Talkin' Baseball (MLB Podcast) - Where will Yamamoto Go? | 761

Episode Date: December 20, 2023

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Hello and welcome to talking baseball. It's December 20th. Christmas is coming. Yamamoto coming to a city near you. Maybe. Might wait until January 4th like a punk. Sometime this year, it'll be sitting near you. Let's talk about it.

Struck your ass out, Jay. Hello and welcome to talking baseball. Episode number 761, brought to you by Seatgeek. My name is Jimmy sitting here with Jake. Trev's got three shades of green on his body, and BBD looks nice, long-sleeve collar behind the dish. Looks like a Christmas shirt. Are you like prepping that?

Are you not celebrating Christmas? I don't do the Christmas thing. It is Christmas colors and that's valuable for this time of year. Got a meeting that I have two minutes I'm talking at after this. So it's a real outfit. Nice. Treb, how are you doing? Are these three shades of green?

Your hat. I thought this was the same, but it's not. Now that I'm really looking at it. Yeah, that's a great in between, though. It's like a bright green on your left arm, and that's kind of like a forest green on your head. Yeah, I got trouble when all the colors get mixed together. That's my one vision flaw.

I'm doing great, though. I'm excited to talk some ball. We don't have a lot to go on, so we're going to do some gossip boys, I think we're going to call this episode. And believe it or not, I sat next to a guy from Gossip Girl, at the football game on Sunday.

He's also in the boys. That's how I knew him. New gossip girl or old gossip? I think it was gossip girl. I knew him from the boys. He's the deep sea guy, which is like the most weirdest character on that show.

He like has sex with an octopus. But I think he's also in gossip girl. So that's perfect. Way to line up this episode. Jake, how are you doing? Spoiler. Now I've got to watch that and the shape of water to get through the holidays.

I'm doing well. James, Trev, Davis, December 20th, man. At end of year, nostalgia starts kicking in a little bit. Although, for Yankee fans, it's been in our rear view because it stunk. It felt like we were getting close to Yamamoto news this week, and now it feels like he's going to push it to the very end, which, I don't know, I guess that'll be an exciting way to start the new year, but it also feels like it's putting Snell, Montgomery on ice. And there hasn't been too much juice around the hitters.

Cody, I think the most recent quote from Boris is he's ready to take it till the end of winter or something like that. It was very Game of Thrones, but that's how I read everything right now. And I don't know, like I kind of got on the Matt Chapman hype train at one point, and now it's all quiet on the Western Front, which James is watching tonight. I never watched that movie But I read the book And it was man Let me tell you

Similar I've been watching a World War II documentary Oh bad times for a lot of people Real rough Like you're watching one right now Yeah well not right now But I have been watching one Good point

Netflix put out a new one And it's kind of like all over Encompassing And covers it not from America's point of view Which I've watched too many That are like that so it has been interesting.

But they go, sometimes war goes to war for me. Like, I don't want to hear about that. Oh, just tell me like the military strategy and like who won and lost. Don't tell me about like the genocide and like that just the murder for murder's sake and the civilian. Like, that's a bad time. You need to know. I don't want to. I don't want to know that either.

I logically understand that. Do them to repeat it. I'm not going to kill anyone. I'm not going to repeat that. Anyway, we're all quiet on Eastern Front and Western Front. And not in the Central. Hmm. That's true.

They're winning. Cutch? Back to Pittsburgh. Preb's guy who's talking to him. I just congratulated him. I mean, another year in the show. I don't know how many that is for him. Beeps, can we look that up?

It's got to be like... 16. 12? I have no idea. And Cutch, what? You're like 58, 59, right? Did that come up via text or no? It didn't come up.

He is a short king, though. Tall presence. Tall presence. Yeah. He debuted in 2009. This will be his 16th season. Oh. That's me.

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Treve, you raise your big oven mid of a hand. Before we get into the gossip, one of our favorite games we play here on Talking Baseball is, guess how much he's earned? Ooh. Andrew McCutcheon. So he's gotten, what do you get? Like an extension and then a solid deal?

He got an, I think an extension, solid veteran. I know the answer. 150. I was going to say 152. Fuck. With next year baked in. Did you have that? We'll call that 5 mil.

Yeah. Yes. So an extra 5 mil on this number. We're sitting at 133 million. Nice job, Jake. 375,000. What's in that basement, Trev? You know him.

Well, that's a half point, Jake. One to half to zero. He's like not a weird guy. He's like a regular... I hate that. Dude. I think what he has in his basement is like ugly furniture.

Because you know his main living room is probably like real. It looks like a real buttoned up with like the look and stuff. I bet his main... floor looked great, but it's not that comfy. So downstairs he's got one of those big-ass couches that he's not allowed to have upstairs. And like, you know, that's the hangout. I feel like something dancing related.

I feel like he dances a lot. Yeah, I could see. I was going like record player or maybe like he's got the disco wig like lined up down there or something. Or I just had him kind of going like mainstream. Like he's just like, oh, I got Babe Ruth ball. That's pretty sick, right?

Like, yeah, that is sick, dude. Maybe some cigars. Stogis. That's so sick, dude. Good man. That is sick. You want to talk about Yamamoto? Yamamoto, huh?

Yeah. Trev, where are you at with Yami? Me, Jim and Beaves, have been talking a lot because he's been one of the Yankees. I'd say the Yankees 1B target after Juan Soto. Hall of Fame are now on the Yankees. So where are you at with Yamato?

It seems like the price tag's flying up. No, price tags back down. We were artificial. inflating him according to Jeff Pass. I don't know, man. I go back and forth because if I think about a 25-year-old potential ace being a free agent in the big leagues, you know, I can see massive numbers next to his name, especially with the teams that are reportedly in on him, all the big market teams, pretty much all the teams are in on him that can

quote unquote afford it. But then, you know, look, he hasn't pitched in Major League Baseball. and it's, I guess it is kind of a slight at the other leagues. I don't mean it to be that way. It's very good baseball played in Japan. Very good baseball played in Korea, but there's a reason guys want to come over here. It's the best league.

Major League Baseball's the best league. It's Numero uno. So to think about giving a guy, you know, 300, maybe even above million before pitching in the big leagues, that's interesting to me. But, you know, if you watch him pitch, like, you know, it's nasty. and he is 25 years old

and he has had crazy success in Japan. I think that you can kind of we've said this before on the show. You can kind of take pitchers and put him in leagues and the stuff like translates way better with pitchers than hitters.

I don't really, I guess there's a lot of reasons why that is, but I think and I know we have right here on the bottom of our sheet like a pre-agent predictor like what he wants and what he's going to do, if I was Yamamoto, I would want to reenter the free agent market again. If I want to play majorly baseball for the rest of my career and play, let's say,

say plates on 35, like 10 years in the show, I'd want to either a, you know, sign for as much guaranteed money as possible with an opt-out after like, you know, three, four years. Or I just want to go high AAV and just do like five years. so I can reenter the market. If he does that, he'll reenter the market at 30. And who knows what prices will be at that point? You know, like, O'Tani probably,

gosh, I feel like I'm just bringing down fan bases and places right now. Otani probably would have switched from the Angels if he could have. Wow. Do you know what I mean? Like, so you don't want to tie yourself down, maybe, to a franchise for that long

if you don't have to. He has all the leverage right now. He can kind of do whatever contract he wants to do. So I'd assume there's going to be an opt-out, or he just goes less years, higher AAV. I think he's going to want to hit free agency twice. That's a smart thing to do. We were talking about this, Trev.

Does he really have all the leverage with the deadline attached to him? Like if he is asking for more, and a serious question, I don't know how it works. If he's asking for more and more, right? And all the teams are just like, no, that's our limit. And then January 5th comes around and the posting ends. And then he would be, he just, all offers would be off the table, I guess. Like, and then he would not be an MLB, right?

So unlike another, other free agents, do you think that comes into play at all? I guess what I'm trying to get to, because if it does, it would be even more reason to never have like a trade window what the players always say like hey if there's a trade window we're going to get worse offers it depends if there's collusion

going on or not that's kind of the thing like if teams are talking and setting hey we're only going to go 250 on Yamamoto we expect you to do the same then yeah the window completely takes his leverage away but if there is no actual collusion and it is a true free agency I think the sense of urgency

works in his favor especially with the teams that are competing for him. I think, I mean, I would not personally want a free agency window. I know people get excited about NBA and how they do that because you're seeing a signing a minute, but I don't, I personally would not want that for baseball. I think there's enough big teams that still are looking for a signature move and believe in this guy that I don't think the window running out is a thing.

I think he has the leverage. I think he's already got offers that, you know, I know there was the, he hasn't gotten official offers yet, but we kind of do this every free agency. Like, yeah, in his Zoom interviews, the original Zoom, before he came over to the state, they made each team give like a preliminary minimum almost. Like you need to be this tall to go on this ride.

in there. That Yamoto, I mean, the teams were talking about Yankees and Mets to start. San Francisco Giants, Dodgers. Like, you got the two biggest coastal hitters. Never mind the Phillies, socks trying to put themselves in the mix. Toronto, like, let's see when Yamato's flight heads up there. The Cubbies, they're still looking for the impact move they're looking for that. I think our dude is positioned like better than Bogarts last year.

Like remember when Bogarts was the next guy in line and the teams were ready and here comes San Diego from the top rope. I think Yamamoto's positioned beautifully and that might even be why he's dragging it out because I think we, I think some desperate teams are starting to form. You think they're going to go as high? Like we were putting out 300 offers they've been out there because that was the reports. And then you were like trying to get everyone all buttered up. I think this is going to get to 400 million.

got my brain a little bit. I started thinking that way. Well, shoot, if teams have made these $300 million offers, then yeah, they could get to $350. But then, you know, Mr. Grumpy, the Grinch, Jeff Passon comes down and says, that's not true, that's not true. But do you think, I mean, I fully expect his final dollar amount,

if he so chooses to go the long route to be, you know, right around $300 million, which is crazy. What does FanGrafs project? They don't have internationals. It's got, yeah, because he's technically not

like an MLB free agent. So I think they don't, they didn't bother. If you think if it's 300, do you think it's 10 years? I think it might be something like that. Yeah. 10 years, 300, maybe some deferred money. And if he does 10 years, I guarantee there's going to be an opt out

at some point in that contract. Oh, I think there's going to be opt out. I think it's going to be a fun contract of opt-outs and opt-ins. I think it's everything, right? Like, I mean, to be as young and talented a pitcher as he is, like to have the opt-outs, I mean, like you're saying, with where the money's going to end up, and if you have that right year heading into free agency,

which is what it's kind of all about, yeah, the dude's going to be lined up to clean up again and go do whatever he wants and be more familiar with the states and get a bigger contract. And hit the deferred money button too. Like, why not? And I think the biggest thing is what does he want? Does he want a headline like Otanis?

Because this is where the deferred money might start throwing everybody off. Because if he's into that a little bit, I think that's where, like, the actual 400 would come into play, kind of like Shohei 700. Like Shoah's 700, like we've talked about, and we clarified with our podcast, you know, is closer to, you know, 46, 465 million over the 10 years with the deferred money, and, you know, we clean that all up for you.

That if Yamamoto, if he wants the headline and his agency wants the headline, then I think you see 10 years in deferred money, and that's how you get to the quote unquote 400 million. That's my clickbait tweet if I wanted that, don't really want it. But, yeah, for him, I think you see eight, nine, 10 years minimum, And the opt-out has to become the most important thing because if he does that right, you know,

we're going to be talking about his basement one day with over $500 million probably. I have a contract. I'm going to offer you guys. Oh. Am I Yamamoto? Sure. I'm Nesbolello, by the way.

No, no, no. You guys are yourselves. Okay. Let's not get crazy. Okay. I try to draft up a very simple version of, an opt-out situation. So let's say

now you can play on the margins a little back and forth, but in simple terms, I think there's definitely an opt-out after the first four years. He's 29. His agent wants him to opt out before he hits 30. He wants to go to free agency again and you're going to get his,

like I think that next year he'd be 29 for half the season. And that's a big, stupid number that matters in free agency. So I think, you're going to want an opt out at four years. So I will give you $35 million a year for the first four years. Then you can opt out or you can opt in for another four years at $35 million.

If you opt in to the second four years at $35 million, at the end of the eight years, there will be another opt-in two years, $10 million or a buyout, two years, $10 million, which gets you the next, to get you to $300 total. if you spend 10 years with the team. So you're offering me an eight year, $280 million deal. Yep. With an opt. With an option.

With an option. With an option after the first four years, I am 29. The market's gone up. Prices are up. I'm going to go take chances somewhere else. Or you opt in. You get the same exact thing. Four years, 35 million again.

You take that? I just shook your hand. I take the deal. I shook your hand. I take the deal. No brainer. And it can get a little more complicated like that. You can front load the money, backload the money.

There's some incentives in there. I can push the number maybe to $290. Yeah, I think incentives can get it to $300 instead of. Okay, yeah, incentives for $300. Let's get, let's get more opt-outs driven by like Sy Young voting. Oh, give me all of this. Talk to Sai-Young. If he win Sy Young, he's getting a million bucks.

That's. I shook your hand. I took the deal. I'm in on that. I wasn't to offer a rebuttal. Now you're in the, you have to choose. Jake, what do you think about that? So you are the team and now Trev wants to be the team.

Well, because I want to go a different way with it, but yeah, I want to hear your thoughts first, Jay. It's a lot of money. It's a lot of money. I think teams are offering more. I genuinely do. I think we measure pitching so differently now. Like, I get it.

He hasn't pitched over here, but we measure spin rate and we measure all of that. And he has elite, elite stuff at an age that aces don't hit the market, that a team's going to believe in it, I think, more than those numbers. So I would pass and, you know, get another, get Uncle Steve on the line again and see where we can drive that number up. The opt out after the fourth year doesn't, that's a, that's a perk. I think that's going to become a requirement.

I agree. So that, that's where that doesn't necessarily, move the needle for me. I'm going to offer you guys a contract right now. I'm going to say, screw the opt-out. Opt-outs are done. Because I'm going to offer you a four-year deal.

Straight up. No deferred money. Nothing else. Can't wait for this number. It's going to be four years, $168 million. Straight up. You're a free agent again at 29.

You come play with us four years. It's all we want. That's my window. We get you in your prime. That's 42 a year. Four years, 42 a year. I think agents don't like that.

But from the team front, he wanted to do that. You'd rather, that's the Dodger away until Otani. I'd rather pay you a ton for two to four years than long. Now, the caveat would be, yeah, got injured or wasn't, didn't perform up to standards.

You don't have the extra four years on that contract that you offered. So I'm down about 100 M's, but I get more up front. My contract's scary as shit. What if he's terrible and weak? And he just says give me the rest of that money for the next four years. But that's where if those, if you're now two teams presenting those, Trev, your offer doesn't do anything for me because it's the difference of $7 million a year for four years

while having the insurance policy built in of another four years and some deferred money. I can already have that opt-out with a really, like the best insurance policy you could possibly have. I don't think he'll get $35 million a year with the option. out. I think it'll be less. I was originally trying to draw. I was trying to draw that up

with it as less. Just looking at what starting pitchers make right now. It's kind of crazy. I'm a top five starting pitcher per year. Right away. No, but there isn't that many because I think C. Rose and I did this. Rodon got 27. Old. So the top starting pitchers are like

Verlander, Scherzer, Cole, and then everyone else isn't as high as you think. Yeah. The Grom Corbin. Oh, Patrick Corbin is, yeah, he's like fourth. Exactly. You look at Rodon's contractor. It was six years for 162 with a signing bonus.

And Montgomery, Jordan Montgomery's, there was just rumored or said that he's trying to get that. Like, that's his comp. So there's always a, there's always a deal that agents are looking to use as a comp and build off of. I wanted to give him highest AAV. So I thought 42 was it, but it might not be. Otani's that. Well, no, Otani's out. Sherser's normal players.

Something. 43-3. 33-3 repeating. Okay, so I gave him 44 mil for four years. So $156 million for four years. You just brought the offer down. 44, 176. 176.

44 times four. Tough math for me right there. I did 16 and not 24 my bad Yeah I don't know See that depends what he wants again I think I think what we're We're getting towards is what does he want Does he want the biggest flashiest number

Him is agent Because I do think with the deferred money And let's see if it becomes a loophole or not In this current CBA I think he could flash Like a 10 12 year 400 million Something like that with deferred money and however they want to cook the books.

If he thinks he's the dude, which he probably thinks he is, and he wants to be the highest paid starting pitcher and have a good chance to hit free agency again, I think he can take that route, but it's going to come with a lot less insurance money on the back end. So I think it's where him and his agent want to land on that. And I don't know, the kind of money we're talking about, I think one of those teams would offer a nice enough opt-out

that you could have your insurance policy. and hope to hit our agency again. I hope some team offers them what you're offering them, Trev. Try it. Because if you trust yourself to be good and not get hurt, well, not get hurt, but if you trust yourself to be good and get that second deal, the pressure is so much less than taking a 10-year deal

and also choosing the wrong team, the wrong city, and being somewhere where you don't want to be because, like, you don't know. that place. Don't know. You know what I mean? Like that's a pretty big, important thing. If you're going to start a 10 year of your life in a city,

you're going to want to opt out if you don't like that place. Kodai Senga. Is that the best free agent pitcher deal ever? Yes. Like, because he was, I believe, 29 when he came over. It's a five-year-75 with a team option attached to it. And this guy came over and was good. Yeah.

Guys, he threw to a 298 last year, made 29 starts. Yep. And we're talking 575 with a fucking team option for this guy. And now all the sudden, hold on. He's part of the reason. He's part of it. Now all of a sudden we're talking. He's Yamamoto's best agent. That's insane.

So the Mets should go out and splurge on Yamamoto because then you just average the two contracts out and you're playing with house money. Boy math. You got this. deal of a freaking deal? Oh my. I didn't know. I knew that it wasn't a massive contract, but you're talking five years.

This guy's making $15 million a year and giving you a $2.9 with freaking 29 starts. Like he does have an opt-ed after year three, but the point fully stands. And I think that's the whole point. I think the scouts, like Yamamoto, more than they like Sanga. Sanga.

Younger. Sanga is now 30 years old and finished 7th in the Sai Young. So basically, I think teams are telling themselves for the next five years, you're getting a guy that's better than Sanga, which if Sanga hit free... Well, we don't know, bro. We don't know, but that's what they're telling themselves with all the numbers and data, and we know that's what they go off of.

All the numbers and data. And I think both of those contracts Trev drafted up earlier, which is like the hyper inflated salary on four years. And I'm curious how much this number plays in, but those would both beat like Tanaka's total number. What was Kodas saying his contract? Five years 75 with a team option in 2008. And then Bieber said there's an opt out after year.

I think he has an opt out earlier. But you're still getting three out of them, I believe. Yeah. I mean, I know that's a bad contract. So say it was, five for 100 make it a little better that still puts

that still puts Yamamoto at like 10 years 200 mil Tsango was year 30 was age 30 and year 1 so if you're just saying you're going to get you're doubling it because he's 25 and the other dude was

29 so you're going to get those extra years you're going to pay for it and maybe there's a premium on those years because he's younger so then it's more than doubling so it's if I was to be generous, go, go five for 100. Maybe it's like 10 for 250. So we're getting like, I want to see where it lands. I am hoping pass and correct because the numbers,

what Jake's thinking, to me, it doesn't compute. I think it's too much pressure on the dude. I think he's going to be hated. I want to stay on the Codi deal. Lance Lynn, you know, friend of the pod, we love Lance Lynn. Has a track record people. Track record lately, not very good. Last year he pitched to a 573.

He was worth him. Negative 0.8 war. Okay? He did make 32 starts, though. He just got paid $11 million. And you get, and Kodi Sanga pitched to a 298, 29 starts, he was making 15.

That's freaking crazy, man. What a steal. Wild. Good job. Oh, Sanga's opt-out is if he's thrown 400 innings pitched from 23 to 25. he's got 166 last year

yeah so how many 400 400 gotta pitch those he'll get there as long as he stays somewhat healthy right he'll get there so then so if he doesn't reach that oh man you think they're gonna pull some fast one oh 399 sorry sorry that that team option has already gone up a little bit in value looks like he gets another million on that year

with any with any top five Sy Young finish What do you think is a reasonable contract? Like crazy good money but doesn't put like the weight of the world on his back?

Oh okay I like this What's the What's the contract That we're like Damn or jealous almost Like you're saying That's good

Like 10 for 250 You kind of talked yourself into that 10 I think is nuts I think 10 signs him up to be hated by the fan base. Opens that door. Okay. Yeah.

And like just not like just kind of like if I mean there's no wiggle room. You better win a Cy Young and you better like help your team win the World Series or be amazing. Those last four years you're done. And it's probably like. And it's probably like eight for 200, but I think we've flown past that. Yeah, I don't know. This is all just such a guessing game that we don't know what he wants. I think, I mean.

I get what you're saying about the opt out and have the insurance of if you do stink, you still have these like five years on the back end where you're going to get paid no matter what. I get that. If I was a team, I'd offered the more AAB with less years and say, look, man, is what we got. Come help us win right now. We can always talk about an extension, but we want to prove that we're the right place for you. That's how I would phrase it. Prove to you.

Yeah, I mean, like, I don't want you after that. I just want you for four years. I think I'm about moving to Japan and having to choose of a city in Japan to live in for 10 years I just go to the ones

I already know of like if I haven't heard of you I'd be like you might be awesome but I got I got 30 days to choose the next 10 years of my life so I think that's why

you know the big markets have such an opportunity do you think he's got like a book of just like American cities and he's just like all right, fuck. What's going on here in St. Louis? Like, ribs?

Like, what? Like, he, you know, his place in America is so different. He's got to be able to... He has to learn that. Like, that's not something he just inherently knows. He's not from here. Like, you just said, you don't know anywhere in Japan necessarily, but you'd have to sit down and learn regionally what's going on there.

Like, it's got to be a crazy process for him. Yeah. That's like his agent's job, right? Or the agency's job. Well, he has to know, too. Like, New York. He's like, I know New York. Is he married?

Somebody to bounce off. If he's married, then that's a lot of the decision making goes from wife and family. I want Cincinnati. No, you don't, Yoshi. I didn't like it. And that's not me saying that. That's his wife. Right.

Oh, I like Cincinnati. I've never been, so I can't pass judgment on it. Well, I think that's supposed to be part of the 45-day window, too, is you can visit these cities. Like, he visited New York. Didn't visit Boston. That's odd. Because Boston's a cool city. It is.

Everyone should go visit Boston. I like Boston. Yeah. I mean, what do you do? You go to the trough and you're just like, no. You don't. There are beaches there. I lived on a beautiful beach when I played there.

That's very nice and it's quiet. It just depends on what he wants. I don't think this guy wants quiet. It looks like he's not married, and it says he's not dating anyone. So does that change your opinion? I mean, look. L.A.

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No doubt. Scaw show. You didn't have any no doubt concerts? I saw no doubt perform. There you go. I mean, Gwen Stefani is. Unbelievable. There's no way you don't have a crush on her.

Unbelievable. Is that ska? Well, they started out kind of scotch. They got horns, right? I want to say, who's hotter? I mean, Gavin Rosdale or Gwen Stefani? Who's Gavin Rosdale?

That's ridiculous. Real big fish, less than Jake. Yeah, they might have went too mainstream. They list sublime, so I don't know. Sublime Skah. You know, Saris does not like sublime. Told me that.

Let me ask you this. Gavin Rosdale, lead singer of Bush. I went to a... I saw them perform. I was with Olivia. And another guy and his girl. The first time I ever felt insecure in my relationship was the way that I saw Olivia looking at Gavin Rosdale on stage.

Really? Yeah, he was hot. I mean, I knew it, too. It wasn't like her fault. She couldn't help it. He was just really hot on stage. Maybe I'm not seeing the right pictures. He kind of looks like Loki's older brother,

which I guess that'd be good family lineage. Yeah, you're seeing the wrong pictures. And I think I'm saying the right guy. That's his name, right? Okay, yeah, I'm seeing him younger now and he's... I'm going to Googling Gavin Rosdale Young's sexy. Yeah. Oh.

Oh, yeah. You can't go to... Right now it's not good right now. Sorry, yeah. Yeah, no, it's cool, it's cool, it's cool, it's cool. Young Gavin Rosdale pretty hot. Currently kind of looks like bad guy in a movie. I don't know if this is on the topic sheets,

but did you hear our guy Paul Seawald ripping the Las Vegas A's? And I think Bryce Harper and Gallo, I read in comments that they had said the same thing. They're all from Las Vegas. What was Seawald's comments? I didn't see any of this. I believe it was on.

foul territory, so I want to give them credit. Yesterday. He basically said, no one in Vegas wants the fucking ace. Like, give us a new, I think the sentiment in Vegas is give us a new team like the Vegas Knights, but don't bring the A's here. He's like, no one's going to support this. And I think the Raiders are having trouble as well. Interesting.

Whereas the Golden Knights, and granted, they were really good in their first year, have like a pretty nice fan base. I think that's the biggest thing is winning, no matter what. Yeah. I mean, yeah, why not rebrand? The Raiders, I don't think, can do that. I know the A's have a long lineage of being the A's. I mean, that's a very classic name as well,

but it's tarnished right now. Like, you could rebrand very easily in Vegas. I think that would help a lot. I don't think the Raiders could ever rebrand because that's just. And the Raiders had moved already, so they kind of like done that. But, I don't know. So what did Harper and Gallo say?

I don't want to speak out of turn because it was like the comments that, like it was a comment on Reddit thread that said like Harper and maybe not Gallo, maybe Bryant because they are both from Vegas had like shared that sentiment recently as well. But I don't know. Both those Harper like live streams. So it could have just been like on his stream. Passing. I'll Google and see.

Oh, wait. Bryce Harper pans. Pans A's relocation says Las Vegas should get an expansion team. So yeah, same thought. Okay. Don't, I don't hate that logic. Don't ruin this team and then send them to us. Basically like don't burn down a roster and then send it to Vegas.

I understand that. Yeah, if it was a different ownership, I think maybe that would be a little bit different. You know what you're getting with the A's. Maybe it'll be something more because of new. market but I think I don't I'd rebrand. Yeah. Better work. It's not going to work.

Where we're going next? Belly? Belly gossip? Not a lot there. It's not a lot going on right now people in the baseball world. A lot of people are waiting for Yamamoto. We have Christmas time coming up. But after Christmas time, it's got to go.

Once you get to the second half of January, it's kind of becomes bummerville. like Snell, Monty, there's still some game-changing players and big money to move that we're just like, is Yamamoto really holding all of them up? Yes, I think so. And the trade market is pitching heavy too.

I know, so it's got to start moving. I mean, you probably take Christmas break. I'm hoping. I'm saying if we go like two weeks from now, it gets more to like this stinks and the loudness of MLB offseason becomes how nothing happens more than like all this is happening. I think there's a, people are,

there's a threat of that. And I think it, I don't want to beat a shots fired at the fellas, but I think it has to do with the players involved. I think, okay, Otani, one of one, we've done all that. It happened. He went to the Dodgers. We're shot. Yamamoto, we just did all that.

And we still don't know. I mean, we're, we just put a range out there. of 200 to 400 million. Let's see what happens with him. He's the second... They like him more than they like Blake Snell who just won the NL.

Sy Young. Like the teams has a consensus. The 25-year-old who hasn't pitched over here. So I'm hoping that says a lot more about Yamamoto than it does Snell. I'm hoping Yamamoto's next and everyone's right about him

and that's why we're doing this whole song and dance. Snell has his question marks. I mean, it's mostly like innings pitched and a little bit his pitching style, but Snell has a couple question marks. Belly's question marks aren't from last year. They're from previous seasons. And then, you know, we're starting to get into Matt Chapman, who I've talked myself into as a guy, I think, with the right organization

because you can pen in the defense. And if you can tap into some of his hard hit rates and stuff with the right hitting coach and the right org, San Francisco Giants. Like, I could see that guy outplaying his contract big time potentially. But he's got question marks because I think for the last five months, he had like a 200 batting average. So I think that's where you're seeing this big song and dance for the top couple guys. And there's a chance.

I don't know if it's going to drag out until spring training, but we might even see teams pivot. Like, I think Snell and Monty teams are going to pop up. Everyone needs pitching. but I think it's going to be like the next move might be trademarked and then back to free agents, which now we're sneaking up towards end of January spring training, which I don't know, we had that the Harper Machado year,

but that was what, 2018? Yeah, I was in the middle of collusion. This is actually pretty crazy. It just shows you why when guys get to a point where they do have leverage, they want to maximize their earning potential, right? Blake Snell has now pitched roughly 1,000 innings in the big leagues. He's 31 year.

He just turned 31, right? So we're basically saying if we gave Yamamoto a six-year deal, okay, brought him to 31. Would you be happy in those six years if he gave you two Scy Young's, a thousand innings pitched to a three-two? you'd be like, yeah, I'll sign up for that in a heartbeat. Blake Snell's career earnings aren't even going to sniff what Yamamoto is going to make because of the way baseball is set up.

So when people, I mean, that's kind of the whole thing right here. It's like you don't have, you don't get to choose very often. You don't get this leverage, and that's why people hold out for the money. But that's very eye-opening to me to think about it that way. Like in the last six years, Blake Snells won two Tsai Youngs, pitched to a 3-2,000 innings pitched, 191 games started you would

if you were guaranteed those numbers how much would you give Yamamoto two Sy Yangs to a 3-2 over six years you'd give him it's a blank check almost right you'd like okay whatever the fuck you want especially with his marketability kind of what he's getting all the pitchers remaining

are very interesting like Monty, Snell and Yamamoto all are like I think you could have the 10 teams that need starting pitching, all submit what they, what they think that player is worth

and they can put towards. And you might have like, you know, unless collusion is happening. And you might have a wildly different. Just prices and ranges and opt-ins and opt-outs and incentives because I can see a team saying, let's go get Snell,

two-time side young winner, like top-of-line guy. And I can see another team being like, we don't like the walks. We don't like this. We have a lot of lefties in the rotation. And like, you know, still offering a very good deal, but not being like, we're going to win this battle.

That's kind of it with Snell and Monty. I don't see either of them being a guy that the teams are saying, we're going to win this. Where Yamamoto right now seems like a pissing contest between Hal and Stevie, at least presented that way. And Cole was like that, you know, Ace of Ace. O'Tani was like that. Like, we're going to win.

We're not going to lose this guy. I don't know if there's teams viewing Snell, Monty, in that way. Yeah, I guess you're right. Another hilarious baseball reference thing from his page, two-time Salyung winner, two-time ERA title, one-time All-Star.

That's why we created the John Boy Media, all-Johnboy. What do we call it? I know it kills baseball. purists and stuff because we're all about the history but all star doesn't mean shit no the royals prove that no i'm obviously very bitter about that and they started voting everybody in oh my goodness i mean because it just is half the year like the way people act like he was an all star in 2004 what he could have fucking died in august second half yeah he had a good half

had a good half first half who didn't make all right so literally the first half all star bad Blake's Blake's now could sign a Fortnite contract too so you never know which way he's leaning he might just quit baseball which city's got best internet

most most most viewed YouTube video that is a thing isn't it Grand Theft Auto yeah that's a thing I read somewhere

that all the pro esports guys are moving to like Texas or somewhere that has the best internet yeah and that is to me it's hilarious

Snell to the Rangers Snowed of the Rangers We've cracked the code That's a true thing James So Snell the Rangers I don't think that's going to happen I don't think so

And then trades cease Beaver is Still likely to get traded But he hasn't been in talks at all really Burns Burns is interesting That's no way Yeah, because the Dodgers made their move.

So like... Dodgers identified which one they wanted. Whoever signs Yamamoto, if they need to make another move after that, they'll just do it. Because they're not done. But then the other teams that didn't sign Yamamoto, now they go into like the bidding wars

with the next free agent who's going to drag it out. So as soon as Yamamoto goes, I think you're going to get one of the pitchers that has, you know, a one or two year deal coming. and dorm signed. Our next run on one year, guys. Swooped up. Yeah.

Or a trade. Or a trade happens. There's a lot of great names out there that are being dangled in trade rumors, dude. What do you like? Yeah, I mean, Framber is being named as a guy that the Houston Astros could potentially trade. Is that like a thing? Really?

I haven't seen that. But I'm not everywhere all at once. I'm not all becoming. Kenny just had a whole thing about the, if Houston's ever going to be open to that now would be the time to be open to doing that and they've, there's been you know, you listen on everybody you've got

on your roster. That's the GM's job and that that level has happened at least. I don't listen to everyone, no. I do not listen for everybody. Framber is a guy that I just don't trade. Sorry. I can't like you can't do that to your culture and your clubhouse.

And maybe, maybe, I don't know. I don't know. That's crazy to me to think about. that. You're in this beautiful competitive window. And you've got this guy that's just homegrown that has got massive nuts. Can pitch in any game possible. Small glove, huge nuts. He's on my team till he's not. That's what you said the first time you met me. I've never seen your nuts. I haven't in a long time. It could be huge now. Yeah, they could have changed. Have they, Jake? They're pretty similar.

To when they were before? Yeah. Okay. I haven't noticed. I mean, I guess with age, there's more of a, they continue to go, right? Yeah. What would noodle think? I try to keep them away from him.

Because he's a curious dog. Yeah. Okay. He's got a hammer. Ooh. That's true. Your dog. A theoretical question.

I'm going to throw out there and, you know, anybody that has a team can comment on this one. I'm going to give it to you guys as Yankee fans, obviously. We're talking Yanks basically here. Would you rather have the Yankees signed Jordan Montgomery to a five year

deal worth, I don't know, let's just call it $150 million. Okay? Okay. Let's go less because I want to make it more enticing. Let's go five years at 27 mil. So now we're talking

135 mil. Okay. Okay? Yep. Or you trade for Corbyn Burns and Dillen cease but you only have Corbyn's for one year and you're not going to re-sign him

and you have Dylan Cs for two years and you had to give up some of your prospects. It gets a little tricky because who are we giving up? Let's just say if you're top five prospects you'll give up two of them. Oh, I don't, you made this question very easy.

It's the second one. I take the two pitchers that are better than the one pitcher. You only have them for that little bit of time. Do it again in three years. I agree. I'm looking at this trademarker right now and I'm salivating. Like, let's go get some of these guys. Like, we can, we can check for Indy next year.

Like, let's go get these guys. Bieber, cease. Fucking Burns. Lazzardo. Operate in like four-year windows. That's what team should do. It's kind of what the Dodgers has been doing. I know they've won a World Series, but like they win a lot until recently.

You know, everyone else was quick deals. I thought they'd buy championships. Everyone's telling me. They haven't won a full season championship since 88. I don't know if that's the right year. Unlike the Mariners who operate in a tenure window of losing on purpose. Well, 10 years of 54%. Oh, I hate that.

I forget about it a lot. He said it out of wow. Another Jeff Passing bomb on this. He went on some Seattle show and was talking about how Seattle fans should just feel disgusted with their team. Yeah, they do. They do.

I get sucked into Mariners' X. On the clock. And yeah. Mariners TikTok is that just fishing? Yeah, Marine life. They salary dumped. people not on salaries. When Jolly came on the show and did an episode with me,

we did a whole, I said, we have to do a whole segment on this because this is crazy. They're salary dumping, salaries that aren't big lifts for other teams. So other teams were just getting players. The Braves just salary dump their salary dumps. The Braves and Mariners trade was a fucking guy kicking a rock down the road.

Just for fun. Just because he was early for where he needed to be. So he thought, let me just kick this rock around the parking lot for a little bit. And that was what the Braves and the Mariners trade was. Okay. And the Mariners were the rock. The Braves have turned the offseason into like the game they play on their phone. Did you hear what I, did you see what I tweeted?

I think the Braves are sitting around the room in their front office like the four of them and being like, all right, Joe, you're up. Go trade for a guy and see if you can flip them. You got a week. and they did like four in a row And finally it was Mark's turn or whatever And he got Carpenter And he was like fuck guys

I can't flip them Thought the Yanks would want them Yeah and then the game ended They'll start again soon The Braves will make like a Christmas day trade Because you know Mark's fucked up He's got to do another flip

They're so bored It's so cool You're gonna give us Kelnik All right All right Yeah we need to get out of fucking Evan White's contract. Parker Gonzalez is 12 mil.

The Mariners. What punks. Rude. Why don't you move to Vegas? Just as rude is what you're doing. See you guys. Go yanks. Go to the Yankees. That's a tough way to end there for Seattle. I'm sticking up for their fans.

I agree. I totally agree. I don't think they want to move the team. Well, then sell it. I was saying it's just as rude. Start doing the moves, you shit. Your team's good.

We'll see you next year.