Talkin' Baseball (MLB Podcast) - Which Players Could Get Traded? | 924

Episode Date: November 13, 2024

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Hello and welcome to talking baseball. We are looking at the trade candidates. Let's go shopping, Big Daddy. Oh. Let's talk, Paul. Devin Williams slashed you. Down the line. Hello and welcome to talking baseball, presenting you by Seat Geek.

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and save 10% off the next time you get something. Thank you to seekeek. And Trev, that's kind of like, you know, the free agency price tag, sometimes that can be scary, but if you got a trade a couple, slapped it. to bring in what you need.

Speaking of, how are you, Trev? I'm doing well. I'm very excited to get into this episode because I feel like, there's always rumors about this team wants to do that and this team wants to do this. But a lot of times,

I'll channel my inner Scott Boris here, a lot of window shoppers out there, a lot of window shoppers. Anyone going to go and make the freaking purchase? How is Scott? into it. I haven't seen him. No, no, no boo dates for you two?

No, not yet. Down in Orange County. What's that Mexican place down there? Javier's. What's he say when he sees you? Like, doesn't he have like a standard go-to? I'm blanking. Okay.

I thought he had like a love watching you play line or something like that. No. Okay. No, no, he did not. Let's say hi to me and we are our buddies. We are buddies. Yeah, but I think there are some teams that are going to put the credit card down and go make the purchase pop. I think there's teams that are ready to go.

They need the clothes. Yeah. So they're going to go shopping. And there are some big names, I think, that will change teams in this in this offseason of 20, 24. Mm. 25. 24. Yeah, man, I think it's 25.

I think so, too. Whatever website you look at kind of has it labeled differently. we kind of need to agree on something because it's messy. I don't like, you know, like basketball does and football kind of do like the 2024-20-25. Right. I mean, they kind of have to because their season runs that way, but baseball is usually clean. I think it's the 25 off-season. Yeah, I would agree on that.

If I had a vote, I would say the 2025 off-season, yeah. 20-24 is over. Yes. It's over. 20-25 off-season, 2025 spring training, 20-25 season, 20-25 season, in 2025 postseason, boom. Boom. Done.

We figured that out for everyone. And hopefully we figure out some trades. Because Treve, I think one of the cool things is, I don't want to say there's a figured out formula, but in the current state of baseball, like you can kind of see the one-year guys. It's always been that way a little bit, like the trade rental crew slash just one year left.

And now the two-year guys, we also know there's a formula there. especially at the trade deadline when there's one and a half, but we always like when a team gets their business done, because what are we doing? And like we said, depending how you do the trade, obviously every GM and every fan base is scared to give up their top prospect

they've heard of for three years, and, oh, if this guy turns into a stud, you've got a guy for six years whose cost control. The other side of that is, I mean, between 40-man stuff and having positions blocked and, you know, the free agent pool. We talk about some of the price tags that free agents are going to get that, you know, I think we'll talk about Jordan Montgomery in a minute. There's some Luis Castillo rumors that the, you know, the price tag you may have to pay for

him when you factor in the money, you know, that may be better for you, your team than bidding for a Max Fried or something. like that. Not to throw our guy Max under the table. He's just about to get so paid that only so many front offices can deal with that. So I mean, I'm ready to sink

my teeth and do you have any other precursors or preambles or any pre? No, I do think it is an interesting off season though because I think there's a lot of people available as

teams start to like navigate this regional sports network debacle and I just think there's a lot of economics that are shifting in the game. So teams are kind of resetting or rethinking how they're going to go about their business. So with that, I think brings a lot of opportunity for trades. And a lot of teams are trying to get back under the threshold. Or like I said, you know, the twins, for example, go from Bally's in their TV contract deal now dealing with MLB. They're going to have a lower revenue stream from that. So are they saying, yeah, we got to trim the payroll down again.

You know, like there are teams that are thinking business-wise, and that's going to affect the rosters here. So I think this off-season is going to be, I think it might be spicy, Jake. Yeah, and I guess the other, I'll do one Jakey cross-sports thing. We've seen in your NFL, especially your L.A. Rams, that, you know, for years, NFL draft picks were kind of like hoarded. Like that's, that, that is the juice. That is how you replenish and that's how you want to rebuild it, blah, blah, blah, all that.

Your Rams for a few years there were like, hey, let's trade our first round pick and get a good NFL player. And I do think we've seen teams more recently hug their prospects a little less. You know, like Tanner Scott got an actual price tag at the deadline. And, like, even when the Dodgers traded for Scherzer and Turner, like, I know the Nats are reaping some benefits from that, but they're also, like, not in some ways. Like, I don't know, some of the bigger pieces in that trade, you know, prospects change very quickly in baseball with, whoa, this catcher can't throw out runners or this guy can't hit a slider. So now are you the top 50 prospect anymore? Are you fighting for a gig? So I do think teams in recent years,

the Padres with Preller, like Seattle's always doing funny business. I think we have seen a lot of teams. If you need to go get someone, go get them because your prospects are not promised to be anything. Although I did see, shout out to my Marlins, Xavier Edwards,

who was the slap dick prospect traded, he bawled out last year. He had like a 400-hour. base and 30 swipes and 70 games. Get ready for that Marlins' TPP. Might be one of the first ones. Ooh! Feeling spicy today, Trev.

Let's, um... I think the easiest way to do this, uh, because, you know, our Dalton and BPD got together, and they put together a delightful sheet on this that we have. Uh, I think we start with the popular trade candidates, uh, sheet,

um, because we have players with one. one year of control, two years of control. There was also a page at the end. This is just inside for us that made me laugh. It was labeled colors, and it's just the teams and their colors. I don't know. That's some Excel.

I don't know if we needed that. Funny business. I guess to make the sheet pretty that else. Don likes to have that on hand in the sheet so then he can color code. Yeah, no, it's nice. It was just, it was funny for me going to all this. Surmys, when you stumble upon that. Going through all this information.

Let's start there. Let's start on that page. Okay. It's a nice blue. Trev, let's do some starting pitchers because we have a little bit of a grab bag and, you know, we've been friendly this morning. Starting pitchers usually get you a little feisty

so we'll get riled up again. And we've got, like I said, a little bit of a hodgepodge between Garrett Crochet. How about this? I think he's the guy. He's the guy you start with. He had the highest K per nine of starting pitchers in baseball. He was a number one pick.

We saw this guy in college. mowing people down because he threw a hunch. He got called up in the White Sox when they were supposed to be the World Series White Sox, and then things took a turn that he took off last year. He has years of control. He's probably the most popular, the prize of the trade market.

I think Jeff Passon, your friend, said that. And then it scatters a little bit. Monty's a super interesting one. Luis Castile, like I mentioned. but Garrett Crochet seems to be the the guy that teams are targeting this offseason. He's got two years of control left, you know, via arbitration. So that's always something that, you know,

when you're trading for a guy, you want to know that he's going to be there and cost-controlled. So that's very appealing for teams. You know, he was supposed to go with the deadline last year. And there were some stipulations around what he would do. He wasn't going to pitch. the postseason? What were the stipulation? I'm kind of blank. He did not want to go

into the bullpen. He didn't want to be a reliever. I remember that. And then I think that was the big hurdle. What was the postseason thing, though? I thought it was made. We might have to go back and check that out. There's some line about that. Okay. I'll look into that. He's trying to, you know, he was trying to protect himself. And, you know, again, sometimes it

doesn't come across great for a fan base. He said he wanted a long-term contract if he was going to pitch in the postseason. That's if he was going to pitch. Yeah. Remembered a long-term contract thing. Yeah. So I, you know, I think, again, a lot of people are like, hey, man, just shut up and do your job. At the same time, if you put yourself in his situation and you're

talking to your agent and he's like, hey, like, you really only get one shot to earn some money in this game. Like, it's very hard to get there and you work your whole life. So there are times where you do have to protect yourself and he felt like he was able to have some leverage and so he took a shot at it and they end up not getting traded obviously stay with the white socks you know they really kind of held him back there at the end of the year but i've seen this guy pitch i've called a few games with him on the mound and there are times where he's absolutely unhittable absolutely unhitted well he's a bona fide ace and you know he's begun to you know get the inning count up but if you're talking about a

guy that you know can you can plug right into pretty much any situation um and have success with him it's it's garrette crochet now chris gets the general manager of the white socks you know during this last trade deadline the the talk was he was asking for a king's ransom which he should have been i mean this was a guy that didn't need to trade uh i said it even during the during that time I said, look, Gets is dealing with a lot of stuff right now. They're the worst team in baseball history. He's got a lot of guys to trade. It could be overwhelming at times,

especially when there is a deadline up against you. I said he could wait until the offseason, still get a similar, if not a better haul, because he'll have time to negotiate, time to talk to teams. I think that's where he probably ended up. And here we are. And this is, I think that,

GM meetings are this week, and I'm sure that he's going to be really, you know, I mean, this is, this is the guy. I mean, he's got him and Luis Robert obviously are kind of tied together, but Crochet, in my opinion, is like the guy of the off-season to get traded. Yeah, you're every, every team coming up with their off-season plans or every fan base, because that's what we are. You guys know your team better than us. If there's a crochet trade for your team, it makes your offseason a whole lot better. Because if you think your team needs a Garrett Crochet, that's going to cost you 20, 25, 30, $30, $40 million a year, depending on the kind of starting pitcher you're looking to add.

So if you can trade prospect capital, which you're talking, again, we're talking out of our bums a little bit because Chris gets the final decision and you need a trade partner to dance. but, you know, you're going to need at least two bona fide prospects. You're going to need, you know, depending which way they want to go with it. And this is the whole thing that we don't need to run through. But, you know, do the White Sox want to get five prospects and two of them are studs and three of them are long shots? Do they want to get three prospects where all three of them are top 100, something like that?

Like, this is a King's Ransom because this is going to allow your team to do more this offseason. You know, he's, Garrett Crochet is going to get paid, what do we think? Like three million? I don't, I don't have his, his arm number up,

but, you know, if, if that 25 mil, you would go higher. If you were saving that for a, for the other starting pitcher, now you could go put 20 million to go get your third basement,

to go get your left field or to go get whatever it is. That, yeah, I'm, I'm interested to see how that market develops. like we've, I guess I've, Treve, you've always been our West Coast guy and our central, I was going to say Central America guy, Guatemala, Peru, that's not Central America, Panama. Okay.

I guess I'm interested to see how this market develops because I, for years it was the Royals have all, or the Royals have all this capital and when are they going to cash in? they like started to cash in they haven't like fully deposited are they looking to do that i know know their GM came out and kind of said like hey we're not as deep as we used to be i'm i'm done cashing in which if i was an orio's fan i'd be like what um you know everyone wonders if the red socks are going to get back in the dance and like you know they've been a little different in free agency would they see an opportunity like this to cash in people are calling for chris sale 2.0 the Dodgers are just a constant threat.

And yet at the same time, as I'm mentioning some of these bigger teams in the past couple years, like we said, everything financially, if you are the team that can't go out and get the bigger free agent, this is the guy you almost need to get if you have the prospect capital for it. So I don't know. I'm not putting you on the spot like, hey, you got the team for me? Because that's not exactly how this works. I got a few teams. Let's hear them.

I mean, so I think this is where it's, you try to figure things out by looking at, you know, who has the loaded farm systems. But the truth is Chris Gets has a certain type of player in mind that he wants. And maybe, you know, he doesn't have to go to, you know, the Cubs have one of the best farm systems. The Red Sox have one of the best farm systems. But maybe, you know, Chris Gets likes somebody from, you know, the Rangers farm system better. and specifically wants those guys. So this is where it kind of, you know, we don't know, obviously. But I think he does fit like on the Red Sox.

That's a great landing spot for him. We really thought that the Orioles were going to cash in some of those chips. And their farm system has taken a little bit of a hit because they started to graduate guys, but they still have very young controllable players, which is basically what, you know, a farm system would be. So the Orioles are an obvious landing spot. The Red Sox are an obvious landing spot. and you know you could look at

I mean you can look at anybody the Dodgers are going to be in play for a lot of these guys I think they have an idea of what they want to do in the offseason but pretty much every team you're talking about a bona fide like ace starting pitcher like every team's going to try to be in on this guy so I think my top three teams if I had to name them would be the Orioles the Red Sox and then kind of like a sneaky one would be the Tigers

so, you know, they're, they have a chance. If they make some moves, the tiger specifically, to really put together like a crazy strong rotation. Because you can go. I have Jack Flaherty already going there. No inside info, but I think that's, I want him to go there. I think he had success.

So it would be Scoobel, Cater Montero, um, Jack Flaherty. Who's the guy just going to? Jackson Job. Crochet. And then crochet. Like you could realistically do that, and you could do that pretty easily. And all of a sudden, what are the Tigers?

Like, where are they ranked in your preseason rankings? Like, that's a formidable rotation right there. So I think he's a guy to put teams over the hump, and he's going to have a lot of interest, obviously. So I think I'm going to go Tigers. How about that? Man, I feel like we're putting a lot of pressure on the Tigers front of office. Let's go Tigers.

My God, a team that snuck into the playoffs with kind of a good last month. Um, yeah, they went, they went from scoble rumors to now adding crochet rumors. It's interesting. And that's where, that's where I didn't want to put you on the spot, but you crushed because you're just that guy. Um, you know, the tigers could, you know, create the window. It's kind of something we talk about. Like, hey, when a team's window is there, we hammer the table because like, we're,

we're always saying it's not going to be there as long as you think it's going to be there. So if it's there, which the Tigers might have just opened one, hey, I mean, scoobel and crochet, how far can that, you know, scoble almost got them pretty far, like how far could both of them? That's an interesting one to me. I don't know. I think it's going to be one of the big market boys. I don't think the Dodgers, A, they might just get Roki for free.

So like, why even give up the capital? No, they have so many pitchers coming back. from injury too. I agree, but we've seen them just continue to stockpile pitching depth. The Braves are always kind of lurking. I feel like they've been a little too quiet recently that for them to drop a bomb, I mean, Crochet and Chris Sale there. Or yeah, I'm a little scared of those ALEs teams that it's like, okay, Boston, when are you going to rejoin the party? Like,

and that's a guy that can do that. The Orioles, you've been at the party, but now like you're that meme of the guy standing in the corner like hey the orioles are back right and it's like hey let's let's do this if we're going to do this what's that meme uh it's like the we'll get it uh it's it's the guy in the corner of the party like oh you know uh it would be me saying you guys know Xavier Edwards had a 390 OBP last year right I think I know you're talking about I feel like the Orioles or the guy like everyone's excited to get this guy to the the party. And then he just got like too drunk and nobody wants him at the parties anymore.

Okay. It's kind of how I feel about it. Yeah, the Orioles are like a three-day music fest. And the first day they showed up from the Uber just bombed. It's like, guys, like let's enjoy this together. Hey, if you like pitching, why don't you check out this Blitzball Battle 5 pregame? It's been killing it. If you haven't watched, check this out.

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It's like a monster face. Just my face. Dude, memes are so weird. I'm sorry. Love me. I got to get back into the meme game. I was the meme king for a little bit. You were meming for a while.

Got to get back. I let myself go. I let myself go. two memes I mess with and I think I shouldn't do them anymore. That's good. Yeah, you I forgot how bad you were. You figured out the guy and looking at the girl.

Yeah. And the one girl was mad at him. We're hip. Trev, the other pitchers which have very, I don't know, different tones than crochet. Crochet, I guess, is what you expect. Good young pitcher. It clipped. He's on a bad team. Here comes the prospect hall.

Boom. Let's see if they get it done this offseason. I think where things get interesting for me, Jordan Montgomery, who was one of the bells of the ball, last free agency, and oh, this guy's hitting free agency perfectly. He strikes out Yordaunt Alvarez at will. The Cardinals tapped into this sinker. He's nasty.

It's perfect. Lefty. The weird free agency, which, who knows, was that Boris, was that collusion, was that a combo? Who knows? He ended up on the Diamondbacks. And like a lot of pitchers that have had unique free agencies and get into town late, he struggled. And unlike a lot of pitchers that have had that happened, the team owner came out and was like, I'm done with this guy.

Which that was, that was. You said, quote, horrible decision and, quote, biggest mistake. Yay. How about the name Ken Kemp? Kendrick. I feel like we don't acknowledge that a lot out of the snakes owner. That's like a race car driver name for sure. Cancandric.

Wasn't there a pitcher name Ken Kendrick? What was his name? Kyle Kendrick. Kyle Hendricks. Oh, Kyle Kendricks. There was Kyle Kendrick as well. Yeah. I think I hit a homer off him.

I'm in route. The years overlap. I thought you were starting to get to this HALOs off season, which I'm not going to do this right now, but darn no, Kyle Hendricks, Solair. Okay. Feeling. Feeling angel.

Those six Iron men they have there, played 152. Jordan Montgomery, you might... One for two with a homer. Yep. Eat it, Kyle Kendrick. Jordan Montgomery, prospect-wise, you might get for the price of on the house.

So, yeah, this is a completely different one. I think we kind of have to, we can't spend as much time as we done a crochet on some of these guys. But yeah, he's a guy that, look, the owner says these things about him. It's not a good work scenario anymore. I think he's 100% going to get traded. The problem is he's owed $22.5 million.

So for the Diamondbacks to unload that, I mean, they're going to have to eat a portion of the salary or include a prospect with him. This is going to be just a straight salary dump almost. So the way that I think about this

is, and I don't think he has an option, right? It's just one more year at 22, 2,2.5. So I think he has something. Let me double check. And in my head, he does. No, he doesn't. This was his player option.

This is it. Yeah. So I think if you're a team, you're like, I can get a solid, left-handed pitcher who's kind of been through everything that you can go through in the big leagues. And I can get it on a one-year deal. And I could probably get him at, you know, 17 mil. I think that's very appealing for a lot of teams, especially ones that are in their window who can use a little push to get over the hump, you know, or want some starting

pitching depth. And you could look at all the teams that basically were in the playoffs last year. Like, you know, I keep going back to the Tigers, but I think they're the one playoff team that really needed starting pitching. I mean, this could be a play that the guardians make. There's just, he fits on pretty much every single team because of it's a one-year thing. And really, there is no such thing as a bad one-year deal. deal. So I think there's going to be a lot of suitors for him. He could go anywhere. And you're right. I think, you know, the dimebacks are the ones that are going to really have to pay because they're trying to unload this contract. Yeah, I'm fascinated from the deback side

because whatever team gets, Monty, you just laid it out. Like, okay, you get a one-year starting pitcher, a guy who's a bona fide starting pitcher that last year is clearly the outlier of his past six years that, you know, if it's one of the big boys and they get Jordan Monk, We're going to be like, watch out. Remember the postseason that guy had, you know, 32 starts, a 3-2 ERA in 23. Even, how about this, Halo's fans? I was just, you know, I won't say mocking. But, you know, if the Angels got Jordan Montgomery for one year, we'd be like, yes, L.A.

Like, okay, if he's good for you, awesome. If you guys are good, awesome. If you guys aren't, flip him at the deadline, a guy whose value will be back. So whatever team gets Monty, like we already have our spiel laid out. It's just interesting for me from the Dback side, because are they going to attach a prospect? Are they going to take back another team's money? Like, that was, you know, the Yankees are interested with Marcus Stroman,

who had a very Marcus Stroman year for them, but they didn't deem him usable in the postseason. So, like, he's making 18 mil. Could there be something like that? Would the Diamondbacks want to go for people? pitching? Would they want to fill another need on their team? Or is it just like, hey, let's get off this money and we'll do whatever we want with it? Super interesting to see their angle on it. I guess of these remaining pitchers, Trev, because on our sheet labeled popular trade candidates,

I don't want to say there's one I'm going to poo-poo. I guess the one that I find interesting, Luis Castillo, because I think Seattle came out and said they were shopping him, which that's a good clue. That's a good hint. Passon's article had, he'd be the likeliest to go if they decide to move from their starting pitching depth. I've been asking.

I've been asking. They don't need starting pitching. They have that. They need bats. And yeah, it makes sense. Like, hey, like I talked about with the money, if you get off of Castillo's money, which that contract looks fine now, he's basically getting

25 mil a year, the next three and there's an option at the end. He does have a full no trade clause, so that would be interesting. No idea where his head would be at on that. But yeah, Luis Castillo is the one that looks more interesting to me. Sunny Gray, I guess is of a similar boat. Like St. Louis is definitely a wildcard team this offseason.

They could retool the whole thing. Nolan Aronado is on this list in a second that we'll talk about. from what I from what I've heard I think St. Louis wants to keep Sunny I think they like the fit there I think he said he doesn't want to go anywhere and he does he have the no trade too?

So yeah knowing knowing Sonny and he's got a family with young kids if he feels like comfortable there and his family's happy there's then I don't really see him waving the no trade clause

unless he says okay like this is a perfect situation. I just, it doesn't seem likely to me. No. He's in, I think he's in like kind of that twilight age of his career

where he's just, it's about more than baseball right now. So, I don't see that happening. Luis Castile's interesting to me. Again, yeah, we're looking at a guy that's going to make, you know, like about $75 million for the next three years, but he is a top end starting pitcher,

who you can have. I'd imagine because of the contract that it wouldn't require a ton of prospect capital to get him. I don't think he wouldn't demand one of your top five prospects. So he's an interesting one to me. He's 32 years old, I believe, right now. So I think you could still get some good prime years out of him. I'm trying to think who fits Luis Castillo. Again, we'll say this with every starting pitcher,

like every team could use him. He seems like a Boston red suck to me. I don't know. Yeah, just it's what, well, and we're about to laugh, but what does Seattle want back? Would they be willing to take other money back? Do they want prospects back? Because, A, it needs and should be hitters.

But, you know, I just made myself laugh because as we get into some of these hitters, I was like, what if the Mariners and Cardinals got on the horn and started talking Castillo for Aeronado? Like, who really starts to flinch there first? I think Seattle would maybe want a little more, but I don't know. That's where the offseason gets so fun.

It's the part that I love about it. And yeah, you mentioned the Red Sox there. I mean, my God, how many hitters did they have that like that's the thing. They have a ton of. I hate that, Trev, stop. Well, they have a ton of people at like at the Major League level. who have been proven big leaguers. You know, you can talk about CASAS,

you can talk about, well, you're a Breu. Who else is there? Like, Yoshida's there. And then a bunch of their young prospects. I was just reading an article on CBS Sports. I'll give the guy a shout out. Nice. Mike Exisa.

Yeah. Okay. He's talking, they have a bunch of lefties, like too many lefties. All the guys coming up are lefties. A lot of guys at the big level are lefties. Hey, you think Seattle could use a left-handed power bat? They could.

So they're a fit there for me. God, I hate that that made sense, Trev. God damn it. Okay, great. Good for Boston. Let's get into the high-profile hitters, Trev. And like I teased it, Aronado has been a popular name around this office the past couple weeks if St. Louis is trying to retool this.

Alec Bone. Okay, so the third basement. are a little hot in the streets. I'm also seeing Josh Naylor on this list, which I think people know my frustrations about that. Just because, God, him in the Guardians has been such a good fit, but he's on the last year of his deal. There's also a bunch of names at the bottom,

some Ray's guys, Cody Bellinger, Boba Chet. So I'll let you go where you want, Trev. Naylor's an interesting one to me because we know how the Guardians operate. I just love the the fit there for him in Cleveland. It seems like, hey, you got a guy that has bought into what you're doing. Like, why not try to extend him? I don't even know what an extension would look like.

So, you know, they don't necessarily do that. And they gave J. Ram a deal. It's different. You know, Josh Daniels is not J.Ram. So they, I mean, they're like another team, like the Mariners. They've been searching for power and hitters. Like, that's what they lack. consistently. So if you have a guy that you've, that's your own guy, like, let's try to keep him.

So one guy that I keep going back to, and I don't know if you mentioned him, is Yondi Diaz. So he, I think, has two more years left on his deal and then an option. So he's got, excuse me, one year, $10 million next year, and then an option for 12. And he's a guy that I think that your team, the Yankees could really use. You could put him at first base. He's a guy that, you know, historically has got on base. I think he started out slow this year, but his overall numbers and then from May 1st on were pretty damn good.

So he's, I think, one guy that, you know, knowing how the raise operate, I think he's going to be going somewhere. And any team that's looking for that, you know, first base, you know, D-H power, like a guy that can slug and get on base? I mean, who doesn't want that? So the Astros are going to be in on this guy. The Yankees are going to be in on this guy. I think that he's got a very good chance to be moved this offseason.

And the guy that pairs with him is Brandon Lau. He has a very similar situation. It'll be 10.5 mil this year. And then there's a team option for 11.5 mil, which, again, if these guys perform, it's a very easy opt-in. And, hey, if baseball, something crazy happens the other way to have that opt-out, teams are kind of interested in, too, that the raise are going to be busy this off-season. I wonder if they're looking at it as we're going to trade one or two of them,

or if, you know, they are the raise. This is why we talk about them in this manner. They could trade both. They could trade both in one trade. Like, we wouldn't be shocked at all. as I forgot that I think I'm riding a race hype train this upcoming year as they're getting a whole rotation back. And a new stadium.

Where are they going to play? Yeah, we haven't gotten that. We haven't got there yet. They're looking at the... Their stadium will not be ready for 2025. The Yankees High A Stadium. I don't know. We will...

I don't know. We'll hear about that a lot. Yeah, I kind of... I kind of can't even... For Josh Naylor, I hope they figure something out. Because it's a curious case. Offensively, he's been raking. He does not rack up war.

This doesn't matter, but should matter. His baby bros on the team. Like, again, I don't know what Josh Naylor thinks his free agent market would be, and I don't want to sell a guy short. But it feels like if there was a team that could figure out the extension here that both sides could land in an okay place. You know, Josh Naylor's still pretty young and maybe if it was a four-year deal

that after two years they could still have interest in trading him, he's just such a fit there that if they trade him, I'm going to be Jakey, sad boy guards and probably get their over-under wrong again. Yeah, he's a fit there. Monsardo's like the guy they traded to, you know, be his replacement. So, you know, they got a little bit of taste to him there.

Big Homer in the postseason. Is he ready to step in? I don't know, man. I always say, let's rack up a bunch of good players. That's not just bank on one guy taking over. Let's have a couple options there. Yeah, I'm interested. Him and Yandi are going to be definitely talked about a lot in the off season

because there are some teams that have playoff World Series aspirations that are kind of thin at that position. Man, there's a lot of these baseball teams that wish they were using indeed. Trev, that's how you search better. Maybe they do. Maybe Indeed has like a baseball side of it. When it comes to hiring, the best way to search for a candidate isn't to search at all. Don't search match with Indeed.

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I want to do Luis Robert with you quick because we did our talking Yanks if we were GMs. What would we do? If I was the Yankees' GM, I would go get Luis Robert. He is getting $15 million this year. He has two team option years for 20 mil each. So it's a very interesting, case Luis Robert Cuban Mike Trout remember that um love Luis Robert he had that one kind of full

season I think 2023 where he went nuts um and he was living up to it he's had a lot of injuries he probably has a little case of the white socks uh if you're the white socks it's an interesting concept of hey if we can still trade for this guy should we because if he has another injury plagued year I don't know if they're picking up the 20 million option. We just kind of saw them do this with Eloy. And I think if you're a team that can afford Luis Robert, I think you love the upside. If he balls out for your team next year, that 20 million option is no question. I mean, that's easy. So I don't know. For me, it depends on if the White Sox are like, hey, if Luis Robert comes back and he has a good first half, his value is all the

way back up and then we should trade them or you know does fear kick in because if he gets injured in spring like his he might never have trade value for them again yeah look here's a thing with a guy like louise robert i understand there's been some injuries there's been um basically just been injuries so you have to worry about him being on the field but you don't you just don't find guys like this that's that's the whole thing so sometimes you've got to take a chance a guy that can play center field with the best of them who can also, I mean, he had a, what, a 38 homers in 23. You're talking about a guy who, you know, has the potential to be a 30, 30, 30 guy playing gold glove center field. Yeah. So, like, you take your chances on guys like that. I'm sorry,

man. Yeah. Put him in the, put him on the Yankees, could judge out of center field. You know, put, you could do that anywhere. How often have we talked about center field is a black hole for offense right now besides Aaron Judge anybody else him and Brent Doyle by the Jackson Merrill Jackson Merrill came in and changed things this year but we talk about that all the time it's like it's just it's one of these positions where yeah you know it's 100% defense first right now in baseball so if you can get a guy that can give you that defense plus you know has the potential to have an incredible offensive season and yeah like he's he's a guy that I would take a chance on. Again, asking price matters. I don't know what Chris Gets is going to

want for him. You know, it's not going to be cheap. But I think you're right. If you're a team that wants Luis Robert right now, he's probably not going to be any cheaper. So like you might have to give us some prospects, but it's going to be at, you know, he's at a lower value than he probably should be right now. So when you see that happened, you know, like when Bitcoin went down to, you know, in the 20s, you know, 29,000. You should have struck at that. Now it's 89,000. Luis Robert could be like Bitcoin for people. Wow.

How about that? Yeah, the more I think about it, perfect, Trev. You know, hey, how about the New York Mets? And then the thing is, you could do this with any team. He was rumored to the Phillies. The Phillies, yes. He's been rumored to every team. The teams that were in the playoffs were putting out there in center field.

I mean, the Dodgers, thank goodness, traded for Tommy Edmund and have K. Hernandez. is, but like, yeah, they could have used Luis Robert out there. You know, the Phillies are starting, you know, uh, Johan Rojas and, and, and, you know, Brandon Marsh out there. Like, you could, you could figure some things out. Like, he's a guy that definitely fits on a lot of teams because of what we said, man, that's just not an offensive position right now. Well, and that's, it, it is fun to start really daydreaming because, I mean, uh, the one I keep stumbling into that, like, doesn't make sense and will not happen is if the Mariners traded.

for him and they just had, I mean, you could have him and J. Rod just do two outfielders. Like, you don't play five infielders, have one guy. Have one guy play left center, one guy play right center. Like, you don't, I mean, they're pitchers, pitchers, I don't know. I don't see that happening. I don't see that happening. But I do think, I guess even with that little conversation, there's going to be enough interest in his talent that I think you.

Gotta pull the trigger. Because God, if you end up, if he has a bad year. Look at the baby birds. Let's go. Birds. Right? If you end up at the end of this year and I see the post, the White Sox have declined Luis Roberts team option, you screwed up.

That's not going to happen. You screwed up. You screwed up. And then this one's a little hot on the streets trip. I don't know if you heard about this this morning, but it's also making sense. Alec Bohm. who's been in some trade rumors throughout the years. He was also one of the more consistent Phillies player early on this season.

There's a rumor that Phillies might be in on Bregman, which does he not fit the energy in that clubhouse? Yes, yes. The Phillies and my religion, Dave Dombrowski, they could flip Alec Bohm for whatever else they need, bring in Alec Bregman from the free agent pool, and, you know, I think Bregman, you know, you guys throughout the tigers for Bregman, interesting. I do think, you know, if you look at his spray chart, he's a guy that, you know,

those Crawford boxes have helped just a little bit, that, you know, I think the ballpark has to come into consideration. And where Philly comes into play is you might have locked up Alex Bregman for 30 home runs the next five years again, that that's become really interesting. at this point has proven he can hit for you. Why not? Why not?

Go sign Alex Breggman and then trade Alec Boehm to the Astros. Okay. Just tilt the world. Okay. Well, because here's a thing. Alec Boem is, get his defensive metrics up,

Beavers. I know that he's, he's not like a shining example of what defense could be at their base. I think there's times where he's mostly serviceable. there, but you can also put this guy at first base, and it'd be great. He's

a guy that can make that move. So if you're a team, you know, look, the Astros are going to have an opening at third base and first base. Right. You know, so you can look at you don't have to look at Alec Bohm as a okay, pretty good. You don't have to look at him as a third baseman necessarily. I think he's

hit enough where you could say we can put him at first base as well. You maybe feel like you could tap into something a little bit more with him. I feel like at times he's been incredible. He's a little bit inconsistent there offensively, but I think there's some big years in him. So yeah, he doesn't have to be a third baseman.

So he could fit on these teams that were talking about the need first baseman. And I think I've just taught myself into the Astros being a landing spot for him. Although I don't think that's really how they operate. I don't know. Yeah, well, the first base, third base thing, you know, that can be spun as a win. Because he can play third base. Like it shouldn't bring down your franchise. And don't you think Ali Bowman would benefit

from hitting the minute-made? Wouldn't hurt. You know, the friendly confines of citizens aren't too far off. But, yeah, you know, that can also, GMs can view that as flexibility. Like if the Astros are like, well, hey, that's going to, if Paul Goldschmidt wants to come here, we'll have bone play third for a year.

If we, if there's another third basement out there we like, that we, Nolan Aronado in Houston, how do you like that? you know, that that can give them the flex. Oh, God, that actually, that stung. Can you just see that? The Astros trade for Aeronado for like their 10th prospect, and you're like, okay, great. Great.

Okay, so start penciling that in. I think of the big fish. Have we talked about Devin Williams yet? We're about to, Trev. Okay. Because that's a guy, if you find his card in your arena, you're having a good day. God,

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for 10% off your first purchase. There is a link in the description. Hells, Bells, and Devin Williams, Trev. I'll be honest with you. There's a reason I delayed this a little bit. I am worried about their market because there's so many good relievers in the free agent pool.

Sure. That to give up some of your prospect capital, and I'm not saying this, If you give up your prospect capital and you get Ryan Helsley or Devin Williams, be hype. I know if my team does that, I will be very hype. I just think the way front offices work, and we know this, they're going to look at that free agent pool and say,

well, you know, if I could bring in Clay Holmes for $7 million and not give up my, you know, two of my top five prospects, then I would rather do that. So that's where I'm a little nervous about this. But these are two teams that, seem to be trading for different reasons and they have elite closers to trade. Yeah, so again, with the one year left

before their free agents, I don't know what type of prospect you'd have to give up. I'm actually like, it's interesting to think about that. Like, is there a chart somewhere that these guys go by? Like, okay, he's got one year left, so I've got to go with my top guys. I don't know. But both these guys, I mean,

Helsie was incredible last year. Devin Williams is, when he's on the mound, I mean, he misses bats with the best of them. So you're talking about two guys. You're right. These are elite relievers. So teams that are looking for help at the back end of their bullpen, you can't really do much better.

So yeah, I guess the question would be, do you go out and, I mean, I think Tanner Scott's going to cost you a four-year-60-something million dollars. So if you're in it and you're saying, hey, I can really only make the commitment for one year yes, I'll have to give up a prospect. You know, these guys are going to be very appealing to you. But I'm curious about Devin Williams with the Brewers because I think you could offer him the qualifying offer after this year. So teams, you know, they'll think about that, you know, offering the qualifying offer.

He'll turn it down because, you know, he'll be looking to secure a longer deal for, you know, maybe less A.A.V, but more guaranteed. money. So you recoup the draft pick there. So you don't have to trade that. You don't have to trade them. They're going to be in contention again. This is the Milwaukee Brewers. We're talking about they're always there. So as much as it seems like it's a foregone conclusion, I think the qualifying offer, I guess it makes sense for Helsley too. I really haven't thought about the qualifying offer for him. But if he has another year like he did in 2024, then. I don't know, man. I think they both take it. I mean, that that kind of money for one year. of a reliever. Well, okay, what do you think on an open market? 17 million. The qualifying offer should be

22 next year. Like, they're not going to take that because they're going to be looking to cash in. They could get two at 15 per. I guess what was the latest big time reliever contract? D.S., right?

Edwin set the record. That was Josh Hader, Edwin Diaz. Okay, what Hater get? What Hater get? Under 90 million? Five for 95 is in my head. I'll double check.

I got six for 90. Five for 95. So yeah, I guess you're right. I mean, these are guys on top of the game. Wow. Okay. Yeah, I didn't have that. And I think, okay, so that might even go more on my side, Trev.

Because the other thing I was going to throw in, you mentioned Tanner Scott. Hey, maybe these were one-off trades that the world's not going to look like that. The Padres dealt packages for Tanner Scott and Jason Adam. I mean, Marlins got the Padres, and this was like a respected farm system for Tanner Scott and Brian Hoeing, who threw some innings for them, had some respect on his name. Their number two prospect, Robbie Snelling, their number four in Mazur, number five, and Graham Pauli. So they gave up three of their top five prospects for half a year of Tanner Scott. Now, I don't think that's going to become the standard. Like the Padres really thought they had a title lined up

And they did except for their final two games But I don't know, man, that's That's a price tag that we would have daydreamed last year for crochet. So that's where I'm nervous about their trade market And everything you just said like, Okay, they could just pitch for us for a year and we could get the comp pick. I don't know. Or just wait to the deadline.

Like how much is it? How much is it going to hurt their value? Last deadline, it might even help their value. Yeah, at that point, teams know, hey, this is really a deficiency. Right. And we are going to make the playoffs, most likely. So, yeah, that's when they're willing to pull the trigger. You know, going into the season, you have the aspirations,

but you also have your roster and you're like, you're like your roster. You put it together. So you're saying, hey, if these guys have great years, we don't need Devin Williams, but when you get into the season at the deadline, you know if you need them or not 100%. So yeah, there's a lot of things, you know, that's a good thing about having these good players

is you can kind of dictate, you know, the timing of it. You don't have to go out and trade them right now. So I'm curious for both these guys. I think both of them would get offered the qualifying offer if they went and had full years again. Yeah. So that's where my head's at.

Yeah, that's, um, Yeah, something to watch even into spring training, I guess, especially Halsley. Like the Cardinals are going to have a unique offseason here. IMO, I mean, we'll see what it looks like. That, you know, for the Brewers, they're going to be expected to win the Central again and have Devin Williams and the qualifying offer and all that. Yet at the same time, they have a history. They traded Hater.

Where if the Cardinals, if they don't have the expectations and, I don't know, if a team's closer goes down in camp or something like that, I think we could be on Halsley Watch, you know, up until opening day. And then if not, you just wait until the deadline, basically. Let's see. I think that's a lot of the big boys. I do see Michael Tonkin listed here.

I guess who else is on your mind, Treve? You know, that's more open-ended than, you like and is fair to you, but, you know, I feel like we're going to hear the names we've heard the past few years. Like Jonathan India probably is going to pop up in trade rumors. And, you know, is Toronto going to do something? What are the Cubs? I don't know.

We can really start spinning our tires or we could not. Yeah, I think for me it's more teams and not necessarily specific players. I think the Tigers are one of my teams that I keep thinking they got to have a good offseason here. They got to acquire some players. So I think I'm looking for them to make some adjustments. I think the Orioles are one we've been waiting on to do something for quite some time. They really haven't. You know, they went and got Corbyn's.

That was great. Now they don't have Corbyn Burns anymore. So what do you do now to, you know, supplement there? They're going to have to be enter either the free agent market or, you know, the trade market. Those are like my kind of two teams that I'm on high alert for. and then you could go to teams like the Phillies and the Yankees they're like desperate like this is like the window is here and it's not going to be there forever

so you I mean these two teams they went all in and the Yankees are trying to really go all in and get one Soto back but you have to really make your decision and you have to hit it like they have to hit on all their decisions going forward because this is this is like the time and the fan base for both of those teams is rabid

and they're not necessarily happy even though the Yankees went to the World Series not happy with how it went down and what people are talking about with their organization and the fifth inning will live on in infinity forever so I think those two teams Phillies Yankees have

some soul searching to do for being honest like if the Yankees don't go out and get Juan Sosos I don't know if that pushes them to just go full tilt and go get three or four guys in free agency or if they kind of shrivel up

and say oh shit, now what? I don't think that would be the case, but we've seen that happen to teens before when they miss out on their guy, i.e. the Toronto Blue Jays. I'm interested to track this Nolan Aeronado stuff. It obviously got traded from the Rockies famously. The AAV gets a little interesting.

His last 2027 year is for 15 mil, so there's some funny business there. And I think, you know, I've heard Yankee fans clamoring. I've heard Astros fans clamoring. I just dreamt up a fake trade with Seattle that if Aronado is available and the price tag isn't, you know, and it wouldn't be one of these prospect-filled packages, you have a chance

at a Hall of Famer for lower risk And like, again, the Houston thing Is just spinning in my head right now Hey, Bregman's gone and that hurts And he was our guy and all of that Okay, do you guys mind Nolan Aeronado For a couple years? Like, and that almost allows them to be more flexible.

The Tigers, like you said, I'm starting to like Jordan Montgomery for them, man, because that's like you're giving out the money, you're using your money, but it's for one year. Like, let's find out if this was real. And then if it was, and Jordan Montgomery's there,

then you can go to ownership and be like, hey, we full-blown have the core now. Let's go get some more cornerstone pieces. So, man, that's where I love this stuff. Wouldn't it talk about Nico Horner at all? What are the Cubs doing? What are the Cubs doing? I think the Astros have some interesting decisions coming up

because you have a guy like Framber who's a free agent after the year so what do you do with that? You just keep them an offer from the qualifying offer. I'm assuming that's what's going to happen or obviously try to extend him but they haven't operated like that recently. So there's a lot of guys with like the one year left. Ryan Presley I know has been mentioned a lot

in trade rumors as he is a free agent after this year as well. So, you know, I think there's a lot of guys, you know, we talked about some of the notable names, but there's a ton of guys who we didn't get to that are obviously being talked about a lot right now. But I think this early in the off season, for me, I'm more focused on, like, teams than specific players. Yeah, yeah, you've, God, there's so much I feel like we didn't mention just because we don't know, you know, I have no idea what Kansas City's Offseason plan is like you know Well they already signed they signed Waka

Right but like we put together some hypothetical Free agent signings for them and some trades for them I think they're going to be in the mix A couple of those Tampa guys like I Relievers are going to be of interest to the Kansas City of Royals I'm outfielders going to be of interest to the Kansas City Royals I mean you could talk about you know getting a third basement

there. There's a lot of things that they can do. They have holes. This isn't like a complete team. They overproduced greatly last year. So there's a lot of holes to fill on that team. And if you have a guy like Bobby Whit who you want to build around, let's go. Travis, I have one more team I want to bring up just because I, as my brain's spinning on like, what teams have we kind of missed? It's brought to you by the Draft King's sports book. A chill in the air leaves are on the ground, man, it felt like it went from fall to winter quick in the big city. It is cold today. I had to put on my jacket to take noodle out last night.

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A team that's supposed to operate a little differently. Okay. How are the Pittsburgh pirates getting in this mix? They have to. They have to. If they walk away saying we're banking on our young minor league hitters. So, yeah, I mean, they came out and said they were going to improve the team. They didn't really improve the team last year.

And, you know, I'm okay with that. Jared Jones was hurt. Paul Skeens was coming up on, you know, Max innings and all these things. But now, yeah, you have a formidable rotation there. A top three that could rival pretty much anyone's in all the league. So what are you going to do to surround them? I mean, there is holes galore there in that offense. You can really go and just say, yeah, that guy's a fit, that guy's a fit, that guy's a fit.

I do hope, again, I do hope that they are aggressive. How aggressive are they going to be? I don't know, man. Right. But they have to be. Because they're not going to be aggressive in high-end free agency, right? So if you can't be aggressive there, then you have to be aggressive in the trade market. Like, I know jolly on our trade-up throughout, like, Max Kepler signing there,

which we are like, yeah, you know, that's, that potentially has a high reward at the back end to it. But that doesn't change the pirate's identity next year. You move O'Neill Cruz to the outfield, so short stops open. Bulls a show. Willie Adamas. They're not going to be the highest bidder for Willie Adomas. You never know how these markets shake out.

So, I mean, I agree with you. I don't think Willie Domus is going to go there. But I'm just, I'm spitballing here, man. I know. Pretty much, you know, Key Brian Hayes is so, is such an interesting player for them because he just has not hit. And so he doesn't really profile at third base anymore besides the glove. So, you know, what do you do with that guy?

Can he play shortstop? And then get a third base from the bangs? Like, why not? Oh. Bring Cole Tucker back? Bring Cole Tucker back. That should. They do have players there too, though, man.

They have players there. If you go up and down the lineup, they have some special talent. What's the second baseman's name? Is it Nick Gonzalez? Nick Gonzalez came up last year and hit. I like him. A lot, dude. A lot.

So you have him. You got O'Neill. Who's our guy? Brian Reynolds out there. They have talent. But they need more of it. There's spots on that lineup that could be fit. Yes.

And again, the trade market is the way you'd think a team like the pirates would build on it. Hey, maybe a slight reminder at the end. You guys know your team better than us. What do you guys have cooking? And, you know, try to be as realistic as possible. You might not have to get in the weeds with prospects. Maybe get in the more of the weeds with fits or why. Why does this make sense?

And then we go, oh, yes. I've heard Nolan Aeronado loves seafood. Stop talking about him. Him in Seattle would be perfect. Put him on the Yankees so you shut up. Yeah, I don't know. I'm worried.

He's had facial hair his whole career. I get worried about that. So, thank you guys. We'll be back Monday, unless there's breaking news, right? Wow. Jick sucks. Do you know who was hanging out with Nameless Jet?

Jeff? No. Jazz Chizzo. Oh, interesting. Yeah. Interesting combo. It's very obvious if you think about it. Yeah.

I think we might get jazz to the office at some point. We'll see. Jazz and Jeff. Jazz and Jeff. Jeff come.