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Episode Date: October 19, 2022

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Hello and welcome to talking baseball. The Yankees fend off the Guardians. They advance to the ALCS against the Astros. We're going to recap game five in preview. The ALCS, let's do it. Hello and welcome to talking baseball. Brought to you by Siki. Code Johnboy playoffs, got you 10% off any ticket.

They're doing everything with us this postseason. My name's Jimmy. We got Jake here, Trev, BBD. We are going to recap. Game five. Yankees Guardians. And then preview. ALCS. Jake, let's burn. Who.

See in a minute, Trev. Soft. Win or go home in the boogie down Bronx. Are you the one they call Cortez? Nestor Cortez on short rest going against Aaron, hoping to not be a run. Siv Ali for the Guardians getting the controversial start. And Trev bottom one, hit the music.

Junkerlo, let the rhythm take you over, Junkerlo. Teciero, three run homers. It's three nothing, and if you're judging Savali, so is the big fella. Aaron Judge, he goes yard off a henches. He henches and benches. It's four nothing. Yankees in the third, the Cleveland bloops. We've got contact on the field.

It was Ramirez. One run scores, but Nestor works out of it, and he did all day. Five innings pitch, one earn run to the Yankee bullpen. They get the insurance RBI from Riz, but Johnny, Clay, and Wandi, the greasers in the back of the Yankees' bullpen, shut them down. Yankees win five to one. They're dancing in the streets, and then they're getting. Getting on a plane to H-town Fungke down. Bay City, Ray City.

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Rapsoto.com slash Johnboy to receive a special discount. Yankees win game five, Treb, Jake and I have talked a lot about this already. So I'm interested to hear what you got on it. I feel like a lot of this is going to come off as hindsight, right? But even before this game, we talked about the starting pitching decisions.

Booney, I don't know if it was him or Nestor running into his office saying like, I'm pitching, but they decided to go Nestor on short rest. I don't think he had done it since he was in the minor leagues or something like that. And on the other... As a starter. Yeah, as a starter. On the other side, you have Cleveland,

and you have a guy named Shane Bieber who, you know, from the get-go, they said they were not going to use. So you're going with Savali there. The one thing that I have a problem with, I don't care that they made that decision. But if you're going to say that Bieber is available out of the pen in an emergency, guess what game five of the ALDS is is kind of an emergency. That's the way I think about it.

But I respect Tito's decision. Like I get he's, it's admirable. He's trying to keep Bieber healthy. Do I think the game changes if Bieber starts? I think it does. I mean, the one thing we said was you can't have Savali get out there and give up a lead early in the game because that is exactly what each team is trying to do. Get out in front and then, you know, right at the rest of the way.

Savali ends up giving the three-run Jack, Giancarlo, beautiful swing. That was probably his hitting coach, Luke Ponzatella. He went fishing, right? Lukeapanzatanzi. Whatever that is, same thing. My cousin. But that ended up being it.

Like, I keep going back to the Cleveland pitching side. Like, could you have started henches to Stefan, to Karen Chack, to Class A? like if you're going to go bullpen game and they have such a short leash, then why don't you just go like your best guys? Yeah, I think that's the Yankee side. Nestor is a, they thought was going to be like their best option to start. So that's why they went with him.

If you're, I think you just put your best four or five guys out there. And I don't know if Savali at the time is, is that. Yeah, that's where it, it's getting muddied up a little for some. Like, I don't think it's Savali or Bieber, right? Like, even if you're not pitching. Beber, you still don't need to squeeze the one or two that you were hoping out of Savali.

You have better arms. Eli Morgan probably better option than him because he hadn't pitched in the series yet. Now it's an elimination game and he's starting and getting those guys. Rizzo has owned him and then Stan and Judge and he gets judge out. But yeah, I mean, you know, Jake and I were saying the Yankees formulas, if Savali's pitching for one inning, you need to get runs. That inning. and I asked for a two-run home run-run

run-run the first. That was like my like, this is what we need. And they got a three-run home or so. Yankees really took advantage because, you know, if Savali squeaks out a clean inning, and I think that's what they were hoping for,

then it's like, oh shit. And look, if this game ends up going extras and like you're worried about like not having enough pitching, then you can throw Savali then. If he's going to be like a guy that you're trying to get a couple of innings out of,

like, well, like he's still going to be that in your emergency. I don't know. It's again, this is all, like Monday morning quarterback type Not really

Because if No it's not We talked about before the series too This was the whole conversation Before the game And that's where I mean I'll You know baby mad dog Russo a little bit If I'm Bieber man

I know we're dealing with Francona One of the most respected guys in the game But I mean I'm not saying he doesn't have that dog in him But once you want the pill Like your season's now over And you didn't pitch And I know it's the future of baseball

And we're worried about how Like he threw 200 innings this regular season Like Beaver It registers as one of the bigger horses in baseball currently That I don't know If you have the two mindsites If Terry Francona says, hey, we're not doing opener BS

I want a starting pitcher to start the game So I don't look at it Because say they started Hentches And he gives up two home runs He'd say, well Hensches never started He used a bullpen guy So if you're going to go with the starting pitcher mentality, it's got to be Beaver. Or if you're going to go the other way, then it's probably Stefan who was dominant again for a little bit.

And he came up as a starter like recently. So at least he can tap into that. But I mean, throwing Savali out there, I know you said Monday morning quarterback because we're recording after and it feels that way. And if he survived two innings, but the whole conversation for two days leading into this game, was like, they're not going to start Savali, right? And I feel rude because he's a CT guy. You know, I love Connecticut.

But a lot of Guardians fans said, like, that's, he was essentially the last pitcher on the roster. And in a do-or-die game, that's how you're going to go down. It's got, it's a, has to be a brutal feeling. Because he's Francona and he has a lot of built-up trust and legacy, and he does. And I'm not countering this. He deserves it.

if this was a rookie manager or Aaron Boone or some manager that doesn't have this wall and shield of respect I mean the replay situation shot themselves in the foot terribly as well they get two replays just blatantly wrong in game four and I don't know I've tried to find quotes I haven't seen it I don't know if we're saying but they get two wrong game four and Jake and I and Jake said on the show like be on the lookout and game five if there's a replay and they don't challenge it because they're scared because they lost their challenges last time and i mean clear as day safe at first and they don't challenge it and that gets nestor out of the inning which sets them back on to have like you know another quick inning and

i think anyone else would be getting absolutely killed over this and i haven't seen much to do about it yeah that's it's baffling i'm not really sure because it was like it wasn't like a bang bang play and and maybe the call in the field stands whatever whatever like this was clearly he was safe and the way like the guardians have kind of scored runs even in the comeback there uh like they have been able to string together hits and you can string together hits against nestor like you like at least at least you know start chipping away it's it's it's crazy to me that didn't happen so yeah i i agree with you tito does have a ton of just runway with with people and he deserves it because he's been around he's a very good manager

uh but two kind of decisions that obviously we're looking back on right now and talking about it. Like the clubhouse dynamic with the Bieber and Savali thing, I think there's something to be said about that. Like, Bieber has to go like low key into Tito's office and be like, give me the ball. And then there's a discussion. Maybe he's dealing with something. Who know?

I don't know. Yeah, exactly. We don't know everything. And like, you don't want to be so vocal about it, you know, in the press and stuff of your Bieber. Because look, this guy's your rotation mate. And you have trust in him. And you've gotten there with him.

He didn't have a great year. But, like, you can't be blowing dudes up like. that. So it's, it sucks that we're looking back at a game five and being like, man, like, there was a couple questionable decisions here. Yeah, but on the Yankees side, Nestor shut him down. I mean, their one run came when two out, two fielders ran into each other, a ball dropped and then Nestor had a four, nestor had a four pitch walk after the lengthy delay. And that was it. Those are the, I mean, that four pitch walk after the delay is the only real blemish after because then he gets a fly ball from Jose Ramirez it ends up being a sack fly and

then he gets another fly ball from who's up Oscar was up after him then yeah and and that's it but other then Nestor shut down eight in a rowes I mean he was awesome that uh that basis loaded situation man well first of all like do you guys just need to put like a permanent outfielder in like short left field like just put some cool if they played in against the guardians it would have been like cool if after game two when everyone was saying I was saying, hey, how about we play in? They decided to play in. They didn't put one ball over left fielders head all series.

Yeah. I don't know what's going on there. I feel bad for Hicks. And that whole still. Yeah. But great pitches by Nestor in that situation. Obviously, that's the Guardian's chance to get back in the game. You have, you know, probably your two best hitters going.

Obviously, Ramirez is one of them. But he was just getting in there. They were not getting those hands through, Jakey, boy, like he feels 95, so he dials it up a little bit to Ramirez, so he jams him there. And then I think he cut the one in on Gonzalez. Maybe I'm remembering them backwards. But either way, like, he was just, he was owning the inside part of the plate. And that's what you have to do.

If you're a lefty like him, and that's what he does. But two pitches there, like, if he misses his spot, like just a little bit over the plate, those could be home runs. And Grand Slams, we're talking about a tie game, but he doesn't miss a spot. gets in there and the damage was not done. Bullpen ended up being really strong for the Yankees this series. Loisaga Holmes and Peralta there, A bullpen.

Wandi Peralta, I mean becoming a person of folklore pitched in all five ALDS games, the first person to do that. Got a little help with some rains and some horrible scheduling. But, yeah, the Yankees pitching came to show. they put up a one spot. And if the Yankees' defense or one play even goes differently, I think it's a zero.

In a do-or-die game at the stadium, I think for a four o'clock after a rainout, the stadium got to a good spot crowd-wise. I think, you know, having the lead in that first inning, which brings us back to Stanton in the offense. And Judge following it up in the second inning, Stanton and Judge, the two big boys, three-run homer, which, you know, basically,

I don't want to say ended it because you're, you know, one good swing from Jose Ramirez, and you're right. But, yeah, the Yankees dominated this game in a business-like fashion, and you can't, I mean, you just end up harping. Like, we do in every playoff game, early runs, which ties into the whole Savali and Nestor thing. And then, yeah, the Yankees, I mean, Yankees back against the walls for two games. they had the lead in both games.

They scored in the first inning and they kept the lead the whole time. They were up 3-0 in the second inning after each game. And they held lead the whole time. So that's when they had to, they tapped into it and they deserved credit for that. And we have a stat here when the Guardian slash Indians backs against the wall recently has been pretty ugly.

They have now lost their last 11 elimination games. They got to start playing Jewel. Yeah. Man. From 97 to 2022, every elimination game they've lost, they've never won one. Like the Yankees just won one to get game four,

to get to game five. That's a wild stat. That's not a good stat. No. What'd you guys think of the whole nailer situation? I was fun. I mean, that's like to me, I don't even,

I'm sure some Yankee fans were doing it with a lot of like venom and being assholes about it. But to me that that stuff is fun. That is that's like it to me it felt especially with his comments afterward felt more Jesse Winker in the Mets than like hatred. And in Glaber doing it back after the wind, whatever. I mean, that's all fun. I loved it. Yeah. Go ahead, Jake.

I mean, well, it's it's what we talk about whenever this comes up. Trevor, you say do it. If you do it, make sure you keep doing it. Or if you don't do it, don't do it. Naylor had done this a few times. Like, if it was his first time and he busted out against Garrett Cole, and we were all like, whoa, what's up guy? But no, Nailer's been crazy all year.

He's busted this out. And yeah, you know, he knew what was coming when he hit a line drive to short, which again, if perfect positioning there by the Yankees infield, you know, he put on that big texture count. smile and knew what he was about to get. So, yeah, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's where the fun is supposed to kick in with sports and the Yankees, wags are doing it. And, um, yeah, I mean, it's, uh, it's, it's not even egg on your face for nailer

because it's, it's, it's not like he had a quote that was like, we already won this series. He's like, no, I hit a homer off call. He's my, he's my son. He's my son. He's my son. And that's how I operate now. Uh, and I mean, I, I, I got to send it to Trev. I, send it to a couple of,

couple people this morning, but the clip of Garrett Cole with the Budweiser bottle. I saw that. Oh my God. Yeah. I want to touch briefly on the Naylor thing. Then I do want to talk about the celebration. It was going to be a great outcome either way. Like if Nailer takes that game over and hits like a bomb and like they win the game, then he is going to be baby rocking all over the stadium in front of everyone. And we're going to be like, damn, that dude is living right now. But ends up Yankees win, Glaber, and clearly they had talked about this.

And this was something in the clubhouse because there was another like Cabrera thing where he was mouth and like, you're my son, possibly. Maybe. And then for Gleber to have the wherewithal to do that,

he obviously thought about it. Oh, yeah. But I loved it. And I loved that Nailer was okay with it afterwards. He said that was a dream come true for me to play in like a situation like that. So you have to be.

Yeah. Nailer seems like the most, unaware, self-aware person ever. The kid seems like he knows he blacks out after big plays, and he just has to eat it. Is he on Pete Alonzo's tear for you? Like that kind of? No, he's like, he's like,

he's like Votto's little brother who grew up with Votto as his, like, confidence. They're like the crazy Canadians. Okay. A little gronk before Gront got, realized he was grong. He's a light switch. You ever hear his interviews?

He's like, the most humble quiet spoken person ever. And I think I think he knows to balance out what he does in between the lines. He's got to be, you know,

all the way here in his interviews. I like it. I really enjoyed Naylor. The Guardians are a pesky team. It's a really tough way. You need J. Ram or Oscar or someone to start hitting home runs for you. You need one bopper in there.

Franma was around to hit homers because, again, the Yankees out homered him and won. And it's hard. string so many hits together unless the Yankees are letting balls drop that shouldn't be dropped. But Kwan is a motherfucker. God, I'm glad I don't got to see him anymore.

Now I just got to see. Do you think they're kicking themselves Houston, excuse me, the Guardian's front office for not maybe thinking this could happen and like going and possibly getting a bat? They pop, the front office popped champagne. So we spent $30 million and just went to this.

to the game five of the yes we got $35 million they made back their payroll with those two games or those those four home games in the postseason probably made them back their payroll if if they knew where they were going to end up i think you'd have a potential better righty platoon option for nailer because he was he was a lot he he was uh you know verse lefties uh this year and in the playoffs. It was a tough matchup for them. And then the other thing in it, not a shot's fire, guy's a kid and he had the sexiest hair I've seen this playoff, Gabriel Arias was playing first base for them.

I think a veteran bat in that spot would have changed the whole lineup. Because credit, hedges and straw, I was talking some junk early on in the series because those two players are out there for defense. They had fine at bats. and they, you know, Hedges ends up having a really nice series. That, yeah, if, if Arias and Nailer had a platoon option,

I think that would have been game changing. But I can't know that. Hedges had a 417 on base percentage. The other numbers aren't there. But when you're batting in the bottom of that lineup, all you're supposed to do is pass the baton. And he ate pitches and passed the baton. So he had a really good series.

He was frustrating as well. John, October could have been great. No, they don't really need him. But maybe like a Mancini or something could have worked out for them. Yeah. They're probably, the front office is probably still very happy with this season. They're happy.

100%. Yeah. And they should be. And the Yankees move on now to face Houston. No off day. Just get on the plane. Do your champagne celebration. Get to Houston.

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A lot. I think, I think Guardians are the huge favorite here, Trev, right? I think so just because of the way the pitching's lining up. I'm trying to piece together everything. There's some,

I guess, decisions on when Cole will go, because you can either pitch on one day short rest and then be able to come back, I think, for game six, or you have them for game three and seven, I think they're going to go three and seven

so yeah I mean because the Astros get to line up the pitching I think there's an advantage there but then again how many days off have the Astros had last played on Saturday the last played on Saturday so Sunday Monday Tuesday maybe the offense comes out flat

dude I mean they didn't really come out that flat they scored right away I believe no they didn't they came out fly against the Mariners yeah Alvarez won at the ninth. Bregman hit a homer. So there's that you can look at in this in this series. Maybe they found a better plan in between on this time when they had time off to get

the offense to, you know, stay on time and whatnot. But I think you probably have to look at, yes, the Astros as the favor in this series. Although, man, what these playoffs have told us is it's kind of about certain guys stepping up, the bottom of the lineup, your guys in front hitting homers, both. these teams can do that. The Astros have been a better team since the second half of the year. You know, the Yankees got off to their incredible start, and then things kind of fall apart. Joe's McFly just showed up in the office, probably hung over some of the worst tweets I've

ever seen last night. The Yankees are going to have to steal one or two games. I'll say something kind of even more Jakey-dushy about the last series. like the Guardians in hindsight, like they took that extra inning game where Tyone came in and the Yankees' defense and the bloop festival happened. And then they got walked off when they put up a guy in a closing situation that's never really been in a true closing situation. So, you know, looking back at it that way, the Yankees, you know, had a chance to really

easily kind of win all five of those games. They ended up in a dog fight with their season on the line because the Guardians got two of them. And the Yankees are going to have to get to, whether it's Presley at the end, who they've had success against. You know, this opening game in Houston, I mean, I use Jake Brain. I like to put logic and the nerds aside when I can. The Yankees are going to be running hot. Like you said, Houston hasn't played in a few days. The Yankees are coming off a plane. The boys partied a little bit last night. They had a good time. And they didn't even have the time to think about, really, we're going to play the big bad wolf.

Like, no, they're showing up in Houston. They're going to the field, and it's going to be time to play ball that, yeah, if you can put a couple up there, if Tyone can give you an effort, you didn't really burn the bullpen in a do-or-die game, like you kind of thought you were going to. If you could steal that first game in Houston,

that would feel all-important, and we're going to seven. Like, I would just let that out there instantly. You know, if we end up talking, on this show in a couple days and we're like, yeah, you know, the Yankees had to come straight from New York. They played in Houston and they got beat in those first two games and you're playing game three at the stadium.

Basically season on the line, right? Down 2-0. I think the Yankees can win that game and come back in the series because they'll pitching will actually be lined up pretty well there. It'll be Cole then-nester for the first two games at the stadium. But down 2-0 to Houston, that's, That's a fool's errand. That's a fool's errand.

Yeah, you said, like, you don't have time to think about going into the wolves den. But you still got to go in the wolves den, bro. You still have freaking Verlander, Framber, and McCuller Jr. lined up. Not to mention probably Javier for four. So, like, there's not like a massive drop-off, too, in this pitching staff.

You're going to get those three guys, top three guys, twice, and you're going to get Javier in between, plus that bullpen. So there's just no letting up here. and then you have to try to, you know, contain that offense, which is no easy task. So this is going to be a very, very difficult series for the Yankees. And in fact, I'm looking at a stat here.

The last three times they face each other, what, 2015 wildcard game? Astros win. 17, LCS, not to talk about that one, but they send them home in 2019 also. Five and two against them this year. So this has been all Astros. Yeah, I mean 17, 7, 17 went game 7 and there was some shit going on

19 still some stuff going on and it went game 6 But the Yankees had no pitching staff and Or they did but 19 was the Homer Altuve off of the game 6 homer But that but that being said Yeah, I know that I know all that shop matters There's two Yankees that were on the 17 team that are on this team, a judge in Severino.

I'm just stating facts. I know, I know, I know. But no, but everyone's going to, everyone's going to do that. And it is, it is part of the storyline. It's just like, because you guys do it about Minnesota, bro. So like, let me throw it at you a little bit. No, it's a big bugaboo. I'm agreeing.

I'm just saying like they didn't, whatever. They didn't clobber them, those games. They were like really tight series. The Astros came away, Victor. And I do think that the Astros are the better team right now. Yankees have no left fielder. That's a tough place to be. Hicks out.

They don't have a left. No, that means that ICAF is your shortstop again. That's what that means. Not today, not in Houston, but I think in the Yankee Stadium, it might. I think Stan played a small left field there. Stan or Carpenter is my guess for games in Houston with Aswaldo at shortstop, which I like.

see that. But at Yankee Stadium, yeah, we'll see when the roster comes out. It might be as Waldo back and left and ICF at shortstop again. You know what, though? ICF is the perfect person to be able to do that. Dude, you guys, like, mentally and like the kind of person he is, he's like, I'll play whenever you need me to play. And he'll really mean it.

And I think that like has to. Sure, but he got bent. He got benched for having the yips and big moments. It might scare you, but it's not going to scare him, is all I'm saying. And more importantly, if he is that guy. But Tripp, he got bench because he gets scared in big moments. Well, he made some, he made some errors. Doesn't mean he's scared.

Well, they say, yeah, he presses. All of his errors come late in close games or when Cole starts. He, we will see what happens. There's a couple wild cards for this Yankee roster. They're going to have Ron Maranaccio coming back. Who's supposed to be a weapon out of their bullpen. Montas. be back.

Oh, DJ LaMayhew may be back. Paraza, the prospect shortstop may be on the roster. So we're very excited to see when the roster drops. We're going to be doing a pregame show on talking Yanks. Come check that out. But, yeah, it's going to, the shortstop left field discussion for the Yankees will continue. It being in Houston in one of the smaller left fields, that is a plus for the Yanks. If this was another spacious, if they were playing in Coors, the Yankees would have some

some serious roster problems and discussions. And yeah, man, I mean, it's, Trave, you've been talking in this whole playoffs about the Bop-P-Bahs playoffs. I'm now excited to see the turn of, you know, Harrison Bader hit three yakers and was one of the scarier dudes on the field. Jimmy mentioned Altovae from the last Astros series.

He put up an Ofer, right? I'm interested to see who stays hot. whose series are going to absolutely flip because, like Jim said, if I had to bet $20 bucks at the DK lounge, I would bet on Altuve having a great series because that's how it often works. So I'm super interested to see the flow. And, like, Wandi Peralta became a problem for the Guardians.

Whenever he came out, he was the bad man. Who are going to be the bad men both ways and who's going to have each other's team licking their chops? and, you know, seven games compared to five feels like a breath of fresh air, but still those storylines are going to continue. And it is funny. You look at the Astros and Al Tuve gets no hits, but no one has not a lot of the Astros players have great stats

because they went 17 in-inch scoreless in the game three, which really hurts a lot of the batting averages. I mean, Yordon's got a one-dot OPS. Bregman had a good series. Yuli had a good series. Pena's number. aren't great, but I know that he did like very, very clutch things for them

by getting on in front of the big the big, um, really good. Alvarez homers. He got on. The, the Bregman Homer that he hit was with two outs and Pena gets on and then they walk Alvarez and then Bregman hits the homer. So that's Pena starting that. So he, pain your bite might be my quon factor.

We're like, I'm not scared that you're going to beat me right now, but I'm scared that you're going to like, you're the invitation. and, you know, like, hey, you're just a heads up. You're about to get beat if you let me on or I get on. So I'm a little worried about pain, yeah. And Altuve needs to get a hit in his first or second at bat. Otherwise, I think, you know, hopefully it starts creeping in,

especially with the Yankees' fourth starter, a guy that didn't even make a start in the, in the DS on the bump in Tyone. This is how I thought the pitching was going to line up in these wild card, after the wild card round in the divisional series. it really didn't end up that way. Like there was enough off days where people could kind of figure out their pitching. But this, what you guys have set up,

the Yankees I'm talking about now, as the starters, I mean, this is probably like the least favorable you could end up having. And I think that's important in this series. I mean, it's you guys have, Nestor and four. And that's only the only time he's going to get the pitch,

and that's he comes in on a short rest in game seven or something. like that in relief like it's kind of daunting the spin zone as janky fans who who understand that we are in the short end is that if you steal one of the tyoans heavy games and you have the lead and you come back and now you have call you know but you got him first of coler june because you know split on the road but then you got a five game series with home field advantage and now you're lined up perfectly for the five game set but you have to win two in in houston and they've only won one playoff game in Houston ever.

Really? I thought there was that one series where each team won all the home games. Well, yeah. So Houston won in Houston. Or no, all the road team. I don't know what I said. That was the World Series against the Nats. Oh, yeah. They had all the road win.

Yeah, you guys went in that one. Not involved. Yeah. What do you guys got? I mean, are we doing that now? What's that? I know who you guys are going to pick. I mean, I'm not going to not pick the Yankees, but I, I, if I was making the Vegas odds, I wouldn't.

What are they? Let's go check that out. Astros are a scary team. They're really good. Their bullpen can scare themselves. And the Yankees have gotten to it. So I like that. But man, they no hit the Yankees.

Their starting pitching is, is really good. Rolander just got rock. So I'm hoping that. Mariners, you know, is anyone on Mariners, friends with any Yankees? Can they go like, hey, this is how we rocked him the two times we rocked them this year and just like, give them a heads up. That'd be cool. Give me game three at the stadium, McCullors Jr. versus Cole.

I mean, that's what I want. That's what I want. Take one in Houston and I think the Yanks can do it. If you don't take one of the first two, that's too big of a hill. They're too good. They're pitching's deeper. You can't do that. You got to get one of the first two in Houston.

And I don't know. Are we going to be spitting excuses in a couple days? I hope not. Well, not an excuse. I don't trust the Yankees' decision-making. So I trust the talent. I really wanted Benny back. I really, I would have felt much better about the series that Ben and Tendi was back.

But the fact that we don't know who's going to play last. field at Yankee Stadium. It's kind of wild. Minus 185 for the Astros on the series, plus 150 for the Yankees. If Judge and Stanton ride this momentum and start hitting some homers, then we really, really got a series here. You guys have watched more Judge Abatz than I have this year. He takes the homer, or not the homer. He takes the off speed pitch, you know, kind of center, right center there. That's where he needs to live. is does that lock him in that quickly?

Because they pretty much handled him in this series, the Guardians. Yeah, he had the Homer. No, I don't think he's locked in now. His hits came on curveballs that I think he was sitting on curveballs. They threw him a lot of curve balls. Judges, judges at his best when he's hitting the slider, the fastball in, and he's reacting and, and, and swinging to those.

So the two hits in game five there were really nice, but they were very, it looked like to me, sitting curve, get a curve, hit the curve, which is great to do when you're slumping to just choose a pitch and,

and hammer it. But Judge is at his best when he is, you know, throw me something inside, slider fastball. I don't give a shit. I'll hit it. And he's going to get sliders and fastballs from Verlander this game.

So Burlander's got really good numbers against Judge. So we'll see. How about this take? Judge and Stanton are my X-Factors. If they get going and they hit homers, you see what three-run homers do. You got a pen-in-homers win-you series. Homers win-you series.

Stanton's a beast, man. He's got 10 homers last like 15 games or something like that. I mean, his overall numbers, I don't know what they are. So you said Stanton, Judge? Mark that down, everybody. Just a really beautiful insight for me there. but it's true dude

if these guys get on a tear they can carry a series one of them can carry a series let alone two of them now we saw homers in game five they're not the Stan's not the most consistent dude

but he can catch fire judge has been consistent but he hit a little lull bad motherfucker dude have you seen what he's been doing Trave I'm like a breakdown on it because I love it so much have you seen what Stan's been doing in the box

yeah watch what do you mean Okay, so he has been getting in the box. The pitcher's ready to hit. He steps in. He gets ready. He goes time, time. Blue says time. And then he says thanks.

Just resets up. It doesn't do anything. Doesn't step out of the box. He just wants the pitcher to be the second one to the at bat, to the pitch, you know? It's my ab bat. My at bat. You have to pitch to me. I'm not waiting for you to pitch, you know.

And then he's homered twice. But it's cracking me up. Time, time doesn't adjust a thing. Just makes the pitcher step off and step back on the plate. It's cracking me up. No offense. It's one of the sillier looking swings in baseball. It is something else, but it works.

This guy's a borderline. He's probably going to hit 500 home runs. You heard it here first. Mark that down. Oh. That's the chance for the Yankees, though. It really is. I'm sorry, dude, these guys have to go on a tear.

I mean, I think that it's more than that. I mean, Judge and Stan can hit homers. They can still lose this series. You need, you need, like, what Pena was doing. Like, you need, Avarez couldn't have won the games for them if they were solo shots. You need Glaber on base. You need one on base. You need three run homers, but these guys are the ones that are going to have to hit them.

I'm taking the Astros in this series. I think they're just, I think they're just too good right now. Listen, I'd be surprised if a lot of third-party fans don't take the Astros. I think they're the favorite. Yeah. I hope the Yankees muster up a win in the first two games and then have some fun at home. 500 Homer potential Hall of Fame, Stanton. All right.

Any last thoughts, Jake? This is good. Would really love to see the shortstop kid Paraza on the roster. I can't believe it until I see it. because that would throw a little wrinkle in this, and we could have a lot of fun young players that could be starting the next part of Houston, New York, on the field.

But, yeah, man, let's see. And, dude, when you look at fan graphs and you look at Houston, and they're starting pitching stats, and their relief pitching stats, they are a better team. The Yankees would have to steal one, if not two games in this series

to give themselves a chance. I hope they do. Because I'm a Yankees fan. You're so fucking biased, too. baby, let's go. All right, thank you guys for listening. We have another video coming out, or if you listen to the podcast app,

just stay right here as we move on to recap game one of the NLCS Padres versus Phillies. Jake, you got to burn for us, my dude. Let's do it. It was wheels up for the Phillies as Zach and the boys took down the Braves Headed out to San Diego, took the five, the 405 down. P.B. or OB, Trev, shut up. Versus, you, Darvish for the Fathers as one of these teams is going to the World Series. Zero's on the board until the fourth, Bryce, Bryce, baby.

Harper, Philadelphia legend, Bryce Harper, goes Apo Taco. looks like he missed it and it left the yard. It's one, nothing fills. And in the six, it's a Schwar bomb. My goodness. 488, wrong, 588. Two nothing Phillies. And it would stay that way.

Zach Wheeler, your fifth king. Maybe we need to talk about him more. Seven innings pitch. One hit. One one. walk eight k's they take him out at 83 pitches oh boy sir anthony domingas and alvarado they get it done on the back end a little scary in the knife phillies take game one two nothing final who baby a lot of manly men in this matchup a lot swarber home run that is a high t homer wheeler dervish

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wins the game I mean I mean Wheeler to the story Harper the story Wheeler's a story Wheeler's a story it starts with Wheeler he um I was streaming

with Kelsey Winger, who was in town. We love ourselves some Kelsey. Paxton, ladies night, me and the gals, enjoying the game. And man, oh, man, you know, Kelsey asked me, Wheeler and Nola, the Phillies, you know, one, two punch. And I said it, I was like,

Nola's one of my favorite pitchers to pitch when he's right. He feels like a little old school, like he's got the four-pitch mix, and he's got some funk, and he, you know, relies on a awesome mix of accuracy, deception. It feels like everything there. Zach Wheeler, man. I mean, he's been doing it for three years now in Philly,

as dominant as it gets. And, you know, sometimes we go and look at FIPP and we're like, what's FIP about? And then we remember the ballpark he pitches in regularly. Citizens Bank is a hitter's part. The defense that's been behind him the last couple years. You know, if Zach Wheeler had been on the Cardinals, the past couple years with their defense.

Like his ERA might have been in the ones. His last couple starts. He pitched to clinch their season. He didn't give up an earn run. The wild card game against St. Louis, 6.1 shutout, and now seven innings, one hit against the Padres. Atlanta, actually the game they lost. But he looked unhittable.

I mean, they only got one. and he is one of the best in baseball. Like it's not a discussion, but he's, we jumped to some sexier pitchers. Even Nola on his staff, the eye candy gets me a little more, but this guy's the guy. It was an incredible start.

I mean, the one hit by Myers, 8Ks, took the decision making out of Toppers' hands. Like, I'm going to go 7. You know you're going to go for the 8th and 9th. And I think there was a little bit of discussion when he first came out because he was at 83 pitches and a lot of people on social media who, you know, like, everyone just chill out

on social media a little bit. Everyone's saying, hey, you can't take this guy out. What are you doing? This is that new school baseball we don't like. But it turns out he was talking about it. The Vila was down. Velo was down. When you see that, it's time to make a move.

So I think it was a smart move. Sir Anthony, my guy, comes in and there's absolutely lights out. and then Alvarado, who what like a turnaround story he's been during the year, gets sent down, figure some things out. I mean, I know this kid. He's got electric stuff. He looks good, has the era there.

And I guess while I'm here, let's talk about that play a little bit. Such a difficult play. And I think the situation was runner on first base. Who was hitting at that time? Who hit that ball? Stott, maybe? I'm going to get it right now. Get it. Get it.

Oh, excuse me. It was a wrong team. Soto. Okay. So you have the shift done. Now your shortstop is kind of playing behind the base at second base. You hit a ball like a slow roller to the third baseman. I think Stott did exactly what he was supposed to do. You get there and you kind of set your feet so you're able to like read the throw. Boehm sees him running to the base and tries to lead him a little bit too.

far and it just gets away from Stant there. A difficult play, but that's a situation where you just got to think about getting one out. Get that lead runner, but I know it's difficult to do that when you're like, this is a game ending double play. Let me go roll this MFR up because Machado's waiting on deck. So a little bit of sense of urgency there, but that got away. They end up getting Machado out. So, you know, it's all about the pitching here. And those two bombs. You want to talk about that Schwerbo bomb?

Because that thing is that was nuts. I thought it was a very interesting tidbit that they said on the Fox broadcast that during Schwerber's BP, he looked really good. And Topper, I forget which analyst was telling the story, but they said, you know, Topper said,

oh, Schwerber feels good. He, Schwerber had the best BP session so far. I'm excited. He looks like he's going to break out. And they asked him, like,

what changed? And then they said, he's healthy. And they were like, Like you never know what someone's battling, but they gave that tidbit early in the game. Like after like Chorber's walk that he had the really good BP session and the Phillies coaches said, well, he feels better now or something along those lines that he was something was nagging him or whatever. They're like, you never know. And then he hits that bomb.

And I'm like, oh shit. Maybe all that's real. Maybe he was, something was getting to him. But I mean, what a homer. And I like Schwerber's quote that he said, uh, he said, I would have taken. a wall scraper. I don't give a fuck. He's one homer.

And you Darvish said he's going to fight him now. And they were like laughing. And I completely forgot you Darvish was a cup. That just like empty in my head. I was like, why are Darvish and Schwabber friends? When did they play together? And I could not figure it out. And then the next sentence in the paragraph was like, old Cubs team is.

I was like, oh my God. I completely forgot that Darvish was a cup. You Darvish has one of the, just his pitching in history, I mean, Texas even feels so far away at this point. He was on the Dodgers against Houston. I remember that. And the Cubs and the Padres. Hey, we should give you Darvish some love because if the Padres put up three early,

we'd say, wow, great pitching performance. He got beat by Harper and Schwerber. Those are the guys that get you. The Harper ball, if it's a center meter higher on the bat, it's probably an out and Pro Far catches it because that was a wall scraper. Schwerber, you could have moved that ball a couple different directions and it still would have been out of that

John. What's up, Philly? Yeah, man, I don't know. I love Darvish, man. But that's where Wheeler deserves a credit. The Philly stars, when you have enough dudes between Castellanos and Real Mudo and Harper and Schwerbo, if two of those dudes click.

Like we just talked, and if you didn't listen to it, Trev, you had the analytics. You dove deep and you were saying about judge and Stanton. Phillies have four or five guys that can have a Stanton judge or any elite player in this league type series. And we'll see how it goes. I mean, and by the way, how about in the ninth? We got rally gooses.

We got two runners on. If you connect with one ball, you steal a game. Didn't happen. It didn't happen. You know, the Schwerber thing had all the elements to him coming back. I always talk about when you're slumping. If you can start to walk, that's a really good sign. So he gets to walk.

Then he hits a cutter for a single. And he, what's the exevalo on that single? Because it was high as well. Must have been 1.11.3. He hit the shit out of that. And then I'm sitting there watching the game last night. Teddy's just got out of the shower. He's like, wants to, he like, wants to stay.

and watch the game. He's supposed to go to bed. I'm like, you know what? Just watch the game a little bit, bro. Yeah. Schwabber connects on that ball, and I audibly screened. I was, holy! That was, you don't see balls hit like that very often. And I said, right away, I said, that's, and Olivia's like,

what happened? I said, dude, he just smoked the ball. I said, that's got to be 120. And I was kind of joking. I was like, no, it's probably like 115 off the bat. And they come back, 119.7, second deck in right field in San Diego. go. And anyone who could

has seen games there, they all said the same thing. You never seen ball go up there. Well, it's the farthest hit or the hardest hit ball in the park's history? I think both. It's the hard. I think it's both, dude.

It's the hardest hit ball that's not Judge or Stanton since they started keeping the stats. And 488 is bullshit. Dude, don't tell me that ball was going to go 488. Just stop. The only balls you see hit that hard are, ball. That was the only moment of pause, I think, with a lot of baseball fans, because he hit it so hard and his bat got through so quick. You were like, oh, well, that's, maybe you just turned on

it too quickly, and you're like, oh, my God, no, that's a part of it. And, dude, how good, when you get genuine player reactions, I know the in-interview dugouts interview has been talked about a lot and still be talked about if people like it or hate it, because you don't really get real answers, and it's kind of like, what are we doing? But, man, seeing the, the players reactions. Some of the bullpen guys, some of the dugger guys, Harper gets a little meme going on because yeah, man. It's a me-may, bro. That's what her. That me-me, John. When Schwabo connects on one like that to see those dudes making those faces and reactions, it's like, yeah, yeah. He can go back in the history of all of his at-bats. And even further on

into his career he's going to play quite a bit longer that's going to be his best swing of his career not the most impactful although it was very impactful but like the best swing you ever have put on the ball that was Kyle Schwabers right there without a doubt in my mind the swing was perfect the pitch was exactly where he needed it to be and he unleashed on that thing have you seen the side angle of it no I actually haven't I haven't seen a lot of check that out it's like a fan video and you see the ball, like the whole way too, which is awesome. It looks like it looks like you took your driver out and just smashed a 330 yarder. Like it was, oh, man.

Well, there was a couple hits here. Harper had one. Bell had one that will be hits next year. And I'm very excited to see what baseball without the shift looks like. or what lengths they go to stop those. Because Bell did have that hard line drive that got caught in the ship, but I thought he looked awful in his last out bat. It's a tough at bat.

Yeah. I know it's a tough at that. He had a chance there, man. I know what's tough at that, but I thought he looked awful. Like I was watching, I was like, oh, my God, who else could have been up? Tough to Judge won't have bat, but his head was here when his bat was in his own. It didn't look like he was in sync at all. Yeah.

Yeah. It looked like a robot that you just like hit a swing button and they just go crazy. And for San Diego, you can draw off that comeback in the ninth. Hey, we were there. We were close. We were one swing away. Our pitchers did their job, you know,

two pitches away, all that stuff. So I don't think San Diego is worrying too much. But the Phillies, man, to go take game one in San Diego. I mean, they're showing themselves to be like,

when we talk about like what wins in the, postseason. You know, you'll hear Arod and Smoltz tell you that it's contact is king, but the numbers say you got to hit homers and then, you know, it's about putting up zeros. Like they are, they've found a recipe, like the bullpen that we thought was going to be a problem. Might not be a problem if your starter's going seven because you can, you can pair it down to three or four guys that you can trust. I feel like they've kind of found that recipe there. Over the long series, we'll see if it can play up like that and continue. but the Phillies kind of have everything you need to be a real,

a real deal threat for a World Series championship. Yeah. On the Padre side, they didn't have much going on. I mean, Nola got into one that they had to run down and then Carper or Castiano said to run it down in the gap. Yeah.

Mani Machado had, Mani Machado and Kim both hit shots to near the track dead center, but barrels. But other than that, I mean, Wheeler was Breezing. And then they go to the bullpen. So I do think Padres will win game two. I don't know why because it's not that I don't trust Nola.

It's more just believing that this is going to be a series and a grind than anything else. Because I do like Nola game two more than I like snail. He had two rough starts against the Phillies this year. But they were early on when he wasn't pitching as well as he's pitching now. I don't know if you could really draw on that. Also broke Harper's hand. So you wonder if he comes up and on him or if he's a little nervous or whatever. That's his buddy.

He broke his hand. Yeah, they seem like they would have such a good time hanging out together. So I hope nothing ever breaks up. Well, Harper said a quote after he got his hand broke that that makes you go like, what the fuck? You professional baseball players live in a different world. He's like me and me and Snell been playing against each other in AAU tournaments and tournament since we were 10 years old.

Stales from Seattle. Harper's from Vegas. They've been playing against each other since they were 10. Like you elite baseball player fucks. That's, I know that's how it goes because I've heard you talk about it too. It's just like, Jesus, so you guys were just the best in the world since you were 10 years old?

And they were. First round picks, magazines, it's like, damn. I was so good when I was young. Holy crap. It's like during the little. League world, during the Little League World series, they showed the, the 12 and under national

team. And it's like, oh my God, the guys were watching on ESPN are dog shit. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Because they showed highlights of the, the U.S. national 12 year old team.

And I'm like, what? That's a completely different level than the Little League World series. I'm getting exposed to this whole thing now with my son. It's, it is a weird whole thing. James Loney's already trying to get me to play travel ball. I'm like, dude. I can't do that right now. I can't bring myself to do it.

But I'm sure I will get there eventually and I'm really going to get to see it from the other side too. I would have driven you so deep to the right center gap, Treve. You wouldn't even go play in any of the tournaments I played and you'd be good to play in them. Okay.

I wouldn't do travel ball until you're in high school because we burnt my little brother out so bad and he kind of lost the friendship of it because you just went from team to team instead of playing with like a core group of friends. That's my, I mean, we're getting off base here. But that's my argument against it right now is I'd rather, like, be in a league and, like, experience.

Familiarity. And then comes with that community and stuff. Yes, we lost complete. It became a drag. You didn't know anyone. You were on a new team every day. Your coaches didn't know your skill set or positions. My advice would be save it for high school.

But that's not part of the recap. Snell, uh, my guy, Trev's Instagram live, God versus Nola. what'll feel like a season on the line type game. If you go back to Philly with, they've got three chances. And if they win two games, they can go to the World Series. You can't really put yourself in that position.

On the other side, I mean, Musgrove, who's been the bad man, he's waiting with Ranger Suarez in Philadelphia. Snell versus Nola, I'm circling Manny Machado, like you guys are talking about. I mean, Soto hasn't really fully been Soto in San Diego. Machado is going to be a top three, top five MVP guy this year.

Big time players make big time plays and big time games. Give me all the Mani Machado stock. Give me a big game from him today. But, man, I know I talked about in the preview how I liked how the Padres, I think on each level I liked everything they did a little bit more. but if Nola and Wheeler can be a little bit better than the Padres one and two, which we already saw last night with Darvish,

and if they can do that again, I mean, they're set up pretty between three home games and those two dudes having to pitch again. Didn't tell if that was A-Rod or you. It would have sounded like you pitching to me in Little League. Okay. Just thought. I think that's it.

That's it. You want to fight in here? The timing of the baseball was confusing. because I thought you were going to keep talking, and then it sounded like it cut you off mid, mid sentence. I was done. And we had a staring contest at each other. I preed before baseball.

Love you guys. Thank you for tuning in. Appreciate you. Jake and I will be streaming. Hearts on the line tonight. We've been fun. Big sucks. Treve'll be on his Instagram live.

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