Talkin' Baseball (MLB Podcast) - USA Embarrasses Themselves By Not Knowing The Rules | 1100

Episode Date: March 11, 2026

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Oh, hello and welcome to talk in baseball. We got some gossip people to Rosa and USA, Cal Raleigh and the handshake. Forza Italia. We were going to talk about other stuff. Joe Lasorza. Drew Boutera. Oh. Oh.

Chiao. You're out. Chow. Welcome to. to talking Bezabal. That's Italian. I'm Jake Storelli.

Yeah. Name ends in a vow. So does Trevor Plouf. Silent. Like, I got to stop. I'm on one. I'm on one.

I've become a troll towards my own country. So that's a problem. I have some friends actually mad at me. If you're your first talking baseball episode, I don't know. Because we're covering baseball gossip drama

from an event that doesn't matter but now supremely matters. Trevor Plouffe, hey, how are you? I don't know how to approach this episode at all because I kind of want to like empty the chamber here a little bit because I am the team USA guy and I do feel very passionate about this tournament that doesn't matter. But at the same time, I, I'm not that guy, pal. That's not usually my I don't usually go after people like this, but I think, I think we might have to today. Just a little bit, Jakey boy. I'm very happy for you.

And I will say this. Everyone's like, they're all proud to be Italians. Have you ever met someone that's not proud to be Italian? It's a proud heritage. Yeah. It's crazy. Yeah. We need more of that in the States.

Okay. And we'll end. Let's end the show with that. And I've got another surprise for you, Trev. A second surprise guest I'm dropping on you in the past couple weeks. It's WBC rules expert, James, Vincent, Michael O'Brien, who is watching. I knew it. I knew it.

Jimmy. I'm mad at Mark DeRosa. Because he's making me make videos where I'm mad at him. You know, he's a fellow media person. He's great on MLB Network. And now I got to make videos just talking about how he's dumb one way or dumb the other. There's no option. There's no option where they're not dumb.

There's no option where they're not insanely dumb. and I'm hot about it, Trev. It's either you thought you advanced, and I know exactly why they thought they advanced, because I thought they advanced too, but I'm not in the arena. When Japan won their third game, the dialogue was Japan wins their third game,

they've moved on. And that was kind of the sentiment. It wasn't because everything else has happened and no other team, there's not a way that two other teams can win three. So I think that's why they thought that. He talked about how they partied all night. That's crazy.

He talked about how they partied all night. they were dragging, okay? They allow unearned runs throwing the ball around like dumbasses. And then, and then he gets Kershaw warming up before Mason Miller comes in in the game. When there's bases loaded and you need a strikeout, he didn't know until the eighth inning. And I need them to admit that. Or they dumb as hell because they just knew the tiebreakers existed, but they didn't do anything to do it. Like, Team Italy is holding the runner on first up, up seven.

runs in the eighth inning because they know every run matters. Team USA isn't pinch hitting for Paul Goldschmidt, and he's not scoring on a double because they know runs mattered. They don't. You can't, I think they did no idea until like the eighth inning. I mean, they didn't pinch it to rang until the seventh inning.

You don't think they misread the calculations? I mean, I think he misread the calculations. I think he's going to try and say, I said that, I misread it, and I said that, and I got corrected before the game started, but no way.

Because his quotes were, I want to get Goldie in the game. Goldie was the fifth worst hitter versus righty pitchers in Major League Baseball last year out of 155 qualified bats. The fifth worst. Bryce Harper's the lefty. Like, the more I talk about,

the more hot I am and I'm mad at them for making me mad. You know the answer, though. You know the answer. They didn't know. They thought. I also... That's why I'm mad. Yes.

Yes. I also don't... Dude, it's embarrassing. I don't care about the lineup, though. Like, this is Team USA. Like, all these guys should be able to go out there and do it. Team USA. Understood.

Whoa. Lorenzen's a major league. What? But what I'm saying is anyone you throw out there, I think, like, it's a good lineup. I know what you're saying, like... Team USA's hopped up on cap. This wasn't the best line. Caffeine,

but out there. Team USA is dragon because they were into the wee hours of the night. I also don't care about that unless the only reason I do care about that is if they were celebrating like they quit. They were.

They were. That's what he said. If it was just the boys hang and telling stories camaraderie building, I'm in on it because they didn't play until whatever it was, eight o'clock local time. But still, it's just why is he saying it, Treff?

Yes. And that's because he thought it didn't matter. But if they were, if they were like to do it a little, a small like toast to the freaking moving on to the next round, then I don't like it. But he's also going to say, because he said this about Goldie and Yarby, kind of what you're saying.

He's like, you know, they're on this team for a reason. It's like, sure, but there's better players than them. It wasn't the A lot of, no. Do you want to listen to what he said? After the game. Jim's listened.

do it a few times, I'm pretty sure, but let's, let's listen to it here. No, I'm, the reporter's not asking a follow-up. It's just absolutely insane. I watched the whole press conference. I was like, is someone going to follow up? He didn't give you any answer. I miscalculated. I missed, but which was it? Ken Rosenthal went in during a game to Terrick Scoobo, when Scoob would already given a clear answer about I'm not pitching again and pride and prodded until he got something out of Scoobble, which by the way, like, if Scoob's comes back, if America advances. We're going to be thanking Kenny

Rosenthal for that unprofessional interview. Where was he to follow up the questions in there? Can we send an ambassador down? Like, is Waino on this call? Like, let's send some birdies down, but Smolzzi didn't even know because he's like, no. No one knows, dude. He knew,

but his gut instinct didn't know. He had to remind himself constantly that runs matter. Smoltsy also said when Will Smith got the base at right, it's the best two strike hitting. We've seen at a USA all game long. even though Pete Karamstrom hit a three-run homer with two shots.

It's going the opposite way. That's different. Oh, yeah. Contact is kidding. I've got one that's been on my mind. Is there a judge conversation here? Because he's been so gung-ho about being the captain and we're winning this thing.

Shouldn't he also know the rules of the tournament? No. I don't think the players need to be in the business of the tiebreakers. I genuinely don't think the players need to be studying the tiebreakers. You've got a coaching staff. You've got some analytics nerds. You've got fucking friends at MLB network who are running these when he says this.

And I didn't, you can play the audio because I really didn't like how he was like, yeah, I said it. I was talking with my buddies. No, dude, you're fucking, you're not talking with your buddies. You're manager of Team USA. Act like it. Come on. Yeah, I'm talking to my buddies. I spoke.

Get it turned. Shut up. You're not me on the podcast right now. Like, dude, get me someone who's going to manage the team. This doesn't happen with Joe Girardi. We don't. I don't want to be doing this either. Just like you said, I think Mark Drosa is a fine individual. I like him. I'm mad at him for making me mad at him. Yeah. I think that's a lot. And a lot of people's sentiment is like, we love Mark DeRosa. He's great for the game. Like, where's no, like, who's the bench? How does he say it publicly? And no one. is like actually, you know, runs really fucking matter. I didn't see that interview until all this was going down.

I was like, I would have freaking shot out some texts or something. I'm the USA guy here. And he's like, the whole thing's so disrespectful. You know, we are respect in Italy, even though our tickets punched. Like, no, you're not. Yeah. Those are two lies. Those are, that's a lie and a wrong.

Yeah. We've got three assistant managers. Baseball guys, though, Jake. They're not numbers guys. Freddie Gonzalez, Brian McCann, and Michael Young, assistant managers. They don't even, it's not, we're hitting, it's not bullpen. By the way, Treve, you just mentioned he followed you. David Ross is the bullpen coach.

Like, we got a lot of, we got a lot of guys here that someone's got to know. You know who team Italy has? They got a lot of catchers on their staff. And they got a lot of front office, XGMs, ex, special advisors. Those are people in the weeds making sure things are done right. But for real, either you don't care or you care. And if Cowrallie's not going to shake Randy's hand because we're taking it serious,

then fucking the whole team better know shit. It's a bad look. There's no way around it. I'm trying to like, I'm trying to like do the rose tinted glasses situation and you just can't because you chose all the players on your team ahead of all the players that just beat you. I mean, I told Joe's this. We went on a live yesterday that I wish he didn't post because I said something.

What's up with that, Joe? But there is there, like that is the difference in that game is that all those guys are like, we're not good enough. Fuck you. Chip on our shoulder. I told Joe's a story about this is really good. When you're in spring training, you get sent down to the minor leagues. A lot of times you face the big league pitching staff that come down to backfields and work.

And those are the days that you are so up. You hate spring training until those days because all you want to do is smash the big leaguers. That's exactly the energy that was there yesterday. These guys were like, Team USA. Like, you know, like even though they're their friends, it's like, we're not good enough.

We'll show you. And they did. And Team USA was like, ha, this is cute. You guys trying so hard in the game. It doesn't matter for us. Today's episode is sponsored by Best Western Hotels and Resorts. Life's a trip, so why not make the most of it?

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I've been saying that. I've been saying ho-hum, sleepwalking, Jolly and Swilly are making fun of me for some reason. We're saying ho-hum. I guess that's where I would... I say ho-hum. Yeah, because we're old. Jolly and Swilly and Swilly.

They're a dangerous crew. Swally. I guess for me, and this goes back into taking it serious. A, yes, USA rolled out and a squad for this for the most part, but they also have not a squad pieces. And then the other thing, if we're talking about this as a tournament

and we're seeing other countries like, that Mexico's starting pitcher the other day, just like pitching with straight balls, like just making up pitches on the fly. And we've got Matthew Boyd in a tournament where every run matters. Matthew Boyd, they're pitching. like it's a spring training game. I was shocked he was still out there.

I understand we still have to get pitchers, their pitches, but you're also disrespecting the tournament a little bit against Mexico. They never acted like there's a run differential that can be invoked. Also, where's my rules, guys? You know, this isn't, this isn't real.

This isn't correct, because maybe it's tampering, but like, you know, if you're the fucking marshal of the tournament or whatever, Why'd you walk to both managers before the game Like, all right, we understand the situation here You know, warehouse is that absolute joke But at least I go to both teams and be like, hey,

To advance, you need this many runs and this many things. Let's put on a good fucking show here. Like, where's anyone? Where's anyone on Team USA side letting them know this? Paul Goldsmith shouldn't start. Nah, guys, it's okay. We're just getting him as reps in because we're advancing.

No, you haven't advanced. Like, that's a conversation that should happen. at the very least we need a pinch runner there crazy that they had no fucking clue it had no clue but like jake saying in past games they had no clue that like it's not a wins and lost pool that look at the 2023 pool a whatever every team was two and two like this happens every world baseball classic and we're just late to it because we don't give a fuck so now you're you're playing two games that's what happened You can't act too cool and like you're going to cakewalk and then lose.

So I get, I get, I get, I get why he has to pitch everybody. Like, you know, you have these guys. You got to keep them on track for the season. I understand. And I asked Joe's McFly, I said, dude, is the Dominican doing the same thing? He said, kind of. We've been beating the team so badly that it doesn't matter. Yeah.

And it's a bummer the Mets stunk. I texted Jolly that. and he said, you're becoming more like Jake Story Ali every single day. I said it back. But also, and DeRosa said this in his post game, like, yeah, maybe I should have went to the bullpen first before bringing Yerby. And like, yeah, dude, because it's a fucking, it's a big game and runs matter. And maybe you shouldn't have Kirchard warming up. Also, like, guys, the missing link here is team Italy came out and fucking did it.

They did. Yeah. And also. Getting bombs. You can't defend bombs. If Team USA won, I wouldn't be the equivalent of mad that I am right now. I wouldn't be the equivalent of happy if Team USA won. So it's almost like this tournament isn't going to elate me with that much crazy pride.

But don't embarrass us. Can I put a hypothetical that I gave to Joe's? Again, this live was wild. When they lost in the semifinals, I wasn't embarrassed. But this is embarrassing. You're the joke of the tournament. Jimmy. Yeah.

Would you rather the U.S. find their way in to the elimination round so we get this U.S. Dominican or Japan matchup that everyone wants? Or do you kind of want to see them not get in because of the tomfoolery that's going on? I'm happy either way. Nice. So it's great. They've put me in a win-win. Nice.

I mean, if they don't advance. It's crazy. I'll be pissed. I'm not happy either way. I mean, like, it's, it's really embarrassing for how much they've talked. It's, again, I mean, have they played with any emotion at all? Like some of the young guys, Gunners getting fired up, PCA, you know, Brazil and who'd they play, Brazil and Great Britain? Great Britain, like, okay, that's not going to do much where they absolutely destroyed them.

They were losing in the fifth inning to Great Britain. Oh, I forgot about it. that. You know what, though? Like, I was kind of with them there. Like, they're not losing this game. Like, DeRos is like, we're going to hit. And they did.

And Mexico, I guess it goes back to the run differential stuff. Mexico, they went up 5-0. Yeah. And it felt like, oh, okay, we're just doing it again. So they got those feelings. And then they didn't do the run prevention stuff. And then they got, they celebrated like they advanced.

And then they publicly told you they were dragging and that they advanced. And so, if Mexico wins by first. Four runs or less. Yeah, if Mexico wins 1-0-0-0-3-0-4-0-0-0, 2-1, 3-1, 3-2-2-2-4-2-4-2. 4-1, 4-2-4-3. It's not exactly four runs or less. It's like how many they score. Mexico has to score four runs or less.

If Mexico wins 5 to 4 or 5-0, U.S. advances. Mexico scores five runs U.S. advances if Italy wins. US advances. I think if Italy scores six runs also the U.S. advances, they can well, yeah, because for Mexico to win, they would have to score seven.

And if Mexico scores five, US advances. Yeah, whatever it is. So there's, it's just, it's just if it's a low scoring game, look out. And Jim, you mentioned it on the way through. Well, actually there's a couple funny things. I mean, Mexico, if they've got a chance to stomp on the U.S.'s grave,

going back to the Randy Roserena, headshake. like Randy comes up with the bases loaded in the 8. Strikes out of purpose. Did you just go like this? Did you see the font? Did you see the update there? What a weird update. We're going to get to that.

That's weirding you out the whole time. We're going to get to that too. Are we done it with the USA stuff? The DeRosa? I've got one more. I got one more thing that's funny with Mexico. There was also, if you guys remember, Treve, your guy, Benji Hill.

Is it Gil? In managing team Mexico. his quote was we do anything to face Team USA again. He did say that. I want nothing more in this world than the Face Team USA again. Judge said he would die out there for the guys. It's dramatic. They're talking like idiots.

Team USA is embarrassing themselves. Like when it all comes together, it's like, okay. Can I give someone that's really bothered me that doesn't matter at all? Yes. Oh, yeah. Why doesn't Will Smith? have a Team USA colored face mask. I mean,

Will Smith isn't much of a personality. So I love Will Smith, and it's one of those good ones that prevents concussions, but like we could, you knew you're gonna be on the team. So Will Smith takes the most foul tips to the mask out of any catcher

in all of baseball. You can't get him just a same replica one. I'm just giving you a stat. I asked him about it at the All-Star game. He was drip dry in response. So we didn't post it. But I was like, love Wilson.

By the way, he's, love Will Smith. Okay. I'm on, I'm team Will Smith, the catcher. Yeah. Yeah. He's not much of a talker. I mean, was the mask blue? It was Dodger blue. Okay. So yeah, that was, Will Smith was like, I don't, USA, red, white, and blue. I'm good. I'm not, I like superstitious guys. So if it's just like, this is my mask, this is what I'm comfortable. Also, he does take so many balls to the face. I posted a montage once. It's crazy. It doesn't matter, but I'm looking at it. And I'm like, dude, this is,

are we not show? Like, this is. This is the show of the show. Dude, you play Harper. You just play Harper. Well, yeah. He's the heartbeat. He got it in. The team.

Yeah. He got in. Late. They thought they were against. He was sitting there pissed the whole time. He was happy. They already advanced. They said on the broadcast that Harper and Bregman were shooting Durosah looks when he announced the lineup.

And Derosa said, I got to get these guys some reps. Which you don't. You don't have to. because it's been two, four games. One. Cal Raleigh and Randy, Jim, what's your update? The, well, I didn't see, I saw that the manager of the Mariners called them.

And it was like, Cal was like, I love Randy. He's my brother. And that was, and they thought that was a sufficient update. If, I just think this is bullshit because it's main stage.

And the visuals, it's the same thing as like an umpire. And the visual of it is just aggressively, Like just punch his hand with your glove, dude. So the context here, though, this isn't, this isn't the first at bat. Correct? No idea.

I forget. I think it was the fifth inning. I think it was the fifth inning. Because those are two different things to me. If Randy's shit talking, I will retract everything I say. I think that's middle of the game. I'm almost positive of it. And that's a different thing.

First inning, it's different. Hey, what's up, bro? Give them the glove tap like you said. But middle of the game, Cal is like, come on, man. Like, I'm trying to, like, he's taking it seriously. We just talked about team Eosay, not taking it seriously. Like, he's taking it seriously. I don't mind that.

Their facade of seriousness. Yes. You can say that. This is part of the facade. This whole thing where it's a nothing burger and it was a complete joke and misunderstanding. It wasn't. Like, Cal didn't want to say hi to Randy. Randy got upset.

I just think. Randy got upset. And then they had to squash it. Yeah. Well, their manager called them. They got called to the principal's office. Cal got called to the principal's office. His manager was like, what the hell is going on?

Randy told you to go to hell in four languages. I think it's a both sides of right situation. Like, Cal, yeah, throw the glove out there. What are we doing? But also, like, part of me likes the hard-o athlete side of it of like, hey, dude, we're trying to beat you. Like, we just complained about Team USA taking this fake seriously. And in that moment, you'd like to think Cal Raleigh's taking it as serious as possible.

Yeah, it's now that everything's in the smoothie of Team USA, it's horrific. I mean, it's just like this red assery, like that Team USA is like acting like they need. Was that red assery? Yeah. Like, I mean, look at like the DR and Venezuela. They're fucking partying. I mean, DR and Venezuela are going to do like a hangar together. You has partied too?

He was partied. I just, I just think like that visual sucks if it's genuine for Randy. And now he's like, oh my God, like you just embarrassed me. Like people think you don't like me. Like you're, we're not friends. For the whole world to see, you just kind of stood me up.

Like it's, I would be very in my emotions if I was Randy there. And it was a genuine like, Hey, dude, how are you? Yeah, but again, I think there's a middle of the game.

It was middle of the game. First at bat. Okay. Confirm first at bat. Okay. So it's him saying hi to his teammate. Why do I see say someone or see someone say it was in the fifth inning? It's okay.

It's not. It's not. It's not. It's not. It's not. time. I'm back on Team Randy because that's a different thing. Saying hi. Just what's up. And if you don't want to shake hands because pine tar, that's fine, but just tap his glove. Just not. There's like ways you can

avoid that. Even there's dickish ways that you can avoid that without the whole stadium and broadcast being like, whoa, what was that? Animosity? There's ways where you go, so up, dog. Oh, it's up, Randy. That's it. That's all you got to do. Yeah, I truly believe there was like Randy was pissed about it because he felt like he got showed up got mad said some things in four languages. Joe's was trying to say he's pap he's being sarcastic I'm like I don't know if he was dude that's it's the most elaborate sarcastic remark of all time would be like I don't understand the reason for it is one of the games only showmen he showed up in full cowboy suit he's taken fly balls before the game with the flag draped around I don't know if um that's him

dressing up anymore how often he wears full cowboy shirt it's been like like five years of him just wearing cowboy gear. I think it's just big games. I think that's why we see it. Like I don't think he does that every game. Maybe. I don't know. Oh, man.

This has been just... Drama. As bad as it is for Team USA, this is the most eyeballs that have been on a sport in a long freaking time are happening right now between the show Hey Homer clip getting 50 million views or the heck it was. And all this stuff right now, like everyone's covering this.

I haven't like I'm it's I got out here at 630 in the morning so I haven't like turned on the TV there's got to be every sports network is talking about Mark DeRosa right now assuming well yeah yeah and it's tough because he's like a guy who talks on sports networks what do you got on that like when he goes back to the movie network just forgotten I don't know if this is something I should say into a microphone but I texted the guys last night Like if this was any time before 2008, I think it genuinely ends kind of like his public appearances for a while. Before 2008?

Yeah, I think no one cares anymore. I think he's going to go back to MLB Network and no one's going to care. News cycles too fast. New cycles too fast. We're much more friendlier now. Like the Americana of it, of that. But like if this was like, you know, the Olympics of old or, or, you know, a big thing in this storyline.

Like, I don't, I think you have to kind of go in the shadows for a little bit. If they do get eliminated, only if they don't make it. Because it's, how do you outrun this? It's really bad. I know, and I know a lot of Americans don't care about WBC, so that also helps. But they put a front on like they do. like he recruits players for three years. Right.

And talks about how much he's recruiting players for three years. So I just, like if they don't make it, he can't manage them again. Yes. I think that's my take on this is, first of all, the internet, the internet never forgets. So this is going to be around forever. And it also, it also moves fast. So. But like any time anything happens, there's going to be hundreds of people being like,

remember what you did? Like after, after, after. After, what's the, what was the Red Sox manager? Grady Little. Oh. After he didn't take Pedro out, I mean, he was gone. I think the next report was he was on a boat in the middle of the ocean doing like a sea fishing. Or no, that was the other Toronto manager.

Grady Little, to be fair, at the age we saw Grady Little, I thought he was 114 years old. So I thought it would be over for him. I thought you, I thought you were. going to bring up Ron Renicki. He was dead. Ron Reneky. Today's episode is sponsored by Shady Ray. Shady rays are built for real sports fans.

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Yeah. He's really good at that. I think this will affect his involvement with team. I think it's. Whether that's fair or not, I don't know. I don't know who runs it. Like, I don't know who's in control of it. if they lose the business side of USA baseball and MLB World Baseball Classic is going to be real mad.

Fox. Like everyone is going to be like, oh my God, dude, you just cost the business. Miami, like a ton of money. And his name is Paul Seiler. He's the head of USA Baseball. Which shouldn't really matter. But just that is, that is a broader picture here. And then the baseball side, you'll find out.

like you'll find out if they they care about this or not because if they just ride with the Rosa after and like nah he's our guy he loves it it's a mistake we stick with him like okay so you you don't care Andrew McCutcheon will be the team USA head coach next WBC mark my words I what am I supposed to do if they don't advance I'm going to Miami to cover this team USA

in the semis and finals start learning Japanese pal I got to pick a new team I need a new hat Jimmy they find a way every year Buck Showwall knows every rule ever written. Gerardi, Buck. Yeah, I think for DeRosa, Trev, you mentioned, like, the internet part of it.

I think it's kind of, again, there's a generation that's still, like, I don't think Mark DeRosa lives online. That, I mean, the problem is for his life? Is this how he's going to be, like, remembered? If this stays like this? I don't think that happens anymore. That's kind of like...

Well, that's what I'm saying. So the other side of this, like, you were talking about the MLB network thing. Like, I think DeRosa comes on. He's a Jersey guy, Bergen Catholic. Shout out to Rob. No. No.

Rob just declined him. They're like, he comes on MLB network and he's like, I guess I'm not managing again, huh? Or he makes a couple jokes about people move on. Like, I think that part is true. But, yeah, for him, it's just a matter of like, I think, you know, when he's at the gas station or the coffee shop, like,

Are people talking about Mark DeRose's playing career? I don't believe that because people are much nicer in person than they are online. Like all this stupid things people say online, they'll never say to you to your face. What if you let down the country? He's a fine, look, I want, make sure, like if this is a clip that we include this, Mark Dross is a fine individual. That's a great job on Emily Network. He should not be, those duties should not be taken away from him because of this.

Okay, did he mess up? up, yes. Should he, like, manage Team USA again if they don't move on? Like, I don't, I don't think so. But, like, the other stuff, like, he's don't. We can't, like, we can't turn him into like this, you know, we can't just go anti-Marcta Rosa because of this. I don't think that will happen. I think in the past it would have.

Like, you know, Bucky Dent, Bill Buckner. Like, people couldn't run away from their, like, reputations in the past as easy as they can. because you can just like throw yourself out there. You can just be on MLB network saying stuff every day now. And like you're going to see him. I will say even if like people are saying, you know, the whole coaching staff, not just him like other people should be telling him this.

Yeah. Which I agree. Even if someone else told him this in confidence, like he has a rules committee guy and that guy botched it. Why are you going on MLB? Why are you saying we got guys dragging the day and laughing? Why are you saying, you know, Because they thought they advanced.

But even if you think that, I don't think it's the proper, like, managerial tone to say it. I think it sums up when he was like, yeah, I was joking with my buddies. And that's the vibe of kind of the job. Yeah, he's, he's acting like he's one of the boys again. But you're not one of the, I struggle with it too. I'm not on the team, bro. I wish, like, would I go with the twins broadcasting and the guys are going out to dinner and I don't get invited? I'm upset.

I'm like, dude, you're fucking not on the team. Leadership is lonely, Trev. I have to tell, I have to tell myself that I'm sure he's doing the same thing. He's around all these guys. It's like, I'm so down for what they did, like having beers in the clubhouse, except the fact that it was a celebration because they clinched when they did it. And they took it onto the bus and they took it back into the hotel room. That's not.

I honestly don't think any of that matters. I, but to say it and to say we got guys dragon today. It was. And then also, and because you were fake celebrating. It was a, it was like a, like, like, yeah. We're Team USA. We're, you know, yeah, I don't like it. Imagine, you know, when a football player celebrates before he crosses the end zone,

when I'll imagine that's a whole goddamn team having a clinch party when they haven't clinched. When we hire our animation guy, that would be a great animation. It's crazy. Team USA fumbling before the end zone. Yeah, man. It's like very, okay, now we can finally, however deep we are. we can finally start getting political with it. The whole thing's very American.

Like, yeah, we rolled out. Look at this team we put together, brother. Don't do that. Don't do that. And hey, Uncle Clayton's here. Look at this. Uncle Clayton's on the team. How funny is this?

Rules? I can't even read them. I'll tell you what. Here's the number one rule. We're the best team. We play by our own rules. It's very obnoxious American. Very ignorant.

Like the Japanese flight is cracking up right now. It's just crazy that like The Korea-Australia game Had like this is it's all it's been happening Here's my two This is kind of true I just thought about this How long are we into the episode?

We're good we're good The Dominican team They don't know the rules either They're just going on there bludgeoning teams to death Dude that's that's the difference That's the perk Someone on their team knows rules and that allows the players to play freely.

You don't. That is the other side. If you are kind of bludgeon teams, then you don't need to know the rules. And USA hasn't been doing that every game. They be Mexico five to three. Yeah, I know. Oh, man. Two-time USA team member, Trevor Ploof.

Pretty sure I've taken Dan Altavilla up top and he's throwing scoreless against the dream team. Now, if they do it. advance, is school getting texts like, hey, dude, we need you to save our bacon? We need a morale boost here? I've had it

that he was going to come back and pitch, but now, I mean, there's pretty definitive statements out there, although there was before, too. But now it's, you know, it's changed now. I think Boris is like, no. Yeah, I think so. I don't think it's the Tigers. I don't think he cares

what the Tigers say. Oh, I agree. It's 100% Boris. That's my opinion This is your future Yeah It's like our insurance policy On your arm Doesn't cover this

Yeah Yeah Maybe just kick the Mets off the team Clay looked great Clay looks great I love Clay Holmes We love Clay Holmes He did look really good

I don't know He was pitching against But he looked really good It's good McLean's I'm so in on his off speed stuff But it almost moves too much I need to move a little less

Welcome Welcome home. You think Team USA was just sitting around drinking beers watching Jack Doyle Smurfing USA video? That's what I like to. When did they find out? When did they find out? I mean, there's a player that found out on the bus. I guarantee you that.

Oh, yeah. What bus? After the game. I think they found out immediately when they got. Yeah, but some players are oblivious. And they like go on their phone and they're like, whoa, guys, did you know we might get eliminated? You think that during, you think that during, you think that during. During the game yesterday, the players had no idea.

You don't think DeRosa was, you think the way he managed meant he still didn't know? Yeah. Yes. Dude, he had Kershaw up with the bases loaded. He didn't pinch run. He wasn't up. He wasn't up. He was playing catch with no hat on.

Okay, he wasn't up. They didn't pinch run Goldsmith. That's a good point. They didn't pinch hit Goldschmidt. They didn't go to the fire. They started him. They didn't go to the fireman when. they needed to stop the bleeding and let the offense build up momentum, which is like in a game

seven, you don't go to YARB there. It's not a game seven. I understand that. But like in a situation, you don't go to YARB right away. You try to bring in Mason Miller there to go like 1.1, whatever he's allowed to go and, you know, change the momentum. How filthy is Mason Miller, though? Crazy. He's crazy. Oh my gosh, dude. Crazy that that's real. He's crazy. And Bednar is wild. I know he's a Yankee. He's wild to watch. He is I don't even know if his pitches are good

He lives on the edge bro He lives on the edge and it's like fucking bravado Like if that dude loses an ounce of confidence I think it trumbles But he pitches with like his dick out It's crazy I mean yeah The splitter and the fastball

Like they need to be located really well Dude I mean if anyone sits on the curve It's just a hanger But it fools guys You can't bizarre that's a very nice pitch Now that is a very nice pitch The fastball in the curve

I don't think are amazing But he just pitches with such gusto I do it I think it's the slight difference Between a two pitch closer And a three pitch closer That you're more in between If he was just two of those pitchers I don't think he'd be great

Oh now we're talking with the bets To get in their closer Oh God Luke Weaver Yeah who you're talking about Dias is gone Have they announced a closer? Have the Mets announced to their closures?

Devin Williams. I'm genuine question. Is he their closer? They paid him closer money. They paid him more than... Three years 57, right? I understand that. Carlos Mendoza confirmed in February

that Devin Williams will be... Is the primary option for high pressure situation? Until Tobias Myers takes over. What the fuck? It's an AI, so I'm trying to see where it's from. Okay, okay, okay. Don't trust the computers. I love you.

Primary option for high pressure situations. Let's see. That doesn't sound like that. As of now, Devin Williams is our closer. Okay, great. As of now. Yeah, that's tough. As of, he said that?

We've had discussions with others on the roster and assessed our options. Devin is accustomed to high pressure situations. And if you ask me who my closer is right now, it's him. Oh, wow. And I don't know. You know what? If I'm a manager. As wish you.

I mean, have a truth pill in me. That's exactly the, like, yeah, you're our closer until you stink. And then you're not there. You think I'm just going to keep running you out there? No. Yeah. But if I know anything about Devin, he wants to hear that he's the closer. Oh, I tell him now.

Oh, I tell him that for sure. You're my guy. And then I'm like, actually, buddy, until he stinks. You're going to go to low leverage here for a little bit. With that truth pill in you, huh? Yeah. What else would I say? All right, I got to go make more videos.

James. Hey. My pleasure. I am mad. Yeah. I didn't know I was going to be. It's just real embarrassing. It's kind of like when the Yankees lost to the Dodgers.

I accepted they were going to lose. I was like, let's just like, you know, have our dignity about us. And then they just fucking embarrass themselves to all ends. I'm like, oh, my God. Wait, I've got, I got one more for you. If they, so if they advance, they survive this. Yeah. Italy scores five.

Mm-hmm. or whatever. Does U.S. win the whole tournament? Is it like second life kind of Ohio State lost to mission again? No, I mean, got inspired. In 2017, the Yankees had the situation with Joe Girardi. He didn't challenge it. All his players in the field were telling him a challenge a foul tip caught

from Chad Green to Gary Sanchez. Didn't challenge it. Next pitch, J-Ram hits a grand slam. I believe there was J-Ram. Hit a grand slam off Chad Green. They lose game two of the ALDS. Gerardi. went into the press conference and said,

I messed up. I didn't listen to my guys. I didn't have their back. Yankees won the next three. And at that time, it was like, Gerardy's out. Girardi's like, this is his legacy. This is such a bad moment.

They get to the game seven of the ALCS. They lose to the Astros. He's pretty much washed. So I think if the U.S. wins and they get to the finals and they play a competitive finals, this gets washed and it's gone. even if they don't win the finals.

But if they just get to the finals and go there, no one will really remember. It'll be a funny anecdote. If they don't make it, it's huge. What has the USA shown to make us think that they're going to advance at all, even if they get in? Like they have played worse baseball than Japan, worse baseball than Dominican,

worse baseball than Venezuela, probably worse, I mean, worse baseball than team Italy. Like they haven't shown anything yet. Yeah, they haven't put together a full game because they don't care about the run differentials. And once they have a lead, they kind of just mess about. They also haven't taken their opponents that serious.

The first two games they learned maybe don't just throw a first pitch fastball because they still are big league talents and get a home runs. The first batters of the games just hit a home run. I think they've been down in three of the four games and plays. Paul Skeens. Because he saw the first two pitchers. And he's fucking smart and he cares. Yeah.

And, and dude, I didn't like Scoble's answer to that either. Like, I hate these athletes that just excuse getting, well, that's a pitcher thing, Jimmy.

I understand. Oh, he ambushed my fastball. Yeah. He's like, he basically gave the batter no credit. He was like, well,

his first pitch of the game. And, you know, he guess he was sitting on my fastball. So, you know, we'll give him that one. It's like,

what, dude? I, pitchers are so ambush. Can't believe you swung first pitch of the inning. Well, I threw a first pitch fastball right down the middle. I mean, Judge, she had a 3-0 pitch for his home run in his first game. Like, that was not a fastball, by the way.

Oh, the judge was trying to tell me. No, the judge was a bad breaking ball. Yeah. By a 17-year-old. No, no, no. It wasn't the 17-year-old. It was the first to bad of the game. 17-year-old was a second pitcher for it for Brazil.

He got the double play. The first pitcher was the guy. A lot of it happened since then. Who, like, didn't get one out, I think. Or he, maybe he ended up getting out. it was bad. Yeah, US hasn't taken, played a full game of, like, intentional baseball. Where a lot of other countries are because they feel like they have to have to

advance and US didn't feel like they needed to. They basically said pool play, whatever, who cares? But then they might not make it out of pool play, Jimmy. Crazy. Those Bobby Witt plays just down the drain. Skeen's looking awesome. What do you do with, Gunner Henderson.

Like he has to be in, right? Does it have to, is it Breggman, Bobby Gunner at second? I like Bryce Terang a lot, but like. So I think they played Gunner at third and Breggman at second one game. That I think that is your A-Lignment. You know, no offense to Bryce Terang. But I don't, I mean, what are you truly losing? Because like Bryce Durang is amazing defensively at second.

And like it's not like you're throwing away in at bat. But you'd think the best team would have Gunner in it because Gunner is. Gunners Bobby Witt just minus one point, basically. I mean, we're talking about two lefties and two varieties, right? So, I mean, you also can, if you get to the next round, pitchers can pitch longer and you might know more of like a guy you're going to get two at bats against, three at bats against. You could play matchups that way.

Although, if you've watched past World Baseball Classics, which the Rosa hasn't, besides the game he's managed, the best philosophy, even in the semi-found, is they bullpen game everything. Like, Japan bullpen game the whole thing against them. and they don't let you see you guys twice. So making your lineup for that doesn't really work. What about PCA?

Oh, wait. If it's a righty on the bomb. If the first one just happened to be foul by a tiny bit. Yeah. So foul the umpire himself was like, I don't know. I saw it, but I didn't see it. If it's a righty, I think he has to play. I mean, if it's a righty, yeah, I mean, Gunner, Terang, PCA.

I was actually clamoring for a pinch hit in this situation because that guy was just like throwing like balls and if you watch PCA like he's gonna chase things and he did in that at bat he was chasing that guy just grooved him one middle middle right there stoke for PCA I don't not trying to take away anything from but I thought good game for PDA what do you want so you want PCA I don't know I don't I don't really know you can't really pinch it bucksed in there

like righty right that doesn't make sense People have been all over him for that. Do you think you can pinch run, Buxton, for Goldie, if runs matter? Maybe. Yeah, you might want to do that. Oh, wow. Love you guys. All you, Jim.

Thanks, Jim. Go Team USA. Go team USA. All this WBC talk powered by Amazon, just like Amazon is ready to save the day when life throws you a curveball. Let's talk about the other side of this with Italy, baby, because the Italians did it. We mentioned it for a second. And they're the like they caused this whole thing. And Treve, I'll let you go a little bit because you, you noted it briefly, but like all of this is because Team Italy won and they beat them.

They beat them. Yes, because they're playing with, what's a Italian version of a chip? Oh. A breadstick on their shoulder. Okay. That's offensive. Why? I'm offended. I'm offended. Nobody's ever been offended about being called Italian. The canoli on their shoulder. Whatever it is.

Yeah, I like it. It was me. It was you. It was Chincatera. Chinketerre. Oh my gosh. What are we booking that. Part of the country.

They did it, man. Yeah. Largely because of the bottom of the lineup was rocking, but they hit homers. And I mentioned it earlier in the episode, but like it is, this is the, not the castaways, but these are the guys that weren't good enough for Team USA and just imagine getting the opportunity. I saw someone put out, I think it was our guys from baseball barbecue.

Cessbitist Barbecue. Sure. Saying like this is like the JV team beating the varsity team. And like I hate putting that on team Italy because I feel like that sounds offensive, not the breadstick. But that's, it is what it is. Like, hey, we're not good enough to be on your team,

but this is baseball. Well, maybe Jack Caglione is good enough to be on the team. I also said this. I wanted to bring this up to Jimmy. If you're Roman Anthony, you're looking over a team Italy having all this fun. Are you on Team USA next WBC? No. I think Italy just won the Roman Anthony sweepstakes.

Whoa. Whoa. How do you feel about that? there's something there. I mean, I do, I guess I don't have a firm answer on this. I think for what this event is, like guys wearing multiple uniforms,

I actually don't mind it. Like, Aeronado wearing multiple uniforms. Did A-Rod? Or did he want to? I forget what that was. But like, I don't know. I think it's kind of funny that you can. So like if Roman Anthony wants to do that

and he wants to bop with the boys, and I don't know, man, I think it's just, there's a little bit of beauty in baseball here. Like, Kyle Teal might actually be really good. Like, he was a big prospect, catcher. You know, Pasquintino and Harper right now is probably a discussion on a day-to-day basis. Vinnie P. hasn't even gotten going offensively for this team, dude. He's been picking everything.

I mean, that was the biggest thing also in that game is when you're down those runs, you're trying to chip away. like you need you need a little bit of a window you know you needed the door to crack open a little bit and the team uh italy's defense was unbelievable they made every freaking play dude there was they didn't they didn't let america in the game at all jacob marcy like catching that ball in like left center of hughston which is like the weirdest configuration of a wall maybe in the big leagues uh getting uh blocked by his left fielder and still somehow catches that ball that could have been a massive play. And they just, they did it, man. You're right. Lorenzen going out there, just

cool, calm, collected in vans, shoving it up. Team USA's, you know what. Crazy. Yeah, that top of the Italian lineup, their top five went 0 for 22, I think, quick math. I don't know. It's a weird one. It's a beautiful sport. It's a beautiful day. Thanks to our partners at Amazon, shop, Amazon save on the essentials and save the every day. Trev, we're going to do a little bit of housekeeping. I guess let's start off with the not fun news. Hunter Green, we got an update there out until July due to bonespurs. We knew there was something going on.

We didn't know exactly what. Some people, I know you and I, maybe it was just a hot day yesterday. Maybe it's literally heating up on the East Coast. you and I see in the comments on our Cy Young draft. Where's Brian Wu? Where's Hunter Green? Unfortunately, for Hunter Green, the Brian Wu fans might have something.

Like Brian Wu was amazing last year. Hunter Green, honestly, the concern was injury. And maybe that's why we didn't want to have that whole conversation because nobody wants to hear about that. But man, he's now, he's got a little bit of the bug. And I mean, out until July, man, like, it changes the red season out. look. Yeah, it does. I think it's

for Hunter Green personally, it's like best case scenario because the UCL, he said he had imaging on it and that's like strong and that's that's, that's T.J. And that's, we don't want that for him. I believe he's already had it once. Check me on that. Fact, check me on that. But this is something that he knew about. He knew he had the bone spurs and just was getting too uncomfortable for him to pitch. So yeah, he has to go get him taken out. Massive blow to the Reds. But also, I mean, this is where they have

depth. So I'll be it some of it is young guys who don't have a ton of innings under their belt. They do have still what I think is a very desirable pitching staff, especially if you believe in Chase Burns like some people do. Like I think he can be, I think he can be an ace, you know, with a little bit of, you know, pitching in the zone a little bit more. So I, as much it sucks for Reds fans for Hunter Green. I think, again, this is like the strength of their team, and they'll be okay. And I don't think that's a massive ramp up coming back to come back from that. So I think that's another good thing.

I don't think it's like, you know, when you do have PJ coming back for six months you're throwing again, it's just not good for you. I think this is going to be like we'll see Hunter Green back. If they're in a playoff race, I think he's going to be a massive part of it. So that's kind of like the. last half full version of it. Yeah, that was a nice little spin there at the end coach. Yeah, he had, uh, update from Rob, T.J in 2019. So we're a few moons removed from that, an early TJ guy. Um, and yeah, hey, that's, that's this, I guess if you're the Reds,

you've now made like one of your first milestone landmarks in the season. If we can be 500 by the time Hunter Green comes back, like what, what does that mean? And expanded wild card air and all that stuff. Um, just stinks. Just stinks. Just stinks for Hunter Green. And then I think our final note on a little bit of a more positive spin, Jesus Lizard, Jesus Lizardo, our breakout forecast brought to you by Seek. We keep tabs on players' expectations for the upcoming season. This guy probably had more of an argument than Hunter Green to be drafted in our

Sy Young draft with the season he put up last year. and now Trevor, five years, $135 million. Deal starts in 2027. He was said to be a free agent after the 26th season, some club option stuff and things like that. And hey, man, I guess this is a little off the cuff, but, you know, remembering this guy's prospect profile, remembering it kind of not working to now getting this contract.

shout out to him and shout out to Philly's fans who get another player that if you want to buy their jersey they're going to be hanging around for a little bit Yeah I mean they continue to do this I think it's it's him it's Christopher Sanchez Bryce Harper Aaron Nola are all signed through 2031 So yeah I mean you're you're continuing what is a very nice core you know one that's aging a little bit

But when Zach Wheeler set to depart I think he's retiring after next year And then you get and the Ranger Swarres is in back. It's nice to kind of like just like fill that gap with a guy like Luzardo had a really, really good year last year. I mean, you know, it's, it's not all encompassing, but it's nice to go to a savant page and get a quick snapshot of the percentiles. Like this guy, beautiful, blood red, Philly's red, excuse me, savant page filled up there. Five pitch guy, you know, can strike guys out. He's a lefty that average 96 and a half miles per hour last year. He's got that nice

sweeper, going to get a change up. The pitch ability is really there for him. I still think, I don't even think we've seen like his finest season yet, in my opinion. He's got, he's got this now. And this sometimes can work both ways, but I think for him this is good. I think pitchers really enjoy it more. He's got this like stability now. He's got this long term deal. I think that changes your mentality a little bit, man. And I think I think his best seasons are still ahead of him. But I love this deal for the Phillies because you just want to continue what you have in this core. This is this is they're going to get it done at some point. That's been my that has been my M.O on this team for quite some time. I hope I'm right about it. But he's obviously going to be

a big part of it. They do. Philly's traded a Marion Boyd, which Rob, I will get you, if you could bring up his baseball reference picture, too much lettuce for the bowl. And Starlin Caba, who's 19 years old and rookie ball for Lizardo. So, hey, maybe we're talking about Caba in a couple years. But, I mean, what a trade. Look at Amarion. Look it. I mean, that's a lot of.

That would affect my swing coach. That's like Mani. It looks like Mani Ramirez right there. Like when Mani would. It would. Manney's swing did it. When Manney was just doing whatever he wanted. Literally.

We don't talk about Mani Ramirez enough. Can we end the show with Mani Ramirez highlights? Use code talk in 2026 for 10% off your next set of tickets at Seatkeek. Do people even want Manor Ramirez? His son hit two home runs in this tournament. That doesn't mean anything, but absolutely means something because Jimmy marched in here. Angry. Who says this doesn't mean anything?

By the way, Kyle Schwabber's also locked up with Philly. Who says it doesn't mean anything? I don't know. I guess there was a narrative that it doesn't, and now I guess it kind of full-blown does. If you say this doesn't mean anything, you just haven't watched any of the games at all. Or like you're just like not, you just, I'll say it.

If you think this tournament doesn't mean anything, you don't know ball. You don't know ball. God, I just, I have such. such like a 2000s comedy movie scene. I guess I'm picturing Talladega Nights with Ricky Bobby when John Gerard comes over to beat him and just dominates him.

Like I'm picturing the Japanese team flying over and like Yamamoto's just doing yoga on the plane. Like they're all just like so class. And they're just laughing. They're just laughing at the Americans for how they've mishandled this turn. tournament. They had, I got to advance. Right.

Oh my God. Hey, I know, I think, you know, I'm horrified what our social media team is going to do. Maybe we, maybe we have a talk with them for this episode. I am terrified of this as well, coach. Let's, let's, let's talk, we'll talk to Taylor Jackson, who's amazing. Is she still on a cruise? Where are you at T. Jack? She's back.

She's back. I do think we've been, because we, I think we've been fair. And like we've said, like, I do. like Mark DeRosa on MLB Network. It's a nice guy. He went to, he went to Penn. He's an Ivy Ligger. This is tough. Let me in the book club, T-Jacks.

This is tough. All right, everyone. We had an whole episode prepared that was going to be this or that. Dalton made it put together an amazing sheet of which free agents could your team have wanted or not wanted. The drama. The absolute drama from the World Baseball Classic. Crazy thing is we haven't even gotten to the quarterfinals. And maybe if you want to watch a game tonight where people care,

Dominican Republic versus Venezuela, 8 p.m. Jake sucks. Yeah, it's going to be insane. Italy, Mexico at seven. How about, yeah, I mean, those two games, both those teams care. By the way, Canada, Cuba at three, don't overlook it. Canada's in. They punched their ticket, right?

Right? See, now you're out. I don't know the standings. I need to know the standings. I don't look at those. I'm in folks on Team USA, my squad. Aren't you Canadian, French Canadian?