Talkin' Baseball (MLB Podcast) - Twins Trade the Batting Champion to Miami | 594

Episode Date: January 23, 2023

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Hello and welcome to talking baseball. We've got a fun trade to discuss twins and Marlins. We also got some Tommy John talk and a little extras if we get to it. Let's talk ball. Let's talk ball. Hello and welcome to talking baseball. My name is Jimmy. I'm sitting next to Jake.

BBD is in the corner of the room and Trev drinking out of an I love New York mug. Coming to you from California. It's Monday. and there was a trade, and we've got some talking to do twins and Marlins trade. And there's so many different opinions on this trade. I think on all sides of the spectrum, so I'm excited to talk about it.

But first, I must ask you, Trev, how are you doing? James, thank you for asking. I'm doing wonderful on this Monday morning. It's a little chilly outside, a little windy here. But I'm all bundled up in my nice jacket that you like. So I'm happy to be talking ball with you. I do want to get into the trade here because it is for my twins and Jake's Marlins. And you're right.

There's a lot of differing opinions on this. And we'll break it all down for the people. But I'm doing great. Jake, you look great. How are you feeling? Trev, James Davis, everyone with us. I feel good. I feel good, man.

It took me about a full week to recover from my Bachelorette part. on Saturday I was like, oh, I feel okay again. So that was good. Tough for talking giants and their watch party went to that. But I'm doing well. And yeah, I want to get ahead of this one. You know, I know a lot of people call us out. You know, we're big on the YouTube.

We're big on the podcast. And are you guys just using Marlins and twins as clickbait? No. We got to talk about this one. Okay? Pablo Lopez, my guy. Luis Ara is actually kind of my guy. guy. But I'm excited. It is a quirky one. The jazz chisholm kicker on this is as good as it gets for me

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I like it better for the twins. When we were discussing this as a possibility, because these were rumors for a while, they were saying, Arise for Lopez straight up. And I said, I don't know if I would do that deal. I don't know if I would do it straight up.

Arise is a fan favorite. I like what he brings his ability on the baseball field. It's different. It's not something that teams are like necessarily even looking for nowadays. They like guys that slug. and base percentage is great. But, you know, the three years of control and the fact that, you know,

you can just put them at the top of your lineup and kind of let him run. I like that. And Pablo has two years of control there. So the one for one swap, I just didn't think it was right. And obviously the twins didn't either. They refused that. End up getting two more prospects. And one of them, I believe, is a top five shortstop prospect that the Marlins paid

in like over $2 million for in the amateur class. So once it got to that, I like it a little bit. better. I'm not a big prospect guy, but you do have to, you know, have guys in your farm system. You have to develop talent. And, you know, two, I think it's like $2.6 million this guy got and some of the scouting reports on him. I like that they got a prospect along with it. So as much as it hurts because Arise was a fan favorite and people, it's, it's really fun to watch him play. It's, it's an ode to kind of some old school baseball, you know, the way he works at bats and, you know, he's swinging and putting the ball in play, which is nice.

we've been, and I say we in Minnesota, we've been asking for pitching for a long time. So you can't, you know, be upset when you have to give up something of value to get something you need. That's kind of where I'm at with this trade. And just in case you don't live on the internet like us or you have no idea,

it's Luis de Reis, Pablo Lopez, and the two prospects, Jose Salas, and Byron Churio, BBD's Byron Churio. I like the trade for the twins. You get Pablo Lopez, who the past three years. I mean, I'm interested to see what it looks like. You know, Marlins have played in historically kind of a little bit of a pitcher's park.

You know, his 2021 is massive. I mean, a 307 ERA 20 starts, that's, you know, that's two starter type stuff. Last year, 375, 32 starts, 180 innings, though. Up until the deadline, he was really good last year. And then he was supposed to get traded and he didn't. We've seen players get injured by that or something else happened. but there's, you know, it passes the eye test. He's in his prime, right?

He's 26 years old. We'll turn 27 in March. Happy spring training. I love Luis Arais. You know, anyone that's been a listener of the show, like you're saying, Treb, there's few and far between those guys that have the different approach, that when you say the dumb baseball phrases, like, why don't you just slap that the other way?

Or, you know, keep your hands in and get. Like, he's one of the few guys that can do that. He's a, he's a Brantley, he's a LeMayhew. He's like, he's the next generation of that guy. And I love watching him hit. And the stats are there that passes the eye test. For the Marlins, the problem is, okay, you added this guy. They needed power, it felt like.

Like, they needed, they've needed offense from. Yeah, their bottom, like, their bottom three in batting average last year as a team and power. Like, yeah. I agree with you guys. I saw this and I like it for the twins. I mean, Pablo Lopez, when healthy, has been really good. And he might not be the ace that's going to win you the playoff series,

but hey, you need to get to the playoffs as the twins. And he's the type of pitcher that if he goes 180 pitches, he's going to help you every week be competitive innings, be competitive, even if he's not like the stud ace, ace. But, yeah, I mean, Arise is a very nice ball player. He's a, in this day and age, a complimentary hitter. Like, you need all the power, which is great for the twins because they have the power. So they are missing that cog by losing him, by having a guy that's bat to ball.

That is a different approach. They do miss out on that, but they needed pitching more. The Marlins, like, is he just a better Miggie Row? And then the Marlins are bumping Jazz Chisham is like that kind of bad. You know, like they already, I don't know, they're just bumping jazz jazz jazz just in the center field and arise to second base. It seems like neither of those are their best position. Is he better?

Is that at second? Because he's one. No. That's kind of, you know, a reason that a lot of people are saying the twins kind of wanted to move on. They didn't want to move on from him, but we're willing to move on from him was the fact that,

you know, he's defensively, you know, a liability, if you will. And they saw him as a first baseman, DH. And you can kind of find those.

guys anywhere. You know, Aaron Gleman has a great article in The Athletic talking about this. He says, you know, he's got a 784 OPS last year. There's somebody in the Twins organization that come play first base and have a 784 OPS. And that's what they're looking to replace. They're banking on the fact that they can do that. And now they got their number two starter from a rise. So that's kind of where they're at. And that's, you know, the reason his OPS is in the 700s is because he doesn't slug. Like you're talking about the Marlins needed power. And he doesn't provide power. great hitter, someone that's really fun to watch and can be a table setter for you, but definitely not someone that's going to slot into the middle of your lineup and drive in a bunch of runs.

Yeah, it's Araya's, I'll go cross sports for a second. It's been one of the NBA, like, Draymond Green arguments for years. Like Luis Araya's in the right lineup is awesome, dude. I mean, he's going to hit 300. He's also, he's worked on his opace on base. And he, like, he slugs a little for this kind of hitter. Like, he's kind of a double slash slashy guy. And maybe a little bit of that comes more in time, but not in Miami.

And there's just not the dudes behind him. Like, you kind of like Ariya Seguer and Jazz Chishol. Like, that's fun. Avicale, Avisail Garcia, Garrett Cooper, Jorge Solerre, those are MLB guys. They don't have, like, their MVP candidate. Like, they need a Ronald O'Cunia Jr. or someone in the middle of this lineup. And you'd be like, okay, if these other guys mess around and do their thing, Right now, Jazz Chisholm's projected for 26 homers and 25 steals.

So he is a dude, but they, their Luis Arise would be better paired in a lot of other baseball lineups, which makes it feel a little weird. And going back to the twins side of it, because we do need to circle up on my guy, Jazz and everything he's saying, hey, let's circle back a couple weeks. Correa's a met and you don't have Pablo Lopez. And now Correa in or Rise Out, which when you talk about, the defense, you know, Araya's kind of hunting for what his MLB station will be. Can he settle in at a first base or second base or DH? Maybe it becomes his versatility becomes the perk. Like,

you don't love him at a position, but if he needs to fill in for a couple weeks, that can be his MO. Correa, you're getting platinum glove at shortstop and you know what he's going to do on offense. And you brought in Pablo Lopez. That the twins' rotation, right now for Twins rotation. You don't have the Johan at the top. But my God, Pablo, Sunny Gray, Joe Ryan, Tyler Molly. Those are guys that can give you, even Kenta Mayeta coming back. Those are guys that can give you a year as a two, three starter.

And going back to the Jorge Lopez trade at the deadline last year, Jorge Lopez and Duran at the back of that bullpen, that's the best Minnesota's had back there in a long time. So Twins fans, you've got to be pretty hype right now. The Twins fans that I talked to were, upset. Yeah, because they love a rise. Because they love them.

They love a ride. I know. Because day to day, the guy that can give you two hits every day, you fall in love with Yes. And it is important to have, like, I know his OPS is in the sevens, and I do love OPS. He shouldn't be judged that way. But he shouldn't be judged by that way, because you do need guys that, as long as the OPS is in seven, seven, five, five, five, five, in between there.

And you got the average in the on base, I think you can provide, uh, 100. percent for your team now it's when the OPS is in the 800s or the 750 and you don't have on base or batting average me personally I'm not a fan of when someone's the opposite of that yeah when someone's OPS is just slugging I think they are not a value as valuable as they are perceived by other people because they don't help day to day they get one homer every week and then that's all I think we need to huddle up here little bit. All of Minnesota, all the Twins fans, can we huddle

up a little bit and have a real... Sure, we're invited in the huddle. Yeah, you're in the huddle. Because you guys are like Twins fans. You're rooting for the twins. It's like gotten to the point now where Yankees fans are rooting for the twins, I think. I want to see him in the postseason, of course. Yeah. So, let's huddle up. The real problem here, guys.

Okay? And it's been this way for a long time. You mentioned the starting rotation for the twins. Those guys were all acquired in the last two years. They've had to trade. They've had to go, you know, sign free agents. All of these guys are from trades that are listed on fan graphs right now.

But you have to develop starting pitching. That has been the problem in Minnesota for the past decade and a half. You've got to develop starting pitching. And, you know, like that is the key. If you're not going to go out and spend on marquee free agents and kind of get supplemental pieces, you better be developing your pitching and they just haven't done. that. What needs a change? I don't know. Do they have to get lucky in the draft? Probably. Do you have to change some things around, you know, in the minor leagues? Probably. But like,

we need to develop pitching. We've been able to do it with some players. We haven't developed a star. I mean, Byron Buxton is that, obviously. And you got some of these guys who are, you know, Jorge Polanco, Max Kepler, Miguel, Sinell, these guys have been good ball players for you over the last, you know, five, six years. Louisa Rice is another one. But the starting pitching. Pitching in general. I mean, that's been the Achilles heel of the twins organization for quite some time.

And it still is. I mean, this is great. We're making moves here. That's why I'm saying if you're a twins fan, I get it stings because you like a rise, but we've been asking for pitching forever. So you're getting it now. And I think Pablo is going to be a great addition

to that rotation, but we need to develop, man. Like that is, that's the key. But I mean, also credit to them for using their hitting to bring in all this pitching over the past few years. If it's not developing and you're not rooming ones and twos, which a lot of teams are not, at least they've gone out and done this,

and I wonder if there's anything else for them. Like they kind of have DH bats available, and there's a couple guys in free agency that gets you interested, a Luke Voight, someone like that. You know, if he can click for a little bit and you can plug him at DH, I wonder if there's anything there. But if you're the twins, man, I mean, I think if you told fans your roster ended up here

a couple years ago when they were looking at their rotation, like, I don't know, guys. This is pretty nice. Yeah, and the Marlins confuse me. Yeah. I think a little bit, right? So, yeah, we'll speak on jazz. I love the, and Jake, you can attest this as a blitzball player.

You know, you ask Jazz if he can do something. he's going to say, yeah, and I'm going to be the best at it. Like, love that. I'm going to go win a gold glove in center field and money, Mike responded to him on Twitter being like, are you really? It's not that easy, Jazz. I love your confidence. I want to see you go out there and run around and make some plays.

But you got to get to work right now, like ASAP, like get out there right now and start taking some fly balls because it is a different animal. I made the transition. I'm not, I mean, jazz is a superior athlete to me as far as, going and getting it out in the outfield, I'm sure of it. But it's not easy. You think it's going to be easy. You think if I can handle ground balls and shortstop and second base, I can definitely catch a fly ball.

It gets a little dicey out there sometimes, bro. I mean, that jazz chisholm quote, I'm already anticipating the internet's going to have a lot of fun with that because he's going to have moments because any baseball player has moments, never mind someone transitioning to the outfield. That being said, I mean, long term, I won't bet against jazz. Dude is a freak athlete.

He was 94th sprint speed last year. Like that. Him telling the front office, you don't get a center fielder, then I'm playing out there. Like you guys, if you guys don't figure it out, I will.

Yeah, I was going through the NL, and I mean, there's, you know, there's some guys that, you know, money Mike in division. That guy plays a pretty good center field. Cody Bellinger just joined the Cubbies. He's got some gold on his glove. I don't know. I love the attitude, right? Like, what else do you want jazz chasm to say like, yeah, there's going to be some growing pains, but I hope I'm better day by day.

That's what he sounds like. Go out and get it, Jazz Chisholm. That'll be a refreshing, though, right? If jazz was like, yeah, I'll be all right out there at first. You know, maybe I'll get better because that's the truth. Right. you know what I had another very cocky baseball player telling me that okay I don't know if you guys know Ryan Braun

he's a third baseman stunk at third base okay he did sorry bro he goes I'm gonna move to the outfield he goes think about all the left fielders in the game and this is true at the time left field in baseball was just

you put your donkeys out there and he goes man I'm gonna be the most athletic left field or out there I'm gonna win a gold glove no problem Ryan Braun does not have any gold on his glove I don't think, you know, like that wasn't in the cards for him. Different scenarios. I know jazz, like I said, used just 94%ile in sprint speed.

That means something in center field. Well, it's going to be difficult. Alex Gordon, third baseman like Ryan. Yes. Well, that's, that is the one you can point to. Gold Glover. Yes. Yeah.

And Belly was the first baseman. He was on the compound. They did the live show. I were talking about that. It's the first baseman going up and then went to center field and won a gold glove. his I screen shot it and we posted the clip but he thought he was going to be short his whole life and then he's like I know I was 6-3 one year

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Go check them out, and there's a link in the description. I don't know if you guys know this. the Marlins are very close to signing someone like everyone's kind of saying it's done. Yuleiguriel. Hmm. Hmm. So another kind of contact first bat. So maybe their new theory is let's try to contact teams to death.

I believe they did say they were going to go that way. And that's all the Indians or the guardians, excuse me? Yeah, no, but I think it was last offseason. They said they were trying to build or during. Or during the trade deadline. They, they, at one point it was reported that like they're in on, on average and small ball.

And I think Maddenly was like, what? Like, okay. Yeah, for a few people. Like, I'm into that.

Like, I'm into that. I think there needs to be balanced in a lineup. You can't just have a bunch of sluggers because it's awful to watch. They don't have any sluggers. They don't have any sluggers. Yeah. Yeah.

And two, like, you know, you know, you're saying like a rise and, and, and, and these guys,

you put him at the top of the lineup as table setters and let the guy slug behind him, great. Marlins need to find that slugger, though. Yeah, I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I need a pop guy.

Why did we ever doubt Jeter? Why do we ever doubt him? He left. We got Coupaloo, you know? Rope some doubles. Is he coming back? I'm Gary Sanchez. Sign a short stuff.

Joey's there. Don't make Don't make 33-year-old Joey Wendell play his first full. season at shortstop. Can we do a fun exercise real quick? Oh, okay. Like, uh, perpies?

Burpees you done lifetime. That's pretty good. That was pretty good. Hey, listen, you said the Marlins there, you know, they wanted to change their organizational philosophy to, you know, bat on ball, you know, let's run, let's do all that stuff. If you were the GM or the owner of a team, you're the owner GM, what's your like one thing? What? Crane is currently owner GM.

Sure. What's your, like, your, your one thing is it, I want to, I want a pitching team. I want power. Like, what's your organizational, like, what do you want for it? Yes. You want a baseball skill, not like a mental thing. Whatever you want, coach, GM. Hmm.

Or are you going to say gumption? Yeah. I was going to say tenacity, actually. It's all the same thing. I'm starting pitching. Oh, fucking day long. I just want starters. We'll figure it out offensively.

That's the Indians. You just, the guardians, sorry. Both of you? Hey, they went to the playoffs. Leap that. Yeah, but I don't know. That's just,

wait, I got one. Balance. Oh, God. That's just, I choose balance with that. Do luck with that. It's so brutal because there's,

none of these organizations are saying like, you know what, we don't need to, worry about starting pitching. No, no, but they don't make it a five years ago. Priority. I think, uh, we'll just get all the relievers and the raise for a little bit.

Like there was 2018 to 2020 was like starting pitching. You can just get four inning guys and both. It really was going that way. It swung back. I'm so glad it did because that was an awful watch. And it's going back to like, oh shit, I think we need starters who can pitch five plus. Give me some athletes.

You know that's what I like. I'll mold you. Raw. You know raw talent? That's what you're doing with Kotuck, right? Consistency. I want starting pitching, depth, and outfield defense. Power hitting.

That's what I want. Contact hitting, speed. I want everything. Yeah, that's what I was doing. Okay, that exercise did not work. I'm sorry. In my head, it was much better. Let's talk about some Tommy John guys.

So these are guys coming back from Tommy John. Have your eye out for him. We saw Verlander look really good. One, a Siyang. Not the norm. I believe at this time last year, I said, I'm not counting Verlander as a Syung comeback. He's just a different breed of a player. Everyone else, you've got to be a little timid about.

Now, Noah, Sindegard did get traded, did provide value with his deal. But then you have a lot of guys who have setbacks. But is there any, I have the list here, like, big impact, Dustin May for the Dodgers. Is that kind of the biggest impact comeback on a team that's going to be in the playoffs? They might go slow with him because you want them for the postseason. They think they're going to be in the playoffs probably without him. He's the biggest one I'm seeing on here that I'm like, ooh. Yeah, it depends.

Glass now is on there. And I mean, you know, he would be the raise, you know, they could have a serious one too this year with McClanahan becoming the dude he's become. and if Glassnow is back to being Glass Now, I mean, that, you know, they could have an argument for best one, two punch in Major League Baseball, if he's right. And he kind of came back at the end of the last year, but he kind of cinderguarded. It was kind of. Bueller, too.

So the Dodgers got two guys. Yeah, but Bueller, I mean, he's on, you know. He's like maybe back in a playoff bullpen rule. Yeah. Like, Glassnow came back. He's going to be fully back. So that's exciting for Ray's fans. Tough for the ALE East.

the other guy that well a this list started with forest whitley which i was just like god damn it if the astros this year if we're looking down in their rotation and whitley finally clicks he's a name that a lot of prospect people have heard about for a while and they've also got who's the other guy hunter brown like if i see the next wave of astros pitchers then it's like all right let's buckle up for another another decade because that's what's coming and but um jakey boy yes we did this exercise with the twins everyone is traded for over the last two years and then we go to the astros page on roster resource on the fan graphs website every single one of them is developed by the astros it's a joke this is what i'm talking

about people i mean what they've been able to do and then you're adding forest in there too if he comes back and it's something i mean they don't even have hunter brown listed here which is another one. But you got Framber, Christian Javier, Lance McCullors, Jr., Luis Garcia, and Orchiti, all signed or drafted by the Astros. It's a joke. They're the model right now, man. Yep.

Bryce Harper on this list and Pac- Guy. Nice. That is good. There's a lot of guys on this. Ryu's coming back at the All-Star break. If Blue Jays say he can help us out here, then there John Means for the Orioles is interesting. They might be in it.

Oh, this wasn't on our sheet, but the Rogers Center's moving in their walls. How about that? All the hitters were like, hey, remember when we were playing in Dunedin and Buffalo? And we hit like a lot of home runs. Let's do that. Did they announce it's officially a move in?

I heard that they haven't announced what the dimensions are. Yeah. And I know the wall heights are changing. They're raising the walls. Yes, I believe the alleys are going to be short now. Center field distance reduced from 400 feet to 397. Left center power alley, 375 to 366. That feels like homers.

The fence and right center power alley will come in from 375 to 357. So yeah, the power alleys are like in. That was already a place to hit. Yes. Well, well, it's changed. over the last couple years all the ballparks are playing differently because of the humidor they're storing

the balls in. So forget who put it out on Twitter. Someone put out like the, you know, the on baseball savant, the list like the best home run parks. And the Rogers Center was smack in the middle. And that used to be a place you went and if you didn't hit a home or in a series, you were pissed.

Chase Field out in Arizona, another place that's really been affected by that. The humidor whereas and they just become average ballpark. So I guess they're seeing this data and they want it to go back to a hitters park. I don't know how, like, who makes those decisions for these teams? Yeah, how is it sanction?

How is it's sanctioned? There's also like kind of, I don't think it, yeah, it must be approved by someone, but I don't know like who's doing this. It seems like we're moving fences every single year now. Yeah, I feel like you need to have a time limit on this. Like you get to move your fences and then you can't move them again for 10 years.

Because otherwise you just sign a bunch of lefties and then move right field in. Or you sign a bunch, you know what I mean? Like you can literally alter it year to year. And I don't know. There might be parameters around this that we don't know. But it does seem like it happens a lot. But we haven't seen like one team do it a bunch of years, right? The Mets did it like five times over 10 years.

With that many. New stadium, you get some, you get some. you get a little extra caveat there. You get like an extra move. We're figuring it out. Like when you find out what the wind tunnels are. And I know Roger Center, it's also that the walls are like different heights throughout.

It's not like a uniform height, right? Why are we raising any walls? Like a home run robbery. Like a home run is very cool. Like that's like as cool of a clip you can post in baseball and we're raising walls. Like I agree. I totally agree on that.

Although we've seen, they already have some, some decent size walls in the Roger Center. And left field, you've seen Ben Revere go make plays up there. You've seen Kevin Pilar like climbing these walls. They're already like decent size walls. I got the tweet up right here. It's our guy Paul Sporer.

Shout out you, dude. He just took a screenshot from baseball savant. Shout out you, dude. Shout out for that. You, dude. Roger Center, 17th in baseball Park Factor. And to me, that place is one or two in my mind. but the humidors really changed things.

What stadium currently has 3.50 to write? I want to see how many home runs they would have had. Trev, it's 2012. Yeah. It's you. It's Ben Revere. It's DeNard Span. It's Dozier.

Ryan Daumet. Ryan Domenet. Yeah. Chris Parmer. Darren Masterani, fans of the show may know his name. Drew Bue. What was the like to be came?

Yeah. We lost a lot of ball games that year. A lot of ball games. We worked hard, you know. I wonder what our rotation was. I will say that. Not very good, I had to guess. Scott Diamond.

A tough Liriano year. Yikes. Nick Blackburn. Wrigley's 355. Liam Hendricks and Cole DeVries. What did it say that the new left field is going to be? So they had left field. That's the trade.

360, you said, something like that? 375 to 366 and left and 375 to 357 and right. So I like that. At least they just switch the numbers. I'm trying to find. Okay, left. Oh my God. This website has what they're marked as and what they actually are.

that's funny so all right dodger is 366 to left i wasn't was that on talking yanks or here that happer was talking about wrigley's dimension and he was like yeah some of those numbers might not be right because they measured them with their feet about 100 years ago a guy locked out just their stride length he's like we're looking at as it i did all the blue jays home games from last year now i'm just looking at left center and if it was if it was 368, which is Dodgers,

and this is just expected. We're looking at like 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 14. 15 more team homers, 15 to 20 more team homers to left. Now that right center, that comes into 355. Shit. People were already buying Dalton Varshow stock. Laddie. My goodness.

While we're talking ballpark shapes and renovations, we should mention Comericas. Trev could have helped you out. We talked about that a little bit on this show or baseball today. That was a big park. Right now, last year, I got the Park Factor page up. Can you guys guess the top three parks for, I'll do homers.

I'll do homers. I don't know for homers. I know for Park Factor. It's Rockies, Fenway. And Citizens Bank, or no, no, Cincinnati. Yes, nice, nice James. Those are the top three for Homer's, Cors, Cincinnati, and then there's two California teams in a three and four slot, Angels and Dodgers.

Oh. I think this gives the Rogers Center is going to have the shortest right center now, if it's 355. Citizens Bank is 357. So that'll be the shortest left lefty power. rally or whatever. Manoa, Gossman, Barrios, Bassett, Cacucci. That's kind of got to be bad news for them, right?

Like, you basically know I'm going to give up two more homers than I would have. It's a lot by, yeah, but the Blue Jays, the team last year, they're getting like 50 homers out of this. That, according to distance projected. Sure. No wind or anything. Not a ton of win in the Rogers Center.

Yeah. Fenway Park number three in Park factor. A lot of people in my world been saying we need to get Fenway out of the game. Not me. I think it's awesome. I love it. It is a different brand of baseball. Like I say this kindly.

I know Yankee Stadium we have pop-ups to shallow right field. And they're pop-ups that are homers. But Fenway, it's a different kind of baseball. It's kind of cool because there's way more offense than like fucking. Anything can do anything. But man, watching games like Red Sox fans who just grow up there watching a lot. It's like it's way different. I mean, fly balls are singles, doubles, the outfields got the corner.

And the park factor shows it shows it. Like there's just guys on base all the time. When when you walk up to the plate at Fenway and you in their peripheral have this massive green wall and left and you know like, hey, I can, I can just pop one up off that thing or pop one up over that thing, no problem. You understand they're going to feed you super, you know, tight inside and then pitch you away because right center, I mean, as a right-handed hitter, you're just like not going to go there. Especially if you go in the alley in like the little triangle corner and like right center and center field, like that's very deep.

And then you look down right field and that pole seems like it's right next to you. But it's hard to hit the ball that way for a right-handed hitter. So like there's all these things in your mind. mind you kind of want to pull the ball because right center is a beast but the way they pitch you they don't allow you to do that it becomes kind of like a mental game where you have to get the monster out of your head and just try to stay up the middle and then whatever happens happens i wonder if the data shows like that like the the updated data that fan grafts did a whole article about it at yankee stadium lefties if you're not like a homer homer hit her it actually sucks because there's just not a lot of

grass to find, especially when the shift was happening. For lefties at Fenway, you always think righties get more benefit because it's so deep. But there's a lot of grass for lefties that can hit singles and doubles that way. And then if they can poke it opposite, like how many like Ortiz outside pitches that he just throw the barrel out and just plop it off the monster? Like I wonder the advanced numbers, how like lefties who have those skills. It's got to be the best ballpark ever. That's a deep center.

Big right. That was a Maurer discussion all the time. If Joe Maurer played in Fenway, what would his numbers be? Because he, I mean, how many balls did he hit down the line in left field? They were caught. Like, there would have been doubles off the wall in Fenway. It was a lot. I think they ran the numbers.

This is before we had computers, apparently. So no one was really running analytics at that time. But they talked about that quite a bit, like what Maurer would be at Fenway. And if anyone's a listener here and wants to put the numbers together, that'd be sick. I'd like to know. I mean, I can do it for... hitters last year at Fenway. Yeah, Joe Mauer on that 2012 team, 319, 861 OPS, whoops.

Yeah, it goes back. We saw the Yankees build a team of all of right-handed sluggers because when you yank and Yatze a home run, you get it good, there's a good chance it's going to go. But if you flick one to right, those guys are also going to get homers that way. The Yankees went too hard stacked that way. But yeah, I think if you're a lefty that can handle the bat,

at Fenway. Like Freddie Freeman, if he was a Red Sock, would probably have a legitimate, two of his years he would be chasing 400. Would you bet on that? I bet on a Draft King sports book. I was going to say we were talking about the run factor at Fenway. You ever check out any of those lines,

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Them tails. The player in Major League Baseball who had the most flyouts projected to go 310 feet or more to left field last season was Drevado. Freddie Freeman.

Freddie Freeman. Now I'm going to hit spray chart and then I'm going to change the venue to Fenway. And we're going to see what that does for Fred. Okay. Well, I don't fucking lot of homers. One, two, three, four, five, six, eight, nine, ten, eleven, twelve, thirteen, fourteen, fifteen, sixteen, sixteen, seventeen, sixteen, seventeen, sixteen, eighteen, eighteen, twenty one, twenty two, twenty two, twenty, twenty, twenty, five, three, six out of the park. So it doesn't take in height. But that's twenty seven outs that would have been extra base hits for Freddie. If you play it at Fenway. last year.

Now that is not home and away games. So I would just do just home games. And it would be less because you don't play all your games there. But still, that's Josh Willingham, 35 donkeys. Marcus Simeon has the most home games. Wow, baseball savon kind of updated the way. There's a lot of stuff here. Marcus Simeon had 17 that would have been extra base hits at Fenway.

I mean, what is seven? He already had 70 extra base hits. What does 17 extra base hits do for Marcus Simeon? Probably a lot. Probably a fucking... Probably a nice year. He's fast too, I mean... I'll have to hit in that new Texas ballpark.

Dang. Dang. Anything else we want to talk about? Some notes at the end here? Well, we're at Fenway. The SOC signed... I'll check out Duvall's numbers. You're right.

Adam Duval. And we can twist that in. Adam DeVall, one for seven, I think. You guys, you know, a famous. I had my Jakey-lock bet on his RBI total S here and got it right. But no, Adam Duvall comes in, plays a really good center field. We just talked a lot about dimensions. You got that deep part of center field in Fenway and heading out to right field.

There's a lot of room to roam that way. He'll be able to move around the outfield. And Jim, I know it was kind of your knee-jerk reaction to it, but, you know, the Red Sox, we currently have the Red Sox who have, the Red Sox who have Kike Hernandez listed as their starting shortstop. The Marlins with Joey Wendell, two guys who have never played a full year at starting shortstop. Elvis Andrews is still out there, or is there anything else going on that one of these teams is going to do? Because then if the Red Sox were to bring in a shortstop, Kiki then can be, well, he could also Kiki.

He can play all over the outfield, all over the infield, and that's the ideal role you'd have them in. But as of now, Sox bring in Treves Adam Duvall. they've made a lot of moves and we were kind of at the beginning of the offseason with the Bogart's thing, we were kind of down and they missed out on different players and then Trevor Story gets hurt and I think everyone in Red Sox Nation,

is that what they call it? I don't know. They were upset. But as the roster started to take shape as we're getting closer to spring training starting, I mean, I don't mind what they're throwing out there. Now, I know they're in a tough division. I know they finished last in it last year and it doesn't seem like necessarily like a

Red Sox team that we're used to. But if, and you know, there's ifs, if these guys show up, I could see this team seriously competing, having a chance at the wild car. Like there's enough good players on this roster. Chris Sale needs to come back. I think he just had a Humpty Dumpty quote.

So kind of love that. Like they need him. to be back. His quote was actually pretty good. He was like, I'm, you know, I'm going to be 34, but technically my arm's 30, which is a great way of, great way of saying I've been hurt for a bunch of years. Oh, I was born harmless. You did think that. I thought that's what he was saying. He grew it at four. I'd have to check. Duval in the last two seasons, he played like half of the last two seasons, or not even half, I think, in 2021. But 11 balls. That would be extra base hits at Fenway in his home games only that were outs in those two seasons.

But again, that's sound, I think he only played 50. What did he play in 2021? So last year he, he ended up playing, 2021 was the year he played a lot of games. He played at 146. Oh, he got traded. Oh, he got traded. Yeah, he traded.

Last year he got hurt. 86. So hey, you know, if you're Boston, you're talking yourself into 2021, Adam DeVall, 38 dinged. He's 113 RBI while playing gold glove defense. So I don't know, there's a little bit of a value play there for a guy that got hurt last year. And like Treff said, I mean, there's names on that roster. Can they all come together, put it together, and mostly get enough pitching?

Because like Jimmy said, and like you were alluding to, like the socks will hit, their offense will click for sure will they be able to pitch enough? And they added some bullpen, so circle the starting pitching, which we talked about all episode basically. Circled. You circled that. I circled them. And it was pretty funny.

There was a, you know, Cubs Fest was this weekend. Did Twins Fest happen yet? Is that next weekend? Which one? I'll be leaving early Friday. Ohio. Not the Ohio Twins Fest. Treb's going to see his guy Carlos out there, maybe Pablo now.

They should combine them. They should combine them. They should both Twin Fest should meet in the middle. And if you're, because they're twins. If you attend the Twins Fest in Ohio, which is for twins. and your twins fan discount prices.

But they, uh, Go Mauer, I mean, that's famous twin. Yes. Had twin girls. I mean, you can't fucking write it up any better than that.

Got to love that. Hey, listen. Rogers brothers. Listen, I thought I had something to say, I kind of forgot what I was going to say. Happens.

Hammer it. 10 seconds on the clock for, oh, behind the scenes. Yeah. Talk right here, people. Yes.

Warehouse Willie hit me up. He wants to come to Minnesota with me. I don't know if he's mentioned that to you guys, but I was like, I don't know, run it by them. Okay. That's some serious behind the scene stuff. He wants to come film and get in there. I think he needs a vacation. Trying to get to Minnesota. I'm on vacation next week. We'll talk about that. He kind of wants to bunk up with me in my hotel room. I don't know how that's going to work, but it's good. That's the good stuff. There are some good clips from Cubs Fest. Ian Hap, the compound, a lot of excitement, Danesby all that.

Red Sox, they did their version and the ownership and GM got booed pretty good. Yeah. Boo that man, they said. Pete Kerr Armstrong was also at Cubs Fest. Who's my new favorite player? Yeah, PCA. Who were those people trying to get rid of Fenway? I'm not going to out.

I'm a lot of people in my circle. Hmm. Yeah. All right. That's the episode. Thank you guys. Appreciate you. subscribe to the YouTube channel.

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