got a couple guys clicking. We've got people talking about Luke Weaver's the best reliever in baseball right now. Dan Pleseck, ad. Clay Holmes. Yeah, he said that tonight. Clay Holmes is, you know, he is on a playoff consecutive inning scoreless streak

that's setting a record in Yankees history. Canley is good. We haven't seen him in a couple days. Dude, even guys like Jake Cousins was electric for them and they haven't really rolled him out. Ian Hamilton has had moments of high-end relief and they haven't had to push that button that the Yankees are sitting very pretty, man.

Homefield advantage. Aaron Judge hasn't clicked yet, which, hey, if they lose next game and Judgey puts up an 0 for 4, that's not in the positive bucket anymore. That goes back in the negative. I'm not going to say what I said before the show. I'm not.

His at-bats looked better tonight. He lined out to write Sack Fly 3-0, which is a little weird, but whatever. Swing pops, a win. That he battled back in. He got, I know, well, actually, you're the guy that does want to hear this. He got screwed his first at bat, one-one pitch. Saw that.

Just, it changes the whole bat. 2-1 to 1-2. Like, that's, in a year or two, Judge E throws this up, and the call gets reversed, which I'm excited for. And I guess, you know, where I'll kind of land this for me is, Yankee fans are feeling fantastic. They played really well against Yale Central this year. They have good history against this Guardians team.

Garrett Cole takes the bump tomorrow. Rodon was previously one of their biggest questions, and it feels like that's been answered in a big way, that Yankee fans are feeling pretty good. And on the Cleveland side, I guess, hey, it's a big start for Tanner Bybee, who, like, is their starting pitcher right now? They have that whole bullpen fresh that with an off day following,

They should absolutely be balls to the walls tomorrow. And all these stars we're talking about, are you performing, are you not? You know, a talking baseball favorite, J-Ram right now. He has had a tough, tough postseason, and they need him to be like the guy. I think he's underrated, isn't he? I mean.

Aaron Boone takes his arms off. How can you throw your arms at the TV if you take your arms off, Aaron? Oh. Heavy. Answer that one. anything else you want to tee up about the next game or anything else from this game. Yeah, I mean, again, I'm kind of questioning the bullpen moves because Tanner,

Tanner Bybee is your start or a guy that's pitched really well. So, like, you can almost say, well, hey, maybe we don't need our, we aren't going to need our bullpen as much. I don't know, man. Maybe I'm just going hindsight too much on this episode. But I think that the guardians just, they can't, they can't give away free bases, man. That is like the one thing they cannot do. They don't have the offense to be able to overcome that.

So, you know, Bobby has to have a good start. Their good bullpen does need to be deployed. They do need to get the timely hits. Like, J-RAM's got to come up and do it. So or whoever is pinch hitting. Like that's kind of been their recipe, the entire freaking year, man. Whether it's Lane Thomas, David Fry, Brian Rokio, Andres Semenas, some of these guys that don't get mentioned in the baseball zeit guys too often,

they've been coming up clutch. Somebody's been coming up clutch every single, pretty much every single game this year for them. That needs to happen. You can't walk seven guys. Yeah. Eric Cole is scary, and he has a great track record. It's Cleveland, so, okay.

Yeah, hey, Cleveland, it was a tough game one for the New York Mets, and they have taken the momentum in that series. If they take down Cole, if J-Ram gets the big hit, or, you know, one of those, one of those Guardians guys that runs into one, Brandon Mansardo. We haven't talked about Josh Naylor for one second,

167 in the post season, 375 OPS. This is the guy that rocked Garrett Cole to sleep. You know I say this in the most endearing way. Josh's. If Garrett Cole drops him to sleep tomorrow Oh my gosh If Garrett Cole

Strikes him out And hits him with the baby Oh What will you do? What will you do? Like I don't have any dislike Towards Josh Naylor Or you know anything

I would be the South Park meme It's like the only meme I know Why is that? Why is that? Huh? I don't really know That's interesting That's pleasure island, huh?

Jim Carlos basement. We covered a lot, per usual. And we're in the teeth. Ricky was a Yankee, wasn't he? Or is that, am I talking? I don't think so. No, Carl Pavano was a famous Yanke. He also might be.

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